southern...use of the hands, valleys in the past...close distance not too many openings
northern: larger distance, more open, more kicking ---mountains in the past. people of china adopted their style due to their lifestyle and advantages.
now this clip was quite nice for one reason...clean techniques. i was expecting more explosive step to step movements and a lot more kiccking for the one practising northern style.
UFC is not martial arts. Martial arts is exactly that: an art. UFC is fighting, ugly and unrefined. Not that I'm not a fan, just being a martial artist myself, I cannot see it as real martial arts.
cuz ufc is a sport n the rules r u r only allowed to attack the front of the body no attacks from behind usually kool techniques combination r used when u achieved a positional advantage like a blind spot where its easier for u to attack ur enemy but harder for him to attack u example ur facing his back while hes not facing u when 2 ppl fight of equaled skills face to face most of things that will be done is attack and defence the cool move ussually requires u to outclass ur enemy to work
Southern Shaolin is not real, Shaolin temple is in Shandong province which is in Northern China. The southern stuff is Hung Gar, but people associate their styles with Shaolin because it is the birthplace of Chinese martial arts.
Thank you for the comment. Your information is not correct. The original Shaolin Temple was in northern China. Later, other temples were built in southern China. The site of one of these temples has been found by archeologists in China, but even before this discover, there was plenty of evidence of its existence.
Hung Gar Kung Fu comes from the Venerable Chee Seen, the abbot of the southern Shaolin Temple. The style that I practice comes partly from Chee Seen, and partly from another master from the southern temple. It is interesting to note that Wong Fei Hong, a famous "Hung Gar" master, called his art "Shaolin", not "Hung Gar". Styles using the term "Shaolin" do so because they trace back to the Shaolin Temple.
There are many southern styles. Many share the same principles (grounded stances, creating a bridge ect but are different styles with different set of skills.
First of all, let me thank you for your videos. They continue to teach me more about my martial arts. I am trying to develop my own style of martial art, following JKD's philosophies and fundamentals of fighting. This is why I continue to research different styles, taking the best from all. What I noticed was that your advantage wasn't because of an arsenal of better techniques but because of significantly superior footwork. Continue to practice. Martial arts is an endless journey. Peace.
The Shaolin Wushu Monks train using purely external methods, from what I've seen. I use purely internal training. Judging from your comments, I suspect that you have no experience with internal power, although you may think that you do.
the southern style seems much more efficient with hands (northern appears to leave his ribs opon alot). the nothern style is supposed to be better for kicking
just an observation of the vid, the guy on the right leaves his ribs open alot. the guy on the left seems to have a firmer stance and less openings. simple statement of fact. im sure if the northern style fighter used his longer weapons to better effect it would be a more even contest.
shaolin kung fu ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS and i wish i could do it to but no anyways nice video btw i m from norway
In mexico things are a bit different, since china and japan doen´s hate us cause we´re not imperialist, lots of chinesse kung fu masters have come to mexico, or they personally train mexicans if they go to china. My teacher jorge is about 54 years old, he learned lots of styles throuh his life, but the one he prefers is wing chun wich he learned from a chinese teacher. me an my cousin couldn´t even touch him by attacking at the same time
Yes, "sifu" is the Cantonese version, while "shifu" in the Mandarin. However, the romanization of Chinese in Mandarin is based on Pin-yin, which is very different from standard English. "Shifu" is not pronounced "shee-fu" but rather "sher-fu" (like "her" with an "s" sound at the beginning).
Yes, it's true.I do Wing Tsun in Belgium(I'm from Turkey).Our Sifu learned the WT in the Cantonese region of Chine.The name of the Sifu of my Sifu is Tang Shun Ping.He came to visit us about 1 month ago.A grand master, Sifu Sipacong from China will come to visit for a second time in year on the 01/05.He invited us to his school in China.I hope that i'll be in China soon..I'm lucky :)
yeah, even without using open hand strikes, there's a lot of trapping and blocking that can't be accomplished with 16 ounce gloves. One of my kung fu brothers actually went to a boxing gym and sparred one of their guys wearing four ounce gloves (after they teased him for training kung fu) and knocked the guy on his ass using five-element punching
doing a slow-paced counter-respond drill freestyle is a great way to actually make the techniques natural...oft times kung fu stylists revert to rudimentary kick-boxing when it comes down to a fight, but looks like you guys are actually doing 'old school'
The movements you used were good, obviously you need to train them hard to be able to use movements from forms naturally. In free sparring against a fighter who has a kickbxing approach, could you use your technqiues immediatly without thinking..so bascially the techniques you displayed there could you utilize them if the strikes were quicker?
I agree,its just been belly flopped,how kungfu is today... my sifu is great though.. hes from Japan,50 years old,and is quick an f ast as a 17 year old. all I cna say is.. I want to become a blackbelt from him... get my teachers degree and teach this art myself. such as My sifu has
I am losing faith in all kung fu.. do you really think you would last 5 seconds in a fight with your face open all of the time like that, your legs ready to be sweeped and your arm out to get thrown? I guess I wont be able to find the old chinese kung fu master that is 90 and could kill all MMA fighters with a single chi blast. lol
Yes, I honestly think that I could last 5 seconds in a real fight. I know because I have. Of course, a real fight is much different than slow sparring. A real fight is also different than full-speed free sparring. In real fighting, I would not leave my arm out, or leave my leg out to get swept. Real fighting is not cooperative. Sparring is.
