If you try to edit Cobain's Wiki page by adding what handwriting expert, Oxford Professor Reginald Alton stated, you will not be able to. Because the Professor has been banned by Wiki Administrators because of his statement regarding a different case. He also said the Vince Foster suicide note was a forgery. The Clintons are now fighting Oxford University to keep Alton out of Wiki. Sorry Cobain fans.
Spot on. It is *known* that the *gun oil* that the gun manufacturer uses, especially on new guns, allows skin oil that would normally leave a viable print to *migrate* into a non-viable smudge. Time and heat exacerbate migration. Here is a tidbit: The *only* thing that a lack of fingerprints prove is that THERE ARE NO FINGERPRINTS.
No one mentions the fact that there is no proof that ANYONE intended to destroy evidence by purposely removing fingerprints. This alone is a crime. it's a joke !
"appeared to be"...people care more about michael jackson's death than kurt's. at first it was said his (Michael's) death was a heart attack, but no people kept digging and digging and digging to find an answer. they did. then looked DEEPER....what did kurt get? "oh...he shot himself. no fingerprints on the gun but whatever, case closed"...bullshit!
It is unfair to compare the two cases. There was a "doctor" who was present when M.J. died. What "digging" was done except to look at cell phone records and search and seizure of the "doctors" places of business ? You make it seem like Sherlock Holmes was called in to find the guilty party in the death of M.J.
deeper, DEEPER - *that* is bullshit.
You argument simply does not flush. It is a thinly veiled attempt to make a completely uninformed and pointless statement.
How can you say that ? Who are "they" ? And why would "they" care about a 16 year old case that that has nothing of cause to reopen it ?
If you imply that M.J. got more recognition, you are spot on as he was immensely more popular than Kurt ever could have been. That is just a fact of life, and pursuing a resentment against "them" seems pointless.
Don't get me wrong, I know what you are getting at, and I respect that. Life is unfair, that's just the way it is when millions of $ are at stake.
@Fliedermous I agree. I didn't know him, but i'm sure he wouldn't want everyone getting all crazy over how his death happened. Let's just appreciate what he left behind. RIP.
Just because of these people, I keep going over and over the known evidence, just to make sure I didn't miss anything, and I even tend to find out something I didn't know, most of the time, but it always leads me back to what I already knew: Kurt's dead. Courtney's sad. Understandably so. Someone shut up Tom Grant, already.
twilightlover478: Let me get this straight...according to you, someone was paid to kill Kurt, then killed himself a week later, yet you then go on to say: " this will forever remain a mystery"?! Furthermore, all your info must be true "cuz I saw it in a newspaper" ? Oh well, you've clearly got it all wrapped up. Nice job.
I retract that last post as I've just noticed you are 13 yrs old. Too young to debate anything and certainly young enough to believe anything you read in the papers. Kurt Cobain was a brilliantly talented man who appeared, tragically, to take his own life. It has been said that he couldn't handle the rejection of his fans when he tried to depart from the music he was known for and take on a solo career.
it's ridiculous. people ask me how i can be so cold, and how i can still listen to his music. people tell me i'm not a fan of nirvana. all this just because i believe what the evidence points to.
Thank you for showing others the nature of critical thinking. I believe for the same reasons you point out clearly that there was no "crime" involved in Kurt's death. Any one who calls you "cold" does not have an innate ability or respect one who is able to come to a conclusion on their own. If you don't stand up for what you believe in, what are you? If you don't have passion for knowledge and truth, how do you survive ?
Who is qualified to tell you what you are anyway? You know the truth....
the dude who was paid to kill kurt killed himself a week later by standing on the railroad tracks and he got hit so this will forever remain a mystery and it was ruled as a murder cuz i saw it in a newspaper
i dont think courtney would have done it if she was no good for kurt he would have known but i personally think it was suicide he had tried to kill himself before so he could have succeded but ppl blame it on courtney cos they dont want to beleve wat really happened
Depression is an intresting thing, not every thing we enjoy in our lives, is enjoyable for everyone else. If he was depressed it could have sprung up in a second. And if he was truly doing drugs..Well They don't go to well together.
He tried to commit suicide after a concert in Rome , went to rehab for a day or so, and bailed. If you can't see the reality that he really did commit suicide then your just in denial. People commit suicide every day, but because hes a rockstar its too improbable for your petty minds to comprehend, he did it . R.I.P Kurt & MTV
its not that man, its that the evedence pointing towards a suicide is so vauge, the shotgun was fucking wiped, and blood tests showed that he was up to his eyeballs on so many drugs he wouldn't have been able to even lift a shotgun let alone pull the trigger
Listen it was sucide he was fed up with life and wanted to end it all even if he did not shoot himself he would died from an overdose of heroin which he took before he put the shotgun in his mouth and pulled the trigger and blew his brains out
why kill yourself with a gun when your a heroin addict..a rich one at that... its easier to od.. not to mention the fact that in his blood they found 3 times the "normal" dose of heroin which is by the way lethal... he wouldnt of been able to standup let alone blow his own head off... so "listen" scott because you dont know all the facts just what tv said.. there wasnt even an investigation it was all hurried i think if atleast they looeked into it more people wouldnt come to these conclusions
@Nirvanarockslife Kurt killed himself. Don't be fooled by the lies of a shitty PI and a lame reporter. No evidence at all: the morphine level was made up by the seattlePI,the note was written by Kurt, there were fingerprints in the shotgun...
