@Axmedkoole I would rather say it is a strong wind shear at the runway coz if u notice at 0:14 something is flying across and I don't think its from the plane's thrust
Ok all you pilots, pilot wannabes, ATC's , ATC wannabes, and et al..... simply the yearly, autumn Santa Ana winds in Ontario, CAL. This particular UPS DC-8 made 3 attempted landings before giving up and landing at nearby LAX. As I recall, very few flights landed that afternoon due to the winds which were espcially bad that day. While it is rare for Ontario to halt flight traffic due to wind, it does happen from time to time. Carry on fellas........
@rva16 It is a principle that works with smaller airplanes. With bigger birds there are more things to consider, aspecially at a place like this that seems to be at a high elevation and at high temperatures = High density altitude.
Landing mass, taxiways, rolling speed limitations (tyres for instance), wind shear marigin etc all comes in to play.
@shooooota: LOL you should read your bits before you post. Not only can there be no "high density altitude" (thats like high density distance :) ,but also at high altitudes air density / pressure (what you probably meant) is not high, but low. (The air is thin).
@ymrich Well i have no flying job but i have my certificates in hand. There has been a little bit of study until this. Low density-altitude (note that density altitude refers to one thing, and the low and the word density is actually separated) is colder air and lower pressure alltitude (higher density). High density altitude is the oposite.
Get yourself a whizz-wheel/flightcomputer and read the window that says density altitude. Now look what happens to that value when modulating temp/alt
@shooooota you're right about that, sorry for laughing. I know the term, too, - just used to it in my own language, so I misread your comment. Guess it is not you, who should read your comments again, but me... Anyway, you still have a typo there ("aspecially"), what probably contributed to my persuasion that the altitude thing was an error, too.
yes, I am. thanks for sharing my opinion. but I do care about crosswinds. lot of pilots are not aware of the fact that crosswinds is very dangerous and could damage the aircraft
That's incorrect since the flaps will increase the form drag below the wing (since they are extended downwards) it will give a nose down moment due to the extra rotational force around the CG. Also it moves center of lift rearwards wich also will give it a nose-down moment.
flynabil: Care to explain how is that the 'wrong landing'? Full flaps does allow for a more nose low attitude (due to the change in camber of the wing causing the increase in lift and drag), but that doesn't mean that it lands on the nosegear. If the aircraft wasn't capable of landing with full flaps, then they would be pointless to have. Perhaps you could clarify your comment.
@flynabil It doesn't matter since during the roundout you lose excess velocity (of wich you have less of due to the laps) and will therefore increase your angle of attack and ultimately do a mainwheel-first landing.
Good option, when on final to a runway and you experience a sudden wind gust and a possibility of loosing control of the aircraft, GO AROUND is the smartest option. Full power and try again.
No big jet time just yet. I fly in northern Saskatchewan Canada. King Airs and Navajos untill now. I thought you meant Ontario canada. Thanks for the clarification. I've seen 6' snow drifts up here and -50C (thats cold), but never a sand drift. I have landed a Navajo Chieftain in 29kts gusting 39kts almost straight across, on a gravel rwy 50' wide and 3100' long, with 6 on board! Actually twice in the same day. When the winds started to gust to 49kts we shut her down.
If this is real, the pilot flying should go back to flight school. Looks like he tried to put the nose wheel on first. Very bad mistake! Keep the crab angle into the wind, then when you are commited to land, kick the nose straight, and drop the upwind wing to hold the centre-line. The upwind wheel should touch first, then the downwind wheel (both main gear) then the nose wheel last, increasing the ailerons into the wind as your speed slows.
See my post just a few above yours here. The wind had been gusting but was steady at about 20 to 25 for the last few minutes of his approach, then just as he went to rotate it started gusting to about 40 to 50.
The Santa Anna's at ONT are something else. The morning this happened one of the roads to our hangar was closed with a sand drift.
So you fly DC-8's or have time in them. Have you flown out of ONT?
I think you have no idea what you are talking about :)
Just as he went to rotate?
