I want to know why do scientists alway portray a black hole as a flat disc turned on its edge facing us. Wouldn't a black hole be shaped like every other particle of mass known to us ? Wouldn't it be more of a sphere that is shrinking and drawing in space fabric, in other words, shrinking into infinite smallness? If the blackhole is a disc shape with vortex, what is holding the form together at the vortex tunnel ?
@BrisbaneBolters Thats tru but, when one thing is changed from the past...One crucial thing, who knows i could have not been here typing this comment. Im just saying if we did time travel sometime in the future, do you want to change the things that has already occured? In the other hand, we might HAVE to change something so whats happening know...can happen....bare with me im trying as hard as i can to explain :)
• SandustanBrasov But the ETHER is a physical reality constituted from a very small matter, invisible for human eye, and is formed from atoms more small with 7...8 order of dimension than the atoms of the chemical elements. The matter of the ether penetrate in all the visible bodies and is the physical matter which fills both the interplanetary space and the interatomic space. The ether is a matter with mass and weigth, being subdued and she the action of the universal attraction law.
It popularize the fantastical theories and stantardized theories with which it terrorize the inhabitants the Earth, after what Einstein with relativity theory had blocked the science of the century XX. Sptephen Hawking and roger Penrose had demonstrated in 1967 that the black holes proceed from the relativity theory.How it can conceive and it can say that the heart of the one black hole is a gravitational singularity whose volume tend to zero and whose mass tend to infinite?
The notion of dark matter and dark energy proceed from theoretical physics, from relativity theory of the A. Einstein, from the mistaken interpretation of the physical reality. Something exist indeed: and matter and energy; but is the much ethereal matter and the her energys from the her frame. Dark energy and cosmic acceleration are a failure of relativity of the Einstein.
• SandustanBrasov In 1905, A.Einstein conclude that the ether hasn't a correspondent in reality and constitute not a medium which let can serve as reference system. Thus Einstein renounced to the ether notion and absolute space and emits the two restricted relativity principles. By it content the second principle excludes the ether, impose as limit of bodies' movement - the light speed - and denatured completely the classic dynamics reality.
@BrisbaneBolters because the most realistic form of timetravel is with a machine not a black hole, themachine is being made but say if u put the machine on and left it on 100 years it can only go back 100 years. it can only go back at far as it has been developed and it is essential to have it on at all times never turning off.
But the big bang theory is most likely wrong so how could the strings exist, and even if they did, wouldn't they gravity of them make them impossible for humans to use?
@BrisbaneBolters they might not have. because imagine. your born at year 1 and your at year 20 and go to year -20 maybe, you would go to a time your not born yet. you might not exist. its my theory that is.
Maybe there are people from the future here, but they can't say anything or they will die, because they change their own possibility to exist by changing his past. That can be a rule.
Maybe there are people from the future, but they can't say anything anything or they die for excample, because they changed their own possibility to exist. That can be a rule.
@BrisbaneBolters Or maybe it is impossible to actually travel in time... Because... After one minute passes on that one day of that year, it is over and will never come back. It would be a very big big deal if a Humankind does visit us.
incontinuation of callowaymotercompany i think it's possible that the first people to time travel were so advanced that they were able to deter nih eradicate any time travel that may disturb the geniuine time continuem
don't you just love it when people, seemingly, without a fair knowledge of A-level let alone degree+ level attempt to engage in a debate but end up not even being relevant to the video. (mainly lol at dudemanguy3333)
We still haven't discovered all light in existence. For all we know the black hole operates at frequencies so finite and dense that what happens to light is analogous to what happens to life at ground zero of a nuclear weapon. Vaporization. Chemistryctally speaking, when it comes to a black hole all forms of matter we currently have knowledge of becomes, "soluble". It's not that light can't escape... it just dissolves in it. Yeah, that's it. Now if I could only use math to prove it.-AAN
I read your theory and the reason I think its flawed is the theory that it would be white like. The way light works is that it is either reflected or generated. Because a black hole does not do either with light, there is no reason it would give any off. Therefore, it becomes very literally pitch black. Now I could be wrong, and very likely am now that I think of it and it COULD generate light with its immense amount of energy, but its gravity would absorb it instantly. Either way, it's black.
