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  • You are very intelligent!

  • Should also be pointed out that, when they say "just a theory", they are using the layman's definition of the term "theory." Aka, an educated guess. Like saying,"my theory is that blah blah blah." In scientific vocabulary, a theory is described as "an educated explanation supported by observational data and mostly, or entirely, factual evidence." It is not a guess, but an assessment of facts to support a hypothesis.(which is actually what an educated guess is)

  • Creationists use the "just a theory" stance to make it appear as though evolutionists are just pulling a guess out of their ass and calling it a theory. In actuality, a hypothesis would be a guess, while a theory is an explanation backed up by facts and observable evidence, supported by years of research. 

  • @101rstr - I know that humans were not created with perfect genetics, because humans do not have perfect genetics. I also do not beleive that humans were created. Can you prove that humans were created? How do you know? You don't. What you do know, is that you're grasping at straws. Why not just give up and try something you're more qualified to discuss?

  • @101rstr - I don't understand your statement. My position is logical. We developed through a systematic process. Your position is illogical, there must have been a creator for that system. Your position requires an assertion which is based on no empirical evidence, whereas mine makes no claim about a source of life...and therefore does is not exposed to such "gaps". Better luck next time.

  • @101rstr - I will post these responses one by one, from bottom up. We do not live in a world where everything breaks down constantly, and the 2nd law of thermodynamics does not play any role in that. In fact, the 2nd law of thermodynamics states pretty much the complete opposite of that. I recommend reading more on this subject if you want to actually be making informed statements.

  • The logical position is that life came into being through an extremely long period of time of development, in accordance with a specific systematic process (not chaos or randomness). The nature of the universe is pure law and order...and it is this way sans a God. The "known natural laws" you refer to are simply prescribed laws which we deem to be observable tendencies. There are likely "effects" of this nature we have yet to observe. This in now way implies that a God must be present.

  • @JDOANY

    This is not a logical position at all because it does not follow the premise that matter can exist and life can come from non-life without cause. It also does not follow that anything can develop against entropy without cause or that there can exist any systematic processes or natural/scientific/mathematica­l laws without a form of eternal government and eternal information. In every way, the universe and everything in it requires not just any god, but the Biblical God.

  • @1010rstr - Humans were not created with perfect genetics. You're correct in a sense about the perceived outcome of a mutation, as either beneficial or harmful...but only in the sense that those terms are subjective. You say that all mutations are either neutral or harmful...proof? Do you just make these things up as you go? I have a wealth of information which says the exact opposite of what you're suggesting...and I find the sources a bit more credible.

  • @JDOANY

    How do you know humans were not created with perfect genetics?

    Do you believe your genetics are better than you parents'? This also implies that you may be more genetically "evolved" than other ethnic groups of people.

    If you inherit your parents' genes along with some harmful/lethal mutations, and you pass those genes on with your harmful/lethal gene mutations, how many generations will pass until these harmful mutations are predominant? We're getting less healthy as generations pass.

  • @101rstr - you just contradicted yourself again...here you say "The Biblical God is eternal AS ARE HIS WORDS AND INFORMATION". Yet, before you said that information is lost. Which is it? Is information lost, or is information gained? If it is lost, then God's information is not eternal. If it is gained, then God's information is not eternal. Eternal implies "always exists"...and cannot start or stop. Stop contradicting yourself, or you'll get nowhere.

  • @JDOANY

    No contradiction, God is eternal and His information is never lost. It is, however, lost to us. We live in a broken world where everything breaks down constantly and the 2nd law of thermodynamics plays a big role in that. This includes genetic information and it implies at some point things were much better.Your concern for contradictions shows you believe in the laws of logic(a correct standard of reasoning). These and all other laws aren't possible in an ungoverned, chance universe.

  • any microphone can be a pain in the ass

    it all depends on whether you are 2 in 3 males who fantasizes about men

    whatever

    I have a very wide microphone, and I imagine your ace would need to open weider

  • Julian Casablancas!!!

  • Gene mutations result in a loss of information.There is no known natural law through which matter can give rise to information, neither is there any physical process or material phenomenon known that can do this. All information must come from a higher source of information.

    Also, the fossil record only exists on paper because fossils are found in layers where they shouldn't be all the time. Fossils do show that animals were the same then as they are now, only they were usually bigger then.

  • You're an idiot. I'm too tired and sick of the stupidity of you and your lot to bother arguing this fully. Miller-Yuri Experiment, development of some 20 amino acids. Mutation of ACCA makes ACCC new information is added.

  • Learn to deal with it. If you are going to put a garbage video like this one out there for everyone to see, you are going to get feedback. I'm surprised that you would use the Miller experiment as an example.That has been shown to be incredibly weak and requires a laboratory.The conditions used were ridiculous and unrealistic and all he came up with were amino acids. If you truly believed in evolution,none of this should matter to you anyway.You should be focused entirely on your own survival.

