Can anyone tell me what documentary the last sentence on some of C0nc0rdance's videos are from? I mean "Every cell of each plant and animal contains genetic information coded onto the DNA molecule. The model rep..."
Good points, however let's stop arguing over how much/what kind of damage these additives cause, but why they need to be in a vaccine in the first place. If the medical establishment wants cooperation with the vaccine program, it's simple; get mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde, etc out of it and make it safer. Re. dose dependency of mercury, ask how much tuna an infant with a newly developing neurological system ingests or how well an injected toxin is excreted to make that a relevant point.
[get mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde, etc out of it and make it safer. ]
If you can maintain the integrity and effectiveness of the vaccine with those items removed then by all means, go for it.
However, the basic principle at work is "risk VS reward." The risk is nominal and the rewards are vast and numerous. If you can make a product with absolutely no risk in any context, I think you'd be the most accomplished man in history.
That sounds like a very reasonable proposition, but do you understand why trace amount of formaldehyde (or any other substance) are present in vaccines? They're not added for giggles, they're part of processing proteins in a sterile manner. They keep the shots safe.
Everyone is in favor of safe vaccines. The scientific community (myself included) have children as well. We have "skin" in this game, just like you.
@C0nc0rdance I do understand, and that would be an excellent place for a lot of our otherwise misappropriated tax dollars to go. We don't know the risks to be "nominal"; that's the grand experiment, isn't it? We are able to have long term studies after decades of exposure to millions of people. In the meantime, good nutrition and sanitation have proven to be the gifts that keeps on giving, at least until Monsanto takes over our food supply entirely. ( :
You know, I hate to jump in here because honestly, I'm not the scienciest guy in science land but I think I can help with a little illustration for the kids at home.
You know, that's a good question. I'd guess quite a bit. I'm going to assume that human sex acts and genitalia diagrams have already been covered, though.
@ronocko you know you've done some serious facepalming when your rectum bleeds! I'm with ya. There are some rate morons commenting in here. tha's one big fucking photon.
The thing with these anti-vaccine groups, related to autism, are mostly parents that need someone to blame, because they can't handle 2 things, 1, there's a genetic factor, their genes contributed to their child having autism (I said contributed, not caused) and, more importantly, SHIT HAPPENS.
I keep trying to explain my dad about the known and suspected causation factors of autism spectrum disorders, but he just can't understand either. He thinks I'm telling him its his fault or something.
setag54321 is one of those anti-science guys who agrees with anything science doesn't agree with. He's pro the use of MMS! Also he said "Cancer is actually a phlemorphic organism...a bacteria, fungus, and virus...that adapts to its environment to survive. This was proven in the 30's but for some reason Western Medicine will not acknowledge these findings. If you empower a cells natural defenses it can defeat basically anything"
@explosivoification Absolutely correct and I appreciate you informing the public of cancer really is. Here's a question...How can our scientists today battle a virus, any virus, when they can NOT even see a LIVING virus under a microscope...to determine how it lives and functions. The only virus our scientists look at today is a DEAD virus! That's right..DEAD..How do you know if you can kill it, if it's always dead? They look at cells, that's it. Research Dr Raymond RIFE
@setag54321 I am uncertain as to how you arrive at the conclusion that viruses cannot be seen under a microscope--presumably you mean a convention microscope of relatively low resolution. Scanning electron microscopes have no trouble seeing viruses, even as small as HIV. Mind you, that technology has only existed since the 70's, so you are only 40 years out of date.
You are correct regarding the fact that scientist can view a virus under a electron microscope. If you read my retort, it states scientists can NOT view a LIVING virus...this is due to the fact that electrons kill viruses therefore scientists today are NOT able to see a LIVING virus...but ONLY dead viruses. So, the common sense question one must ask is: how can one make the determination that they have killed the said virus when it is already dead? Read more............
@setag54321 I have a feeling you are slightly(or completely) talking out of your ass.
First, a virus isn't regarded as "alive".
Second, if Electrons killed viruses so easily, then the treatment for it wouldn't be chemical no?
A virus often is better compared to a complex strand of molecules that interfaces with cell machinery, taking over the cell to make it create more copies of the virus.
Continuation...Electron microscopes in the mid 30's had the magnification of 500,000X, so to correct you...scientists had the ability to look at viruses way back then. The reason standard light (today's scopes) microscopes (and this is pretty cool) can't view a virus is due to the fact that a virus is smaller than a photon of light and therfore can not be illuminated by light. Dr Rife bent light using a prism, which allowed the magnification and the frequency of the virus
I didn't find much of interest in your ramble, but I feel like I should correct this particular bit of face-palmery:
"a virus is smaller than a photon of light"
Viruses are not smaller than photons, which are subatomic in size, but they can be smaller than visible light wavelengths. A typical virus is 20 -- 400 nm (visible light wavelengths are 300-700 nm), but some are as large as 2000 nm.
