This past august I was in "wallyworld" and they had this huge bin of corn on the cob. The center of it was putting off heat. Needless to say I didn't buy that corn, as it was already composting.
Trying to accomplish 2 green power tasks. Please, help. Need a bottom heat source for a Winter rooting bed for cuttings (80-90 *F) . Possibly, using a Nearing Frame.
Secondly, I'm making a misting bed for Summertime rooting cuttings. I need to provide pressure to a water tank in order to provide water to the misting heads.... any good Green ideas would be welcomed...
Dig below the frost line. Layer lots of greens and some browns for several inches, then cover with browns. If you keep that covered with a black tarp, it should keep things warm.
To create pressure, raise the tank above the mist heads with the smallest outlet to feed the heads as possible. The narrower the tank, the more pressure will be exuded upon the bottom where the outlet is.
newton2013 is correct-o-mundo... ive seen it happen, i used to work for asplundh tree experts and i have seen the dump site just catch fire from piling it too high... you have to stick copper pipes in at different depths like chimneys to let the heat/gases escape.
also... if you give tree companies just ONE chance to dump on your property they will keep coming until you lock the gate...
With proper setup and controls, a person could have a big savings with in floor or under floor hot water heat. The same system could supply shower and washer water as was mentioned in the video. Good Job.
Jean Pain - A french innovator who developed a compost based bio energy system that produced 100% of his energy needs. He heated water to 60 degrees celsius at a rate of 4 litres a minute which he used for washing and heating. He also distilled enough methane to run an electricity generator, cooking elements, and power his truck. This method of creating usable energy from composting materials has come to be known as Jean Pain Composting, or the Jean Pain Method
I've been recycling woodchips lately. I have very poor soil, just sand really. I got a tree service to bring a load to me. I and my neighbors used the hell out of it. Some was "pretty" and was used for that purpose. Most of it wasn't and I mulched trees and bushes around here, and scattered much of it thinly in areas where nothing wanted to grow. Every spot is green and all it cost me was some sweat. It also saved the tree trimmers $120, the cost of dumping it.
Now, find out how to heat water that hot in cold climates and find out how to cool water off to almost freezing in your climate and you'll have something useful.
This is an interesting and well-known biological phenomenon but I honestly don't see any practical and scalable applications other than for composting lovers.
When ever you mulch material like this, one must stir it often and be careful. It's common for these types of mulch piles to catch on fire. Same thing happens with old hay mulching. I've known of someone who lost their entire barn to a fire caused by decomposing hay. And I myself have had a mulching pile of chips catch on fire before a few years back. Just be careful.
For anyone intrested I sugest looking up "Jean Pain compost method" on youtube, there is a couple of videos that goes into more detail about this method of heating.
In an intro to soil systems class in college (once upon a time) we were able to get several specialized (accounting for chemical composition) combinations of yard debris to generate internal temperatures well in excess of 140F. You should be able to get the proper combo well in excess of 160F as that is the requirement for true, safe, organic dirt.
Well water at 70 F? That's warm, but then again I live in Illinois, where municipal water is 55? I ned to measure it, but I know that it's not 70 F since the water pipes are about 8 to 10 feet down. PS: You'll need extra Nitrogen if you use the wood chips as mulch. The decomposition process removes nitrogen, and leaves the soil deficient.
I think landfills are designed to minimise decomposition. All that garbage is just sitting there. Plus a lot of it won't be organic compostable material. Good idea though.
@RobC532 Yes, I have seem them lining it with thick plastic, I thinks its cos of leaching bad water into the earth.?. They are taking Gas off it in Durban though.
A common mistake folk make is assuming that sunshine is the source of the heat, that it somehow builds up in the mulch. We know that's not true and that the actual decomposition is the heat source. Winter or summer... it gets HOT!
A big enough pile of mulch will heat water in the dead of a canadian winter. Not quite hot enough to call it "water heater hot", but enough to sure take some load off your actual water heater.
