Listen to students: Nottingham City Council, Article Four and the LAPP

[sam350999]

Do students actually go to University or just cry about how unfair their lives are?

[MrSuperjevans]

despite the fact that we don't pay council tax, the population of students in Lenton does nothing but prosper the area. How many of the local take-away restaurants or the corner shops, local businesses ran by local people, would survive if the student population of Lenton was to diminish? Not only would the students suffer from this, but the local business people, to whom students are the most lucrative. Students have a right to be heard, which is why I am 100% against this.

[LightaxL]

Fuck it, lets riot

[itstompo2009]

Seal the Deal

[MissLathwood]

Students are exempt from paying council tax and therefore the proliferation of student housing in Lenton means that the council is losing out on a potentially lucrative area. By moving students in to purpose built high rise accommodation it decreases the area inhabited by students thus freeing up housing for those who are not exempt from paying council tax - this has nothing to do with who or has not got the right to live in Lenton, what it all boils down to, as most things do, is money. 

[itstompo2009]

@MissLathwood Surely offer the high rise accommodation to other/new people (e.g. first time buyers) instead of moving students out of their communities?

[dusqi]

@MissLathwood The central government pays the local council the equivalent of council tax on behalf of those who are exempt. The parking charges just for students are about money (£70 for a student parking permit vs. £0 for a residents' permit) - this proposal is just about not liking students.

[MissLathwood]

@dusqi Exactly, what would be better than the central government having to dish out more money to the local council which have to, by law, provide a certain amount of services to the local community i.e. bin collection police etc all in order to subsidize student living? Well, what would be better for the government, who have a serious deficit to manage, would be to move students into high rise accommodation and move people in who do have to pay council tax so they no longer have to subsidize.

[MissLathwood]

@dusqi Local or central, its still the government who ends up having to pay for these statutory services if the students live in lenton. By the way, I am not pro moving students in to some hideous apartment block, I am very much against, I just don't believe it's some anti-student initiative.

[HorrorShow100]

@MissLathwood This folks. Listen to this and stop crying your eyes out..

[TURNIPSLOP]

So essentially they want to put us into segregated student ghettos without giving us a choice? What can we do to resist?

[rrrobint]

The council lot really have got their heads in the clouds. They should come down to Albert Grove for a few hours and take notice of how much more noise is the cause of permanent residents as opposed to students. We're not the ones who are consistently revving the engines of our clapped out old bangers in a vain effort to get the rusty engines to start...

[dusqi]

This video says that the council has decided to charge students but not local residents for parking permits. Can you link me to some information that says this decision has actually been voted on (not just proposed).

[CaptainProton100]

I live in Dunkirk on a street that is mostly HMOs and a good portion of those are student houses. We've never had a problem with noise or parties or drunken students vomiting all over the street or any other 'typical' student caused problems. So because of this I and all the other students on the street should be moves into more expensive purpose built accommodation?

[pipjr1]

Nice video ladies. You must realise however that some Councillors running this city are themselves functionally illiterate, and so can't even begin to realise the benefits that higher education (and students) can bring to society as a whole. It's no accident that Nottingham is around 140th out of 145 English local authorities in gaining 'good' GCSE grades at school. Sadly, you missed your chance to vote in more 'student friendly' Councillors last May. Make this a priority in May 2015!

[nart1s]

How many of the students in this video voted for the Green, Lib Dem, and Labour parties in the local election? They all campaigned for, and openly supported, these policies.

The Conservatives were the only party to campaign against both the parking charges, and the pushing out of students from residential areas in the local election in May. Yet the, overwhelmingly student, population in Lenton & Dunkirk voted for Labour. Labour now completely control the council with a huge number of councillors

[joerules24]

How many students in Nottingham ? How many votes can the council afford to lose ?

[cymode]

The ONLY disturbance I encountered since I moved in at my current house were Locals. They were drunk, they were high, and they were blasting music from their car at 2am in the morning! - Nottingham does not have a problem with students, it's with uneducated people like these lot! - Rather than sending students off into flats, send these people to school and fix your long run issues!

[xSnowAngel18]

Imagine if they tried to put all 65+ into purpose built accommodation; there would be uproar. What makes trying to put students someone they don't want to be any different? It's discrimination. We are paying good money to be at this university in this city and we should have the choice where to live. If they don't want sudents around... why have 2 uni's in the city? Also, on a slightly more personal note... i'm afraid of heights, so living in high-rise accommodation is my worst nightmare.

[RaNdoMLiFe91]

I'd like to see Nottingham function without it's student population!

[MrSadmore]

@RaNdoMLiFe91 if you had a degree you would probably have known that you needed to use 'its', not 'it's', when discussing the student population... students have the same rights to the city and the next time you go to the Doctors remember that he/she got a degree from a university much like the one you are trying to segregate...

[presidiun]

I don't know if anyone from student's union monitors this channel but what does the law say on the subject and what does the European Union directives say on the subject.

[jamesadfowkes]

Ghettos spring to mind.

[p1ckersgill]

Imagine if they did this with any other minority group, be it ethnic, religious or diabled. It would be clearly unacceptable and illegal. Why is targetting and discriminating against students any more ethical?

