Hydrogen fuel cell Suzuki scooter

[doomizz]

What happens when a 10000psi hydrogen tank crashes while doin 150+mph ?

[lynel1985]

@doomizz the same thing a lpg cylinder does?

[d09000814]

@doomizz you fart! :D

[PktMma]

And where do you get hydrogen from?

[m1aws]

@PktMma steam reforming of natural gas. Its twice as expensive as fuel to make and God help you if there is a leak.

[13mordeth]

@PktMma Hydrogen comes from water. It's the H in H2O.

[PktMma]

@13mordeth No shit Sherlock! And how do you get it out of there? Last time I checked water doesn't burn.

[fastkid392]

@PktMma excuse me have you ever heard of electrolysis of water?

[PktMma]

@fastkid392 Of course. I made a dumb comment. My original question was about where you'd find a hydrogen pump to fill up at.

[FriendsMusicLove]

@PktMma No, it evaporates instead.

[qwertyismypass]

@PktMma jupiter

[twistedbass15]

@PktMma Are you religious ?

[boss1376]

10000 psi hydrogen tank is very dangerous dude...i surprise how suzuki guarantee the safety of this vehicle with such high pressure hydrogen tank

[remcovanek2]

Good development.

[mrTOPGEAR2010]

it is possible to make a internal combustion engine run completely on water instead of just supplementing it. What you have to do is have a small hydrogen storage tank in your fuel supply circuit kind of like a capacitor for an electrical circuit. this cuts down on the dangers of the hydrogen combusting.

[1moeser]

why not run the bike on hydrogen instead of using shitty batteries and by that i mean using it as fuel in a internal combustion engine

[pppeea]

it would have been nice to actually see what was being talked about..

[MyRepresentativeOrg]

Please Sell the Hydrogen Electric Suzuki Crosscage to the public!!

[vox1philippines]

nice !!!

[wolfgang8u]

I could make this thing run on zero psi and salt water as the electrolight

[geeloof]

10,000 psi of combustible hydrogen...fuck that shit.. ill walk

[craigsfireblade]

who gives a fuck long live petrol lol

[bbglas007]

@craigsfireblade Long live cancer, diseases, fucked up weather, fucked up ecosystem and pure ignorance!

[MrSdat1000]

I reconstructed the Indy 500 crash on my channel ! Please Rate ! 2 versions available (the firsts kinda crap) fu#k fuel cells an hydrogen all boring science!!! Petrol all the way

[raavi0085]

yaya in case of accident hydrogen bomb ll blast whole city keep it to japan plz... ansoles

[gfiandy]

@raavi0085 Pressuriesed Hydrogen explodes in a more controlled way than petrol. (not that I am saying it would be a thing you would want to be near) It would take an atomic hydrogen explosion to take out a city, you don't really believe that will happen do you! Hydrogen atomic explosions don't happen by accident they are unbelivebly difficult to create.

[luke255]

"They don't want this to be something that's come from the future and made to look all whacky".

Finally! When will car manufactures learn that people don't want to stand out with stupid designs, they just want to save money on fuel! This is why alternative fuel isn't taken seriously!

[Azureecosse]

Hydrogen ! this is the ticket,this is the future very exciting and its the most abundant energy resource out there, it may be difficult and costly at this time to process but give it ten years and it will be mastered..

[dynamo400]

Crap,, worse pollution than petrol,, just the manufacturing process causes more enviromental damage, and thats without disposal concerns, plus it will be too quiet and therefore it womt be heard by predestrians.

[tribaldesigns]

Definately good to see some more informative info on the web about hydrogen power, would be nice to see a side-by-side test of the scooters though.

[aliengangsta]

just a great solid video:)

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[superms15]

how many cc is the engine? top speed ?

[daporkchopexpress]

@superms15 Its a 125 but you realy have to ask yourself: Do I realy want to ride a Hydrogen bomb on wheels? In the event of a crash (and lets face it, it happens) My city will undoubtedly be level to the ground. This is a bad call....

[baldes]

Is not a nuclear hydrogen bomb.... hydrogen is a gas so in case of crasch it will be licke a car that run with gas....

[CauseIveSeenLoveDie]

@daporkchopexpress Hydrogen fuel cells are not as volatile as petrol. You are much more likely to die in an explosion on impact in a vehicle powered with fossil fuels.

[danielgwj]

@superms15 it's a "fuel cell" driving an electric motor so it doesn't have an internal combustion engine and so doesn't have a displacement in cc's.

[ChowZeb]

10,000 psi !!! , wow, so its like riding a bomb?

[insanebeard]

people will b takin cover when u ride past them haha

[MissClone]

This may stop car drivers pulling out in front of you if they realise that you may go bang and take them with you

[ansancre]

Barcelona has thousands of scooters. I would like to see more hydrogen-station, and I would buy it.

[zagan1]

@ansancre

You already have a hydrogen-station it's called your garden tap.

