Maybe Furiousmat might actually want to TRAIN in the KFM system before commenting on the videos....i have done multiple MA systems over a quarter of a century and I KNOW this is effective. Please....if you only comment after watching them your comments are worthless.
I'll say it once and for all. I just watched a couple clips now and.. my conclusion is that this shit just doesn't work. sorry. I was kinda enthusiast at first but it's pure bullshit so far.
I don't get why people click thumbs down. If you think KFM sucks and is useless then don't study it, in fact it should help you out if people are practicing a form of defense that can't helpe them out.
would this actualy work in a street fight if used correctly? i know the history of this fighting method and how it was started and what the founders have been through in their lives and i know its used in mma. but does it actualy work if im 1 on 1 with a punk?
@BustaMonkey1234 oh yes it does indeed. i've been doing this for about 6 months now and it opens up lots of areas on the body that you wouldnt think would be effective in a fight. the way it looks is completely different to the way it feels. i get into alot of scraps around my area n its proved really fucking effective. it also depends on your attitude aswell if you dont have the right aggressive attitude in a fight to defend yourself how the fight ends is how you look at it.
A very effective martial arts based on the rough-tumble and brawling mostly found in barroom fights and on the streets. It is a very defensive art but do not mistraslate that it is easily usable in a prized ring or octagon because sports and self-defense arts are very different, even the orientation and direction of focus is different. I would gladly employ KFM into my self-defense regimen anyday but I will think twice of sticking only to it when fighting in a match that is officiated and ref'd.
What would u do if you had attackers attacking from seats on either side of you/
I trained SF and swat, our first rule is move away from the attack zone, just in case there is more than one attacker or there are firearms or sharp objects involved. grappeling methods place one in serious risk as mobility is lost . Great concept tho I will look at the rest of your vids
Nice move, you can really mess up some dude at your next board meeting! The fight scenes in Batman were pretty cool, but I'd like to see this method used in real life, like in the UFC for example.
Are there any real video fight clips out there ? All the videos I have seen are choreographed. Would like to see keysi vs BJJ or anything not staged. Big deal they used it on BATMAN. Batman is not real.
I love KFM for the variety of things that it throws your way. They always have situations because Justo and Andy both are well trained and have some real life experience with actual violence. This is a good way to know if a system of methods for fighting will work or not. I hope to see more quick vids like these, it just helps enhance the training I'm doing with KFM currently.
I believe--from my understanding of the KFM philosophy--that while it looks like a lot of convoluted steps, the idea is that once you've ascertained an idea of how to fight, you then fight instinctually in regards to the fight you're in. You just do what you feel is best for that particular moment in time and then continue from there.
Not really, CarNikolaj. Train it and get the principles, train for a few years, and then it all ceases to be a "series of moves that need to be completed" in order to get an adequate end result. If you've trained hard enough and long enough it's all just One Happening and then it's over. I've trained for 10 years, and my idea of what martial arts were then, and my comprehension of them now, have almost nothing in common. Same with this video--everything I see him do, it looks really very simple.
That sounds very nice in theory. However, the same theory is often used to justify training stupid, impractical movements - that they one day somehow start to work (they wont). So that tells us nothing.
So really - how exactly will you train this specific "it" (shown in the video) - what training method will you use for the "long time'?
I'm not sure I understand. What "theory" are you talking about? I train regularly, so fighting is no theory to me any longer, fo fighting is practical, it's applicable, and it's fact. Train something hard enough, I assure you, it works. I've got brown belt in BJJ, 2nd black in JKD, and black in Kali; I have become jaded throughout the years, was skeptical of KFM, but I TRIED IT, and its benefits are undeniable. Trust me: just TRY it before you knock it. And give it a REAL try, not just 1 class.
Whatever you write here is by necessity a "theory";You postulated something about a real-life phenomenon. That's theory. It also has nothing to do with whether you can or cannot fight.
For example, "Train something hard enough, I assure you, it works" is a theory and also not true. Train an impractical technique for 10 years, it's still impractical and you wasted 10 years.
