I'm having a test tomorrow about the antique times, and this may just be the thing to get me an A, this video was very helpful and informal, thanks a lot man!
Dont ever Forget the Greek Marines,everyone talks about Hoplites and their mighty phalanx. Greek Marines and their trirems were the number one danger of the seas those days.
Greek marine quote
" Θαρσείν χρή τάχ'αύριον έσσετ'άμεινον"
"It need courage,maybe tomorrow everything will be better"
Hail to my anchestors Corinthians and their best marine corp of the ancient Greece
King Shapur defeated the Romans - he did not conquer the Roman Empire - No One with any intellegence would deny the power or influence of Persia - I LOVE PERSIA - This is the story fo Salamis and the story of Greece becoming powerful
@OConnor68 you are right.. i am not here to create hate but to be honest we have been falsely portraited in history..this i can say openly.. for you fail to see the iranians nomadic tribal warrior culture always had intern tribal territorial fights..beside that the region exists of four cornerstones and 3 colonies..asia..europa..(africa) egypt etc.. The Iranian history exists far longer then that which is recorded..even so it is a fact that the iranian maintained 3 colonies for 2700 years
@BEYADEHVATAN i tottally agree that history which is taught in european and american schools as far as i know are wrong , just check the dispilio tablet ... the greeks had entered the logograph era while the sumerians well ...didnt had formed yet ...
You guys do not see the whole truth about the history..this is all based on herodotus and western philosophy..
Iranians the first to domesticate the horse..see nisean (chargers) horse...Warhorse described by greeks and chinese as the heavenly horse.. see Cataphract...Iranians the first knights of the world...with gold outfits
the game Assassins Creed based on Alamut ancient iranian assassins.. first assassins called by nietzshe as truly free spirits..The horse culture is an iranian culture
Etrouscians (etruscan) civillization was really close to the Greek one. The fact that the tribes were in close communication with the Greek colonies made the Latin Language relative to the Greek one. Thats why in ou schools we are teaching Ancient Greek and Latin, thats why the Southern Italy called by Italians Grande Grezia and thats why we like Italians more than any people in that world. Even if we dont know their Language we always feel em so close
Persian were a Great Empire thats why Greeks wins are great. Thousends of them are still buried here. Yes we like souvlaki and bouzoukia but we also like our freedom witch cost hudrends dead Greeks and thousends dead enemies.
@ Perazh~ Westerners respect what is written and verifiable, as well as what can be observed, middle easterners play head in the sand with their fucktard muslim religion and fantasized histories in which they never lost anything...
They must be insane.If you look at the causalties both sides had, you will understand why I say this.And don't forget that after the sacrificies Greeks made,they had to wait for a leader to end up that war.A leader like Alexander the Great.Who had a father that united Greeks (Phillip) and a teacher that no other leader had (Aristoteles).Does US has that kind of leaders to invade a nation that has 120 million citizens?If they want to do that,I say it's better to suicide now alone.
@LakedemonP The US is not going to invade Iran anytime soon if ever. The option of a strike is always on the table b/c their nuclear caoabilities. It would probably be carried out by Israel if anything happened - BUT all the new information coming out says that Israel- the US and Iran are going to work out a political solution. The pen is truly mightier than the sword.
@OConnor68 The, "dictator," of iran is an irrational man you don't know that he has nuclear arms and has threatened many people. He is no better than kim jong eel
@LakedemonP Well judging from a third party's point of view, meaning that I'm neither an American nor an Iranian, I think that the U.S. currently do have the capability of launching an invasion to Iran if it find it necessary. The chance that Iran will survive the invasion is unfortunately quite low comparing to its chance of being defeated. This because the U.S. armed forces is much more well equiped, well trained, and well experienced than that of Iran.
@william7476 I hope they won't.The battle is not won by armas.But by men.When you fight for your homeland,even if the invader has more troops tech etc you fight like a lion.The US troops won't have the same will to fight like the Iranian.Remember Vietnam,the Greeks in WW2 and many many other wars.
@LakedemonP Well, if you look into history of the past, you'll find that the most decisive element of victory is not actually one's willingness to sacrifice for war, but fighting technique, including the use of tactical maneuvers, troop deployment, use of advanced weaponry, and other fight technique. And the importance of fighting technique has becoming increasingly important with the development of more advanced technology which also increase the requirement of professionalism among the troops.
@william7476 Yes everything counts on the battlefield.It's not easy to defend a position when you only have a rifle and the other guy is bombing you with F-22.If you have a good stratigic plan,you can defend your position.Don't forget that when an army that is attacking somewhere has casualties,the men of that army start fighting worse and won't follow easilly the comands.Like soccer.When the attacker scores it's the phycology that counts.If you manage to control that,you can win any war.
@LakedemonP Actually F-22 is designed to safe guard air passage (the role of fighter plane) rather than play the role of a attacking plane or a bomber. If an army refuse to follow command simply because the sustain of casualties then such army is more of a mob rather than professional military force. Of course morale is important, but such morale will not be shaken simply because of the death of a few thousands. And beside, who would suffer more casualties in the war, the U.S. or Iran?
@william7476 Of course Iran would have more casualties.The difference is that Iran must defend to survive.On the other hand the motive for US soldiers will change in time.Look I don't like war.Greeks had so many wars in the past that now we hate them.Ofcourse if we have to we will do it.But when you see that everything is for the money and petrol and thousands of humans ends dead,you get angry.And the Iranian will turn very angry.The war nowadays can be inside cities.That would be really bad.
@william7476 Your very wrong Will. The US has advanced weaponry, skilled fighting techniques and tatctical maneuvers but they haven't won any wars since World War 2. They couldnt even beat the viet cong.. not to mention a bunch of modern day persians with rusty Ak's and scandals. USA cant win wars for shit anymore. Its all about willingness to fight mate.
@Fatalerror300 All you remember is Vietnamn War after WW II? God, you really need history lessons, up until now. How do you explain Gulf War, Afgan War, Iraq War? It's all about one's willingness to fight? What the Japanese Empire during WW II? Do you know how courageously stupid they were? You can judge the Japanese troops during WW II in whatever way you like it, but what is for certain is that their willingness to fight is second to none.
@Fatalerror300 As for Vietnamn. Don't use the words "couldn't even" when describing American's lost in Vietnamn. The Vietnamnese were not a bunch monkeys who just jump down on their enemies. They were aided by the Soviet in weaponry and China in supplies. They developed vadvanced tactics very well adepted to their environment. It's not just the willingness to fight. It all comes down to fighting techniques in the end. Again, don't look down on the Vietnamnese, you gotta alot to learn from them.
Well,the biggest naval battle in history.The 3nd time that the Athenians with their allies won the Persians.Because of that Persians had to withdraw their navy and their troops stuck in Greece and went to Thesally for the winter.So the Spartans had to face them to prove that they are better in combat.That happened to Plataiea.The Greek-Persian war began many years before and ended with Alexander the Great.That war lasted for 230 years.And now I hear that US wants to declare war to Iran (Persia)
@perazh, Greece was not occupied by Persia after the battle of Salamis. A year after Salamis the remains of the Persian army were defeated at the battle of Plataea and then again at the battle of Mykale were the rest of persia fleet sunk. In the return the Greeks freed Cyprus from Persian occupation. That was 2 years after Salamis. There were some more battles which were won by the Greeks that finally lead to the Persian/Greek treaty of peace of Callias in 448BC.
@perazh, Greece was not occupied by Persia after the battle of Salamis. A year after Salamis the remains of the Persian army were defeated at the battle of Plataea and then again at the battle of Mykale were the rest of persia fleet sunk. In the return the Greeks freed Cyprus from Persian occupation. That was 2 years after Salamis. There were some more battles which were won by the Greeks that finally lead to the Persian/Greek treaty of peace of Callias in 448BC.
How funny Westerns like to twist the history in their side. It is well documented Persians by the leadership of Artemisia the first and only Naval commander won this battle and occupied Greece ..
