What Did Jesus Accomplish on the Cross? (Jim McClarty)

[kralorhann]

this man hates Jesus he's missionar from russia : don t believe him => commercials

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[monteindamiddle7]

Get rid of the carved image. It's a commandment! ~Exodus 20:4

[kelark]

So the church is now an "anyone" and "him". Him is an interesting pronoun for the Bride of Christ. How youy got the church from this verse borders on magic;-)

Jesus does not knock to enter his church.

[TheotherPrometheus]

@kelark I don't get the church from that verse. I get it from the context. 14 “And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: ‘The words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God's creation.

22 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’”

[SlaveOfCrist]

what is that staff behind him? It looks kind of pagan.

[TheotherPrometheus]

@SlaveOfCrist It's a shepherd's crook.  Decidedly not pagan.

[polopowers1]

Propitiated His wrath in the death of God? Jesus Christ was and is fully God but God cannot die Father and Spirit cannot be God absent from Son. This would constitute three gods. Jesus Christ died in Atonement as a Man distinct to God.God cannot suspend His perpetual virtues and attributes and still be God from everlasting to everlasting.There would be a pause by Christ death as God. Saying God died,it is impossible.Christ died as a Man unique in flesh and blood Atonement sinless.

[polopowers1]

Christ satisfied God in atonement God is perpetual Virtue and satisfaction of His justice must be One with His Nature,hence Jesus Christ.What Jesus primarily satisfied is not justification alone but what Christ desired oneness with God found in John 17.Christ died for sins, sanctified, glorified,Christ did it all giving faith and grace necessary to be saved.But much more are we saved by His Life.Christ in Melchesidek priesthood perpetuates the good virtues of God even when Justice is done.

[kelark]

"Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me."

God knocks man opens the door.

[TheotherPrometheus]

@kelark That verse is out of it's right context. It is about a church, not our hearts.

[ThisIsMySockAccount]

I love Jim McClarty's sermons. I wish we, "youtube commoners" (lol) could upload videos this long.

[agentorangetechno]

your channel is my fav...

[Lukyo1984]

Actually that is really bad news. No resurrection and no redemption and no salvation.

No eternal life.

[agentorangetechno]

NO doubt....

[KEKKREEM]

What is that curved staff in the back ground? What does it represent and from where does it originate?

[SBGGCA]

It's a shepherd's crook (albeit an ornate one), meant to remind us to shepherd the sheep of God, following our Great Shepherd.

[agentorangetechno]

why are sun symbols in many church's of all kinds.

i do notice that alot. especially in roman catholic church's.

[dany996]

mammamia qnt kazzo dura...

[curvalecce]

This is so beautiful and so right! Most of the time we have to settle for one or the other, but this is BOTH!

AMEN! AMEN!

[princessmello]

Thanks Lane; this helped to clarify limited atonement for me, which was needed. Our Lord is good.

[ATLpirate]

Judging by the videos in Craig's favorite list, he appears to be a Paul Washer fan. He does know Paul Washer is a Calvinist, right?

*shrug*

[undivided809]

How come it says the video is no longer available? was the video removed from youtube or is the problem with me?

[ATLpirate]

It's working for me...

[LaneCh]

It's working fine for me. Try installing the latest edition of Adobe Flash. Use the latest 9 version. Don't use the 10 beta. I was having the same problem when I was using that beta.

[undivided809]

It works now, it wasn't a flash player problem. the problem was with the google-web-accelerator. I turned it off so now i can watch this awesome awesome message! I have watched this 3 times already and im still blown away. =')

[polopowers1]

@LaneCh Did he say God died on the cross?God died satisfying God in Atonement.?Can God be God without the Son? Can their be God the Father,God the Spirit absent of the Son? This would make critical thinking correct that Christians believe in three gods.Christ fully God died as a Man He did not die as God but as flesh and blood atoning.This is an excellent teacher in great error.God cannot die suspending all perpetual Virtue and attribute.Christ in virtue and attribute was never suspended as God

[JesusFishMinistries]

Just because oyu disagree Craig does not mean you have to be uncivil and irrational. McClarty did a fine exposition and I am not even a calvinist. You see most anti-calvinist walk around with eternal insecurity. When the bible is very clear we can have assurance.

Also Calvin murdered no one. Read a history book. It did however show why theocracy will never work.

God is sovereign. To believe anything else to to be void of faith. God knows who will be saved.

[CraigX1allen]

Of STUPID Calvinisms...

Webster,

Stop being stupid

Webster 1828 Dictionary,

Stupid

STUPID, a. [L., to be stupefied, properly to stop. See Stop.]

