Paul Washer: Decisionism

[jaykarroll]

@BelieveandtrustJesus What Scripture says God gave us free will please?

[TheoFluxH111]

@BelieveandtrustJesus That is assuming of course, that election would make us robots. It says in 2 Pet. 1:10 "Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall"

-Again, "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I LIVE, YET NOT I, BUT CHRIST LIVETH IN ME: and the life which I now live in the flesh I LIVE BY FAITH OF THE SON OF GOD, who loved me, and gave himself for me."

[TheoFluxH111]

@BelieveandtrustJesus No God isn't WILLING that any should perish. But theres simply people who won't make it to heaven. If God didn't choose people before time, and if everyone really made their own decision, we'd all be in hell. If it weren't for God's election nobody would be saved. Unless of course you think that somehow you can make it to heaven on your own. In order to come to repentance, wouldn't God have to choose you before time began? Or did you do all that by yourself?

[TheoFluxH111]

@BelieveandtrustJesus No. Your saved not 'cos you made a "Decision for Christ", but 'cos He makes a decision for you, we're all predestined by His hand alone. Nobody dictates the will of God. There's no such thing as you "deciding" to go to heaven. Last time I checked, God is the sovereign of EVERYTHING. Including your "decision" which is not yours at all, but His alone.

[Godsgloryaboveall]

Thank the Lord for this man

[Progressivism]

The Fruits of “Decisionism”

Listen @ 3:10 “The greatest mission field on the face of the earth is Southern Baptist Churches”

Ancillary thought: Do you know where most LDS converts come from ?

Southern Baptist Churches.

The SBC itself performed a research project and discovered this fact. The statistics they gathered were [are] alarming.

Every Mormon I’ve encountered here in Utah who has been a convert to the LDS religion came from a Southern Baptist church almost without exception .

[shanemason789]

@Progressivism That is very alarming...

[Remogogy]

Ya this is biblical preaching. Let me see if I can break it down. We are saved By Grace through Faith alone in Jesus Christ. But that Faith must be Genuine. And genuine faith real repentance and the persons willingness to allow the spirit in to the very heart and mind. To deal with your thought life. Christianity is a war for the thoughts of the person who would be saved. A person who wont allow that transforming is unknowingly rejecting Christ. that counts as unbelief! Faith/Repentance

[HermitintheRain]

@Remogogy you are right that it must be Genuine Faith. That Faith must actually be perfect. It must be the faith that Christ had, has, and forever will have. It must faith that is by the Author and Finisher of it. It must be faith that is God-given, and not man-made. It is the grace bestowed upon us by the Holy Spirit. Faith is the seal of that grace upon us. It is that faith by which the fruit of the Spirit is manifested in and through us; of which there is no law/no restriction.

[HermitintheRain]

@Remogogy if we would have the righteousness of Christ upon our lives-which is the only righteousness that is acceptable to the Father, we must have the same faith that he has. our man-made faith will never amount to the righteousness that is acceptable to the Father. to believe that we have all that is Christ-his righteousness, his peace, his truth, his faith, his life, etc-is impossible for man in his own mind to believe. it takes a divine act of grace and mercy upon our soul to believe.

[ShilohVoice]

Speak the truth, amen. But speak it in love.

[dude853]

I like Paul Washer. But Southern Baptists arent the only dead churches....

[jrmrprkr]

we are saved simply because we believe on the Lord Jesus

[pricer5]

Doesn't the devil believe in Christ as well? I'm sure Hitler believed in God too, does that mean that they are going to heaven? If I just "believe on the lord Jesus" then go murder, rape and steal then I will be going to heaven right? That is twisted man.

[shmandersproductions]

this is an amazing sermon. see my friend totally changed my life by telling me about Paul Washer now Paul Washer is changing my life for good.

[jaredsshield]

wait wait it should be God changing your life. We should be careful we don't make preachers an idol instead we seek God but listening too great preachers for help can be good too but remember too focus on seeking God and being pleasing too to the Lord and give him all glory.

[KEKKREEM]

The Holy Spirit is making the change by the will of God in Heaven. Paul W is simply sharing the gospel. He wouldn't take credit for any change in any person that brings them closer to KNOWING the salvation they have in Christ Jesus by grace through faith. Paul W is only a man.

[pricer5]

Paul washer is changing your life, that is pretty sad. Should Christ be changing your life? So many people give so much praise and attention to some of these preachers, but they are just men, like you and me, they are not more special. But people pretty much worshp these guys, they should be looking to the bible and christ and not put so much faith in men. It would be nice if you said "my friend totally changed my life by telling me about JESUS!

[rizzumz]

@pricer5 Wouldn't you give thanks to a fellow beggar who pointed you to free food?

[TheoFluxH111]

@shmandersproductions that's good Paul has an influence on you, but it's really God that should work in you not Mr. Washer. God Bless~

[eric12419]

faith in GOD grows in you as you continue in obedience to grow in obedience to the word of GOD we must repent and believe the gosple.

[eric12419]

Don't trust a decision that grows cold but trust in the GOD of the bible.

keep growing with GOD in your soul through the bible, repent and believe.

trust in GOD not a decision!

