I like pwnage when done well. You are one who does it well. I know I rewatch a lot of your videos simply because they make me laugh (like that guy who said the middle class was disappearing and the classes were molding into the proletariat and burgeosie. LOL)
@theradioschizo He does. Intellectual pwnage = priceless. The only downside, that sadness of knowing that the limited knowledge and competence of the person being pwned prevents them from even knowing the extent to which they have been pwned. Oh the humanity.
@oiuoiu988 You don't know all the possibility of democracy. Let me give you an example: Individual autonomy - and that doesn't mean authoritative autonomy(i.e. capitalist firm).
Just push politicians and reforms for ''market liberalization'' and support authoritarian business model(in hope that you are gonna be boss someday) and make comments from your armchair - you are one step from suicide and miles from anarchism.
haha, you failed to actually explain anything about democracy, dont worry about it though... i was just making fun of you. have fun with your words. do you polish them every night before you go to bed???
@oiuoiu988 I usually don't respond to the non-questions from authoritative wannabe capitalists that are disappointed when they receive terms or words beyond their comprehension.
About democracy, I promise. you will not have to participate nor demand privlage also :)
im not going to provide a list of all of the companies i own but like 80% of all americans i own large companies. its just too bad 401k plans werent around when marx was writing, if they had i'm sure you wouldnt have made that idiotic mistake.
do you still want names or did you just realize how stupid you are?
lol, ok you sound like a 12 year old now. go read something from the last 100 years. capitalism is about voluntary exchange of goods and services, labor is a service that can be exchanged. capitalism has nothing to do with ordering people around.
@oiuoiu988 Capitalism is far from ''voluntary'' when it has complete monopoly on meaning of ''property rights'' - that is supported by the ruling minority and you losers wannabe capitalists.
If you ignore history( just like your ilk often do) you end up in creating mythology of the origins and the reality of capitalism. You are one step(if that) from creationism.
lolol ok, so i'll give you the words capitalism and anarchy and you can play whatever games you want with them, you can polish them before bedtime or kiss them goodnight, have your way with them, i dont care. this doesnt change the fact that i am advocating the voluntary exchange of goods and services... do you have an argument now? wage labor is still voluntary. now are you gonna say that not letting people steal from you means youre limiting their freedom? whatta ya got?
@oiuoiu988 I don't need any permission from you what so ever. You can define words as you please and ignore their historical use but you shouldn't be surprised when people don't take you seriously.
I know what you advocate. You think we are playing tricks here? - rhetoricalQ. Anarchists don't accept any hierarchy no matter where! School, home, relationships, churches... in every place and especially in businesses! That is more than clear. Being masochist is acceptable if you like that.
Well said. People should feel ashamed for adhering to ludicrous ideas, and there is no better way to make people ashamed than pwnage.
Although I may not be the most informed or the brightest person in the world, I have learned a valuable lesson of not talking too much about things on which I'm uninformed.
I've always felt the same way. If you present a thorough, rational, articulate argument, the more you can make the other person emotionally embarrassed of their desperately incorrect position the better. The latter is dependent on the former.
I have to agree. People don't get convinced by a gentle tap in the right direction. Even if that person is not convinced, they likely have many people watching them who will be. The most popular things out there, like maddox, that have absolutely insane amounts of fans, use insulting. It helps these followers to be steered in the right direction and see that stupidity is not okay.
You're advocating what sounds like a kind of Intellectual Machiavellianism, if such a thing exists. Your reasons "why" are that such discourages bad ideas, *but* you can only expect to do this on the basis of, "because you will be teased," and this is done instead of teaching the value of independent reasoning. It would be short sighted to assume that value of reason would be implied with what you are saying, since all that you are saying merely amounts to a Skinnerian fear tactic. (continued)
I would challenge you to find me someone who would was convinced by an opponent by being humiliated.
As for people who never adopted a position because they saw someone else "be made example of" that is a social failure too, because the observer has no basis to judge the rightness or wrongness of an idea for himself. If all he does is react to public displays of humiliation, he becomes a group-think sheep.
I used to go by the handle "Nietzschean101." This is only relevant in that I was once the target of one of Spawk's shitty little ad hom, quasi intellectual videos. Anyways, in light of my disgust with his video featured here, I posted a kind of indirect video response "Spawk Ought Not Talk." Now, you may perhaps find the ad hominems of my own distasteful, but I do delve a bit into the topic of moral realism if interested...you can just skip the first several minutes if inclined.
