stop trying to act like you're some old sage of musician in the hip hop world. hip hop is one of the newest genres around and its ass holes like you that failed in their careers so you're trying to find reasons to put the new generation down. appreciate music for being good music, because honestly nothing else matters.
sorry for the double post. As a younger person today, I have to say that part of the reason we try and recreate the sounds of things that were going on in the 80s is because a lot of the genres we enjoy were solidified in the 80s. We learn all about the old days and hear all of the stories of how things were back then and we feel deprived because we can never live those days out, so we try to recreate them for ourselves in some way. Some people do it for irony though, you're right.
This is a really interesting video, you bring up a lot of good points. I'm not a hip hopper myself, I'm mostly into hardcore punk and the extreme heavy metal genres. What's interesting to me is that I'm seeing the same kind of behavior in my scene. A lot of the newer bands are trying to rehash things that were going on back in the early to mid 1980's. I'm only 23 years old, I was born in '86 so most of the people doing that are about my age.
I feel like when you said he wasn't on the download where he had to ask if it was or wasn't good shit. He was just throwing that out there before he knew. As you said like he had to ask so naturally he wasn't on the ball about it all, he was just doing that for the video's flow. But as far as this music is concerned, taking from past ideas isn't old dude. Lots of new folk these years taps in that old sound with a fresh twist, and i don't particularly see the issue if it's good y'know?
As for the music. None of what they wear translates to their music. I've been hearin dudes like Pac Div, Kid Cudi, Wale, Mickey Factz, Theophilus London, El Prez. I could go on and on. We have new movement of real hip-hop. We have a lot of young talent right now. And the industry is following up nicely so far.
The same thing happens to Metal. I think in the 70's Metal was trash. Then Judas Preist came in and brang back Metal. So its not just us. This happens to everybody.
well, at least SOME of us...and this, my friend...is my point.
like i don't know the science...
you're talking to a ZULU...and this is what tells me that YOU don't know what time it is.i understand what's poppin...
listen to the music in the background...does any of it sound "old school" to you ? c'mon b....you're dealing with a master of this culture. overstand, all i'm saying is cats really need to familiarize themselves with the 5th element...
And thats what this new generation is trying to do. Fuse knowledge into their music and market themselves to appeal to a broader audience. Your looking at the physical. What Im takin about is the mental. You can download one of their free mixtapes rightnow and gaurantee you you love every single song on there cause they treat their mixtapes as albums. They take pride in that.
And the stuff in your background wasnt old but Ghostface is old. I still listen to his new shit. I cant wait for Q-tip
@CmplxBsc Yea exactly. But now a days in order to get put on you need to put in work. And this happened when they were still puting in work. Creating a buzz and their own style. Finding themselves as artists. No on is perfect at the beginning stages of their career. Leason learned.
Im not saying you have to listen to them. But you cant judge someones entire career based on something that happened years ago when someone was young. So before you write them off, give their new shit a listen.
how could you possibly be moving forward when you don't know WHERE you're moving forward from ?
explain a little something to me about the HIGHER SCIENCES of hiphop that i may not be too "clear" about.
if there's no "replication"...why does every style from the 80's keep getting rehashed ? lol
SHOW AND PROVE...because that's what i do. you say us "old heads" look at it too hard. that tells me what time it is with you because you're obviously not looking HARD ENOUGH.
The whole 88' shit is really just something The Cool Kids did casue they thought it was cool. And it was people followed. They dont even have an album out and they changed the way people dressed.
As for everybody else. They just like to look fly so whatever is poppin they rockin. Just like everybody else in the past.
But all kinds of trends come back. There were trends in your day that were old as hell but cameback in your day. It happens all the time.
@teddybruscie thats exactly why hiphop heads dont think "hipsters" are sincere,the whole cool aspect of it.they care more about lookin fly than they do the actual music.dudes take the image of the old school but not the lyrical content,which makes hipster rap just seem like a parody of old school hiphop.plus,we are pretty much the only generation that has to go back in time to get some flavor.u didnt see cats in 98 trynna be like cats n 88 sporting jerri curls.
