I laugh my ass of ^^ I train Keysi, so I know what it is all about, and what you see in the movie, can be done in real life. All you need is alot of shadow training, and a KFM trainer. Ive trained some fighting methods and I will say that the Keysi fighting method is the best! I would began if I had the chanse if I where you guys!
Keysi seems like a different and very physiologically effective martial art. I sure hope it keeps developing and that having it adopted as "Batman's fighting style" helped it to find new students. I can see what they meant when they chose it, too - using a lighting fast, efficient, effective, brutal, and when you think of it, beast-like martial art suits Bruce's Batman identity very well both because of the practical needs of a crime fighter and because Bruce designed Batman to be ferocious.
Hey man, say what you want about Bruce Wayne. But if he had taken Rache Al Ghoul's daughter from him, then he would have just destroyed Batman, because Rache has acquired many skills. Skills that make him a nightmare for people like Batman.
Bullshido is Bullshit, a haven for professional forum posters wanting to feed they're ego status quo, BJJ is great for the ring. And a 1 on 1 street fight on grass.
@xIegionx Working cause they see it on UFC and right away join a Muay Thai BJJ MMA school? and say it's the only thing that works?, yea ill put they're asses in a stretcher either with broken knee caps or elbows from strikes with my ebony kali stick, or leave they're eyed gouged and muscles destroyed through panankutan. Wait, they need cage rules though right? So i wouldn't be able to use what works??
@Eso1 Actually they don't.They will fight you on a street with any rules aside from weapons. they will even bring a camera. Go to bullshido(dot)net. Go to their forums, sign up go tot he throwdown section and request one. They'll send a fighter. If you want proof they do street fights, they actually beat a keysi-kung fu teacher who didn't believe in bullshido. So they challenged him to a no holds bar in a parking lot. he got beat up by a man 1/4 his weight.
I really like part one of these behind the scenes. Especially when Nolan said that hand to hand fighting had become too much like a dance and lost how serious it is. I also like how brutal Keysi is, but because its so young it does makes some mistakes. Would like to see it 20 years from now though.
@Deathclok Throwin my hat in the ring of debate here, Keysi does work in the cage, at least from guard. I don't know about taking down an entie swat team or attacking 50 armed thugs and coming on top, but it does have it's applications, just like TKD (which we all know doesn't translate well ino the cage).
As for self defense, well I guess everything can work if you do it aggressively and the attacker doesn't know.
MMA by itself with no "traditional" martial arts...is dangerous. There must be a balance between sport martial arts and street only martial arts. So as to not have any disadvantages. Full contact meets displine. I have no experience with Keysi Method so I won't be a jackass and leap to conclussions. If you follow just one dogmatic view of martial arts you limiting yourself.......
Is that christian bale's way of staying in character or does he really talk like that? I swear every other time I heard him speak his accent sounded thicker than that.
Believe it or not, this style of fighting isn't all that good. It's really just marketed, and with the aid fo a film it looks good. Real martial arts is what you see in MMA. No fight would ever look as simple nad as easy as this. His opponent is letting him do these. If he fough ta full resisting opponent it would be different. People, this is just a commercial marketing of bad fighting to market off of Batman.
@Azeritakedownmaster You act as if MMA fighters can't do hammerfists, knees, eye gouges and all the moves that are illegal in the street. Keysi really is a different frm of rapid attack wushu. Which has been proven to not work since MMA fighters have beaten them. If Keysi worked it would be used by MMArtists. But they don't. Because it's just another art that doesn't work. Especially from training methods since they teach people these "moves" with little to no resistance. Main prob with it.
@Dmasterman Realize that the no resistance training is because if the opponent DID resist, there is a possibility of severe injury. And under what circumstances did the MMA fighters win? Ring rules? MMA teaches you sport martial arts, focusing on one person. KFM focuses on fighting against multiple opponents, in the streets, no rules. MMA is excellent, no doubt. But it is not as effective in the streets, just like KFM isn't effective in the ring with one-on-one. Two styles for different cases.
Keysi does not work. If you train your students with no resistant it doesn't work. Go to google video and search up Matt Thornton as he explains why keysi and why many other martial arts don't work.
Just because there are rules sets, do you think MMArtists don't use attacks to the eye or groin? If they can do what they do in a ring WITH rules, imaginge what they can do without them.
@Dmasterman I'm gonna stop this conversation right here instead of getting into a senseless argument on YouTube. You believe what you believe, and I'll believe what I'll believe. No need for us to try and force each other to think the way we want, that's we are independent people :)
@Azeritakedownmaster I'm quite sure it's invincible to those styles. Otherwise we'd see those styles IN MMA wouldn't we?
Also JKD is more of a philosophy and theory than a martial art. Don't agree? look up Tony valente. A JKD Master
Krav maga is also a working Martial art that's used sparsely in MMA. MMA usually means a mix of WORKING martial arts. Keysi is no where, why bother learning something inferior when you can get a superior? Its like using a musket over an automatic rifle
@Azeritakedownmaster The only way a real life person would win is if they had numbers or a lethal weapon, knife or gun, take your pick, then already statistically you are at a disadvantage. Hand to hand? MMA all the way.