Lol, Cali9ula? That clown couldn't pwn VenomFangX. He is a sub par, and by that I mean waaaayyyy sub par, half assed thinker, a trite little ideologue simply looking to reaffirm his presuppositions, a joke really. But, as I told him before in the past, to we sensitive souls, that guy is something to pity, not laugh at.
so does that mean venomfangX could pwn you even easier than cali9ula did?? you really think his thinking would have a hard time shooting under 72 in regulation??
Well, conversation ended as you have revealed yourself an unthinking stupid little cali9ula the clown junkie; if you could get off cali9ula's penis for a couple of minutes, you might look around the world and learn a thing or two...
@jericomovie I was *pwned*, which caused me to read upon the topic(specifically -Govt' Regulations) and ended up agreeing w/ the person that humiliated me. This was when I was a statist and thought I understood economics.
me, i was... and its not that i was convinced of the position of the pwner as much as i was convinced that the position of the pwnee was terribly wrong.
@jericomovie The point is not to get people to not have ideas that I ahve labeled as "bad". It is to get people to seek a further understanding of the ideas they hold. There is no dichotomy between being teased and the value of independent reasoning. And such is not implied, I often make it explicit. Anyhow, even if I didnt I think the message would be clear. If, for instance, I make a video to someone who advocates a "mixed economy" because of hte news knowledge they have acquired and I comein
@jericomovie And "pwn" him he is not going to suddenly drop statism. He will do one of two things, either ignore what i have siad, or do some research themselves. Ive been debating online for a number of years, and I know for a fact taht there are people this has worked on. Infact, in my experience it has been much more effective than "polite discussion" .
@jericomovie And , again the idea is not to punish disagreement. People who dont hold the position of the person being pwned wont be changed, they already thought what was being siad was wrong. However, such is not the case for the people watching who do agree with him, The chances of them having their mind changed because they saw someone with the same view being made a fool of is slim
Humiliation has been used by societies to keep people in line for thousands of years. Pwnage is the most modern form of this practice, and I advocate its use wherever possible.
The pwnee is shown the error of their ways so that they may become wiser, the pwner is rewarded in the satisfaction of knowing that untruths have been dashed, and the audience is educated while enjoying a laugh at the pwnee's expense. How is this not a profitable enterprise?
I need to say that I am glad you did this video, because I felt some uncool uneasiness while watching some parts of some of your prior videos, and this is the sign of a much more agreeable and mature person (in my eyes). I am glad you have a plan and the aggressive nature of some videos is being subjected to rational/conscious considerations. Props for the video.
I live off pwnage. sure i like civil discourse, but some people deserve nothing but severe pwnage. I already have 2 pwnage videos cooking in my head at the moment.
You're free to do whatever. But just as a matter of fact, I don't know of any YT videomaker has changed their mind more radically than me in response to arguments. Also you'll lose.
i've got nothing against pwnage vids (if the person pwning knows what they are talking about), b/c i find them to be hilarious, and they can be effective.
tactically however i sort of disagree. i've tried for myself the pwnage route and found that it brought me more resistance to the ideas i was promoting. the method i am trying nowadays is to just mostly go after ideas in order to avoid the people who will inevitably concentrate on attacks rather than the meat of the points being made.
really tho, i support most or all the ways in which anti-statists make vids. the freedom "movement" is kind of true to itself in that way....certain ways of doing things will appeal to certain people. anti-statism can be couched in basically any way, ie, promoted by theists, atheists, leftists, rightists, etc, it can take on any flavor in order to attract new people.
some people dig the pwnage, some don't. we will garner both.
well it was an implied pwnage of "common knowledge" on economics that originally turned me on to your videos. i understand there is a distinction between invidual pwnage and mass pwnage but i think they are both pwnage.
It's about deciding if the person you're responding to can be reasoned, or is never going to change their mind. If they will never change their mind, it's good to "pwn".
Oh, right. I forgot. The disjointed arguments, distracting editing, and haggard appearance really pushed him over the top. He is truly one of the great debaters of our time. Haha
I would agree with the idea that I want to live in a society that shames the willfully ignorant instead of one that hails them as patriots, "regular joes" and even heros.
Idiocracy may have been a comedy, but it's surely where we are headed.