Find video of Jean Pain, who used this to heat water through loops of hose embedded in the mulch. Also he collected the methane. Even in the winter it stayed hot.
I remember some biodome experiment in tuscon involving heavily mulched soil. The decomposition of the mulch created more CO2 than the plants benefiting from the mulch and they were unable to maintain atmospheric equilibrium because of it.
I spent 12 months doing this check out my channel. To do it right you need finer shredded mulch. You can see the heat I had in mid winter. Check out my channel to see what I did with mine and the temps I got.
That's pretty incredible. I think there should be some way to continually convert piles of this stuff into fertilizer and sell it, but at the same time help heat your home hot water. Maybe pre-heat it or something. Very interesting.
Dan I wonder if the temp gets warm enough to move fluid through a compressor and produce mechanical refrigeration? Also wonder if this is a good way to heat a home in the winter rather than burning the wood would coils in the floor of a home with a composter that you can rotate or change out for a fresh batch?
You can actually get more energy out of wood if you compost it to make hot water and collect the gas. The scientifics have always thought that you'll get the maximum amount of energy by burning stuff. It's amazing what life can do!!!
You should start having them dump it in your garden, if you are done gardening for the year, then till it in and by spring it will all be gone. The soil seems to break down stuff a lot faster than composting.
If even you clean the stuff is in there use a clean item never any thing with cleaner in it ever it not safe
pencilart360 3 days ago
This past august I was in "wallyworld" and they had this huge bin of corn on the cob. The center of it was putting off heat. Needless to say I didn't buy that corn, as it was already composting.
2JobsStillPoorUSA 4 months ago
Thanks
Teddybearcop48 5 months ago
how long did this pile continue to produce heat??
grandmastermicochero 6 months ago
you can used that for power by useing a Peltier cooler.
jone3333333333 8 months ago
This is incredible. Looking at ideas for a project in Africa. This could come in very handy. Any idea what the addition of chicken manure would do?
kleinpikkewyn 1 year ago
When a compost gets too dry and too hot, it can catch fire. Compost heat is such an ignored resource.
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hungarylnnjsd 1 year ago
Trying to accomplish 2 green power tasks. Please, help. Need a bottom heat source for a Winter rooting bed for cuttings (80-90 *F) . Possibly, using a Nearing Frame.
Secondly, I'm making a misting bed for Summertime rooting cuttings. I need to provide pressure to a water tank in order to provide water to the misting heads.... any good Green ideas would be welcomed...
swizzlecheeks 1 year ago
@swizzlecheeks
Dig below the frost line. Layer lots of greens and some browns for several inches, then cover with browns. If you keep that covered with a black tarp, it should keep things warm.
To create pressure, raise the tank above the mist heads with the smallest outlet to feed the heads as possible. The narrower the tank, the more pressure will be exuded upon the bottom where the outlet is.
MrKevMan 1 year ago
newton2013 is correct-o-mundo... ive seen it happen, i used to work for asplundh tree experts and i have seen the dump site just catch fire from piling it too high... you have to stick copper pipes in at different depths like chimneys to let the heat/gases escape.
also... if you give tree companies just ONE chance to dump on your property they will keep coming until you lock the gate...
unclesonnyonutube 1 year ago
With proper setup and controls, a person could have a big savings with in floor or under floor hot water heat. The same system could supply shower and washer water as was mentioned in the video. Good Job.
AirEngineResearch 1 year ago
make sure you compost pile doesn't get too hot, they can spontaneously combust...
newton2013 1 year ago
Neat, can you say "Jean Pain"?!
Jean Pain - A french innovator who developed a compost based bio energy system that produced 100% of his energy needs. He heated water to 60 degrees celsius at a rate of 4 litres a minute which he used for washing and heating. He also distilled enough methane to run an electricity generator, cooking elements, and power his truck. This method of creating usable energy from composting materials has come to be known as Jean Pain Composting, or the Jean Pain Method
csreeves 1 year ago 8
I've been recycling woodchips lately. I have very poor soil, just sand really. I got a tree service to bring a load to me. I and my neighbors used the hell out of it. Some was "pretty" and was used for that purpose. Most of it wasn't and I mulched trees and bushes around here, and scattered much of it thinly in areas where nothing wanted to grow. Every spot is green and all it cost me was some sweat. It also saved the tree trimmers $120, the cost of dumping it.
