i like this guys brilliant reasoning. i see 2 year olds reasoning in the same way, and i applaud them for that too. what a hero. i bet he even finished elementary school. look how smart he is.
It's crazy, it's like the conservative Christians are part of an underground network that the liberal elites have shielded me from since I was old enough to believe a lie. Now I've encountered men like Mr. Clavan on the internet and suddenly I feel like I've joined a worldwide brotherhood....which, indeed, I have.
I'm so glad to have met you guys, even if we never met in person. Thank you for what you do; I'm almost ready to take my place among you.
we can't police the the whole world all we ask for is the opportunity to try no more no less yes some businesses will fail but we need at least the opportunity to try
they will always be criminals like bin ladin in this world and grave yards full of them or prison s with them in it but your talking fractions of the whole group you can't judge that way any more the you can say all Americans are terrorist based of McViea a small group can't speak for 99 and 9 ten left
@prafty Wrong. Osama's Big Idea was to make us attack the entire Arab World, after which there would be a great Revolution in the Arab world and the establishment of the Caliphate.
On that day we saw the worst in a handful of human beings, but than we saw the best in thousands. Every act of courage and compassion, every person who helped a stranger. How for a few days entertainers and performers didn't weren't the focus of the media, but rather the real heroes. And we all got reminded of why we wanted to be police and firefighters when we were younger. During hell on earth Americans showed they had character.
The right has one problem they can't bring ideas to the table .to work out the differences we have and they dismiss any thing different then there beliefs every story can have 2 sides unless both side are heard fairness can't happen
if idiots could fly this would be an airport , are you all paid to spout this bull , of course 911 was an inside job and the evidence just keeps on coming , the whole world knows this and were all amazed americans put up with it
People who believe the official 9/11 story believe that a 757 Boeing flew into the most heavily guarded air space in the world and made a 16 foot hole in the pentagon with no traces of plane parts. Isn't it a coincidence also that the owner of the trade centers got insurance specifically for terrorist attacks just weeks before 9/11?
@daPlumber702 He gets it from thin blue air between his and other peoples ears! The thousands of plane parts from all sites are so well documented that only a fool would not believe the evidence.
9/11 was an inside job. There are thousands of architects and engineers that believe that. But we are just some crazy conspiracy nuts that you see on the news. True or not, the media will not touch that side of the story with a 20 foot pole.
Andrew Klavan is your typical Republican Coward! Bald Aryan nation head, long sleeve shirt to cover his prison tattoos of swastika's and his flabby white scrawny arms. Look at his floppy white beer belly, he is your typical Republican Wimp! His Cheesy, Cracky, Corny voice hints of a certain desperation to get his flawed and laughable world view out into the public. Undecided voters are you really taking this pathetic Wimp seriously? I mean really, this guy is a GOOF BALL in CLOWN SHOES!
Sir, you should take care not to ruin a man's good name in libel without just cause. You have no proof of anything you have said. Why must a white man who remembers the most agonizing day in our collective memory be a white supremacist? You see, you have nothing to prove what you say and not reason to suspect that, so I can confidently say, that you, Sir, are an idiot of such great proportions the likes of which this world has never seen before.
Is 2,998 people not enough to realize the very threat of an enemy? Doe's it take a single death as a tragedy than millions as Stalin once qouted to be realized the others desired Hate for one nation or its people? Doe's it take more than one building or one symbol of Historical Inspiration of our nation to make you realize the great impact of anothers conquering of other nations? Will it take more than just one second, minute, hour, day, year for YOU to realize the deadly threat
Umm... in the face of 9-11 we debate the causes for the Civil War? I'm a Southerner, born & bred - but a servant of God and lover of people - and I for one, deeply regretting the inhumanity of that war, am glad we lost. Had we not fought, where would we be today - with our black brothers and sisters still confined to the back of the bus... all so that they could keep picking our cotton? - LongJnSilver -
Look up the Morrill tariff and the tariffs of abomination. That was the real reason for the uncivil war. You could argue that without these tariffs slavery would have been ended without a shot being fired.
Slavery was not the cause of the War for Southern Independence. Slavery was a flashpoint; but the Southron understood (like the Tea Partiers today) that the issue was a federal government attempting to tell them what to do, in violation of the Constitution. For the North, the South was attempting to assert its rights; and had the South seceded peaceably, then the economy & business in the North would have tanked. Slavery was the spin, just as health care & racism are the spins today.
Odd comments about oil from many people here. I would wager that many of the "no blood for oil" folks have never set foot on a rig, refinery, tool yard or port yet they think they understand the most vital and massive industry in the world.
Firstly, "big oil" only does a small fraction of the worlds drilling they are commodity managers more then drilling entities.
Second, we have oil untapped in the US and in Canada and the infrustructure to exploit it easily, but federal law halts it
Thus creating a political issue that two sides get to fight over. Advocates of common sense will argue until they are blue in the face, and never convince anyone who has another agenda, and cares nothing for facts.
@wargrom I'll back this assertion because I am part of an oil conglomerate myself. The largest oil fields have been claimed by the local governments (ironically, many of the countries as socialist and have used their oil industry to help fuel their social programs, unlike America, where we cannot hope to pay for social implementation).
As stated, there are a lot of untapped reserves below our own soil, and will probably be needed to sustain these entitlements we just authorized.
Here's my question: How can you say in one sentence that Bush was an idiot, then in another one say he was brilliant enough to pull off an inside job on 9/11?
9/11 wasn't an inside job. We have enough proof of that, including Bin Laden claiming Al Qaeda responsibility for the attacks. Look at all the facts before you base a decision, and not just the wacko conspiracy theories out there. May God bless1
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Where did I imply Bush single-handedly did it? The truth is Bush and other top officials from several deparments collaboratelively did it.
The Bid Laden "video" is not evidence. First of all, it was sent by the CIA, which can mean anything. If you watch every Bin Laden "video" you'll realise he is younger and older is varying videos and his voice was clearly dubbed over. After the attacks he actually claimed he DIDN'T do the attacks. All the facts? It's you who hasn't looked at the facts.
I've looked at almost all the "Conspiracy" facts that have been accumulated on 9/11, and let's just say "that dog don't hunt."
Just because there are discrepancies in things doesn't mean "inside job," or conspiracy. Instead of recognizing true evil in the world (i.e. terrorism, with Osama Bin Laden as one of the leaders of these terrorist leaders, cruel dictators), you'd rather have us believe that our government is evil for dealing with these figures, and that they're behind the atrocities.
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So have you done any research? I take it you haven't? Given the fact that you call it just "discrepances" confirms you haven't done any research.
Ok let's start with the Pentagon crash. You believe a 757 hit the building just to leave a 16-foot impact hole? Moving on... You believe building 7 collapsed due to fire on a couple floors to fall at freefall speed? You believe the government can't commit atrocities against it's own people given declassified documents like Operation Northwoods?
@2ndCorpsAnv "you'd rather have us believe that our government is ... behind the atrocities." That would probably have to do with the fact that they were.
