It seems like she is blurring the lines between determinism and free-will.
If choice exists, than free will exists. If choice exists than the difference between rape and sex is clear. If choice does not exist, than the difference between rape and sex is not clear.
We're all slaves to our own brain chemicals & emotional instincts, eh? Puppets bound by "what is in our nature"?
If that were true;
We'd murder everyone who cuts us off in traffic,
have sex with every person we find attractive,
always eat the worst, yet best tasting food known to man,
drink like fishes and smoke like trains.
To say people aren't in control of themselves, spits in the faces of faithful spouses, recovering alcoholics and others who CHOOSE the right path every day.
That's absurd conclusion and extreme simplification. Why would we do that ?
1) You assume those things are "in our nature".
2) You assume that not doing these things is a proof of existence of free will.
3) Which means you don't allow the possibility that there are other things going on in our brain that interact with all the desires you mentioned. Things that would make us "CHOOSE the right path".
ASSUME those things are in our nature? Are you serious?
Besides a plethora of wars and witch burnings throughout medieval history, does the "Holocaust" ring a bell? The Japanese Occupation of China? How about child soldiers in Uganda? Or maybe the fact that the U.S. wiped out 95% of the entire Indian population?
Yeah....I think it's safe to say violence is in our nature.
As for the divorce rate, it's close to being 1 out of 2 and infidelity is the #1 reason. Human nature again.
1) You assume those things are in nature of people who don't do them.
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To me, the real issue is whether absence of free will diminishes meaning and value of personality and human values. I agree wit ZOMGitsChriss that it doesn't.
Kinda like absolute morality: I don't think it exists, but that doesn't make me a sociopath with no concept of morality or empathy.
So no, I don't think I / we spit in anyone's face.
Well being that I'm still an avid believer of free will, I'm glad your motive was to keep the sanctity of human beings in tact. High five!!
In conclusion, I usually don't argue a whole lot on these things because I look at the end point:
If I finally convinced you that free will did exist, or you convinced me that it didn't.....I'm pretty sure our lives would change NONE other than we would argue on the internet a lot less and maybe get out a lot more. LOL!
Thankfully most of the world CHOSE to evolve and is now much more peaceful than even 100 yrs ago.
Anyway, I really feel sorry for some of you, not in a condescending way, but genuinely because when I see humans interact, like a dad picking up one of his daughters & giving her a great big hug & kiss, I see a great man who chose to be a great father & loving person who didn’t take the route of abuse, drugs or alcohol. But all you see is the process of brain circuitry and muscle contractions.
So smart and articulate yet she forgot the word purr. Ya she was tired. Then again I don't even know one word in Romanian, so I can't say anything. That's why I typed it.
What about racism that is based in science? Have you ever looked up race and IQ statistics? Does it not prove that not all races are equally intelligent? What about cold hard statistics on crime, STDs, academic performance, government leeching, economic performance and various other social statistics? Do they not prove that not all races are equally civilized? I used to be anti-racist. But I couldn't ignore the black and white facts staring me in the face or my own world travels.
@TaskForceSixTwoSix There is no published statistic that proves a correlation between race (which isn't even a scientific concept actually) and IQ. As for the rest -academic , have performance. crime or economic standing of minorities - have you heard of the theory of social labeling? Basically it's a self fulfilling profecy, not really a natural occurence.
@ThatBookGirl Nope. There is. Go Google Image "Race and IQ Charts" right now and see the data for yourself.
Or go read "The Bell Curve" or "IQ and the Wealth of Nations" to learn more.
The reason why race, intelligence and civility aren't discussed more openly and objectively within the scientific community and academia is obvious. Just look at what happened to James D. Watson when he expressed politically incorrect truths on this topic...
As to your "social labeling" theory, the evidence simply lines up better with the IQ data.
The lower your IQ, the worse you do economically, socially, and the more you struggle academically.
Certain races like blacks and non-White hispanics don't just struggle in America, but anywhere they live in the world.
And if being a racial minority by itself is enough to make you a failure, then why do Whites, Ashkenazi Jews and East Asians thrive virtually everywhere?
@TaskForceSixTwoSix If you raise an african child in good environment, provide him with good education and opportunities he'll grow up fine.
The thing about minorities in mostly white countries is that a lot of them live in bad neighborhoods and are quite poor. And for people living in 3rd world countries that are not white- again, mostly lack of opportunities, good education.
BTW if you'd actually care for studies you'd know that the only race is the human race.
@offwithurhead But black students already recieve more funding per student than White students. And education standards have been lowered repeatedly for them to try to prevent them from flunking out of school at chronic rates (so their influence is actually dumbing down the other races). Blacks and other low IQ races like non-White hispanics tend to do poorly on tests so education systems are being reformed to put less importance on testing to help them graduate. Etc.
Low IQ races like non-White hispanics also tend to have extremely high behavorial problems such as violence, drug use and disruptive behavior. So, school systems in response to chronic expulsion rates have had to weaken punishments for behavior in an effort to keep them in school. Acceptance standards for schools have also been dramatically lowered for low IQ races. Blacks were getting into Ivy League schools with 1100 SAT scores while people with 1600 scores were rejected...
@TaskForceSixTwoSix You are hopeless. Go to Texas and you'll see how low the IQ of white people can be. If you were to take a baby away from Texas and raise him in a normal place he may grow up somewhat less ignorant of a fuck. But again, I see there is no point in this discussion.
@offwithurhead Perception and reality are 2 different things. Yeah, White people in the South and Middle America might be stereotyped as "White Trash". But if you look at their IQ statistics, they're actually quite smart. Even "rednecks" out in the middle of nowhere still have 100+ IQs, high academic standards, low violent crime rates, etc. And I know that Texans get stereotyped as being imbred and backwards, but check out their statistics online. Texans are quite successful.
Eben your thoughts would be deterministic. They too are the result of chemical and physical interactions, a pre-existing possible response to an outward or inward stimulus. This response is a balance of genes and environment, both of which are subject to strict chemical and physical laws. The environment to which you are responding is too. It's strange to think that someone could have calculated and predicted (given a super-computer) I'm writing this down right now.
If everything in this Universe is subject to the laws of physics, then every small event is but a chemical or physical reaction that happens in an unalterable manner. Large events are but the sum of all these small events. Every action you take is the result of some chemical interactions (in your body) responding to other chemical interaction. That would mean the entire Universe, everything you do, every move you make, is completely deterministic and theoretically calculable.
Free will or not, I think randomness may govern everything, and the law of big numbers is what hides this randomness for large systems as ourselves. Watch this video: "Why Quantum Mechanics ends the Free Will debate!"
I like the fact you are free thinker . Stand up for what you believe to be the truth . Finding true happiess should be main goal in one life . The pursuit of happness. To have joy and peace in one heart . At Same time , You can not see the wind but do you believe that it is there ? science should go hand and hand to teach the truth. At one time Scienist believe world was flat . Is the world flat ?
I have been making these same fucking arguments forever. There is nothing more annoying than the free will argument. Mental illness, impulse, moods, resources, knowledge, all kinds of circumstances are part of our will. Searle makes the same arguments. Our will exists, but it is both free and not free.
Free will.. to work, is that it causes unemployment. Because of the first man/woman that finally did something, the word unemployment started to exist. Atheists always look at the bad things of love. When you create something, bad shit happens. It's not fare, because they're obligated to look at what's happening. Atheism is jealousy. Atheists can't say "oh that is great", they can blame, because they can't do it.
wow. okay, i'll try, and i know you're married so i'll just let go of my TOTAL INFATUATION and try to make some sense here...
while the arguments against freewill are extremely hard to refute, the fact remains that my subjective experience of it is convincingly real. the part of the neurological process with which i identify myself ("i") enjoys the illusion that it is the originator of my actions. the illusion of effort, for example, is utterly convincing; if i don't try, nothing happens...
Erm, I think free will is an illusion. I believe one's actions in life are subject to cause and effect ie I want to make some youtube videos therefore I set up a youtube account for example. People do have will but its not 100% free I dont think.
This isn't relevant to your video but when I was a baby some gypsies offered my mom some horses for me... I don't know if they were Romanian gypsies who were for some reason visiting Washington but yeah... weird stuff.
For me, the idea of determinism in the wake of scientific research about the beginning of the universe falls short of answering the big question: if our "decisions" are all pre-made based on factors in our environment that are in turn caused by prior factors, what does all this lead back to? In essence, what was the first cause? Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
@Minecraft4life1000 If solipsism is true, the deterministic nature of the universe is a red herring. There are different versions of solipsism, some involving freewill and others involving fate, but none with the same type of deterministic fate she is talking about in the video.
The point I was trying to make is that although the evidence points towards determinism, it can never resolve the fate/freewill dichotomy... You just may have a soul after all...