"By 'necessity' theory"?--Not sure what you meant there. But training something HARD ENOUGH for 10 years, yes, it will reveal to you what works FOR YOU and what DOES NOT. You're operating in semantics, and (beg pardon) I think gettin lost. The TRAINING teaches, not a series of techniques memorized. The brain doesn't do the fighting, the muscle memory does. Forget the techniques after you reach an intermediate level--vids such as this are merely reference, conjecture, ideas, and really good ones.
If I disregarded anything based on how it LOOKS in videos, I would never had started BJJ (initially, it looked like a stupid meathead's game of grabass lol), and I never would have started Kali (thought it was hooey just for movies like Bourne and The Hunted). In any case, if you don't WANT to be covinced, I cant convince you. I'm just putting in my $0.02 from what I've garnered from 13 years of MA experience and then tossing my bias away and giving KFM a try. ;)
"How exactly do you train the specific technique/sequence/whatever shown in the video? (So that it will eventually start working)?" I don't know how else to say it: YOU JUST TRAIN IT. You find a partner, and you train it. That's it. Vids alone cant train you, and the KFM guys acknowledge this. They say, "use our vids for reference, but please, step outside and train with live environment." I know, b/c I train with them. I mean...no hard feelins meant, but that really is the answer.
Hm, do you train? As in BJJ you first learn by your opponent giving NO RESISTANCE, so that you can test the move out, then progressively add resistance, and then you adapt to the changes by adding an idea here, an idea there, etc. You say the guy will probably stand up-and that's what KFM also studies stand-up, as well.This is what most martial arts call a "series," helping the mind to string along attacks-like jazz, you can change it and make it up as you go later only if you master the basics.
@basejjj4321 You most certainly begin learning techniques with zero resistance; but that's only the beginning. I'd say it's only a 5% of learning any technique - anybody can beat an outstretched arm. It's the pressure testing where you refine it and also separate solid techs from unworkable crap. If you have to adjust 90% of the original technique to make it work, well, the original technique was probably shitty to begin with.
I didn't discuss KFM, I questioned this particular technique.
The best way I've ever heard it explained is by an old instructor of mine--he said it's like your alphabet. At first, you write between the lines very carefully, making a perfect letter A. Now, if someone kept pushing you while you were trying to write your perfect A, you would never learn how to write it correctly--it would be a jumbled mess. And later, after you've got it down, you do it in cursive, and it looks nothing like how you first learned it. Then, you write sentences.
cont'd--you write sentences like "The monkey jumps," when in real life you will never write that exact sentence. You then go on to write paragraphs, essays, and, if you are creative enough, your own stories--ideas that your teacher never even conceived. But they did their job and taught you the alphabet and how to string the letters together to form thoughts. Now, I don't even think when I spell things--it just comes to me. The more I've trained, the more "correct" my writing is. MA is same.
@basejjj4321 So you are basically saying that the above technique is a variant of "The monkey jumps", ie one that you will never use in real life. That's basically what I said - that it looks very contrived and you couldn't use it that way.
The question remains, then, how do you train this "seated fighting" - do you sit on a chair with your partner and attempt to wrestle each other down? Because that's the only way I see you could train such a skill.
Never said it was contrived--never said it was "monkey jumps." It's environmental. KFM is different in that, whereas BJJ's environ is the ground without strikes so that you can master maneuverability on the ground, KFM's environmental training is 3-dimensional--really, there aren't too many arts that think of it like that, sadly. Here, they are demonstraing that you might be seated in a car, at a bar, or WHEREVER sitting down, and here's how cont'd...
You still haven't answered the question - do you ACTUALY WRESTLE sitting on a chair, or do you only do CONTRIVED drills there? But good job avoiding answering it.
KFM kind of thinks of it. Use the table: check. Use the chair: check. Use the POSITION the chairs put you in: check.The point of this video is quite clear an that's all its meant to do is make this point: KFM considers TABLES and CARS and GRAVEL and the CURB and PAVEMENT and MULTIPLE OPPs and so on. Look I love BJJ, train it almost daily; I love Thai an other arts--but NONE of them EVER come close to lookin @ this kind o thing. Thats it. For all other answers-TRAIN. Trainin answers all.
Do you actually FIGHT with chairs and tables, or do you do only contrived drills simulating this?
Only the right kind of training "answers all" - I know lot of aikidokas who train religiously and still suck at fighting. So don't you go "training macht frei" on me.
