Turkey's European goal - 25 Jun 08

[54Turkiye]

TURKIYE IS THE BEST WE ARE THE PROUDEST NATION IN THE WORLD WE HAVE HONOUR AND PROUD

cCc NE MUTLU TURKUM DIYENE cCc

WE TURKS TAKE OVER EUROPE WE DID IT BEFORE WITH OUR OTTOMAN EMPIRE

[CrociatoAzzurro]

No to Turkey in EU

[54Turkiye]

@CrociatoAzzurro WE HAVE THE BIGGEST ARMY WE KILL EUROPEANS WE TAKE OVER EUROPE IN 1 DAY

cCc EN BÜYÜK TÜRKIYE cCc

[CrociatoAzzurro]

@54Turkiye

first you have to wash your face, Mustapha...

[ROBHUGHES1453]

@Vikingocalypse How does greece not belong in Europe? ohh and emal me ur article i would like to read

[okyanusca68]

@ROBHUGHES1453 he means Not Europe but Eu. Greece fake their economic ratios to join to EU.Now Their fake economy costing whole Eu to collapse down.

[ROBHUGHES1453]

@Vikingocalypse Shut up u idiot if your saying turkey doesnt need it then why have they been desperate to join?

[xxTurquiaxx]

We are islamic and asian nation.

Our roots comes from central asia, our language is an altaic language and has also the same roots wich azerbaijani, turkmen, uzbek and kazakh. Even where we live today is called "asia minor"

We wont Turkey wich is a member of EU, we want a Turkey wich is a bridge between europe and asia, orient and oxident, islam and christianity.

We want full independent Turkey

[memos2k]

@good2goski haha you dont know anything about turks dont you ?

you get it wrong.. some turks look like asians that´s true but if i say we are not asians than i mean we have nothing to to with there Culture or politically..

the ottoman empire had half of europe so that mean that some european country´s are asians too cuz they making kid´s with Turk soldier´s (go wikipedia read..) ?

No Proof for that what you talkin..

its just funny what i read here :D

whole Eu have the anti moslem POV.

Crisis

[memos2k]

@good2goski and nobody refuse to lear german dont talk shit like this.. my gradfather were one of the first here.. he came as he was over 30, and worked up to 13-14hour a day so where is the time to lern it if you are only here to work ? he is in turkey now like many other guy´s in his age. all the new generations speak very well german and many of them are studyíng so no infection at all.

africans sell drugs, russians sell drugs and cars, arabs killing, Polish steal cars...

sure that´s the Eu..

[memos2k]

@good2goski

Turkey can join the eu but they dont want them as i said they are scared that´s the fakt, the whole world see us (muslims) as Killer´s only becouse some idiot´s killing in name of God (BULLSHIT) its the same if i say every catholic abuse kids. so its big bullshit how they try to change the view by saying Turkey is far away from europe ist just funny to watch / hear all the stupid things they talkin :)

[memos2k]

@good2goski so fakt is eu are scared to let such a big country like Turkey to join them (only ger has more population = influence) not Turkey no social/ cultural connection to Europe just read a littlebit about the history / Atatürk and you will see the way that tukry is going for more than 80 year´s :)

[memos2k]

@good2goski Asians? cmon that to funny i mean Turkey have much more European side´s that Asian.. The Eu are cooperating with Turkey in many way´s not only Sell/Buy Good´s, there is a Turkish politician who said that Turkey Must build up a new Union with all the arabic states, if turkey realy do that than.. i mean oil and money is enough there, and connections up to Usa, Nato ect has Turkey allready, and some country in the Eu like Bulgaria, Albania.. far away from eu, but members as well

[memos2k]

@good2goski and dont be a racist by saying "stop infecting Europe" Turks pay the most tax in Ger after the germans, that´s only a demonstration of your "cleverness".

there are other People than turks who infecting Europe, i mean we dont got the "car stealing Nation" repute ;)

[memos2k]

@good2goski i dont get it why erdogan want the Eu.. Turkey have the best connections to East And West no other country in the world have such a strategic and diplomatic influence to there neighbors, we dont need the corrupted eu, but some stupid people dont want to see that..

[killawazhere]

fucking cunts

turks arnt fucking mongols

original turks look like persians and where related to persians they where nomads u fucking dumb arab asswipes

[caportica]

AlJazeeraEnglish Television is an enemy of Turks.You can see their racist things from programmes by AlJazeeraEnglish.