See, back when the Gracies had the gracie challenged, they only used BJJ (One of the main working ground styles used in MMA), and had beaten guys who used groin shots, eye gouges and neck strikes. The thing is, they didn't work or couldn't work. So these strikes are moot
@Azeritakedownmaster If martial arts to you is a puzzle, then all the other non working martial arts, are a piece, while MMA is complete.
If it was really about the person, where has there been a person who has beaten Gracie Jiu jitsu during the Gracie challenge? Not one. Or where is a Keysi user in MMA? There are none because most practical fighhters know it won't work. Watch Matt thornton's video on aliveness where he explains why MMA works.
@Azeritakedownmaster One of his videos he shows a keysi demonstration similar to these, and says "This looks very dangerous and lethal, and looks like it would hurt. Now let's see this used against a resisting opponent"
Keysi became useless. Search and watch his videos.
@Azeritakedownmaster I don't believe you watched all his videos. If you did you would've heard the key things. "This is why 9/10 martial arts don't work"
And that what you see that's fancy doesn't actually work, and majority of schools don't ever properly train you to kill due to the fact you can't really train to kill when you pull punhes or do training like this.
You need to get over the fact this martial art doesn't work, or you wasted your money buying it's instructional videos
@Azeritakedownmaster Matt Thornton getting beat up? I suppose that means his methods are right if his students are surpassing him. He has made such a statement in the MMA World, that his teachings of using aliveness have been notified and it's word have been spread wide. In fact his methods of using aliveness and proper training are the reasons why MMA works the way it is.
@Azeritakedownmaster Learning basics first before getting to the WORKING stuff is usually called "ninja" training or "kata training" basically you learn a bunch of useless things before actually learning the good stuff. According to Ninja's they do years of training before any effective training starts (Which is spending 10+ on useless training). BJJ kinda ignored any useless stuff, thus people were learning the effective art right away.
Do you know how many street fight or no holds bar contests there are on the streets whereMMA has decimated their opponents, without rules of a cage? There are dozens. You might want to look up bullshido vs rex, where he challenges them to a street fight, no rules, eye gouging groin shots, everything are allowed, and he gets beaten by an MMA fighter
@Azeritakedownmaster Judo is a working art. But Bonnar also uses kickboxing and boxing, working arts. Lyoto Machida also knows Sumo wrestling, but you don't ever see him using sumo at all. Same with Chuck, CHuck apparently knows Kenpo, but his style is really nothing like it. It's a kickboxing style with a very low guarded boxing.
Again with Roy Nelson who knows wrestling, boxing, and BJJ, but also knows kung fu. Just cause they know it or trained it it, doesn't mean they use it.
@Azeritakedownmaster It's mainly a full contact karate, and some judo and BJJ. UFC is as close as it gets to a fight org. But aside from that you may want to look at vale tudo fights. They're very similar to UFC but they do allow eye attacks and so on. No one there uses Keysi either, its usually boxing, MT, or kickboxing mixed with wrestling or mainly BJJ.
Have you seen the gracie beach street fight? or the other BJJ street fights? BJJ is but one aspect of mma and it alone has won SFs
@Azeritakedownmaster Where are videos of Keysi winning street fights? There are none because it doesn't work. And no an average boxer would have a hell of a hard time beating an mma fighter. This has been done in early UFC, and it was redon when Couture beat a boxer in the first round. That's just how bad a single art is compared to the ground. The ground negates stand up, but stand up cannot negate ground. Keysi has no ground alone, and its training methods are flawed
@Azeritakedownmaster And in street fights MMA and BJJ (alone) have proven to work against stand ups. Vale Tudo fights have much less rules than UFC. Their only rules are tapping out and telling the ref you want to stop fighting. And none of them use Keysi. You seem to ignore that fact, and the video.
And I'm not talking about UFC. I'm talking about MMA.
MMA is practically complete. Relying on one art alone, or a useless art is stupid and inproicient. You really are being close minded for not viewing the video.
@Azeritakedownmaster Okay, I guess you just admit you haveno argument and that you're too afriad to watch a video because it will confirm you're wrong.
@Azeritakedownmaster We're not talking about guns or weapons. We're talking about hand to hand. Matt isn't running his mouth, he's explaining what proper martial arts training is, and how it's a minority. Also many of those guys are not posers. I've heard your argument before "Oh if they lose to MMA they're just posers and not real" LOL, that's a really terrible argument. Also, why haven't you read the video? Traditional martial arts don't rule. Mixed Martial arts do.
Bullshido is aware that in a streetfight anything can happen. If you really want defense buy a gun. If you want defense and don't want death on your hands or being sued and having a lethal weapon charge on you, use martial arts, WORKING ONES. If you do a traditional martial art for fun, recreation or excercise fine. But if you say you do it for self defense you're only fooling yourself.