@ChickityChoice Solipsism is simply the belief that one's self is the only thing that exists, that has absolutely no bearing on determinism or free will.
Sol (Solar)- The sun, and everything goes around it. If one is solipsistic, one believes that the world 'revolves around them' so to speak (Like the sun).
@Minecraft4life1000 Solipsism and determinism are not confluent ideas... Not sure if you disagree with that, or if you don't see that consequences of it...
Seriously though, THANKYOU. The amount of conversations I've had with fairly intelligent, non-religous, SCIENTIFIC people who just can't accept that all is cause and effect just boggles my mind.
I could write an essay on the subject right now my head is buzzing so much hehe. Keep up the vids. Always nice to basically see my thoughts echoed from the mouth of such a good looking girl. And that accent... There's another essay ^^
Agree with a lot of this, but not the crucial bit - blameworthiness and praiseworthiness. If we're causally determined then although we still make decisions (we still deliberate and make decisions as a result of going through that deliberative process) it doesn't make sense to consider us 'deserving' of blame and punishment. The other (incoherent) kind of free will is needed for that. We don't have it - but that means we need to rethink our practices.
Also, I would associate randomness with freewill. A random event is an unexpected event (not unpredictable, that is just a misconception of the term random). For an event to happen freely it would have to be unexpected. If events are causally determined we can expect them. Earthquakes, for example, are unpredictable. Yet we expect them to happen. The same applies to volcanoes and terrorist attacks. There is no such a thing as unexpected events, thus meaning there are no free events.
should be locked up or killed( personally I say killed), not because he or she deserves to, but because of the well being of others. It's for self-preservation.
There probably are some people who claim to be hard-determinists who say that are decisions are determined. These people are wrong though causal determinism does not say that are decisions are determined, but that our wants or desires are determined by prior events. I would say that we still have the ability to choose out of one option. Because of this not one person deserves anything on the contrary to popular belief. This does not mean that people should not be dealt with. A murderer
Also, I don't really believe much of anything can be definitively proven. I like to believe in free will, as in we all have the ability to make our own decisions, but I had never really considered the fact that our decision are in fact a mental response to outside stimuli. I suppose, ultimately, the concept of "free will" is actually poorly defined as it seems to be different here in the United States than it is there in Romania.
I agree with you absolutely on this. That is to say, there is not even one aspect of this issue that we disagree on even slightly. It really amuses me that some people spend their lives studying philosophy and still manage to be wrong about this.
Free will does not exist. The very concept, when examined closely, does not really make any fucking sense.
Even if we assume a supernatural mind, it still needs inner workings, otherwise it would be pure randomness. These inner workings decide, depending on a metric fuckton of information, what you want and what you will do. The will is therefore not truly free, EVER. Truly free will would be pure randomness and would make no fucking sense. It doesn't exist.
@ParaSpite exactly right. Some of the smartest peeps on this planet who are studying the nature of reality believe that the WHOLE thing is COMPUTABLE. Anyway even if there was true randomness (which I agree would make no sense) that doesn't enable "free will" to exist, it would only enable random shit to happen.
@vonkruel Actually, you can shift the meaning of the words "free will" a little, so it makes sense.
If free will means that the will is decided only by the inner workings of the mind (including memories and collected information) and no outside influences (deceit, mind control, brainwashing), then the term makes sense again.
But this also causes problems: would willfully taken drugs temporarily disable/change your free will? Does religion count as brainwashing in this context? (I think it does.)
@ParaSpite That's the best way of trying to make sense of it, but as you point out it's still problematic then. I think it's best to just say that we're "free" to the extent that we can make our own decisions and are not slaves. We may be machines that make decisions, and our decisions may be crappy, but they're still OUR decisions.
I wonder what % of "pro philosophers" are on the right side of this thing?
About the whole universe being computable: Couldn't the universe be interpreted as one big computer program, with the computer being reality? I think this interpretation is valid, interesting and absolutely irrelevant all at the same time. XD
@ParaSpite this interpretation can't be ruled out. The only problem I have with it is that the computer running this giant simulation we call reality would have be running in an actual reality of its own. Or, if not, ultimately there would have to be some actual reality where a giant computer running the "root" simulation (which simulates a computer simulating a reality). My gut feeling is that this interpretation is probably not right, but I sure can't disprove it.
@ParaSpite Maybe I misinterpreted what you wrote. I was thinking in terms of an actual computer running a simulation of a reality, which only _seems_ real to us because we're trapped inside the simulation. This can't be ruled out.
If you define free will as free from any causal influence, then free will becomes incoherent. How could you ever argue in favour of it?
If you want to say that free will is being able to choose other than you did ..what test could you ever conduct to prove that one way or another?
If we are to speak of "I" or "me" at all, then "I" is the totallity of all the events/ ingredients/ experiences that have impacted on me thus far. If "I" choose, in what sense was my choice not free?
Mm there's laws of nature and there's laws of men, within these confines lie our freedoms. 100 % freedom is what nature allows as far as your mentally/physically able, human laws are there to put borders on full freedom to prevent crime. Lawless communities on the other hand tend to breed more criminals, since nothing stops them from doing so. In the end the ability to make up your own mind is what I call free will, whatever enviroment and education you come from..
@diekerel Reality is ofcourse more complicated, but I think this is the broad idea of it. Also on a sidenote I think that those nationalists were in fact nazi's, aaaand I'm pretty sure this is gonna be ignored and will vanish in the commentbox whatsoever, but anyways cheers to bring up so much interesting subjects. Helped me get through a few dull hours.
First off, you don't look like any crap I've ever had. You are very lovely. As for the free will, it is the fact that we question it instead of embrace reality/the known that is the problem. I've seen some of your videos on religion and this free will business is similar. Instead of questioning where we come from, question who you are now. Instead of asking if there is free will, realize what you are capable of. Once you do that, the question of free will becomes obsolete and silly.
But if free will doesn't exist, that means that god predetermines weather or not one goes to hell. (when I became truithfully aware of this I knew that I clouldnt believein god)
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If you are the only human surrounded by millions of monkeys they'll never accept you until you eat shit like they do, and even if you do it they'll still consider themselves superior to you. Build a boat, set sail and go look for other humans
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In the end, ones will is to chose how to handle their own personal fate. We are our own person. As the saying goes, "He /She is never going to change". However we can mold ourselves into our environment and adapt who we are to that situation. Inside, our behaviors and person our still the same. Just evolved into a newer form of what we once were.
I believe in Evolution, I am cultural not religious. Might is Right!
As for us being a product of our environment. This might not be completely true. I believe that we are all born with a certain base. This base is made up of traits inherent in your personal Folk. A collective unconscious memory of your ancestral past. From that we are changed further by our environment and that leads to the individualization of the self.
Take Maslow's hierarchy of needs. The lower on the chart we are the more Nature we are, as we climb we meet a more Nurture side.
I liked your take on free will. I believe that our lives are predestined to a certain beginning and end and throughout all of life's choices we have a limited number of outcomes we can decide from, but ultimately those choices are not random or without inherent design.
well in a christian sense of free will there are actions that are accepted as right and wrong the end result of choosing wrong is punishment which is like slavery we can do what our master tells us to and we dont get burned so saying we have free will is complete hipocracy seeing as that we in a sense are all slaves to a being that forces us to act a certain way
Basicaly this means that it should be insulting to be called you behave as a gypsy or referred to as gypsy - ergo thief, lier, pimp, criminal, person with lack of hygiene etc. Its normal I think. If they wanted to offend you saying you are a gypsy, they were not referring directly to the ethnicity but to a metaphorical meaning leading to their common behavior, unacceptable to most people. For instance if lets say Italians were known for such a behavior it would be very same with - u Italian
In your and also my country gypsies have this reputation of being thieves, lyers, street beggars, law breakers you name it. So isn't it obvious that a word gypsy is being commonly used as an insult? First of all this term became offensive after some time when those lets say people moved to European territory exactly because of general reputation of this ethnic group. Secondly the insultive term was named after this ethnic group according to their behaviour and not vice versa.
I'm a hard determinist, and I don't think we have any choice in our actions. We cannot be held responsible for our decisions, except in the sense of identifying that some person did some action, e.g., person A made action A. But person A did not choose to make action A by an act of conscious action, rather the brain created the illusion that choice was made consciously.
there is no real free will, it is all perception. an illusion of free will, but to be totally free, one could not really think about a decision or about what they want to do in a situation. and that is just impossible. so every thought is imposed on a person's brain, and conscious, and that is not free will. and gypsy? well, i know you have been called worse on your channel, and sorry about that, i know the stupidity that can happen, especially on the name calling front.
Science seems to be coming up with evidence that we do not have free will and that our choices are unconscious processes that we are become aware of after they have been made. Free will surely means we have a conscious choice. Could we possibly have unconscious free will ? Determinism does not mean everything is predetermined and that somehow we could predict the future if we had a massive computer. here are random elements in the world , not least other people and events in nature.
