Real Landing at Hong Kong Kai Tak 13

[008win]

Now, it becomes a constrution site.

[Banom7a]

are this Lufthansa



[77777XYZ]

all people is not equal under the communism china,most of people is so poor,but major communist has so many privilege,car house food etc etc,,,,,,major communist in china just want to keep those privilege,so that why they killed historical amount of their citizen,its typical characteristic of communism,communist kill their against people without any permission necessary,china is perfectly lawless zone,chinese communist party killed historical amount of people for keep major communist`s privilege

[c0stlytech]

what's so scary about landing at this airport?? what the big deal?!?1

[heavisidelayer]

thought my speakers had died, but love the video anyway, i need to improve my sim landings !

[13BigLu13]

ich stell mir des so verdammt schwer vor da zu landen...

[mmichaeldonavon]

Were you just a "tad" high, at the nunbers? The PAPI (?), both sides showed all White, or am I just seeing things. In any event, pleanty of runway left; nice video!

[luckyowl249]

Experienced that AP too; thanks***!

[Idonotwantausernamet]

They can land toward the mountain if the wind is the right direction. Usually, it was not. Landing with a tail-wind would make it impossible to stop before overrunning the runway, so they had to land into the wind.

[A380BritishAirways]

no wonder they closed that place down, doing that in a 747 is rediculous.

[Deltapilot96]

@A380BritishAirways It's not. I'll tell you what's ridicolous. the A380.

[yynnmmbb]

was that final approach and turn in real time or sped up?  christ, it looks like the plane was doing 400 mph

[Deltapilot96]

@yynnmmbb I'm not a real world pilot but I think the normal approach speed is about 140-170 knots. It varies becuase of weight ofcourse but that would make it 280-340 km/h. Since the aircraft is pretty close to the ground you can almost comparing it like driving a car in 300 km/h in the streets below. That's pretty fast. And if you look at the taxiing the plane doesn't go very fast. Btw that's a really small place to taxi on for the 747's @ 2:55

[1982FMJ]

many pilots don't stay as pilots untill retirement. Many quit after 15 or 20 years and pursue other careers. I for one would feel like i might be missing out on stuff on the ground spending 30 years up in the skies. the view of the ground from up there is limited.  It's still a great way to live but some people eventually get fed up of flying commercial jets and quit doing it. Don't go thinking this is all glory

[Deltapilot96]

@1982FMJ Well If I become a pilot, I think I think I would stay until my retirement, since you work 5 days and are free 4 days. That makes it a 50/50 job almost so when you are free you have time to spend with your family, the house and do other things. I think it's ALL glory

[133710048]

Meine Ladung dort ist schon fast 20 Jahre her .... 

[CMRLV]

The plane was too high for landing coz papi lights were all white not 2 red 2 white

[KimmurielBaenre]

RIP Kai-Tak

[GunerIzmir]

this is google earth (joke)

[GunerIzmir]

this is google earth ( joke)

[Singaporepunjaban]

Noticed a bit of crosswind upon final approach...

[MrEthan0329]

i wonder why they cant just land towards the mountain. im sure there is a reason...and what kind of plane is the video taken on?

[YorranSlik]

For go-around procedures. And the wind.

[CurlyBlakey]

@MrEthan0329 they cant because then there isnt sufficient terrain clearance for a go around, also the prevailing winds mean that landing the other way can be really just as tricky

[delta744]

@MrEthan0329  Aircraft 747-400

[Deltapilot96]

@delta744 Boeing 747-400

[BranmasterG]

@MrEthan0329 In the fs9 game I don't make the turn I go over the mountains lol

[Zsido9508]

@MrEthan0329 They cant land towards the mountain as we always want to land into the wind and in Hong Kong the wind almost always blows from the ocean.

[leonelp51]

@MrEthan0329 winds ...

[CathayGuy]

@MrEthan0329 very simple, runway 31 take off was very difficult considering it required an opposite runway 13 approach. THis means immediately after take off airplanes would have to bank a right turn.

[zyxweftr]

@MrEthan0329 they try to land into the wind. also when they landed towards the mountain, landing aircraft had to go all the way to end of the runway as aircraft waiting to takeoff were using the taxiway to get to the runway. that caused major traffic buildups

[dailylegend]

@MrEthan0329 Apparently they did land and take off in the opposite direction. But generally Hong Kong wind conditions made a south east landing more suitable

[gerardflinehan]

@MrEthan0329 Prevailing wind is from the South east

[curseknight5]

@MrEthan0329 The new airport is on a mountain. This one is oldddd.

[Deltapilot96]

@curseknight5 wtf?! the new airport is located on an island outside the city. not a mountain

[ImmortalSynn]

@MrEthan0329

The reason was prevailing winds. You want to land into the wind, as that allows a lower approach speed. During the day, the wind blew in from the sea, making the approach to Rwy13 (over the city) the preferred option.

