I just randomly saw this video and i feel oblige to make a reply and call you a retard. FLASH STYLE involving goliath, tank and vulture? Do you really have so little common sense that you don't know all TvPs of ANY player, of ANY style is tank/vulture/goliath? According to you, what would a non-flash-style Terran player do in TvP? Medic Marine? LOL.
You obviously have NO IDEA about this game, which is okay, if you just keep your mouth shut instead of trying to sound like a Pro.
No.... I was stating the obvious that you suck at this game, i didnt swear or insult you or anything. Just stating a fact. Ask anyone who have basic knowledge about this game, and you'd call you dumb. Which again is not really trolling, just stating facts. It's like I say jaehoon is a bad player, i am just stating the obivous.
you basically have to go gol tank vult against any toss if it gets to be t3 (carriers or arbiters) but flash does have a unique style, it involves a quick third and two armories for a quick +2/+1 to melt mass units with tanks or interceptors with goliaths.
fact is that terran just doesn't have a whole ton of units at their disposal, but what they have is very, very good, so terran will seem predictable, but that doesn't make them easy to stop.
Actually, all decent players micro their carriers with the patrol command, which requires a lot less effort than precise goliath micro. The real problem for terran is that interceptors have the same priority as ground units and carriers, so most of the time you have to paint them a target manually. That's hard to do in large-scale battles with 3++ ctrl groups of gols.
basically what made flash lose was jangbi's storms on the bridge when he took out an entire control group of tanks thats why flash lost in my opinion. plus jangbi's ability to abuse the ledges on destination. but i think if flash didnt lose that control group and basically 3/4 of his army on the bridge he could have protected his 4th i think it was when goons went in and took it out while carriers were in his natural
if i were a korean commentator trying to come up with RP back stories to hype games (like the 6 dragons) i'd nickname jangbi the elementalist, because his storms rape so hard.
carriers not imba. theres a bunch of vod of flash owning carriers to the point that P stop going carriers vs Flash because they know they'll get own. Jangbi didnt win with just carriers. he juggle between ground army and use carriers to harrass flash economy. thats how Jangbi won. IT wasn't all Carriers that won him the game.
Carriers are overpowered as hell with good micro, and they aren't hard to control. I'm a D terran and can go Protoss for easy wins with carriers, especially on this map. Flash's army comp was like 75% Goliaths and they can just fly around them.
Carriers are imbalanced at D, I can't speak as to higher levels but generally people seem to agree. Easy to micro. Yes, obviously they can be countered, but you can take a look at the APM required to micro Goliaths well and then compare that with carrier APM and it won't even be close.
Terran requires higher APM than most other races in general...especially at lower levels. That's not a good way to compare.
Flash lost because he expo'd too quickly and spread himself too thin. Jangbi played exceptionally well and abused the mobility of the carriers and pushed the mobility of the toss ground army to its limits. He played the map to the extreme.
Desti has too much open space to be truly carrier imba...it's no Katrina.
You've never micro'd carriers against mass upgraded goliaths, have you?
It requires much higher APM to properly* control carriers against gols than the foil.
Gols have the option of targeting either the carrier or the interceptors...both of which are effective. Carriers need to be controlled so as to target one gol at a time while maintaining the farthest distance possible.
Lol I have many times, as Ghost said you just abuse their mobility. You use the bridges on Destination to force goliaths at you 2 or 3 at a time and then just pick them off. Right click one, wait for interceptors to come out, right click backwards. It's not hard at all.
If he has mass upgraded goliaths... dragoons + expand?
Lol. Play terran, try A-moving goliaths against carriers and tell me how far you get, even against a complete rookie. You have to CONSTANTLY be moving in and out or even a half-decent Protoss will rip you apart 1 by 1.
At the APM level of Flash and Jangbi, I don't think they are imbalanced because they have enough time to keep up with macro. At my level, every time I've gotten to use carriers it's been autowin, even off just 2 Stargates.
Cuz you're a moron, you ever heard of the "flash build"? guess who invented it? It gained noteriety because of its ability to deal with carriers, flash just failed today.
they dont go ghost cause it requires too much gas and tech, so Gol's are the best solution ( cloaked wraiths are also an option but require alot of gas)
I don't know if Jangbi is quite back to his top form. I mean, he made a few critical errors towards the end there that would have let Flash back into the game if Jangbi hadn't been so far ahead already.