You didn't come across to me as tired. You sound wide awake. I see the logic in what you say, and part of me agrees, but part of me can't stop thinking about how strange consciousness is. If consciousness is just a product of the brain then I'll have to see man create a robot that is self aware before I'm convinced, or else the brain contains something profound and beyond our understanding of nature.
@superman83080 I don't see why fingerprints prove Gods existence, but the golden ratio is just a mathematical way of explaining why we find certain people more attractive then others. It's one of those primal urge things. And really when you get down to it everything we know of can be expressed in math
I can't watch any of her videos all the way through.... I can't stand the fact that she's so good looking and intelligent at the same time so much so that part of my brain feels like it's sinking into one of those two month depression things I get where I lose track of that two months and didn't realize time was moving... I have never really met a very intellectual person anywhere near that where I live. let alone an intelligent girl...
@superman83080 Fingerprints are a form iof natural grip, and at some stage in our evoloution we evolved to have them in the position they are in, as to help with picking things up, etc. I dont see what they would have to do with a god though.
free will .... well you could have chose to NOT make a video you obviously cannot choose something that is impossible but you still make choices and sometimes other people might try to stop you from making a choice but they can only try and my point is there is no invisible force that can MAKE you do something that you do not wish to do
free will isn't real, our every action is the product of cause and effect. If you offer me a ham sandwich and I refuse this was not free will, it was cause and effect. The electrical impulses that ham sends to my brain when eaten are not appealing to me therefore I don't like ham therefore I will reject ham. Yes, I can eat it anyway but that would be cause and effect as well. i could be proving a point or being polite, either would be a cause the effect being I eat the ham sandwich.
It is believed that this indicates that the majority of our actions does not reach our conciousness and are executed via emotional autopilot. it is also believed that when something reaches our conciousness we have the ability to react to it.
ex 1: a branch is about to hit you in the head. you duck by reflex. not free will
ex 2: you have a gun to the head of the man who raped your daughter... the decision to shoot or not reaches ur conciousness and you can make a free will decision.
there has been experiments where they hooked up a man to a machine measuring his brain activity (fMRI), when hooked up to this machine he was suppose to reach out and grab an item. they could show that the brain started a sequence seconds before he counciously knew he was gonna grab the item. seconds before he actually made the concious decision to grab the item his brain had started the sequence to reach out and grab it...
Free Will is an illusion. Of what good is free will when I control all the choices available to you?? If I locked you in a house with only rice, pizza, and broiled chicken for food, would you say you had free will to choose what to eat??
@obviouslyso yes, because you still have different choices, just like you have the free will to dig a tunnel to get the f*ck out of there, or the free will to starve and die painfully, or the free will to eat them all at once!
@TheFlames376 Hmmmmm. So I lock you, TheFlames, in a 20ft thick granite box with the above mentioned edibles for food. Can you use your free will to eat fish? If I did not provide a TV, can you use your free will to listen to your favourite news channel? In those areas, I have 'ultimate' control over your choices. Regardless of what you do, I know the end result of all of them. If I poisoned the food stuffs differently, no matter what you choose, you'll still be poisoned in the end when you eat.
@obviouslyso HOWEVER, i still have the free will not to eat the food if so pleased, your arent understanding the concept of free will, unless you have a mind controlling device attached to my brain, then i will ALWAYS have free will
@TheFlames376 note that I said 'when' you eat. Of course you can choose to starve to death. That is part of the equation. You can choose to start eating your fingers and toes first. That is part of it too. You can beat your head on the walls in an effort to pass out so you won't eat. All factored in. I don't need to have a mind controlling device plugged to your skull. When you eventually get tired of fighting it, if you don't twist your neck before hand, you will eat. Either way, you die...
@obviouslyso yes, however i can CHOOSE how i die, no matter what you say i still have choice, no matter what you do i will always have an option, sorry but like i said, unless you have a mind controlling device, then i will always play my part, and my part is whatever the hell i want it to be!
Like animals i think the majority of our decisions are made by emotional autopilot, driven by desire/fear and so on. Unlike animals we have the ability to contemplate our decisions and think about our existense, this inteligence comes into play the very few times where we actually make a decision based on free will and not on emotion.
If a decision can be influenzed or not doesnt prove anything about free will. it just shows that we have influenzes that affect us in our lives.
YOU KNOW THE ONLY REASON I AND EVERYONE ELSE IS HEAR IS BECAUSE YOUR BEUTIFULLOOPS. THERE IS SOMETHING wrong with this . you are useing your looks to pull people in that is wrong. you are no great philosipher if you would shut it u might learn something your looks do not make you smart u r manic pressured speech u r the kind of woman that needs a home to go to when a man is finished with u
Okay I love this girl but I can't listen to this truthfully. I love her and I dont wanna start a fight but yea this kinda annoys me. I try to sty away from religious videos cus a big fight starts and people get hurt. I dont wanna get in it.
FIRST OFF, i would like to say, that this is the best self made clip on free will that I have ever watched, points well made and reasonable. (trust me when i say i watched many) we are very similiar in our thinking to this topic. so i thought I would shsre a clip I made 2 minutes before seeing yours. but not as creative as yours.
To sidetrack slightly, determinism does not imply predictability since predictability relies on having a complete knowledge of the state of everything in the universe at every instant which is ruled out by the finite propagation-of-light speed. I think this is where the idea of randomness and apparent free will is given credence. I have no doubt that I was destined to make this comment at this (which?) moment.
Read he Epilogue to Tolstoi's War and Peace from chapter VIII to the end. He has a very complex and elaborate approach to free will in connection to defining the concept of power. It's too vast a demonstration for me to try and resume it here, however I think it will prove a worthy read.
I'll bite. I'm what you would refer to as "hardcore" determinist. I think we fundamentally agree, except for a bit of ambiguity. You may have backtracked a bit to ensure people are still held accountable for their actions even without free will. This is unnecessary, since agents can be held responsible regardless of whether or not their actions are free. Think Terminator :)
We have 'libre arbitre' in french, which seems to be the same term you have. As for my perception of free will, I'm leaning more towards determinism, because our actions are based on the environment and events that preceded them. But the very fact that we are conscious of that behaviour means we always have a choice and can always, no matter how tough, make a decision that is right for us. It is never extracted from the event, but it's never completely driven by it either.
@Aemys you make a good point, but choice and will are not the same.
choice is driven by fear or love for something. fear or love are factores that you recieved from your enviroment and upbringings. the enviroment is an outside cause, there for you have no control over it.
My view of free will is simple "Choice" I can choose to do A or I can choose to do B that is free will. Now yes I do agree with you that you make your choice based on the events leading up to it or past experience but regardless it is still a choice
If every action were driven by conscious agency then we would be overwhelmed by the effort of trying to control all the relevant parameters. So the idea of determinism only works for simple choices, for more complex ones where the validity of the data must be assessed to ones own ability. We are constrained and indeterminate
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Wouldn't randomness exempt one from being determined
You do not have full control of your brain so saying you are your brain is wrong as the brain has many unconscious controls such as moderation of the temperature of the body, and if u are a deductive materialist, u are only a small section of ur brain with limited control
@Tenkin12 I agree with you, our consciousness is only the tip of the iceberg, everything else is unconscious and we cannot control it.
Instead of throwing people in jail or executing them I'd have them make a psychoanalysis and let the psychologists help them solve their inner turmoil.
I don't think free will exists in any transcendent sense - I'm fine with my thoughts and decisions being strictly deterministically caused by brain activity, and the evidence supports it rather strongly.
However, it sure /feels/ like I have free will - like you said, I /am/ my brain (loosely speaking). That being the case, it still makes sense to hold people accountable for their actions.
See? No conflict. :-D
(oh, and I love the Romanian distinction between volition and abstract "free will")
FREEWILL IS FREE WILL. IF U R DEFENDING FREEWILL THAN U CANNOT VERY WELL GET MAD AT THE CUNTS THAT TORTURE ANIMALS AND FUCK BABIES TO DEATH RIGHT? I MEAN, COS THEY CAAAAN DO IT RIIIGHT? I AGREE WITH YOU ON EVERYTHING I HAVE SEEN YOU SAY SO FAR. < YES, THAT SOUNDS LIKE I DONT HAVE A BRAIN BUT OH WELL, U TAKE THE WAORDS RIGHT OUTTA MY MOUTH! KEEP MAKIN VIDS& BEING CANDID.
better you don't talk about nationalism or racism,you are just brainwashed with typical leftist propaganda of the west,i can see it and i didn't even listened your opinions bout it.yeah envirolment creates what we are but it's their option to remain the crap they are and not to change,they don't want to change,why would anyone like gypsies?they are disgosting peoples,you can call me bigot or those 21 century key words just like the ancient heretic or commie counter revolutionary,facts are facts.