You say that you've looked at almost all of the facts, though you sound as though you believe the governments' ommission report. It is not as simple as "discrepancies." Compare the lies in the report to the facts presented by professional demolition experts and architects.
@ShepherdSlayer I don't buy into the "9-11 conspiracy" for many reasons but one reason stands head-and-shoulders above the rest: if the governement under George W. Bush was responsible for 9-11, the currently Democrat-controlled government would have exposed it by now as they love nothing more than to feast on Dubya's flesh.
@uk6strings You make a point that many might find hard to argue against, but I must state that the same lefties will mute out anything to protect Dubya 2. Also, liberals are lazy, they reasearch nothing and, if they did, this would reveal truth about their beloved government. That's not something they want.
@ShepherdSlayer You have serious problems and should get some psychiatric help sooner than later. I will keep your sad mental state in my thoughts, I hope you get better.
@ShepherdSlayer No, I believe common sense, and the truth. Which is pretty simple. Some crazy jealous suck asses got in planes, and ran those planes into buildings with a lot of people in them. People just like those crazy (or is it lazy) jealous suck asses are trying to do the same thing every other week now. even without looking up other facts it's plain to see that what you're saying is pretty whack. And when you look up the facts (don't listen to ventura) for yourself it's even easier.
Oh get over it. The inside job argument has been so thoroughly discredited that only nutbags believe it. Everything that Loose Change has put out has been discredited. Everything about their argument is politically motivated and should be considered treason for aiding the enemy as propaganda. Now Ahmedinijaad is quoting this crap. Stop letting yourself be brainwashed.
@ShepherdSlayer Read the book published by Popular Mechanics.
Most nutty conspiracy theories are born because people can't stand the truth. For example, a lone Communist assassinated JFK. Cognitive dissonance everywhere --> "JFK Conspiracy Theories."
For another example, 19 Muslim extremists pull off the biggest terrorist attack in US history. "But we were just getting excited about all cultures being equal!!" --> "Nutso theories about Bush and the Mossad."
@henrycate Popular Mechanics is bullshit and was debunked years ago. Instead of accepting everything that you hear in the mainstream, look something up for yourself. You might learn something.
Camereeno, why weren't those who claimed "inside job" silenced? How did the claims and the alleged evidence get to the mainstream? Gee, the government is so weak, isn't it?
let me quote this: "fools, who would enslave softly us with misguided promises of equality, financial security and endless peace."
This is clearly about Obama. I dont want to say that Obama fixes everything, I dont want to say if he does a good job or not, but I want to say that it is not right to call him a fool just because he is no fool. He is a smart man that you can agree or disgaree with.
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9-11 is NOT the reason the US fights in Iraq or Afghanistan: The reason is Oil, period.
Its not about the amount of oil thats there. Afghanistan is a transitcountry, meaning a country that the oil has to get through to come to europe.
I think he knows that he will have a fight from the conservatives and I also think he is scared of that. But I think it is better to go one way all the way instead of not going one way or the other if you know what I mean.
What I said was not supposed to sound like I dont care about 9/11 I just dont think a war is the reasonable answer...
There is oil in Afghanistan? If the US really wanted oil we should have attacked Canada maybe. I think Obama and most of the government are smart people who are following a bad idea. The idea that the needs of some should enslave the talent and hard work of others.
This is probably the stupidest conspiracy I've ever heard; no wait second stupidest. (The person who thought up the "Bush caused Katrina" conspiracy taking the top spot for the "Most stupid person in America" award) The main thing being that we SAW and have footage of it happening. I noticed on 9/11 that some schools aren't having ceremonies anymore, as if it never happened. Google didn't acknowledge it, even our own troops planned training on 9/11. America is losing it's patriotism.
2:30 Liberty certainly is a great American idea, but it has nothing to do with sanctity or God. Liberty is about freedom. Liberty provides the ability to worship any way you see fit.
Well, that sure makes the case for the Anglo-British/American Empire, with nothing short of World Conquest, and Defense budgets of ungodly amounts of money. Too bad everyone with half a brain, and ceretainly a disposition of dissent, knows that this very empire is responsible not only for 9/11, but all the freedoms that have been taken away from Americans in the name of security from terrorists who live in caves and brandish box cutters. Hmmm, kind of ironic isn't it?
Listen scumbag, I won 10 million dollars the other day on a lottery..I'll pay for your lie detector test.
Anyone can say anything see what I mean.
Ummmmm
no plane parts.
End of Forensic story. Can you swear on your own or your mama's life...that you don't get swine flu for lying about this. Go proof it to the EXPERT PLANE engineers. Liars will have their Karmic day too.
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Oh cool video. Now do this again but about sixth and ninth of august 1945. Or do a piece about when the US didnt dare or couldn`t find it in their honorable and free hearts to help the citizens of the world with the tyrannic germans until they themselves got attacked in 1941. Noble, very noble indeed you americans. Now you are just the singing and dancing monkeys of the world, just for our entertainment. I hope you all die a slow death on the plains of your brave and free country.
I cannnot understand hating an entire group of people for the mistakes of certain ones. Yes. i can. The Bible speaks of it throughout. We are not to be surprised by prejudice. As a Christian, i am not to be surprised by all the persecution that is happening today. If i die, at least it will be for the right reasons. I also do not understand why people watch videos when the know l that they will respond in an ugly, unkind way. It hurts my heart to see such hate in the world.
Need I remind you that it was the deaths of thousands of American soldiers that is the reason you are free and not speaking German or Japanese right now?
The atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki SAVED millions of lives. Yes hundreds of thousands died, but an invasion would have probably cost 1 million American and 5 or more million Japanese lives. War is horrible, but ending wars quickly is more compassionate than letting them drag on needlessly wasting lives and resources. Then what did America do after we defeated Japan and Germany? We turned them into the 2nd and 3rd most powerful economies in the world. But you think we're evil for it?
@CTYankeeinTexas wow great analysis. i am in tears and i fully agree. and you know what, al quada should probably made more civilian victims in the 9-11 attack cause then they would save many more lives too.
Yes than you. I have never heard it said any better. Thank you to the families who unexpectedly lost their loved ones to the cause of freedom. God bless.
And the idea of REVENGE... which lead to the death of nearly a million people... who had absolutely nothing to do with the original attack in the first place.
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It's telling that you chose to delete my earlier comment which was critical of your religious rhetoric and your politicizing of 9/11, yet chose to allow a series of conspiratorial half-thoughts and anti-Obama hyperventilations to populate your forum. I shudder to think of the hypocritical contortions on "fairness" in media your group is able to perform. Of course, in your Pajamas it's oh so much easier to be, shall we say, flexible, when it comes to matters of integrity.
What religious rhetoric are you talking about.Did you learn that term yesterday and decided to use it today or is it your usual policy to brand anything with a reference of God or the American spirit as radical? You purposely choose to see something that's not there through intellectual dishonesty but then again if it doesn't come from the mouth a drone like you then it's common procedure for you to block out every else and cling to your own foolishness
The steel doesn't have to melt. It just has to lose enough of its strength, which happens at much lower temperatures. And it's not the exoskeleton that matters, but the joins that support the floor slabs. One floor lets go, slams into the floor below it (whose supports were never designed for that sudden live load) and the collapse is assured.