By the way, I'm sincerely sorry that you have lost all faith in Kung Fu. The state of Kung Fu today is terrible. One the one hand, I don't blame people for losing faith because 95% of the Kung Fu I've encountered is just "flowery fists and embroidery kicks". But on the other hand, I found what I was looking for, so I encourage others to do the same. It's not easy to find, but it's out there.
Hey, thanks a lot for that! You said what I needed to hear.. Take a look at videos from Taiji legacy in Dallas. I can't tell the differance between most of that and TKD. Well actually TKD is somewhat structured.
I've seen the video you mention. It's the same at most tournaments these days -- a mix of TKD, Kickboxing, and some bad grappling. You can't find anyone using traditional patterns, even in friendly sparring. Using TKD is fine if you're practicing TKD. But if you're practicing Kung Fu, you should use Kung Fu!
truth is that 90% of ppl who learn kung fu learn only the basic things moves and other things that looks nice but are not real art
the truth aboute kung fu is that never meet true master on the street and u never will see real master in real fight couse most of them sit in they monesterys and never go out
i honestly believe the slower pace is much more of a work out than a full sparr.... im more trained in kung fu san soo but shaolin by far is my favorite and most beautiful in MY OPINION.
i understand what you're doing. and i'd say it would definitely help. slow repetitive practice of anything will ultimately lead to very fast reaction times and good technique. whether it's martial arts movements or something like guitar scales. you can't pick up a guitar and just start shredding like a champ without slow repetitive practice
Thanks for the comment. There are many types of sparring. Please read the description and the link posted to the right for an explanation of the sparring methodology that is being used.
Thanks for the comment. Did you read the article? Have you practiced according to a method similar to what is described there? Perhaps you would like to show us a video of what you feel is "real" kung fu sparring?
Can't find a video at present, besides you said there are different ways of sparring. Don't see any article?? The techniques used are fine, but the flow is lacking, spontaneous or not - breaking the connection to think.
Please let me know when you find a video. And please read the description to the right. Click "About This video". You are correct that the movements are staccato. In later stages, the moves become more flowing. Look in my channel for "Shaolin Sparring II".
Thanks, checked the comment. Practising slow is fine, breaking the continuity not so fine. Flow doesn't mean faster. Keep the flow,you may make an incorrect move, which is ok,adjust accordingly. Aliveness!
I agree about keeping Kung Fu alive, and about adjusting accordingly. Perhaps we disagree about how to accomplish this. Also, keep in mind that, prior to what you see in this video, the other gentleman had never sparred using his traditional patterns. I think he did amazingly well!
Okay, I'm back from work now. The reason I banned you is because you weren't listening. Repeatedly, you stated untruths -- untruths about what my teacher said, about my training, about our attitude towards competitions, about our policies, etc. And repeatedly, I corrected you. Rather than admit your mistakes, you continued with more untruths.
There was no discussion, and I see no point in letting it continue. You are completely anonymous, and you could continue to criticize indefinitely. As I said earlier, you already have your mind made up about us based on what you've seen through a computer screen. So what's the point?
Yep, I blocked you. I've given you enough of my time. I've patiently answered your questions. You may be hearing my answers, but you are obviously not listening. As I said, I only have so much patience for keyboard warriors. If you'd like to stop being anonymous and show us a video of yourself, then send me a message, and I'll unblock you.
Xia never offered his name, or any real challenge. All he offered were angry words on a screen. We had fighters -- real people with real names and real skills -- ready to accept his challenge.
Here you go spreading untruths again. Where did you find this policy? I am not aware of it. And if this is my teacher's policy, then why did he give me permission to handle a challenge in 2006? And if he has no confidence in his instructors, why did he give one of his youngest instructors permission to do the same in the UK?
Bah. Enough of this. I have only so much patience for Keyboard Warriors.
then why am I obligated to prove things to you on your terms (i.e. via videos)?
Then stop mentioning that you are a very rare school practising traditional Chinese martaial arts, and your style is effective for self defence and and competition.
You and your master kept this attitude of indirectly insulting many kungfu schools and that your style can be used against any martial art.
So the public has the right to ask you to back up your claims.
Am I trying to divert the subject? What is the subject? I thought that the subject was a video about Shaolin Kung Fu, not a crusade against my school. If you have nothing to prove (or show), then why am I obligated to prove things to you on your terms (i.e. via videos)?
Nevertheless, the video "proof" you seek will be available one day soon. If I don't provide it fast enough for you, then I'm sorry. I've got more important priorities, like practicing, teaching, and studying medicine. As for the criticism from you and others, I don't worry about it. I can't take anonymous words on a computer screen seriously. I'm thrilled with my art, and so are my students. And that's good enough for me.
Again, in my opinion, I don't think I am delivering untruths, but rather I am a person who is trying to figure out a few things I find strange about your respected school.
Thanks for your time once again and for your replies..
If you don't mind, I have many other questions I will ask later.
Apology accepted, but you do realize that it is easy to criticize over the Internet, don't you? From your crusade here, it would seem that you don't think much of my kung fu. That's fine. You're entitled to your own opinion. But your opinion would carry a lot more weight if you backed it up with a video of yourself doing some kung fu.
Thanks I just read your last comment of you spending time with your master.
I am not accusing him of not being a traditionalist.
I just want to figure out why you are different from other schools? Why your master keeps belittling other martial arts--indirectly-- and saying his is real.
Fine, but the common responce from the public is to have a proof.