They are always supported Pkk(The Terorist group in Turkey).

So;get out from our country please..

[maligunduz]

i dont see any turk who wants to join eu..as a turk i hate eu..nothing will be left if we join to eu..plz god dont let Turkey join eu..we are asian we got honor we got respect we know how to put our head down and up..any way after 100 years eu will be muslim state.. how.not with gun ,it is gonna be population..i respect.!

[bosphorate]

kedi ulasamadıgı cigere mundar dermis:)))

[maligunduz]

iste bende onu diyorum .bize mundar diyorlar

[morbie5]

It is true that Europe needs labor. However, they can get laborers from Eastern Europe.

The Turks that are already in Germany and Austria don't fit in well; why would you bring in 10s of millions more???

[nonameposter]

When East Europe joined the EU immigration declined because of the stronger economic growth. I am not very happy with Turkey joining the EU. I think both the EU and Turkey still need time to get some jobs done, however, the immigration argument does not make sense

[morbie5]

@nonameposter Eastern Europe was more developed and the people have a better education than in Turkey. Istanbul is a very cosmopolitan city with a dynamic economy but vast areas of Turkey are like a 3rd world country. It would be like Mexico joining the USA.

[TURKISHNATIONALIST31]

romanovrox dont forget 1453 İSTANBUL İS TURKİSH OKEY? İSTANBUL İS TURKEY and TURKEY İS EUROPEN CONTRY

[onderredno]

please every one stop to fight eacother,im turkish and i dont want to turkish join EU,also all youth turkish dont want too,only our stupit politicion wants it,EU dosent like us and we dont like it,thts all,dont fight,we never join,and we wll never change our religion..calmdownnn..

[Kamadeva01]

main issue is religion,one that i dont have as i'm atheist, but as i see it ... until Turkey has gone through fire they wont be accepted; so in that regard difficult times announce themselves for the turks.

they will have to do alot of convincing toward europe: religon,immigration,adopting european aquis(most important issues).

i think they will join eventually, if they are not tired of our demands first.

[shepherd09060]

greetings from toronto.we are proud of beıng muslum people, I wish you chose ıslam one day because the ıslam relıgıon ıs very logical .yeap ı accept although turkey ısn't a europe country,ıt has been 3th team ın the last europencup so could you ımagıne what turkey would do ıf ıt ıs europen country:)

[hoplite1766]

Turkey is not Europe, Turks are musims and should side with the other camel jockeys,like they did in the war with Iraq, not letting the coalition forces use their airbases. Neither should they be in football competitions like the European championships, they should team up with their own like Iran and Iraq and stay out of Europe until they wipe their asses on the koran

[talsid]

i pity your ignorance)

[amasra56]

Both entities need each other; Turkey needs Europe as an example to develop and maintain better civil rights, human rights, tolerance, freedom of thought and speech as well as respect women and minorities...Europe needs Turkey to prove that she is not a christian club and willing to establish better relationship with the moslem world, as well as benefit from the Turkish dynamizm.

[morbie5]

The EU doesn't need to prove that it isn't a Christian club. Europe is Christan territory. It should stay that way.

[RomanovRok]

Turkey is NOT a Europe and you are NOT Europeans. So, Forget about it.

Orthodox Christian Byzantia supposed to be existing today, not diaper-head Turkia

[talsid]

but it does not exist so what you gonno do about it cry whine ....

[tyenuj]

Turkish people have no control over anything in their life.

So I guess football works out for them, the bread and game philosophy of running a country :D

[TunderFighter]

You're simply an ordinary jealous person. I understand your reaction.

[fuckcybersociety]

your argument against turkey trying to get into the EU is based on the fact that they are muslims and that they are a mixed race... sounds like to me that you are a racist cunt. i'm not calling you names, your just simply giving you self your own title.

[fuckcybersociety]

smircea why are you complaining so much about turkey trying to get into the EU? its safe to say your not in any political position, so why do you care so much? turkey has a lot to offer to the EU, and frankly the EU can use turkey's infrastructure and population because Europe is on a deadly slope of a population decrease. it looks to me as if your just a racist cunt. BTW, Romania just recently entered the EU in 2007, so i think you can stfu about turkey.

[globe255]

EU need Turkey?  NEVER!