@MrSFblack No the new school is taking the lyrical content with them when use old school styles. But now a days the rappers I was talking about then, never really liked the word Hipster. It actually hurt their career more than it helped. But they have worked hard and have groomed themselves to turn out to be pretty dope emcees with their own style, flavor, and just all around dope emcee's. So this video as of now holds little relevence.
@CmplxBsc They nice. But their no different from the emcees I fuck with. The artists I was talking about then have grown up and have totally transformed into well rounded artists. The only real way to do Hip-Hop is to do you. Artists dont follow rules.
KRS said it best in terms of music, "I dont react to the world, the world reacts to me."
And you haven't even heard the production steelo. C'mon son...
Your boys are trash...face it. Any REAL muhf*cka wouldn't have dared tried to come onto the scene under the guise of a "Hipster". They played themselves...and that's why it "hurt their careers"...lol.
@CmplxBsc Yea that was what at the beginning of their careers and your basing everything about theri music over something that barely lasted more than a year. 6 months tops. I mean come on Mickey Factz. Was probably the biggest of them. But after he realized what it really meant not just musically, but career wise he took a step back and saw it for what it really was. Which means he probably did like one mixtape or a couple songs that were actually Hipster. The rest of his shit was original.
I mean...so did you actually listen to ANYTHING I said in this video ? Everything you're saying is exactly how I said the shit was going to play out.
Gimmicks have a tendency to play out quickly in HipHop (any real head would know this)...and choosing a "Hipster" gimmick REALLY wasn't a good look...lol.
@CmplxBsc Exactly. But your saying they are automatically whack because they tried out one gimmick at the beginning of their career. As if once you do one gimmick, your automatically whack for the rest of your career.
It happened. They grew up. They totally forgot about it. Im sure we all forgot. If you listen to their music now there is no trace of anything "Hipster". Like I said they worked to become well rounded artists.
This video does show how gimmicks are not worth participating in.
I'm over 30. I don't have a soft spot for young cats who came into this on some bullshit. The whole "gimmicks in hiphop" thing is some ol' new paradigm shit. This is something ya'll (new generation) got crackin' because in all seriousness...back in the day cats like that used to get beat up....lol.
I know it's kinda hard to accept...but hiphop actually USED TO BE THAT REAL.
@CmplxBsc Yea I know. Remember we have to look back. So I've done my research on how things were done. "Biting" used to be a criminal.
Being 30 has little to do with anything. Sure we have to go back. But like I said. They learned their leason as artists. Just as you have. Im sure you took to things that if you could you would go back in time to slap yourself from doing it. They were young. They are in their mid 20's now and are successful artists. They are grown ass men now. Not Hipsters.
LOL...dude...I'm not apologetic about none of this shit. If you're wack...you're wack...straight up. I never came in this on some bullshit. You weren't around in the era I came up in...so you'll never know. Being over 30 has EVERYTHING to do with it. See, when you make statements like that...that's how I know I'm dealing with a newjack.
I didn't commit hiphop sins that made me want to slap myself later in life. That's this new generation...lol.
@CmplxBsc Bullshit. Everybody does something in their Youth they regret. Even if aint in HipHop just in life.
Point is. Your saying their whack because of something that happened a long time ago. You being 30, Im pretty sure you at 18 or 19 are completely different from you at 22 to 25. You grew up. What your saying is make one mistake and your whack for the rest of your life. Thats just wrong. Everybody has made mistakes, especially in their youth.
Hipster aint just rapping with old school styles they are just new ... different flow ...different beats...different dress.... hipster .... Kid Cudi ...Mickey Factz ... people like Kayne Lupe N.E.R.D are example like pre hipster cuz they are different get it ?
Yo my dude i totally agree with you, it DOES seem very gimicy. Its as of they are more concerned about how fresh their dunks are than their rhymes...me as an artist, I'm far more concerned with REAL LIFE topics to rap about. but its wateva.