The difference between you and me is that you expect to find proof from your computer chair. I traveled the world, and found the proof I was looking for. If you want to find out why our school is different from other schools, I don't think you can do it while sitting down.
Yes, I can practice diligently without my master being present. Whenever I see him, I show him what I have been practicing, and he makes corrections, if necessary. Many traditional masters don't offer more correction even if you spend every day with them. That's because they understand that kung fu is 90% practice, and 10% learning. Many corrections cannot be made until the student has practice sufficiently.
I have chased my teacher around the world since 1997. I see him a few times a year, and spend a lot of time with him. When I am with him, he teaches me openly, without any secrets. If you want to accuse him of not being traditional, this is what you attack. Most traditional masters keep secrets, even from their top disciples. Sifu Wong does not, which allows us to learn more in a short amount of time.
Yes, Shi Wan Heng is the most traditional monk in the modern Shaolin temple and his kung fu, chi kung and zen is the most traditional. But the problem is when he started as a young boy at the age of 8 the Shaolin arts were already immensely decreased. So what he learned is not as "real" as our Shaolin arts in Shaolin Wahnam but more "real" than what the rest of the modern Shaolin monks do.
2. Usually the students would live with the master, or at least would spend much time with him a DAY, to learn many many aspects not only forms.Your's is different.
You spend almost one week a year with your master and then he appionts you as an instructor!!!!!!!
See my reply below about "traditional". And please stop stating untruths. I was not appointed an instructor after one week with my master. I spent years learning from him. More importantly, I diligently practiced what I learned. Shaolin Kung Fu is 90% practice and 10% learning.
You have a different definition of traditional. To me, traditional means that the art is taught and practice as it was in the past. For example, when we spar, we use traditional Shaolin patterns. Whether or not Sifu Wong teaches regular classes or intensive seminars has nothing to do with being traditional. Past masters did not use cell phones or computers. Does that mean that those who do are not traditional?
Ronny is an assistant instructor under an instructor under Sifu Wong. And even he did not say "our school is the best" -- words that you put into his teacher's teacher's mouth.
I see an opinion offered by Ronny, not by Sifu Wong. Here is another opinion: it my opinion that people who don't use traditional patterns in combat are not practicing traditional kung fu. That does not necessarily mean that I am a better fighter than them, but simply that theirs is not, in my opinion, genuine traditional kung fu.
Thank you for your opinion. I disagree. My teacher openly states his opinion that Shaolin Kung Fu is the greatest martial art in the world, and he lists his reasons. He does not say that his kung fu school is the best in the world. There is a difference. He also respects other martial arts and frequently talks about the beauty and profundity of arts like Baguazhang, Xingyiquan, and Taijiquan.
My teacher is passionate about Shaolin Kung Fu, and has dedicated his life to it. I respect his dedication and passion. We all have our opinions about what we think is best, but personally, I wouldn't want to learn from someone who doesn't think that their art is the best. Would you learn the violin from a teacher who thinks that the piano is better?
I am sorry, but this isn't gonna work in a real fight.
Besides, I have read many posts in your forum mentioning you are the best kungfu school alive;though indirectly.
Why?.. Your master never failed to tell the public his kungfu is the best.But when asked for a proof, simply he would say we don't accept challenges !!!!!
Thank you for the comment. My teacher has never said that we are the best. What we say is that we can use traditional kung fu patterns in sparring and combat. If an opponent is more skillful, then we will lose, but we'll lose using traditional patterns. In my experience, these patterns work well in sparring, as well as real fights.
There have been several instances on our forum where we accepted challenges, but the other side backed down. It's easy to challenge people over the Internet. Don't worry. I'm sure that, in the not-too-distant future, one of these challenges will actually happen. Hopefully, it will be caught on video tape. If so, and if my teacher approves, I will share it here.
Challenges happen all the time in any good kung fu school. You are not the first to doubt whether traditional techniques would work in a real fight. Many of Sifu Wong's students have years of experience in other arts, and many have expressed their doubts, myself included. This kind of "challenge" happens often in Sifu's classes. Sifu always manages to settle the doubts, and the doubters often become dedicated students. Of course, he didn't settle our doubts using a video...
Gentlemen, my compliments on the extraordinary kung fu. I myself study modern combatives from around the world and try to only observe and appreciate traditional martial arts. However, I DO find alot of practical and brilliant technique in Shaolin and other kung fu, so my question is this: what is your drive for studying kung fu? Spiritual, physical, martial?
Thank you for the kind words. The other gentleman from the video is not here. It's just me (the one wearing all black). My motivations for studying Shaolin Kung Fu include: health, energy cultivation, fitness, mental clarity, self defense, and spiritual cultivation. I am grateful that I can accomplish all of that with one art.
I don't know why but I seem to like the southern syles better.For some reason they seem more short ranged anyway I don't know much about either but am thinkin of taking Wuzuquan (Five Ancestors Fist) I heard it was a mix of some north and south styles besides its the only school near me.
I recommend that you read my teacher's book: "The Art of Shaolin Kung Fu" by Wong Kiew Kit. It will give you a solid understanding of the scope and depth of various styles of kung fu. My teacher also learned Wuzuquan, so there is some information about that as well.
Thank you all for the kind words. I'm glad to see so much interest in traditional Shaolin sparring. Keep an eye on my channel for more. This is an old video, and the camera didn't even have audio. I recently purchased a good digital video camera, so I'll be adding more and more videos.