Well what i was talking about is that once the light gets close, but just outside of the event-horizon, it gets a slingshot effect, amplifying it and boosting the ghz making it appear white,
Wow. what you said made no sense..No, its not dark matter, its a large amount of matter with the gravity to suck in light. Im not trying to be rude but did you even understand what i was talking about? Im talking about the gravity slingshot effect applied to light in orbit around the hole .
Its basically like if the sun's gravity was much stronger, the light and heat released, wouldn't actually be released because the intense gravity is pulling it back towards the sun, trapping in it in close orbit, and since the light waves aren't being released, it will appear black.
The expansion of the universe is a real mystery, a common belief is that anti-gravity is behind it, when 2 masses get a certain distance apart, they begin to repel eachother, but really who knows, you may be right:)
Yes, i know what your talking about, i wrote this a long while ago ive realized my mistake but decided to put this out there anyway. your right in some places exept that black holes are not stars, in any way. Theres no fission hoing on so its basicly a large mass of unknown. On an unrelated note, what do you think of the big bang? Do you believe it? just curious.
I know black holes aren't stars, but the spherical similarity and the fact that black holes are the final stage of some types of stars, was a kind of analogy more then anything else.
Early images of the universe suggest it immerged from an immense burst of energy, so I do believe there was a "big bang", but I believe we are just one expanding universe in a infinite multiverse. I really have no science to back up that belief though. :o
Well no, it just shows that everything is evenly spread out which means a gradual release of energy, but thats somewhat new. I always found it kind of idiotic to teach kids to believe that everything just exploded out of nothing, with nothing to back the theory up. Im a scientific guy, but i kind of belive that theres a bigger picture out there, something conscious out there, i mean it all had to come from somewhere. I think humans just have a need to solve mysteries.
Thats now what i meant. What i meant was that its so much more logical to belive that a god made everyhting and expanded it than it is than a mystery particle that always existed suddenly explodes into everything there is was and ever will be faster than time itself especially when its not even known it its true for sure I.E. big bang THEORY.
The early images of the universe suggest it originated from a single point of infinite density. I don't really believe that. The distance between objects in the universe is accelerating still, something that scientists were not anticipating. At the outskirts of our visible universe, objects are moving away from eachother faster then the speed of light. But where this expansion is acquiring its energy from, noone knows.
A few things wrong with your theory, if the light orbits the black hole, it wouldnt be able to reach us, so we wouldnt know it was there. But holes have proven to be spherical like a star or planet, but with immensely dense mass that they're gravity prevents light from leaving it, except when its "feeding" its releases Gamma ray light from its poles. They don't appear to be "whirlpools" that transport things to other places, they are simply stars that are unable to release light :D
I see what you mean, but hey, theres not much proof for anything else either. Heck, even if im wrong, im pretty proud of coming up with this all by myself.
Okay I'm 14 years old, don't flip on me. I'm interested in Black Holes, Worm holes, ect.
Well i don't understand like what space time is. how can a gravity hole black hole thing put an object somewhere else so much faster than a straight line....(fold space in half yatta yatta yatta) explain to me in baby words please just basics. I know Black holes are dead stars and what dark matter is.
that's the point: Imagine something with SOOOO much gravity that it distorts EVERYTHING. Like heat warping a record or CD. Imagine the CD/record was warped so much that the start of the album was right next to the ending so that you could hear 2 parts of the same song simultaneously. You'd be hearing the middle of the song before u even heard the beginning. This is how you can come back in the yellow car before u left.