In the discussion between full Determinism and absolute free will it does make sense to assume free will even though it is unlikely to exist. Why? Because if it doesn't exist then it doesn't matter anyway, since even if we wrongly believe that it does, we were predetermined to do so and couldn't have helped it anyway.
Criss, it is impossible for you to look like crap. And your cat appears to be wonderful. So, ok, you convince me that all my thoughts and feelings of love and beauty are nothing but chemical reactions in my brain and have no reality except in my own delusions. What have I gained by this truth? How am I improved? How are you better off with this sad philosophy that only brings you closer to the void? Does the truth really always set you free? The cost of truth is very high here.
@Ardalla555 The underlying biological mechanism by which I feel love does not in any way cheapen my transcendent experience of love. Likewise, the underlying biological determinism doesn't alter our experience of free will. We're still making decisions - the only difference is that our decisions are (in theory) perfectly predictable from a complete knowledge of brain state a few moments earlier. I don't really see this as a depressing thing.
I think even randomness is based on previous events- at least in the case of 'random' thoughts. If at some point in your life you've decided that bananas, fish or cats wearing top-hats are random and then you try to think randomly, you tend to think of something you have already decided is 'random'. Normally if I try to prove myself to be unpredictable or random I think of a monkey, but now I've written this, I'll probably think of a cat in a top hat. With a monocle for good measure..
(Not so) Quick question: When you say "free will" is this 'the ability to do anything without regard to circumstance or consequence', or are is it 'the ability to select an action based on the limited choices provided by the circumstance and the self-imposed desire to mitigate consequence'?
I'm just getting into this sort of stuff, but I get feel that determinism is the macro and free will is the micro. You can act within the confines of reality and you can, by degrees, change your reality.
Of course there is free will, but as limited individual beings our willpower is likewise limited and individual. If you group individuals together their collective will can be even more powerful - or they can bolster the willpower of a "leader," etc.
As with everything (it seems to me) there is a balance between all things. There is no black and white, no absolute. There are both forces we can do nothing against and also choices we can make that can be profound and significant.
this free will thing is complicated. To the best of our knowledge, we are the only entities capable of actually weighing and considering a choice in complicated detail, though other mammals and some birds also have some ability to make complicated choices other than by instinct. So, are our minds complicated enough that we break past deterministic? And into probabilistic? That at least seems more likely, but does that qualify as free will?
The universe itself is the only "computer" capable of doing this. The universe is the only system capable of "predicting" its own future. It is therefore not possible to verify free will (or the lack thereof). I'd like to continue this discussion, but I'm running out of characters. Can we do this elsewhere?
It seems like she is blurring the lines between determinism and free-will.
If choice exists, than free will exists. If choice exists than the difference between rape and sex is clear. If choice does not exist, than the difference between rape and sex is not clear.
KyleSkullz 6 days ago
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1:49 brain processing all this information, when you could have said "me taking all of this into account" INTELLIGENT FOR THE SAKE OF IT
TheSchemer1 1 week ago
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TheSchemer1 1 week ago
I agree with pretty much everything you say :) Subscirbed
AlmoTrademark 1 week ago
Hilarious!
We're all slaves to our own brain chemicals & emotional instincts, eh? Puppets bound by "what is in our nature"?
If that were true;
We'd murder everyone who cuts us off in traffic,
have sex with every person we find attractive,
always eat the worst, yet best tasting food known to man,
drink like fishes and smoke like trains.
To say people aren't in control of themselves, spits in the faces of faithful spouses, recovering alcoholics and others who CHOOSE the right path every day.
TranceViper 1 week ago 8
@TranceViper
"If that were true;
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That's absurd conclusion and extreme simplification. Why would we do that ?
1) You assume those things are "in our nature".
2) You assume that not doing these things is a proof of existence of free will.
3) Which means you don't allow the possibility that there are other things going on in our brain that interact with all the desires you mentioned. Things that would make us "CHOOSE the right path".
skewCZ 6 days ago
@skewCZ
ASSUME those things are in our nature? Are you serious?
Besides a plethora of wars and witch burnings throughout medieval history, does the "Holocaust" ring a bell? The Japanese Occupation of China? How about child soldiers in Uganda? Or maybe the fact that the U.S. wiped out 95% of the entire Indian population?
Yeah....I think it's safe to say violence is in our nature.
As for the divorce rate, it's close to being 1 out of 2 and infidelity is the #1 reason. Human nature again.
TranceViper 6 days ago
@TranceViper
OK, I'll rephrase the 1st point then:
1) You assume those things are in nature of people who don't do them.
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To me, the real issue is whether absence of free will diminishes meaning and value of personality and human values. I agree wit ZOMGitsChriss that it doesn't.
Kinda like absolute morality: I don't think it exists, but that doesn't make me a sociopath with no concept of morality or empathy.
So no, I don't think I / we spit in anyone's face.
skewCZ 5 days ago
@skewCZ
Well being that I'm still an avid believer of free will, I'm glad your motive was to keep the sanctity of human beings in tact. High five!!
In conclusion, I usually don't argue a whole lot on these things because I look at the end point:
If I finally convinced you that free will did exist, or you convinced me that it didn't.....I'm pretty sure our lives would change NONE other than we would argue on the internet a lot less and maybe get out a lot more. LOL!
Good talking to you.
TranceViper 5 days ago
Thankfully most of the world CHOSE to evolve and is now much more peaceful than even 100 yrs ago.
Anyway, I really feel sorry for some of you, not in a condescending way, but genuinely because when I see humans interact, like a dad picking up one of his daughters & giving her a great big hug & kiss, I see a great man who chose to be a great father & loving person who didn’t take the route of abuse, drugs or alcohol. But all you see is the process of brain circuitry and muscle contractions.
TranceViper 6 days ago
its better to be spontaneous.
you know there is saying, that goes, "I Think therefore I Am".
zeryahu 2 weeks ago 3
Our lives are based on our decisions.
Our decisions are based on our personality
Which is located in our brain
Which is wired by our DNA
Which is the luck of the draw.
We dont really even make decisions....we just do what is in our nature.
Like robots....God's little Toy Soldiers.
HedgehogRebellion 3 weeks ago
So smart and articulate yet she forgot the word purr. Ya she was tired. Then again I don't even know one word in Romanian, so I can't say anything. That's why I typed it.
shabido1 3 weeks ago
It's really similar in spanish."Libre albedrio". I think that all latin lenguages have 2 ways to say "will".
marmjtin 3 weeks ago
What about racism that is based in science? Have you ever looked up race and IQ statistics? Does it not prove that not all races are equally intelligent? What about cold hard statistics on crime, STDs, academic performance, government leeching, economic performance and various other social statistics? Do they not prove that not all races are equally civilized? I used to be anti-racist. But I couldn't ignore the black and white facts staring me in the face or my own world travels.
TaskForceSixTwoSix 1 month ago in playlist Sense vs nonsense
@TaskForceSixTwoSix There is no published statistic that proves a correlation between race (which isn't even a scientific concept actually) and IQ. As for the rest -academic , have performance. crime or economic standing of minorities - have you heard of the theory of social labeling? Basically it's a self fulfilling profecy, not really a natural occurence.
ThatBookGirl 1 month ago
@ThatBookGirl Nope. There is. Go Google Image "Race and IQ Charts" right now and see the data for yourself.
Or go read "The Bell Curve" or "IQ and the Wealth of Nations" to learn more.
The reason why race, intelligence and civility aren't discussed more openly and objectively within the scientific community and academia is obvious. Just look at what happened to James D. Watson when he expressed politically incorrect truths on this topic...
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As to your "social labeling" theory, the evidence simply lines up better with the IQ data.
The lower your IQ, the worse you do economically, socially, and the more you struggle academically.
Certain races like blacks and non-White hispanics don't just struggle in America, but anywhere they live in the world.
And if being a racial minority by itself is enough to make you a failure, then why do Whites, Ashkenazi Jews and East Asians thrive virtually everywhere?
TaskForceSixTwoSix 1 month ago
@TaskForceSixTwoSix If you raise an african child in good environment, provide him with good education and opportunities he'll grow up fine.
The thing about minorities in mostly white countries is that a lot of them live in bad neighborhoods and are quite poor. And for people living in 3rd world countries that are not white- again, mostly lack of opportunities, good education.
BTW if you'd actually care for studies you'd know that the only race is the human race.
offwithurhead 4 weeks ago
@offwithurhead But black students already recieve more funding per student than White students. And education standards have been lowered repeatedly for them to try to prevent them from flunking out of school at chronic rates (so their influence is actually dumbing down the other races). Blacks and other low IQ races like non-White hispanics tend to do poorly on tests so education systems are being reformed to put less importance on testing to help them graduate. Etc.