LastCupOSorrow 1 year ago
Now, find out how to heat water that hot in cold climates and find out how to cool water off to almost freezing in your climate and you'll have something useful.
tzkelley 1 year ago
it's gonna burn your grass.
starwarssith 1 year ago
Great to see you again Man! I love this stuff, Jean Pain Method is so inspirational. You and your lovely wife are also an inspiration. :)
Tyler Heal...
tallyhoroad 1 year ago
@mtolives I think it's illegal to compost your lover...;-)
HernaicTom 1 year ago 2
This is an interesting and well-known biological phenomenon but I honestly don't see any practical and scalable applications other than for composting lovers.
mtolives 1 year ago
@mtolives I think food is practical, and scalable.
alexhouchens 1 year ago
Nice biothermal resource. =^[.]^=
Raycheetah 1 year ago
What was the 8-day temperature? Did you take that?
BeeRich33 1 year ago
When ever you mulch material like this, one must stir it often and be careful. It's common for these types of mulch piles to catch on fire. Same thing happens with old hay mulching. I've known of someone who lost their entire barn to a fire caused by decomposing hay. And I myself have had a mulching pile of chips catch on fire before a few years back. Just be careful.
StarrJaded 1 year ago
Is it possible to generate biogas from wood mulch? Like putting it in a sealed container(to go anaerob), with a pipe to drain the gas formed.
Madarpok 1 year ago
cool!
koenstr 1 year ago
Yeah, need a big LTD Stirling running off this stuff!
specallez 1 year ago
I thought water boils @ 100 degrees??
Cheejyg 1 year ago
@Cheejyg - water boils at 100°C or 212°F. Dan was measuring in °F.
thomas533 1 year ago
@Cheejyg That's in Celsius, not fahrenheit.
MrAgreeandDisagree 1 year ago
Another good video dan.
Here's a nice one where they put the heat to good use.
/watch?v=-Jm-c9B2_ew
DoblyTufnell 1 year ago
Awesome
edstar83 1 year ago
this is interesting
t0p0l1eve4 1 year ago
For anyone intrested I sugest looking up "Jean Pain compost method" on youtube, there is a couple of videos that goes into more detail about this method of heating.
Lacider 1 year ago
Nice idea for no power sustainability
Thanks
solspice 1 year ago
really freking cool
rlocke2 1 year ago
Wonder if you could run a Stirling engine off that temperature difference.
vention4wh 1 year ago
In an intro to soil systems class in college (once upon a time) we were able to get several specialized (accounting for chemical composition) combinations of yard debris to generate internal temperatures well in excess of 140F. You should be able to get the proper combo well in excess of 160F as that is the requirement for true, safe, organic dirt.
ponyryan 1 year ago
If needed you could boil egs in that.
joelito101 1 year ago
Well water at 70 F? That's warm, but then again I live in Illinois, where municipal water is 55? I ned to measure it, but I know that it's not 70 F since the water pipes are about 8 to 10 feet down. PS: You'll need extra Nitrogen if you use the wood chips as mulch. The decomposition process removes nitrogen, and leaves the soil deficient.
jazz61021 1 year ago
For the non Yanks, 110 is about 43C, Good for a hot shower.
Greatbloke 1 year ago
Why not run water lines though land fills then?
AmericanConcrete 1 year ago 10
@AmericanConcrete because if one pipe breaks, all the water would get polluted
MrStartrekepisodes 1 year ago
@AmericanConcrete
Land fills arent decomopsing ): hence all the media about how bad landfills are. There is no oxygen for the trash to decompose.
kami3233 1 year ago
@AmericanConcrete
I think landfills are designed to minimise decomposition. All that garbage is just sitting there. Plus a lot of it won't be organic compostable material. Good idea though.