After several hours of exposure the steel fatigues and reaches a point where it will no longer support the structure above it and it collapses. Just like when they blow up the old Vegas hotels, the steel under them is taken out so the whole building collapses inward straight down. When the final support gave out it was the straw that broke the camels back and the whole thing came down. Apparently you spent your time in sewing class, not physics!
Ok Junior. I am an engineer (actually own an engineering company). Diesel (jet fuel) auto ignites at just under 600 deg F. That is called the ignition source. The JP2 was consumed moments after impact. The fuel to fatigue the steel (note I did not say melt) was from within the building. Yes concrete and steel buildings are full of flammable material, hence why you have fire departments in downtown Manhattan. (to be continued)
Ok Junior. I am an engineer (actually own an engineering company). Diesel (jet fuel) auto ignites at just under 600 deg F. That is called the ignition source. The JP2 was consumed moments after impact. The fuel to fatigue the steel (note I did not say melt) was from within the building. Yes concrete and steel buildings are full of flammable material, hence why you have fire departments in downtown Manhattan. (to be continued)
The ignition temperature is around 400 F actually, And it has nothing to do with the temperature of the flames inside the Trade Center at the time, With wind helping the fire, highly flamable material inside the structure, the Fuel easily ignites to a temperature high enough to structurally damage the steel inside the building.
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Three other interesting (all be they appalling) things: 1) exploiting a devastating tragedy to advance a political point of view; 2) conflating Freedom and fear; and 3) the right-wing mind's capacity to associate patriotism with proselytism. I'm sure we will see you on Fox News again real soon.
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
Thanks for that, Mr. Klavin. On that day, in a time of despair, destruction, horror and tragedy we united as Americans like never before in his generation, willing to fight back against those who not only did this to us, but those who supported them in even the smallest ways possible.
And now people have turned their backs on that. Those who not only suffered and those who are fighting, militarily and otherwise.
We now have people spreading conspiracies they didn't come to the conclusion to by themselves. We have people denying the reality of what truly happened. We have people who believe it was deserved and choose to sympathize with people who would gladly kill them as well. We have people who have turned coward and either want the enemy to win or are naive enough to believe doing nothing will solve everything, and that justice is not worth the destruction and deaths that took place on that day.
I believe most Americans have common sense and are decent people. The acrimony and hatred that we see so often is from a few who are outside the norm, I love my country and find it sad. God bless America and her people.
Conspiracy only exist because they have not become scandals. There aremany things our govt has done to us. Injecting minorities with syphilis being one. Radiation experiments, drug experiments, etc. It is when you doubt something cant hurt you, is when it can.
Can a 110-story skyscraper collapse straight down through the path of maximum resistance and disappear into complete powder and dust?
No. It defies Newtons second law of motion.
Did you know that 60% of the 911 commissioners have come out publicly and stated that the government agreed not to tell the truth about 911 and that the Pentagon was involved in a cover up along with the White House? In fact Senator Max Cleland resigned from the commission stating that is was a national scandal.
So, how exactly should a skycraper fall if an airplane hits it?
You should be more concerned where you're getting these conspiracy theories. As a non-American and a non-westerner, I can tell you honestly there are people who really do hate your country and would gladly do these things if the opportunity arises.
How can you people really come onto this video, and say that 9/11 was all a conspiracy? Why is the idea that there are people in the world that hate America and everything she stands for so hard to understand?
You people are sick, and discraceful. Please stop spewing these lies.
So being a comedian is how you pay your respects to the victims? You are only fueling the lies. Scum. The jet fuel was cool burning (around 800°) and you need 2750°F to melt steel. Do you think fire can bring down a 110-story steel skyscraper, collapsing straight down through the path of maximum resistance in little over 10sec? Hundreds of thousands of tons with constructional steel. It is high school physics buddy. I suggest you read up on the subject.
Oh I love you kids who just watch loose change and think you know engineering! Oh boy and you haven't even recognized the false facts yet either!
Here it is kiddo the melting point of the steel alloy used in buildings is around 2500 degrees F. While conventional jet fuel full burns at easily 3000-4000 degrees F or about 1600 Celsius. This is all basic thermodynamics so why don't you get an education and stop believing everything you hear from the uneducated fools on loose change?
Kid? I could be your father, and constructional engineering is my profession. What if your degree on this subject? I have looked at the collapse and studied the blueprints for years. My conclusion, and has been for many years, is that the collapse would have been asymmetrical due to the single fact that the damage done was in fact ASYMMETRICAL. The only possible outcome would be a slow partial or asymmetrical collapse. That didn't happen *DOH*
Oh boy haha you have been looking at the blue prints for the twin towers? You have really? The same blue prints that are Top Secret?
You do know that major buildings that, hold national trade information, do have restrictions on the access to their Blue Prints? Nice try kid, you have never seen a diff Eq have you? You don't know a thing about Dynamics or Statics huh? Stop trying to act all cool on the internet, Because the people that do know their stuff will make you look like a fool.
That's why NIST is a company that revolves around Standards and Security huh? It's the National Institute of Standards and Security? See NIST doesn't have anything to do with the world trade center and their blue prints.
Its just like saying ASME has controls the European standards of engineering, You can throw out a society and claim anything, but you still have no Factual evidence to support your claim. So please keep talking out your ass kid.
So you have nothing to say do you? I'm a Mechanical Engineer, with a masters degree in thermo-fluid dynamics. I don't have some pathetic civil engineering degree like you. Oh and nice "Constructional" engineering, did you pick up your college catalog to figure that one out?
Show me the equation for calculating heat transfer rate to current flow in electrical circuits and then describe how you extract the thermal conductivity percentage.
So do you want to keep finding some random questions off google to question me with kid? My line of work has nothing to do with all the little random formulas you kids need in college, I work specifically with fuel injection systems in aircraft engines. Hence the "thermo-fluid" aspect of the name. So just stop while you are ahead kiddo.
You don't want to play? That answer is not sufficient. At least I got my answer. What ever expertise you claim to have, it clearly didn't help you in this case. The dynamic force created out of gravitational energy during initial collapse would not be anywhere near enough for all steel columns to fail simultaneously. NIST failed to explain the preceding collapse (naturally) and their report only covers the initiation of collapse. Why do you think that is?
It didn't help me? Can you not read? Every answer I give you that disproves you claims you just disregard and move onto some other Googled question.
NIST only "failed" to prove the collapse because you were not looking for proof of the real collapse, you're just looking for proof to support your own ideas. So you are trying to tell me the collapse of the top floors didn't have enough force to take down the rest of the tower? Come on kid, you expect me to think you're an engineer?
You are not making any sense. Actually I mostly work with architectural visualization these days, but I care little of what you think. I'm the one staying on topic while you are trying to discredit me personally. Seems like you are lacking hard arguments. What are you trying to achieve? My conclusions are the same as many of the experts with more experience then me in this field. I would say you are way over your head.