Man, that was fun. I miss watching Carrier battles like that. So much action!
top class pros with carriers = way too dangerous. Carrier control was amazing, especially after destroying Flash's natural. Also, it wasn't just carriers. HT control was unbelievable, also. Jangbi, you and your carriers are awesome. No wonder why my carriers suck ass, after seeing your play.lol
nothing in starcraft is imbalanced... that's why it's been so popular for the past 10 years and all races have dominated at one point. if you ask the pros or anyone with fair amount of knowledge in sc they'll say that terran's upgrades and vultures are imbalanced.
whoa flash really got stomped today...when he destroyed the left side and there where only 3 carriers i thought he had it but man....jangbi is back ! i hope he returns to his former self after this confidence boost today
Jangbi's carrier control: press 0a98sf098asdufsalfkjads;f. Flash: Micro perfectly to keep from losing.
corianderthal 1 month ago
NoooB! Ghost111111
Lp1q 1 year ago
nice upload
bunsinh456 1 year ago
good game
huuthong90 2 years ago
hey isnt it that mass valks> mass carriers?? why won't they use them?? just starting with starcraft, i just wanna know
BisuDMan 2 years ago
there is always this bug i have with valks they dont shoot sometimes which sucks
rapidspit 2 years ago
Good Carrier Micro can really make valks useless--they get picked off incredibly quickly and are very expensive.
unperfume 2 years ago
KINGBI WINS!
kirbyman1kanden7pf 2 years ago
The quality of the vid is increasing...good :)
JeDorsBeaucoupTrop 2 years ago
Well, Flashes style involves 3 units: goliath, tank, and vulture.
Hard pressed to be the variety of: zealot, dragoon, carrier, high templar, arcon, reaver, dropship
mitchlaster 2 years ago
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nike88titans 2 years ago
I just randomly saw this video and i feel oblige to make a reply and call you a retard. FLASH STYLE involving goliath, tank and vulture? Do you really have so little common sense that you don't know all TvPs of ANY player, of ANY style is tank/vulture/goliath? According to you, what would a non-flash-style Terran player do in TvP? Medic Marine? LOL.
You obviously have NO IDEA about this game, which is okay, if you just keep your mouth shut instead of trying to sound like a Pro.
fenicsisthebest 2 years ago
Obvious troll is obvious, just keep thinking your cool kid.
mitchlaster 2 years ago
No.... I was stating the obvious that you suck at this game, i didnt swear or insult you or anything. Just stating a fact. Ask anyone who have basic knowledge about this game, and you'd call you dumb. Which again is not really trolling, just stating facts. It's like I say jaehoon is a bad player, i am just stating the obivous.
fenicsisthebest 2 years ago
you basically have to go gol tank vult against any toss if it gets to be t3 (carriers or arbiters) but flash does have a unique style, it involves a quick third and two armories for a quick +2/+1 to melt mass units with tanks or interceptors with goliaths.
fact is that terran just doesn't have a whole ton of units at their disposal, but what they have is very, very good, so terran will seem predictable, but that doesn't make them easy to stop.
Goblinbiddin 2 years ago
Flash is really changing style recently
from 2 base 5 fact timing push
to 2 base, expand, and push
and now he seems to just get to even 4 or 5 bases before he even comes out
that IMO is what gives the toss plenty of time to chose any tech
stevent430 2 years ago
excessive macro, i think
OniLinkBoris 2 years ago
Jangbi is such a beast PvT it's insane
detached9 2 years ago
Actually, all decent players micro their carriers with the patrol command, which requires a lot less effort than precise goliath micro. The real problem for terran is that interceptors have the same priority as ground units and carriers, so most of the time you have to paint them a target manually. That's hard to do in large-scale battles with 3++ ctrl groups of gols.
annaszegedi 2 years ago
Ps are starting to counter the flash build :(
dflatminor 2 years ago
¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿ xd he is very noob!
luchomilla 2 years ago
What a sweet deceiver was Jangbi this game.