[PilgrimsofTruth]

Awesome message. Decisionism is a real problem in our generation!

[Jesusway2heaven]

I wouldn't say no one talks about the book of Acts when talking about salvation Bugisimo. I, ALOT these days because many churches do not preach repentance and I show them the apostles preached repentance and faith. Acts 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

[Jesusway2heaven]

I agree with you Terri in that in both of those scenarios, the thief on the cross and the one who says Jesus saves me both repented. They acknowledged who Jesus is and flung themselves to HIM for salvation. From the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

[bugisimo]

this is good but.... One question why does no one talk about the Book of acts when talking about salvation...........Acts the first church............THEY ACTUALLY ASKED WHAT MUST WE DO TO BE SAVED.......the Great awakening livivng out the book of Acts................

[Terri3210]

Thief on the Cross.. 9 words to Salvation. "God, be merciful to me, the sinner!" 7 words to Salvation...[Luke 18:13]

Another may only say, Jesus save me.

KEY! God knows a heart

Salvation is not an articulate speech; its the hearts desire.

We may question how many that believe or have believed in God and are saved?

All they had to call on the name of the Lord God knows a heart.

Thats the diff in a mental ascent and one of the heart.

Soul Salvation is not difficult only believe.

[Dyingtobesaved]

Modern day John the Baptist. Fearless, bold.....full of TRUTH.

[Jesusway2heaven]

MrZtron, if you're going to criticize, do so with hard facts and not like a child who is like you said, no you said, no you said. Paul Washer has spent his life in the jungles of South America preaching the gospel and as such his message is his walk. Jesus said if you hate your brother its like murder. Stop hating MrZtron. Judge with truth and fact and not based on emotions.

[Coyne1988]

Note, if you are only going to church just cuz it's entertaining, that's idolatry and, folks, if you wont repent of that idolatry then leave the Christian church, stop cluttering the pews, and stop wearing the title Christian cuz that title is not to be worn by an unrepentant idolator.

[MrZtron]

Paul Washer is like any other nicolaitane, he honors God with his words and not in deed or in truth.

This man will not give to them that ask of him. You have been warned

[Coyne1988]

What do you mean?

[randy95023]

I agree with Paul Washer and love his preaching but he really shouldn't judge ALL Southern Baptists and be so dismissive of Baptists in general. There are many Baptists who truly love and serve the Lord. And yes, they are saved. I'm sure that this is true among all the 30,000 Christian denominations, but like everyone else, regarding their faith, Washer is certain that HE is right and the rest are wrong. Well folks we can't ALL be right. Satan must enjoy watching us fight with each other.

[GodsWordIsTruth]

hi brother;) i see what youre saying but i dont belive Washer is saying HE is right. i believe he is pointing people to scripture, i could be wrong coz i only just descoverd his sermons a few days ago. but if someone is pointing you to check scripture for YOURSELF thats always a good sighn. Be blessed!;)

[MatlisabRil]

That's a misconception that he is dismissive of Baptists in general. In many messages he has backed the Baptist name saying throughout history they've been the first to get it right. Also considering Paul Washer is the preacher at a First Baptist Church here in the United States. A lot of people in this country cling to a denomination because their family has. He uses Baptists as a prime example. Many people grow up in Baptist homes and churches but are never saved.

[randy95023]

I must agree with you. I think that using "soft" Baptists as examples is used by Mr. Washer because he is most familiar with them. Every Christian denomination seems to have their own "soft" followers. God Bless and thanks for responding.

[sampsoncain1984]

he is right. he is 1 of THE ELECT PREDESTINATED TO CHRIST.

[randy95023]

Sampson- I'll agree with you that Washer sure appears to be one of the elect. Beware of putting too much faith in a man though. In this bizarre world you could see Paul Washer fall in a sex scandal or similar indiscretion in a couple of years. Ask yourself if that would hurt your faith. If so, you're following Washer and not Christ. I've seen it happen all too often in the 32 years I've been a Christian. I was a pentecostal Assembly of God member when Swaggart fell. It WAS devastating...

[sampsoncain1984]

"beware of putting to much faith in man" i never said my faith was in paul washer i said HE WAS 1 OF THE ELECT. "paul washer could fall into a sex scandal" yr pt.? whether or not he falls into a sex scandal does not proove whether or nte is GODS elect. "your following washer not christ" i follow no man but CHRIST im simply listening to a sermon by paul washer. i was a pentecostal assembly of God member" i dont join manmade denominations nor do i do church institutions.GOD BLESS!

[fruitofspirit]

I know what he's talking about with the idolatry in the churches. This is the Truth. One lady in church who is a devout believer in her senior years now told me she thought she was a Christian until she was 30 years old. She didn't realize that she didn't know Christ until she met someone who did. That meeting sparked a hunger in her to truly know Him. How many others are there who bring the covered dish religiously, but still hunger?

[chieffire19]

Here is anotherromans 10:13= For who soever shall call upon the name of the Lord (Jesus Christ) shall be saved.

[grantk07]

you need to read all of Romans 10. you are pulling scripture out of context. How does belief come? by the word of God. The word of God brings about faith. Not someones 'decision.'