I think it was pilot error theres nothing that can cause the aircraft to hold its nose down forcefully he had too mutch lift and speed so when he went to flare the aircraft went straight back up and he had no choice but to go around
I was flying helicopters out of ONT back when this was taken and was approaching from the north as this guy came in from the west., Crossed the active ahead of this guy, then hovered near where the camera was filming because I thought I might see a show (was not dissapointed).. On go around the captain requested to go to another airport, the tower asked which one, he said something like "I do not care as long as the wind is not blowing there"
No, its Colorado Springs.. I saw this same clip on a Mountain towns documentary that shows why mountain town airports are dangerous to land at in a plane.
Ontario's airport doesnt face the mountains, the runways go east to west, and it looks a bit barren for the LA Metro area. Usually the mountains are a bit lower in California rather than steep like in Colorado.. I may be wrong though. I'll check pictures later.
Cowpoke, I flew out of ONT most everyday for 7 years and was in the camera spot area in a hover when this was filmed. The mountains you are looking at are several miles away above San Bernardino.
But I will help you. Go to google search and put in these words. "ont dc-8 crosswind"
Looks like the plane is landing east at Ontario, and that would be because of the Santa Ana winds. The pilot was ready to go around, and handled it nicely. The gear was up fast.
indeed however i do believe that UPS are retiring their older aircraft for 10 new B747-400F's so it wont be long until the only place we see these would be in goodyear arizona or mojave.
This is indeed real! I lived near the Ontario airport when this occured. The person filming was taking delivery of a race horse, which was on board! The pilot was interviewed on TV..he saved that plane.
venia re pasada de velocidad y si tocaba pista seguia de largo, o sea para mi 2 cosas. una la velocidad venia muy rapido y otra que entro pasado con la pista.
you have no idea how dum that is, trains cant travel at 600 mph, they cant go over oceans without a bridge, or without an expensive dangerous tunnel, they cant carry as much people with only 2 engines, you need planning permition to tunnel under certain places, and it would be far too expensive, plus trains are boring
That was awful. Makes me sick to my stomack just watching it. I have traveled a lot in my time and never before have I been afraid to fly. -Until now! Now a days you can't open a newspaper without reading about an accident containing a plane with hundreds of passengers. Allegedly, it's beeing said that flying is so much safer than driving a car when you count the thousands of thousands of planes flying every day apparently without incidents. It's a lie! I've been counting
Come on now, you know that isn't true. There are soooo many more car fatalities than air travel. Consider all the pro sports teams and their chartered flights.
An example of a very smart pilot there. Some would have tried to keep it down. They could have killed all 3 of them trying that, nice work on the go-around!
too much tailwind?
Magicpianoteacher 3 months ago
yikes
smeltedcheese 9 months ago
Good indication that something is not right about landing?. Nose diving airplane. (245 hrs of flying experience)
Axmedkoole 9 months ago 2
@Axmedkoole I would rather say it is a strong wind shear at the runway coz if u notice at 0:14 something is flying across and I don't think its from the plane's thrust
develish16 4 months ago
Those Santa Anas are no joke.
phillyslasher 1 year ago
It's a crosswind attempt,
but failed.
nuwaus 1 year ago
oh holy shit
mrlokalist 1 year ago
Nice wheelbarrow approach!!!! Good save
xJaMeSxdAxdKx 1 year ago 2
wow such a nimble flyer
alSation81 1 year ago
Ok all you pilots, pilot wannabes, ATC's , ATC wannabes, and et al..... simply the yearly, autumn Santa Ana winds in Ontario, CAL. This particular UPS DC-8 made 3 attempted landings before giving up and landing at nearby LAX. As I recall, very few flights landed that afternoon due to the winds which were espcially bad that day. While it is rare for Ontario to halt flight traffic due to wind, it does happen from time to time. Carry on fellas........
sphmusak 1 year ago 5
windshear... thats it, nose down, cross wind, goes up down right... windshear
GOLTURBO555 2 years ago
flynabil is right.. less flaps on crosswind landing.. if runway length allows it
rva16 2 years ago
@rva16 It is a principle that works with smaller airplanes. With bigger birds there are more things to consider, aspecially at a place like this that seems to be at a high elevation and at high temperatures = High density altitude.