Burning jet fuel weakened the steel supporting several floors. One floor falls, effectively doubling the weight supported by the floor beneath it. Bottom line, the floors failed in succession and by the time you got to a floor unaffected by the heat, the weight was far too much (especially when you consider the momentum of the floors above). You don't have to be an engineer to understand this.
umm...there are other properties to jet fuel than just heat. Anyway...I'm done with the disrespect you "truthers" bring to our country. Be thankful you have people willing to fight so you can disrespect them.
Most if not all the jet fuel went up in flames during the impact. That is what you see in the video. The big yellow explosion covering the whole screen? You didn't see it? Maybe it was office material like computers and stuff burning REAL fast! Seriously. Besides, ask any fireman. When smoke turns black that means the fire is cool burning and on the way to extinguish itself. The office computers, papers and what not went up in flames pretty quickly.
they have remote controlled missles that look like small planes are not passenger planes called doomsday planes. I have a video that shows black smoke is not fire and couldn't burn a building down let alone 3.
I have tears in my eyes...some of rememberance..some of sadness..some of anger..some of frustration..some of confusion.....who will step forward to lead? ...God save America...PLEASE
I am sorry Andrew- I wasn't able to listen to you properly while watching the scenes behind you, because of the rush of emotions and memories and tears they brought. I will play this again, in a few hours when I am able to handle it, and move the cursor so I can't see the screen. Thank you, and may God Bless America.
Inspiration and wisdom together
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i like this guys brilliant reasoning. i see 2 year olds reasoning in the same way, and i applaud them for that too. what a hero. i bet he even finished elementary school. look how smart he is.
xdroon3 8 months ago
Obviously 17 people support terrorism.
NoGuff 9 months ago
It's crazy, it's like the conservative Christians are part of an underground network that the liberal elites have shielded me from since I was old enough to believe a lie. Now I've encountered men like Mr. Clavan on the internet and suddenly I feel like I've joined a worldwide brotherhood....which, indeed, I have.
I'm so glad to have met you guys, even if we never met in person. Thank you for what you do; I'm almost ready to take my place among you.
Eph. 6:10-20
dougmoerhoffman 10 months ago 6
we can't police the the whole world all we ask for is the opportunity to try no more no less yes some businesses will fail but we need at least the opportunity to try
1961arnie 10 months ago
they will always be criminals like bin ladin in this world and grave yards full of them or prison s with them in it but your talking fractions of the whole group you can't judge that way any more the you can say all Americans are terrorist based of McViea a small group can't speak for 99 and 9 ten left
1961arnie 10 months ago
What a beautifull video. Congratulations Andrew Klavan.
Hulkmania316 10 months ago 2
the attacks were mainly due to america's ties with israel and milltary bases in saudi arabia, not because we're non-believers.
prafty 11 months ago
@prafty Wrong. Osama's Big Idea was to make us attack the entire Arab World, after which there would be a great Revolution in the Arab world and the establishment of the Caliphate.
henrycate 10 months ago
Incredible. I got intense chills all the way through, thank you Andrew.
Goldenglimmer 1 year ago 2
On that day we saw the worst in a handful of human beings, but than we saw the best in thousands. Every act of courage and compassion, every person who helped a stranger. How for a few days entertainers and performers didn't weren't the focus of the media, but rather the real heroes. And we all got reminded of why we wanted to be police and firefighters when we were younger. During hell on earth Americans showed they had character.
NJburbsSeeker 1 year ago 2
The right has one problem they can't bring ideas to the table .to work out the differences we have and they dismiss any thing different then there beliefs every story can have 2 sides unless both side are heard fairness can't happen
1961arnie 1 year ago
Andrew Klavan's masterpiece.
henrycate 1 year ago
if idiots could fly this would be an airport , are you all paid to spout this bull , of course 911 was an inside job and the evidence just keeps on coming , the whole world knows this and were all amazed americans put up with it
tonythatjesusloves 1 year ago
That's as good an explanation of the "Meaning" of 9/11 as I've ever heard. The American idea of Freedom must be cherished and defended.
Txbertie 1 year ago 4
I wanna join PJTV!!!
hugatreekillababy 1 year ago 2
People who believe the official 9/11 story believe that a 757 Boeing flew into the most heavily guarded air space in the world and made a 16 foot hole in the pentagon with no traces of plane parts. Isn't it a coincidence also that the owner of the trade centers got insurance specifically for terrorist attacks just weeks before 9/11?
sneedledout 1 year ago
@sneedledout where do you get that there were "no plane parts"
daPlumber702 1 year ago
@daPlumber702 He gets it from thin blue air between his and other peoples ears! The thousands of plane parts from all sites are so well documented that only a fool would not believe the evidence.
teel6060 1 year ago
9/11 was an inside job. There are thousands of architects and engineers that believe that. But we are just some crazy conspiracy nuts that you see on the news. True or not, the media will not touch that side of the story with a 20 foot pole.
sneedledout 1 year ago
The best video yet I've seen!
this is Inspiring!
TheSilverEagle100 2 years ago
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what a wanker
prafty 2 years ago
Prafty please explain without insulting me or using vulgarity how Andrew Claven is a wanker. Justify your opinion.
Siegetower 2 years ago
prafty will have to find out from his masters what to say LOL
kentuckydan 2 years ago
it's not in the nature of some people to leave people in peace.....
wes19er 2 years ago
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Andrew Klavan is your typical Republican Coward! Bald Aryan nation head, long sleeve shirt to cover his prison tattoos of swastika's and his flabby white scrawny arms. Look at his floppy white beer belly, he is your typical Republican Wimp! His Cheesy, Cracky, Corny voice hints of a certain desperation to get his flawed and laughable world view out into the public. Undecided voters are you really taking this pathetic Wimp seriously? I mean really, this guy is a GOOF BALL in CLOWN SHOES!
IamSARAHPALINtheDOLT 2 years ago
Sir, you should take care not to ruin a man's good name in libel without just cause. You have no proof of anything you have said. Why must a white man who remembers the most agonizing day in our collective memory be a white supremacist? You see, you have nothing to prove what you say and not reason to suspect that, so I can confidently say, that you, Sir, are an idiot of such great proportions the likes of which this world has never seen before.
blkbltVette 2 years ago
TheSilverEagle100 2 years ago
September 11, 2009 was the worst day ever.
Paulwhoisvegan 2 years ago
uhh, I think you mean 2001.
blkbltVette 2 years ago
does anyone know the name of the Soundtrack in 3:35 ?
zwayd 2 years ago
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I was amused by the comment that America is under attack from within as well.
So people who disagree with Klavan are not just wrong, they are attacking America and are morally equivilant to 9-11 hijackers.
I love how these videos just throw out 'facts'
with no sources, no evidence, or explanation.
Didn't Limbaugh had a name for doing that?