  • The truth is,deep down you know there's a God and someday you will have to stand before Him to give an account for your life.But you don't want to admit it so you hunt down any information you can to disprove it to yourself.That's why you are so passionate about vocalizing your atheism.Come on, you're a really smart guy.Why run away from God,when you can run toward Him?He loves you and wants a relationship with you.He even sent His Son to die in your place and sends you the good news constantly.

  • I truly believe your god and all gods are myths. I also accept that you are indeed, an idiot. It was probably quite easy to sell the god myth to your nearly blank slate. I will not respond further as there is no point. Your pathetic attempt at an argument has been refuted before.

  • @Ethrock It's ironic how you talked about accepting other religions for a momment in your video.

  • @clockekagnaz I Do accept peoples religious beliefs, what I don't accept is when they try to utilize those beliefs to undermine the education or understanding of others, and the advancement of civilization.

    That's not ironic, you're just an idiot.

  • @Ethrock hear, hear!

  • @101rstr which god?

  • @101rstr your delusional

  • @Televersity

    How so?

  • @101rstr forgive me, i just think it's really obvious that there is no god and that man evolved over time, if you cant see that then you haven't looked at all the evidence, no? the whole god thing is because people dont want to accept that we're here solely for the perpetuation of the species and that when you die the lights go out and thats it...

    k

  • @Televersity I understand what you're saying but it's not about how much evidence (we all have the same evidence), it's how we interpret the evidence (world view). To be valid and rational, our world view has to lead to the consequence that knowledge is possible. For that we need things like uniformity in nature, absolute morality, and laws of logic. None of these are possible in an evolutionary or random chance universe. Only a Biblical world view can adequately account these things.

  • @101rstr i need to consider your answers for a bit.

  • @101rstr Gene mutations do not result in the loss of information. They may change information, or do nothing at all. It is a fact that mutations do occure. (cancer is the result of a mutation in the cells DNA. More specifically, the information for the cell to undergo division) How are fossils the same then as they are now? I do not know of a single creature that looks like a stegosaurus. No, it does not look like a lizard. It looks like an animal that no longer exists.

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  • @101rstr - it's strange that information coming from a supposed "higher source" would be able to be "lost". You use the problem of a loss of information to justify their being a higher source of information, and yet, that information is still being lost as is evident by that being the problem you're arguing in the first place. Can God's information be lost? If so, please explain how God can be infallable, and omnipotent.

  • JDOANY

    The Biblical God is eternal as are His words and "information." Humans(Adam/Eve) and animals were originally created perfect and had complete genetic information.However, Adam and Eve sinned against God and we now live in a sin-cursed world where everything is breaking down and deteriorating. The perfect genetic information they had is "lost" to us like so many other things that break down. I don't know how to explain how God is infallible and omnipotent-He's perfect,that's why He's God.

  • @101rstr - You say that all information must come from a higher source, and yet you say there is no known physical or material phenomenon which can do this. That's a contradiction in logic. Of course, perhaps you're trying to say that there is a non-physical, non-material phenomenon that can do this...problem there...first you say there is no known natural law through which information can give rise, well there is no known natural law which proves the non-physical either. 2nd contradiction.

  • So which is the logically defensible position?—that matter eternally existed (or came into existence by itself for no reason),and then by itself arranged itself into information systems against everything observed in real science? Or that a being with infinite intelligence,created information systems for life to exist,agreeing with real science? What we observe requires acts that are outside known natural laws and processes. Only the Biblical God is capable of these acts.

  • @101rstr - I almost forgot to mention how you're incorrect that gene mutations result in a loss of information. In reality...gene mutations lead to a gain in information.

  • @JDOANY

    Most mutations are either nearly neutral(as we perceive it) or harmful. While there are mutations with perceived beneficial outcomes in restricted environments, there is no evidence of a truly beneficial mutation or a gain in information. Logically speaking it does not follow that humans and animals could be created with perfect genetics and after thousands of years of chaos and deterioration end up with more or improved genetic information.

  • i am glad that you made a video.

    it is very important to be vocal

  • i think abiogenesis is the way to go it is looking good in the tests but evolution is obviously true

  • Good video

  • Good video. I would have rated higher, but in this field you're being measured against giants like Thunderfoot, Potholer54, and CDK007.

  • You forgot AronRa. He's the biggest giant of them all.

  • I would agree AronRa is a big guy (in terms of popularity and intellect.) Don't forget about AndromedasWake either.

  • Look at your annotation's spelling.

  • Hahahah! Frist video. xD Thanks mate. I'll fix that right away, and usually I'm the one all obsessive over spelling and grammar. Awesome.

  • Well put, wish more would watch this so every time I get in a discussion on evolution I don't find myself trying to teach the shit , or find myself in a debate over the big bang ?? haha ugh, sick of explaining wut a theory is and how science works to people who never learned it

  • Respect.

  • Oh my god!! It looks like you're reading from something!! duh duh duuuuhhhh! Shame on you for being literate and making sure your point is made clearly and concisely! Dirty evilutionist!!!!

  • Lol, love the humor there. Thanks for the comment!