@Azeritakedownmaster Bullshido themselves say if you want a good defense use a knife or gun. But a lot of people film street fights just like the video I showed you. I wonder if you even watched it, you haven't commented on it yet.
Also all this video showed was Keysi being just that, USED IN A MOVIE. It has no self defense application and that's what I'm making people aware of.
@Azeritakedownmaster Actually it does. You're using the teapot argument, which is realy dumb and useless. I'm notifying people that not everything is good and only certain things are. It's good that this was a learning experience for you.
Tell you what: Go to bullshido(dot)com sign up to their forums and go to the "Throwdown" page. They usually set throwdowns up in a local town to test your martial art and spar. Show them Keysi works, they'll film it working, or your face getting beat in
@Azeritakedownmaster Seems to me you bought some instructional videos (which is the worse way to train) in keysi. You seem to be trying to defend keysi because it has been debunked as a useless martial art and your arguing against it, so you know you haven't wasted time and money on a useless art. I'd suggest being a grown up about it and take up a new one immediately.
@Azeritakedownmaster Actually I know it doesn't work not from this video, but from the fact that it's not a working martial art period. Paul Vunak does this stuff, and JKD. He has rejected every fight challenge offered to him, even by the Gracies.
@Azeritakedownmaster It doesn't work. I know you're pissed off about it, but as I said, be a grown up and start doing working martial arts. Better yourself instead of trying to make something bad look good.
@Deathclok Throwin my hat in the ring of debate here, Keysi does work in the cage, at least from guard. I don't know about taking down an entie swat team or attacking 50 armed thugs and coming on top, but it does have it's applications, just like TKD (which we all know doesn't translate well ino the cage).
As for self defense, well I guess everything can work if you do it aggressively and the attacker doesn't knw.
@KCDunbar You must've saw the "Keysi guard video", that application again was only used in a demo. No one in Keysi has actually used that maneuver to EVER get out of a guard position. It's really as bad as the "anti ground" wingchun. LoL
@Deathclok Throwin my hat in the ring of debate here, Keysi does work in the cage, at least from guard. I don't know about taking down an entie swat team or attacking 50 armed thugs and coming on top, but it does have it's applications, just like TKD (which we all know doesn't translate well ino the cage).
As for self defense, well I guess everything can work if you do it aggressively and the attacker doesn't know.
I love that there will be a third movie but i hope that there will be more, and that Christian Bale keeps doing them. I don't want it to turn out like the old batman movies. You know where one actor does two movies and the next two, two different actors play batman. I mean Val Kilmer in batman forever was pretty good; but i'm sorry george clooney as batman didn't really do it for me. I can't wait to see catwoman in the franchise as well as robin. I wonder how Chris Nolan will bring him in.
hope to see more crime solving more figthing in the 3rd movie shock gloves maybe and more classic martial art stuff and new gadgets like contractible batarangs and more sneaking and hiding scare tactics and a new nano coated suit and well keep the voice
Interesting concept to put Keysi in for Batman's fightng style whereas authentic ninjutsu would have been alot more realistic and favourbly more strategic with many of its stealth-like and fluid combat techniques (rather than sheer brute force with predominately elbows/fists). ShouLd have Bruce Wayne trained in Thailand then then gone to a ninpo temple to learn stealth arts & invisibility,lol (just a thought)
that looks like fun -- as sick as it seems,i used to get in fist-fights,barroom brawls when i was younger,sort of for the sheer rush of it...and i got some scars to prove it...unfortunatly,i also have a police-record to prove it,which is really a big downer,let-me-tell-ya...although on some level,i really think violence sucks and does no real good,it actually IS fun to go toe-to-toe with somebody now and then...is thais part of human nature,or am i just an asshole?...i often wonder...peace
If it were a perfect world you'd be an asshole, but it isn't. We live in a culture that gives you a choice between putting up with shit from dickheads or having some control over your life. It is just fun getting in a fight providing nobody gets hurt, if you ask me.
Well, that's pretty stupid, actually. You're not that different from the psycho who goes on a thrill kill just for the "sheer rush of it". You remind me that I started training in close quarters self defense precisely to fend off pricks like you.
Damn. I wish he had the same size in TDK. He looked much much better when he's bulky. He fills the suit much more intimidatingly and he looked so much like a UFC champ.
I disagree, he looked slow when bulky. Lets not forget that Batman is in essence a ninja so he relies more on stealth (he sort of didn't follow that rule when he faced the Joker and his gang but oh well) so the slim look fit him better in TDK.
christian bale is one of the most versatile actors of today. he still has one more batman film under his original contract. i am really excited to see him continue to express his talents in future films
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In the TDK movie, when Batsy first appeared to fight the thugs you could see underneath the cowl it was Buster Reeves, Bale's stunt boy. He handled some of the fight scenes here too.