The mass of a black hole is so intense that it can bend, distort and spin spacetime because of gravity. The strings the he talks about also have an enormous gravitational field which should be able to bend space like it was paper(watch the movie Even Horizon), and make a distance shorter than it actually is.
well the reason they say they'd be traveling back in time is because at the point that the space time fabric is bent, the 'straight line' is what you travel on, the much longer bent line is what light travels on
Actually, you go back in time if you pass lightspeed because your catching up toand passing the light that already passed you. At lightspeed time would stop, at 1mph past light speed you would move back in time one hour for every mile forward at that speed. Is what your trying to describe a wormhole?
I'm not disagreeing.. But I thought we only had theories about what light actually was. I have heard things about light being photons but as far as that being true, I've not heard proof
We would see the light hitting the matter orbiting the black hole. It would be more or less like shining a laser pointer through smoke. By the way, the visable spectrum of light does have colour. But let me expain. In the immense gravity of a black hole, the light would sped up to its top speed, making it appear white. But youve given me an idea. The light orbiting the black hole, not too close that it would not be seen, would be orbititg, getting faster and faster, refracting off the matter.
Also,light goes straight without gravity interferance. So once the light was out if the gravity's range, it would continue not how it started, but where it is then. If gravity lensing is said to work by another principle, as you read. Now, I think that light comes in, if its too close, it orbits faster and faster. farther, it gets shot off by the rotation. Farther than that and it gets thrown in another direction.
Actually, light is both a particle and a wave, a sort of cross between it, so gravty would affect the particles, if I am not incorrect in that particles are affected by gravity.
@callowaymotorcompany My point is that if light is affected by gravity, then it could and ought to be sucked into a black hole so none of it reaches our eye receptors. In other words, if light is a particle, then it may not be able to escape a black hole's grasp.Therefore, no light gets out.
You kind of missed the point of the whole theory...what im saying is that what happens to matter around a black hole should happen to light as well I.E. the accelerated, swirling mass of matter.
Also, the black hole would appear as an intense white dot, when looked at by the eye, and would give off powarful x-rays, as it does now. The x-rays are from the moderately close light being thrown out of the hole from the near (or past) light speed orbiting. As of yet, its only proven to give off x-rays.
hi.. with regards on why black holes are black and not white as you claim they ought to have been, assuming the role gravity plays, i would like to say this......
we 'see' an object in the following process:-
(1) light from around hits the object.
(2) reflects from it.
(3) reaches our eyes
(4) our brain interprets it.blah, blah, blah... BUT in the case of a black hole, the very first step is never completed!!!!
I want to know why do scientists alway portray a black hole as a flat disc turned on its edge facing us. Wouldn't a black hole be shaped like every other particle of mass known to us ? Wouldn't it be more of a sphere that is shrinking and drawing in space fabric, in other words, shrinking into infinite smallness? If the blackhole is a disc shape with vortex, what is holding the form together at the vortex tunnel ?
jf99151 1 month ago
@BrisbaneBolters Thats tru but, when one thing is changed from the past...One crucial thing, who knows i could have not been here typing this comment. Im just saying if we did time travel sometime in the future, do you want to change the things that has already occured? In the other hand, we might HAVE to change something so whats happening know...can happen....bare with me im trying as hard as i can to explain :)
Awesome4565436 4 months ago
@callowaymotorcompany true
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• SandustanBrasov But the ETHER is a physical reality constituted from a very small matter, invisible for human eye, and is formed from atoms more small with 7...8 order of dimension than the atoms of the chemical elements. The matter of the ether penetrate in all the visible bodies and is the physical matter which fills both the interplanetary space and the interatomic space. The ether is a matter with mass and weigth, being subdued and she the action of the universal attraction law.
sandustanBrasov 7 months ago
• SandustanBrasov
It popularize the fantastical theories and stantardized theories with which it terrorize the inhabitants the Earth, after what Einstein with relativity theory had blocked the science of the century XX. Sptephen Hawking and roger Penrose had demonstrated in 1967 that the black holes proceed from the relativity theory.How it can conceive and it can say that the heart of the one black hole is a gravitational singularity whose volume tend to zero and whose mass tend to infinite?