I like pwnage when done well. You are one who does it well. I know I rewatch a lot of your videos simply because they make me laugh (like that guy who said the middle class was disappearing and the classes were molding into the proletariat and burgeosie. LOL)
Keep up the good work, Spawk.
theradioschizo 1 year ago
@theradioschizo He does. Intellectual pwnage = priceless. The only downside, that sadness of knowing that the limited knowledge and competence of the person being pwned prevents them from even knowing the extent to which they have been pwned. Oh the humanity.
fairiebee 1 year ago
Anarchist FAQ is the greatest pwnage of armchair reformists wannabe capitalists ever.
organdva 1 year ago
@organdva
lololol yes! anarchy means democracy and nothing else!!! if we ever get rid of the state we MUST still use violence to order society!
oiuoiu988 1 year ago
@oiuoiu988 You don't know all the possibility of democracy. Let me give you an example: Individual autonomy - and that doesn't mean authoritative autonomy(i.e. capitalist firm).
Just push politicians and reforms for ''market liberalization'' and support authoritarian business model(in hope that you are gonna be boss someday) and make comments from your armchair - you are one step from suicide and miles from anarchism.
organdva 1 year ago
@organdva
haha, you failed to actually explain anything about democracy, dont worry about it though... i was just making fun of you. have fun with your words. do you polish them every night before you go to bed???
oiuoiu988 1 year ago
@oiuoiu988 I usually don't respond to the non-questions from authoritative wannabe capitalists that are disappointed when they receive terms or words beyond their comprehension.
About democracy, I promise. you will not have to participate nor demand privlage also :)
organdva 1 year ago
@organdva
i'm a wannabe capitalist?? do i not measure up to the "true" legitmate capitalists?? who are they??
oiuoiu988 1 year ago
@oiuoiu988 Oh, you have employers? What is your firm name?
organdva 1 year ago
@organdva
im not going to provide a list of all of the companies i own but like 80% of all americans i own large companies. its just too bad 401k plans werent around when marx was writing, if they had i'm sure you wouldnt have made that idiotic mistake.
do you still want names or did you just realize how stupid you are?
oiuoiu988 1 year ago
@oiuoiu988 So you don't order people around like real authoritarian?
organdva 1 year ago
@organdva
is that the sound of you admitting defeat? you basically just admitted that voluntary labor transactions are not authoritarian at all.
oiuoiu988 1 year ago
@oiuoiu988 You don't order people around(and you want to) so still, you are wannabe capitalist.
organdva 1 year ago
@organdva
lol, ok you sound like a 12 year old now. go read something from the last 100 years. capitalism is about voluntary exchange of goods and services, labor is a service that can be exchanged. capitalism has nothing to do with ordering people around.
oiuoiu988 1 year ago
@oiuoiu988 Capitalism is far from ''voluntary'' when it has complete monopoly on meaning of ''property rights'' - that is supported by the ruling minority and you losers wannabe capitalists.
If you ignore history( just like your ilk often do) you end up in creating mythology of the origins and the reality of capitalism. You are one step(if that) from creationism.
organdva 1 year ago
@organdva
lolol ok, so i'll give you the words capitalism and anarchy and you can play whatever games you want with them, you can polish them before bedtime or kiss them goodnight, have your way with them, i dont care. this doesnt change the fact that i am advocating the voluntary exchange of goods and services... do you have an argument now? wage labor is still voluntary. now are you gonna say that not letting people steal from you means youre limiting their freedom? whatta ya got?
oiuoiu988 1 year ago
@oiuoiu988 I don't need any permission from you what so ever. You can define words as you please and ignore their historical use but you shouldn't be surprised when people don't take you seriously.
I know what you advocate. You think we are playing tricks here? - rhetoricalQ. Anarchists don't accept any hierarchy no matter where! School, home, relationships, churches... in every place and especially in businesses! That is more than clear. Being masochist is acceptable if you like that.
organdva 1 year ago
@organdva
ok, well you have fun with that.
oiuoiu988 1 year ago
Well said. People should feel ashamed for adhering to ludicrous ideas, and there is no better way to make people ashamed than pwnage.
Although I may not be the most informed or the brightest person in the world, I have learned a valuable lesson of not talking too much about things on which I'm uninformed.
AkataBackUp 1 year ago
Live long and pwn.
h0tsex0r 1 year ago
I've always felt the same way. If you present a thorough, rational, articulate argument, the more you can make the other person emotionally embarrassed of their desperately incorrect position the better. The latter is dependent on the former.
ijust1 1 year ago
Pwnage is just fun, pure and simple. Screw this "respectful" nonsense.
MindlessGlitch 1 year ago
Spawk your computer is back!
IndividualAutonomy 1 year ago
@IndividualAutonomy Yea, it took hours.