[FeNeRliiFreakiHH]

You are right Eu need countrys like Bulgaria or Serbia...Turkey is a very important country. The farming is better than this one in the EU of most countries. This one carries for her much cloth is of Turkey. Looks how many clothes are Made in Turkey. Do not misunderstand me. It is not meant badly. It is meant only seriously. I hate it, if most Europeans are pretending as if they were the best ones. There also better are lands as Germany, France and Italy. But they wouldn´t see this countrys..

[fromwilliams]

Turkey doesnt need Europe.

It's Europe that needs Turkey.

Just ask President Obama,he will tell you why.

[Mhenlomatras]

Only turks in europe want to join the eu...

59% of the people who live in Turkey dont want to join the EU..

they say it is fine how it goes now.. and it is.. Fuck EU.. their going down and down...

[FeNeRliiFreakiHH]

No, I´m living in Germany but im a Turk and i don´t want to join the eu

[baracuda3133]

@FeNeRliiFreakiHH sikeyim belanı

[querdenker71]

@FeNeRliiFreakiHH i live in germany too and i will never support for joining the EU........because EU sucks :)) look whats going on presently in the EU......its a big joke :))) we dont need the EU.......and thats for sure :))) we dont need it to run after the EU anymore.........we will see it soon what will be happen with all EU countrys.....fuck EU !!!!!!

[memos2k]

@Mhenlomatras Iam living in Germany But iam a turk i dont want the fu.. eu -.-

so not every turk want the eu even if we live in the eu (because we are livin in the eu)

[Mhenlomatras]

@memos2k if you read what i wrote you wouldnt write what you wrote STUPID FUCK

i said TURKS in EUROPE want to JOIN

THe TURKS WHO LIVE IN TURKEY DONT!

amina kodumun cahil almancisi once oku sorna yorum yaz

[memos2k]

@Mhenlomatras almanci senin annan orusbu cocugu ... TURKS in EUROPE want to JOIN dedin peki almanya avrupa icinde degil mi ? buradaki türkler istemiyor türkiyenin avrupaya girmesini neyini yanlis anlamisim ? köyde ögrendigin ingilizceyle gelip burda bana kafa tutma götünü siktigim pici

[Mhenlomatras]

@memos2k korkma at siki ben senden cok cok iyi yasiyorum ve biliyorum, koydumun koylusu sensin yoksa anan baban almanyalara gitmezdi allah bilir fakir dogulu bir kirosun.

[memos2k]

@Mhenlomatras hahahha sen öyle san ozaman canim bide ingilizceyi ögren konusmadan önce senin gibi yarim akililar yüzünden avrupada türklerin imaji düsüyor ama sen anlamasin bunlardan sen devam cocukca sag sola sacma seyler yazip dur baska isin yok nasil olsa

[Mhenlomatras]

I AM TURK AND I SAY FUCK EUROPE..

europe will only benefit of us turks..

more then we will from them...

so fuck them... and i dont wanna be togather with greeks, slavic fuckkers german sticking bastards..

FUCK europe..

[crzTurk]

hahahahah:)haci bombalamissin baya guldum gzel cakmissin bravo..hahahah

[sparda700]

Recently? rofl, how delusional are you. We have a part of our country in Europe which is little but it still counts land wise. Secondly ever since the Ottoman empire we were always fighting in Europe, our trade, markets etc were all done in Europe. Not that I care anymore because Turkey >EU we are too strong by ourselves the stupid EU will be begging us to join them in the near future.

[sparda700]

ROFL, Turkiye doesn't need to join the EU, we are strong by ourselves. That's why America is sucking our dicks for money, and many European nations are scared of us. In the near future the EU will be begging us to join because of our strength in the world because as it is we are grower stronger in every aspect year by year.

[Celalizade]

watch?v=cCG6fWn5Ysk -->Turkish hero Sadik Adnan

[ballbreaker1900]

turks frim turkey are white! wikepedia white american and atleast in the good old usa we consider turks frio turkey white. also the british also consider the turks white wikepedia other white british. ive seen many tueks who had whiter skin then most southern italians or greeks. ive even seen many with blond hair or red hair. finally middle eastern is not a race white people from lebanon are middle eastern and black people from sudan are also middle so it not a race its a area of the world.