sandustanBrasov 7 months ago
• SandustanBrasov
The notion of dark matter and dark energy proceed from theoretical physics, from relativity theory of the A. Einstein, from the mistaken interpretation of the physical reality. Something exist indeed: and matter and energy; but is the much ethereal matter and the her energys from the her frame. Dark energy and cosmic acceleration are a failure of relativity of the Einstein.
sandustanBrasov 7 months ago
• SandustanBrasov In 1905, A.Einstein conclude that the ether hasn't a correspondent in reality and constitute not a medium which let can serve as reference system. Thus Einstein renounced to the ether notion and absolute space and emits the two restricted relativity principles. By it content the second principle excludes the ether, impose as limit of bodies' movement - the light speed - and denatured completely the classic dynamics reality.
sandustanBrasov 7 months ago
@BrisbaneBolters because the most realistic form of timetravel is with a machine not a black hole, themachine is being made but say if u put the machine on and left it on 100 years it can only go back 100 years. it can only go back at far as it has been developed and it is essential to have it on at all times never turning off.
matt517472 10 months ago
@BrisbaneBolters you've seen the shows...somthing about a black hole coming to earth......
luke5218 10 months ago
But the big bang theory is most likely wrong so how could the strings exist, and even if they did, wouldn't they gravity of them make them impossible for humans to use?
Jbinkley79 1 year ago
@BrisbaneBolters they might not have. because imagine. your born at year 1 and your at year 20 and go to year -20 maybe, you would go to a time your not born yet. you might not exist. its my theory that is.
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@BrisbaneBolters
Maybe there are people from the future here, but they can't say anything or they will die, because they change their own possibility to exist by changing his past. That can be a rule.
Maartenn100 1 year ago
Maybe there are people from the future, but they can't say anything anything or they die for excample, because they changed their own possibility to exist. That can be a rule.
Maartenn100 1 year ago
@BrisbaneBolters Or maybe it is impossible to actually travel in time... Because... After one minute passes on that one day of that year, it is over and will never come back. It would be a very big big deal if a Humankind does visit us.
caneytaneywaney5 1 year ago
incontinuation of callowaymotercompany i think it's possible that the first people to time travel were so advanced that they were able to deter nih eradicate any time travel that may disturb the geniuine time continuem
noblescott 1 year ago
don't you just love it when people, seemingly, without a fair knowledge of A-level let alone degree+ level attempt to engage in a debate but end up not even being relevant to the video. (mainly lol at dudemanguy3333)
Mcjammi 1 year ago
We still haven't discovered all light in existence. For all we know the black hole operates at frequencies so finite and dense that what happens to light is analogous to what happens to life at ground zero of a nuclear weapon. Vaporization. Chemistryctally speaking, when it comes to a black hole all forms of matter we currently have knowledge of becomes, "soluble". It's not that light can't escape... it just dissolves in it. Yeah, that's it. Now if I could only use math to prove it.-AAN
addadhdnarc 2 years ago
I think that black holes are like trying to do a new big bang by eating all around them to explode again like the Big Bang did
bengacris 2 years ago
I read your theory and the reason I think its flawed is the theory that it would be white like. The way light works is that it is either reflected or generated. Because a black hole does not do either with light, there is no reason it would give any off. Therefore, it becomes very literally pitch black. Now I could be wrong, and very likely am now that I think of it and it COULD generate light with its immense amount of energy, but its gravity would absorb it instantly. Either way, it's black.