I guess people want to believe he was murdered because is easier to understand. Sad.
im not really sure if kurts death was suicid or not but he really shouldnt have married courtney love because as you can see now she is totally insane
I miss you sooo fucking much! :((((
JanPotrc 2 months ago
Well, we won't ever know if it was suicide or murder.
R.I.P. from Bosnia
WillyBIH 7 months ago
drunks don;t pull trigger.
parto65 7 months ago
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If you try to edit Cobain's Wiki page by adding what handwriting expert, Oxford Professor Reginald Alton stated, you will not be able to. Because the Professor has been banned by Wiki Administrators because of his statement regarding a different case. He also said the Vince Foster suicide note was a forgery. The Clintons are now fighting Oxford University to keep Alton out of Wiki. Sorry Cobain fans.
nelsonbaker77 1 year ago
YEP Murder, she did it R I P My Hero. xxxx
NIRVANAKurtCobain27 1 year ago
R.I.P. from Lebanon :( <3
saraldfe 1 year ago
thats just a damn shame....-_-'
mydawgsbeast81 1 year ago
fags they have put mjs musics forever in mtv, when kurt died just for one week they did that
hugofernanades 2 years ago
@hugofernanades Its not fair
SlipKnoTViKiNgMeTaLx 1 year ago
These statements about fingerprints are so misleading. There were fingerprints on the gun. Just none that were identifiable.
Just a point that irritates me to be left out.
jadethevirginqueen 2 years ago
Spot on. It is *known* that the *gun oil* that the gun manufacturer uses, especially on new guns, allows skin oil that would normally leave a viable print to *migrate* into a non-viable smudge. Time and heat exacerbate migration. Here is a tidbit: The *only* thing that a lack of fingerprints prove is that THERE ARE NO FINGERPRINTS.
No one mentions the fact that there is no proof that ANYONE intended to destroy evidence by purposely removing fingerprints. This alone is a crime. it's a joke !
Fliedermous 2 years ago
Actually, that further confirms what I already knew. There we go.
jadethevirginqueen 2 years ago
"appeared to be"...people care more about michael jackson's death than kurt's. at first it was said his (Michael's) death was a heart attack, but no people kept digging and digging and digging to find an answer. they did. then looked DEEPER....what did kurt get? "oh...he shot himself. no fingerprints on the gun but whatever, case closed"...bullshit!
LostReality33 2 years ago 3
It is unfair to compare the two cases. There was a "doctor" who was present when M.J. died. What "digging" was done except to look at cell phone records and search and seizure of the "doctors" places of business ? You make it seem like Sherlock Holmes was called in to find the guilty party in the death of M.J.
deeper, DEEPER - *that* is bullshit.
You argument simply does not flush. It is a thinly veiled attempt to make a completely uninformed and pointless statement.
Fliedermous 2 years ago
no they don't care about Kurt just M.J
LostReality33 2 years ago
How can you say that ? Who are "they" ? And why would "they" care about a 16 year old case that that has nothing of cause to reopen it ?
If you imply that M.J. got more recognition, you are spot on as he was immensely more popular than Kurt ever could have been. That is just a fact of life, and pursuing a resentment against "them" seems pointless.
Don't get me wrong, I know what you are getting at, and I respect that. Life is unfair, that's just the way it is when millions of $ are at stake.
Fliedermous 2 years ago
you're right. and it is immensely unfair.
LostReality33 2 years ago
Don't lose sight of the few things that are right, like the opportunity to listen to Kurt's music.
That is what he left us, and that is all we have. Keep the fire burning.
Fliedermous 2 years ago 2
@Fliedermous I agree. I didn't know him, but i'm sure he wouldn't want everyone getting all crazy over how his death happened. Let's just appreciate what he left behind. RIP.
EllieScreamx 1 year ago
Just because of these people, I keep going over and over the known evidence, just to make sure I didn't miss anything, and I even tend to find out something I didn't know, most of the time, but it always leads me back to what I already knew: Kurt's dead. Courtney's sad. Understandably so. Someone shut up Tom Grant, already.
jadethevirginqueen 2 years ago
twilightlover478: Let me get this straight...according to you, someone was paid to kill Kurt, then killed himself a week later, yet you then go on to say: " this will forever remain a mystery"?! Furthermore, all your info must be true "cuz I saw it in a newspaper" ? Oh well, you've clearly got it all wrapped up. Nice job.
cumulonimbus71 2 years ago 3
I retract that last post as I've just noticed you are 13 yrs old. Too young to debate anything and certainly young enough to believe anything you read in the papers. Kurt Cobain was a brilliantly talented man who appeared, tragically, to take his own life. It has been said that he couldn't handle the rejection of his fans when he tried to depart from the music he was known for and take on a solo career.
cumulonimbus71 2 years ago
yeah, what the fuck is that person talking about?