Welcome to the drive by media Klavan! You will fit right in!
funkydanieluk 2 years ago
@funkydanieluk
Marxism is death.
diskpanic 2 years ago 11
Actually he espouses the ideas contained in Alex de Tocqueville's "Democracy in America"
kentuckydan 2 years ago
Umm... in the face of 9-11 we debate the causes for the Civil War? I'm a Southerner, born & bred - but a servant of God and lover of people - and I for one, deeply regretting the inhumanity of that war, am glad we lost. Had we not fought, where would we be today - with our black brothers and sisters still confined to the back of the bus... all so that they could keep picking our cotton? - LongJnSilver -
LongJnSilver 2 years ago 3
Look up the Morrill tariff and the tariffs of abomination. That was the real reason for the uncivil war. You could argue that without these tariffs slavery would have been ended without a shot being fired.
philhh65 2 years ago
No we would be speaking either Japanese or German, had the US balkanized there would have been no Arsenal of Democracy,
kentuckydan 2 years ago 2
Klavan that WAS THE BOMB! God Bless you brother.
roosterjeeper 2 years ago
Slavery was not the cause of the War for Southern Independence. Slavery was a flashpoint; but the Southron understood (like the Tea Partiers today) that the issue was a federal government attempting to tell them what to do, in violation of the Constitution. For the North, the South was attempting to assert its rights; and had the South seceded peaceably, then the economy & business in the North would have tanked. Slavery was the spin, just as health care & racism are the spins today.
songspiritUSA 2 years ago
yeah slavery was not the cause, tehy seceeded for state's rights which had nothing to do with slavery.
MongoloidBabyUSA 2 years ago
Odd comments about oil from many people here. I would wager that many of the "no blood for oil" folks have never set foot on a rig, refinery, tool yard or port yet they think they understand the most vital and massive industry in the world.
Firstly, "big oil" only does a small fraction of the worlds drilling they are commodity managers more then drilling entities.
Second, we have oil untapped in the US and in Canada and the infrustructure to exploit it easily, but federal law halts it
wargrom 2 years ago 4
Thus creating a political issue that two sides get to fight over. Advocates of common sense will argue until they are blue in the face, and never convince anyone who has another agenda, and cares nothing for facts.
songspiritUSA 2 years ago
@wargrom I'll back this assertion because I am part of an oil conglomerate myself. The largest oil fields have been claimed by the local governments (ironically, many of the countries as socialist and have used their oil industry to help fuel their social programs, unlike America, where we cannot hope to pay for social implementation).
As stated, there are a lot of untapped reserves below our own soil, and will probably be needed to sustain these entitlements we just authorized.
ShockwavePulsis 1 year ago
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9/11 was an inside job. We don't need any trash like this that condones the facts.
camreeno360 2 years ago
Here's my question: How can you say in one sentence that Bush was an idiot, then in another one say he was brilliant enough to pull off an inside job on 9/11?
9/11 wasn't an inside job. We have enough proof of that, including Bin Laden claiming Al Qaeda responsibility for the attacks. Look at all the facts before you base a decision, and not just the wacko conspiracy theories out there. May God bless1
2ndCorpsAnv 2 years ago 6
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Where did I imply Bush single-handedly did it? The truth is Bush and other top officials from several deparments collaboratelively did it.
The Bid Laden "video" is not evidence. First of all, it was sent by the CIA, which can mean anything. If you watch every Bin Laden "video" you'll realise he is younger and older is varying videos and his voice was clearly dubbed over. After the attacks he actually claimed he DIDN'T do the attacks. All the facts? It's you who hasn't looked at the facts.
camreeno360 2 years ago
I've looked at almost all the "Conspiracy" facts that have been accumulated on 9/11, and let's just say "that dog don't hunt."
Just because there are discrepancies in things doesn't mean "inside job," or conspiracy. Instead of recognizing true evil in the world (i.e. terrorism, with Osama Bin Laden as one of the leaders of these terrorist leaders, cruel dictators), you'd rather have us believe that our government is evil for dealing with these figures, and that they're behind the atrocities.
2ndCorpsAnv 2 years ago 44
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So have you done any research? I take it you haven't? Given the fact that you call it just "discrepances" confirms you haven't done any research.
Ok let's start with the Pentagon crash. You believe a 757 hit the building just to leave a 16-foot impact hole? Moving on... You believe building 7 collapsed due to fire on a couple floors to fall at freefall speed? You believe the government can't commit atrocities against it's own people given declassified documents like Operation Northwoods?
camreeno360 2 years ago
@2ndCorpsAnv "you'd rather have us believe that our government is ... behind the atrocities." That would probably have to do with the fact that they were.
You say that you've looked at almost all of the facts, though you sound as though you believe the governments' ommission report. It is not as simple as "discrepancies." Compare the lies in the report to the facts presented by professional demolition experts and architects.
ShepherdSlayer 1 year ago
@ShepherdSlayer I don't buy into the "9-11 conspiracy" for many reasons but one reason stands head-and-shoulders above the rest: if the governement under George W. Bush was responsible for 9-11, the currently Democrat-controlled government would have exposed it by now as they love nothing more than to feast on Dubya's flesh.
uk6strings 1 year ago 4
@uk6strings You make a point that many might find hard to argue against, but I must state that the same lefties will mute out anything to protect Dubya 2. Also, liberals are lazy, they reasearch nothing and, if they did, this would reveal truth about their beloved government. That's not something they want.
ShepherdSlayer 1 year ago
@ShepherdSlayer You have serious problems and should get some psychiatric help sooner than later. I will keep your sad mental state in my thoughts, I hope you get better.
daPlumber702 1 year ago
@daPlumber702 Obviously, I'm not the one who needs help. Do you believe everything in the ommission report?
ShepherdSlayer 1 year ago
@ShepherdSlayer No, I believe common sense, and the truth. Which is pretty simple. Some crazy jealous suck asses got in planes, and ran those planes into buildings with a lot of people in them. People just like those crazy (or is it lazy) jealous suck asses are trying to do the same thing every other week now. even without looking up other facts it's plain to see that what you're saying is pretty whack. And when you look up the facts (don't listen to ventura) for yourself it's even easier.
daPlumber702 1 year ago 3
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Oh get over it. The inside job argument has been so thoroughly discredited that only nutbags believe it. Everything that Loose Change has put out has been discredited. Everything about their argument is politically motivated and should be considered treason for aiding the enemy as propaganda. Now Ahmedinijaad is quoting this crap. Stop letting yourself be brainwashed.
droidzilla22 1 year ago 5
@ShepherdSlayer Read the book published by Popular Mechanics.
Most nutty conspiracy theories are born because people can't stand the truth. For example, a lone Communist assassinated JFK. Cognitive dissonance everywhere --> "JFK Conspiracy Theories."
For another example, 19 Muslim extremists pull off the biggest terrorist attack in US history. "But we were just getting excited about all cultures being equal!!" --> "Nutso theories about Bush and the Mossad."
henrycate 1 year ago
@henrycate Popular Mechanics is bullshit and was debunked years ago. Instead of accepting everything that you hear in the mainstream, look something up for yourself. You might learn something.
ShepherdSlayer 1 year ago
Camereeno, why weren't those who claimed "inside job" silenced? How did the claims and the alleged evidence get to the mainstream? Gee, the government is so weak, isn't it?
TomerMMHA 2 years ago
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TexanSecession 2 years ago
Outstanding piece! Bravo, Andrew Klavan!