Kidz in the Hall are actually good though. Interestingly enough this is perhaps what the future of rap looks like, for better or worse. Original, no, but I can tolerate it.
man hopefully you get more views, man, but anyway these kids aren't really doing it. i think they have romanticized 80s hip-hop, particularly the fashion, but aren't really serious about the genre. i saw the new single from the Retro Kidz I guess?? i don't know, they have a long way to go. i think it's more of a way of paying tribute to 80s rap, but no, it doesn't even come close to it.
stop trying to act like you're some old sage of musician in the hip hop world. hip hop is one of the newest genres around and its ass holes like you that failed in their careers so you're trying to find reasons to put the new generation down. appreciate music for being good music, because honestly nothing else matters.
battleriflebeats 9 months ago
@battleriflebeats
This really doesn't merit much of a response. Failed career ? You make no sense.
CmplxBsc 9 months ago
how much weed do you smoke a day
druha10304 1 year ago
@druha10304
not enough.
CmplxBsc 1 year ago
Edan owns, I just found out I missed his NY show and I'm fucking pissed.
I don't normally ask people to check my shit out, but since you know the deal, I'd appreciate your feedback... does it sound original or not?
jaytonbye 1 year ago
sorry for the double post. As a younger person today, I have to say that part of the reason we try and recreate the sounds of things that were going on in the 80s is because a lot of the genres we enjoy were solidified in the 80s. We learn all about the old days and hear all of the stories of how things were back then and we feel deprived because we can never live those days out, so we try to recreate them for ourselves in some way. Some people do it for irony though, you're right.
poisonthesink 1 year ago
This is a really interesting video, you bring up a lot of good points. I'm not a hip hopper myself, I'm mostly into hardcore punk and the extreme heavy metal genres. What's interesting to me is that I'm seeing the same kind of behavior in my scene. A lot of the newer bands are trying to rehash things that were going on back in the early to mid 1980's. I'm only 23 years old, I was born in '86 so most of the people doing that are about my age.
poisonthesink 1 year ago
I feel like when you said he wasn't on the download where he had to ask if it was or wasn't good shit. He was just throwing that out there before he knew. As you said like he had to ask so naturally he wasn't on the ball about it all, he was just doing that for the video's flow. But as far as this music is concerned, taking from past ideas isn't old dude. Lots of new folk these years taps in that old sound with a fresh twist, and i don't particularly see the issue if it's good y'know?
TikTakSambo 2 years ago
peace GOD!
GHETTOSHAMAN 2 years ago
As for the music. None of what they wear translates to their music. I've been hearin dudes like Pac Div, Kid Cudi, Wale, Mickey Factz, Theophilus London, El Prez. I could go on and on. We have new movement of real hip-hop. We have a lot of young talent right now. And the industry is following up nicely so far.
The same thing happens to Metal. I think in the 70's Metal was trash. Then Judas Preist came in and brang back Metal. So its not just us. This happens to everybody.
We comin back.
teddybruscie 2 years ago
WE never went anywhere...lol...
well, at least SOME of us...and this, my friend...is my point.
like i don't know the science...
you're talking to a ZULU...and this is what tells me that YOU don't know what time it is.i understand what's poppin...
listen to the music in the background...does any of it sound "old school" to you ? c'mon b....you're dealing with a master of this culture. overstand, all i'm saying is cats really need to familiarize themselves with the 5th element...
CmplxBsc 2 years ago
And thats what this new generation is trying to do. Fuse knowledge into their music and market themselves to appeal to a broader audience. Your looking at the physical. What Im takin about is the mental. You can download one of their free mixtapes rightnow and gaurantee you you love every single song on there cause they treat their mixtapes as albums. They take pride in that.
And the stuff in your background wasnt old but Ghostface is old. I still listen to his new shit. I cant wait for Q-tip
teddybruscie 2 years ago
@CmplxBsc Yea exactly. But now a days in order to get put on you need to put in work. And this happened when they were still puting in work. Creating a buzz and their own style. Finding themselves as artists. No on is perfect at the beginning stages of their career. Leason learned.