[chieffire19]

Just a question, scripture states,romans 10:9,10= that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the lord Jesus, & shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raisd him from the dead, thou shalt be saved; 10= for with the heart man believeth unto rightousness; & with the mouth confrssion is made unto salvation.

[grantk07]

that wasn't a question. how about matthew 7? Many will say to me Lord Lord and I will say depart from me I never knew you. The belief in the heart is the key. The profession of faith will come as a result. Just a profession without a heart change means absolutely nothing.

[ChrisReeves1230]

This is me, Autumn6. Had to get my other profile since I exceeded my comment limit. Anyway, Romans 9:7-13 is about God choosing his nation of Israel. Just because God chose them does not mean that they will all be saved. In Rm. 9:20-21, it says that God chooses some to be vessels of honor, and others to be vessels of dishonor. But again, this has nothing to do with Salvation. There are many vessels of honor (Pharoh, Nebecaunezzer, etc.) who were lost, and many vessels of dishonor who were saved.

[grantk07]

17For you know that even afterwards, (A)when he desired to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no place for repentance, though he sought for it with tears.

First of all, he clearly attempted to repent later and was denied. If it is our free will that saves us, why was he denied? Did he sin too much? (Rhetorical)

[grantk07]

11for though the twins were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad, so that God's purpose according to His choice would stand, not because of works but because of Him who calls, 12it was said to her, "THE OLDER WILL SERVE THE YOUNGER." 13Just as it is written, "JACOB I LOVED, BUT ESAU I HATED."

You said, "a lot of people think that God said he hated Esau before he was born."

Paul was wrong?

[grantk07]

18So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires.

Why does the subject, God, harden Pharoa? Was Paul wrong again?

21Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use? 22What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction?

[grantk07]

23And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory,

Prepared for destruction or glory, this is clearly referring to heaven or hell.

Your statement, "Esau was certainly that because he lived a sinful life."

You are implying that there is something Esau did to now be under condemnation, when we are all born into condemnation, in desperate need of God's mercy. We all deserve hell, do we not?

[grantk07]

24even us whom he(AI) has called,(AJ) not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles? 25As indeed he says in Hosea,

Jews and Gentiles. What now? It's talking about all, not just Israel.

[Autumn6]

And not to mention the hardening of Pharoh's heart had NOTHING to do with Salvation. His heart was said to be hardened concerning the freedom of Israel. We find in Ex. 7:13 that Pharoh hardened his own heart. It was only in the respect that God forced him to make a decision that God hardened Pharaoh's heart. God just pushed the matter to a conclusion. The free will was Pharaoh's!

[Autumn6]

If we go back to Exodus 4:21, it looks on the surface as if GOD had hardened Pharoh's heart. However, Pharoh actually hardened his own heart. God hardened his heart by telling him to let His people go. It's just like me going up to a person and trying to share the Gospel with them. They could get mad, yes...but it's not like I purposely did it. Pharoh's heart was hardened by what God said because of the state Pharoh's heart was already in...

[Autumn6]

I know I said 7-13 but I'll go further. In verse 20 it says the "vessels of wrath fitted for destruction". Esau was certainly that because he lived a sinful life. He rejected Christ. Anybody who does not believe is condemned already, meaning a "vessel fitted for destruction". In Verse 17, Pharoh is said to have been "raised up". But it never said anything about Pharoh not having free will. In Daniel 2:21 we learn that God very sets people up in power, then takes them down and replaces them...

[Autumn6]

Alright here's the deal on Romans 9:7-13. This seems to be the passage that supports Calvinism. First, if we look at Esau..a lot of people think that God said he hated Esau before he was born. However, this was stated in the book of Malachi, hundreds of years AFTER Esau was born. God hated Esau because Esau rejected his heritage, and NOT out of election. God chose Jacob as the one whom would recieve the blessing of carrying out the nation of Israel. This had nothing to do with his salvation.

[Autumn6]

Romans 9 has nothing to do with being chosen unto salvation. However, I will explain it a little bit later in detail because I'm really exhausted right now and have to get to bed. Good night!

[keeterskeeter]

I dont know how you dodge this....

10And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, 11though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad—in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls— 12she was told, "The older will serve the younger." 13As it is written, "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."

[Autumn6]

You are the elect once you put your faith in Christ. Repent (turn to Christ for forgiveness of your sins) and believe on Jesus Christ and you shall be saved. If not...it's Hellfire.

[keeterskeeter]

You choose to interpret some texts incorrectly. The way I know that, is as a result you end up having to ignore parts of the Bible. I think you have skewed the definition of 'all.' By doing that you have to completely disregard Romans 9. If you have to avoid Romans 9 in order for your philosophy to hold up, you are forced to alter the Bible to fit YOUR preconceived notions about God. That my friend is twisting the word of God.

[Autumn6]

If you go to Hell, it's YOUR fault (2 Peter 3:9). However, Calvinists like Ray Comfort and Paul Washer suggest that if people go to Hell then it's really actually God's fault because he chose for you to go there (by NOT choosing to save you). This is heresy. Ray Comfort, John MacArthur, and Ray Comfort....while all three of them make very good statements and teach a lot of sound doctrine, are still heretics in my book because they screw up the most important issue of Christianity: Salvation.