TaskForceSixTwoSix 3 weeks ago
Low IQ races like non-White hispanics also tend to have extremely high behavorial problems such as violence, drug use and disruptive behavior. So, school systems in response to chronic expulsion rates have had to weaken punishments for behavior in an effort to keep them in school. Acceptance standards for schools have also been dramatically lowered for low IQ races. Blacks were getting into Ivy League schools with 1100 SAT scores while people with 1600 scores were rejected...
TaskForceSixTwoSix 3 weeks ago
And members of high IQ races are being systematically discriminated against in our education system so lower IQ races can have their spots.
And despite all these colossal efforts, black academic [lack of] performance is still pathetically low.
Why do blacks and non-White hispanics need this kind of heavy handed artificial boosts when East Asian racial minorities don't?
My answer is IQ. Yours I'm assuming is "culture" and racial discrimination...
TaskForceSixTwoSix 3 weeks ago
@TaskForceSixTwoSix Which is because they grew up in a fucking ghetto. If they grew up in a descent place it could be different.
I do realise arguing with racist douchebags is pointless and disappointing. :(
You fail as a human being.
offwithurhead 3 weeks ago
@offwithurhead And why do they grow up in crappy environments? Because they produce crappy environments...
TaskForceSixTwoSix 3 weeks ago
@TaskForceSixTwoSix You are hopeless. Go to Texas and you'll see how low the IQ of white people can be. If you were to take a baby away from Texas and raise him in a normal place he may grow up somewhat less ignorant of a fuck. But again, I see there is no point in this discussion.
offwithurhead 3 weeks ago
@offwithurhead Perception and reality are 2 different things. Yeah, White people in the South and Middle America might be stereotyped as "White Trash". But if you look at their IQ statistics, they're actually quite smart. Even "rednecks" out in the middle of nowhere still have 100+ IQs, high academic standards, low violent crime rates, etc. And I know that Texans get stereotyped as being imbred and backwards, but check out their statistics online. Texans are quite successful.
TaskForceSixTwoSix 3 weeks ago
@TaskForceSixTwoSix Please post links to those statistics, I want to know where you get your info from. Low violent crime rates? Compared to what?
offwithurhead 3 weeks ago
@offwithurhead Google "The Color of Crime".
TaskForceSixTwoSix 3 weeks ago
Hi, I'm chinese and your cat is very distracting and also highly adorable
BlackJeopardy 1 month ago
You Edomites are going Down! Get ready for Slavery!
Jacobrise7 1 month ago
Eben your thoughts would be deterministic. They too are the result of chemical and physical interactions, a pre-existing possible response to an outward or inward stimulus. This response is a balance of genes and environment, both of which are subject to strict chemical and physical laws. The environment to which you are responding is too. It's strange to think that someone could have calculated and predicted (given a super-computer) I'm writing this down right now.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 1 month ago
If everything in this Universe is subject to the laws of physics, then every small event is but a chemical or physical reaction that happens in an unalterable manner. Large events are but the sum of all these small events. Every action you take is the result of some chemical interactions (in your body) responding to other chemical interaction. That would mean the entire Universe, everything you do, every move you make, is completely deterministic and theoretically calculable.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 1 month ago
Free will or not, I think randomness may govern everything, and the law of big numbers is what hides this randomness for large systems as ourselves. Watch this video: "Why Quantum Mechanics ends the Free Will debate!"
isak885 1 month ago
I like the fact you are free thinker . Stand up for what you believe to be the truth . Finding true happiess should be main goal in one life . The pursuit of happness. To have joy and peace in one heart . At Same time , You can not see the wind but do you believe that it is there ? science should go hand and hand to teach the truth. At one time Scienist believe world was flat . Is the world flat ?
Marlin0865 2 months ago
religious Freewill is believe or die but its your choice
mattthegin 2 months ago
I have been making these same fucking arguments forever. There is nothing more annoying than the free will argument. Mental illness, impulse, moods, resources, knowledge, all kinds of circumstances are part of our will. Searle makes the same arguments. Our will exists, but it is both free and not free.
MrNicMachiavelli 2 months ago
She seriously needs to get laid.
NEOGEO1966 2 months ago
@NEOGEO1966 because she is talking about serious issues and feels passionately about them she is sexually frustrated? Don't be stupid.
MrNicMachiavelli 2 months ago
Free will.. to work, is that it causes unemployment. Because of the first man/woman that finally did something, the word unemployment started to exist. Atheists always look at the bad things of love. When you create something, bad shit happens. It's not fare, because they're obligated to look at what's happening. Atheism is jealousy. Atheists can't say "oh that is great", they can blame, because they can't do it.
Brulluhman 2 months ago
wow. okay, i'll try, and i know you're married so i'll just let go of my TOTAL INFATUATION and try to make some sense here...
while the arguments against freewill are extremely hard to refute, the fact remains that my subjective experience of it is convincingly real. the part of the neurological process with which i identify myself ("i") enjoys the illusion that it is the originator of my actions. the illusion of effort, for example, is utterly convincing; if i don't try, nothing happens...
sonsofdon 3 months ago
the illusion of free will = free will (at least until time travel is invented)
viking977 3 months ago
Making videos in the middle of the night? Fine.
Making videos about free will (especially in the middle of the night)? A waste of time.
blug6 3 months ago
That sound that cats make? ... In English, "purring."
blug6 3 months ago
Erm, I think free will is an illusion. I believe one's actions in life are subject to cause and effect ie I want to make some youtube videos therefore I set up a youtube account for example. People do have will but its not 100% free I dont think.
TheSchemer1 3 months ago
This isn't relevant to your video but when I was a baby some gypsies offered my mom some horses for me... I don't know if they were Romanian gypsies who were for some reason visiting Washington but yeah... weird stuff.
CorporalHicks8 3 months ago
For me, the idea of determinism in the wake of scientific research about the beginning of the universe falls short of answering the big question: if our "decisions" are all pre-made based on factors in our environment that are in turn caused by prior factors, what does all this lead back to? In essence, what was the first cause? Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
cburton103 3 months ago
solipsism = freewill
ChickityChoice 3 months ago
@ChickityChoice How is solipsism free will?
Minecraft4life1000 3 months ago
@Minecraft4life1000 If solipsism is true, the deterministic nature of the universe is a red herring. There are different versions of solipsism, some involving freewill and others involving fate, but none with the same type of deterministic fate she is talking about in the video.
The point I was trying to make is that although the evidence points towards determinism, it can never resolve the fate/freewill dichotomy... You just may have a soul after all...
ChickityChoice 3 months ago
@ChickityChoice Solipsism is simply the belief that one's self is the only thing that exists, that has absolutely no bearing on determinism or free will.
Sol (Solar)- The sun, and everything goes around it. If one is solipsistic, one believes that the world 'revolves around them' so to speak (Like the sun).
I don't see your point.
Minecraft4life1000 3 months ago
@Minecraft4life1000 Without writing a huge essay on the subject...
If solipsism is the truth... the brain has absolutely nothing to do with your consciousness or choices that you make.
You are the only person that exists; everything else is a construct of the reality you exist in.
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There is no reason to believe or disbelieve this... the point is to illustrates that science rests on top of a very shaky philosophical foundation...
ChickityChoice 3 months ago
@Minecraft4life1000 Another way to explain it would be like this:
In a dream, solipsism is true for the dreamer. Nothing in the dream exists other than the dreamer's perspective itself.
A dreaming person may attempt to collect evidence to prove that he is not dreaming.... but all the evidence in the world (the dream) is not enough.
ChickityChoice 3 months ago
@ChickityChoice Again, I don't see how this is relevant at all.
Minecraft4life1000 3 months ago
@Minecraft4life1000 Solipsism and determinism are not confluent ideas... Not sure if you disagree with that, or if you don't see that consequences of it...
ChickityChoice 3 months ago
@ChickityChoice No, I don't see how solipsism is free will.
Minecraft4life1000 3 months ago
You are amazing! Can I marry your brain?
OmgItzNay 3 months ago
Are there more girls like you in Romania? ;)
Seriously though, THANKYOU. The amount of conversations I've had with fairly intelligent, non-religous, SCIENTIFIC people who just can't accept that all is cause and effect just boggles my mind.
I could write an essay on the subject right now my head is buzzing so much hehe. Keep up the vids. Always nice to basically see my thoughts echoed from the mouth of such a good looking girl. And that accent... There's another essay ^^
Much love.
wtfallnamestaken010 3 months ago
Wow. I'm a quarter Romanian from my mother's side. My Romanian family was also Jewish. Sooo...guess they weren't Romanian after all? x)
Stellana 3 months ago in playlist More videos from ZOMGitsCriss
I agree, We have some free will, because there is some randomness in the universe. Or so an old man see it. One has to learn one has choice first.
