Japanese Officials Laugh at Kids Being Forced to Drink Radioactive Milk

[superscheu]

what's fucked up for me is (1.) a teacher yelling at a kid for not wanting to drink milk. kids here refuse to drink milk all the time. i hated milk as a child myself. and (2.) the disrespect shown by the politicians. 

[marfeno]

@superscheu i came here through ur video :P

[superscheu]

sorry, watched the linked video... there's no mention of the milk being served at the school being contaminated. all the video shows is that a mother and her 3 children tested positive for cesium and that Chief Cabinet Secretary and the guy who sits next to him is a douche bag...

cesium-137 can come from a variety of sources. I do think that the situation isn't being handled perfectly, but I didn't see evidence in this linked video of tainted milk being forced on children. Did I miss something?

[freedomwv]

@superscheu It has already been reported the the cattle in the area are testing positive for dangerous radiation. In fact, Japanese beef sold on market has been testing positive for radiation.

[superscheu]

@freedomwv I believe that everything up there is contaminated to an extent, and I think the people should be evacuated. but the video doesn't give evidence that the milk served at the school was from local cows. there's a good chance that it was, but... the title of the video takes certain liberties of assumption, that's dangerous, as most people will read the title and watch the video assuming the milk is tainted. however the video gives no evidence in about the quality of the milk.

[iamgoddard]

@superscheu, the woman speaking in the video, according to the translation, says the children were pressured (psychologically forced) to drink what their parents believed to be contaminated. The issue is you don't have a problem with that and Ryan does. Most of the disagreements on nuclear are not so much over facts as ethics.

There is another report of such here /watch?v=z9db7Omen70#t=8m8s

Different foods are described so it may be a different case. We probably won't get in-class-room video.

[superscheu]

@iamgoddard That's not the issue. the issue is if the milk is truly contaminated. if it's not contaminated it's a situation of a teacher being an asshole. if it is contaminated it's a much bigger issue.

the video never says that the students were forced to drink contaminated milk. the video has a woman telling a story about a lawyer/mother who told her children to not drink milk. the kids refused and the teacher over reacted.

[iamgoddard]

@superscheu, if "over reacting" means forcing children to drink what their parents have instructed them not to drink, than some of us have a problem with that. I've already been over that, your just saying you don't care again. That tactics described constitute social force in the given context.

[superscheu]

@iamgoddard i'm agreeing that the teacher was wrong. i'm disagreeing that we can simply accept that Japan is condoning children to drink radioactive milk like the title of the video suggests. it's the difference between condeming an entire nation or the actions of a single or a few individuals... all i'm asking for is proof, not just speculation and assumptions

[superscheu]

@iamgoddard the translation in English is a little off, but even with the English translations there is no finite evidence that supports the title. and there is no evidence provided that the milk the children drank wasn't imported from a different prefecture with non contaminated milk.

[freedomwv]

@iamgoddard Thanks for the back up. Yeah, I got a BIG problem with forcing kids to drink something parents don't want them to drink. As for me, I am avoiding anything coming from that area. I don't want any milk from the Fukushima area. The supermarket in the local hood here in Adachi-ku Tokyo is selling Fukushima milk for about 90 yen and people still will not buy it.

[iamgoddard]

@superscheu, it also seems that you're saying, if the source of food is unknown, and thus might be contaminated with nuclear waste, then it should be fed to children. Some people want their children to be healthy.

[superscheu]

@iamgoddard the source of the food is unknown in the video, but it's not a matter of it might. it either is or it isn't. if it is then the video is justified. if it not then the video is incorrectly labeled. but again, as far as I know they're testing the food served in schools, they always do that, and have been doing it even more stringently since the disaster, so the logic says they wouldn't serve contaminated milk...

[superscheu]

@iamgoddard but again... if we can find evidence that doesn't require a leap of assumption that gross negligence is happening then please point every one in that direction and put the issue to bed.

[freedomwv]

@superscheu I really cannot tell if you are trolling at this point or not but you seem to be hell bent on pushing this as far as you can. okay. Look for a video titled,in all capsRADIATION FOUND IN JAPAN MILK AND SPINACH

You should be able to find it pretty easy. 

[superscheu]

@freedomwv it's not trolling to ask for supporting data for something as serious as this. Reading the report, it says that once they found contamination the spinach shipments were suspended. It would be logical to assume that the milk would be suspended as well. According to the data, if you drank that milk every day for a year would give you about as much radiation as a single CT scan. Still... more radiation than I want to get from my milk or salad.