[Autumn6]

First, let me address what I said earlier. First of all, Jesus died for everyone (John 3:16, 1 John 2:2). God's gift of eternal life is available for anyone who makes the decision to come to him for salvation (Romans 10:13, John 6:37). Salvation is a FREE GIFT that is already given to us. People are prepared for God's wrath and are given over to a reprobate mind because they conciously and willfully rejected Christ (Romans 1:16-25) - they end up going to hell..

[keeterskeeter]

Autumn6 all you are saying 'sounds' really good. You just give no scriptural support for it.

How about John 10:22-30

You are saying that Christ died for all in a sense that everyone simply has an opportunity to be saved. To me that disagrees with the Bible, as well as cheapens the role of God's grace. Saving grace is available if we take it? That doesn't really sound like a saving function, that sounds like a, let man do it function.

[keeterskeeter]

21Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use? 22What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much (AQ)patience vessels of wrath (AR)prepared for destruction? 23And He did so to make known (AS)the riches of His glory upon (AT)vessels of mercy, which He (AU)prepared beforehand for glory,

Have you ever read Romans 9?

[Autumn6]

EVERYONE has the ability to come to Christ. It's just that not everyone WILL. Everyone knows Christ, it's just that many will reject him. They will not want anything to do with him, therefore God will often give them exactly what they desire. He will harden their hearts and give them over to a reprobate mind. He will basically give up on them. But nobody is in that condition by default. They are in that condition because they wanted to be.

[keeterskeeter]

Where do you get the words free will from, Biblically of course?

[Autumn6]

And yes we are depraved, but we are NOT so depraved that we lack the ability to come to Christ. This is heresy. Man has FREE WILL. Jesus died so that EVERYONE can have a chance at Salvation, not just the ones he "chooses". God doesn't give people special treatment. He sees us ALL as equals. To say that Jesus chooses some to go to Hell is suggesting that his being crucified for them is in vain.

[Autumn6]

I certainly agree that Salvation is a super-natural act of God, but it's in response in our DECISION to trust Jesus. Jesus doesn't force anybody to trust him. Calvinism is heresy.

[keeterskeeter]

If Jesus doesn't "kick the door down" metaphorically to your heart, then we must open it. Do you really think in our fallen state we will get up to open it? We are dead in our trespasses and sins. Depraved and wicked.

Read John 6:37 and John 6:44

People cannot learn faith. People don't assess their options. Christ saves them, they don't save themselves. Faith and faith alone, not decide and accept. Last time I checked those are both verbs (meaning they are works).

[Autumn6]

To suggest that Jesus chooses who goes to Heaven is ultimately saying that Jesus chooses some to go to Hell...meaning that he did not die for them as he never gave them a chance. There's no reason why Jesus would die for people whom he was going to send to Hell anyway. If you wind up in Hell, it's YOUR FAULT. NOT Jesus Christ's. And you took both those verses completely out of context as well. We are NOT chosen to Salvation. We are chosen once we accept Christ. That's who the "chosen" are.

[Autumn6]

Jesus makes a change in somebody AFTER he is saved, NOT BEFORE. God does works in people through the Holy Spirit....and nobody recieves the Holy Spirit until they recieve Christ as Savior.

[Autumn6]

The only thing we are to give up is our unbelief. THAT is biblical. Before we COME AFTER CHRIST (Luke 9:23) we must COME UNTO CHRIST (Matthew 11:28). The term "BELIEVE" does not mean "turn from sin and follow Christ." It means "trust fully, rely upon, resting one's whole weight upon the WORTH, WORD and WORK of Jesus Christ." Don't re-define saving faith to make it some kind of a "work-requirement" for salvation. Justification is for the person who "worketh not, but believes" (Romans 4:5).

[Autumn6]

Easy Believism - interesting word, there. You are basically saying that somebody has to be sanctified BEFORE he's saved. Sanctification comes AFTER salvation, NOT before. Jesus in Luke 9:23 was talking about DISCIPLESHIP, NOT salvation or sonship. NOBODY can forsake sin. Christians still sin. To suggest that salvation comes from not sinning is WORKS SALVATION. Salvation is a FREE GIFT (Romans 5:18). If God required us to forsake or do anything for salvation it is no longer a free gift...

[monkeyster1]

Thank you Paul for preaching the truth. There is such a dearth for the word of God today. There is no zeal for Jesus or passion for souls, arising from transformed lives. I'm so grieved with the compromise, the lover's of self & lover's of money. There is not one church in my little town that isn't backslidden. I've been sorrowful and repenting for a long time now, I find myself crying out for God's mercy, night and day. I never thought I would long for God's judgement like I do now.

[LiViDaChI]

Brother, you should either move, or you should go help them! God will bless you. I pray you can make a difference.

God bless you

[diligentile]

you might try sermonaudio(dot)com

[Autumn6]

Repentence is simply realizing that because of your sinful life, you are GUILTY under God's Law, deserving of Hell, and because of that you are TURNING to Jesus Christ and believing on Him to save you from your sins and from eternal damnation. It is putting your trust in Jesus Christ to forgive you of your sins. You don't OWE Him anything afterwords. That wouldn't make any sense because Jesus died because we did not have the ability to owe him anything...he knows we can't afford to pay him back.