Im not saying you have to listen to them. But you cant judge someones entire career based on something that happened years ago when someone was young. So before you write them off, give their new shit a listen.
teddybruscie 1 year ago
Yo old heads got it twisted dude yall lookin at it too hard.
Listen to the music and everything will become clear. There is no replication. If there was they would be wearing baggy jeans.
We going forward. We just want the old skool to come with us.
teddybruscie 2 years ago
how could you possibly be moving forward when you don't know WHERE you're moving forward from ?
explain a little something to me about the HIGHER SCIENCES of hiphop that i may not be too "clear" about.
if there's no "replication"...why does every style from the 80's keep getting rehashed ? lol
SHOW AND PROVE...because that's what i do. you say us "old heads" look at it too hard. that tells me what time it is with you because you're obviously not looking HARD ENOUGH.
CmplxBsc 2 years ago
Well its really quite simple.
The whole 88' shit is really just something The Cool Kids did casue they thought it was cool. And it was people followed. They dont even have an album out and they changed the way people dressed.
As for everybody else. They just like to look fly so whatever is poppin they rockin. Just like everybody else in the past.
But all kinds of trends come back. There were trends in your day that were old as hell but cameback in your day. It happens all the time.
teddybruscie 2 years ago
@teddybruscie thats exactly why hiphop heads dont think "hipsters" are sincere,the whole cool aspect of it.they care more about lookin fly than they do the actual music.dudes take the image of the old school but not the lyrical content,which makes hipster rap just seem like a parody of old school hiphop.plus,we are pretty much the only generation that has to go back in time to get some flavor.u didnt see cats in 98 trynna be like cats n 88 sporting jerri curls.
MrSFblack 1 year ago
@MrSFblack No the new school is taking the lyrical content with them when use old school styles. But now a days the rappers I was talking about then, never really liked the word Hipster. It actually hurt their career more than it helped. But they have worked hard and have groomed themselves to turn out to be pretty dope emcees with their own style, flavor, and just all around dope emcee's. So this video as of now holds little relevence.
teddybruscie 1 year ago
@teddybruscie
First you say...
"But now a days the rappers I was talking about then, never really liked the word Hipster. ***It actually hurt their career more than it helped***"
LOL..but then go on to say...
"So this video as of now holds little relevence."
WOW.
Check it, here's some of the younger generation (off of my label) doing this hiphop shit correctly. You novices need to take notes...
/watch?v=0Tdv_cyF21k
/watch?v=5AVXLVzepUQ
CmplxBsc 1 year ago
@CmplxBsc They nice. But their no different from the emcees I fuck with. The artists I was talking about then have grown up and have totally transformed into well rounded artists. The only real way to do Hip-Hop is to do you. Artists dont follow rules.
KRS said it best in terms of music, "I dont react to the world, the world reacts to me."
teddybruscie 1 year ago
@teddybruscie
I know they're nice...lol.
And you haven't even heard the production steelo. C'mon son...
Your boys are trash...face it. Any REAL muhf*cka wouldn't have dared tried to come onto the scene under the guise of a "Hipster". They played themselves...and that's why it "hurt their careers"...lol.
Ain't no time for fakin jax....
CmplxBsc 1 year ago
@CmplxBsc Yea that was what at the beginning of their careers and your basing everything about theri music over something that barely lasted more than a year. 6 months tops. I mean come on Mickey Factz. Was probably the biggest of them. But after he realized what it really meant not just musically, but career wise he took a step back and saw it for what it really was. Which means he probably did like one mixtape or a couple songs that were actually Hipster. The rest of his shit was original.
teddybruscie 1 year ago
@teddybruscie
I mean...so did you actually listen to ANYTHING I said in this video ? Everything you're saying is exactly how I said the shit was going to play out.
Gimmicks have a tendency to play out quickly in HipHop (any real head would know this)...and choosing a "Hipster" gimmick REALLY wasn't a good look...lol.