[ballbreaker1900]

. white race is what matters! would you reather have your daughter come home and say she is pregnant with a black(african niggers) baby or a white muslum turk or albanian baby at least the baby will be white thats all that matters. we dont care about relgion as much as skin collor becouse when a race war breaks out people dont stop to ask your relgion they see your skin collor and start shooting. the white people of the world come together if you live in a 65% white county you can join.

[macky111222]

muslims dont belong with europe.

[liceonur]

Why don't you claim that being muslim is all that matters? Some Europeans are still on the way of Hitler!

[bermudarailway]

95% of Turkey is in Asia so how can it join the E.U.?

[TurkishAD]

Cyprus has no land in EU at all. WHats that about then?

Plus Europe wants to start talks w/ Armenia as well...which doesnt have an inch of land in EU...

think twice..islam is the only reason

[bermudarailway]

Fair comment

[ArminRF]

Armenia is not in eu.

[macky111222]

cyprus has british sovereignty there are western soldiers there, that makes them an allie and to encourage that relationship they were invited to join eu besides cyprus (greek side) was always christian so the right wing were okay with it. besides if you have missle sites facing russia then theres no better place to be than cyprus right below russia. also may i point out that the turks fought with the axis germans but the greeks has the good sense to fight with the allies and with distinction.

[TurkishAD]

You are right; it is all about being Christian or Muslim, all about whites or blacks. There is always one race who thinks they are better than the other race. Look what Hitler did, same reasons; supreme race.

Is Turkey best country to live in world?No, but at least they are trying to, thats why seculars want Europe to help,otherwise Muslim conservatives will take over the country like they did to Iran.

No ones hands are clean.Each country committed something bad.But continuing to hate each

[TurkishAD]

other will never help to WORLD PEACE. lets have more conscious please. I am an American with Turkish heredity from my mom and German heritage from my dad.There are all kinds of people living in the U.S. Why some people dont get it; PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE....!!!

[DEVRIMCI2007]

If Turkey was A Christian country , EU will be liking Turkey balls like there is no tommorow.Only reason is Religion of Islam, it seems that Islam seems to be backward,the critics are right-wing who says these things.

[sokmener]

God you are stupid. Politics, is georgia in europe yes. is it further east than turkey yes. Then you decide

[Serafiniert]

and don´t judge sth you can´t ;)

[Serafiniert]

wtf is going on here? peeps i don´t see the point in dis each other!! there are different opinions. that´s it!

i´ve been to turkey many times and think it´s really more developed than some eastern europian countries! the turks there are much cooler and more open minded than the ones here! but we can´t decide if eu or not - so relax a lil

[wilsparky]

Turkey has borders with Syria and Iraq...how is that Europe? They aren't European...they are middle eastern muslims. We don't want muslims in Europe because for centuries they have attacked Europe. islam is the cause of massive conflict all over the earth....they even cause problems in China, Australia, New Zealand, America, Canada, Sweden, Britain, Russia, Argentina, France, Spain, Italy....the list goes on and on. I'm sick of stupid people who can't see an enemy when it is obvious.

[mrshutter77]

Turkey has a labor force you fucks needs and an Army you fucks needs, and there is more Violence in the Bible than int he Quran. The Rawanadan Genocide was adirect result of Beligan colonialism, and genocides that Belgien carried out there. You people are canabalists.

[wilsparky]

The Belgians haven't been in Rwanda for years you fool. How are African muslims doing what Belgium wants? You are just a racist bigot. Your arguments are pathetic and wrong. Grow up.

[mrshutter77]

You need to grow up, a nd your racist ass can´t inform yourself, the beligans created the ddivision that existed in Rwanada while carrying out genocides and robbing the country of its recources, and creating this division. You need to fgrow you typicakl northern European Nazi ass up! Your worst that a typical stupid american

[wilsparky]

Ok I agree, you are right. Colonialism is a bad idea. If it is bad for Europeans to colonise other nations then it is bad for other nations to try to colonise European nations too. So I will agree that no one should go to anyone elses country without consent of the native population. Turks don't have our consent so they can stay where they are and leave us alone. Incidentally, are you an ethnic Indian from South America? Or are you a Spanish colonialist? Or are you an African with a racist hate?

[mrshutter77]

Whether you like it or not, your living in a more intergrated world, and you can{t have free trade and globalization without migration! It is what it is.

[wilsparky]

Oh so if you decide that I must accept foreingers in my country then I have to accept it? So, you are the colonialist.