Well, not that in particular. I was just generalizing it. I was just saying, maybe he DID do every fight scene, but it doesn't mean he did every STUNT. If you know what I mean...lol
Se lo tomó muy en serio, piensa que venía de estar muy debilitado por 'el maquinista' donde perdió tanto peso. Aquí esta fuerte y hermoso. Gracias Virginia!
bane is about to punch batman :P
nfsmohpsp 1 week ago
nothing about working out
vincentcapuano 1 month ago
A lot of the movements in KFM are based in arts like Kali Panatukan right?
elchacal31 2 months ago
why cant just some thug grab Bat's cape lol
FreeeeS 3 months ago
@FreeeeS He'll touch it with his electric gloves and the guy gets french fried. If not, then the cape just pushes him away.
alexman378 1 month ago
I laugh my ass of ^^ I train Keysi, so I know what it is all about, and what you see in the movie, can be done in real life. All you need is alot of shadow training, and a KFM trainer. Ive trained some fighting methods and I will say that the Keysi fighting method is the best! I would began if I had the chanse if I where you guys!
WHERE ARE YOU!? here..
DOOH! *bom* xD
ZapFlap 9 months ago 2
Keysi seems like a different and very physiologically effective martial art. I sure hope it keeps developing and that having it adopted as "Batman's fighting style" helped it to find new students. I can see what they meant when they chose it, too - using a lighting fast, efficient, effective, brutal, and when you think of it, beast-like martial art suits Bruce's Batman identity very well both because of the practical needs of a crime fighter and because Bruce designed Batman to be ferocious.
heavyarms01h 10 months ago
Hey man, say what you want about Bruce Wayne. But if he had taken Rache Al Ghoul's daughter from him, then he would have just destroyed Batman, because Rache has acquired many skills. Skills that make him a nightmare for people like Batman.
berner 10 months ago
dude, i want to have The Batman Suit
MrPearlJazz 11 months ago
Bullshido is Bullshit, a haven for professional forum posters wanting to feed they're ego status quo, BJJ is great for the ring. And a 1 on 1 street fight on grass.
Eso1 1 year ago
@Eso1 They don't just do Bjj, they do MT and other WORKING martial arts.
Btw, Bullshido actually challenges people to put their ass with their mouth is. Either in a ring, a cage or in a parking lot.
xIegionx 8 months ago
@xIegionx Working cause they see it on UFC and right away join a Muay Thai BJJ MMA school? and say it's the only thing that works?, yea ill put they're asses in a stretcher either with broken knee caps or elbows from strikes with my ebony kali stick, or leave they're eyed gouged and muscles destroyed through panankutan. Wait, they need cage rules though right? So i wouldn't be able to use what works??
Eso1 8 months ago
@Eso1 Actually they don't.They will fight you on a street with any rules aside from weapons. they will even bring a camera. Go to bullshido(dot)net. Go to their forums, sign up go tot he throwdown section and request one. They'll send a fighter. If you want proof they do street fights, they actually beat a keysi-kung fu teacher who didn't believe in bullshido. So they challenged him to a no holds bar in a parking lot. he got beat up by a man 1/4 his weight.
xIegionx 8 months ago
keysi don't work
xIegionx 1 year ago
I remember the first time I saw Batman Begins opening night the whole theater erupted in applause. I screamed "He is back!!!"
smcneal057 1 year ago
I really like part one of these behind the scenes. Especially when Nolan said that hand to hand fighting had become too much like a dance and lost how serious it is. I also like how brutal Keysi is, but because its so young it does makes some mistakes. Would like to see it 20 years from now though.
PrsFenderJackson1980 1 year ago
So there will be one decent Batman movie after all! Fine -- I'll get one good reason to watch it!
Sk8taSurfaDude 1 year ago
4:59 they were practicing in the hallway hahaha
josh1212121 1 year ago
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@Deathclok Throwin my hat in the ring of debate here, Keysi does work in the cage, at least from guard. I don't know about taking down an entie swat team or attacking 50 armed thugs and coming on top, but it does have it's applications, just like TKD (which we all know doesn't translate well ino the cage).
As for self defense, well I guess everything can work if you do it aggressively and the attacker doesn't know.
KCDunbar 1 year ago
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Azeritakedownmaster 1 year ago
You know I do believe Bale looks like batman. lol
PrsFenderJackson1980 1 year ago
i'd let christian bale hump my wife while i watch
acenspades 1 year ago
MMA by itself with no "traditional" martial arts...is dangerous. There must be a balance between sport martial arts and street only martial arts. So as to not have any disadvantages. Full contact meets displine. I have no experience with Keysi Method so I won't be a jackass and leap to conclussions. If you follow just one dogmatic view of martial arts you limiting yourself.......
PrsFenderJackson1980 1 year ago
7:21 His stature and cape are beautifully captured.
9Ratsel9 1 year ago
Is that christian bale's way of staying in character or does he really talk like that? I swear every other time I heard him speak his accent sounded thicker than that.
blacktee31 1 year ago
Believe it or not, this style of fighting isn't all that good. It's really just marketed, and with the aid fo a film it looks good. Real martial arts is what you see in MMA. No fight would ever look as simple nad as easy as this. His opponent is letting him do these. If he fough ta full resisting opponent it would be different. People, this is just a commercial marketing of bad fighting to market off of Batman.