You'll either love it or hate it, but how ever you feel at the end, you'll at least be able to answer your own questions. At the very least you'll have a better idea of what it's all about.
Last thing I'll say--the founders of KFM know what they're doing. Trust me. They're training Special Forces in different countries, so I don't think they've fooled major militaries with illusions, tricks, and a just a good sales pitch. Their sales pitch is their performance when push comes to shove. Andy, one of the founders, is always saying, "Just let the doubters doubt, or else train, and that'll take care of the 'yeah buts...' " Still curious. Do you train anything?
Yeah, almost every disfunctional martial art claims that their almighty masters are unbeatable and train Special Forces, Navy Seals etc. so that only makes me trust it less. I also don't believe there was any actual "performance" to verify KFM. But that still hasn't anything to do with this particular technique, has it?
I purposefuly hadn't answered your question, because it's just an attempt for passive-agressive indirection. But if you must know - then yeah, I do.
Um, wow, the aggression in your replies is staggering. And you assume too much--I was not attempting "passive-aggressive" indirection, I was JUST FREAKIN CURIOUS. Ever happen to you sometims? And, yes, KFM (me included) DOES FIGHT IN CHAIRS, as well as standing, sitting, kneeling, and they drill. Not sure what you mean by "contrived" drills--drills are how military personnel learn how to disassemble and reassemble their weapon in just a few seconds.
I'm not really agressive, I'm just blunt. It's even exacerbated because I have to be succinct due to the space constrains.
If you actually spar sitting sitting on chairs, well,that's cool. I'd like to see that, maybe they could make video of that - so that we could see if it looks anything like the technique above.
Soldiers indeed drill disasembling their weapons, but weapons don't hit back and struggle, so really, that's a weak analogy.
I dont think it's a weak analogy at all. Indeed the weapons DONT hit back but the point is to learn to how to disassemble them so that you can clean, reload or repair them under pressure, without thought, even with bullets zipping by your head. I was talkin about the muscle memory aspect of repetition, and referring to the usefulness of drills. In other words, while the drill may look contrived, once I try it, I often find it has a purpose. It's GOING somewhere. Anyway, gotta train now--yeehaw!
You said i still hadn't answered your question, but actually I DID. Several times. I can't help it if you didn't see the answer in writing. Not trying to be a smartass, but you are, so I'm trying to be as blunt as possible. Also, as to the akidokas who "train religiously and still suck," I don't even know where to begin...suck at fighting HOW, with WHOM, in what ENVIRONMENT, with HOW MANY OPPONENTS, etc.? In other words, look how an art trains. One-on-one looking for joint locks or a constant...
cont'd...stream of opponents, getting used to it, becoming quite calm in the face of danger? That's all a good system should purport to be, ideal for ITS ENVIRONMENT. For instance, BJJ is virtually unmatched on ground b/c thats where it focuses, and Filipino arts are virtually unmatched in weapons training b/c thats their focus...same with KFM for multiple opps, same with aikido for joint locking--problems arise when you try to use one art for ANOTHER'S environment--i.e. BJJ vs. knife = trouble
One last thing: I don't think there should be any hard feelings here. I think that arguments (as opposed to open debates) stifle learning. However, Robert Redford had a great way of putting such things: "Put the rubber to the road." I believe he was talking about auto racing & how every1 talks about how their car is the best. If you r interested KFM holds seminars & is available in various schools in US; otherwise, we could talk about theoretical outcomes & "no ways" & "yeah buts" all day. C'ya!
There are no "disfunctional " martial arts their are only disfunctional people. A style does not dictate how well someone fights, for that variable can only be determined by a person him/herself. What ever works for an individual is as efficient as he/she can get. If something works for one person leave it be, if it doesnt work for you than just move on to the next best thing. A fight can happen anywhere and at anytime this could have easily been a bar room scenario.
Negative. Disfunctional martial art is any art that produces lousy fighters on the average. That's it.
Everything else is just sophistry and poor attempt at universalism.
It's the same as one school constantly producing good students and the other one producing bad student. You can certainly say the second on is disfunctional.