We'll never know what happened. it was probably a suicide, but who knows?
MrLevi812 2 years ago
Kurt Cobain committed suicide
Courtney is NOT a killer
There is NO PROOF that ANYONE killed Kurt
The hate just keeps on rolling in.
Fliedermous 2 years ago
I agree with you for the most part, man.
it's ridiculous. people ask me how i can be so cold, and how i can still listen to his music. people tell me i'm not a fan of nirvana. all this just because i believe what the evidence points to.
MrLevi812 2 years ago
Thank you for showing others the nature of critical thinking. I believe for the same reasons you point out clearly that there was no "crime" involved in Kurt's death. Any one who calls you "cold" does not have an innate ability or respect one who is able to come to a conclusion on their own. If you don't stand up for what you believe in, what are you? If you don't have passion for knowledge and truth, how do you survive ?
Who is qualified to tell you what you are anyway? You know the truth....
Fliedermous 2 years ago
the dude who was paid to kill kurt killed himself a week later by standing on the railroad tracks and he got hit so this will forever remain a mystery and it was ruled as a murder cuz i saw it in a newspaper
twilightlover478 2 years ago
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Fliedermous 2 years ago
it was a week later but also 3 years later i still find it coincidental though
queenforlife96 2 years ago
People blame it on Courtney.
All of this is very confusing, no one knows what really happend.
He took Heroin before he shot himself, but everyone is saying that he took so much he wouldn't have been able to stand, let alone hold a gun.
And there were no finger prints on the gun.
And the note he wrote, he said Frances was better off without him, but he loved both her and Courtney.
This is all very confusing...
RyuzakisLawyer 2 years ago
i dont think courtney would have done it if she was no good for kurt he would have known but i personally think it was suicide he had tried to kill himself before so he could have succeded but ppl blame it on courtney cos they dont want to beleve wat really happened
XxXLindseywayXxX 2 years ago
No confusion:
There is NO PROOF that Kurt died from anything other than his own hand.
The CoD is suicide.
It was yesterday
it is today
and will be tomorrow
Fliedermous 2 years ago
:'(
RockerRaverGirl 2 years ago
Self inflicted my ass!
IronSatanica 2 years ago
Depression is an intresting thing, not every thing we enjoy in our lives, is enjoyable for everyone else. If he was depressed it could have sprung up in a second. And if he was truly doing drugs..Well They don't go to well together.
It's sad to see anyone die.
slayenmaster 2 years ago
:'[
BarneyKillsChildren 3 years ago
He tried to commit suicide after a concert in Rome , went to rehab for a day or so, and bailed. If you can't see the reality that he really did commit suicide then your just in denial. People commit suicide every day, but because hes a rockstar its too improbable for your petty minds to comprehend, he did it . R.I.P Kurt & MTV
Macaroni590 3 years ago
its not that man, its that the evedence pointing towards a suicide is so vauge, the shotgun was fucking wiped, and blood tests showed that he was up to his eyeballs on so many drugs he wouldn't have been able to even lift a shotgun let alone pull the trigger
illosion 2 years ago
dude i no courtney love killed him,he wouldnt kill himself wen he had a kid and had all that other shit goin 4 him,even if he was high theres no way.
emoathiest12394 3 years ago 2
Listen it was sucide he was fed up with life and wanted to end it all even if he did not shoot himself he would died from an overdose of heroin which he took before he put the shotgun in his mouth and pulled the trigger and blew his brains out
scotte1908 3 years ago
why kill yourself with a gun when your a heroin addict..a rich one at that... its easier to od.. not to mention the fact that in his blood they found 3 times the "normal" dose of heroin which is by the way lethal... he wouldnt of been able to standup let alone blow his own head off... so "listen" scott because you dont know all the facts just what tv said.. there wasnt even an investigation it was all hurried i think if atleast they looeked into it more people wouldnt come to these conclusions
rickhorror 2 years ago
+ no fingerprints on the shotgun.
katerumas 2 years ago
im sure he was on drugs, but still, death by self inflicted shotgun wound? i think not...
poorite 3 years ago
kurt CObain
XxNothingInTheWayxX 4 years ago
murder, bloody cold hearted murder
Nirvanarockslife 4 years ago 21
Amen
MCRxHelena 4 years ago 6
whoa i didnt even think of that possibility
leobachi53 4 years ago
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@Nirvanarockslife Kurt killed himself. Don't be fooled by the lies of a shitty PI and a lame reporter. No evidence at all: the morphine level was made up by the seattlePI,the note was written by Kurt, there were fingerprints in the shotgun...
I guess people want to believe he was murdered because is easier to understand. Sad.
RuudvanGOLL 1 year ago
im not really sure if kurts death was suicid or not but he really shouldnt have married courtney love because as you can see now she is totally insane
elementsk8101 4 years ago 4