I don't know the name from Northern Shaolin. In my school, the name is "Reverse Hanging of the Golden Lotus" whether it is done in the Bow-Arrow Stance, False-Leg Stance, or Stolen-Step.
southern...use of the hands, valleys in the past...close distance not too many openings
northern: larger distance, more open, more kicking ---mountains in the past. people of china adopted their style due to their lifestyle and advantages.
now this clip was quite nice for one reason...clean techniques. i was expecting more explosive step to step movements and a lot more kiccking for the one practising northern style.
nice one though .
papaiosif 2 years ago
UFC is not martial arts. Martial arts is exactly that: an art. UFC is fighting, ugly and unrefined. Not that I'm not a fan, just being a martial artist myself, I cannot see it as real martial arts.
politicalninja2044 2 years ago
Sticky hands or "Chi Sow"( if that is spelled correctly.) One for my favorite ways to practice without all the impairing gear.
CoffinPuppet 2 years ago
awsome !!!!! i liked it :P !!
Mirmidon87 2 years ago
cuz ufc is a sport n the rules r u r only allowed to attack the front of the body no attacks from behind usually kool techniques combination r used when u achieved a positional advantage like a blind spot where its easier for u to attack ur enemy but harder for him to attack u example ur facing his back while hes not facing u when 2 ppl fight of equaled skills face to face most of things that will be done is attack and defence the cool move ussually requires u to outclass ur enemy to work
SoundwaveSuperior373 3 years ago
how many ufc fighters have actually trained in kung fu for any amount of time
hoboguru 3 years ago
I've seen quite some UFC fighters that practise one or another kind of Kung fu.
But I guess that that's simply since I was searching for them since of an discussion with Some bjj+mt =god fans.
Eterud 3 years ago
Good practice, this is what makes chinese martial arts fun.
bigfatfoot 3 years ago
^^^^^ WANTS TO LEARN!!!
ApesHaveNoTails 2 years ago
good exhibition
Kormiku 3 years ago
nice
ACEMFG 3 years ago
very interesting
dygol 3 years ago
the brotha got owned. haha!!
kinokid 3 years ago
Southern Shaolin is not real, Shaolin temple is in Shandong province which is in Northern China. The southern stuff is Hung Gar, but people associate their styles with Shaolin because it is the birthplace of Chinese martial arts.
itzrosedamnit 3 years ago
Thank you for the comment. Your information is not correct. The original Shaolin Temple was in northern China. Later, other temples were built in southern China. The site of one of these temples has been found by archeologists in China, but even before this discover, there was plenty of evidence of its existence.
FlowingZen 3 years ago
Hung Gar Kung Fu comes from the Venerable Chee Seen, the abbot of the southern Shaolin Temple. The style that I practice comes partly from Chee Seen, and partly from another master from the southern temple. It is interesting to note that Wong Fei Hong, a famous "Hung Gar" master, called his art "Shaolin", not "Hung Gar". Styles using the term "Shaolin" do so because they trace back to the Shaolin Temple.
FlowingZen 3 years ago
There are many southern styles. Many share the same principles (grounded stances, creating a bridge ect but are different styles with different set of skills.
SecretSword 3 years ago
I like this. :)
SuperSpoonishNess 3 years ago
i found this impressive :D. Good work
Capemasta 3 years ago
They looked a lot a like to me. I didn't even know who was who (who did which art that is)
Dmasterman 3 years ago
First of all, let me thank you for your videos. They continue to teach me more about my martial arts. I am trying to develop my own style of martial art, following JKD's philosophies and fundamentals of fighting. This is why I continue to research different styles, taking the best from all. What I noticed was that your advantage wasn't because of an arsenal of better techniques but because of significantly superior footwork. Continue to practice. Martial arts is an endless journey. Peace.
KingHotChocolate 3 years ago 2
This is truth. I wish I could give you two thumbs up. If I knew footwork was the most important thing when I started sparring, I might be better now.
DarthVaygr 3 years ago
in the shaolin there are a lot of low kick ,
why they did nt use them
thepiro666 3 years ago
the position are too low and they ar nt spontaneous
thepiro666 3 years ago
The movements are all spontaneous. Nothing was prearranged.
FlowingZen 3 years ago
I've studied boxing, kickboxing, jujitsu, and karate. I prefer Shaolin Kung Fu for self defense.
FlowingZen 3 years ago
The Shaolin Wushu Monks train using purely external methods, from what I've seen. I use purely internal training. Judging from your comments, I suspect that you have no experience with internal power, although you may think that you do.
FlowingZen 3 years ago
Nice job. Whitch one are you?
gig0n5 3 years ago
Thanks. I'm the one wearing all black.
FlowingZen 3 years ago
thanks.
gig0n5 3 years ago
Be careful. Sifu Wong teaches in Malaysia for a reason. It will be hard to find a teacher that is not instructing WuShu.
swordnerd108 3 years ago
the southern style seems much more efficient with hands (northern appears to leave his ribs opon alot). the nothern style is supposed to be better for kicking
guiltybystander77 3 years ago
I take this, cept southern its more hands, yet nothern is more kicks, im in southern, yet still wanna learn the other!
tok4life420 3 years ago
this is a misunderstood statement that has been propetuated for too long
tattooedmonk 3 years ago
nah, dude.
just an observation of the vid, the guy on the right leaves his ribs open alot. the guy on the left seems to have a firmer stance and less openings. simple statement of fact. im sure if the northern style fighter used his longer weapons to better effect it would be a more even contest.
guiltybystander77 3 years ago
i love traditional techniques, they really are beautiful.
pdpMASTERP 3 years ago 2
great vid
TangASD 3 years ago
Is the guy with the red jacket doing Chang Quan?
zoodle85 3 years ago
no its a black guy
jaygmui 3 years ago
Zoodle85 didn't deny the one in the red shirt was black. The black guy, therefore does, maby northern style. Chang quan is a wide term.