1. Very dull; insensible; senseless;

***wanting in understanding***

[CraigX1allen]

ALL THE SINS OF ALL THE WORLD

1John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and

not for ours only, < - - not the ELECT ONLY

but also for the sins of the whole world.

[CraigX1allen]

To the wind with STUPID Calvinisms

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God

must believe that he is, < - - an act of man's WILL

and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him

Calvin was a MURDERER-no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him

He murdered men and women because a plague came to Geneva.

Stop being fools and people will stop calling you fools

See Proverbs for the BIBLICAL definition of FOOL!

[SBGGCA]

Oh, I see. I apologize. I thought I was conversing with a rational person. You have an irrational hatred of Calvinism and an unjustified anger at those who propound it. Your "guilt by association" tactics are of no value. I never mentioned Calvin or read from any of his writing in this sermon. I just taught the Bible, for which I'm branded a liar. Yet, ironically, you've "favorited" Paul Washer videos who would likely agree with me. Interesting.

[LaneCh]

I agree. That's enough irrationality from one person. We won't be hearing anymore from CraigX1allen on this channel. One of the things that drew me out of any notion of Arminianism, though, was seeing the irrational argumentation from Arminianism's side, so I'll leave up the comments he's made thus far, or, in other words, just give him the rope.

[petemillner]

not only the irrationality, but the violent sinful fury with which it comes! Libel, vicious slander and aggressive self-righteousness seems to be a hallmark of someone convincing another of the precepts of arminian salvation...

[CraigX1allen]

That fool said that IF ALL sin is forgiven, that includes the sin of unbelief.

@ 10:56..."well you have to believe."

McClarty goes on to say... @ 11:26

"So you say Jesus did not die for the sin of UNBELIEF."

Those are the words of SATAN

McClarty is saying that an unbeliver may be saved, in his unbelief.

That is a LIE OF THE DEVIL!

[LaneCh]

"McClarty is saying that an unbeliver may be saved, in his unbelief."

Um... you didn't apply the logic correctly. We believe that faith is given as a gift. We do not believe that people can be saved without that gift which is exactly what he was talking about. Do you believe that unbelief is a sin?

[Kuvhinyi]

@LaneCh McClarty has missed it............the predestination at the end makes him a Calvinist which is as wrong as Pelagianism.............if only the saints had thier names written in the book of life...................how does he explain Rev 3: 5 .............

.who are these whose names were blotted out of the book of life..........................­.....I say all the names were in the book of life but some chose to BE not in Christ ......................

[DougCameraMan]

@Kuvhinyi or GOD chose to remove their names when He was electing some to eternal life. Of course, "blotted out" could be another way of saying that the non-elect were never written in the Book of Life in the first place.

[Kuvhinyi]

@LaneCh McClarty has missed it............the predestination at the end makes him a Calvinist which is as wrong as Pelagianism.............if only the saints had thier names written in the book of life...................how does he explain Rev 3: 5 .............

.who are these whose names were blotted out of the book of life..........................­.....I say all the names were in the book of life but some chose to BE not in Christ ......................

[SBGGCA]

Hello CraigX1allen. I appreciate Lane's responses, but I should speak for myself here. I argue continually that faith is an absolutely vital, necessary element of Christian salvation. What I was responding to in this video is the idea that Jesus died for all sin (universal atonement) but NOT for the sin of unbelief. At 11:26 I posed a question, I did not make a statement. The question was, "So you say Jesus did not died for the sin of unbelief?" Continued.

[SBGGCA]

So, either Jesus died for all sins of all people, or He merely died for MOST of the sins of all people. And that was my point. So far, you are the only person who has misunderstood that point. But, failing to comprehend someone's argument is not sufficient cause to brand them "that fool" or to say that this sermon is "a lie of the devil."

Faith is absolutely necessary for salvation. Faith is also a gift. And everything necessary for salvation is provided by God.

That's Bible.

[CraigX1allen]

When the jailor pleaded with Paul, Act 16:30 ...and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved

God, through Paul, did NOT say what Mr McClarty said.

GOD, through Paul DEMANDED, Act 16:31 ...Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Abraham is the FATHER of our faith, (true faith) because why?

Romans 4:3 Abraham believed God

Galatians 3:6 Abraham believed God

James 2:23 Abraham believed God

An ACT on Abrahams part!

Mr McClarty is a liar.

[LaneCh]

Where in this video are you referring to? Please provide a timestamp. Also, you say, "God, through Paul, did NOT say what Mr McClarty said.", but you did not say what Jim McClarty actually said. Would you provide that, too?