@perazh leadership by Artemisia :) :) :) :) :) :) Artemisia my friend was Greek from Asia Minor. All Greeks from Asia Minor were occupied by Meds (Persia its not the right name for the Empire ...see Herodotus) and they had to fight against brothers Greeks because theirs familys and properties are back in Asia Minor unders Meds-Persian mercy. Even Persians were unders Meds political control.
Only an amount of the Soldiers were Medes but not the commanders. The units the Persians used were mostly from Persia itself, Media and Elam. But the Immortals were mostly Persians. And it's called Persian Empire. The Official language of the Empire was Old Persian, the tradition and culture was Persian.
@samioa Xerxes wife was Med and the prime minister of Persia was Med. Also the Best source about the Greek_"Persians" war, Herodotos call the war HellenicMeds war and not Hellenic(Greek)Persian war. Some times history get handled by politics. Like Byzantium or Eastern Roman Empire. Some who likes romans better calling the Empire Roman, some calling Byzantium. Maybe I am hearing like Alien, but history after 1948 is more politics than pure science.
The commanders of the greco-persian wars was Artaphernes, Datis Artaphernes (son of Artaphernes) Xerxes I Mardonius, Hydarnes, Artabazus, Megabyzus all of those were Persian. However Datis might be a Mede. The Persian empire which the Persians themselves called Achaemenid Empire was named after the first Persian king ''Achamenes''. That's why it's called the Persian empire. The official language of the Empire was Persian and anything else.
@samioa In ancient Greek writes it called Median wars because Ionian Greeks had Medo occupation before the Persian one. So in ancient greek scipts you ll find more times Medians than Persian. CUz the 1st one were more known to Ionia (Minor Asias aegean coasts). Its like nowdays we say England insteed of UK ,even if England is just a part of UK.
It was not called Median wars... Haven't you read my replies? Even Herodotus himself called it Persian wars, According to Herodotus, Xenophon, Wikipedia and books it's called Greco-Persian Wars, I don't know where you have gotten your informaion.
Wikipedia is written by experts, and it's not lies, else it would be filled with full of bullshit like for example: ''the sun is pink and it's very cold'', And I also mentioned books not only Wikipedia, I guess all books calls it Greco-Persian Wars, here's a few of these books: The Greek and Persian Wars 500-323 B.C, The Greeks at war: from Athens to Alexander, The histories Herodotus and so on.. Just try it yourself, go to google(dot)books(dot).com
1st Wikipedia is just a site where anyone can write . That includes liers ,provocators and ofc some true facts. I suggest you (and to all) to buy books. Cuz you can always know the Writer. There is nothing more true than the Scripts of Herodotus in ancient Greek.
2nd We are right both. Herodotus (Ηροδότου Ιστορίαι) book is known in the ancient world as "Τα μηδικά" witch means The Happenings (wars) with the Medians. BUT in the Book when the talk about the Medians
@SpnOptimus2011 He says tha Medians are just a Part of the Persian Empire that Attack Greeks. So nowdays we say Greco-Persian wars (witch is right) but those days they were saying Median Wars cuz it started with Ionian Rebellion at the part of the Persian Empire that Medians were 1st enslave the Ionian Greek Cities. Ofc its fault to say "Median Wars" !!! Even if they were 1st class citizens at the Persian Empire. The right one is "Greko-Persian" Wars.
@SpnOptimus2011 BUT Greko is a name tha Turks gave to us when they conquer Greece.IT means Slave! or something. The right one is Hellenes. So the wikipedia experts must re-write again the wars must call Hellenic-Persian Wars. Cuz Greeks or Greece is blasphemy. As you can see...the Slavs now called from all world Macedonians. And we cant change our name from Greece to Hellas YEARS NOW!
They change FYROM to Macedonia in 1 month to all maps! And we still called Greeks! Strange huh?
@SpnOptimus2011 English adaptation of Greek is derived from Latin Graecus, which in turn originates from Greek Γραικός (Graikos),name of a Boeotian tribe that migrated to Italy in the 8th century BC, it is by that name the Hellenes were known in the West. Homer,reciting the Boeotian forces in the Iliad's Catalogue of Ships, provides the first known reference to a Boeotian city named Graea,Graeans coming into contact with Romans responsible for naming all Hellenic speaking tribes Graeci.
@AlexandrostheGreat1 What you said is almost right. Almost...Graeci was first said by the Etrouscians and Latins at the 8th century BC . Graeci mean Cheater,Trickster... Aristotelis was wrote about this at Meteorologika. Graia was a place Near Tanagra at 770 BC they set a colony at Neapolis (Napoli nowday) , with Chalkida and Kimi. So Greculus at the Roman Empire was the un-honored man. In Slavic language Grech means con and sin. Nowdays all the West call us Greece and the Asian call us Unan.
@SpnOptimus2011 So Through the Centuries Greek means Cheater, Un-Honored man etc etc. Why Etroscians called us like that? Simple the Colony at Neapolis to survive in this hostile territory made the native tribes fight each other by spread out lies. So while the Colony was setting up.,The Etrouscians had a civil war. When they found out what happend it was too late...
By the Asians we are known us Junan (unan) because the most famous Greeks for them( Turkey,Israel, Arabia) were the Iones(Jiones)
The Greeks used Carthaginian mercenaries against Romans does that mean it is Carthago-Roman wars? No, It's Greco-Roman wars. So the PERSIANS used MEDIAN soldiers, but that doesn't make it Medo-Greek wars its Greeco-Persian wars. And Selecuids used Persian mercenary archers against Egypt does that make it Perso-egyptian wars? No.
@samioa 3rd to 2nd centure Greece had no money for mercenaries, and Greeks never fought in ancient time with mercenaries or slaves. Only with Greek citizens Greeks by blood. The time when Romans came to Greece, Greeks were allready out of money and soldiers because of thousands stupid wars between Greek cities. But my point is that some high rank Meds, make Xerxis to do that with out reason war. Later 150 years, All persians noble loved Alexanders, except Meds, special then who run Babylon
@tektamos In the 3rd century BC Greece was the richest empire in the world, because before Alexander burnt down Persepolis he took all it's treasure, more than a thousand ton of Gold, on his Later campaign he used Persian Archers, Kardakes were spearmen which were mostly Medes that's all, Sparabara were high armoured spearmen they were Persian, Immortals were the top infantry of the PErsian empire they were Persian, Median or Elamite, So you cant say it's Medo-Persian Wars.
@samioa 323 Greece was rich, but 230 Grece was a mess, devited in cities and stupid wars between kingdoms Alexanders left to his Generals and ..etc. I dont say enything by my mind. Herodotos say so. He probably kwew someting that we cant see today. I know that Xerxis had a multiculture army. But why a wise Emperor decide to do that war ?
Actually the Greeks started the Greco-Persian wars, it began with the Ionian Revolt in 500 bc, the Greeks were defeated in that battle, then Darius sent a huge fleet to invade Greece as a punishment for the Ionian invasion, and the Persians were defeated at that battle, which is knows as The battle of marathon, then the war got bigger and bigger Darius died, Xerxes then wanted to avenge him and that's why Xerxes attacked Greece
@samioa A war cant start with a Revolutions. If Greeks had to revolt against Persian Emperor, means that him first try to take Greek Asia Minor and the Cities for his own interest. So a revolution can never been the cause of the war. The cause is the first movement from before 5th Centure against the Greek cities in Asia Minor or Ionia, whatever you prefer
@samioa Dont worry, me either sometimes. I mean a revolution is not the start. If Greek cities in Asia Minor (Ionia) had to revolt agianst Persians, means that Persians attacked first before the revolution
@samioa Lydians were not Greeks, but what has to do with Ionian Cities ? Greeks were in Ionia for thusands of years without attack to any on on the east. The cities were very rich and I have never read in any ancient writter about Greek invasion to east before Persia attack to Asia Minor (Ionian cities)
@samioa Greeks were rich enough. Didnt need money. Every Athenian had average enough money to buy a new F-16 (with nowdays money) thats a Harvard recearch. But still Persian Empire( the Empire NOT the people) were more times richer than Greece. Ofc the Persian Gold made the Greeks superpower for years. Alexander dream was to unite the 2 cultures and ofc he did that to army too.By used persian and greek infantry. Image what kind of army would he build if he didnt die by using Chariots+ elephants
Thats what Greeks wrote. They always used to write these nonsenses after their defeats.