Weir thought. To be free, you must find freedom.
jonthomas1111 3 months ago
I agree, We have some free will, because there is some randomness in the universe. Or so an old man see it. One has to learn one has choice first.
Weir though
jonthomas1111 3 months ago
@jonthomas1111 No, she said there isn't randomness. We simply label random what to us seems unpredictable, but no, randomness does not exist.
Minecraft4life1000 3 months ago
I think free will exists, only our minds take into consideration all the circumstances in order to make a good decision
LDG519 4 months ago
@LDG519 Yes, but the choice your mind makes it also deterministic. So, that would not imply free will.
Minecraft4life1000 3 months ago
I was compelled to leave this comment therefor free will could not exist.
stramster1 4 months ago
Agree with a lot of this, but not the crucial bit - blameworthiness and praiseworthiness. If we're causally determined then although we still make decisions (we still deliberate and make decisions as a result of going through that deliberative process) it doesn't make sense to consider us 'deserving' of blame and punishment. The other (incoherent) kind of free will is needed for that. We don't have it - but that means we need to rethink our practices.
Clear404 4 months ago
Loved it!
rafarafina 4 months ago
Also, I would associate randomness with freewill. A random event is an unexpected event (not unpredictable, that is just a misconception of the term random). For an event to happen freely it would have to be unexpected. If events are causally determined we can expect them. Earthquakes, for example, are unpredictable. Yet we expect them to happen. The same applies to volcanoes and terrorist attacks. There is no such a thing as unexpected events, thus meaning there are no free events.
eddiemetal1 4 months ago
should be locked up or killed( personally I say killed), not because he or she deserves to, but because of the well being of others. It's for self-preservation.
eddiemetal1 4 months ago
There probably are some people who claim to be hard-determinists who say that are decisions are determined. These people are wrong though causal determinism does not say that are decisions are determined, but that our wants or desires are determined by prior events. I would say that we still have the ability to choose out of one option. Because of this not one person deserves anything on the contrary to popular belief. This does not mean that people should not be dealt with. A murderer
eddiemetal1 4 months ago
like fi your not lisionin to her but putting your hands down your paints
rudeboywaz 4 months ago
Also, I don't really believe much of anything can be definitively proven. I like to believe in free will, as in we all have the ability to make our own decisions, but I had never really considered the fact that our decision are in fact a mental response to outside stimuli. I suppose, ultimately, the concept of "free will" is actually poorly defined as it seems to be different here in the United States than it is there in Romania.
RenegadeScion 4 months ago
Hooray for causality.
RenegadeScion 4 months ago
Sorry for not giving any food for thought but all opinions expressed in this videos are 100% accurate in my book. Nothing to add. :)
eatshitgoogle 4 months ago
I agree with you absolutely on this. That is to say, there is not even one aspect of this issue that we disagree on even slightly. It really amuses me that some people spend their lives studying philosophy and still manage to be wrong about this.
vonkruel 4 months ago
Kitty purring will never be annoying. It will always be cute. :)
AcinarretX 4 months ago
Free will does not exist. The very concept, when examined closely, does not really make any fucking sense.
Even if we assume a supernatural mind, it still needs inner workings, otherwise it would be pure randomness. These inner workings decide, depending on a metric fuckton of information, what you want and what you will do. The will is therefore not truly free, EVER. Truly free will would be pure randomness and would make no fucking sense. It doesn't exist.
ParaSpite 4 months ago in playlist More videos from ZOMGitsCriss
@ParaSpite exactly right. Some of the smartest peeps on this planet who are studying the nature of reality believe that the WHOLE thing is COMPUTABLE. Anyway even if there was true randomness (which I agree would make no sense) that doesn't enable "free will" to exist, it would only enable random shit to happen.
vonkruel 4 months ago
@vonkruel Actually, you can shift the meaning of the words "free will" a little, so it makes sense.
If free will means that the will is decided only by the inner workings of the mind (including memories and collected information) and no outside influences (deceit, mind control, brainwashing), then the term makes sense again.
But this also causes problems: would willfully taken drugs temporarily disable/change your free will? Does religion count as brainwashing in this context? (I think it does.)
ParaSpite 4 months ago
@ParaSpite That's the best way of trying to make sense of it, but as you point out it's still problematic then. I think it's best to just say that we're "free" to the extent that we can make our own decisions and are not slaves. We may be machines that make decisions, and our decisions may be crappy, but they're still OUR decisions.
I wonder what % of "pro philosophers" are on the right side of this thing?
vonkruel 4 months ago
@vonkruel Who knows? XD
About the whole universe being computable: Couldn't the universe be interpreted as one big computer program, with the computer being reality? I think this interpretation is valid, interesting and absolutely irrelevant all at the same time. XD
ParaSpite 4 months ago
@ParaSpite this interpretation can't be ruled out. The only problem I have with it is that the computer running this giant simulation we call reality would have be running in an actual reality of its own. Or, if not, ultimately there would have to be some actual reality where a giant computer running the "root" simulation (which simulates a computer simulating a reality). My gut feeling is that this interpretation is probably not right, but I sure can't disprove it.
vonkruel 4 months ago
@ParaSpite Maybe I misinterpreted what you wrote. I was thinking in terms of an actual computer running a simulation of a reality, which only _seems_ real to us because we're trapped inside the simulation. This can't be ruled out.
vonkruel 4 months ago
@vonkruel I think there is some misinterpretation going on, but I'm not sure on which side. =/
ParaSpite 4 months ago
If you define free will as free from any causal influence, then free will becomes incoherent. How could you ever argue in favour of it?
If you want to say that free will is being able to choose other than you did ..what test could you ever conduct to prove that one way or another?
If we are to speak of "I" or "me" at all, then "I" is the totallity of all the events/ ingredients/ experiences that have impacted on me thus far. If "I" choose, in what sense was my choice not free?
PascalsWager5 4 months ago
@PascalsWager5 If by free you mean free from any causal influence..well you've set an impossible & incoherent criteria.
So all you can say is that Free will thus defined is non-sensical & we shouldn't even talk about it.
(You could do the same to "I").
I suspect that we all believe in free will..We have no choice.
PascalsWager5 4 months ago
Mm there's laws of nature and there's laws of men, within these confines lie our freedoms. 100 % freedom is what nature allows as far as your mentally/physically able, human laws are there to put borders on full freedom to prevent crime. Lawless communities on the other hand tend to breed more criminals, since nothing stops them from doing so. In the end the ability to make up your own mind is what I call free will, whatever enviroment and education you come from..
diekerel 4 months ago
@diekerel Reality is ofcourse more complicated, but I think this is the broad idea of it. Also on a sidenote I think that those nationalists were in fact nazi's, aaaand I'm pretty sure this is gonna be ignored and will vanish in the commentbox whatsoever, but anyways cheers to bring up so much interesting subjects. Helped me get through a few dull hours.
diekerel 4 months ago
First off, you don't look like any crap I've ever had. You are very lovely. As for the free will, it is the fact that we question it instead of embrace reality/the known that is the problem. I've seen some of your videos on religion and this free will business is similar. Instead of questioning where we come from, question who you are now. Instead of asking if there is free will, realize what you are capable of. Once you do that, the question of free will becomes obsolete and silly.
shabido1 5 months ago
@ZOMGitsCriss great video
smeckythefrog 5 months ago
But if free will doesn't exist, that means that god predetermines weather or not one goes to hell. (when I became truithfully aware of this I knew that I clouldnt believein god)
Charlemagnificent 5 months ago 2
Ally and AJ russian version.
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AkilaniMiami 5 months ago
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yuhnasty24 5 months ago
If you are the only human surrounded by millions of monkeys they'll never accept you until you eat shit like they do, and even if you do it they'll still consider themselves superior to you. Build a boat, set sail and go look for other humans
Zaltor2 5 months ago 2
...part 3 ( I write a lot and Youtube does not support that.)
In the end, ones will is to chose how to handle their own personal fate. We are our own person. As the saying goes, "He /She is never going to change". However we can mold ourselves into our environment and adapt who we are to that situation. Inside, our behaviors and person our still the same. Just evolved into a newer form of what we once were.
I believe in Evolution, I am cultural not religious. Might is Right!
xyjamesw1488 5 months ago
...Part 2
As for us being a product of our environment. This might not be completely true. I believe that we are all born with a certain base. This base is made up of traits inherent in your personal Folk. A collective unconscious memory of your ancestral past. From that we are changed further by our environment and that leads to the individualization of the self.
Take Maslow's hierarchy of needs. The lower on the chart we are the more Nature we are, as we climb we meet a more Nurture side.
xyjamesw1488 5 months ago
I liked your take on free will. I believe that our lives are predestined to a certain beginning and end and throughout all of life's choices we have a limited number of outcomes we can decide from, but ultimately those choices are not random or without inherent design.