AseretProductions 2 years ago
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let me quote this: "fools, who would enslave softly us with misguided promises of equality, financial security and endless peace."
This is clearly about Obama. I dont want to say that Obama fixes everything, I dont want to say if he does a good job or not, but I want to say that it is not right to call him a fool just because he is no fool. He is a smart man that you can agree or disgaree with.
2.:
9-11 is NOT the reason the US fights in Iraq or Afghanistan: The reason is Oil, period.
LangerTilman 2 years ago
Are you insane? Afghanistan provides less than 2% of all the oil we get. Get your head out of the sand.
and if Obama thinks he's going to change this country without a fight from conservatives, then he is a fool.
darkgaizat 2 years ago
Its not about the amount of oil thats there. Afghanistan is a transitcountry, meaning a country that the oil has to get through to come to europe.
I think he knows that he will have a fight from the conservatives and I also think he is scared of that. But I think it is better to go one way all the way instead of not going one way or the other if you know what I mean.
What I said was not supposed to sound like I dont care about 9/11 I just dont think a war is the reasonable answer...
LangerTilman 2 years ago
oh and no sorry, im not insane ;)
LangerTilman 2 years ago
There is oil in Afghanistan? If the US really wanted oil we should have attacked Canada maybe. I think Obama and most of the government are smart people who are following a bad idea. The idea that the needs of some should enslave the talent and hard work of others.
underbird 2 years ago 2
Thank you for the video, I wish more people would understand what is being said, it is a choice, freedom or false security...
Though choosing false security means no freedom and no choice.
GBS990 2 years ago
This is probably the stupidest conspiracy I've ever heard; no wait second stupidest. (The person who thought up the "Bush caused Katrina" conspiracy taking the top spot for the "Most stupid person in America" award) The main thing being that we SAW and have footage of it happening. I noticed on 9/11 that some schools aren't having ceremonies anymore, as if it never happened. Google didn't acknowledge it, even our own troops planned training on 9/11. America is losing it's patriotism.
Chugalg 2 years ago 2
2:30 Liberty certainly is a great American idea, but it has nothing to do with sanctity or God. Liberty is about freedom. Liberty provides the ability to worship any way you see fit.
go4011s 2 years ago
Ever read the Declaration of Independence?
Ijjycoyote 2 years ago
Well, that sure makes the case for the Anglo-British/American Empire, with nothing short of World Conquest, and Defense budgets of ungodly amounts of money. Too bad everyone with half a brain, and ceretainly a disposition of dissent, knows that this very empire is responsible not only for 9/11, but all the freedoms that have been taken away from Americans in the name of security from terrorists who live in caves and brandish box cutters. Hmmm, kind of ironic isn't it?
RESIST CONTROL!
zabones 2 years ago
zab: And yet here you stand antagonizing the country that supposedly did that.
You are either an idiot for doing so or suicidal. I do not care as I know fact rather than conspiracy theories.
wormer105 2 years ago
I cannot believe the horrid comments following this video. (Shakes head).
nourachi 2 years ago
Listen scumbag, I won 10 million dollars the other day on a lottery..I'll pay for your lie detector test.
Anyone can say anything see what I mean.
Ummmmm
no plane parts.
End of Forensic story. Can you swear on your own or your mama's life...that you don't get swine flu for lying about this. Go proof it to the EXPERT PLANE engineers. Liars will have their Karmic day too.
Good fucking luck scumbag.
SherrieLeaLaird 2 years ago
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Americans make me laugh never can put up a good argument
lucy1938203 2 years ago
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Oh cool video. Now do this again but about sixth and ninth of august 1945. Or do a piece about when the US didnt dare or couldn`t find it in their honorable and free hearts to help the citizens of the world with the tyrannic germans until they themselves got attacked in 1941. Noble, very noble indeed you americans. Now you are just the singing and dancing monkeys of the world, just for our entertainment. I hope you all die a slow death on the plains of your brave and free country.
AlexanderHvass 2 years ago
I cannnot understand hating an entire group of people for the mistakes of certain ones. Yes. i can. The Bible speaks of it throughout. We are not to be surprised by prejudice. As a Christian, i am not to be surprised by all the persecution that is happening today. If i die, at least it will be for the right reasons. I also do not understand why people watch videos when the know l that they will respond in an ugly, unkind way. It hurts my heart to see such hate in the world.
alvastarr67 2 years ago 3
Need I remind you that it was the deaths of thousands of American soldiers that is the reason you are free and not speaking German or Japanese right now?
paperboi007 2 years ago 7
The atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki SAVED millions of lives. Yes hundreds of thousands died, but an invasion would have probably cost 1 million American and 5 or more million Japanese lives. War is horrible, but ending wars quickly is more compassionate than letting them drag on needlessly wasting lives and resources. Then what did America do after we defeated Japan and Germany? We turned them into the 2nd and 3rd most powerful economies in the world. But you think we're evil for it?
CTYankeeinTexas 2 years ago 60
@CTYankeeinTexas wow great analysis. i am in tears and i fully agree. and you know what, al quada should probably made more civilian victims in the 9-11 attack cause then they would save many more lives too.
xdroon3 8 months ago
so you think you have a right to make the U.S.A. help you? you just made a better argument for Isolationism than any American could have.
panzer903 2 years ago
Please put your hands *out* of your pockets!
This unfavorable pose nearly ruined the effect of your moving speech.
scamandrian 2 years ago
I would agree, but I did enjoy the content otherwise.
Coolins335 2 years ago
Beautifully spoken!
staffman08 2 years ago
19 terrorists AND BUSH
smettiuss 2 years ago
minus the 19 terrorists.
SherrieLeaLaird 2 years ago
I knew PJTV would have an outstanding report about 9/11. Thank you, thank you.
lenny380 2 years ago
Your explanation of liberty was very good. I recommend that liberals watch this.
skibiskit 2 years ago
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I rolled on the floor laughing when I saw people jumping - 9/11 was epic pwnage
Dreadwins 2 years ago
Did you just say what I thought you said?
purplegrl27 2 years ago 2
loud and proud.
The victims WILL see justice when that dude is in an orange suit and shackles and FORENSIC SCIENCE will show him to his cell.
Stand down on this mofo.
SherrieLeaLaird 2 years ago
Dreadwins, You have the liberty to leave the United States and give up your citizenship. I encourage you to do this.
albatrossforlife 2 years ago 3
Yes than you. I have never heard it said any better. Thank you to the families who unexpectedly lost their loved ones to the cause of freedom. God bless.
JR042083 2 years ago
Thank you, Andrew. Well spoken, as usual, and a beautiful tribute to the power of the American ideal.
buyog2099 2 years ago 2
Thank You. I pray for the Americans who lost their lives and the the future failure of other Jihadist activities.
DasGreenCow 2 years ago 2
And the idea of REVENGE... which lead to the death of nearly a million people... who had absolutely nothing to do with the original attack in the first place.
Ian7570 2 years ago
You do realize that nobody cares about them, right?
I mean, who cares about the Iraq or Afghanistan when we just can show pictures of 911?