[keeterskeeter]

2 Timothy 2:25: "...God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth"

Please explain to me what Paul meant by this.

If the truth in fact sets you free, we are not able to be free until we know the truth. If we cannot know the truth unless God grants it. How can we be saved? By our accepting? no? By God doing such a work in our heart, so that we no longer love the sin we once loved.

What do you think born-again means? It means we are a new creature in Christ.

[Autumn6]

Washer and several other false prophets confuse the term REPENTENCE. The word used in the original Greek simply means to change mind, not a change of behavior or even the desire to change. There are NO stipulations on our part of the FREE GIFT of salvation other than accepting it! It would NOT be a free gift if the only way we could recieve it was if were willing to change (or even let God change us). This is lie of the Devil. FAITH ALONE!

[VJDTropical]

It's both ( change of mind and behaviour ) and it's faith alone procedeed by repentance

[Autumn6]

Washer teaches that "God has to do such a work a person" to make them be willing to forsake their sins *BEFORE* they can become saved. That suggests that sanctification comea BEFORE salvation, when that ISN'T what the Bible teaches. There is not ONE VERSE in the Bible that EVER suggests that one must be willing to turn away from their sins and live a righteous life in order to be saved. This is utter heresy. Christ came to save the ungodly...and ungodly men do NOT desire to live righteously.

[diligentile]

Please listen to Paul's preaching more closely. Yes, God does have to regenerate a person before a person can believe. Otherwise you have dead men 'doing something' in order to be made alive and to save themselves, it would become by works and not be God's grace in regeneration.

When you have listened more closely to Paul's sermons and see that your post is a false accusation, I would be happy to delete your posts to save you the embarrassment.

[grantk07]

What do you think deny yourself and pick up your cross means (Luke 9:23)? If you truly believe that if someone is not permanently changed at the point of justification, you are a heretic. You obviously believe a false, easy believeism gospel. If God does not do a work in someone, how else do they come to him? They don't because natural man does not seek after God (Romans 3:11). If you believe man has it in him to save himself that would mean your gospel is works based, and Jesus never had to die

[marcansal]

@Autumn6 Here are the verses you are looking for, "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure." 1 JOHN 3:2-3 KJV

[marcansal]

@Autumn6

"Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:" HEBREWS 12:14 KJV

"As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy." 1 PETER 1:14-16 KJV

[shanemason789]

@Autumn6 First of all, I am not baptist, 2nd of all, this ,man's message on salvation is spot on with the New Testament teachings of the apostles. In theology there is what we call the "Law of first mention". The 1st time we see the pattern or first mention of salvation in the N.T. is in the Acts, Chapter 2 in Peter's sermon. What does the scripture say? Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized...

[Autumn6]

Paul Washer teaches that one has to completely turn away from his sins in order to be saved. This is damnable heresy. NOBODY can turn away from their sins. Nobody can live a righteous life, saved or not. Washer forgets that Salvation is a FREE GIFT that only needs to be ACCEPTED, not EARNED. He makes Salvation out to be this mysterious *thing* that, if you call upon God to grant it to you, you MIGHT get but you also might not get...

[goldsmithstudent]

i stopped trying to be good. there is none good but the father. my father sees no sin he sees only his child and says with you i am well pleased. And KNOWING that i serve God

[fromfictiontofact]

You stopped trying to be good? My friend, that is not biblical "do not grow tired of doing good"

It is true that you can feel condemned rather then convicted, which is from the Devil. But that does not mean you should give up all together and not feel convicted, not strive for righteousness "blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness"

You are called to be righteous, you have just been going about it the wrong way, so find the right way, but don't give up!

[2corinthians710]

These last 3 comments were all responses to tesseractuality's comments.

[goldsmithstudent]

sorry i dont worship fear anymore.i did at one time until i experienced Grace and realized that God loves me.i live in heaven Daley my friend and i dont have to wait until i die either

[fromfictiontofact]

Amen brother, but I think you will find that the major problem with today's most common message is an incomplete preaching on grace, people seem to think that they are completely covered by grace, that their faith need not be accompanied by righteousness. That they were saved from hell, but not saved for righteousness.

We are here to serve God.

I have no problem with what you do, whatever sin you continue to commit, the only problem I have, is doing it with an unconcerned and hard heart.

[goldsmithstudent]

this man is way off and i feel sorry for him he is so jelous and scared to death.

[fromfictiontofact]

listen to his sermons and you'll soon realise he is a prophet, youtube Paul Washer shocking youth message (1 hour sermon) truly amazing sermon

[2corinthians710]

no, he aint no prophet...he's just a man who is after God's heart because his(Paul's) has been regenerated, and only God really knows whether or not Paul is regenerate. Although, most unregenerate preachers wouldn't dare preach on the stuff Paul preaches on, unless he were a hypocrite.

[2corinthians710]

nonetheless, he would be much more worthy of being a prophet than these kookoo charismatic preachers.

[fromfictiontofact]

"these kookoo charismatic preachers"

which in particular?