MaBu888 3 years ago
shaolin kung fu ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS and i wish i could do it to but no anyways nice video btw i m from norway
klanders988 3 years ago
In mexico things are a bit different, since china and japan doen´s hate us cause we´re not imperialist, lots of chinesse kung fu masters have come to mexico, or they personally train mexicans if they go to china. My teacher jorge is about 54 years old, he learned lots of styles throuh his life, but the one he prefers is wing chun wich he learned from a chinese teacher. me an my cousin couldn´t even touch him by attacking at the same time
dcl90s 4 years ago 2
Congratulations on finding a good Sifu. Cherish him.
FlowingZen 4 years ago
A question: ¿Is called sifu, shifu or si-fu??
darkairaxandrew 3 years ago
si-fu is more like a cantonese way of saying it, i think shi-fu is mandarin.
ch0wsiub0w 3 years ago
then is called sifu?...Ok thx
darkairaxandrew 3 years ago
Yes, "sifu" is the Cantonese version, while "shifu" in the Mandarin. However, the romanization of Chinese in Mandarin is based on Pin-yin, which is very different from standard English. "Shifu" is not pronounced "shee-fu" but rather "sher-fu" (like "her" with an "s" sound at the beginning).
BaiLong45 3 years ago
wow O.O hahah thx =)
darkairaxandrew 3 years ago
Yes, it's true.I do Wing Tsun in Belgium(I'm from Turkey).Our Sifu learned the WT in the Cantonese region of Chine.The name of the Sifu of my Sifu is Tang Shun Ping.He came to visit us about 1 month ago.A grand master, Sifu Sipacong from China will come to visit for a second time in year on the 01/05.He invited us to his school in China.I hope that i'll be in China soon..I'm lucky :)
qtq000 3 years ago
is your wing chun sifu emin boztepe?
heckald 3 years ago
No.But i train in his schools when i go to Turkey.
qtq000 3 years ago
yeah, even without using open hand strikes, there's a lot of trapping and blocking that can't be accomplished with 16 ounce gloves. One of my kung fu brothers actually went to a boxing gym and sparred one of their guys wearing four ounce gloves (after they teased him for training kung fu) and knocked the guy on his ass using five-element punching
drchango2010 4 years ago
doing a slow-paced counter-respond drill freestyle is a great way to actually make the techniques natural...oft times kung fu stylists revert to rudimentary kick-boxing when it comes down to a fight, but looks like you guys are actually doing 'old school'
thanks for posting this
drchango2010 4 years ago 2
The movements you used were good, obviously you need to train them hard to be able to use movements from forms naturally. In free sparring against a fighter who has a kickbxing approach, could you use your technqiues immediatly without thinking..so bascially the techniques you displayed there could you utilize them if the strikes were quicker?
Pav456 4 years ago
Thank you for the comment. Yes, I can use traditional techniques against a kick-boxer in full-speed sparring.
FlowingZen 4 years ago
I agree,its just been belly flopped,how kungfu is today... my sifu is great though.. hes from Japan,50 years old,and is quick an f ast as a 17 year old. all I cna say is.. I want to become a blackbelt from him... get my teachers degree and teach this art myself. such as My sifu has
yeee941 4 years ago
kung fu is about learning to fight without fighting
CtrlAltDaLEET 4 years ago
I am losing faith in all kung fu.. do you really think you would last 5 seconds in a fight with your face open all of the time like that, your legs ready to be sweeped and your arm out to get thrown? I guess I wont be able to find the old chinese kung fu master that is 90 and could kill all MMA fighters with a single chi blast. lol
leonheart00 4 years ago
Yes, I honestly think that I could last 5 seconds in a real fight. I know because I have. Of course, a real fight is much different than slow sparring. A real fight is also different than full-speed free sparring. In real fighting, I would not leave my arm out, or leave my leg out to get swept. Real fighting is not cooperative. Sparring is.
FlowingZen 4 years ago
By the way, I'm sincerely sorry that you have lost all faith in Kung Fu. The state of Kung Fu today is terrible. One the one hand, I don't blame people for losing faith because 95% of the Kung Fu I've encountered is just "flowery fists and embroidery kicks". But on the other hand, I found what I was looking for, so I encourage others to do the same. It's not easy to find, but it's out there.
FlowingZen 4 years ago
Hey, thanks a lot for that! You said what I needed to hear.. Take a look at videos from Taiji legacy in Dallas. I can't tell the differance between most of that and TKD. Well actually TKD is somewhat structured.
leonheart00 4 years ago
I've seen the video you mention. It's the same at most tournaments these days -- a mix of TKD, Kickboxing, and some bad grappling. You can't find anyone using traditional patterns, even in friendly sparring. Using TKD is fine if you're practicing TKD. But if you're practicing Kung Fu, you should use Kung Fu!