96seconds 2 years ago
basically what made flash lose was jangbi's storms on the bridge when he took out an entire control group of tanks thats why flash lost in my opinion. plus jangbi's ability to abuse the ledges on destination. but i think if flash didnt lose that control group and basically 3/4 of his army on the bridge he could have protected his 4th i think it was when goons went in and took it out while carriers were in his natural
nyghtfal 2 years ago 3
Jangbi is back!!
binaryfuzion 2 years ago
if i were a korean commentator trying to come up with RP back stories to hype games (like the 6 dragons) i'd nickname jangbi the elementalist, because his storms rape so hard.
ftofertalize 2 years ago
Reach has another nickname about storm
kmynsb 2 years ago
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i'm always like carriers = imba and you'r'all like thumbs down watch flash thumbs down and so there you go
NaturalTvventy 2 years ago
carriers not imba. theres a bunch of vod of flash owning carriers to the point that P stop going carriers vs Flash because they know they'll get own. Jangbi didnt win with just carriers. he juggle between ground army and use carriers to harrass flash economy. thats how Jangbi won. IT wasn't all Carriers that won him the game.
toopham 2 years ago 3
I already watched a game where flash was owned with carrier only...
It was Bisu against him if i'm not wrong..
vinijdc 2 years ago
Lol killing 2, almost 3 CC's isn't "harrassing."
Carriers are overpowered as hell with good micro, and they aren't hard to control. I'm a D terran and can go Protoss for easy wins with carriers, especially on this map. Flash's army comp was like 75% Goliaths and they can just fly around them.
FaZ07 2 years ago
LOL @ a D player making any kind of commentary
Xeeero123 2 years ago 2
Carriers are imbalanced at D, I can't speak as to higher levels but generally people seem to agree. Easy to micro. Yes, obviously they can be countered, but you can take a look at the APM required to micro Goliaths well and then compare that with carrier APM and it won't even be close.
FaZ07 2 years ago
You fucking iccup scrub go back to your cave please. fucking baddies who think there good
deaphh 2 years ago
Lol kid grow up and learn how to read. Did I say anything whatsoever about me being good?
FaZ07 2 years ago
Terran requires higher APM than most other races in general...especially at lower levels. That's not a good way to compare.
Flash lost because he expo'd too quickly and spread himself too thin. Jangbi played exceptionally well and abused the mobility of the carriers and pushed the mobility of the toss ground army to its limits. He played the map to the extreme.
Desti has too much open space to be truly carrier imba...it's no Katrina.
Ghost2867 2 years ago
You've never micro'd carriers against mass upgraded goliaths, have you?
It requires much higher APM to properly* control carriers against gols than the foil.
Gols have the option of targeting either the carrier or the interceptors...both of which are effective. Carriers need to be controlled so as to target one gol at a time while maintaining the farthest distance possible.
Go learn the game first.
Ghost2867 2 years ago
Lol I have many times, as Ghost said you just abuse their mobility. You use the bridges on Destination to force goliaths at you 2 or 3 at a time and then just pick them off. Right click one, wait for interceptors to come out, right click backwards. It's not hard at all.
If he has mass upgraded goliaths... dragoons + expand?
FaZ07 2 years ago
It's not hard, but is a lot harder than a-moving goliaths...and a lot more APM intensive. It also limits your multitasking.
In addition, carriers cost a LOT of money and take FOREVER to build.
Flash lost because Jangbi outplayed him with a carefully prepared build order. Flash did NOT lose because of some game imbalance you're making up.
Get over your terran fanboyism and watch the game.
Ghost2867 2 years ago
Lol. Play terran, try A-moving goliaths against carriers and tell me how far you get, even against a complete rookie. You have to CONSTANTLY be moving in and out or even a half-decent Protoss will rip you apart 1 by 1.
At the APM level of Flash and Jangbi, I don't think they are imbalanced because they have enough time to keep up with macro. At my level, every time I've gotten to use carriers it's been autowin, even off just 2 Stargates.
FaZ07 2 years ago
You get better results a-moving gols against carriers than you do carriers against gols. Gol micro is more forgiving.
And seriously...you need to play against better opponents if that is the case.
Ghost2867 2 years ago
yah...ur a D player
c0stc0dud1 2 years ago 3
Cuz you're a moron, you ever heard of the "flash build"? guess who invented it? It gained noteriety because of its ability to deal with carriers, flash just failed today.
Xeeero123 2 years ago
Why is it that terran players don't use ghost lockdown? Then those carriers won't go near a terran base.
TheShredderFromHell 2 years ago
Because they are too slow and it's hard to lockdown carriers when protoss micro well.
vinijdc 2 years ago
boxer used to...i dunno why, makes sense to lockdown. but theres probably a reason, they're pros.
sandiegosuperbowl 2 years ago
they dont go ghost cause it requires too much gas and tech, so Gol's are the best solution ( cloaked wraiths are also an option but require alot of gas)
DoubIeO 2 years ago
i hate seeing flash lose... he always wins the games against n00bs (A+/A) but he cant quite seem to beat the S class pros.
livewireum 2 years ago
Bad day for Flash. But Jangbi earned this win.