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legendry2012 2 years ago
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pjtv fear mongers, lucky this channel has no class
0thumbsdown0 2 years ago
It really pisses me off when people lighten the matter of 9/11. We don't need to harp on about it, but we should never forget, and always remember.
sponsoredbydinosaurs 2 years ago
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It's telling that you chose to delete my earlier comment which was critical of your religious rhetoric and your politicizing of 9/11, yet chose to allow a series of conspiratorial half-thoughts and anti-Obama hyperventilations to populate your forum. I shudder to think of the hypocritical contortions on "fairness" in media your group is able to perform. Of course, in your Pajamas it's oh so much easier to be, shall we say, flexible, when it comes to matters of integrity.
scornflakes 2 years ago
What religious rhetoric are you talking about.Did you learn that term yesterday and decided to use it today or is it your usual policy to brand anything with a reference of God or the American spirit as radical? You purposely choose to see something that's not there through intellectual dishonesty but then again if it doesn't come from the mouth a drone like you then it's common procedure for you to block out every else and cling to your own foolishness
Groudie101 2 years ago
Then why would their be bodies on top of other buildings? Please Explain
mattbell87 2 years ago
Great audio intro..
Sounds familiar.
mosquewatcher 2 years ago
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Klavan sounds like some sort of terrorist name
adrastea99 2 years ago
The steel doesn't have to melt. It just has to lose enough of its strength, which happens at much lower temperatures. And it's not the exoskeleton that matters, but the joins that support the floor slabs. One floor lets go, slams into the floor below it (whose supports were never designed for that sudden live load) and the collapse is assured.
sthlammert 2 years ago 4
After several hours of exposure the steel fatigues and reaches a point where it will no longer support the structure above it and it collapses. Just like when they blow up the old Vegas hotels, the steel under them is taken out so the whole building collapses inward straight down. When the final support gave out it was the straw that broke the camels back and the whole thing came down. Apparently you spent your time in sewing class, not physics!
azielenski 2 years ago 2
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Ok Junior. I am an engineer (actually own an engineering company). Diesel (jet fuel) auto ignites at just under 600 deg F. That is called the ignition source. The JP2 was consumed moments after impact. The fuel to fatigue the steel (note I did not say melt) was from within the building. Yes concrete and steel buildings are full of flammable material, hence why you have fire departments in downtown Manhattan. (to be continued)
azielenski 2 years ago
Ok Junior. I am an engineer (actually own an engineering company). Diesel (jet fuel) auto ignites at just under 600 deg F. That is called the ignition source. The JP2 was consumed moments after impact. The fuel to fatigue the steel (note I did not say melt) was from within the building. Yes concrete and steel buildings are full of flammable material, hence why you have fire departments in downtown Manhattan. (to be continued)
azielenski 2 years ago 2
The ignition temperature is around 400 F actually, And it has nothing to do with the temperature of the flames inside the Trade Center at the time, With wind helping the fire, highly flamable material inside the structure, the Fuel easily ignites to a temperature high enough to structurally damage the steel inside the building.
Se3KTru7h 2 years ago
Great video, Mr. Klavan.
CowboyArtist 2 years ago
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Three other interesting (all be they appalling) things: 1) exploiting a devastating tragedy to advance a political point of view; 2) conflating Freedom and fear; and 3) the right-wing mind's capacity to associate patriotism with proselytism. I'm sure we will see you on Fox News again real soon.
scornflakes 2 years ago
Liberty!
702otown 2 years ago 2
God bless.
deadmau5ARGURU 2 years ago 2
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
--John Stewart Mill--
defconfour12 2 years ago 6
CheezeMaster - you have the LIBERTY to say that.
Thank you Mr. Klavan, Liberty is a precious gift.
yonvunega2000 2 years ago 4
This guy kinda reminds me of the Voice from the
Twilight zone.
ha ha.
zztopis 2 years ago
Thanks for spelling this out, Mr, Klavan. I wish more people realized the importance of liberty.
Ithacastudent 2 years ago 2
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klavan is a willfully complicit liar
CheeezMaster 2 years ago
That was awsome!
AJSensei 2 years ago
Thanks for that, Mr. Klavin. On that day, in a time of despair, destruction, horror and tragedy we united as Americans like never before in his generation, willing to fight back against those who not only did this to us, but those who supported them in even the smallest ways possible.
And now people have turned their backs on that. Those who not only suffered and those who are fighting, militarily and otherwise.
SestrenNK 2 years ago 3
We now have people spreading conspiracies they didn't come to the conclusion to by themselves. We have people denying the reality of what truly happened. We have people who believe it was deserved and choose to sympathize with people who would gladly kill them as well. We have people who have turned coward and either want the enemy to win or are naive enough to believe doing nothing will solve everything, and that justice is not worth the destruction and deaths that took place on that day.
SestrenNK 2 years ago 4
I believe most Americans have common sense and are decent people. The acrimony and hatred that we see so often is from a few who are outside the norm, I love my country and find it sad. God bless America and her people.
wisteria210 2 years ago 3
find the truth in the web about 911. Inside job, SURE!
POWERSLAVE2222 2 years ago
GOD BLESS, Those Souls & Thier Families, Lost on that Horrific Day!
Civilians, just going to work,Police, Fire,
Rescue,Military & All Others!
DEO VINDICE!
rebelstang 2 years ago 5
Conspiracy only exist because they have not become scandals. There aremany things our govt has done to us. Injecting minorities with syphilis being one. Radiation experiments, drug experiments, etc. It is when you doubt something cant hurt you, is when it can.
Zoklor 2 years ago
Thank you, Andrew. You're usually spot on, but today you have the truest aim.
sorcha425 2 years ago 2
Excellent video...5 stars. Never forget, especially these days. Thank you!
rayban5016 2 years ago 4
good lord, you 911-truthers.....please, for the love of god, stfu.
bloominbilgerat69 2 years ago 8
Can a 110-story skyscraper collapse straight down through the path of maximum resistance and disappear into complete powder and dust?
No. It defies Newtons second law of motion.
Did you know that 60% of the 911 commissioners have come out publicly and stated that the government agreed not to tell the truth about 911 and that the Pentagon was involved in a cover up along with the White House? In fact Senator Max Cleland resigned from the commission stating that is was a national scandal.
accersitusmaximus 2 years ago
So, how exactly should a skycraper fall if an airplane hits it?
You should be more concerned where you're getting these conspiracy theories. As a non-American and a non-westerner, I can tell you honestly there are people who really do hate your country and would gladly do these things if the opportunity arises.
emmthreejonny 2 years ago 2
How can you people really come onto this video, and say that 9/11 was all a conspiracy? Why is the idea that there are people in the world that hate America and everything she stands for so hard to understand?