[fromfictiontofact]

"no, he aint no prophet" did you watch the sermon I recommended? "Paul Washer shocking youth message (1 hour sermon))

If not, watch it, then comment on whether this man is a prophet, as if you do want to comment on such a thing, at least watch a full sermon by him and have a valid reason why you would rebuke my claim, thank you, God Bless, Henry

[2corinthians710]

I have watched it, one could say he is a prophet, but not like some dude who performs signs and wonders from God sort of prophet...which is pretty much what it means to be a prophet. That was y I said PW aint no prophet(he's not a PROPHET type of prophet). Which Charismatic Preachers? Primarily the famous ones almost every1 knows r frauds. I do agree with and support what Paul Washer preaches, I even have some vids on him on my channel.

[fromfictiontofact]

who are your favorite preachers? How long have you been a Christian? And what denomination are you?

[2corinthians710]

washer, macarthur, comfort, WOTM, piper, and some others. Ive been a true Christian since November or December(around that area), I was a false convert years b4 until I "backslid." I go to an assemblies of God church and belief Calvinism over Arminianism, yet I dont believe in the pentecostal view points of the AoGod church.

[fromfictiontofact]

assemblies of God church? Arminianism? AoGod church? Sorry I'm not familiar with these things, also can you tell me how you would summarize the Calvinist beliefs? I keep coming across Calvinism and feel God is calling me to investigate it, I don't know why.

[2corinthians710]

arminianism mantains that man has free-will, but the Scriptures say that no one has free-will, we r either slaves to sin or bondservants of Christ. The best way I could summarize Calvinism, which is apart from hyper-calvinism, is found in TULIP. As far as limited atonement or predestination, a summary of what that teaches is not a matter of can, but of the will...the Scriptures say that FEW will enter the strait & narrow gate. LaneCh or Oct31st1517 might know more than I do on this Calvinism.

[fromfictiontofact]

btw, is it just me, or does Paul Washer seem a bit obsessed with the narrow way? I've been listening to him A LOT since I saw his youth talk, but he does seem to be a bit obsessed with "not all who cry Lord" and "many are called but few are chosen" and "the narrow way"

[chiefreed71]

He has a message to get out. You heard it but not all have. So a preacher much keep preaching it. His job should be saving souls and not creating returning customers. You have heard the truth. Now go share it.

[diligentile]

I have other videos on my channel of Jim McClarty that may be helpful as you study calvinism.

[fromfictiontofact]

thank you kindly brother ;)

[brotherRonnie]

America is on the brink of God's Holy judgement. Pray for America. Pray for revival. Get off the computer and cry out to God for a revival in America NOW!

[abishaiyoung]

I don't really mean to jump in an argument, and no, I don't know anyone on here. But tesseractuality, just by reading through the comments, you come off awfully hostile/hateful. I agree with the person above that says to actually listen to a sermon in whole such as, "Examine Yourself"and i think you'll actually see that you and Mr. Washer may not disagree as much as you think. Using the statement that you argued above... when Washer ask, "How do you know that you believe?"

[abishaiyoung]

I don't think it's necessarily supposed to be "well, of course you know you believe." I think he's saying (I paraphrase) It doesn't matter what your mommy, daddy, brother, sister, pastor, youth group ... says about you. What does scripture say about you? Because our emotions change, but scripture does not. Compare yourself to scripture,

[abishaiyoung]

"Test yourselves to see if you are in the faith; examine yourselves! Or do you not recognize this about yourselves-unless indeed you fail the test." 2 corinth 13:5 and in the sermon, he uses the book of first John as a series of test 1 John 5:13 "These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God in order that you may know you have eternal life." That's why the book is written, hence the sermon presents that.

[abishaiyoung]

Have you really...really listened to a full Washer message all the way through? I feel like you two actually agree more than you think. Why so hostile? Also, i think the basis of Washer's theology which he quotes often come from Mark 1:15 ..."repent and believe the gospel." Not just believe in Christ as your Lord and Savior, but turn away from the sin.

[fromfictiontofact]

very very well put! thank you for your review and use of scripture, God Bless you

[JREAMING]

Does this man ever bring up being born-again? John 3:3. Remember the man on the cross? Why was he saved so quickly?

[scribe7580]

Yes...it is incumbent upon you to further research his teaching.

[CrossReach]

He knew he was guilty, he had mocked Jesus on the cross, but repented. He acknowldged Christ as God. Rebirth is messy. Who knows how long he had watched Jesus during His 3 years of ministry? It wasn't quickly nessecarily.

[fromfictiontofact]

I was saved the second I believed and repented, if I had died the second I found faith, I would of gone to Heaven I reckon, whether I can loose that salvation is another question

[fromfictiontofact]

because he repented and believed

[tesseractuality]

One last comment. I'd seriously question my beliefs if I only focused on defending what someone else teaches. "Study to show thyself approved"; I know what I believe because I READ MY BIBLE in order to understand more of God's Teaching. I'd say if you agree with him, you should read up on it. If not, I'd really look into the depth of my convictions if I were you.

[tesseractuality]

All you've done this entire time is question what I've already said! You only read half of what I say and then point out things you don't understand about what I've said as wrong. You've yet to provide any counter points in this argument, so to you I say good day. Have a great Christmas & New Year! Good bye!