[ansancre]

I don't have garden

[PhilSheredan]

I just tried to post a video response and it didn't happen. why would you want to sit on a tank of hydrogen with 10,000 psi in it ? hell no !!!!! hydrogen on demand ! google it and look at the exploding water I tried to video respond with

[jt666666666]

@pmborris: you're actually both right, there are huge periods of light and dark at the poles.

[bobodd5]

dead by hydrogen by initials are on he bottle say high to oil fueled planet earth

[blueman4444444]

I agree with mrphate89 theres something you cant replicate like the the roar of a motor or the power of one but theres also of the question of the Hydrogen gas under pressure it would go up a lot worse than petrol in a leak actual its more of a bomb.

And another thing as a rider with a 800 VFR with staintune exhaust system which is fairly loud i still get people saying i did not see or hear you (friggin deaf and dumb) when they almost run you off the road imagine with this thing being silent ?

[mrphate89]

i hope im long dead before we loose the combustion engine..... bikes are not going to be the same without that roaring engine between your bollocks....

[sicknwrong]

it would be like ridein a old boiler, just waiting for it to explode.

nice concept, but scarey

[Garrison64]

10,000 psi?! I'd sure hat to see that thing go off the wrong way in an accident. Whether it cut loose or whatever. Even the line blowing off could be highly dangerous.

[TheDuerden]

First thing I thought too..what happens when some numpty hits the side of you in traffic and breaches the tank.

10,000psi is quite a lot of pressure to be SITTING ON TOP OF!!

[mrphate89]

@TheDuerden you would become the first man on a scooter to visit the moon :)

[patrick1wtf]

And since the most people use cars.. this won't help (much),

they should let cars run on electromotors,

don't ruin the bikes first :S

(my opinion, doh..)

[Furiousme]

@patrick1wtf

No , cars shouldn't run on electromotors . Firstly cars diserve petrol engines as much as bikes. Secondaly electromotors sucks. Makes more polution and have no SOUL.

[seroyer2]

law makers and hippie's don't care thats the problem.

[patrick1wtf]

Ok, fair enough .. car's deserve petrol engine's too ... (they have to be good looking car's doh)

Scooters can be on electro since they suck anyway.. it would change if they would run on electro..

But they shouln't ruin bikes that you need to shift gears with (50cc or more)

I totally agree on that electormotors suck.. they don't have the sound.. or a soul ):

But.. before we all drive electo

, we'll be all dead.. or atleast enjoyed the last moments of a roaring petrol engine's :)

[Furiousme]

But think first. How you get electricity ?? Its mainly made by coal power station ( places where electricity is made) . It polute earth much more than petrol used in engines. We should make atomic power stations to get clean power , than we can use electric engines.

[patrick1wtf]

True, nuke power is the way to go.

[addys]

people don't realise it takes electricity made from coal to make the hydrogen fuel cells work. they just think "no petrol", must be cheap at the bowser. nuclear power people! Shut up hypies. nuke power!

[acidnaught74]

@addys well... my vote would be on solar energy even though is clear that it won't be of much help in places near the poles where there are long periods of time without enough solar light.

Too bad nuclear engine generates dangerous - long term wastes.

BTW: I agree about missing the sound of a good ol combustion engine... but I guess in the future it will be remembered as we do now with vapor machines many years ago... IMO

[pmborris]

@acidnaught74 are you stupid..by the poles there is prolonged periods of light. At the extremes of both poles there is sunlight 24hours a day. dont even bother replying you..because you are wrong and idiotic.

mcn sucks, their reviews are too short, poorly filmed and edited and there is a lack of information. They never conclude with decisive oppinions they just generalise everything in order to make everyone happy.

[guyprocter]

@pmborris The videos are just a taster for the articles in the paper where the real analysis occurs.

[NoFukinNamesLeft]

Hydrigen is the future

[guyprocter]

I think the argument for/against this sort of hydrogen vehicle isn't the same as the one for/against The Hydrogen Economy. A lot of hydrogen is produced (and wasted) as an industrial by-product. It could have a value which makes firms want to keep it and sell if it more cities decide (like London has) they wants more hydrogen-powered vehicles running about them. Six hydrogen filling stations are promised for London by 2012. They don't need eletrolysis or reformation to supply them, just waste h2

[srki8585]

The main difference between H2 and oil is that every country can produce H2, you just need the know-how and electicity. So from this point of view the more developed countreis are more likely to produce H2 and not only the OPEC. So there will be much more competition than in the oil market. The sceond beneffit is that H2 powerd motors do not have any CO2 emission which is also a benefit for the end consumer because the air he breath becomes much cleaner.

[HondaFife]

No mention of price then? Soon as I heard platinum am thinking it would cost a fortune to buy.

[Buttmunch5000]

"not alot of prospect of batteries increasing significantly" how about around 5% increase per year.

problem with hydrogen we are just where we are with petrol , the cartel that controls who makes hydrogen controls the price, and they could put the price up to make sure they all make a tidy profit, with battery as long as you can charge your own battery with your own renewable energy your free from cartels!

Also the biggest problem is creating the H2 it is a very energy intensive process

[moaski]

@Buttmunch5000

Any technology that gains mainstream acceptance is going to be controlled by "cartels," as you call them.