But as the great Archaeologist of London Museum said: For Persians Greece has always been a bunch of villages with low population and low interest. Persians had all they waned Babylon, Egypt, Syria ,,,
Greeks has always tried to portrait themselves as above others and this was followed by their European dependents.
Greece was just a gate for Mideast advances to uncivilized European..
@perazh At that time greece was not a bunch of villages. However when you get an expert and look up the seas of around salamis the persians fell right into a trap even the seas show that! plus if the persians had beaten the greek navy there army would of fell. The greeks had fled to salamis plus the greek trireme was the best warship of the day at that time Dont get me wrong however when i think of persia i think of art wealth.
@perazh Dont get me wrong however when i think of persia i think of art wealth. However i am studying history and and i know a few historians and Archaeologist and they even tell me it was a greek victory it. Like i said it would not have made sense salamis would have then been occupied and that did not happen soon they had a treaty Peace of Callias
If Persians had lost this war howcome they soon after this concurred Athena?
There is no doubt Greeks were writing biased history for themselves and this gets much clear as they used to call all others except themselves uncivilized and barbar while Persia had invented civilization when their ancestors were living on the trees and in that time they were in fact far behind the Persian technology
@perazh You have know idea what you on about. the greeks left Athens to salamis and you wrong again the greeks were not barbar there is no such thing. At that time they invented Democrocy and it a fact the Trireme was the best warship of the day. and as of technology Mongolian empire was just a group of normads yet they took over most of the world at that time includeing ones that had technology. not everything that is writen is biased at all
@viperreturns Also the ancient greeks had better military than the persians Phalanx The Greeks in Sicily developed the first advanced catapults. The Phalanx and the Trireme ship were important for Athens to be victorious against a much larger Persian Army, but military technology was developed less by Athenians but by other Greek groups. The Phalanx is considered a Spartan invention. Sparta transformed into a militaristic society. And it was used by Alexander the great till Rome came along
You think that by throwing this unhistorical question out of your head you can change history? The greek civilisation was superior, so whats your problem now? no one called you barbar...
@perazh First, we don´t need to twist history. History is already in our side. Secondly, Artemisium was a tactical stalemate but a greek strategic victory. Salamis was a decisive greek victory. Platea was a decisive greek victory. Mycale was a decisive greek victory. Thermopylae was a persian victory but the greek fought much better and killed a lot of persians, and won time for the greek navy to prepare. And then your weak empire was conquered by Alexander. Good times...
@perazh Since when did Greece, become part of the Western Hemisphere? Haha. Anyway, Persians lost this battle, lost it badly actually. This is why the main body of the Persian army, never saw main land Greece again. Show me one document, or shred of proof, that says they did.
@PlainOldKris since when greece became part of western hemisphere u ask?since we established the western civilisation(even middle east tried to adopt our civilisation and eventuall ythe rest of the world tried to do that art,science,democrasy i can keep going forever)and we at 1832 were the first to talk about our idea to establish a west part of countries starting in europe when we freed by turks after fighting them for 10 straight years and since after ww2 we were busting the balls of.....
@perazh Artemisia may have been a slight tactical Persian victory, but whatever sort of "victroy" the Persian navy could have claimed in the aftermath came at a very high price and was among the many setbacks Xerxes invasion force became plauged with.
@perazh Greece is still the same country as it was then, meaning it is easier for them to document the war, whereas persia is no where to be found, just countries who once were all joined to form a magnificent army, you can only think of the alteration the persians could of done to their documents when thy split up into different factions.
@Booyaka009 Actually, the reason that there is little documentation in Persia is the frequent conquest of the nation by 'barbaric' peoples, e.g. the Mongols, Arabs, etc. and they burned a lot of books and stuff like that. Greece was lucky, it had Romans and Ottomans who were more civil to the conquered.
And on a side note, Persia is still the nation it was back then, Persia was just named after the Parsae, and later called Iran by the Sassanid dynasty in an effort of unity, more or less.
@perazh lolz i like how all humans try to twist history in anyside , its well documented that marsians came to help persians , cause the only one that was in the sea byt that time from the side of the greeks was posidon ...
and its also well documented that e.t. didnt , made it to "home" ... get over it
@perazh and you think you are an easterner or anything? do you know what the persian roots are? like greeks and all westerners indo-european. that's right dude. as long as 1500 B.C. they spoke similar languages.
@perazh HAHAHA, a butthurt persian!! Tell me what´s your source, a persian propagandistic pamphlet?? We all know the greeks won this one. If Greece was conquered by Persia then how could Alexander destroy the persians a century later???
the spartans and the korintians wanted to go to pelloponisos and defend there, because they didn't care about athenians. According to Plato the Persian ships where about 3.450 and the Greek where 727. The big Persian ships crashed on each other and the Greeks where ramming on each other. Salamina was a very small place for the Persian navy to fight.
u should have said more about the argument of greek generals in salamis. Alciviades(spartan general and as we know spartansdidnt know much about naval battles) was put in charge of greeks, Themistocles didnt agree with his plan and alciviades slapped him cause he showed dissrepect towards him. Then themistocles dropped a famous quote still used by many greeks he said: "Hit me(again), but at least hear me"
@dimalex8 Wasn't his name Eurybiades? Anyway - It is a great story. I wish I could find some video footage to add it in. I do have a small clip of two guys arguing on a boat. Maybe I could add it in ... I have to check - Thank you
@dimalex8 Its was not Alciviades, Alciviades was Athenian General and borned 30 years after the Greek - Persian wars. The Man you looking for and Spartan was Evriviades who disagree with Themistocles about the place and the time of the final naval battle with Persians. About the hit me and listence to me you are right.
Well maybe the greatest naval battle; it was terrific really. I suppose you cant compare a naval battle to a land battle. But I still stand for - it wasn't the greatest victory. Hmm i have to write an essay on these battles from 480 - 479BC and whether Athens or Sparta had greater contribution to the 5 battles.
Thats silly! All was good except when it ended saying it was the "greatest victory in the history of Greece". Which is not true at all. There were many victories in the history of greece that were equally astonoshing. The battle of Marathon for example and what about the battle of Mycale or Platae?
@Pashabbulker - really? Marathon was big event, but not even close to the same scale of Salamis - just think of the numbers involved and Plataea and Mycale would never have happened if were not for Salamis. Salamis is the pivital point.
This was an awesome video and saved me a lot of time from reading about it for Greek class. It also made me feel for the men in battle and made me realize how intellegent the Greeks or Themistocles was for traping them in the strait without wasting their own energy. The song just made it all the more better. It added that feeling of comradery and watching out for the man standing next to you and never leaving your comrades in the ranks.
No doubt the Persians were civilzed and there were many centers of civiliztions. But having said that I would still argue that the acient Greek (Hellenic) civilization was exeptional one. It defined and developed ideas that nowhere else were visible and pronounced. I mean probably the most important notion that there is some basic order in the Universe and Nature and that it can be fathomed by the mind (phytagoreans). The tool to do this is mathematics, logics and philosophy.
The fact Macedonians were participating to the OLYMPIC games where ONLY HELLENES(Greeks) were allowed to do so speaks from itself..PLEASE provide us ANYTHING regarding Macedonia not written in Greek language..JUST ANYTHING...and please let us know what was the religion in Macedonia..
I agree the song was awesome... it added that extra feeling in there, just listening to the words made me feel for the men... then it made me feel sorry for them because they had so much responsibility on their shoulders to protect their country
for questions of culturs and civilizations etc , I am agree but there were othere too ! same as iranians, indians and chinies and egyptians etc . science and arte has developped by all nations ,so why you are trying to say it is only you or vesterns that did it or do it ?
these days iran has problems with religions and fanatysmes ! unless it was again powerful ! persian empire was not only millitary empire it was empire of arts and cultures and music and medicine and engineering too !