BTW unmod reg so I can kick him out.
spawktalk 1 year ago
@spawktalk
He already left.
IndividualAutonomy 1 year ago
I have to agree. People don't get convinced by a gentle tap in the right direction. Even if that person is not convinced, they likely have many people watching them who will be. The most popular things out there, like maddox, that have absolutely insane amounts of fans, use insulting. It helps these followers to be steered in the right direction and see that stupidity is not okay.
assassinatorgirl 1 year ago
jericomovie, everything about Spawk is repugnant, one learns this rather quickly.
LudditeRomantic 1 year ago
You're advocating what sounds like a kind of Intellectual Machiavellianism, if such a thing exists. Your reasons "why" are that such discourages bad ideas, *but* you can only expect to do this on the basis of, "because you will be teased," and this is done instead of teaching the value of independent reasoning. It would be short sighted to assume that value of reason would be implied with what you are saying, since all that you are saying merely amounts to a Skinnerian fear tactic. (continued)
jericomovie 1 year ago
@jericomovie
I would challenge you to find me someone who would was convinced by an opponent by being humiliated.
As for people who never adopted a position because they saw someone else "be made example of" that is a social failure too, because the observer has no basis to judge the rightness or wrongness of an idea for himself. If all he does is react to public displays of humiliation, he becomes a group-think sheep.
This is repugnant.
jericomovie 1 year ago
@jericomovie
I used to go by the handle "Nietzschean101." This is only relevant in that I was once the target of one of Spawk's shitty little ad hom, quasi intellectual videos. Anyways, in light of my disgust with his video featured here, I posted a kind of indirect video response "Spawk Ought Not Talk." Now, you may perhaps find the ad hominems of my own distasteful, but I do delve a bit into the topic of moral realism if interested...you can just skip the first several minutes if inclined.
LudditeRomantic 1 year ago
@LudditeRomantic
you got intensely pwned by cali9ula, that was absolutely classic pwnage. thank you for identifying yourself.
oiuoiu988 1 year ago
@oiuoiu988
Lol, Cali9ula? That clown couldn't pwn VenomFangX. He is a sub par, and by that I mean waaaayyyy sub par, half assed thinker, a trite little ideologue simply looking to reaffirm his presuppositions, a joke really. But, as I told him before in the past, to we sensitive souls, that guy is something to pity, not laugh at.
LudditeRomantic 1 year ago
@LudditeRomantic
so does that mean venomfangX could pwn you even easier than cali9ula did?? you really think his thinking would have a hard time shooting under 72 in regulation??
oiuoiu988 1 year ago
@oiuoiu988
Well, conversation ended as you have revealed yourself an unthinking stupid little cali9ula the clown junkie; if you could get off cali9ula's penis for a couple of minutes, you might look around the world and learn a thing or two...
LudditeRomantic 1 year ago
@LudditeRomantic
oh youre so smart... its not like i agree with cali9ula on everything man so try again.
oiuoiu988 1 year ago
@jericomovie
I should say, I appreciated your video. Thanks.
LudditeRomantic 1 year ago
@LudditeRomantic
thanks
jericomovie 1 year ago
@jericomovie I was *pwned*, which caused me to read upon the topic(specifically -Govt' Regulations) and ended up agreeing w/ the person that humiliated me. This was when I was a statist and thought I understood economics.
fireman12888 1 year ago
@jericomovie
me, i was... and its not that i was convinced of the position of the pwner as much as i was convinced that the position of the pwnee was terribly wrong.
oiuoiu988 1 year ago
@jericomovie The point is not to get people to not have ideas that I ahve labeled as "bad". It is to get people to seek a further understanding of the ideas they hold. There is no dichotomy between being teased and the value of independent reasoning. And such is not implied, I often make it explicit. Anyhow, even if I didnt I think the message would be clear. If, for instance, I make a video to someone who advocates a "mixed economy" because of hte news knowledge they have acquired and I comein
spawktalk 1 year ago
@jericomovie And "pwn" him he is not going to suddenly drop statism. He will do one of two things, either ignore what i have siad, or do some research themselves. Ive been debating online for a number of years, and I know for a fact taht there are people this has worked on. Infact, in my experience it has been much more effective than "polite discussion" .
spawktalk 1 year ago
@jericomovie And , again the idea is not to punish disagreement. People who dont hold the position of the person being pwned wont be changed, they already thought what was being siad was wrong. However, such is not the case for the people watching who do agree with him, The chances of them having their mind changed because they saw someone with the same view being made a fool of is slim
spawktalk 1 year ago
@jericomovie However, there is a decent chance that they be more inclined to research said position.
spawktalk 1 year ago
Humiliation has been used by societies to keep people in line for thousands of years. Pwnage is the most modern form of this practice, and I advocate its use wherever possible.