...Continued on part 2
xyjamesw1488 5 months ago
well in a christian sense of free will there are actions that are accepted as right and wrong the end result of choosing wrong is punishment which is like slavery we can do what our master tells us to and we dont get burned so saying we have free will is complete hipocracy seeing as that we in a sense are all slaves to a being that forces us to act a certain way
TheNicksSkitsShow 5 months ago
Basicaly this means that it should be insulting to be called you behave as a gypsy or referred to as gypsy - ergo thief, lier, pimp, criminal, person with lack of hygiene etc. Its normal I think. If they wanted to offend you saying you are a gypsy, they were not referring directly to the ethnicity but to a metaphorical meaning leading to their common behavior, unacceptable to most people. For instance if lets say Italians were known for such a behavior it would be very same with - u Italian
rastydakilla 5 months ago
In your and also my country gypsies have this reputation of being thieves, lyers, street beggars, law breakers you name it. So isn't it obvious that a word gypsy is being commonly used as an insult? First of all this term became offensive after some time when those lets say people moved to European territory exactly because of general reputation of this ethnic group. Secondly the insultive term was named after this ethnic group according to their behaviour and not vice versa.
rastydakilla 5 months ago
I'm a hard determinist, and I don't think we have any choice in our actions. We cannot be held responsible for our decisions, except in the sense of identifying that some person did some action, e.g., person A made action A. But person A did not choose to make action A by an act of conscious action, rather the brain created the illusion that choice was made consciously.
ClamCrunchy 5 months ago
there is no real free will, it is all perception. an illusion of free will, but to be totally free, one could not really think about a decision or about what they want to do in a situation. and that is just impossible. so every thought is imposed on a person's brain, and conscious, and that is not free will. and gypsy? well, i know you have been called worse on your channel, and sorry about that, i know the stupidity that can happen, especially on the name calling front.
whedonfreak976 5 months ago
Anyway even if you argue there are no random events, they are of such complexity and incalculable they are random to us.
tyroy57 6 months ago
Science seems to be coming up with evidence that we do not have free will and that our choices are unconscious processes that we are become aware of after they have been made. Free will surely means we have a conscious choice. Could we possibly have unconscious free will ? Determinism does not mean everything is predetermined and that somehow we could predict the future if we had a massive computer. here are random elements in the world , not least other people and events in nature.
tyroy57 6 months ago
You didn't come across to me as tired. You sound wide awake. I see the logic in what you say, and part of me agrees, but part of me can't stop thinking about how strange consciousness is. If consciousness is just a product of the brain then I'll have to see man create a robot that is self aware before I'm convinced, or else the brain contains something profound and beyond our understanding of nature.
1simonmatthews 6 months ago
@superman83080 I don't see why fingerprints prove Gods existence, but the golden ratio is just a mathematical way of explaining why we find certain people more attractive then others. It's one of those primal urge things. And really when you get down to it everything we know of can be expressed in math
Spocktacular96 6 months ago
WELL DONE,
keep up the good work
yours truly
hopdoehop 6 months ago
I can't watch any of her videos all the way through.... I can't stand the fact that she's so good looking and intelligent at the same time so much so that part of my brain feels like it's sinking into one of those two month depression things I get where I lose track of that two months and didn't realize time was moving... I have never really met a very intellectual person anywhere near that where I live. let alone an intelligent girl...
thingonthewalludnt 6 months ago
if their is no creator, explain to me the fringer print , or the golden ratio ?
superman83080 6 months ago
@superman83080 Fingerprints are a form iof natural grip, and at some stage in our evoloution we evolved to have them in the position they are in, as to help with picking things up, etc. I dont see what they would have to do with a god though.
polop1234 6 months ago
@polop1234
its too perfect thought to be done by nature... and when u look at the golden ration, things go even more toward prefection.
superman83080 6 months ago
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Lol, yes Gypsy. Just like how Jesus was a Caucasian and had blonde hair.
Also IRON MAIDEN!!!! Up The Irons!!!! :)))))
IsolationInstigation 6 months ago
free will .... well you could have chose to NOT make a video you obviously cannot choose something that is impossible but you still make choices and sometimes other people might try to stop you from making a choice but they can only try and my point is there is no invisible force that can MAKE you do something that you do not wish to do
folka18 6 months ago
free will isn't real, our every action is the product of cause and effect. If you offer me a ham sandwich and I refuse this was not free will, it was cause and effect. The electrical impulses that ham sends to my brain when eaten are not appealing to me therefore I don't like ham therefore I will reject ham. Yes, I can eat it anyway but that would be cause and effect as well. i could be proving a point or being polite, either would be a cause the effect being I eat the ham sandwich.
AntiMatterWave 6 months ago
Them calling you a gypsy is like in the US people will sometimes call things or people gay, whether they are or not
Spocktacular96 6 months ago
It is believed that this indicates that the majority of our actions does not reach our conciousness and are executed via emotional autopilot. it is also believed that when something reaches our conciousness we have the ability to react to it.
ex 1: a branch is about to hit you in the head. you duck by reflex. not free will
ex 2: you have a gun to the head of the man who raped your daughter... the decision to shoot or not reaches ur conciousness and you can make a free will decision.
tigerw222 6 months ago
there has been experiments where they hooked up a man to a machine measuring his brain activity (fMRI), when hooked up to this machine he was suppose to reach out and grab an item. they could show that the brain started a sequence seconds before he counciously knew he was gonna grab the item. seconds before he actually made the concious decision to grab the item his brain had started the sequence to reach out and grab it...
tigerw222 6 months ago
Free Will is an illusion. Of what good is free will when I control all the choices available to you?? If I locked you in a house with only rice, pizza, and broiled chicken for food, would you say you had free will to choose what to eat??
obviouslyso 6 months ago
@obviouslyso yes, because you still have different choices, just like you have the free will to dig a tunnel to get the f*ck out of there, or the free will to starve and die painfully, or the free will to eat them all at once!
TheFlames376 6 months ago
@TheFlames376 Hmmmmm. So I lock you, TheFlames, in a 20ft thick granite box with the above mentioned edibles for food. Can you use your free will to eat fish? If I did not provide a TV, can you use your free will to listen to your favourite news channel? In those areas, I have 'ultimate' control over your choices. Regardless of what you do, I know the end result of all of them. If I poisoned the food stuffs differently, no matter what you choose, you'll still be poisoned in the end when you eat.
obviouslyso 6 months ago
@obviouslyso HOWEVER, i still have the free will not to eat the food if so pleased, your arent understanding the concept of free will, unless you have a mind controlling device attached to my brain, then i will ALWAYS have free will
TheFlames376 6 months ago
@TheFlames376 note that I said 'when' you eat. Of course you can choose to starve to death. That is part of the equation. You can choose to start eating your fingers and toes first. That is part of it too. You can beat your head on the walls in an effort to pass out so you won't eat. All factored in. I don't need to have a mind controlling device plugged to your skull. When you eventually get tired of fighting it, if you don't twist your neck before hand, you will eat. Either way, you die...
obviouslyso 6 months ago
@obviouslyso yes, however i can CHOOSE how i die, no matter what you say i still have choice, no matter what you do i will always have an option, sorry but like i said, unless you have a mind controlling device, then i will always play my part, and my part is whatever the hell i want it to be!
TheFlames376 6 months ago
Like animals i think the majority of our decisions are made by emotional autopilot, driven by desire/fear and so on. Unlike animals we have the ability to contemplate our decisions and think about our existense, this inteligence comes into play the very few times where we actually make a decision based on free will and not on emotion.
If a decision can be influenzed or not doesnt prove anything about free will. it just shows that we have influenzes that affect us in our lives.
tigerw222 6 months ago
Why do romanians think they are latin? Latins are dumb this women seems smart. Some slav must have raped her ancestors
SUpersaiyajinjerkbag 6 months ago
so many so long comments :P
smqzbq 6 months ago
YOU KNOW THE ONLY REASON I AND EVERYONE ELSE IS HEAR IS BECAUSE YOUR BEUTIFULLOOPS. THERE IS SOMETHING wrong with this . you are useing your looks to pull people in that is wrong. you are no great philosipher if you would shut it u might learn something your looks do not make you smart u r manic pressured speech u r the kind of woman that needs a home to go to when a man is finished with u
TheWezid 6 months ago
Okay I love this girl but I can't listen to this truthfully. I love her and I dont wanna start a fight but yea this kinda annoys me. I try to sty away from religious videos cus a big fight starts and people get hurt. I dont wanna get in it.
KoriLuvsNuggets 6 months ago
FIRST OFF, i would like to say, that this is the best self made clip on free will that I have ever watched, points well made and reasonable. (trust me when i say i watched many) we are very similiar in our thinking to this topic. so i thought I would shsre a clip I made 2 minutes before seeing yours. but not as creative as yours.
cheers.