At early morning, and sometimes night, the opposite was true, which is why the earliest and latest flights often came in on Rwy31 instead.

[steelersfanhawaii]

@ImmortalSynn I thought Kai Tak is a one-runway airport 13 vs 31? is "runway 31" same as "runway 13" only from the opposite direction?

[09GLOCK]

@MrEthan0329 Because it's dangerous in case a go around is needed, then they would fly into the mountain. Also with the famus Hong Kong weather as you know i'm sure it's not very pretty most of the time, visibility is limited and manouvering around mountains without the help of a guidance system is disastrous. Hope it answered your question.

[1053857]

@MrEthan0329 They can land towars the mountains, in fact there is an ILS approach to the runway 31.

[yahul25]

@MrEthan0329 Wind ... Cant exceed tailwind component .

[simonteegl]

@MrEthan0329 due to the wind...they do land and take off towards the mountain

[MrPoohbear40]

@MrEthan0329 the reason WAS (the airport is no more) that the wind would have been too strong at times and it would have blow planes away !

[ImmortalSynn]

@MrEthan0329

They COULD land toward the mountain... but the prevailing winds were usually from the opposite direction. And since most aircraft want to land with a headwind (allows for a slower/safer approach speed), that meant doing the turn into Runway 13.

[MaxIsPro1]

@MrEthan0329 they wouldn't be able to do a 'go around' and if a plane overshot the runway (which happened) instead of going into water it would go into buildings and roads.

[Nowak98765]

how come they closed down this airport just cuz they got bigger one hong kong  intl

[SOEPSTENGEL13]

How do you mean bigger? Kai Tak has only 1 runway and less gates...

[iamgreatish]

@Nowak98765 The reason they closed it is, because the amount of accidents and the danger of the airport and landing on the runway. Not because they had a bigger one.

[KimmurielBaenre]

@iamgreatish All true and also Im willing to bet the value of the property the airport was sitting on ;D There are luxury condos there now

[Jasonxx420xx]

would of been better with sound(Y)

[Philivix]

Is it weird, or it is just me, but i think the sound of the engine is the sexy part of landing.. hmm

[Alender1953]

Holy. Is that water on the right side of the runway?

[lisdoddestraat]

Ans on the left side and aftar the runway olso

[dnhug]

man why did they ever shut down kai tak...!!!!

already the approach was worth flying there!

[CanadianMapleLeaf01]

The closed Kai Tak, because the approach was a bit risky (Checkerbound approach) and a run-over accident with a China Airlines Boeing 747-400 in 1993. What if an airliner crashed in the checker board on the mountain? I agree with you, although I didn't fly to Kai Tak, the videos around here are special with this approach.

[Quicky191]

without sound....it's not so good better with sound!!! 4/5

[raikkonenislikeagod]

so the approach is 100% visual like juliana?

[TDJP123]

yes

[HanGookBoi]

no, you intercept CH VOR at 8000 ft, following a course of 270, at the 7nm mark, turn right heading 045 passing over the SL NDB, then intercept the IGS Loc with a heading of 088, follow the GS + LOC, past the outer marker, follow the middle marker in, disconnect AP, AT at or before the Middle marker and follow checkerboard/lead in light approach using the RW NDB for precision runway alignment.

[mrbeanaswell]

juliana isnt visual, is it? It's a direct fly-in, why should have to be visual?

[montbard]

Yes it was! They are not using this app for 747...

[ArminPr]

You are right. Unfortunately airport is closed!

[hakan737]

very nice record of an excellent landing performance.I wish I heard to listen cockpit and engine sounds at the background.

thanks for sharing.

[geardude56]

5/5

why are the first few feet of runway 13 unusable? Has the asphalt weakened?

[askedenseje]

i think its a safe touchdown zone every runway have it if the plane stalls or something. In other airports is just a cleared field.

[steveac77]

Well, I think it's impossible to land on the first part of the runway. If you like to land there you should establish a descent rate of about 600 to 800 ft/min on the very final approach. And you can't descent before that fast because there's no terrain clearance. So this part of the runway is for takeoffs only.

[Urbanz1975]

That is exactly right, the angle was too steep for landings

[Matt007b]

I think it's called a displaced threshold, basically the weight of the asphalt or concrete can't take the full load of landing but can and is used for taking off. Also you're right it's also used for ground clearance at the same time. Either way pilots are not supposed to land on that area. :)

[JohnDH1977]

The displaced threshold is just to make the runway longer...It may only be used for a takeoff roll or rollout on landing. You may not touch down in the area with the arrows.

[qwerty3862]

what happens it you touchdown at the arrows?

[Jasonxx420xx]

you get your pilots license revoked

[clutchem]

Displaced threshold is primarily put in place for obstacle clearance and has nothing to do with the asphalt not being able to support the weight or for airplane to stop quicker (quick sand effect). They are there for obstacle clearance and at some airports jet blast damage to structures nearby.