It is true that Presians(Iranians) had many big victories and only 2 times thay lost ! Iranian nation was Empire during almost 1400 years , but greeks never became an empire and thay faught all the time between them ! even alexander the great was not greek ! and his glory took 10 years , not more ! and selukid or selucid empire has destroied almost after 60 years by Iranians( Parths or Khorasanis and tajik today) and by romains too ! so forget
they may have not been empire but are one of the greatest cultures ever. modern western civilizations have been based around them. with their logics, maths and inventions and Athenians democracy. etc
salamis great victory for greece saved hellenism and freedom. should not say saved the west from slavery they were still barbarians and remained barbarians for centuries to come. internal in fighting destroyed greece romans conquored them greek cultured conqoured the romans with her culture. then the new religon came christianity barbarians destroyed ancient greece and caused the dark ages. then they took hellenic symbols hellenic ideoligies mixed them up with jewish ones and destroyed mankind.
The intro made me smile. "Some of the Movies are from roman times". LOL. Anyway, great video. And the Soldiery wernt all free men, the galley slaves and peltasts were still slaves, but they fought for their masters.
Peltasts were not slaves,but every Greek fighter went to battle with one or two of his servants who were responsible for weapon maintenance,cooking,etc.
The servants were also baring some weapons mostly bows and arrows which Greeks considered them dishonored because they weren't close contact weapons!
Eh. I'd read that most of the rowers (at least in Roman times, but I think in Athens at least, if not most of Greece, as well) were mostly free men. They were the lowest and poorest, who couldn't afford infantry weapons, but free.
Forgive me if I am wrong but the music might be an odd choice for some but the words "citizen soldiers" reflect a meaning that might not be obvious.Some historians believe these battles such as Salamis and their outcome rest purely on the shoulders of the armies and in this case the oarsmen and NOT the Great men of the time such as Theostocles.Both have their place in my view.
The film misses to express the very meaning of the outcome of the battle: The paradigm of the western world could go on to live, the eastern tyranny was beaten. Without Salamis, our modern culture is not thinkable.
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atthewburns1229m 2 weeks ago
Your video went viral on Doha
danielbarret1025 3 weeks ago
@danielbarret1025 I had not looked at this clip for some time - that is quite a few hits.
OConnor68 3 weeks ago
What's the song at 4:59 ?
xbarendax 2 months ago
@xbarendax Citizen Soldier
OConnor68 2 months ago
I'm having a test tomorrow about the antique times, and this may just be the thing to get me an A, this video was very helpful and informal, thanks a lot man!
leddiddeSWE 3 months ago
They are rowing backwards lol
etstop1 3 months ago
490 BC Marathon - 30.000 Persians vs 11.000 Greeks
480 BC Thermopylae - 250.000 Persians vs 7.000 Greeks
479 BC Platea - 120.000 Persians vs 40.000 Greeks
when you fight for your freedom sometimes numbers don't matter
dimstiv 8 months ago 2
@dimstiv yea, look at the Revolutionary War, The British Empire defeated by American Citizens.
Bubba18gump 4 months ago
song name?
25tyburr 8 months ago
@25tyburr Last of Mohigans soundtrack and "Citizen Soldier"
OConnor68 8 months ago
Dont ever Forget the Greek Marines,everyone talks about Hoplites and their mighty phalanx. Greek Marines and their trirems were the number one danger of the seas those days.
Greek marine quote
" Θαρσείν χρή τάχ'αύριον έσσετ'άμεινον"
"It need courage,maybe tomorrow everything will be better"
Hail to my anchestors Corinthians and their best marine corp of the ancient Greece
SpnOptimus2011 9 months ago
How has this not won an award yet? It's all politics...
Alecn17 11 months ago
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Alecn17 11 months ago
Interesting information in this, but the way it is put together is weird. The rock track comes out of nowhere!
fasteddyuk 11 months ago
@BEYADEHVATAN
King Shapur defeated the Romans - he did not conquer the Roman Empire - No One with any intellegence would deny the power or influence of Persia - I LOVE PERSIA - This is the story fo Salamis and the story of Greece becoming powerful
OConnor68 1 year ago
@OConnor68 you are right.. i am not here to create hate but to be honest we have been falsely portraited in history..this i can say openly.. for you fail to see the iranians nomadic tribal warrior culture always had intern tribal territorial fights..beside that the region exists of four cornerstones and 3 colonies..asia..europa..(africa) egypt etc.. The Iranian history exists far longer then that which is recorded..even so it is a fact that the iranian maintained 3 colonies for 2700 years
BEYADEHVATAN 11 months ago
@BEYADEHVATAN Well said - I completely agree with everything you said. The fact that they had colonies in three continents is phenomenal!
OConnor68 11 months ago
@BEYADEHVATAN i tottally agree that history which is taught in european and american schools as far as i know are wrong , just check the dispilio tablet ... the greeks had entered the logograph era while the sumerians well ...didnt had formed yet ...
gloup81 8 months ago
You guys do not see the whole truth about the history..this is all based on herodotus and western philosophy..
Iranians the first to domesticate the horse..see nisean (chargers) horse...Warhorse described by greeks and chinese as the heavenly horse.. see Cataphract...Iranians the first knights of the world...with gold outfits
the game Assassins Creed based on Alamut ancient iranian assassins.. first assassins called by nietzshe as truly free spirits..The horse culture is an iranian culture
BEYADEHVATAN 1 year ago
For the Record
Etrouscians (etruscan) civillization was really close to the Greek one. The fact that the tribes were in close communication with the Greek colonies made the Latin Language relative to the Greek one. Thats why in ou schools we are teaching Ancient Greek and Latin, thats why the Southern Italy called by Italians Grande Grezia and thats why we like Italians more than any people in that world. Even if we dont know their Language we always feel em so close
SpnOptimus2011 1 year ago
Persian were a Great Empire thats why Greeks wins are great. Thousends of them are still buried here. Yes we like souvlaki and bouzoukia but we also like our freedom witch cost hudrends dead Greeks and thousends dead enemies.
SpnOptimus2011 1 year ago
@ Perazh~ Westerners respect what is written and verifiable, as well as what can be observed, middle easterners play head in the sand with their fucktard muslim religion and fantasized histories in which they never lost anything...
ChrissyMontagne 1 year ago 2
watch?v=wA9qaSI0MdQ&feature=related
This is real not that propaganda
perazh 1 year ago
@perazh And that is full of propaganda!!!
viperreturns 1 year ago
They must be insane.If you look at the causalties both sides had, you will understand why I say this.And don't forget that after the sacrificies Greeks made,they had to wait for a leader to end up that war.A leader like Alexander the Great.Who had a father that united Greeks (Phillip) and a teacher that no other leader had (Aristoteles).Does US has that kind of leaders to invade a nation that has 120 million citizens?If they want to do that,I say it's better to suicide now alone.
LakedemonP 1 year ago 7
@LakedemonP The US is not going to invade Iran anytime soon if ever. The option of a strike is always on the table b/c their nuclear caoabilities. It would probably be carried out by Israel if anything happened - BUT all the new information coming out says that Israel- the US and Iran are going to work out a political solution. The pen is truly mightier than the sword.
OConnor68 1 year ago
@OConnor68 not if its pointed at your neck... a pen can be a little frightening , but a sword will make you be scared for your life >_>
PilaAssassina 6 months ago
@OConnor68 The, "dictator," of iran is an irrational man you don't know that he has nuclear arms and has threatened many people. He is no better than kim jong eel
noodleboy12369 4 months ago
@LakedemonP Well judging from a third party's point of view, meaning that I'm neither an American nor an Iranian, I think that the U.S. currently do have the capability of launching an invasion to Iran if it find it necessary. The chance that Iran will survive the invasion is unfortunately quite low comparing to its chance of being defeated. This because the U.S. armed forces is much more well equiped, well trained, and well experienced than that of Iran.
william7476 3 months ago
@william7476 I hope they won't.The battle is not won by armas.But by men.When you fight for your homeland,even if the invader has more troops tech etc you fight like a lion.The US troops won't have the same will to fight like the Iranian.Remember Vietnam,the Greeks in WW2 and many many other wars.