Then you're saying that its is the fault of the teachers producing lousy fighters arent you. You said that everything else is a "poor attempt at universalism" of one style per say. Of course its true that if you have two schools get into fight in practice of the same martial art (lets say one you believe is effective) one of them is going to win. Why? better teachers, and more experience ,its still up to the person to decide the outcome of a battle no matter what style he/she is.
Maybe Furiousmat might actually want to TRAIN in the KFM system before commenting on the videos....i have done multiple MA systems over a quarter of a century and I KNOW this is effective. Please....if you only comment after watching them your comments are worthless.
mancub841 2 months ago
I'll say it once and for all. I just watched a couple clips now and.. my conclusion is that this shit just doesn't work. sorry. I was kinda enthusiast at first but it's pure bullshit so far.
furiousmat 7 months ago
I don't get why people click thumbs down. If you think KFM sucks and is useless then don't study it, in fact it should help you out if people are practicing a form of defense that can't helpe them out.
shmabadu 7 months ago
I would probably stand up before throwing a punch
happzy 9 months ago
@happzy But what if the guy grabs around your legs and you fall onto the chair and get knocked out?
Joelmaron 9 months ago
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would this actualy work in a street fight if used correctly? i know the history of this fighting method and how it was started and what the founders have been through in their lives and i know its used in mma. but does it actualy work if im 1 on 1 with a punk?
BustaMonkey1234 1 year ago
@BustaMonkey1234 oh yes it does indeed. i've been doing this for about 6 months now and it opens up lots of areas on the body that you wouldnt think would be effective in a fight. the way it looks is completely different to the way it feels. i get into alot of scraps around my area n its proved really fucking effective. it also depends on your attitude aswell if you dont have the right aggressive attitude in a fight to defend yourself how the fight ends is how you look at it.
vamp606 1 year ago
Because someone int that situation is going to throw just one punch?
rico91stang 1 year ago
A very effective martial arts based on the rough-tumble and brawling mostly found in barroom fights and on the streets. It is a very defensive art but do not mistraslate that it is easily usable in a prized ring or octagon because sports and self-defense arts are very different, even the orientation and direction of focus is different. I would gladly employ KFM into my self-defense regimen anyday but I will think twice of sticking only to it when fighting in a match that is officiated and ref'd.
DeathlyHalcyon 1 year ago
What would u do if you had attackers attacking from seats on either side of you/
I trained SF and swat, our first rule is move away from the attack zone, just in case there is more than one attacker or there are firearms or sharp objects involved. grappeling methods place one in serious risk as mobility is lost . Great concept tho I will look at the rest of your vids
chentaichiacademy 1 year ago
Nice move, you can really mess up some dude at your next board meeting! The fight scenes in Batman were pretty cool, but I'd like to see this method used in real life, like in the UFC for example.
TonyN737 1 year ago
@TonyN737
Real Life = UFC?
Dude, UFC is a SPORT, with rules and a ring and a referee. That's not 'real life'.
RandomShellAccount 11 months ago
@RandomShellAccount I meant as opposed to a movie. Yes, the UFC is real life, but you're right, it's a sport, not a street fight, obviously.
TonyN737 11 months ago
looks like he's whacking you at 0:33
test488 1 year ago
this looks good from the point of view that you're protecting your head etc while using your arm positioning etc to attack, impressive.
GODLIKE20000 1 year ago
Are there any real video fight clips out there ? All the videos I have seen are choreographed. Would like to see keysi vs BJJ or anything not staged. Big deal they used it on BATMAN. Batman is not real.
bigschatz1 2 years ago
I would as well.
Ronnock 2 years ago
I love KFM for the variety of things that it throws your way. They always have situations because Justo and Andy both are well trained and have some real life experience with actual violence. This is a good way to know if a system of methods for fighting will work or not. I hope to see more quick vids like these, it just helps enhance the training I'm doing with KFM currently.
mikereis77 2 years ago
I like the look, but, it seems like a complicated method with too many steps to break down and remember.
skinnerprincipal 2 years ago
I believe--from my understanding of the KFM philosophy--that while it looks like a lot of convoluted steps, the idea is that once you've ascertained an idea of how to fight, you then fight instinctually in regards to the fight you're in. You just do what you feel is best for that particular moment in time and then continue from there.
Ronnock 2 years ago
A crucifix in a chair. Cool.