Dmasterman 1 year ago
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Azeritakedownmaster 1 year ago
@Azeritakedownmaster You act as if MMA fighters can't do hammerfists, knees, eye gouges and all the moves that are illegal in the street. Keysi really is a different frm of rapid attack wushu. Which has been proven to not work since MMA fighters have beaten them. If Keysi worked it would be used by MMArtists. But they don't. Because it's just another art that doesn't work. Especially from training methods since they teach people these "moves" with little to no resistance. Main prob with it.
Dmasterman 1 year ago
@Dmasterman Realize that the no resistance training is because if the opponent DID resist, there is a possibility of severe injury. And under what circumstances did the MMA fighters win? Ring rules? MMA teaches you sport martial arts, focusing on one person. KFM focuses on fighting against multiple opponents, in the streets, no rules. MMA is excellent, no doubt. But it is not as effective in the streets, just like KFM isn't effective in the ring with one-on-one. Two styles for different cases.
Aeolon92 1 year ago
@Aeolon92 They said the same thing about MMA.
Keysi does not work. If you train your students with no resistant it doesn't work. Go to google video and search up Matt Thornton as he explains why keysi and why many other martial arts don't work.
Just because there are rules sets, do you think MMArtists don't use attacks to the eye or groin? If they can do what they do in a ring WITH rules, imaginge what they can do without them.
Dmasterman 1 year ago
@Dmasterman I'm gonna stop this conversation right here instead of getting into a senseless argument on YouTube. You believe what you believe, and I'll believe what I'll believe. No need for us to try and force each other to think the way we want, that's we are independent people :)
Aeolon92 1 year ago
@Aeolon92 Just know I have evidence that MMA works, while yours doesn't.
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Azeritakedownmaster 1 year ago
@Azeritakedownmaster I'm quite sure it's invincible to those styles. Otherwise we'd see those styles IN MMA wouldn't we?
Also JKD is more of a philosophy and theory than a martial art. Don't agree? look up Tony valente. A JKD Master
Krav maga is also a working Martial art that's used sparsely in MMA. MMA usually means a mix of WORKING martial arts. Keysi is no where, why bother learning something inferior when you can get a superior? Its like using a musket over an automatic rifle
Dmasterman 1 year ago
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Azeritakedownmaster 1 year ago
@Azeritakedownmaster The only way a real life person would win is if they had numbers or a lethal weapon, knife or gun, take your pick, then already statistically you are at a disadvantage. Hand to hand? MMA all the way.
See, back when the Gracies had the gracie challenged, they only used BJJ (One of the main working ground styles used in MMA), and had beaten guys who used groin shots, eye gouges and neck strikes. The thing is, they didn't work or couldn't work. So these strikes are moot
Dmasterman 1 year ago
@Azeritakedownmaster If you want proof:
Search BJJ vs kung fu
BJJ vs kenpo msater
BJJ vs hapkido
They attempt to use moves that were legitimate in the graice challenge such as groin attacks, eye gouging, hits to the back of the head.
Dmasterman 1 year ago
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Azeritakedownmaster 1 year ago
@Azeritakedownmaster If martial arts to you is a puzzle, then all the other non working martial arts, are a piece, while MMA is complete.
If it was really about the person, where has there been a person who has beaten Gracie Jiu jitsu during the Gracie challenge? Not one. Or where is a Keysi user in MMA? There are none because most practical fighhters know it won't work. Watch Matt thornton's video on aliveness where he explains why MMA works.
Dmasterman 1 year ago
@Azeritakedownmaster One of his videos he shows a keysi demonstration similar to these, and says "This looks very dangerous and lethal, and looks like it would hurt. Now let's see this used against a resisting opponent"
Keysi became useless. Search and watch his videos.
Dmasterman 1 year ago
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Azeritakedownmaster 1 year ago
@Azeritakedownmaster I don't believe you watched all his videos. If you did you would've heard the key things. "This is why 9/10 martial arts don't work"
And that what you see that's fancy doesn't actually work, and majority of schools don't ever properly train you to kill due to the fact you can't really train to kill when you pull punhes or do training like this.
You need to get over the fact this martial art doesn't work, or you wasted your money buying it's instructional videos
Dmasterman 1 year ago
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Azeritakedownmaster 1 year ago
@Azeritakedownmaster Matt Thornton getting beat up? I suppose that means his methods are right if his students are surpassing him. He has made such a statement in the MMA World, that his teachings of using aliveness have been notified and it's word have been spread wide. In fact his methods of using aliveness and proper training are the reasons why MMA works the way it is.
Dmasterman 1 year ago
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Azeritakedownmaster 1 year ago
@Azeritakedownmaster Learning basics first before getting to the WORKING stuff is usually called "ninja" training or "kata training" basically you learn a bunch of useless things before actually learning the good stuff. According to Ninja's they do years of training before any effective training starts (Which is spending 10+ on useless training). BJJ kinda ignored any useless stuff, thus people were learning the effective art right away.