Wheatspin 2 years ago
Well what i was talking about is that once the light gets close, but just outside of the event-horizon, it gets a slingshot effect, amplifying it and boosting the ghz making it appear white,
callowaymotorcompany 2 years ago
it's easy.its a black hole.its DARK matter black is the absence of light. therefore there is no light or they would be white holes.
ericlischinsky 2 years ago
Wow. what you said made no sense..No, its not dark matter, its a large amount of matter with the gravity to suck in light. Im not trying to be rude but did you even understand what i was talking about? Im talking about the gravity slingshot effect applied to light in orbit around the hole .
callowaymotorcompany 2 years ago
Its basically like if the sun's gravity was much stronger, the light and heat released, wouldn't actually be released because the intense gravity is pulling it back towards the sun, trapping in it in close orbit, and since the light waves aren't being released, it will appear black.
The expansion of the universe is a real mystery, a common belief is that anti-gravity is behind it, when 2 masses get a certain distance apart, they begin to repel eachother, but really who knows, you may be right:)
diademonster 2 years ago
Yes, i know what your talking about, i wrote this a long while ago ive realized my mistake but decided to put this out there anyway. your right in some places exept that black holes are not stars, in any way. Theres no fission hoing on so its basicly a large mass of unknown. On an unrelated note, what do you think of the big bang? Do you believe it? just curious.
callowaymotorcompany 2 years ago
I know black holes aren't stars, but the spherical similarity and the fact that black holes are the final stage of some types of stars, was a kind of analogy more then anything else.
Early images of the universe suggest it immerged from an immense burst of energy, so I do believe there was a "big bang", but I believe we are just one expanding universe in a infinite multiverse. I really have no science to back up that belief though. :o
diademonster 2 years ago
Well no, it just shows that everything is evenly spread out which means a gradual release of energy, but thats somewhat new. I always found it kind of idiotic to teach kids to believe that everything just exploded out of nothing, with nothing to back the theory up. Im a scientific guy, but i kind of belive that theres a bigger picture out there, something conscious out there, i mean it all had to come from somewhere. I think humans just have a need to solve mysteries.
callowaymotorcompany 2 years ago
the big bang theory is heavily substanciated with evidence and is by no means out of nothing.
simply stated it claims that all of existence was once in a singularity that began to expand.
justinatorator 2 years ago
Thats now what i meant. What i meant was that its so much more logical to belive that a god made everyhting and expanded it than it is than a mystery particle that always existed suddenly explodes into everything there is was and ever will be faster than time itself especially when its not even known it its true for sure I.E. big bang THEORY.
callowaymotorcompany 2 years ago
The early images of the universe suggest it originated from a single point of infinite density. I don't really believe that. The distance between objects in the universe is accelerating still, something that scientists were not anticipating. At the outskirts of our visible universe, objects are moving away from eachother faster then the speed of light. But where this expansion is acquiring its energy from, noone knows.
diademonster 2 years ago
A few things wrong with your theory, if the light orbits the black hole, it wouldnt be able to reach us, so we wouldnt know it was there. But holes have proven to be spherical like a star or planet, but with immensely dense mass that they're gravity prevents light from leaving it, except when its "feeding" its releases Gamma ray light from its poles. They don't appear to be "whirlpools" that transport things to other places, they are simply stars that are unable to release light :D
diademonster 2 years ago
We have the theory, but the evidence has yet to show up at all....
1337ShadowChaos 2 years ago
I see what you mean, but hey, theres not much proof for anything else either. Heck, even if im wrong, im pretty proud of coming up with this all by myself.
callowaymotorcompany 2 years ago
Hypothesis, not theory (at least if we're talking about the same thing here).
Aaberg123 2 years ago
Okay I'm 14 years old, don't flip on me. I'm interested in Black Holes, Worm holes, ect.