  • just for clarity that was a response to Vykeu's comment starting with "You wake up 1 every 2 weeks?. Gravity and lack of gravity can be demonstrated. You can demonstrate Evolution?"

  • Indeed you can demonstrate gravity, but demonstrating really has no place in science. You can take a brig and demonstrate that if you drop it, it falls. When you demonstrate that you can explain that you believe it is due to something we call gravity, but you really can't show such a thing. Demonstrating is not proving; a proof would proof that gravity still exists tomorrow. We just assume that it will still be there. Heck, you can't even proof that gravity is a force that works between masses.

  • You're on the right track. We can clearly demonstrate that something occurs, things do what we define as falling when we release them. As I said though we can only develop hypothesis and theories to determine why.

  • We are actually in agreement, as I noted on a post that is to be found near the end of this page, my comment was really directed at Vyckeu and his comment starting with a passage about waking up every two weeks.

    He stated: I can proof gravity. So gravity is a fact and evolution is not.

    My response: You can't proof gravity. You can demonstrate it - you can't proof anything about it. So gravity is not a fact, which compromises your whole point.

  • Good, agreement is a great status to have. Also I did read all of your posts, but it's been awhile, I just skimmed them yesterday.

    I would have to thank you greatly IReallyAmMe for your assistance with this troll.

  • I would say he is misunderstanding some important things and putting some things forward in a way that is not exactly the best way, rather than calling him a troll. But that is not really an important question.

    Also, I don't mind you did not read that comment (it was misplaced and it was even hard to get what it was saying in the current context).

  • Qur'an  not Koran.

  • One Mistake you did make is that you said THEORY of abiogenesis. Its not that strong yet. Its still in the developmental stages, so its still considered a hypothesis.

  • Ai and I am aware of that one, so thank you.

  • Then you have disclaimed 1 out of 5 total. You have four to go and I can pull out more lists still.

  • First: No there isn't. Evolution is the overall progress of adaptation essentially.

    Second: These were all examples of NEWLY EMERGING SPECIES.

  • You actually have to type the video ID properly.

  • Nylonase Bacteria is a major species change. You sir are an idiot.

    Here are some more examples since you don't comprehend:

    Evening Primrose

    Raphanobrassica

    Madia citrigracilis

    Rapid speciation of the Faeroe Island house mouse, which occurred in less than 250 years after man brought the creature to the island.

    Just to name a mere four more. There are hundreds of these events witnessed in nature and in the laboratory.

  • That's why Gravity is a fact. But How it works is only theoretical. Moron. Speciation has been observed both in the lab and in the wild. Here's Evolution: Nylonase Bacteria. We can prove that gravity is a fact, but General Relativity is a theory. We know species change over time, and allele frequencies change over time. But we can only theorize as to why.

  • Idiot. Evolution is fact as is Gravity. Evolutionary theory explains the phenomena we observe, as does General Relativity.

  • Your definition of theory is flawed in the scientific sense. Theories do not graduate into facts. EVER. Facts are not higher up than theories, not even slightly. General Relativity is a theory, always has been always will be. Newtons theory of gravity is a theory, always has been, always will be. The germ theory is a theory, always has been, always will be. Evolution is no different. Classing evolution seperately is poor understanding and you represented no reason not to call you an idiot.

  • Actually Evolution is not 'just a theory' as idiots like you portray it to be. You first misunderstand the concept of what a theory is in scientific terms rather than practical terms. Also, you fail to recognizet he fact that life changes over time. Hence, evolution.

  • actually the PHENOMENA called evolution is a fact. but Darwin just proposed a theory of how evolution works. He called it, his "theory" of evolution.

  • Thank you sccoffey and in all honestly yes it is a pathetic little response he made.

  • dieter1962, I doubt anyone can take you seriously. If you think you being funny, rewrite the material because its not.

    However, if you are serious about these things..I would see thank you! You are my argument as to why religion is such garbage and how toxic it is for the human race.

  • Traitor! U.S. soldiers are doing their crusading duty to teach backward savage Iraqis dogs the only true faith is of our Great Lord Jesus Christ who rides triumphant on a WHITE horse with a sword coming out of his mouth (Rev.19:11-15)

    Iraqis can be grateful they did not waterboard them before shooting them.

    I quote our glorious leader George W. Bush, that America is the greatest CUNTRY in the world.

  • That's lovely. You're an overarching psycho-masochist patriot, as are many Americans. However, I am not a traitor for stating that religion is incorrect or that there are misconceptions about evolution. These are philosophical viewpoints. By the way, the ethnic cleansing that your country so sickly partakes in, is removing religious tyranny from the country of Iraq. Ironic that you would call me a traitor for trying to reduce the religion you're boasting a fight against.

  • I thought that dieter1962 was being funny/sarcastic. I can't take seriously something that ridiculous. Poe's law?

  • It could be.

  • Way to go!

  • Cool. Good information.

  • Funny. Clearly you are unaware of how serious this video was intended to be.

  • hahaha, gay!

  • @jobowtackmaster Hahaha, i thumbed your comment down!

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