Point: Keysi training methods don't work.
Dmasterman 1 year ago
@Azeritakedownmaster And again, if they worked we'd see it.
Do you know how many street fight or no holds bar contests there are on the streets whereMMA has decimated their opponents, without rules of a cage? There are dozens. You might want to look up bullshido vs rex, where he challenges them to a street fight, no rules, eye gouging groin shots, everything are allowed, and he gets beaten by an MMA fighter
Dmasterman 1 year ago
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Azeritakedownmaster 1 year ago
@Azeritakedownmaster He learns martial arts THAT WORK. With working training methods. Keysi. DOESN'T HAVE THOSE.
Simple.
Dmasterman 1 year ago
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Azeritakedownmaster 1 year ago
@Azeritakedownmaster Judo is a working art. But Bonnar also uses kickboxing and boxing, working arts. Lyoto Machida also knows Sumo wrestling, but you don't ever see him using sumo at all. Same with Chuck, CHuck apparently knows Kenpo, but his style is really nothing like it. It's a kickboxing style with a very low guarded boxing.
Again with Roy Nelson who knows wrestling, boxing, and BJJ, but also knows kung fu. Just cause they know it or trained it it, doesn't mean they use it.
Dmasterman 1 year ago
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Azeritakedownmaster 1 year ago
@Azeritakedownmaster It's mainly a full contact karate, and some judo and BJJ. UFC is as close as it gets to a fight org. But aside from that you may want to look at vale tudo fights. They're very similar to UFC but they do allow eye attacks and so on. No one there uses Keysi either, its usually boxing, MT, or kickboxing mixed with wrestling or mainly BJJ.
Have you seen the gracie beach street fight? or the other BJJ street fights? BJJ is but one aspect of mma and it alone has won SFs
Dmasterman 1 year ago
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Azeritakedownmaster 1 year ago
@Azeritakedownmaster Where are videos of Keysi winning street fights? There are none because it doesn't work. And no an average boxer would have a hell of a hard time beating an mma fighter. This has been done in early UFC, and it was redon when Couture beat a boxer in the first round. That's just how bad a single art is compared to the ground. The ground negates stand up, but stand up cannot negate ground. Keysi has no ground alone, and its training methods are flawed
Dmasterman 1 year ago
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Azeritakedownmaster 1 year ago
@Azeritakedownmaster And in street fights MMA and BJJ (alone) have proven to work against stand ups. Vale Tudo fights have much less rules than UFC. Their only rules are tapping out and telling the ref you want to stop fighting. And none of them use Keysi. You seem to ignore that fact, and the video.
Dmasterman 1 year ago
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Azeritakedownmaster 1 year ago
@Azeritakedownmaster They aren't making fun of it, did you even see the video?
And I'm not talking about UFC. I'm talking about MMA.
MMA is practically complete. Relying on one art alone, or a useless art is stupid and inproicient. You really are being close minded for not viewing the video.
Dmasterman 1 year ago
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Azeritakedownmaster 1 year ago
@Azeritakedownmaster Okay, I guess you just admit you haveno argument and that you're too afriad to watch a video because it will confirm you're wrong.
Dmasterman 1 year ago
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Azeritakedownmaster 1 year ago
@Azeritakedownmaster The truth does. Apparently it doesn't do the same for you.
Dmasterman 1 year ago
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Azeritakedownmaster 1 year ago
@Azeritakedownmaster I know the truth doesn't make you happy.
Dmasterman 1 year ago
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Azeritakedownmaster 1 year ago
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Azeritakedownmaster 1 year ago
@Azeritakedownmaster We're not talking about guns or weapons. We're talking about hand to hand. Matt isn't running his mouth, he's explaining what proper martial arts training is, and how it's a minority. Also many of those guys are not posers. I've heard your argument before "Oh if they lose to MMA they're just posers and not real" LOL, that's a really terrible argument. Also, why haven't you read the video? Traditional martial arts don't rule. Mixed Martial arts do.
Dmasterman 1 year ago
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Azeritakedownmaster 1 year ago
@Azeritakedownmaster If there is no proof there is no evidence.
Bullshido is aware that in a streetfight anything can happen. If you really want defense buy a gun. If you want defense and don't want death on your hands or being sued and having a lethal weapon charge on you, use martial arts, WORKING ONES. If you do a traditional martial art for fun, recreation or excercise fine. But if you say you do it for self defense you're only fooling yourself.
Dmasterman 1 year ago
@Azeritakedownmaster Bullshido themselves say if you want a good defense use a knife or gun. But a lot of people film street fights just like the video I showed you. I wonder if you even watched it, you haven't commented on it yet.
Also all this video showed was Keysi being just that, USED IN A MOVIE. It has no self defense application and that's what I'm making people aware of.