[tool2scream05]

We don't believe we have any power to choose Christ. The only power we have is to sin, and to do so continuously. Christ gives us the grace with which to believe and repent. So if we DO SO, it is because of the power he's given us. HE is responsible for our turning. If we DO NOT, it is because we SIN. We have the power to NOT choose God. How is this possible? And how do we explain our response to God as being him and us having no part? It's hard, it's our one flaw... any scholar will say so.

[tool2scream05]

Yes Christ died for the payment of ALL sin. But no that payment is not sufficient. Repentance is needed. The payment for sin is not complete without repentance. But God's work on the cross IS complete in that he gives us the grace which enables us to repent. It amazes me that a tradition so stressing of repentance would ignore it when speaking of soteriology and arguing against arminian thought. Somehow suddenly Christ's payment is enough, and repentance is a non-issue.

[skalapunk]

"Somehow suddenly Christ's payment is enough, and repentance is a non-issue."

Not entirely correct, because Christ's payment in fact secures repentance itself!

Rom 8:32 "He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things?"

All spiritual blessings are secured in Christ's finished and completed work!

[tool2scream05]

The trouble with saying "If Christ died to pay for all men's sin, then aren't all men saved?" Is that there is no repentance! The Bible is CLEAR that repentance is REQUIRED for salvation. It is back to that poor understanding of "faith alone." or "grace alone." Grace does NOT mean "forgiveness." Forgiveness is a PART of grace, but not the whole. Grace is defined by a GIFT which the recipient does NOT deserve. That would include the power to repent. The power to believe.

[tqd86]

what about when jesus says in matthew that if we don't acknowledge him on earth, he won't acknowledge us in heaven?

and what about all the other places in the bible that say that people are in danger of going to hell for various reasons?

[LaneCh]

I don't understand your questions. Are you suggesting that these verses contradict what's presented in the video?

[JDtheMusicMan]

Excellent message!  Thank you.

[KarensFaith]

I loved this message. One of the best I've ever heard. Thanks for sharing!

[YoungCalvinist08]

I love this message. I also like the audience - they're truly responding to the word of God as it is being taught.

[Japhethite]

Good video. ^_^

[budcarfan]

notice how small and quaint the church. Also the crowd is no more than enough to play a softball game.

This is an indication that the TRUTH is being presented.

[SBGGCA]

Hello all. This has been an interesting discussion. In essence, I agree with geojoey that we need to consider what the symbols we use in church convey. But, I should point out that this video did not originate at GCA, where I am pastor. I was preaching as a guest at Main Street Baptist Church, one of the most historically significant churches in Lexington, KY. And, knowing Elder Ward as I did, I am certain that nothing was placed on the platform randomly. Jim Mc.

[wotruth]

I do not think that it is improper to have highly decorative buildings - or do I think it strange to show up at the assembly "dressed" up for the Lord (I have offended some already) But I cannot consider giving the Lord my worst dress suit or showing up in my bathing suit. If under the law (which we are not) they were required to bring their best sacrifice, How much more, now that Christ has taken away our sins ought we to give God our best!

In Christ,

RCobb

[LaneCh]

Right. I agree. It's about the message that's presented, but personally, I prefer to at least wear pants when I go. When I was at the "seeker churches", worship really never felt like worship in cargo shorts although I know there were other factors present that added to that feeling, too.

[geojoey]

wotruth, regarding dress, I think it's a matter of respect. Respect for the Lord and respect for those around us. In my view, it seems we should dress well. This is certainly not a "saving doctrine" but it does bear some discussion. Thank you!

[MorganJServices]

The message is lovely. Thank you! I dress us to go be with my King & my Lord. I want to look my best for Him. It's not about legalism. It about love, respect & attitude. Someday He is going to take me to His home. A place I can't possibly imagine the splendor of. He will be marvelous to behold. His house will be breathtaking. I understand not making a fuss over the 4 walls. I also understand a desire to Him give a lovely home for a time - first in our hearts and then a dwelling structure. :)

[geojoey]

Alright, I'm going to be critical. The guy's a good teacher, but...

I got this problem with preachers on a fancy podium decked out with... stuff. You know, crown of thorns and shepards' crook and a multitude of crosses everywhere.

While the stuff reminds us of who He is, what He did and does, it seems like this stuff is a distraction, not a reminder. A man lifting up himself in a high fancy place causes our mind to be in a mode of reverence but maybe to the wrong person, don'tcha think?