AmericanMonk247 2 years ago
Yeah looks cool, but requires about 10 specific movements to be done in a sequence, without the "victim" doing anything about it.
CarNikolaj 2 years ago
Not really, CarNikolaj. Train it and get the principles, train for a few years, and then it all ceases to be a "series of moves that need to be completed" in order to get an adequate end result. If you've trained hard enough and long enough it's all just One Happening and then it's over. I've trained for 10 years, and my idea of what martial arts were then, and my comprehension of them now, have almost nothing in common. Same with this video--everything I see him do, it looks really very simple.
basejjj4321 2 years ago
That sounds very nice in theory. However, the same theory is often used to justify training stupid, impractical movements - that they one day somehow start to work (they wont). So that tells us nothing.
So really - how exactly will you train this specific "it" (shown in the video) - what training method will you use for the "long time'?
CarNikolaj 2 years ago
I'm not sure I understand. What "theory" are you talking about? I train regularly, so fighting is no theory to me any longer, fo fighting is practical, it's applicable, and it's fact. Train something hard enough, I assure you, it works. I've got brown belt in BJJ, 2nd black in JKD, and black in Kali; I have become jaded throughout the years, was skeptical of KFM, but I TRIED IT, and its benefits are undeniable. Trust me: just TRY it before you knock it. And give it a REAL try, not just 1 class.
basejjj4321 2 years ago
Whatever you write here is by necessity a "theory";You postulated something about a real-life phenomenon. That's theory. It also has nothing to do with whether you can or cannot fight.
For example, "Train something hard enough, I assure you, it works" is a theory and also not true. Train an impractical technique for 10 years, it's still impractical and you wasted 10 years.
CarNikolaj 2 years ago
"By 'necessity' theory"?--Not sure what you meant there. But training something HARD ENOUGH for 10 years, yes, it will reveal to you what works FOR YOU and what DOES NOT. You're operating in semantics, and (beg pardon) I think gettin lost. The TRAINING teaches, not a series of techniques memorized. The brain doesn't do the fighting, the muscle memory does. Forget the techniques after you reach an intermediate level--vids such as this are merely reference, conjecture, ideas, and really good ones.
basejjj4321 2 years ago
If I disregarded anything based on how it LOOKS in videos, I would never had started BJJ (initially, it looked like a stupid meathead's game of grabass lol), and I never would have started Kali (thought it was hooey just for movies like Bourne and The Hunted). In any case, if you don't WANT to be covinced, I cant convince you. I'm just putting in my $0.02 from what I've garnered from 13 years of MA experience and then tossing my bias away and giving KFM a try. ;)
Peace
basejjj4321 2 years ago
But let me repeat my original question, perhaps you missed it:
How exactly do you train the specific technique/sequence/whatever shown in the video? (So that it will eventually start working)?
CarNikolaj 2 years ago
"How exactly do you train the specific technique/sequence/whatever shown in the video? (So that it will eventually start working)?" I don't know how else to say it: YOU JUST TRAIN IT. You find a partner, and you train it. That's it. Vids alone cant train you, and the KFM guys acknowledge this. They say, "use our vids for reference, but please, step outside and train with live environment." I know, b/c I train with them. I mean...no hard feelins meant, but that really is the answer.
basejjj4321 2 years ago
I was just wondering, do you train yourself? If so, what? Just curious.
basejjj4321 2 years ago
Just know that the idea of this is when he starts doing it your already fucked and good luck getting out of it...
T5seconds 2 years ago
Yeah, that's precisely the idea I have problem with. That there is such a technique that once begun is uncounterable.
Do you realize that once you block his punch, the dude will probably start trying to stand up and pull you with himself?
The technique is OK if you are fighting a zombie who just stretches out his arms and then relaxes, letting you tie him in knots. Or your girlfriend.
Come on, that's some good use - you can put her in the crucifix and tickle her to death ;-)
CarNikolaj 2 years ago
Hm, do you train? As in BJJ you first learn by your opponent giving NO RESISTANCE, so that you can test the move out, then progressively add resistance, and then you adapt to the changes by adding an idea here, an idea there, etc. You say the guy will probably stand up-and that's what KFM also studies stand-up, as well.This is what most martial arts call a "series," helping the mind to string along attacks-like jazz, you can change it and make it up as you go later only if you master the basics.
basejjj4321 2 years ago
@basejjj4321 You most certainly begin learning techniques with zero resistance; but that's only the beginning. I'd say it's only a 5% of learning any technique - anybody can beat an outstretched arm. It's the pressure testing where you refine it and also separate solid techs from unworkable crap. If you have to adjust 90% of the original technique to make it work, well, the original technique was probably shitty to begin with.