Dmasterman 1 year ago
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Azeritakedownmaster 1 year ago
@Azeritakedownmaster Actually it does. You're using the teapot argument, which is realy dumb and useless. I'm notifying people that not everything is good and only certain things are. It's good that this was a learning experience for you.
Tell you what: Go to bullshido(dot)com sign up to their forums and go to the "Throwdown" page. They usually set throwdowns up in a local town to test your martial art and spar. Show them Keysi works, they'll film it working, or your face getting beat in
Dmasterman 1 year ago
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Azeritakedownmaster 1 year ago
@Azeritakedownmaster no evidence. ok im gonna learn bjj instead of learning keysi.
LiIGrim 1 year ago
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Azeritakedownmaster 1 year ago
@Azeritakedownmaster ive seen bjj work and i have never seen keysi work. thats why im WISELY spending my money
LiIGrim 1 year ago
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Azeritakedownmaster 1 year ago
@Azeritakedownmaster No my money is spent wisely, while you apparently are arguing cause you wasted it.
LiIGrim 1 year ago
@Azeritakedownmaster Seems to me you bought some instructional videos (which is the worse way to train) in keysi. You seem to be trying to defend keysi because it has been debunked as a useless martial art and your arguing against it, so you know you haven't wasted time and money on a useless art. I'd suggest being a grown up about it and take up a new one immediately.
Deathclok 1 year ago
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Azeritakedownmaster 1 year ago
@Azeritakedownmaster Actually I know it doesn't work not from this video, but from the fact that it's not a working martial art period. Paul Vunak does this stuff, and JKD. He has rejected every fight challenge offered to him, even by the Gracies.
Deathclok 1 year ago
@Azeritakedownmaster It doesn't work. I know you're pissed off about it, but as I said, be a grown up and start doing working martial arts. Better yourself instead of trying to make something bad look good.
Deathclok 1 year ago
@Deathclok Throwin my hat in the ring of debate here, Keysi does work in the cage, at least from guard. I don't know about taking down an entie swat team or attacking 50 armed thugs and coming on top, but it does have it's applications, just like TKD (which we all know doesn't translate well ino the cage).
As for self defense, well I guess everything can work if you do it aggressively and the attacker doesn't knw.
KCDunbar 1 year ago
@KCDunbar You must've saw the "Keysi guard video", that application again was only used in a demo. No one in Keysi has actually used that maneuver to EVER get out of a guard position. It's really as bad as the "anti ground" wingchun. LoL
Deathclok 1 year ago
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@Deathclok Throwin my hat in the ring of debate here, Keysi does work in the cage, at least from guard. I don't know about taking down an entie swat team or attacking 50 armed thugs and coming on top, but it does have it's applications, just like TKD (which we all know doesn't translate well ino the cage).
As for self defense, well I guess everything can work if you do it aggressively and the attacker doesn't know.
KCDunbar 1 year ago
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Azeritakedownmaster 1 year ago
@Azeritakedownmaster can you please provide video evidence of keysi working in a street fight or vale tudo?
LiIGrim 1 year ago
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Azeritakedownmaster 1 year ago
@Azeritakedownmaster Bullshido has a lot of evidence, and again, the video is a street fight.
Dmasterman 1 year ago
@Azeritakedownmaster Did you watch the video?
Dmasterman 1 year ago
@Azeritakedownmaster watch?v=VYcyd5zOHKU
Dmasterman 1 year ago
@Azeritakedownmaster also watch watch?v=VYcyd5zOHKU
Dmasterman 1 year ago
I hope they present Bruce's intellect in the movie. And perhaps his workout.
ironknightzero 1 year ago
I love that there will be a third movie but i hope that there will be more, and that Christian Bale keeps doing them. I don't want it to turn out like the old batman movies. You know where one actor does two movies and the next two, two different actors play batman. I mean Val Kilmer in batman forever was pretty good; but i'm sorry george clooney as batman didn't really do it for me. I can't wait to see catwoman in the franchise as well as robin. I wonder how Chris Nolan will bring him in.
eventingirl001 1 year ago
To bad the movie never showed clearly how badass this Keysi fighting style really is.
ghostshafiq 1 year ago
hope to see more crime solving more figthing in the 3rd movie shock gloves maybe and more classic martial art stuff and new gadgets like contractible batarangs and more sneaking and hiding scare tactics and a new nano coated suit and well keep the voice
FreeeeS 1 year ago
Just a real pity, that nobody has a chance to see these great movements in the movie, because it is filmed so badly!!!
Hasselhoff123456 1 year ago
wooow, so Christian Bale isn't just a good actor, but an impresive hard working stuntman...exellent
darkairaxandrew 2 years ago 41
@darkairaxandrew might've seen it already, but he puts a crazy amount of work into his roles, changing his entire body for the part.