[diligentile]

Good bye, in the future I would advise you to get a full grasp on a person's teaching before you take out of context jabs on 1 sentence that he says, God Bless.

[tesseractuality]

You see, when I say the things I say, I'm not defending someone's teaching, or my beliefs, or someone's feelings; I'm basically opening up the Bible and showing you what it says. You have no counter point, you have no argument, THEREFORE, you have no real basis for what you say BECAUSE you're only focus is DEFENDING WHAT A MAN HAS SAID because you feel wronged that I vocally oppose him on his own video. In light of this, I'm done; I'm walking away because to be honest, this is pretty one-sided.

[diligentile]

You are merely repeating what McBain has said:

out of context attacks.

If you would actually listen to some Paul Washer sermons you could see for yourself.

But if you want to merely come here and make unintelligible accusations that are not even found in the particular clip you are responding to, go for it. Best wishes.

[mrcowan009]

NEEDGOD DOT COM

[tesseractuality]

"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed." Galatians 1:8

sounds like about 99% of paul washer's messages to me.

[bienestar153]

I don't think anyone is going to disagree with any of the Scripture you've quoted, but if your thesis is that Paul Washer's preaching is unsound, maybe you should quote what he has said that you disagree with rather than throwing out a blanket accusation.

[tesseractuality]

"If you're sitting here and you're wondering whether you're not saved... Just envision for a moment. Stand beside a student you know to be an unbeliever. Are you like them?" -Paul Washer

"...but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise." -2 Corinthians 2:10

[diligentile]

1. That's not in this video clip

2. You are merely repeating the claim that Andrew McBain made in his out of context attack on Paul Washer

3. Are you Andrew McBain?

4. Merry Christmas

[tesseractuality]

It's crazy, I know, but sometimes TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE (brace yourself) CAN COME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION. The very fact that you know someone else that agrees with me proves the fact that I'm NOT the only person who notices this stuff.

also, merry Christmas

[tesseractuality]

Also also, PERHAPS YOU COULD CONSIDER ACTUALLY (brace yourself again) CONSIDER ACTUALLY USING SCRIPTURE TO BACK UP YOUR CLAIMS THAT HE'S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. See, I'm using THE BIBLE to back my claims; where's the quotes from paul washer on your end? Would you like me to further prove my point or just give you a break?

[2corinthians710]

that verse is refering to professed Christians comparing themselves to those who call themselves "christian" and lives like the world, then when the Christian see most of the church or youth group acting like the world, instead of being troubled or instead of examining themselves, they think, "Well, I'm like most in my church, my love is in so many things in the world and I do commit habitual sin, but blessed god I'm saved because I asked Jesus into my heart."

[tesseractuality]

"Sometimes in discipline, God will pull away assurance from a true believer so that they may fear and seek him." -Paul Washer

"Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed." -James 1:13,14

[diligentile]

Hmmm, it is interesting that your quote isn't found in this clip and second, that the verse you put talks about tempting, whereas Paul's quote does not talk about the Lord tempting, but rather a removal of assurance.

[tesseractuality]

Is doubting wrong? Yes. Is a loss of assurance over the matter of salvation a form of doubt? Yes. Does paul washer say loss of assurance can be caused by God? Yes.

ANOTHER SHOCKING TRUTH: 1+1=2.

[tesseractuality]

Also, if you notice, the person who asked me to quote paul washer NEVER said I had to quote him from this video. Maybe you should, o, I don't know, read the comments before you just blindly reply? Thank you and good night!

[2corinthians710]

I think the whole God pulling away your assurance in discipline is more of a tribulation than temptation, Washer could be talking about how God will put his ppl thru tribulation for his glory, that he'll shatter a man into pieces. Then he reconstruct him and makes him his own.

[tesseractuality]

this whole thing about sinning after you get saved and backsliding and blah blah blah is a pointless argument. why?

"Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me."

-Romans 7:20

and before those of you who say i'm wrong can say it, yes, i know, you think i've taken this verse out of context. seems pretty straight forward to me though.

[2corinthians710]

1John chapter 1 does prove that saved Christians do sin, but the difference between them and the world is that Christians war against sin. That is why self-esteem is unbiblical, in our flesh dwells no good thing. What I'm saying here has nothing to do with backsliding.

[fromfictiontofact]

Amen

[2corinthians710]

this comment doesn't have anything necessarily to do with this video, but modern evangelism in general. There are 2 things I find a bit heretical in the church today, one is the use of "abundant life" as a draw card for salvation, and the other is saying that som1 who claims 2b Christian and yet lives in sin is a backslider or carnal christian...2b concluded

[2corinthians710]

in light of Luke 9:62, any true convrt backsliding(or falling from the faith) can't be justified(falling into sin is much different), I say this despite the verses/ppl of the bible ppl use to justify backsliding such as 1Cor 3:3, Jer 3:8, Noah getting drunk, Moses striking a rock, the Prodical Son, Peter denying Jesus, etc...ok, 1 more comment.