LakedemonP 3 months ago
@LakedemonP Well, if you look into history of the past, you'll find that the most decisive element of victory is not actually one's willingness to sacrifice for war, but fighting technique, including the use of tactical maneuvers, troop deployment, use of advanced weaponry, and other fight technique. And the importance of fighting technique has becoming increasingly important with the development of more advanced technology which also increase the requirement of professionalism among the troops.
william7476 3 months ago
@william7476 Yes everything counts on the battlefield.It's not easy to defend a position when you only have a rifle and the other guy is bombing you with F-22.If you have a good stratigic plan,you can defend your position.Don't forget that when an army that is attacking somewhere has casualties,the men of that army start fighting worse and won't follow easilly the comands.Like soccer.When the attacker scores it's the phycology that counts.If you manage to control that,you can win any war.
LakedemonP 3 months ago
@LakedemonP Actually F-22 is designed to safe guard air passage (the role of fighter plane) rather than play the role of a attacking plane or a bomber. If an army refuse to follow command simply because the sustain of casualties then such army is more of a mob rather than professional military force. Of course morale is important, but such morale will not be shaken simply because of the death of a few thousands. And beside, who would suffer more casualties in the war, the U.S. or Iran?
william7476 3 months ago
@william7476 Of course Iran would have more casualties.The difference is that Iran must defend to survive.On the other hand the motive for US soldiers will change in time.Look I don't like war.Greeks had so many wars in the past that now we hate them.Ofcourse if we have to we will do it.But when you see that everything is for the money and petrol and thousands of humans ends dead,you get angry.And the Iranian will turn very angry.The war nowadays can be inside cities.That would be really bad.
LakedemonP 3 months ago
@william7476 Your very wrong Will. The US has advanced weaponry, skilled fighting techniques and tatctical maneuvers but they haven't won any wars since World War 2. They couldnt even beat the viet cong.. not to mention a bunch of modern day persians with rusty Ak's and scandals. USA cant win wars for shit anymore. Its all about willingness to fight mate.
Fatalerror300 3 months ago
@Fatalerror300 All you remember is Vietnamn War after WW II? God, you really need history lessons, up until now. How do you explain Gulf War, Afgan War, Iraq War? It's all about one's willingness to fight? What the Japanese Empire during WW II? Do you know how courageously stupid they were? You can judge the Japanese troops during WW II in whatever way you like it, but what is for certain is that their willingness to fight is second to none.
william7476 3 months ago
@Fatalerror300 As for Vietnamn. Don't use the words "couldn't even" when describing American's lost in Vietnamn. The Vietnamnese were not a bunch monkeys who just jump down on their enemies. They were aided by the Soviet in weaponry and China in supplies. They developed vadvanced tactics very well adepted to their environment. It's not just the willingness to fight. It all comes down to fighting techniques in the end. Again, don't look down on the Vietnamnese, you gotta alot to learn from them.
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LakedemonP 1 year ago
Well,the biggest naval battle in history.The 3nd time that the Athenians with their allies won the Persians.Because of that Persians had to withdraw their navy and their troops stuck in Greece and went to Thesally for the winter.So the Spartans had to face them to prove that they are better in combat.That happened to Plataiea.The Greek-Persian war began many years before and ended with Alexander the Great.That war lasted for 230 years.And now I hear that US wants to declare war to Iran (Persia)
LakedemonP 1 year ago
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@perazh, Greece was not occupied by Persia after the battle of Salamis. A year after Salamis the remains of the Persian army were defeated at the battle of Plataea and then again at the battle of Mykale were the rest of persia fleet sunk. In the return the Greeks freed Cyprus from Persian occupation. That was 2 years after Salamis. There were some more battles which were won by the Greeks that finally lead to the Persian/Greek treaty of peace of Callias in 448BC.
KimuraTei 1 year ago
@perazh, Greece was not occupied by Persia after the battle of Salamis. A year after Salamis the remains of the Persian army were defeated at the battle of Plataea and then again at the battle of Mykale were the rest of persia fleet sunk. In the return the Greeks freed Cyprus from Persian occupation. That was 2 years after Salamis. There were some more battles which were won by the Greeks that finally lead to the Persian/Greek treaty of peace of Callias in 448BC.
KimuraTei 1 year ago
lol
How funny Westerns like to twist the history in their side. It is well documented Persians by the leadership of Artemisia the first and only Naval commander won this battle and occupied Greece ..
perazh 1 year ago 12
@perazh That is funny - how well documented? I would love to see your source. Have you actually read anything about the battle?
OConnor68 1 year ago 15
@perazh
dear Perazh, can you tell us in wich historical sources is mensioned that Persia was the winner of battle of Salamis?
mauripetra 1 year ago
@perazh leadership by Artemisia :) :) :) :) :) :) Artemisia my friend was Greek from Asia Minor. All Greeks from Asia Minor were occupied by Meds (Persia its not the right name for the Empire ...see Herodotus) and they had to fight against brothers Greeks because theirs familys and properties are back in Asia Minor unders Meds-Persian mercy. Even Persians were unders Meds political control.
tektamos 1 year ago
@tektamos
Only an amount of the Soldiers were Medes but not the commanders. The units the Persians used were mostly from Persia itself, Media and Elam. But the Immortals were mostly Persians. And it's called Persian Empire. The Official language of the Empire was Old Persian, the tradition and culture was Persian.
samioa 1 year ago
@samioa Xerxes wife was Med and the prime minister of Persia was Med. Also the Best source about the Greek_"Persians" war, Herodotos call the war HellenicMeds war and not Hellenic(Greek)Persian war. Some times history get handled by politics. Like Byzantium or Eastern Roman Empire. Some who likes romans better calling the Empire Roman, some calling Byzantium. Maybe I am hearing like Alien, but history after 1948 is more politics than pure science.
tektamos 1 year ago
@tektamos
The commanders of the greco-persian wars was Artaphernes, Datis Artaphernes (son of Artaphernes) Xerxes I Mardonius, Hydarnes, Artabazus, Megabyzus all of those were Persian. However Datis might be a Mede. The Persian empire which the Persians themselves called Achaemenid Empire was named after the first Persian king ''Achamenes''. That's why it's called the Persian empire. The official language of the Empire was Persian and anything else.
samioa 1 year ago
@samioa In ancient Greek writes it called Median wars because Ionian Greeks had Medo occupation before the Persian one. So in ancient greek scipts you ll find more times Medians than Persian. CUz the 1st one were more known to Ionia (Minor Asias aegean coasts). Its like nowdays we say England insteed of UK ,even if England is just a part of UK.
SpnOptimus2011 1 year ago
@SpnOptimus2011
It was not called Median wars... Haven't you read my replies? Even Herodotus himself called it Persian wars, According to Herodotus, Xenophon, Wikipedia and books it's called Greco-Persian Wars, I don't know where you have gotten your informaion.
samioa 1 year ago
@samioa if wikipedia says that im a monkey with a keyboard will you believe it? I have the damm script on my office.
SpnOptimus2011 1 year ago
@SpnOptimus2011 the Herodotus one
SpnOptimus2011 1 year ago
@SpnOptimus2011
Wikipedia is written by experts, and it's not lies, else it would be filled with full of bullshit like for example: ''the sun is pink and it's very cold'', And I also mentioned books not only Wikipedia, I guess all books calls it Greco-Persian Wars, here's a few of these books: The Greek and Persian Wars 500-323 B.C, The Greeks at war: from Athens to Alexander, The histories Herodotus and so on.. Just try it yourself, go to google(dot)books(dot).com
samioa 1 year ago
@samioa Dude listen
1st Wikipedia is just a site where anyone can write . That includes liers ,provocators and ofc some true facts. I suggest you (and to all) to buy books. Cuz you can always know the Writer. There is nothing more true than the Scripts of Herodotus in ancient Greek.