You people are sick, and discraceful. Please stop spewing these lies.
polko59 2 years ago 3
Taking heat and gravity into account, straight down is the path of LEAST resistance.
bookhound63 2 years ago
Newton's law did not account for Jet Fuel.
albatrossforlife 2 years ago
Newton's Law + Jet fuel & weakening of steel by heating = 2 mighty towers leveled by SATAN and backed by bankers and the liberals who worship them.
mazakman1957 2 years ago
So being a comedian is how you pay your respects to the victims? You are only fueling the lies. Scum. The jet fuel was cool burning (around 800°) and you need 2750°F to melt steel. Do you think fire can bring down a 110-story steel skyscraper, collapsing straight down through the path of maximum resistance in little over 10sec? Hundreds of thousands of tons with constructional steel. It is high school physics buddy. I suggest you read up on the subject.
accersitusmaximus 2 years ago
Oh I love you kids who just watch loose change and think you know engineering! Oh boy and you haven't even recognized the false facts yet either!
Here it is kiddo the melting point of the steel alloy used in buildings is around 2500 degrees F. While conventional jet fuel full burns at easily 3000-4000 degrees F or about 1600 Celsius. This is all basic thermodynamics so why don't you get an education and stop believing everything you hear from the uneducated fools on loose change?
Se3KTru7h 2 years ago
Kid? I could be your father, and constructional engineering is my profession. What if your degree on this subject? I have looked at the collapse and studied the blueprints for years. My conclusion, and has been for many years, is that the collapse would have been asymmetrical due to the single fact that the damage done was in fact ASYMMETRICAL. The only possible outcome would be a slow partial or asymmetrical collapse. That didn't happen *DOH*
accersitusmaximus 2 years ago
Oh boy haha you have been looking at the blue prints for the twin towers? You have really? The same blue prints that are Top Secret?
You do know that major buildings that, hold national trade information, do have restrictions on the access to their Blue Prints? Nice try kid, you have never seen a diff Eq have you? You don't know a thing about Dynamics or Statics huh? Stop trying to act all cool on the internet, Because the people that do know their stuff will make you look like a fool.
Se3KTru7h 2 years ago
NIST released the blueprints with their reports, that I also studied. In this case I was talking about sections and floor plans on WTC7.
So who is looking stupid now? Irony at it's best it seems.
You didn't answer my question.
accersitusmaximus 2 years ago
That's why NIST is a company that revolves around Standards and Security huh? It's the National Institute of Standards and Security? See NIST doesn't have anything to do with the world trade center and their blue prints.
Its just like saying ASME has controls the European standards of engineering, You can throw out a society and claim anything, but you still have no Factual evidence to support your claim. So please keep talking out your ass kid.
Se3KTru7h 2 years ago
Answer my question.
accersitusmaximus 2 years ago
So you have nothing to say do you? I'm a Mechanical Engineer, with a masters degree in thermo-fluid dynamics. I don't have some pathetic civil engineering degree like you. Oh and nice "Constructional" engineering, did you pick up your college catalog to figure that one out?
Se3KTru7h 2 years ago
Show me the equation for calculating heat transfer rate to current flow in electrical circuits and then describe how you extract the thermal conductivity percentage.
Without using Google. Clock is ticking.
accersitusmaximus 2 years ago
Q = deltaT/R
Q = Heat Flux
deltaT = temperature change
R = Thermal resistance
So do you want to keep finding some random questions off google to question me with kid? My line of work has nothing to do with all the little random formulas you kids need in college, I work specifically with fuel injection systems in aircraft engines. Hence the "thermo-fluid" aspect of the name. So just stop while you are ahead kiddo.
Se3KTru7h 2 years ago
You don't want to play? That answer is not sufficient. At least I got my answer. What ever expertise you claim to have, it clearly didn't help you in this case. The dynamic force created out of gravitational energy during initial collapse would not be anywhere near enough for all steel columns to fail simultaneously. NIST failed to explain the preceding collapse (naturally) and their report only covers the initiation of collapse. Why do you think that is?
Maybe you will do a better job?
accersitusmaximus 2 years ago
haha unleash hell on these amateurs Accer :) he got no clue who is up against.
aartbrows 2 years ago
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I'm just trying to help.
accersitusmaximus 2 years ago
It didn't help me? Can you not read? Every answer I give you that disproves you claims you just disregard and move onto some other Googled question.
NIST only "failed" to prove the collapse because you were not looking for proof of the real collapse, you're just looking for proof to support your own ideas. So you are trying to tell me the collapse of the top floors didn't have enough force to take down the rest of the tower? Come on kid, you expect me to think you're an engineer?
Se3KTru7h 2 years ago
You are not making any sense. Actually I mostly work with architectural visualization these days, but I care little of what you think. I'm the one staying on topic while you are trying to discredit me personally. Seems like you are lacking hard arguments. What are you trying to achieve? My conclusions are the same as many of the experts with more experience then me in this field. I would say you are way over your head.
accersitusmaximus 2 years ago
Burning jet fuel weakened the steel supporting several floors. One floor falls, effectively doubling the weight supported by the floor beneath it. Bottom line, the floors failed in succession and by the time you got to a floor unaffected by the heat, the weight was far too much (especially when you consider the momentum of the floors above). You don't have to be an engineer to understand this.
cpjackson79 2 years ago 3
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No offence but let me ask you this: Why did they find bones and human remains on top of other buildings?
If the towers simply "collapsed" as suggested, then there would be no remains on top of other buildings.
You don't need to be an engineer to figure this out. Touché.
accersitusmaximus 2 years ago
umm...there are other properties to jet fuel than just heat. Anyway...I'm done with the disrespect you "truthers" bring to our country. Be thankful you have people willing to fight so you can disrespect them.
albatrossforlife 2 years ago
Other properties? What is your expertise on jet fuel?
Explain!
accersitusmaximus 2 years ago
that it burns upwards and out wards and burns into the atmosphere in 10 mins.
What you got?
SherrieLeaLaird 2 years ago
What?
Most if not all the jet fuel went up in flames during the impact. That is what you see in the video. The big yellow explosion covering the whole screen? You didn't see it? Maybe it was office material like computers and stuff burning REAL fast! Seriously. Besides, ask any fireman. When smoke turns black that means the fire is cool burning and on the way to extinguish itself. The office computers, papers and what not went up in flames pretty quickly.
accersitusmaximus 2 years ago
yeah that's what I say, if it even was a plain
they have remote controlled missles that look like small planes are not passenger planes called doomsday planes. I have a video that shows black smoke is not fire and couldn't burn a building down let alone 3.
SherrieLeaLaird 2 years ago
plane*
SherrieLeaLaird 2 years ago
Oh so my best friend's two uncles didn't die on the plane that struck Tower Two? thanks for the info you idiot.
sonicmotion3 2 years ago
haha what a fucking liar
SherrieLeaLaird 2 years ago
I have tears in my eyes...some of rememberance..some of sadness..some of anger..some of frustration..some of confusion.....who will step forward to lead? ...God save America...PLEASE
bugg255 2 years ago 2
Nationalism is beneath your God. At least I hope it is.
ZombieX13 2 years ago
I am sorry Andrew- I wasn't able to listen to you properly while watching the scenes behind you, because of the rush of emotions and memories and tears they brought. I will play this again, in a few hours when I am able to handle it, and move the cursor so I can't see the screen. Thank you, and may God Bless America.
bubblemum 2 years ago
bubblemum, same here. God Bless
uhoitsjono 2 years ago