We can trade without having foreigners living in our land. If they come without the consent of the people, they are invaders and will be treated like invaders....whether you like it or not. This is MY country not yours. I didn't steal it from anyone. I never went anywhere except for a holiday. You keep Venezuela and I will keep Britain OK?

[oruc66]

Wilsparky, you talk to much...watch your mouth bastard

[wilsparky]

oruc66: you missed one 6 from your number

It should be oruc 666....

Are you trying to threaten me?

Keep out of my land you foreig infidel. We don't want you here and we don't need you here. Idiot.

[oruc66]

wilsparky

I told you, do not talk to much idiot...

so you know what 666 is ? be careful then bastard...

[wilsparky]

I am careful. And I am free to speak my mind also. Don't threaten me sonny boy. You aren't big or clever enough.

[oruc66]

hey,wilsparky, where have you been dick-headed? i missed you. do not thing that i neglect you, i'm watching you and your fucking ideas....

[wilsparky]

You are a fucking idiot. Don't send any more messages to me unless you don't mind the whole world seeing how stupid and illinformed you are.

[mrshutter77]

I think the world has seen what stupuid idot fuck you really are, and what a fool you really are. You racist bastard.

[wilsparky]

OK let's have Americans coming to Venezuela in their millions. I will come to Venezuela with my family and invite more Europeans to go too. How do you feel about that? Lets invite the Chinese to migrate to your country too eh? Whether you like it or not. After all, it is a globalized world and you do trade with China don't you.....see, your arguments don't look so nice when I apply them to you. I'm sure Mr.Chavez wouldn't like it. You communist bitch.

[ltsgt1]

I'm glad someone in Europe finally get it. The Muslims are going to colonize Europe and take over within 10-20 years if nothing is done to stop them.

[mrshutter77]

Actaully, Americans are coming to venezuela and investing in Tourism, in fact we have tons of Chinese investing here, not just in restuarants and grocery stores and convientent stores but also in infrustructure. We embrace our immigrants becuase we know in the end, venezuelans came from somewhere before, with the exception of the Indian venezuelans living south fo the country.

[mrshutter77]

Many Europeans do too! Obviously you guys are just as KOO KOO about Americans and their attitude towards the mexicans. You want to keep your door closed to Turkey or other people becuase you don't like their religion or the food they eat the color of their skin, good luck trying to find aging Europeans and arrogant spoiled young europeans trying to do the hard jobs!

[wilsparky]

Don't come into EU Turkey. We don't want you. We don't trust you. Our politicians have no right to tell you that you are welcome because you are NOT welcome. Nothing personal, its your religion....it doesn't belong in Europe. You stole Constantinople and desecrated the great church there. Don't come into Europe. Stay where you are.

[mrshutter77]

Typical European Nazi! A racist bigotted Xenophone and a Islamophobe! For Liberal racists like you the world must embrace Homosexuals and Lesbains and lower the legal age of consent to 13, and legalize gay marraige, and hate heterosexual men who provide for their families! That is your ideal world. You got your stuff all mixed up becuase you continent excluding EPS-ITA-GRE-POR is one of the most depressed like north america.

[wilsparky]

If you remember Turkey fought on the side on Nazi Germany. My family fought against them. I am a heterosexual man who doesn't hate homosexuals nor do I hate Turks. I want my own land for my own people. If you don't accept it then fuck you. This is Europe and we don't want islamic savages in here. Muslims are the nazis of the world and we all know it. I have only one word to say to you: Armenia.

[mrshutter77]

Wel I got many for Europeans: The Holocuast, Slavery, Vietnam war, the Sinai pennisula wars, Afghanistan countless times, Iraq, infecting people with AIDS ine the congo, the Opium wars, I can go on and on and bout who savage and racists you fuckin Northern europeans are. Turkey never fought on the side of Nazi germany, and please prove to me what happened in Armenia was a genocide, the facts are there was fighting and both sides lost lives.

[wilsparky]

mrshutter: you are wrong. Turkey was an allie of the Nazis...they murdered more than a million Armenian Christians. They invaded the Balkans for hundreds of years. The Ottomans invaded Spain for hundreds of years. Isalm is a violent ideology and if you want to talk about slaughter, look at the Aztecs and Incas who murdered thousands upon thousands of people every day on their alters to their Sun god. Look at the Rwandan massacres. The Congolese murders. The Sudanese genocide in Darfur. Blind?