2nd We are right both. Herodotus (Ηροδότου Ιστορίαι) book is known in the ancient world as "Τα μηδικά" witch means The Happenings (wars) with the Medians. BUT in the Book when the talk about the Medians
SpnOptimus2011 1 year ago
@SpnOptimus2011 He says tha Medians are just a Part of the Persian Empire that Attack Greeks. So nowdays we say Greco-Persian wars (witch is right) but those days they were saying Median Wars cuz it started with Ionian Rebellion at the part of the Persian Empire that Medians were 1st enslave the Ionian Greek Cities. Ofc its fault to say "Median Wars" !!! Even if they were 1st class citizens at the Persian Empire. The right one is "Greko-Persian" Wars.
SpnOptimus2011 1 year ago
@SpnOptimus2011 BUT Greko is a name tha Turks gave to us when they conquer Greece.IT means Slave! or something. The right one is Hellenes. So the wikipedia experts must re-write again the wars must call Hellenic-Persian Wars. Cuz Greeks or Greece is blasphemy. As you can see...the Slavs now called from all world Macedonians. And we cant change our name from Greece to Hellas YEARS NOW!
They change FYROM to Macedonia in 1 month to all maps! And we still called Greeks! Strange huh?
SpnOptimus2011 1 year ago
@SpnOptimus2011 English adaptation of Greek is derived from Latin Graecus, which in turn originates from Greek Γραικός (Graikos),name of a Boeotian tribe that migrated to Italy in the 8th century BC, it is by that name the Hellenes were known in the West. Homer,reciting the Boeotian forces in the Iliad's Catalogue of Ships, provides the first known reference to a Boeotian city named Graea,Graeans coming into contact with Romans responsible for naming all Hellenic speaking tribes Graeci.
AlexandrostheGreat1 1 year ago
@AlexandrostheGreat1 What you said is almost right. Almost...Graeci was first said by the Etrouscians and Latins at the 8th century BC . Graeci mean Cheater,Trickster... Aristotelis was wrote about this at Meteorologika. Graia was a place Near Tanagra at 770 BC they set a colony at Neapolis (Napoli nowday) , with Chalkida and Kimi. So Greculus at the Roman Empire was the un-honored man. In Slavic language Grech means con and sin. Nowdays all the West call us Greece and the Asian call us Unan.
SpnOptimus2011 1 year ago
@SpnOptimus2011 So Through the Centuries Greek means Cheater, Un-Honored man etc etc. Why Etroscians called us like that? Simple the Colony at Neapolis to survive in this hostile territory made the native tribes fight each other by spread out lies. So while the Colony was setting up.,The Etrouscians had a civil war. When they found out what happend it was too late...
By the Asians we are known us Junan (unan) because the most famous Greeks for them( Turkey,Israel, Arabia) were the Iones(Jiones)
SpnOptimus2011 1 year ago
@tektamos
The Greeks used Carthaginian mercenaries against Romans does that mean it is Carthago-Roman wars? No, It's Greco-Roman wars. So the PERSIANS used MEDIAN soldiers, but that doesn't make it Medo-Greek wars its Greeco-Persian wars. And Selecuids used Persian mercenary archers against Egypt does that make it Perso-egyptian wars? No.
samioa 1 year ago
@samioa 3rd to 2nd centure Greece had no money for mercenaries, and Greeks never fought in ancient time with mercenaries or slaves. Only with Greek citizens Greeks by blood. The time when Romans came to Greece, Greeks were allready out of money and soldiers because of thousands stupid wars between Greek cities. But my point is that some high rank Meds, make Xerxis to do that with out reason war. Later 150 years, All persians noble loved Alexanders, except Meds, special then who run Babylon
tektamos 1 year ago
@tektamos In the 3rd century BC Greece was the richest empire in the world, because before Alexander burnt down Persepolis he took all it's treasure, more than a thousand ton of Gold, on his Later campaign he used Persian Archers, Kardakes were spearmen which were mostly Medes that's all, Sparabara were high armoured spearmen they were Persian, Immortals were the top infantry of the PErsian empire they were Persian, Median or Elamite, So you cant say it's Medo-Persian Wars.
samioa 1 year ago
@samioa 323 Greece was rich, but 230 Grece was a mess, devited in cities and stupid wars between kingdoms Alexanders left to his Generals and ..etc. I dont say enything by my mind. Herodotos say so. He probably kwew someting that we cant see today. I know that Xerxis had a multiculture army. But why a wise Emperor decide to do that war ?
tektamos 1 year ago
@tektamos
Actually the Greeks started the Greco-Persian wars, it began with the Ionian Revolt in 500 bc, the Greeks were defeated in that battle, then Darius sent a huge fleet to invade Greece as a punishment for the Ionian invasion, and the Persians were defeated at that battle, which is knows as The battle of marathon, then the war got bigger and bigger Darius died, Xerxes then wanted to avenge him and that's why Xerxes attacked Greece
samioa 1 year ago
@samioa A war cant start with a Revolutions. If Greeks had to revolt against Persian Emperor, means that him first try to take Greek Asia Minor and the Cities for his own interest. So a revolution can never been the cause of the war. The cause is the first movement from before 5th Centure against the Greek cities in Asia Minor or Ionia, whatever you prefer
tektamos 1 year ago
@tektamos
Sorry I couldn't understand what you said
samioa 1 year ago
@samioa Dont worry, me either sometimes. I mean a revolution is not the start. If Greek cities in Asia Minor (Ionia) had to revolt agianst Persians, means that Persians attacked first before the revolution
tektamos 1 year ago
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samioa 1 year ago
@samioa Lydians were not Greeks, but what has to do with Ionian Cities ? Greeks were in Ionia for thusands of years without attack to any on on the east. The cities were very rich and I have never read in any ancient writter about Greek invasion to east before Persia attack to Asia Minor (Ionian cities)
tektamos 1 year ago
@tektamos lydians were and still are greeks.shove ur lame propaganda and ur lies in ur ass
itachiitachi1946 11 months ago
@samioa Greeks were rich enough. Didnt need money. Every Athenian had average enough money to buy a new F-16 (with nowdays money) thats a Harvard recearch. But still Persian Empire( the Empire NOT the people) were more times richer than Greece. Ofc the Persian Gold made the Greeks superpower for years. Alexander dream was to unite the 2 cultures and ofc he did that to army too.By used persian and greek infantry. Image what kind of army would he build if he didnt die by using Chariots+ elephants
SpnOptimus2011 1 year ago
@perazh Thats not true salamis was a greek victory. However the battle of Artemisium before Salamis was indecisive because both sides withdrew
viperreturns 1 year ago
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perazh 1 year ago
@viperreturns
Thats what Greeks wrote. They always used to write these nonsenses after their defeats.
But as the great Archaeologist of London Museum said: For Persians Greece has always been a bunch of villages with low population and low interest. Persians had all they waned Babylon, Egypt, Syria ,,,
Greeks has always tried to portrait themselves as above others and this was followed by their European dependents.
Greece was just a gate for Mideast advances to uncivilized European..
perazh 1 year ago
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viperreturns 1 year ago
@perazh At that time greece was not a bunch of villages. However when you get an expert and look up the seas of around salamis the persians fell right into a trap even the seas show that! plus if the persians had beaten the greek navy there army would of fell. The greeks had fled to salamis plus the greek trireme was the best warship of the day at that time Dont get me wrong however when i think of persia i think of art wealth.
viperreturns 1 year ago
@perazh Dont get me wrong however when i think of persia i think of art wealth. However i am studying history and and i know a few historians and Archaeologist and they even tell me it was a greek victory it. Like i said it would not have made sense salamis would have then been occupied and that did not happen soon they had a treaty Peace of Callias
viperreturns 1 year ago
@viperreturns
If Persians had lost this war howcome they soon after this concurred Athena?