[kuvitteellinen]

I barely even know any students who throw disruptive parties; everyone's either working to earn money to keep them out of their overdraft or busy doing coursework. If I can afford to pay my rent, I have the same right to live where I do as the long-term residents. And we can't afford to pay £110 per week. The council is being absolutely ridiculous by not listening to us.

[willmjamesable]

where do we vote no?!

[Hiscocksak]

With regard to the cost of living and transport it is not the council's responsibility to support you because of rising tuition fees (but how conveniently you forget the subsidised bus services).

You are not demanding choice, you already have choice. You are simply demanding that you get what you want.

[stephizzal]

@Hiscocksak and furthermore, whilst you almost have a point regarding non-students wishing to live in lento etc, housing arrangements simply aren't fair due to demand in certain areas. If my job was in a posh area, should I complain that the rich people are bumping up the property prices so much I can't live there? If I wanted to live next to a school, should I complain that housing is limited because of the competition to live in the catchment area? Supply and demand will always win.

[Hiscocksak]

@stephizzal Almost? Thanks, you're so gracious :D What can I do to achieve entire pointness?

[Hiscocksak]

And it is just a minor change - The University's propaganda machine may wish to paint this as a grand anti-student pogrom but the fact is that where planning permission had to be sought to convert a family dwelling into an HMO of more than 6 people the figure will be amended to 3. (cont.)

[Hiscocksak]

In addition to mature students Nottingham residents who wish to live in these areas (for example those who work on the Lenton Lane industrial estate) also have few chances of finding a suitable property.

This is not segregation or an attack on the student body. Article 4 direction is reactive NOT proactive. Houses that were HMOs will remain so. To compare minor changes in planning law with racism is disgusting. Get over yourselves. (cont.)

[stephizzal]

@Hiscocksak I think it is you who should get over yourself. I am 25 years old, a postgraduate. I moved this year from a private flat in Birmingham to Nottingham. Student accommodation here is a JOKE: over the last 2 months, the accommodation provider has taken £2000 from the £2200 stipend I received in that time- a situation that wouldn't happen in a private flat. I would like to see you live on £100 per month when you have bills to pay. I guess you think we all have rich parents to sponge off.

[Hiscocksak]

@stephizzal Getting over yourself was specifically with reference to the comparison of the student "plight" to racism.

Private residents get ripped off by landlords too. Your personal circumstances are completely irrelevant to these issues.

Ignoring your prejudice about my motives...I think all individuals should take responsibility for themselves. This campaign is nothing more than a complaint about the modification of existing privileges. Why should there be housing to benefit students at all?

[stephizzal]

@Hiscocksak well you seemed to be okay with personal circumstances when they suited your agenda, even if you weren't as explicit about it. But ok, since you owe nothing to students and thus the future, when you do come to sell your house, be sure to do all your conveyancing yourself. And don't get sick, cuz then you'll need a doctor. And don't complain when science cannot meet the needs of the future. Because all these things depend on degrees. The current trend for selfishness is short sighted.

[Hiscocksak]

By simplifying the argument into long-term residents vs students you are as guilty as you claim the council are of failing to account for diversity. Mature students who have long term partners and/or children (and therefore do not wish to live in HMOs) have very limited options to live close to the University in areas you admit are "high concentrations" of HMOs. (cont.)

[LadyDancer55]

Although I am an International student and am paying more than £10,000 for an academic year, I am so with you on this, because I don't agree with what the council is trying to do. And what you have mentioned is very true and positive. They are doing it just as an excuse to gain more money to fund the council and the council are doing nothing to solve their own internal problems. I know this because my boyfriend works in the council and let me tell you, the management don't know what they're doin

[hands2101]

How about they put through a plan to move all the Civil Serivice sector into arranged housing? Or how's about moving all single parents into another housing complex?

It's all bullshit, and i hate human rights because it creates so much red tape, but surely we deserve the right to live where we want? Are we not protected by our human rights?

[stephizzal]

Sweeping us under the rug so that just so that people can sell their houses more easily?! They wouldn't even be allowed to do that to criminals!

Also, how can homeowners truly consider themselves penalised, when half of us students now won't even be able to *buy* a house until we're in our 40's? My heart bleeds for them, truly. Oh well, I'm sure when the houses are rented by DSS chavs they'll be begging for the students back.

[elliotrules555]

I simply cant understand how these proposals are legal? Surely this is clear discrimination against a single group of people which is clearly wrong. If the council came out and said all people over 65 had to move into purpose built accommodation for what ever reason there'd be uproar and I don't see how this is any different.

[surfinmunkay]

@popasmurfaudley so by moving us elsewhere....another area of the city will be a ghost town in holidays? it's not changing anything, just moving the location.

[gowiththefro11]

Great video! What the council are trying to do is absolutely outrageous. Outright discrimination that would not be even remotely acceptable if it were applied to any other social group. In essence this is social engineering and I can't understand why Nottingham City Council would ever choose to entertain this as a concept. The positives being championed by NAG are idealistic and presumptuous and the negative repercussions for all Nottingham students would be far reaching and destructive.