FlowingZen 4 years ago
truth is that 90% of ppl who learn kung fu learn only the basic things moves and other things that looks nice but are not real art
the truth aboute kung fu is that never meet true master on the street and u never will see real master in real fight couse most of them sit in they monesterys and never go out
marcusdavidus 4 years ago
i honestly believe the slower pace is much more of a work out than a full sparr.... im more trained in kung fu san soo but shaolin by far is my favorite and most beautiful in MY OPINION.
poetikassasin 4 years ago
someone please send me a message how do you pronounce shaolin??? please tell me how you pronounce shaolin
doomking126 4 years ago
It is pronounced: "shaow" (rhymes with wow), "lin" (rhymes with pin).
FlowingZen 4 years ago
i understand what you're doing. and i'd say it would definitely help. slow repetitive practice of anything will ultimately lead to very fast reaction times and good technique. whether it's martial arts movements or something like guitar scales. you can't pick up a guitar and just start shredding like a champ without slow repetitive practice
6XstringXsamurai 4 years ago 2
Thanks for the comment. I happen to be a classically trained violinist, so I definitely relate to what you are saying.
FlowingZen 4 years ago
That's not sparring, it's far too static! The techniques are excuted with too much thinking before hand.
cat1mo 4 years ago
Thanks for the comment. There are many types of sparring. Please read the description and the link posted to the right for an explanation of the sparring methodology that is being used.
FlowingZen 4 years ago
This type of sparring is more like a drill. Too much of this sort of practice may lead to false confidence.
cat1mo 4 years ago
Thanks for the comment. Did you read the article? Have you practiced according to a method similar to what is described there? Perhaps you would like to show us a video of what you feel is "real" kung fu sparring?
FlowingZen 4 years ago
Can't find a video at present, besides you said there are different ways of sparring. Don't see any article?? The techniques used are fine, but the flow is lacking, spontaneous or not - breaking the connection to think.
cat1mo 4 years ago
Please let me know when you find a video. And please read the description to the right. Click "About This video". You are correct that the movements are staccato. In later stages, the moves become more flowing. Look in my channel for "Shaolin Sparring II".
FlowingZen 4 years ago
Thanks, checked the comment. Practising slow is fine, breaking the continuity not so fine. Flow doesn't mean faster. Keep the flow,you may make an incorrect move, which is ok,adjust accordingly. Aliveness!
cat1mo 4 years ago
I agree about keeping Kung Fu alive, and about adjusting accordingly. Perhaps we disagree about how to accomplish this. Also, keep in mind that, prior to what you see in this video, the other gentleman had never sparred using his traditional patterns. I think he did amazingly well!
FlowingZen 4 years ago
1st time sparring - I agree he did very well then. I guess it was also tricky for you, having to hold the sparring together.
cat1mo 4 years ago
Okay, I'm back from work now. The reason I banned you is because you weren't listening. Repeatedly, you stated untruths -- untruths about what my teacher said, about my training, about our attitude towards competitions, about our policies, etc. And repeatedly, I corrected you. Rather than admit your mistakes, you continued with more untruths.
FlowingZen 4 years ago
There was no discussion, and I see no point in letting it continue. You are completely anonymous, and you could continue to criticize indefinitely. As I said earlier, you already have your mind made up about us based on what you've seen through a computer screen. So what's the point?
FlowingZen 4 years ago
Yep, I blocked you. I've given you enough of my time. I've patiently answered your questions. You may be hearing my answers, but you are obviously not listening. As I said, I only have so much patience for keyboard warriors. If you'd like to stop being anonymous and show us a video of yourself, then send me a message, and I'll unblock you.
FlowingZen 4 years ago
Okay, you obviously aren't even reading my replies. I'm done wasting my time with you. Bye now. I wish you all the best in your journey.
FlowingZen 4 years ago
Remember Xia,
You all gathered trying to find out reasons why you should not accept challanges from him.
That was cowardly in my opinion.
By the way, I don't know him personally.
But many people in the forum were turned down simply because they said the truth and asked you for challange.
sandawarrior 4 years ago
Xia never offered his name, or any real challenge. All he offered were angry words on a screen. We had fighters -- real people with real names and real skills -- ready to accept his challenge.
FlowingZen 4 years ago
By the way, calling me cowardly through a keyboard is the height of irony. Would you say the same thing to my face?
FlowingZen 4 years ago
Any honourable martail art school around the world would have no problem accepting challanges from outsiders.
So how about a school that never left a chance to mention they are for real and they teach real fighting competency.
sandawarrior 4 years ago
In fact, the policy that your schools around the world can not accept challanges SAYS IT ALL.
Your master does not have faith and confidence that his appointed instructors can do well when challenged by other martial artists.
sandawarrior 4 years ago
Here you go spreading untruths again. Where did you find this policy? I am not aware of it. And if this is my teacher's policy, then why did he give me permission to handle a challenge in 2006? And if he has no confidence in his instructors, why did he give one of his youngest instructors permission to do the same in the UK?
Bah. Enough of this. I have only so much patience for Keyboard Warriors.
FlowingZen 4 years ago
then why am I obligated to prove things to you on your terms (i.e. via videos)?
Then stop mentioning that you are a very rare school practising traditional Chinese martaial arts, and your style is effective for self defence and and competition.
You and your master kept this attitude of indirectly insulting many kungfu schools and that your style can be used against any martial art.
So the public has the right to ask you to back up your claims.
sandawarrior 4 years ago
I do back up my claims. Ask any of my students.
FlowingZen 4 years ago
Please master Anthony,
Are you trying to divert the subject?
I have nothing to prove.
My opinion of your school is something I would keep for myself so that you are not offended.
You have been generous on your many websites and youtube, speaking opennly about your style and other styles.
So you should expect people coming to you asking for something to back up your claims.