Landing mass, taxiways, rolling speed limitations (tyres for instance), wind shear marigin etc all comes in to play.
shooooota 2 years ago
I know.. I passed the ATPL theory aswell :)
But it is a lot to explain to people who didnt.. so just take the simplest example
rva16 2 years ago
@shooooota: LOL you should read your bits before you post. Not only can there be no "high density altitude" (thats like high density distance :) ,but also at high altitudes air density / pressure (what you probably meant) is not high, but low. (The air is thin).
ymrich 1 year ago
@ymrich Well i have no flying job but i have my certificates in hand. There has been a little bit of study until this. Low density-altitude (note that density altitude refers to one thing, and the low and the word density is actually separated) is colder air and lower pressure alltitude (higher density). High density altitude is the oposite.
Get yourself a whizz-wheel/flightcomputer and read the window that says density altitude. Now look what happens to that value when modulating temp/alt
shooooota 1 year ago
@shooooota you're right about that, sorry for laughing. I know the term, too, - just used to it in my own language, so I misread your comment. Guess it is not you, who should read your comments again, but me... Anyway, you still have a typo there ("aspecially"), what probably contributed to my persuasion that the altitude thing was an error, too.
ymrich 1 year ago
Classic video and imho a good go around manouvre.
It happens everyday several times at any airport.
warminator 2 years ago 2
Wrong landing. First of all, the aircraft uses full flaps. Then it comes nose down. This can damage the aircraft
flynabil 2 years ago
and you are a pilot arent u?...
Am sure you are right, the pilot was just stupid.
Who cares about crosswinds....
Elisacc1 2 years ago
yes, I am. thanks for sharing my opinion. but I do care about crosswinds. lot of pilots are not aware of the fact that crosswinds is very dangerous and could damage the aircraft
flynabil 2 years ago
that's wrong. With more flaps you became more lift and the wind will push more down so the nose pitches up. And NOT DOWN.
Matzuh92 2 years ago
@Matzuh92
That's incorrect since the flaps will increase the form drag below the wing (since they are extended downwards) it will give a nose down moment due to the extra rotational force around the CG. Also it moves center of lift rearwards wich also will give it a nose-down moment.
shooooota 2 years ago
flynabil: Care to explain how is that the 'wrong landing'? Full flaps does allow for a more nose low attitude (due to the change in camber of the wing causing the increase in lift and drag), but that doesn't mean that it lands on the nosegear. If the aircraft wasn't capable of landing with full flaps, then they would be pointless to have. Perhaps you could clarify your comment.
lowanfast 2 years ago
@flynabil It doesn't matter since during the roundout you lose excess velocity (of wich you have less of due to the laps) and will therefore increase your angle of attack and ultimately do a mainwheel-first landing.
shooooota 2 years ago
"going around"
snorkelinatv08 2 years ago
wicked crosswind
Blackdog747 2 years ago
ohhh shit. really i would shit in my pants if i was on that plane and be screaming like a bitch
specolishead1 2 years ago 3
@specolishead1 lol
Thebmwisthebest 2 years ago
Good option, when on final to a runway and you experience a sudden wind gust and a possibility of loosing control of the aircraft, GO AROUND is the smartest option. Full power and try again.
MAMALON526 2 years ago
He came in wrong, you dont come in nose first
SilentEagleF15 2 years ago
Those friggen santa ana winds will get u everytime,,,huh !!!! Ontario...ca....big bear in the background.
gregorytknudson 2 years ago
lets do a do over
phonedrn8 2 years ago
No big jet time just yet. I fly in northern Saskatchewan Canada. King Airs and Navajos untill now. I thought you meant Ontario canada. Thanks for the clarification. I've seen 6' snow drifts up here and -50C (thats cold), but never a sand drift. I have landed a Navajo Chieftain in 29kts gusting 39kts almost straight across, on a gravel rwy 50' wide and 3100' long, with 6 on board! Actually twice in the same day. When the winds started to gust to 49kts we shut her down.
Cathay99 3 years ago
If this is real, the pilot flying should go back to flight school. Looks like he tried to put the nose wheel on first. Very bad mistake! Keep the crab angle into the wind, then when you are commited to land, kick the nose straight, and drop the upwind wing to hold the centre-line. The upwind wheel should touch first, then the downwind wheel (both main gear) then the nose wheel last, increasing the ailerons into the wind as your speed slows.
Cathay99 3 years ago
See my post just a few above yours here. The wind had been gusting but was steady at about 20 to 25 for the last few minutes of his approach, then just as he went to rotate it started gusting to about 40 to 50.