[2corinthians710]

So in conclusion, I think A)when som1 preaches the gospel, they shouldn't use "Abundant Life" as a draw card for salvation, and B)there is no such thing as a backslider/carnal christian(he/she, in reality, is a false convert who never slid forward to begin with). Now I could b wrong in my thinking, but whether I am or not, plz tell me...giv bible verses to support your claim.

[6gording6]

Paul Washer makes everyone seem wrong but himself.Maybe its time he starts leveling himself down and say he is a sinner and still sins because no one is perfect.

[eyo5201]

In many of his sermons, Paul does confess that he sins and that he is a man like the rest of us.

[diligentile]

That tells me you have not heard much of his sermons... keep listening.

[diligentile]

I was replying to 6gording6, didn't want to cause confusion eyo5201

[tesseractuality]

paul washer has a complex. he thinks he's found some great magical sign that shows people that he's saved. he's really only confusing a generation as to what the Bible actually says.

[diligentile]

And what does it actually say tesser?

[tesseractuality]

"And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, AND THOU SHALT BE SAVED, AND THY HOUSE. And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house." Acts 16:30-32

[tesseractuality]

and if you'd like any of the other hundreds of references that disprove just about everything paul washer has ever said, just let me know :]

[diligentile]

What do you think Paul Washer teaches that you disagree with?

How does someone know they have believed?

[tesseractuality]

you're asking how someone knows whether or not they believe something? that doesn't make any sense, AT ALL. how does someone know they believe? because they believe they do. you literally cannot know you believe something unless you believe you know. it's an abstract, mental-based paradox that has no real answer.

[tesseractuality]

let's expound on this a bit more. how does someone know they believed? in saying this, you're literally saying 'how do they know they believed THE CORRECT WAY?'. how many ways are there to believe something? if i'm just SAYING i believe something when in fact i don't, that's not even a type of belief: that's a lie. there's only ONE type of belief, and that's... BELIEF. so i'd say that if you know you believe, you believe. any questions?

[tesseractuality]

I'm sorry I've gotta say this. How does someone know something tastes sweet? How could you possibly know that something tastes sweet? Because it tastes sweet? How can you describe sweet without the word 'sweet'? How can you say you believe something without using the statement 'because I believe'?

[tesseractuality]

paul washer's message stems from doubt and fear. It comes from a flawed mindset that says there MUST be physical change derived from spiritual conversion, which is NOT true. The Bible says there will be 'fruits of the spirit' that a Christian will show; "love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law". Spiritual evidences for a Spiritual transformation.

[diligentile]

You seem to be contradicting yourself. If they are 'showing' fruits of the spirit, then that 'showing' is physical showing, is it not?

[tesseractuality]

You seem to be stumbling over the obvious. Fruits of the SPIRIT are actions that begin and end WITH THE SPIRIT; we don't 'act' with meekness, we don't 'longsuffer'. the good that is in us as Christians is NOT OF OUR DOING AT ALL. It's ALL Christ's doing. If the Spirit of God shows meekness, it's THROUGH US, not because we physically act meekful, but because CHRIST ACTS WITH MEEKNESS THROUGH US. So no, IT IS NOT 'physical showing'.

[tesseractuality]

"But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away." -Isaiah 64:6

How can I possibly say that I'M PHYSICALLY SHOWING Spiritual fruits myself, when the BEST I can do is 'as FILTHY RAGS'? It's not me physically showing my Spiritual Fruit, it's CHRIST REVEALING HIS SPIRITUAL FRUITS THROUGH US. So, again, IT'S ALL SPIRITUAL, AND NONE PHYSICAL.

[diligentile]

I don't understand your point. Are you saying that when God converts a soul that they will not look different from the world?

[tesseractuality]

What I'm saying is that it's really pretty prideful to say that we show 'physical signs' of salvation. We show nothing. Did you not read anything I said? GOD SHOWS HIS HOLY SPIRITS FRUITS THROUGH US. We can't show God's righteousness, only He can show it, and it just so happens that sometimes He USES US TO SHOW IT. HIS HOLY SPIRIT, HIS FRUITS.

[tesseractuality]

Who's Spirit indwells us after salvation? God's or our own? If it's the Holy Spirit that lives inside of Christians, and it's Spiritual fruits that are shown through a Christian, then you put the pieces together. God's Holy Spirit produces the fruit and shows it through us; the ONLY involvement we have SOMETIMES is when we decide NOT to show the Holy Spirit's fruits through ourselves. Now don't ask me the same questions again when I've already answered them more than once.

[tesseractuality]

You know what, I can cut my hair short, wear a suit and tie, carry a Bible, go to sunday school, pray, go soul winning, etc., etc., etc., but that doesn't make me ONE BIT DIFFERENT from the world. I can walk down the street and tell if a person is a Christian or not just by looking at them. Honestly it DOES NOT MATTER what clothes a person has on, or what music they listen to, or the way they wear their hair. Are any of those things SPIRITUAL in nature, or PHYSICAL?

[carmelah336]

this preacher is right on the word, maney do not teach the truth today , God bless this man for he tells the truth.amen

[kindrick5820]

my favorite speaker, i love this man of God. He has truely met my Lord.

[XoXjAk3XoX]

Praise God! Get this teaching into the modern church today.

[AGreenTomorrow]

great vid! Bless you!