One single video of any Wahnam student doing well in a competition would save you lots of criticism.
sandawarrior 4 years ago
Am I trying to divert the subject? What is the subject? I thought that the subject was a video about Shaolin Kung Fu, not a crusade against my school. If you have nothing to prove (or show), then why am I obligated to prove things to you on your terms (i.e. via videos)?
FlowingZen 4 years ago
Nevertheless, the video "proof" you seek will be available one day soon. If I don't provide it fast enough for you, then I'm sorry. I've got more important priorities, like practicing, teaching, and studying medicine. As for the criticism from you and others, I don't worry about it. I can't take anonymous words on a computer screen seriously. I'm thrilled with my art, and so are my students. And that's good enough for me.
FlowingZen 4 years ago
Again, in my opinion, I don't think I am delivering untruths, but rather I am a person who is trying to figure out a few things I find strange about your respected school.
Thanks for your time once again and for your replies..
If you don't mind, I have many other questions I will ask later.
Thanks
sandawarrior 4 years ago
Why don't you go ask him?
Sorry I thought you represent him, don't you?
Anyhow, I would like to offer my apology if I have been nagging.
You have been very nice in your responses and I look forward for another chat later if you don't mind.
sandawarrior 4 years ago
Apology accepted, but you do realize that it is easy to criticize over the Internet, don't you? From your crusade here, it would seem that you don't think much of my kung fu. That's fine. You're entitled to your own opinion. But your opinion would carry a lot more weight if you backed it up with a video of yourself doing some kung fu.
FlowingZen 4 years ago
Your respected master edited many videos on his site.
Why can't he show one single video of a student of his school actually engaged in a real match and using internal force against a freestylist?
Yes, he is not obliged to do that.
But since he is fond of mentioning that other arts are weak, then a common thing to do is to prove it.
sandawarrior 4 years ago
Why don't you go ask him?
FlowingZen 4 years ago
Thanks I just read your last comment of you spending time with your master.
I am not accusing him of not being a traditionalist.
I just want to figure out why you are different from other schools? Why your master keeps belittling other martial arts--indirectly-- and saying his is real.
Fine, but the common responce from the public is to have a proof.
sandawarrior 4 years ago
The difference between you and me is that you expect to find proof from your computer chair. I traveled the world, and found the proof I was looking for. If you want to find out why our school is different from other schools, I don't think you can do it while sitting down.
FlowingZen 4 years ago
I see many instructors around the world.
That is great.
But what is the criteria of being one?
Is it that has internal force and good-looking forms?
As you said, may be my understanding of traditional is vastly different from yours.
I understand such an advanced art(your master's words) requires years of devotion.
Can you do that without being with your master?
sandawarrior 4 years ago
Yes, I can practice diligently without my master being present. Whenever I see him, I show him what I have been practicing, and he makes corrections, if necessary. Many traditional masters don't offer more correction even if you spend every day with them. That's because they understand that kung fu is 90% practice, and 10% learning. Many corrections cannot be made until the student has practice sufficiently.
FlowingZen 4 years ago
Master Anthony,
Please it is not my intention to deliver untruths.
I am asking rather sincerely.
Your master does not hold regular classes( fine no problem with being traditional or not), but how did you spend years with him?
He spends most of the year abroad.
I mean such a secret system you are practising requires years of dedicated and supervised practise under your master.
sandawarrior 4 years ago
I have chased my teacher around the world since 1997. I see him a few times a year, and spend a lot of time with him. When I am with him, he teaches me openly, without any secrets. If you want to accuse him of not being traditional, this is what you attack. Most traditional masters keep secrets, even from their top disciples. Sifu Wong does not, which allows us to learn more in a short amount of time.
FlowingZen 4 years ago
If it is not your intention to deliver untruths, then stop doing it.
FlowingZen 4 years ago
For those who are watching:
Here is the post:
Yes, Shi Wan Heng is the most traditional monk in the modern Shaolin temple and his kung fu, chi kung and zen is the most traditional. But the problem is when he started as a young boy at the age of 8 the Shaolin arts were already immensely decreased. So what he learned is not as "real" as our Shaolin arts in Shaolin Wahnam but more "real" than what the rest of the modern Shaolin monks do.
sandawarrior 4 years ago
2. Usually the students would live with the master, or at least would spend much time with him a DAY, to learn many many aspects not only forms.Your's is different.
You spend almost one week a year with your master and then he appionts you as an instructor!!!!!!!
sandawarrior 4 years ago
See my reply below about "traditional". And please stop stating untruths. I was not appointed an instructor after one week with my master. I spent years learning from him. More importantly, I diligently practiced what I learned. Shaolin Kung Fu is 90% practice and 10% learning.
FlowingZen 4 years ago
One more thing,and please don't take it as an insult, isn't your teacher saying all the time that his, is a traditional system?
Then why the contradiction here?:
1.He does not teach in regular classes; a traditionalist would.
sandawarrior 4 years ago
You have a different definition of traditional. To me, traditional means that the art is taught and practice as it was in the past. For example, when we spar, we use traditional Shaolin patterns. Whether or not Sifu Wong teaches regular classes or intensive seminars has nothing to do with being traditional. Past masters did not use cell phones or computers. Does that mean that those who do are not traditional?
FlowingZen 4 years ago
Again thank you for your openness,
but isn't Ronny or any instructor in your forum a representative of your school?
sandawarrior 4 years ago
Ronny is an assistant instructor under an instructor under Sifu Wong. And even he did not say "our school is the best" -- words that you put into his teacher's teacher's mouth.