Vinco 4 months ago
ahaha I have photographic memory too lol
iLoveJbMcFlYTakeThat 2 years ago
Interesting concept to put Keysi in for Batman's fightng style whereas authentic ninjutsu would have been alot more realistic and favourbly more strategic with many of its stealth-like and fluid combat techniques (rather than sheer brute force with predominately elbows/fists). ShouLd have Bruce Wayne trained in Thailand then then gone to a ninpo temple to learn stealth arts & invisibility,lol (just a thought)
katyrick09 2 years ago
wow, chris nolan got that vegeta hair cut at 3:45
lizzyBcoo 2 years ago 13
Beast shot of Bale at 6:13, oh and Liam Neeson is a pimp
gthletic1 2 years ago
I was hoping for fight scenes like this in the Dark Knight. It was a good movie but no good fight scenes.
Grdemon 2 years ago 11
Tbh Begins was better than Dark knight in the story way.
mageftw1 2 years ago 7
Greatest warrior wins the battle with out a fight.
Shinobi4Jesus 2 years ago 3
This is the best batman ever made. No shitty stuff. This is all badass.
Sylar000000 2 years ago 25
so true
mageftw1 2 years ago 4
that looks like fun -- as sick as it seems,i used to get in fist-fights,barroom brawls when i was younger,sort of for the sheer rush of it...and i got some scars to prove it...unfortunatly,i also have a police-record to prove it,which is really a big downer,let-me-tell-ya...although on some level,i really think violence sucks and does no real good,it actually IS fun to go toe-to-toe with somebody now and then...is thais part of human nature,or am i just an asshole?...i often wonder...peace
paulianna1 2 years ago
Yes! LOL now if I can just get this Keysi down than I can beat anyone's ass any day!
Sylar000000 2 years ago
If it were a perfect world you'd be an asshole, but it isn't. We live in a culture that gives you a choice between putting up with shit from dickheads or having some control over your life. It is just fun getting in a fight providing nobody gets hurt, if you ask me.
RasAlGhul4000 2 years ago
Well, that's pretty stupid, actually. You're not that different from the psycho who goes on a thrill kill just for the "sheer rush of it". You remind me that I started training in close quarters self defense precisely to fend off pricks like you.
FractalBolt 2 years ago
Damn. I wish he had the same size in TDK. He looked much much better when he's bulky. He fills the suit much more intimidatingly and he looked so much like a UFC champ.
baleheads 2 years ago 7
I disagree, he looked slow when bulky. Lets not forget that Batman is in essence a ninja so he relies more on stealth (he sort of didn't follow that rule when he faced the Joker and his gang but oh well) so the slim look fit him better in TDK.
yakuza01 2 years ago
7:20 was cool. Great pose.
9Ratsel9 2 years ago 2
lol wow i ain;t ever messing with christian bale
anjet148 2 years ago 5
I. Love. Christian. Bale.
NoName21234 3 years ago 11
cool stuff..too bad it turns out christian bale's kinda an asshole in real life. supposedly..
thehymner 3 years ago
anyone know the name of the song that is playing when bruce is fighting Ra's Al Ghul after he denies to join the league of shadows?
Spartanplayer741 3 years ago
My Otis. Track 3 from Batman Begins OST.
9Ratsel9 3 years ago
christian bale is one of the most versatile actors of today. he still has one more batman film under his original contract. i am really excited to see him continue to express his talents in future films
krnfighter88 3 years ago 16
I. Am. THe devil!
ALEE775 3 years ago 2
You're not the devil, you're practise.
darthnazgul 3 years ago 3
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In the TDK movie, when Batsy first appeared to fight the thugs you could see underneath the cowl it was Buster Reeves, Bale's stunt boy. He handled some of the fight scenes here too.
baleheads 3 years ago
thanks for this information! you're welcome. tahnks
yatebale 3 years ago
You many be mistaken here. Bale said and other said he did every single fight scene in TDK. But Reeves did do some scenes in Begins.
slugger1983 3 years ago 2
He might've done the fight scenes but some of the falling, etc. was probably done by stuntmen.
EMIIYC 3 years ago
I'm almost positive he did the falling stunt on Scarecrow, if that's what your refering too.
slugger1983 3 years ago
Well, not that in particular. I was just generalizing it. I was just saying, maybe he DID do every fight scene, but it doesn't mean he did every STUNT. If you know what I mean...lol
EMIIYC 3 years ago
I know...you can probably count all the stunts he hasn't done in both movies on your hands.
slugger1983 3 years ago
dos palabras..Im-presionante!! woww..toy en trance..carcel-china-el-musica-pelea!!
thanks for uploading!!
maypipb 3 years ago
breath!! thanks to watching it!
yatebale 3 years ago
thanks my friend!:)-w
spannypumpkin 3 years ago
you're welcome ever ! =) *hug*
yatebale 3 years ago
Se lo tomó muy en serio, piensa que venía de estar muy debilitado por 'el maquinista' donde perdió tanto peso. Aquí esta fuerte y hermoso. Gracias Virginia!
yatebale 3 years ago
como laburo bale para esto, no?
bombon y talentoso..
no me canso de decirlo.
saludos!!
chopinesprit 3 years ago