[LaneCh]

I fail to see how this is a "high fancy place." It looks like the majority of other sanctuaries I've seen in some respect. The claim that he's "lifting himself up" is completely unwarranted. What about his presentation do you find that's in error? If you find nothing wrong about it and have nothing to share, perhaps it would be more profitable to find topics you don't agree with him on and discussing them rather than attacking the man himself in the future.

[geojoey]

Lane, I didn't attack him. Just an observation about the pulpit. It certainly DOES bear resemblance to many pulpits, because it is lifted up and unnecessarily embellished. In a large room it needs to be high enough so people can see the speaker and his voice will carry better. I understand. However, consider what people see: I was recently at a Catholic mass. The table used during the priest's transubstantiation ritual bore strong resemblance to the altars of blood-sacrificing pagan religions.

[LaneCh]

What about your claim that he's "lifting himself up"?

[geojoey]

Sorry. It's that darn 500 character limit. Trying to convey everything in 500 letters. With spaces.

Again, it's the visual presented to the observers. The fancy podium. The high place. The unnecessary accoutrements. I think you catch my drift. It's the first thing I noticed in the video so I thought I should comment.

Just something to think about, Brother Lane. Don't shove me into Perdition for ineptly pointing out something we might want to consider.

[LaneCh]

haha, I'm definitely not "throwing you into Perdition." I've valued your comments on other videos which is why I addressed this the way I did. It didn't seem in character for you so I wanted to get to the bottom of this. If you meant to say something else than you did in your first comment, then I hope you can understand why I reacted the way I did. I was only using what I had been given. cont...

[LaneCh]

If you didn't mean that directly to Jim in the first comment, then you might can see why I was confused.

[geojoey]

I indeed hope this topic is profitable, because it helps us all understand a little more about the things we see and hear and how they affect us, don't you think?

I apologize, because I did use the words "I got a problem with preachers who"... My mistake. I now revise it to "I got a problem with pulpits that"...

If you think I'm cracked, that's OK. Please keep an open mind (and eye) to the fact that the prince of the powers of the air has no influence which stops at the doors of a church.

[LaneCh]

So you recant that Jim McClarty was doing any of the things you were claiming in your first comment, and you affirm that you were speaking in a more general sense regarding your experience with certain denominations or churches? I don't think you're cracked, I'm just trying to get down to what your argument actually is.

[geojoey]

Lane, denominations are not what was intended for us. I'm not looking for the perfect land-bound church because I know what I'd do to it my first visit.

Sir, most folks, including, in my observations, most preachers, don't have a reasonable discerning grasp on the images, rituals and practices in which they partake every day.

I stand by my assertion that lifting one's self to a visually and sensually glorified position is not what our Lord taught us. Simplicity.

I have a few letters lef

[LaneCh]

...and I agree with you in a sense. RC's do this all the time. The issue I have is that you were implying that McClarty was "lifting himself up." I agree that RC's do this, I would even say that they worship statues and such, but I don't believe that Jim was doing it. That's the crux of my dispute. Do you believe that Jim is doing this here?

[geojoey]

Look, these message boards are a very imprecise way to communicate but I'll do my best.

I hold no man, including me, exempt from ecclesiastical or doctrinal criticism. Not even (especially?) if they stand behind or in an ornate area designed to place the observers in a psychologically subjugated position. Our earlier example of the blood sacrifice table in the RC church is told. I don't personally criticize the man, unless he truly understands the impact of such practice.

continued next ..

[geojoey]

...continued.

I recently attended a non-denominational "come as you are" church. No, I'm not a church hopper, but my personal circumstances almost require it.

I was taken aback to see an usher taking the offering, then giving the Lord's table, while he wore an AC/DC t-shirt, picture of a band member with horns, emblazoned on the front in plain sight for God and everybody to see. Blasphemy. I gave none and took none.

What's worse is that the "pastor" lets it happen. Unrepented.

[geojoey]

Hey, let a visitor wear that sort of stuff. But an USHER??? A LEADER in the church? Allowed by the "pastor" to take an offering and represent Jesus Christ the Son of God to all visitors? Excuse my loquacious assertion, but that pastor either has to get some cajones or find himself another Jesus to worship. But hey, this church had some GREAT FOOD!!! And everyone was so nice!!! :)

[ricaleigh007]

What's wrong with AC/DC? Just because they have songs like Highway to Hell, Hell's Bells, and Hell Ain't a Bad Place to Be?

I can't even believe you got negatives for knocking a Satanic T shirt being allowed. Doesn't seem to help the case of the argument being made.

[mosteel30]

amen!

[prinzemike]

Great education! :)