FlowingZen 4 years ago
Go to your forum. Kungfu section
She Wan Heng interview, other styles of kungfu.
Read the 7th post; made by Ronny'
and tell me frankly what you see from his words.
sandawarrior 4 years ago
I see an opinion offered by Ronny, not by Sifu Wong. Here is another opinion: it my opinion that people who don't use traditional patterns in combat are not practicing traditional kung fu. That does not necessarily mean that I am a better fighter than them, but simply that theirs is not, in my opinion, genuine traditional kung fu.
FlowingZen 4 years ago
You say your master never said his scholl is the best.
But, come on, anyone reading his articles in his site would see nothing but trying to mention that, rather implicitly.
I am not saying that's wrong. Everyone is entitled to advertise and tell his opinions.
But I find deceiving the public."my opinion"
sandawarrior 4 years ago
Thank you for your opinion. I disagree. My teacher openly states his opinion that Shaolin Kung Fu is the greatest martial art in the world, and he lists his reasons. He does not say that his kung fu school is the best in the world. There is a difference. He also respects other martial arts and frequently talks about the beauty and profundity of arts like Baguazhang, Xingyiquan, and Taijiquan.
FlowingZen 4 years ago
My teacher is passionate about Shaolin Kung Fu, and has dedicated his life to it. I respect his dedication and passion. We all have our opinions about what we think is best, but personally, I wouldn't want to learn from someone who doesn't think that their art is the best. Would you learn the violin from a teacher who thinks that the piano is better?
FlowingZen 4 years ago
I am sorry, but this isn't gonna work in a real fight.
Besides, I have read many posts in your forum mentioning you are the best kungfu school alive;though indirectly.
Why?.. Your master never failed to tell the public his kungfu is the best.But when asked for a proof, simply he would say we don't accept challenges !!!!!
sandawarrior 4 years ago
Thank you for the comment. My teacher has never said that we are the best. What we say is that we can use traditional kung fu patterns in sparring and combat. If an opponent is more skillful, then we will lose, but we'll lose using traditional patterns. In my experience, these patterns work well in sparring, as well as real fights.
FlowingZen 4 years ago
There have been several instances on our forum where we accepted challenges, but the other side backed down. It's easy to challenge people over the Internet. Don't worry. I'm sure that, in the not-too-distant future, one of these challenges will actually happen. Hopefully, it will be caught on video tape. If so, and if my teacher approves, I will share it here.
FlowingZen 4 years ago
Challenges happen all the time in any good kung fu school. You are not the first to doubt whether traditional techniques would work in a real fight. Many of Sifu Wong's students have years of experience in other arts, and many have expressed their doubts, myself included. This kind of "challenge" happens often in Sifu's classes. Sifu always manages to settle the doubts, and the doubters often become dedicated students. Of course, he didn't settle our doubts using a video...
FlowingZen 4 years ago
Thank you for the comment. The sparring is staccato because it is unrehearsed. Everything is spontaneous.
FlowingZen 4 years ago
Gentlemen, my compliments on the extraordinary kung fu. I myself study modern combatives from around the world and try to only observe and appreciate traditional martial arts. However, I DO find alot of practical and brilliant technique in Shaolin and other kung fu, so my question is this: what is your drive for studying kung fu? Spiritual, physical, martial?
DjigitDaniel 4 years ago
Thank you for the kind words. The other gentleman from the video is not here. It's just me (the one wearing all black). My motivations for studying Shaolin Kung Fu include: health, energy cultivation, fitness, mental clarity, self defense, and spiritual cultivation. I am grateful that I can accomplish all of that with one art.
FlowingZen 4 years ago
Fair enough. Continue and prosper in your art.
DjigitDaniel 4 years ago
I don't know why but I seem to like the southern syles better.For some reason they seem more short ranged anyway I don't know much about either but am thinkin of taking Wuzuquan (Five Ancestors Fist) I heard it was a mix of some north and south styles besides its the only school near me.
johnm543 4 years ago
I recommend that you read my teacher's book: "The Art of Shaolin Kung Fu" by Wong Kiew Kit. It will give you a solid understanding of the scope and depth of various styles of kung fu. My teacher also learned Wuzuquan, so there is some information about that as well.
FlowingZen 4 years ago
Thanks I check it out.
johnm543 4 years ago
i have this book, it's really good
parkspeacock 4 years ago
Good stances, everything looks strong.
RTFilms 4 years ago
Let me guess the guy in black is southern guy.
fzeeshan 4 years ago
Good guess. :^)
FlowingZen 4 years ago
wah,nice,North kung fu practicer here^^
xiang0810900 4 years ago
Thank you all for the kind words. I'm glad to see so much interest in traditional Shaolin sparring. Keep an eye on my channel for more. This is an old video, and the camera didn't even have audio. I recently purchased a good digital video camera, so I'll be adding more and more videos.
FlowingZen 4 years ago
Awesome! Great to see traditional Kung Fu in practice. Keep it up!
Graff63 4 years ago
nice
Nhia89 4 years ago
what's the name of the pattern your friend uses at 1:01, the hanging fist in a steal step.
shaolindrunk 4 years ago
I don't know the name from Northern Shaolin. In my school, the name is "Reverse Hanging of the Golden Lotus" whether it is done in the Bow-Arrow Stance, False-Leg Stance, or Stolen-Step.
FlowingZen 4 years ago
Cool!
ruruti 4 years ago