RobC532 1 year ago
@RobC532 Yes, I have seem them lining it with thick plastic, I thinks its cos of leaching bad water into the earth.?. They are taking Gas off it in Durban though.
SaveDurban 1 year ago
@AmericanConcrete im guessing the bull-dozers might wreck the lines or the weight might wreck it.
AtvProjects 1 year ago
@AmericanConcrete Because we are stupid.
cchanderson 10 months ago
what kinda stupid animal would crawl in that hot hole and get stuck there?
AmericanConcrete 1 year ago 4
@AmericanConcrete All of them. Animals like hot, tight shelters.
paranoidnews 1 year ago
@paranoidnews so do men. :D
Sturrmm 1 year ago
@Sturrmm LMAO Good point!
paranoidnews 1 year ago
@AmericanConcrete I've crawled into some hot holes...
Frosttty 1 year ago
A common mistake folk make is assuming that sunshine is the source of the heat, that it somehow builds up in the mulch. We know that's not true and that the actual decomposition is the heat source. Winter or summer... it gets HOT!
mrsparex 1 year ago
A big enough pile of mulch will heat water in the dead of a canadian winter. Not quite hot enough to call it "water heater hot", but enough to sure take some load off your actual water heater.
TheBetterGame 1 year ago
A+ Dan
apeinacrate76 1 year ago
Your neighbors must think you are crazy.
oisiaa 1 year ago
Find video of Jean Pain, who used this to heat water through loops of hose embedded in the mulch. Also he collected the methane. Even in the winter it stayed hot.
hughtub 1 year ago
I remember some biodome experiment in tuscon involving heavily mulched soil. The decomposition of the mulch created more CO2 than the plants benefiting from the mulch and they were unable to maintain atmospheric equilibrium because of it.
GreatInca 1 year ago
Great video, be careful with mulch piles because they can catch fire if not monitored properly.
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I spent 12 months doing this check out my channel. To do it right you need finer shredded mulch. You can see the heat I had in mid winter. Check out my channel to see what I did with mine and the temps I got.
marthale7 1 year ago 2
That's pretty incredible. I think there should be some way to continually convert piles of this stuff into fertilizer and sell it, but at the same time help heat your home hot water. Maybe pre-heat it or something. Very interesting.
youtubasoarus 1 year ago
Dan I wonder if the temp gets warm enough to move fluid through a compressor and produce mechanical refrigeration? Also wonder if this is a good way to heat a home in the winter rather than burning the wood would coils in the floor of a home with a composter that you can rotate or change out for a fresh batch?
cdltpx 1 year ago
Interesting
neonshoji 1 year ago
You can actually get more energy out of wood if you compost it to make hot water and collect the gas. The scientifics have always thought that you'll get the maximum amount of energy by burning stuff. It's amazing what life can do!!!
CHECK OUT "JEAN PAIN COMPOST" ON YT
Great video(s) thanks
sk8board44 1 year ago
You should start having them dump it in your garden, if you are done gardening for the year, then till it in and by spring it will all be gone. The soil seems to break down stuff a lot faster than composting.
MrHorsetail 1 year ago
Very interesting!
8nwidth 1 year ago
C or F?
im guessing F.
SCARREDMIND 1 year ago
@SCARREDMIND well seeing as water boils at 100 C, im pretty sure no one in their right mind would put their finger into that so it would be F :D
SeriousBusiness100 1 year ago
@SeriousBusiness100 that's probably degree Fahrenheit
sk8board44 1 year ago
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SCARREDMIND 1 year ago
yeah Dan keep it up
hatchi58 1 year ago
use it to charge a battery or something man, biofuel init
jammybizzle666 1 year ago
great video! too bad theres not much sun in san francisco
spaaceful 1 year ago
:) niceee
TTerboLasers 1 year ago