I didn't discuss KFM, I questioned this particular technique.
CarNikolaj 2 years ago
The best way I've ever heard it explained is by an old instructor of mine--he said it's like your alphabet. At first, you write between the lines very carefully, making a perfect letter A. Now, if someone kept pushing you while you were trying to write your perfect A, you would never learn how to write it correctly--it would be a jumbled mess. And later, after you've got it down, you do it in cursive, and it looks nothing like how you first learned it. Then, you write sentences.
basejjj4321 2 years ago
cont'd--you write sentences like "The monkey jumps," when in real life you will never write that exact sentence. You then go on to write paragraphs, essays, and, if you are creative enough, your own stories--ideas that your teacher never even conceived. But they did their job and taught you the alphabet and how to string the letters together to form thoughts. Now, I don't even think when I spell things--it just comes to me. The more I've trained, the more "correct" my writing is. MA is same.
basejjj4321 2 years ago
@basejjj4321 So you are basically saying that the above technique is a variant of "The monkey jumps", ie one that you will never use in real life. That's basically what I said - that it looks very contrived and you couldn't use it that way.
The question remains, then, how do you train this "seated fighting" - do you sit on a chair with your partner and attempt to wrestle each other down? Because that's the only way I see you could train such a skill.
CarNikolaj 2 years ago
Never said it was contrived--never said it was "monkey jumps." It's environmental. KFM is different in that, whereas BJJ's environ is the ground without strikes so that you can master maneuverability on the ground, KFM's environmental training is 3-dimensional--really, there aren't too many arts that think of it like that, sadly. Here, they are demonstraing that you might be seated in a car, at a bar, or WHEREVER sitting down, and here's how cont'd...
basejjj4321 2 years ago
You still haven't answered the question - do you ACTUALY WRESTLE sitting on a chair, or do you only do CONTRIVED drills there? But good job avoiding answering it.
CarNikolaj 2 years ago
KFM kind of thinks of it. Use the table: check. Use the chair: check. Use the POSITION the chairs put you in: check.The point of this video is quite clear an that's all its meant to do is make this point: KFM considers TABLES and CARS and GRAVEL and the CURB and PAVEMENT and MULTIPLE OPPs and so on. Look I love BJJ, train it almost daily; I love Thai an other arts--but NONE of them EVER come close to lookin @ this kind o thing. Thats it. For all other answers-TRAIN. Trainin answers all.
basejjj4321 2 years ago
Do you actually FIGHT with chairs and tables, or do you do only contrived drills simulating this?
Only the right kind of training "answers all" - I know lot of aikidokas who train religiously and still suck at fighting. So don't you go "training macht frei" on me.
CarNikolaj 2 years ago
Why not do a KFM class?
You'll either love it or hate it, but how ever you feel at the end, you'll at least be able to answer your own questions. At the very least you'll have a better idea of what it's all about.
louiscreagh 2 years ago 2
here here, most agreed
britishfedor 2 years ago 3
Last thing I'll say--the founders of KFM know what they're doing. Trust me. They're training Special Forces in different countries, so I don't think they've fooled major militaries with illusions, tricks, and a just a good sales pitch. Their sales pitch is their performance when push comes to shove. Andy, one of the founders, is always saying, "Just let the doubters doubt, or else train, and that'll take care of the 'yeah buts...' " Still curious. Do you train anything?
basejjj4321 2 years ago
Yeah, almost every disfunctional martial art claims that their almighty masters are unbeatable and train Special Forces, Navy Seals etc. so that only makes me trust it less. I also don't believe there was any actual "performance" to verify KFM. But that still hasn't anything to do with this particular technique, has it?
I purposefuly hadn't answered your question, because it's just an attempt for passive-agressive indirection. But if you must know - then yeah, I do.