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youneekk 6 months ago
To sidetrack slightly, determinism does not imply predictability since predictability relies on having a complete knowledge of the state of everything in the universe at every instant which is ruled out by the finite propagation-of-light speed. I think this is where the idea of randomness and apparent free will is given credence. I have no doubt that I was destined to make this comment at this (which?) moment.
malectric 6 months ago
Mmmmmm gypsy's / I believe the free thinking makes you a gypsy ! It makes me a gypsy ! ERS
smartazuis 7 months ago
Read he Epilogue to Tolstoi's War and Peace from chapter VIII to the end. He has a very complex and elaborate approach to free will in connection to defining the concept of power. It's too vast a demonstration for me to try and resume it here, however I think it will prove a worthy read.
unboeing 7 months ago
Was that iron maiden at the end? :D
You have made the world a better place
WrathofGobae 7 months ago
I'll bite. I'm what you would refer to as "hardcore" determinist. I think we fundamentally agree, except for a bit of ambiguity. You may have backtracked a bit to ensure people are still held accountable for their actions even without free will. This is unnecessary, since agents can be held responsible regardless of whether or not their actions are free. Think Terminator :)
socialjerome 7 months ago
We have 'libre arbitre' in french, which seems to be the same term you have. As for my perception of free will, I'm leaning more towards determinism, because our actions are based on the environment and events that preceded them. But the very fact that we are conscious of that behaviour means we always have a choice and can always, no matter how tough, make a decision that is right for us. It is never extracted from the event, but it's never completely driven by it either.
Aemys 7 months ago
@Aemys you make a good point, but choice and will are not the same.
choice is driven by fear or love for something. fear or love are factores that you recieved from your enviroment and upbringings. the enviroment is an outside cause, there for you have no control over it.
thus you have no free will or free choice.
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poohpwnsyou 7 months ago
so it was destiny for you to make this video? Oh wow.
XXBbySDXX 7 months ago
GREAT VIDEO! SUCH INTELLIGENCE AND COMMON SENSE IS RARE IN PEOPLE TODAY
nonassumsit 7 months ago
Don't listen to her she's Chinese! - jks - much love Criss! You never fail to amuse.
Dukhnovski 7 months ago
My view of free will is simple "Choice" I can choose to do A or I can choose to do B that is free will. Now yes I do agree with you that you make your choice based on the events leading up to it or past experience but regardless it is still a choice
bigninja27 7 months ago
@bigninja27
big ninja here is someone who "gets it"
choice in any situation including torture is still choice
determinism is what is shot into our bodies by the space men who visit and take us away at night.
choice is what we do
anyname666 7 months ago
Two things
If every action were driven by conscious agency then we would be overwhelmed by the effort of trying to control all the relevant parameters. So the idea of determinism only works for simple choices, for more complex ones where the validity of the data must be assessed to ones own ability. We are constrained and indeterminate
and
Wouldn't randomness exempt one from being determined
xlllNIGHTMARElllx 7 months ago
You do not have full control of your brain so saying you are your brain is wrong as the brain has many unconscious controls such as moderation of the temperature of the body, and if u are a deductive materialist, u are only a small section of ur brain with limited control
Tenkin12 7 months ago
@Tenkin12 I agree with you, our consciousness is only the tip of the iceberg, everything else is unconscious and we cannot control it.
Instead of throwing people in jail or executing them I'd have them make a psychoanalysis and let the psychologists help them solve their inner turmoil.
erasmusso 7 months ago
well if you're not a Romanian and get kicked out you can always stay at my place :D
superpopewinz 7 months ago
I don't think free will exists in any transcendent sense - I'm fine with my thoughts and decisions being strictly deterministically caused by brain activity, and the evidence supports it rather strongly.
However, it sure /feels/ like I have free will - like you said, I /am/ my brain (loosely speaking). That being the case, it still makes sense to hold people accountable for their actions.
See? No conflict. :-D
(oh, and I love the Romanian distinction between volition and abstract "free will")
soundofgeek 8 months ago
Wow, you read my mind! I have EXACTLY same thoughts about free will. It's like you've stolen my notebook =)
Singlerity 8 months ago
You don't look Chinese.
BoneYardsCantina 8 months ago
FREEWILL IS FREE WILL. IF U R DEFENDING FREEWILL THAN U CANNOT VERY WELL GET MAD AT THE CUNTS THAT TORTURE ANIMALS AND FUCK BABIES TO DEATH RIGHT? I MEAN, COS THEY CAAAAN DO IT RIIIGHT? I AGREE WITH YOU ON EVERYTHING I HAVE SEEN YOU SAY SO FAR. < YES, THAT SOUNDS LIKE I DONT HAVE A BRAIN BUT OH WELL, U TAKE THE WAORDS RIGHT OUTTA MY MOUTH! KEEP MAKIN VIDS& BEING CANDID.
Sashabear40 8 months ago
You might be cute and sexy, but that's about all the appeal your videos have.
Txsray 8 months ago
@Txsray YOUR BANG WRONG!! DONT TELL HER VIDEOS ARE IRRELIVANT. IF YOU FAIL TO SEE THE POINTS IN THEM, THEN THATS ON YOU.
Sashabear40 8 months ago
better you don't talk about nationalism or racism,you are just brainwashed with typical leftist propaganda of the west,i can see it and i didn't even listened your opinions bout it.yeah envirolment creates what we are but it's their option to remain the crap they are and not to change,they don't want to change,why would anyone like gypsies?they are disgosting peoples,you can call me bigot or those 21 century key words just like the ancient heretic or commie counter revolutionary,facts are facts.
hilletehnoob 8 months ago
In the discussion between full Determinism and absolute free will it does make sense to assume free will even though it is unlikely to exist. Why? Because if it doesn't exist then it doesn't matter anyway, since even if we wrongly believe that it does, we were predetermined to do so and couldn't have helped it anyway.
NotMeButAnother 8 months ago
Criss, it is impossible for you to look like crap. And your cat appears to be wonderful. So, ok, you convince me that all my thoughts and feelings of love and beauty are nothing but chemical reactions in my brain and have no reality except in my own delusions. What have I gained by this truth? How am I improved? How are you better off with this sad philosophy that only brings you closer to the void? Does the truth really always set you free? The cost of truth is very high here.
Ardalla555 8 months ago
@Ardalla555 The underlying biological mechanism by which I feel love does not in any way cheapen my transcendent experience of love. Likewise, the underlying biological determinism doesn't alter our experience of free will. We're still making decisions - the only difference is that our decisions are (in theory) perfectly predictable from a complete knowledge of brain state a few moments earlier. I don't really see this as a depressing thing.
soundofgeek 8 months ago
Yes, "free will" is indeed nonsense. Fluffy blonde haired lady is correct.
gigacannon 9 months ago
I think even randomness is based on previous events- at least in the case of 'random' thoughts. If at some point in your life you've decided that bananas, fish or cats wearing top-hats are random and then you try to think randomly, you tend to think of something you have already decided is 'random'. Normally if I try to prove myself to be unpredictable or random I think of a monkey, but now I've written this, I'll probably think of a cat in a top hat. With a monocle for good measure..
TheRatherLikely 9 months ago
Are all Gypsy's like you? If so, SIGN ME UP!! ; )
BillsHawks 9 months ago
(Not so) Quick question: When you say "free will" is this 'the ability to do anything without regard to circumstance or consequence', or are is it 'the ability to select an action based on the limited choices provided by the circumstance and the self-imposed desire to mitigate consequence'?
I'm just getting into this sort of stuff, but I get feel that determinism is the macro and free will is the micro. You can act within the confines of reality and you can, by degrees, change your reality.
PropellerHeadCase 9 months ago
Of course there is free will, but as limited individual beings our willpower is likewise limited and individual. If you group individuals together their collective will can be even more powerful - or they can bolster the willpower of a "leader," etc.
As with everything (it seems to me) there is a balance between all things. There is no black and white, no absolute. There are both forces we can do nothing against and also choices we can make that can be profound and significant.
Pandonodrim 9 months ago
this free will thing is complicated. To the best of our knowledge, we are the only entities capable of actually weighing and considering a choice in complicated detail, though other mammals and some birds also have some ability to make complicated choices other than by instinct. So, are our minds complicated enough that we break past deterministic? And into probabilistic? That at least seems more likely, but does that qualify as free will?
Zagaroth 9 months ago
The universe itself is the only "computer" capable of doing this. The universe is the only system capable of "predicting" its own future. It is therefore not possible to verify free will (or the lack thereof). I'd like to continue this discussion, but I'm running out of characters. Can we do this elsewhere?
PierreIndy 9 months ago