Flos Duellatorum: Dagger Winding Disarms and Extrapolation

[DiabolusIgnis]

I've covered very little dagger vs dagger, but it didn't include any of this. But it was quite similar, we just didn't go all the way, but stabbed the arm instead. It's hard to explain.

[Miekkamies123]

These are NOT Fiore dei Liberi's techniques! I don't know what these are, but techniques on the video are not from Flos Duellatorum or any other Fiore manuscripts.

Some of these tricks look actually quite ridiculous to my eye.

[ArmeAntica]

@Miekkamies123, then you don't seem to know much of anything about the principle of Winding, which is everywhere in western fighting, nor what the word "extrapolation" means (which is the basis of Fiore's whole book).

Fiore illustrates Winding against arms, daggers, swords...if you don't even recognize the principle behind the "technique" you so desperately search (and still can't see) then you really need to study more before you criticize what you obviously don't well understand.

[hec182001]

Are medieval martial arts all that you know? Have you studied anything else.

[ArmeAntica]

@hec182001, no they are not all that I know. I am a long-time student of modern and ancient military and survivalist martial arts.

[jettarulz]

hahahah I guess so Its not to bad! YOu do a good job of it! Hey I asked to be your friend on facebook I hope you aceppt @ jjthevwguy josh

[jettarulz]

Im not sure I see how the knife is being droped ? with leverage? I just dont see how if somone has a good grip on it ?

[ArmeAntica]

@jettarulz, this is a pretty standard principle. Like all good crosses, whether weapon to weapon (like longswords) or arm to arm, or in this case, arm to weapon, you apply a circular force, in this case with your body through your forearm which is in contact with the flat of the knife, and it twists it in his hand. You wind/spiral forces from your body through his knife down to the weak point in the chain, which will probably be his hand/wrist unless he's good.

[jettarulz]

Awesome! love your videos you are so hard on your students lol ....

[ArmeAntica]

@jettarulz, ; ) There are many shades of grey, and each student has his or her own. My goal is to produce actual and realistic self-defense capabilities in my students. If you don't know pain or can't take a punch (through proper technique, of course, not just resisting blunt force trauma by repetition), then you're pretty unprepared for a fight. That's my background, at least.

But this is a pretty tame video for a comment like that, isn't it?! LOL

[jeeezuz]

quello che non ho mai capito della parte di autodifesa da daga del Flos è come mai vada tanto a sacrificare gli avambracci e i polsi. Molti giochi sono fatti praticamente frapponendo il proprio avambraccio per difendersi e da lì parte il disarmo, ma mi chiedo se nella realtà uno non si ritrovi poi con i tendini recisi...

[ArmeAntica]

Capisco quello che dici, ma in realta' l'avambraccio viene allineato con la sua daga in modo che tocchi il piatto e non il filo. Quindi se fatta come si deve, non tocchi il filo e non ti tagli.

Ci sono tecniche in cui metti a rischio il tuo braccio, tipo spada e cappa dove avvolgi la cappa intorno al braccio per usare il braccio un po' come uno scudo. Pero', nelle tecniche mostrate nel video, il punto e' lavorare sul piatto dell' arma ed evitare completamente il filo.

[tiddlestidd]

brilliant you guys are setting the standard

[Djemps]

Just added this to my growing medieval dagger play list. Great stuff!