The Santa Anna's at ONT are something else. The morning this happened one of the roads to our hangar was closed with a sand drift.
So you fly DC-8's or have time in them. Have you flown out of ONT?
FortParkerFlying 3 years ago
I think you have no idea what you are talking about :)
Just as he went to rotate?
I think it was pilot error theres nothing that can cause the aircraft to hold its nose down forcefully he had too mutch lift and speed so when he went to flare the aircraft went straight back up and he had no choice but to go around
NTprductions 2 years ago
very nose down aircraft
stfergus608 3 years ago
He wheel barrowed it LOL
xJaMeSxdAxdKx 3 years ago
Where on earth is this airport and what is wrong with that plane? Why didn't it land?
GreekDestination 3 years ago
because the pilot decided to go around.
blueb0g 2 years ago
I was flying helicopters out of ONT back when this was taken and was approaching from the north as this guy came in from the west., Crossed the active ahead of this guy, then hovered near where the camera was filming because I thought I might see a show (was not dissapointed).. On go around the captain requested to go to another airport, the tower asked which one, he said something like "I do not care as long as the wind is not blowing there"
FortParkerFlying 3 years ago
Good pilot
owenowen 3 years ago
thats a very interesting place..hmm,where is this?
WatchOutDuck 3 years ago
Ontario is a large UPS hub.
bigboobtuber 3 years ago
No, its Colorado Springs.. I saw this same clip on a Mountain towns documentary that shows why mountain town airports are dangerous to land at in a plane.
Ubeans2001 3 years ago
Ahh! Thanks for letting me know.
2scilly 3 years ago
im gonna agree with ya it looks like colorado i live there and it sure looks like the mountain skyline in the back.
boddyturbo 3 years ago
It is ONT, I was there when it happened
FortParkerFlying 3 years ago
Ontario's airport doesnt face the mountains, the runways go east to west, and it looks a bit barren for the LA Metro area. Usually the mountains are a bit lower in California rather than steep like in Colorado.. I may be wrong though. I'll check pictures later.
Ubeans2001 3 years ago
Cowpoke, I flew out of ONT most everyday for 7 years and was in the camera spot area in a hover when this was filmed. The mountains you are looking at are several miles away above San Bernardino.
But I will help you. Go to google search and put in these words. "ont dc-8 crosswind"
Now you are free to bite my ass
FortParkerFlying 3 years ago
what's wrong with you? Have some respect towards others. If they are wrong then why not just tell them in a casual way instead of getting mad.
Ubeans2001 2 years ago
Ontario Airport, Santa Ana Winds?
bigboobtuber 3 years ago 2
Yes sir.
ComradeTasker 3 years ago
Looks like the plane is landing east at Ontario, and that would be because of the Santa Ana winds. The pilot was ready to go around, and handled it nicely. The gear was up fast.
offinatrance 3 years ago
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The pilot was from India, name was Captain
Jetbasher.
PistolPete2 3 years ago
ooohhhhh ssshhhhiiiitttttt!!!!
dawndinna 3 years ago
TOGA!
Torchjob 3 years ago 16
The pilot surely need a new pair of underwear after that one. Good save.
pbaker0 4 years ago 27
The pilot surely need a new pair of underwear after that one. Good save.
pbaker0 4 years ago
OMG that is some crazy-ass windshear. Them pilots got skillz!
migrapolis50 4 years ago 4
and...... wat'his this spectacular ah?
kyselov 4 years ago
indeed however i do believe that UPS are retiring their older aircraft for 10 new B747-400F's so it wont be long until the only place we see these would be in goodyear arizona or mojave.
727Hushkits 4 years ago
dear lord
TobiTM1 4 years ago
wow...freaky
Thesir01 4 years ago
This is indeed real! I lived near the Ontario airport when this occured. The person filming was taking delivery of a race horse, which was on board! The pilot was interviewed on TV..he saved that plane.
BUSTLEBUTT 4 years ago
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It is not even real film, but taken from one of those flight simulator games!!!
HermannGoering 4 years ago
Goering? didn't we execute his nazi ass at nuremburg?