Where are you going to get your battery?

"CARTELS!"

Where are you going to get your wind generator, solar and other renewable energy equipment?

"CARTELS!!!"

The act of producing batteries has a lot of embodied energy, too.

A 5% increase per year in battery tech is a lot less than the 400% efficiency gain this hydrogen scooter has over its all-battery counterparts

[Buttmunch5000]

I meant OPEC the Oil Cartel, they are going to be the leaders in providing H2 for the masses, my statement was, how does that benefit normal hardworking people, they will probably pay the same or more for H2 which does not have any advantage for them as a consumer.

Battery powered vehicles are the only vehicles that have a chance of accually bringing people a new product, that they can charge themselves the battery /wind power business has alot of small companies fighting for money, NOT acartel

[moaski]

Perhaps oil companies (i.e., Exxon Mobil, Chevron, BP, etc...) will control hydrogen, but not OPEC.

Any small start-up companies with viable technologies will be swallowed up by large corporations, just like what's happening with battery and renewable energy technologies.

A battery has a lifetime, just like solar panels and wind generators or anything else, and will have to be replaced.

[Gizmorun]

you can use the energy that you would have used to power a battery machine to create H2, its fairly simple really, you just need some renewable energy source and free hydrogen fuel.

[bfmv580]

I'd like to have a go on one, but the only way i'd buy one is if you convince vespa to make them :-)

[theninj1]

If you have an accident, will there be a massive explosion?

[bfmv580]

@theninj1 Maybe not massive...well yeah, massive.

[tobyeo]

@theninj1 Many cars in South America are powered by Natural Gas so cant be any worse. For it to explode the tank would need to be punchured and something would need to ignite it since it cant just combust by being exposed to air.

[Sponge1310]

Very nice coverage! :D

I wonder how these scooter hold up in a crash/accident, since there's a high pressure tank in it and stuff..

[theninj1]

that's wierd, we thought of the same thing only seconds apart!

[animal100000]

Will hydrogen cost £1.09 a litre?

[BryansU2B]

my guess is they would sell it by weight, since the volume changes based on the pressure... i havent heard of any hydrogen refueling stations yet (usa)

[twistedkeys1]

oh sweet! can't wait to hear more!

[MostlyLouche]

That was really interesting, more stuff like this please!

[ruuman]

while I don't agree that hydrogen is the answer it's good to see MCN covering these development, like it or not petrol does has it's days numbered.

[dinodam]

@ruuman, why dont you see hydrogen as an answer?



[ruuman]

@dinodam hi, main reason is it seems like an unnecessary step to me. Needing vast amounts of energy to produce, package and ship hydrogen, then converting that back to electricity in a fuel cell.

A pure electric/battery vehicle has one step and you can produce that electricity however you like and deploy to any location easily and cheaply.

I wish youtube comments weren't so limited then I could go into more detail. Cheers

Ruu

[bbglas007]

@ruuman Take into consideration efficiency rate in which electricity is stored and released into a battery too. Now so long as we improve on that aspect in hydrogen, we will have a perfect medium of energy storage. Something that is indefinitely stored, not an ever eroding capacity and something that wont harm the environment like a lot of conventional batteries. I'm looking forward to nano carbon tanks, better fuel cells and improved solar efficiency (source has to be 100% green too right?)

[ruuman]

@bbglas007 Hi, well I'm no expert on these things, but the efficiency rate of a lithium batteries seems to be 80-90%. Which is pretty good. I'm fairly certain, hydrogen production isn't even close to that. But in my search I did find out urine is 332% more efficient for making hydrogen?!?!

I think we are reaching a very exciting point for all this new tech, whatever wins is going to be better than burning tons of useful petrochemicals to fetch the daily shopping!!

[daswada9]

@ruuman 92% of the Universe is Hydrogen so i think hydrogen is the future or electric

[ZequeZ1]

@daswada9 Yeah, but here it's in form of water, and to obtain it we need to apply energy.

[OhFishyFish]

@daswada9 92% of my flat is a mess, but I'd be careful with claims of mess being the future of energy. ;)

[paladain55]

@ruuman hydrogen on demand is where its at. you dont need a hydrogen fueling station, a massive tank, and its more efficient than these stupid hydrogen fuel cells.... electroylsis

[ruuman]

@paladain55 ok interesting, not heard of that as a workable concept before. I'm familiar with "brown gas" being used in petrol cars, but purely as an MPG increasing additive. Do you have any good links I can read up on? my google searches were quite vague on details.

I'm still an electric supporter, but always good to learn new things. Cheers Ruu

[paladain55]

@ruuman it took me aboutone year to get to where i am, reading everything i can find on the internet. ive got a good e-book you can read if you can want it. i have actually heard of a lot of electrolysis systems that are over unity, which means if 1 amp electricity = 1.25lpm of hho, theyre cell is creating 2lpm @ 1amp. very interesting. browns gas refers to the older systems that use baking soda, new ones dont require electrolyte. im about to creat my own kit and ill let u no how it goes