CarNikolaj 2 years ago
Um, wow, the aggression in your replies is staggering. And you assume too much--I was not attempting "passive-aggressive" indirection, I was JUST FREAKIN CURIOUS. Ever happen to you sometims? And, yes, KFM (me included) DOES FIGHT IN CHAIRS, as well as standing, sitting, kneeling, and they drill. Not sure what you mean by "contrived" drills--drills are how military personnel learn how to disassemble and reassemble their weapon in just a few seconds.
basejjj4321 2 years ago
I'm not really agressive, I'm just blunt. It's even exacerbated because I have to be succinct due to the space constrains.
If you actually spar sitting sitting on chairs, well,that's cool. I'd like to see that, maybe they could make video of that - so that we could see if it looks anything like the technique above.
Soldiers indeed drill disasembling their weapons, but weapons don't hit back and struggle, so really, that's a weak analogy.
CarNikolaj 2 years ago
I dont think it's a weak analogy at all. Indeed the weapons DONT hit back but the point is to learn to how to disassemble them so that you can clean, reload or repair them under pressure, without thought, even with bullets zipping by your head. I was talkin about the muscle memory aspect of repetition, and referring to the usefulness of drills. In other words, while the drill may look contrived, once I try it, I often find it has a purpose. It's GOING somewhere. Anyway, gotta train now--yeehaw!
basejjj4321 2 years ago
You said i still hadn't answered your question, but actually I DID. Several times. I can't help it if you didn't see the answer in writing. Not trying to be a smartass, but you are, so I'm trying to be as blunt as possible. Also, as to the akidokas who "train religiously and still suck," I don't even know where to begin...suck at fighting HOW, with WHOM, in what ENVIRONMENT, with HOW MANY OPPONENTS, etc.? In other words, look how an art trains. One-on-one looking for joint locks or a constant...
basejjj4321 2 years ago
cont'd...stream of opponents, getting used to it, becoming quite calm in the face of danger? That's all a good system should purport to be, ideal for ITS ENVIRONMENT. For instance, BJJ is virtually unmatched on ground b/c thats where it focuses, and Filipino arts are virtually unmatched in weapons training b/c thats their focus...same with KFM for multiple opps, same with aikido for joint locking--problems arise when you try to use one art for ANOTHER'S environment--i.e. BJJ vs. knife = trouble
basejjj4321 2 years ago
One last thing: I don't think there should be any hard feelings here. I think that arguments (as opposed to open debates) stifle learning. However, Robert Redford had a great way of putting such things: "Put the rubber to the road." I believe he was talking about auto racing & how every1 talks about how their car is the best. If you r interested KFM holds seminars & is available in various schools in US; otherwise, we could talk about theoretical outcomes & "no ways" & "yeah buts" all day. C'ya!
basejjj4321 2 years ago
There are no "disfunctional " martial arts their are only disfunctional people. A style does not dictate how well someone fights, for that variable can only be determined by a person him/herself. What ever works for an individual is as efficient as he/she can get. If something works for one person leave it be, if it doesnt work for you than just move on to the next best thing. A fight can happen anywhere and at anytime this could have easily been a bar room scenario.
davidwebb14 2 years ago 14
Negative. Disfunctional martial art is any art that produces lousy fighters on the average. That's it.
Everything else is just sophistry and poor attempt at universalism.
It's the same as one school constantly producing good students and the other one producing bad student. You can certainly say the second on is disfunctional.
CarNikolaj 2 years ago
Then you're saying that its is the fault of the teachers producing lousy fighters arent you. You said that everything else is a "poor attempt at universalism" of one style per say. Of course its true that if you have two schools get into fight in practice of the same martial art (lets say one you believe is effective) one of them is going to win. Why? better teachers, and more experience ,its still up to the person to decide the outcome of a battle no matter what style he/she is.
davidwebb14 2 years ago
@davidwebb14 well said.
HYBRIDCOMBATIVES 3 weeks ago
Anyway, phew! That's my $0.02, and that's been my experience. ;-)
basejjj4321 2 years ago
nice.....put more up
cedricfjackson 2 years ago
very nice
zeerebel 2 years ago
what is the name of the song that starts around like 55 sec?
KFMBJJ 2 years ago
DEFINITELY!!!!!!!
Pensataq 2 years ago