JonBellew12 4 years ago
Lmao, I believe so (:
AdamFame 4 years ago
No, he killed himself!
vinzasa 4 years ago
No, he killed himself.
vinzasa 4 years ago
execution, dead w/e he's in hell...
JonBellew12 4 years ago
count the fingers of one hand, and you´ll know how many pilots could do that
principalsuspeito 4 years ago
what, apply full thrust + left rudder + back pressure and abort?
Or just have it filmed?
jayeveringham 4 years ago
Looking from here, it´s easy.
principalsuspeito 4 years ago
his front gear was going to touch the ground first instead of the back 2 wheels
pokekid123 4 years ago
lol i think he was already having second thoughts before the right wing dipped, i dont think he ever intended to touch down.
NikitasGuitars 4 years ago
Wow. The wind was turning it around like a paper airplane!
OMGLysses 4 years ago
Fuck that was close to the ground :)
Jupe959595 4 years ago
Ontario?
micfishevyt 4 years ago
wooohaa!
uteligger66 4 years ago
Santa Anas?
phillyslasher 4 years ago
there must've been one hell of a cross-wind!
hazza2345 4 years ago
cool!!!
melabatchii 4 years ago
lol the lady said it was its second pass.
must have been one hell of a windy day
burningcow422 4 years ago
LOL
JIMAXair 4 years ago
venia re pasada de velocidad y si tocaba pista seguia de largo, o sea para mi 2 cosas. una la velocidad venia muy rapido y otra que entro pasado con la pista.
Bubitas14 4 years ago
Is that Las Vegas ( KLAS) ?
themightyjfox 4 years ago
That is Ontario Airport in so. cal. (KONT)
da40flyer 4 years ago
Bad L crosswind. Good recovery. Most f**kups start with hesitation. The instant you think go around you should do it unless your fuel is really gone.
madisonelectronic 4 years ago
UPS pilots(for the most part) are the cream of the crop and this video proves it
emb120capt 4 years ago 2
along with a glass cockpit and CFMs UPS has some fine old birds flying......
1hijax 4 years ago
Looks like there's trouble in the air, mountain winds whipping around violently, what an outstanding recovery and what an outstanding video shot.
n310ea 4 years ago
Awesome! Was that wind shear? He was going nose down for a bit. Pilot probably sharted.
edyken77 4 years ago
What airport is that?
icecreamman93 5 years ago
Ontario, Ca (KONT).
I love this video because I work at UPS' Ontario hub.
ComradeTasker 4 years ago 2
Great piloting! He caught that just in time. Could have been really ugly
Doromir 5 years ago
Bring back railroads. At least trains don't need super-skilled pilots to keep passengers alive.
steveM999 5 years ago
you have no idea how dum that is, trains cant travel at 600 mph, they cant go over oceans without a bridge, or without an expensive dangerous tunnel, they cant carry as much people with only 2 engines, you need planning permition to tunnel under certain places, and it would be far too expensive, plus trains are boring
Shakemagroovethangg 4 years ago
that`s not a DHL cargo plane... is a UPS plane.
nice video.
mirtala 5 years ago
That was awful. Makes me sick to my stomack just watching it. I have traveled a lot in my time and never before have I been afraid to fly. -Until now! Now a days you can't open a newspaper without reading about an accident containing a plane with hundreds of passengers. Allegedly, it's beeing said that flying is so much safer than driving a car when you count the thousands of thousands of planes flying every day apparently without incidents. It's a lie! I've been counting
Hybie 5 years ago
Come on now, you know that isn't true. There are soooo many more car fatalities than air travel. Consider all the pro sports teams and their chartered flights.
edyken77 4 years ago
That was a great pilot. What a cross-wind. And it came up so suddenly.
volvol1 5 years ago
Good abort, yes, but that should have happened earlier when the wind put his plane nose first and he was unable to continue his flare.
bradtaylor32 5 years ago
lamborgini8, an extremely qualified DC-8 pilot was flying the plane. And planes land in crosswinds all the time, by the way.
MD11Lover 5 years ago
Jeasus! What fool was flying that?
lamborgini8 5 years ago
An example of a very smart pilot there. Some would have tried to keep it down. They could have killed all 3 of them trying that, nice work on the go-around!
willdfw 5 years ago
must of sneezed
84cutlass 5 years ago
uupsi dont wanna fly with crash airways
compert 5 years ago