JeeHost 2 years ago
Intense game. Happy that Jangbi won, but sort of feel bad for flash, but glad that Jangbi is playing more like how he used to now.
NubOmatic 2 years ago
Wow! this looks like a very intense matchup.
scvrdytogosir 2 years ago
Jangbi played well, but I hate seeing Flash loose twice :/ GG ^^
akeee 2 years ago 3
god damit it FLASH WTF!!!
INS1cells 2 years ago
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elpriceisright 2 years ago
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I've said it now? I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The people who comment on these videos have down syndrome.
fOrGGyO 2 years ago
lol phail
cagatenen 2 years ago
starcraft=modern chess
xxXghislainXxx 2 years ago 4
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I hate being able to almost know for sure protoss will win when he goes carriers pvt
Terran doesn't have any similar unit against protoss. toss has arbiters and carriers
loztdignity 2 years ago
wow you're retarded.
jhyunahn 2 years ago
terran has vessels, golaith and bc
themartian1 2 years ago
Dude, mass goliath rapes carriers if you don't micro properly.
NubOmatic 2 years ago
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with 2-1 mass goliaths rape carriers regardless of how well you micro.
Extreme cases excepted of course.
jjay75 2 years ago
I don't know if Jangbi is quite back to his top form. I mean, he made a few critical errors towards the end there that would have let Flash back into the game if Jangbi hadn't been so far ahead already.
Man, that was fun. I miss watching Carrier battles like that. So much action!
flabbikins 2 years ago
top class pros with carriers = way too dangerous. Carrier control was amazing, especially after destroying Flash's natural. Also, it wasn't just carriers. HT control was unbelievable, also. Jangbi, you and your carriers are awesome. No wonder why my carriers suck ass, after seeing your play.lol
modenkid 2 years ago
yeah i dont think he watches youtube. sorry dude.
fOrGGyO 2 years ago
i feel bad that kimcarry didn't broadcast this game
he would have cried for this
ctw2001 2 years ago
after a while i realized that i was watching this game with my mouth open, great game
regnarog2 2 years ago
too aggressive
sd48 2 years ago
Amazing match, Flash went sooo much anti-air, and yet those Carriers couldn't be stopped. >_>
ewicn 2 years ago
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Once again it was shown how imba carriers are ;)
peyote42 2 years ago
nothing in starcraft is imbalanced... that's why it's been so popular for the past 10 years and all races have dominated at one point. if you ask the pros or anyone with fair amount of knowledge in sc they'll say that terran's upgrades and vultures are imbalanced.
baeksi34 2 years ago
take it easy
it was a lol imba toss joke
kyuukyuu 2 years ago
You did a very good job of contradicting yourself...
HelloWorldOD 2 years ago 4
how so?
baeksi34 2 years ago
you are contradicting yourself idiot, you say that nothing is imbalanced in sc and after you say that all the pros know that the vultures are imba
Velosirraton 2 years ago 2
These games vs Flash are sick, sick, sick!
First stork vs flash was so wild all I saw was units exploding and recalls for about 20 minutes and now this x.x
DeliriumSC 2 years ago 3
sad day for Flash fans
khersai 2 years ago 3
... for the little man himself surely aswell.
at the end of the video he looks completely broken. :(
phaeryen 2 years ago 3
He just can't win these days... =((((((
T_T
Flash come back!
Even still his games are excelent and you can tell he's still a top player... but he's losing....
Until the end there though his game was almost flawless. That defense was so so good.
twinesper 2 years ago
all went down hill once he split his troops to try and take out the 3 o'clock
Spanxxx 2 years ago
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whoa flash really got stomped today...when he destroyed the left side and there where only 3 carriers i thought he had it but man....jangbi is back ! i hope he returns to his former self after this confidence boost today
xenophobian 2 years ago 3
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wow impressive plya by Flash!!!!!!! He did even more then he was able to But Jangbi is too good for him!
Glibberg 2 years ago
... unbelieveable.
AvocadoMandog 2 years ago 3
Wow. Talk about comeback.
phard9 2 years ago
Clash of the Titans #2....
Swarms89 2 years ago 3