There is no doubt Greeks were writing biased history for themselves and this gets much clear as they used to call all others except themselves uncivilized and barbar while Persia had invented civilization when their ancestors were living on the trees and in that time they were in fact far behind the Persian technology
perazh 1 year ago
@perazh You have know idea what you on about. the greeks left Athens to salamis and you wrong again the greeks were not barbar there is no such thing. At that time they invented Democrocy and it a fact the Trireme was the best warship of the day. and as of technology Mongolian empire was just a group of normads yet they took over most of the world at that time includeing ones that had technology. not everything that is writen is biased at all
viperreturns 1 year ago
@viperreturns Also the ancient greeks had better military than the persians Phalanx The Greeks in Sicily developed the first advanced catapults. The Phalanx and the Trireme ship were important for Athens to be victorious against a much larger Persian Army, but military technology was developed less by Athenians but by other Greek groups. The Phalanx is considered a Spartan invention. Sparta transformed into a militaristic society. And it was used by Alexander the great till Rome came along
viperreturns 1 year ago
@perazh
You think that by throwing this unhistorical question out of your head you can change history? The greek civilisation was superior, so whats your problem now? no one called you barbar...
velzevulable 1 year ago
@perazh First, we don´t need to twist history. History is already in our side. Secondly, Artemisium was a tactical stalemate but a greek strategic victory. Salamis was a decisive greek victory. Platea was a decisive greek victory. Mycale was a decisive greek victory. Thermopylae was a persian victory but the greek fought much better and killed a lot of persians, and won time for the greek navy to prepare. And then your weak empire was conquered by Alexander. Good times...
1999521 1 year ago
@perazh Since when did Greece, become part of the Western Hemisphere? Haha. Anyway, Persians lost this battle, lost it badly actually. This is why the main body of the Persian army, never saw main land Greece again. Show me one document, or shred of proof, that says they did.
PlainOldKris 1 year ago
@PlainOldKris since when greece became part of western hemisphere u ask?since we established the western civilisation(even middle east tried to adopt our civilisation and eventuall ythe rest of the world tried to do that art,science,democrasy i can keep going forever)and we at 1832 were the first to talk about our idea to establish a west part of countries starting in europe when we freed by turks after fighting them for 10 straight years and since after ww2 we were busting the balls of.....
itachiitachi1946 11 months ago
@itachiitachi1946 @PlainOldKris ...... the balls of truman (president of usa) tocreate nato so those western countries wil be safe and able prosper.
itachiitachi1946 11 months ago
@PlainOldKris ...... the balls of truman (president of usa) tocreate nato so those western countries wil be safe and able prosper.
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@PlainOldKris ...... the balls of truman (president of usa) tocreate nato so those western countries wil be safe and able prosper.
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itachiitachi1946 11 months ago
@perazh Artemisia may have been a slight tactical Persian victory, but whatever sort of "victroy" the Persian navy could have claimed in the aftermath came at a very high price and was among the many setbacks Xerxes invasion force became plauged with.
Robbylonia 10 months ago
@perazh Greece is still the same country as it was then, meaning it is easier for them to document the war, whereas persia is no where to be found, just countries who once were all joined to form a magnificent army, you can only think of the alteration the persians could of done to their documents when thy split up into different factions.
Booyaka009 9 months ago
@Booyaka009 Actually, the reason that there is little documentation in Persia is the frequent conquest of the nation by 'barbaric' peoples, e.g. the Mongols, Arabs, etc. and they burned a lot of books and stuff like that. Greece was lucky, it had Romans and Ottomans who were more civil to the conquered.
And on a side note, Persia is still the nation it was back then, Persia was just named after the Parsae, and later called Iran by the Sassanid dynasty in an effort of unity, more or less.
MultiShervin 6 months ago
@MultiShervin voted down.
Booyaka009 6 months ago
@MultiShervin Ottoaman were more civil? BIG LOL!
dimstiv 5 months ago
@perazh lolz i like how all humans try to twist history in anyside , its well documented that marsians came to help persians , cause the only one that was in the sea byt that time from the side of the greeks was posidon ...
and its also well documented that e.t. didnt , made it to "home" ... get over it
gloup81 8 months ago
@perazh and you think you are an easterner or anything? do you know what the persian roots are? like greeks and all westerners indo-european. that's right dude. as long as 1500 B.C. they spoke similar languages.
nazwraios1 5 months ago
@perazh HAHAHA, a butthurt persian!! Tell me what´s your source, a persian propagandistic pamphlet?? We all know the greeks won this one. If Greece was conquered by Persia then how could Alexander destroy the persians a century later???
1999521 4 months ago
@perazh
Yeah then why did they flee?
revolutionist37 4 months ago
@perazh OWO MUSLIMS ARE MUCH MORE STUP[ID THAN I THOUGHT.DO YOU REALY THINK THAT YPU WON THEN?MAN,YOUY LIVE IN AN OTHER PLANET...
thebomber12321 3 months ago
the spartans and the korintians wanted to go to pelloponisos and defend there, because they didn't care about athenians. According to Plato the Persian ships where about 3.450 and the Greek where 727. The big Persian ships crashed on each other and the Greeks where ramming on each other. Salamina was a very small place for the Persian navy to fight.
lazer171933 1 year ago
The Battle of Tours was equally decisive in the history of the world as we know it. Great info!
MrTraffik07 1 year ago
What's the beggining music
PraetorSlayer2 1 year ago
@PraetorSlayer2 I'd like to know too. I have it somewhere, I just can't remember the name.
unnamednewbie13 1 year ago
@unnamednewbie13 I found out. It's the Last of the Monichians theme
PraetorSlayer2 1 year ago
@PraetorSlayer2 *fingersnap* That's it! I have the CD somewhere.
unnamednewbie13 1 year ago
ΙΤΕ ΠΑΙΔΕΣ ΕΛΛΗΝΩΝ...ΝΥΝ ΥΠΕΡ ΠΑΝΤΩΝ Ο ΑΓΩΝ
theokatsar 1 year ago
u should have said more about the argument of greek generals in salamis. Alciviades(spartan general and as we know spartansdidnt know much about naval battles) was put in charge of greeks, Themistocles didnt agree with his plan and alciviades slapped him cause he showed dissrepect towards him. Then themistocles dropped a famous quote still used by many greeks he said: "Hit me(again), but at least hear me"
dimalex8 1 year ago 4
@dimalex8 Wasn't his name Eurybiades? Anyway - It is a great story. I wish I could find some video footage to add it in. I do have a small clip of two guys arguing on a boat. Maybe I could add it in ... I have to check - Thank you
OConnor68 1 year ago
yes ur right my bad, euribiades was his name, i confused him with the later king of sparta alciviades
dimalex8 1 year ago
@dimalex8 Its was not Alciviades, Alciviades was Athenian General and borned 30 years after the Greek - Persian wars. The Man you looking for and Spartan was Evriviades who disagree with Themistocles about the place and the time of the final naval battle with Persians. About the hit me and listence to me you are right.
tektamos 1 year ago
what a feat - people will be talking about it for thousands of years
proud to be greek !
sammygee17 1 year ago
So think! Dont mess up with Greeks even after all these centuries!!!!
drummerhellas 1 year ago
Hummm... Good video, but... That scenes stolen from BEN HUR - you can see Charlton Heston (RIP) ... And a rock & roll band... Too much for me.
drojale 1 year ago
THEMISTOCLES! The Persians look hungry. shall we ram their trireme and give the bastards some water?
nintendo322 1 year ago
This is a fantastic video. However, the video quality isn't too great but overall that doesn't really effect the video too much.
theQandAtor 1 year ago
Thanks! So, asl?
Pashabbulker 1 year ago
@Pashabbulker ???
OConnor68 1 year ago
Well maybe the greatest naval battle; it was terrific really. I suppose you cant compare a naval battle to a land battle. But I still stand for - it wasn't the greatest victory. Hmm i have to write an essay on these battles from 480 - 479BC and whether Athens or Sparta had greater contribution to the 5 battles.
Pashabbulker 1 year ago
@Pashabbulker Great Topic - Would make a good youtube movie as well!
OConnor68 1 year ago
Thats silly! All was good except when it ended saying it was the "greatest victory in the history of Greece". Which is not true at all. There were many victories in the history of greece that were equally astonoshing. The battle of Marathon for example and what about the battle of Mycale or Platae?