The pwnee is shown the error of their ways so that they may become wiser, the pwner is rewarded in the satisfaction of knowing that untruths have been dashed, and the audience is educated while enjoying a laugh at the pwnee's expense. How is this not a profitable enterprise?
KagarBeardtooth 1 year ago
I need to say that I am glad you did this video, because I felt some uncool uneasiness while watching some parts of some of your prior videos, and this is the sign of a much more agreeable and mature person (in my eyes). I am glad you have a plan and the aggressive nature of some videos is being subjected to rational/conscious considerations. Props for the video.
dakshinamurti 1 year ago 3
@opheliaic oh yes i remember that video.
I agree, that was pretty good.
Ilikenuman 1 year ago
I have to put on my statist hat when it comes to pwnage and say that it is a necessary evil.
abortabraham 1 year ago
@opheliaic you really feel that way?
I live off pwnage. sure i like civil discourse, but some people deserve nothing but severe pwnage. I already have 2 pwnage videos cooking in my head at the moment.
Ilikenuman 1 year ago
@StatelessCapitalist
You're free to do whatever. But just as a matter of fact, I don't know of any YT videomaker has changed their mind more radically than me in response to arguments. Also you'll lose.
fringeelements 1 year ago
i've got nothing against pwnage vids (if the person pwning knows what they are talking about), b/c i find them to be hilarious, and they can be effective.
tactically however i sort of disagree. i've tried for myself the pwnage route and found that it brought me more resistance to the ideas i was promoting. the method i am trying nowadays is to just mostly go after ideas in order to avoid the people who will inevitably concentrate on attacks rather than the meat of the points being made.
junior00bacon00chee 1 year ago
@junior00bacon00chee
really tho, i support most or all the ways in which anti-statists make vids. the freedom "movement" is kind of true to itself in that way....certain ways of doing things will appeal to certain people. anti-statism can be couched in basically any way, ie, promoted by theists, atheists, leftists, rightists, etc, it can take on any flavor in order to attract new people.
some people dig the pwnage, some don't. we will garner both.
junior00bacon00chee 1 year ago
@junior00bacon00chee
well it was an implied pwnage of "common knowledge" on economics that originally turned me on to your videos. i understand there is a distinction between invidual pwnage and mass pwnage but i think they are both pwnage.
oiuoiu988 1 year ago
It's about deciding if the person you're responding to can be reasoned, or is never going to change their mind. If they will never change their mind, it's good to "pwn".
fringeelements 1 year ago
@fringeelements For Example: Oldhacks, Variablast, Vogter2100, etc.
KagarBeardtooth 1 year ago
@KagarBeardtooth
are you kidding me? oldhacks demolished ryan.
junior00bacon00chee 1 year ago
@junior00bacon00chee
Oh, right. I forgot. The disjointed arguments, distracting editing, and haggard appearance really pushed him over the top. He is truly one of the great debaters of our time. Haha
KagarBeardtooth 1 year ago
@KagarBeardtooth "youuuuuuu BASTARD!" - chris farley
oldhacks 1 year ago
@KagarBeardtooth plz do not lump me in with those turd burglars. plz?
oldhacks 1 year ago
@oldhacks
Okay. I retract that comparison, but ONLY because your Chris Farley quote made me laugh out loud.
KagarBeardtooth 1 year ago
#LOL, YouTube
tpsisokayiguess 1 year ago
@tpsisokayiguess #LOL #FAIL
tpsisokayiguess 1 year ago
Yes!
PS Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is awesome haha
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago 2
@InTheEndIWasRight What dojo do you train at?
darklord220 1 year ago
@darklord220 I dont want to give my location out there too much, or associate my personal views with the school. But I train in NY.
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
I would agree with the idea that I want to live in a society that shames the willfully ignorant instead of one that hails them as patriots, "regular joes" and even heros.
Idiocracy may have been a comedy, but it's surely where we are headed.
onlywhenprovoked 1 year ago
spawk is kinda like the marginal state of the youtube anti-statists, except he pwns with video responses while the state uses guns.
return135 1 year ago
I enjoy your robust conception of pwnage.
silentbob36 1 year ago 6
@silentbob36 Nice bp.
abortabraham 1 year ago