[waffen2]

thank god they closed that place

[virginianboy1012]

why do u think they shoulda closed it

[zzddytt]

If the BA777 incident happened at Kai Tak, it would have been catastrophic. This place is a nightmare waiting to happen, and thank god it never did.

[Sinocian]

I don't think this approach is different many around the world. It's kind of like an NDB/DME approach circling to land.

[askedenseje]

the BA777 accident they only had one accident in heathrow..

[robertodawhouse]

What an excellent and thrilling approach and landing.

[einenrauchen]

in all the kai tak videos out there, we dont really get to see the taxiway like in this one, it was really narrow! good video!

[danje10]

OH SO familiar to me! I've done that exact landing hundreds of times. Landing looks a wee bit long, but, nice turn to final -- most overshoot it. That could be my landing rolling by you at 4:10-4-13 (United 747)!

There are so many videos of BAD landings here, this is a refreshing post! Thanks!

Oh- checkerboard is aligned with NDB apr, not IGS, in case someone wonders why plane is headed to the right. If you see it, its time to TURN right!

[chelisito41]

Good video but no sound.  So disapointed.. it is a wonderful shot !

[Manu2455]

Excellent Video, cogratulations.

[bits1010]

From my observation looks like the pilot land way behind the piano keys..... may be they have stronger than expected head winds..... BTW I used to live behind the checkerboard hill so I see planes landing rwy 13 all the time..... good memories...

[kevinthomsons]

Looks like the runway is too old. They should have done a repaint of the lines and markings. Btw, beautiful landing.

[allabouthacking]

why no sound? but sure, it's a great video!!

[Problembaer2]

Hi, seid ihr damals auch links versetzt vom Localizer des IGS angeflogen? Ich habe nämlich gelesen, dass die meisten Piloten von Cathay so angeflogen sind, um sich etwas länger zur Runway ausrichten zu können.

[delta744]

was die Cathay-Piloten gemacht haben, weiss ich natürlich nicht, aber wie man sieht, passt es gut, wenn man korrekt anfliegt und den Wind beachtet.

[majhankee]

Ja, es ist wichtig, den Wind zu beachten. Anderenfalls, das Flugzeug koennte die Piste verpassen oder ueber hinausrollen!

Entschuldige mich fuer mein schlechte Deutsch.

[BerlinBunker1]

In the 1950's I used to take a Douglas DC-6B from Kimpo USAB South Korea into Kai Tak. Some of the approaches and landings were very difficult during Tyfun season, due to high crosswinds and driving rain. The DC-6 is a four engined prop job, and does not have the mass of the heavy jets of today, so sometimes an arrival was quite an adventure, and you could loose five pounds in perspiration.

[Reverseflush]

This is totally fake. Humans can't fly unless they are on an airplane. There's no evidence that these people are on an airplane so theres the conundrum. Cha cha chhha!!

[primussucks]

you're a hero, thank god not everyone thinks planes are this cool. ;)

[VimisiDigitalMedia]

LOL

[TonyFirelli]

your lucky:) is it very hard to turn?

[SriHari1993]

wish flight simulator would be so realistic like this vid!!...the landscapes in it are so unrealistic....

[kaitak94]

Yeah! The training area, is so much higher!

and its more buildings! I'm totaly agree with you! :)

[marko071988]

thanks a lot, this is very useful for fs! most cockpit videos are shaky, and not always focused ont the runway. This one is very clear, precisely shows when to turn! thanks again!!

[mrbobowen]

Where was the camera mounted? The view is remarkably clear and unshaky. Also, does anybody know of similar video taken in good weather. Everyone I have found so far is in poor weather. I know this is typical of the place but there must be some footage in fine weather

[delta744]

The camcorder was mounted on the glareshield. Unfortunately I had only a Video8, not a digital camcorder.

[kimberlyKfnOphiEAGLE]

what airline is this? Thanks.

[delta744]

Lufthansa

[kimberlyKfnOphiEAGLE]

Thank you.

[farmerbrown123]

how do they know when to turn to line up with the runway??

[rockyPants4000]

They use a combination of visual, audio, and timing cues, including distance from the hillside checkerboard signs, a series of lights on the ground that curve toward the runway, their time/distance after passing the IGS middle marker beacon, landmarks, and good old fashioned experience.

[coolantmanuscript]

Thanks for sharing!

[coolantmanuscript]

Kai Tak R.I.P. We all miss you!

[jacksmash0102]

i doubt the folks who lived under the flight path do! haha

[Thomaspilot]

Nice video!!

[globulus1]

No sound?

[ARUWET]

wheres da airport? lol

[yellowlynx]

Breath taking !

[petetheweet]

Great landing, very ballsy!

[Hofyunkee]

good

[Blatpoppin5]

nice video...and nice landing

[Keisuke64]

GOOD