Pashabbulker 1 year ago
@Pashabbulker - really? Marathon was big event, but not even close to the same scale of Salamis - just think of the numbers involved and Plataea and Mycale would never have happened if were not for Salamis. Salamis is the pivital point.
OConnor68 1 year ago
anthony9177 its the soundrack of the last of the mohicans...george from greece
scalp1200 1 year ago
Hey whats the name of the song? i really want to get that song OO
anthony9177 1 year ago
The first is from Last of the Mohigans soundtrack and the second is Citizen Soldier
OConnor68 1 year ago
afta einai and i live here in salamina
AGELADARIS007 1 year ago
whats the song?
ohhhlexx 1 year ago
Citizen hero! nice idea
nintendo322 1 year ago
wats the name of this song
Panos5595AEK 1 year ago
etsi elladara
Panos5595AEK 1 year ago
etsi
nouligr 2 years ago
480 BC!
Reverendjim1 2 years ago
Well done greeks!!!!!!!
The great commanderThemistocles!!!!!!!!!!!
IsmailDagestani 2 years ago 18
NEXT PLEASE!!!!
telosfd 2 years ago 2
ROW YOU BASTARDS GREEKS ARE DYING!
Jovian84 2 years ago
HA - I have to put that in next time!!!
OConnor68 2 years ago
What's the fule doing, he's going the take the beach of troy with 50 men.
Hellenicjaguar 2 years ago
Hey wait! What are the Romans doing in there (7:05)?
And on which side did they fight? ;D
Habschee 2 years ago 2
I`d like to know the name of this song. Someone knows??
jjoacir2007 2 years ago
instrumental from Last of the Mohicans, recent remake with Daniel Day Lewis.
DonMeaker 2 years ago
This was an awesome video and saved me a lot of time from reading about it for Greek class. It also made me feel for the men in battle and made me realize how intellegent the Greeks or Themistocles was for traping them in the strait without wasting their own energy. The song just made it all the more better. It added that feeling of comradery and watching out for the man standing next to you and never leaving your comrades in the ranks.
braniac92 2 years ago
Thank You Thank You - Makes it all worth while
OConnor68 2 years ago
Watched this in class yesterday. Liked it especially the song. Had to find it what is the song called?
andie8989 2 years ago
The first is from Last of the Mohigans and the 2nd is Citizen Soldier by 3 doors down - Say - by the by - what class was it?
OConnor68 2 years ago
No doubt the Persians were civilzed and there were many centers of civiliztions. But having said that I would still argue that the acient Greek (Hellenic) civilization was exeptional one. It defined and developed ideas that nowhere else were visible and pronounced. I mean probably the most important notion that there is some basic order in the Universe and Nature and that it can be fathomed by the mind (phytagoreans). The tool to do this is mathematics, logics and philosophy.
KrzysiekWawrytko 2 years ago
Can someone simply stick to the subject of the video and the battle of salamis?
TheMelani50 2 years ago
The fact Macedonians were participating to the OLYMPIC games where ONLY HELLENES(Greeks) were allowed to do so speaks from itself..PLEASE provide us ANYTHING regarding Macedonia not written in Greek language..JUST ANYTHING...and please let us know what was the religion in Macedonia..
omyZEUS1 2 years ago 2
dragon, where do you think that alexander the great was from??
macadonia - athens - sparta - korinthos - argos etc were greek cities with the same language and religion..
SKOUNTOUFLIS13 2 years ago
Alexander the Great was from Macedonia, like his father Philip II
MegaJon7 2 years ago
i really love the song...only the beginning of it!!!!
francisgypozxc 2 years ago
I agree the song was awesome... it added that extra feeling in there, just listening to the words made me feel for the men... then it made me feel sorry for them because they had so much responsibility on their shoulders to protect their country
braniac92 2 years ago
For my pretentions there are many prouves and real documents ! if youstudy freely without fanatic thaughts ! With respcting all nations in the world !
Tell me please : if Iran(persia) was not civilized ! then why Herodut has choose to live in Iran and he visited every where in persia ?
dragon67963 2 years ago
for questions of culturs and civilizations etc , I am agree but there were othere too ! same as iranians, indians and chinies and egyptians etc . science and arte has developped by all nations ,so why you are trying to say it is only you or vesterns that did it or do it ?
these days iran has problems with religions and fanatysmes ! unless it was again powerful ! persian empire was not only millitary empire it was empire of arts and cultures and music and medicine and engineering too !
dragon67963 2 years ago
what is this song called?
PUKANA69 2 years ago
dw i found it
PUKANA69 2 years ago
Alexander was not greek!???!! Learn something about history my boy!!!!
mikemarotenetgr 2 years ago
@mikemarotenetgr
Of course!!! Alexander was American!!!!
jxris 2 years ago
may be you are right ! my be not !
It is true that Presians(Iranians) had many big victories and only 2 times thay lost ! Iranian nation was Empire during almost 1400 years , but greeks never became an empire and thay faught all the time between them ! even alexander the great was not greek ! and his glory took 10 years , not more ! and selukid or selucid empire has destroied almost after 60 years by Iranians( Parths or Khorasanis and tajik today) and by romains too ! so forget
dragon67963 2 years ago
they may have not been empire but are one of the greatest cultures ever. modern western civilizations have been based around them. with their logics, maths and inventions and Athenians democracy. etc
PUKANA69 2 years ago
ΘΕΜΙΣΤΟΚΛΗΣ
ΕΛΛΑΣ ΓΙΑ ΠΑΝΤΑ.
2azimuths2 2 years ago
salamis great victory for greece saved hellenism and freedom. should not say saved the west from slavery they were still barbarians and remained barbarians for centuries to come. internal in fighting destroyed greece romans conquored them greek cultured conqoured the romans with her culture. then the new religon came christianity barbarians destroyed ancient greece and caused the dark ages. then they took hellenic symbols hellenic ideoligies mixed them up with jewish ones and destroyed mankind.
themios72 2 years ago
greece allways had internal fighting since they colonised the peninsula
tecna64 2 years ago
The intro made me smile. "Some of the Movies are from roman times". LOL. Anyway, great video. And the Soldiery wernt all free men, the galley slaves and peltasts were still slaves, but they fought for their masters.
Tankysyd 2 years ago 2
Galleys???
WE NEVER HAD GALLEYS!
Peltasts were not slaves,but every Greek fighter went to battle with one or two of his servants who were responsible for weapon maintenance,cooking,etc.
The servants were also baring some weapons mostly bows and arrows which Greeks considered them dishonored because they weren't close contact weapons!
celestiall 2 years ago
Eh. I'd read that most of the rowers (at least in Roman times, but I think in Athens at least, if not most of Greece, as well) were mostly free men. They were the lowest and poorest, who couldn't afford infantry weapons, but free.
robotminione 2 years ago
So true - Well said - That is indeed why I chose the song. Thank you
OConnor68 2 years ago
Forgive me if I am wrong but the music might be an odd choice for some but the words "citizen soldiers" reflect a meaning that might not be obvious.Some historians believe these battles such as Salamis and their outcome rest purely on the shoulders of the armies and in this case the oarsmen and NOT the Great men of the time such as Theostocles.Both have their place in my view.
6Solace6 2 years ago
4:45 dis-orientate? No such word-I guess if a British woman says it, it must be proper English..?..
tegunn 2 years ago
Ha - I just caught that - priceless
OConnor68 2 years ago
wats the name of that song
PanosWWE5595 2 years ago
what could have been enjoyable has been destroyed by disasterous and inappropriate music.
OFWHAPPYONE 2 years ago
Stupid bloody music ruined it for me - way too loud and inappropiate.
KiaOra53 2 years ago
lets just say it is 366 vs. 1200 (according to ancient sources), and I'll add in a no retreat clause, keeping with the 40-200 ratio on kills.
126 greek vessels would have sailed away leaving the entire persian fleet sunk.
arandomperson240 2 years ago
The film misses to express the very meaning of the outcome of the battle: The paradigm of the western world could go on to live, the eastern tyranny was beaten. Without Salamis, our modern culture is not thinkable.
ThFranke 2 years ago