CmplxBsc 1 year ago
@CmplxBsc Exactly. But your saying they are automatically whack because they tried out one gimmick at the beginning of their career. As if once you do one gimmick, your automatically whack for the rest of your career.
It happened. They grew up. They totally forgot about it. Im sure we all forgot. If you listen to their music now there is no trace of anything "Hipster". Like I said they worked to become well rounded artists.
This video does show how gimmicks are not worth participating in.
teddybruscie 1 year ago
@teddybruscie
I'm over 30. I don't have a soft spot for young cats who came into this on some bullshit. The whole "gimmicks in hiphop" thing is some ol' new paradigm shit. This is something ya'll (new generation) got crackin' because in all seriousness...back in the day cats like that used to get beat up....lol.
I know it's kinda hard to accept...but hiphop actually USED TO BE THAT REAL.
CmplxBsc 1 year ago
@CmplxBsc Yea I know. Remember we have to look back. So I've done my research on how things were done. "Biting" used to be a criminal.
Being 30 has little to do with anything. Sure we have to go back. But like I said. They learned their leason as artists. Just as you have. Im sure you took to things that if you could you would go back in time to slap yourself from doing it. They were young. They are in their mid 20's now and are successful artists. They are grown ass men now. Not Hipsters.
teddybruscie 1 year ago
@teddybruscie
LOL...dude...I'm not apologetic about none of this shit. If you're wack...you're wack...straight up. I never came in this on some bullshit. You weren't around in the era I came up in...so you'll never know. Being over 30 has EVERYTHING to do with it. See, when you make statements like that...that's how I know I'm dealing with a newjack.
I didn't commit hiphop sins that made me want to slap myself later in life. That's this new generation...lol.
CmplxBsc 1 year ago
@MrSFblack
"u didnt see cats in 98 trynna be like cats n 88 sporting jerri curls."
You get it.
CmplxBsc 1 year ago
@CmplxBsc Bullshit. Everybody does something in their Youth they regret. Even if aint in HipHop just in life.
Point is. Your saying their whack because of something that happened a long time ago. You being 30, Im pretty sure you at 18 or 19 are completely different from you at 22 to 25. You grew up. What your saying is make one mistake and your whack for the rest of your life. Thats just wrong. Everybody has made mistakes, especially in their youth.
Stop being so bitter. Forgive and Forget
teddybruscie 1 year ago
@teddybruscie
Like I said, back then we didn't try to come out before we were ready. You had to get PUT ON.
You're simply not knowing newjack.
Holler back.
CmplxBsc 1 year ago
real shit
superfatdoe 2 years ago
"4:38" AMEN!
krazeewookie429 2 years ago
It's probably in favor of older rap, not a replica.
Ghettoflame1 2 years ago
Hipster aint just rapping with old school styles they are just new ... different flow ...different beats...different dress.... hipster .... Kid Cudi ...Mickey Factz ... people like Kayne Lupe N.E.R.D are example like pre hipster cuz they are different get it ?
cents2mp 2 years ago
Yo my dude i totally agree with you, it DOES seem very gimicy. Its as of they are more concerned about how fresh their dunks are than their rhymes...me as an artist, I'm far more concerned with REAL LIFE topics to rap about. but its wateva.
kalilkash973 3 years ago
i feel that .hip hop in my oppinion has not died its just went undergroung
BreakSoFresh 3 years ago
Kidz in the Hall are actually good though. Interestingly enough this is perhaps what the future of rap looks like, for better or worse. Original, no, but I can tolerate it.
ukendcx2000 3 years ago
man hopefully you get more views, man, but anyway these kids aren't really doing it. i think they have romanticized 80s hip-hop, particularly the fashion, but aren't really serious about the genre. i saw the new single from the Retro Kidz I guess?? i don't know, they have a long way to go. i think it's more of a way of paying tribute to 80s rap, but no, it doesn't even come close to it.
ukendcx2000 3 years ago