Well i don't understand like what space time is. how can a gravity hole black hole thing put an object somewhere else so much faster than a straight line....(fold space in half yatta yatta yatta) explain to me in baby words please just basics. I know Black holes are dead stars and what dark matter is.
technoty 2 years ago
that's the point: Imagine something with SOOOO much gravity that it distorts EVERYTHING. Like heat warping a record or CD. Imagine the CD/record was warped so much that the start of the album was right next to the ending so that you could hear 2 parts of the same song simultaneously. You'd be hearing the middle of the song before u even heard the beginning. This is how you can come back in the yellow car before u left.
ilikefox34 2 years ago
good explaination! =]
02cahillt 2 years ago
The mass of a black hole is so intense that it can bend, distort and spin spacetime because of gravity. The strings the he talks about also have an enormous gravitational field which should be able to bend space like it was paper(watch the movie Even Horizon), and make a distance shorter than it actually is.
Fillthrill 2 years ago
well the reason they say they'd be traveling back in time is because at the point that the space time fabric is bent, the 'straight line' is what you travel on, the much longer bent line is what light travels on
i hope this helped
kionay 2 years ago
Actually, you go back in time if you pass lightspeed because your catching up toand passing the light that already passed you. At lightspeed time would stop, at 1mph past light speed you would move back in time one hour for every mile forward at that speed. Is what your trying to describe a wormhole?
callowaymotorcompany 2 years ago
you should look at some basic physics about spacetime, I don't know how much you do or don't know so i can't really help
diademonster 2 years ago
I'm not disagreeing.. But I thought we only had theories about what light actually was. I have heard things about light being photons but as far as that being true, I've not heard proof
megadeth667 2 years ago
and anyways light are photons which are not 'white', they do not have colour, rather they are carriers of information, e.g. colour.
Hope this helped.
divijkm 3 years ago
We would see the light hitting the matter orbiting the black hole. It would be more or less like shining a laser pointer through smoke. By the way, the visable spectrum of light does have colour. But let me expain. In the immense gravity of a black hole, the light would sped up to its top speed, making it appear white. But youve given me an idea. The light orbiting the black hole, not too close that it would not be seen, would be orbititg, getting faster and faster, refracting off the matter.
callowaymotorcompany 3 years ago
Cont.
Also,light goes straight without gravity interferance. So once the light was out if the gravity's range, it would continue not how it started, but where it is then. If gravity lensing is said to work by another principle, as you read. Now, I think that light comes in, if its too close, it orbits faster and faster. farther, it gets shot off by the rotation. Farther than that and it gets thrown in another direction.
callowaymotorcompany 3 years ago
Actually, light is both a particle and a wave, a sort of cross between it, so gravty would affect the particles, if I am not incorrect in that particles are affected by gravity.
dudemanguy3333 2 years ago
Im not seeing your point, what your saying really doesnt have to do with anything. Whats your point?
callowaymotorcompany 2 years ago
@callowaymotorcompany My point is that if light is affected by gravity, then it could and ought to be sucked into a black hole so none of it reaches our eye receptors. In other words, if light is a particle, then it may not be able to escape a black hole's grasp.Therefore, no light gets out.
dudemanguy3333 2 years ago
@callowaymotorcompany Oh yes i forgot to mention that it would make the hole appear black within the event horizon.
dudemanguy3333 2 years ago
In otherwords, I agree with wheatspin and the such.
dudemanguy3333 2 years ago
You kind of missed the point of the whole theory...what im saying is that what happens to matter around a black hole should happen to light as well I.E. the accelerated, swirling mass of matter.
callowaymotorcompany 2 years ago
cont. 2
Also, the black hole would appear as an intense white dot, when looked at by the eye, and would give off powarful x-rays, as it does now. The x-rays are from the moderately close light being thrown out of the hole from the near (or past) light speed orbiting. As of yet, its only proven to give off x-rays.
callowaymotorcompany 3 years ago
hi.. with regards on why black holes are black and not white as you claim they ought to have been, assuming the role gravity plays, i would like to say this......
we 'see' an object in the following process:-
(1) light from around hits the object.
(2) reflects from it.
(3) reaches our eyes
(4) our brain interprets it.blah, blah, blah... BUT in the case of a black hole, the very first step is never completed!!!!
divijkm 3 years ago