[freedomwv]

@superscheu Exactly! Which is why forcing kids to drink something their parents are pretty such is bad for them is fucked up. Again, I avoid everything coming out of the Fukushima area. It is clear that plant has puked out a tons of radiation. When I saw that massive explosion in the easy days of the situation I knew at that point that everything in that area should not be eaten or drank. Better safe than sorry.

[superscheu]

@freedomwv I was never disagreeing with you on that point. I just wanted someone to have evidence that the milk being served was in face from Fukushima. You're giving parents credit for being infallible. I'm not saying the mom wasn't right, but I also can't say she wasn't wrong. Fukushima accounts for 1.3% of Japan's milk production. How do we know the milk served at that school wasn't from a different prefecture? All moot, cuz they shouldn't be living there for... what's the half life of Cs137?

[superscheu]

@freedomwv and their example is also assuming that milk is the only source of heightened radiation that you're consuming. I agree that those places should be evacuated. And that food shouldn't be shipped or consumed if produced in the effected areas. I believe that stuff is slipping through the cracks. I haven't been shown any evidence though, that supports my fears.

[superscheu]

@freedomwv this is an emotional topic, but what it has going for it is the human element, not evidence that children were forced to drink contaminated milk. we had radioactive beef here in Fukuoka, and it caused a stir. if you can find more evidence that would be best, because the video that you link is disturbing because it shows politicians as douche bags, but that's not surprising, it's essentially an incorrect or unquantified headline that misrepresents the information in the video

[freedomwv]

@superscheu I think it has already been est. that since the beef is no good then the milk must also be no good. It is common logic. I avoid milk from that area and for good reason. Every one should not be drinking and eating anything from effected areas of Japan for many years to come.

[superscheu]

@freedomwv it hasn't been established and it isn't common logic. if the milk is contaminated i would assume logically that they're not sending it to the schools without testing it to make sure it's safe... if you have evidence that that is happening then that needs to be shared and I'll even help you. as far as the reports I've seen and been told about they are testing all food coming out of Fukushima pretty stringently.

[AluminumStudios]

I live in Japan too and agreed, agreed, and AGREED! The politicians attitudes are disgusting as well as the cultural pressure to not protect yourself or to take any actions. My coworkers give me funny looks and make comments because I take lunch to work now rather than ordering lunch boxes (and I'm an adult!) Maybe my problem was telling them that I didn't trust many of the lunch box ingredients since Fukushima happened. Either way it's the wrong response to survive this disaster.

[freedomwv]

@AluminumStudios The Japanese leaders are stone walling the truth which is in front of everyone's eyes. The leadership are showing themselves to be out-of-date old men who prefer to take Japan down to the pits of hell rather than admit they are wrong and work to find real solutions.

[GoddardsJournal]

Thanks for your thoughts! Much agreement! I have several reports of children being compelled to eat contaminated foods in Japan linked on my profile.

How more insane could things get?! If a child's parents have instructed that they not to eat specific more-dangerous food items, the school has no place interfering and compelling that they eat what their parents don't want them to. It's ethically analogous to some thug forcing kids to use drugs.

[freedomwv]

@GoddardsJournal I think this comes from the fact that Japan still has a very strong sense of the ideology of WW2 Japan. I know that sounds a bit odd but it seems that when ever the people of Japan question the leadership they are laughed at and old to obey or else face harsh reaction.

[iamgoddard]

What's wrong with that mother, leaders say "all's safe" therefore "all's safe." =\

[freedomwv]

@iamgoddard I checked out some of your videos displaying your art. You are a very good artist. Maybe you could draw something to remember the lives of all the kids who have had their lives ruined by the actions taken by the government of Japan.

[iamgoddard]

@freedomwv, thanks! My other channel (also commenting here) has a piece of digital art I made addressing exactly that issue.

Thanks again for addressing this issue. If there are any anti-nuke protests in Tokyo that you could attend, that might make for a good video. Too bad that's there's no more and larger protests, but at least there've been some.

[iamgoddard]

@iamgoddard, a few minutes after I wrote that hoping for more protests in Japan, I stumbled upon this report:

Thousands rally for Fukushima compensation

AFP: Thousands of people angered by Japan's nuclear power plant accident have rallied in Fukushima to demand full compensation for victims of the crisis, and swift decontamination of their neighbourhoods.

Sunday's rally was attended by about 10,000 people, organisers estimated.

[freedomwv]

@iamgoddard I went to a night time anti-nuclear protest in Shibuya back August. I really need a full on regular camera so I can do reports from the street. That is the next step for me. I am saving up my money for a decent regular camera. Right now I have a nice web cam so at least I can do reports from my house. Thanks for the support. I look forward to your comments in the future.