[mrshutter77]

No, Spniash sluaghter was worst, in WWII turkey was not an ally of the NAZIS, Muslims brought sicience and culture and music and art to spain, Spnaish inquisition, the genicide of spanish people in the americas, the genocide of eurpepans and insitigating deferences between people so you can carry out you genocides by proxy! And the english and germans have always been the worst and the blood and people of color in your hands.

[MrDamando]

Find out who the Young Turks where and you will find out they were ottomans not Turkish(legally) and the ethnicity was Armenian, Jewish, Turkish, Greek and Slavic. A genocide would have to be the systematic and intentional massacre of a whole people which the forced marches ordered by the young turks were not. The young "turks" would have had to turn on some of their own members. They had a problem with some Armenian bolshevik community who had been given weapons by the Russian.

[wilsparky]

Turkey murdered 1.5 million Armenian Christian men, women and children.

FACT.

We all know it.

[jcbc4u]

wilsparky Fucking liar!

[Turkish07]

good for turkey fuck you

[myaser88]

jewish is not a race you muppet.

[LittleHipHop]

oh im sure a real armenian christ will forgive them,if its true what youre telling.

they are christ ha? so jesus want to love your neighbour as yourself do unto others what you would want them to do.ah,and love your enemy if i understand the bible storie right.so what a armenian christ have to do?believe this parables just as a spiritual enjoyment? or start to fight? you didnt tell anthing baut the churchs political influence,

no telling how many people have died as their ideology.forget?

[MrDamando]

Thats a lie turkey did not fight in world war II but it supplied assistance to the allies not the Nazis.

[amasra56]

Turkey did not fight on the side of Nazi Germany...I think you mixed the dates and the wars...You are not only ignorant about the facts but also full of hatred without foundation. You need to educate yourself...

[oruc66]

wait bastard, we'll kick and fuck your ass

[88a]

I am from PAKISTAN and Loved Turkeys Win in EURO 2008!

I was ffor first time being emotional on Turkey win over Crotia the only muslim country in Europe! Go Turkey!

[highflyer]

only 3% of turkey is in europe....

[EdyPegasus]

Yes Turkey is both in Asia and Europe but EU is just a union so they can and may join the EU.

[theysayyouwanta]

I thought the secular supporters didn't want anything to do with the EU???

[OzuKardozi]

Germany 3-2 Turkey. Philipp Lahm nailed the Turks.

[dragun39]

Turkey is not in Europe, so why is this even an issue?

[theysayyouwanta]

Turkey IS in Europe ...and Asia

[dragun39]

anything south of the caucasus, black sea, etc, is NOT traditionally considered part of europe

[dragun39]

Ok never mind, I was wrong...had to check my facts again. It's sitting right in the middle of it all, so its hard to say. You're right

[theysayyouwanta]

ok thank you....and stop lying....you do not live in Antartica...(did I spell that right? )

[aceone1988]

to all my muslims brother out there forget about the EU and the UN we should have our own organization called UMN United Muslim Nations we must be one uma

[ummatuArRasool]

Allahu Akbar!

[88a]

I am from PAKISTAN and Loved Turkeys Win in EURO 2008!

I was ffor first time being emotional on Turkey win over Crotia the only muslim country in Europe! Go Turkey!

[ACTORnSCREENWRITER]

Its not the only Muslim country in Europe

[88a]

Actor: What I meant was the only muslim country in Euro 2008!

[enemyoficce]

black or white or any ethnic you can not define color due to a societies name that black is black because we named black NO RACE ONE GOD :)OF COURSE WE ARE ALL OUR OWN MASTERS there for there is ignorance no holly wars

[u129313]

Go Turkey till the end! Sounds weird but lots of greeks support your effort!!

[uchoo786]

wow no way! i had a greek cyriot friend who hated turkey! nice, atleast now people are moving forward towards peace and forgetting this old mentality :)

[wb678]

EU=Club of Christians

They aren't tolerant towards non-Christians.

[enemyoficce]

black or white or any ethnic you can not define color due to a societies name that black is black because we named black NO RACE ONE GOD :)OF COURSE WE ARE ALL OUR OWN MASTERS there for there is ignorance no holly wars

[kedordu]

why is it surprising that turkey is kicking ass ? they were brazils most formidable opponent in the 2002 world cup and were clearly the second best team in those games ahead of the runners up germany. that brazilian team was the best this century in football yes i said it .