Thank you for correcting me, so my point still stands..Scientists are NOT ABLE to view a LIVING virus. Science today has never seen a LIVING virus, therefore science/dogma does NOT truly know what a virus really is, how it lives, mutates, feeds, or even if the procedure harmed the targeted virus. IT'S all a GUESS... because the virus itself is invisible to modern day science. Electron microscopes however can view a virus after it's dead (radiation will do that! it's good for you)
@ptolomey12 Never said that...they do exist and they adapt to their environment to survive, ie pleomorphic. They are alive and operate at a particular frequency just as you and I. That is documented by the way,when our frequency drops to particular level a particular disease based on the frequency will have infected us. If you could find the frequency that the virus is operating at, you can actually implode the virus on itself, the folks at the Smithsonian will verify. Research Rife
@setag54321 They are not alive. I researched rife, I challenge you to show me one reputable paper that this has an benefit in vivo. And a change in frequency makes us more susceptible to viral infection. Are you kidding? Are you actually for real? An in vitro study does not prove therapeutic benefit. You put bleach in a tube with cancer cells it kills them, doesn't mean it should be given IV to a patient
@ptolomey12 Here's the link to the Smithsonian paper back in 1944 regarding the technology Dr Rife developed and what the folks at the Smithsonian observed. wwwdotrifedotde/files/smithsoniandotpdf Enjoy the read Rife was truly a brilliant man. His Universal Microscope consisted of 5K plus parts that he made, except for the prisms. Once this article was revealed and another from a major scientific journal the man was blackballed. Dr's that new him denied ever meeting him, real sad?
@yootoobisrunbyidiots I miss understood your statement and you as well mine. I was referring to light amplification microscopes. Dr Rife had scopes that were in the range of 25000X to 60000X power scopes, which enabled him to look at living viruses. Again the folks at the Smithsonian witnessed this, by looking through his scopes at living viruses (Polio, Tuburculosis, etc). Again, this is somthing our LAWS say is impossible today, but still DOCUMENTED! Look up RIFE
The reality IS....science is killing the CELLS in the body!..... Along with the virus that is hurting the CELL (that's causing or caused the mutation in the cell), THE VIRUS CAUSED THE MUTATION TO OCCURE IN THE CELL. The cell MUTATED due to a infection caused by a VIRUS. The CELL DID NOT just start abnormally mutating out of THIN AIR. If you kill the virus you CURE the CELL. Collateral damage does not fix the body (it's just a 5yr stay of execution) unfortunately.
@setag54321 actually, if you kill a virus in the cell that has been fully mutated by the virus, the cell will more likely die too and get replaced, it won't be cured.
If all the crap you are spewing had any foundation in reality, treatment for virus infections would be to blast the body with electrons, killing the virus, and then suddenly the person would be feeling alright again.
@enlightendbel Actually the concept I was speaking of is similar to what you are proposing, BUT I wouldn't use electrons (radiation)...modern science already does that and the survival rate is in the low percentile, depending on how badly the persons immune system is. The concept I'm in favor of is determining the correct frequency that the virus emanates at, then blast it. Similar to shattering a glass. Research RIFE and the Smithsonian, it's been done before (suppressed)
@enlightendbel Cells that have been infiltrated by the virus will die. Billiions of cells in the body by the way if not trillions....radiation will kill the body(electrons ie electron microscopes)..I'm speaking in regards to the proper frequency that would kill the virus....not electrons, Radiation is the modern medicine (this concept will put off the ends of the mean) Viruses will infect the body at a latter date due to a weakened immune system due to toxins/radaiation therapy.
@Dream0Asylum Collateral damage doesn't work....that concept doesn't even fair well militarily either. We've killed over a million Iraqis for what? If you destroy massive amounts of living cells with a virus...yeah the virus died, but the detriment to the immune system will allow another virus attack normally within 5 yrs. That attack more than likely will take the patient out. Trading one evil for another and dogma calls it a success, just like killing 100k's of innocent ppl??
Living cells with a virus are dead already. Once the membrane is compromised, it's over. That cell stopped being biology and started being raw resources, toxins, and waste.
[another virus attack normally within 5 yrs ... take the patient out]
I'd love to see the study that says patients won't live longer than 5 years after getting a vaccination. Hell, I'd love to see the raw science that could constitute such a claim at all.
@Dream0Asylum Wow, if what he said about dyinng 5 years later was true...humanity would be gone by now. I got vaccinations when I was under 10. I'm 17 1/2 as of 3 days from now.
@Dream0Asylum Sorry I kind of diverged into cancer therapy, went off topic just a bit, but then again vaccines are fighting viruses..one in the same. I'll agree vaccines WON'T kill you in 5 years in average. BUT who knows the side effects that may occure from a bad vaccine. Remeber Baxter and the flu vaccines a couple years ago with H1n1...a mistake that would have killed millions folks in europe. Thank god they tested the 100k plus vaccines on ferrets first...........research
The SMITHSONIAN folks agreed with RIFE, they saw what he saw with their own eyes and published it! Check your facts all of you....Before vaccines were introduced in the 50's the immune system was developing resistance to the Polio Virus. After vaccines were introduced a sharp INCREASE in outbreaks occured for the next 10 to 15 years. AND yes a virus is pleomorphic, it adapts to its environment, just like you. Western Med has its place & I thank them for that, but not ALL!
So, if the Government's vaccinating our canned tuna, why we need go get jabbed in the arm (or bum)? Fortunately, I don't eat canned tuna, so them son of a bitches aren't going to blame me for some kid in America getting Down syndrome!
The next stupid propaganda "vaccines makes yout dick to become short"... Yup, I'm gona wait for some one to propagand that, and send that person in a brainwash place, to make it like a normal person.
I believe I'm going to rely on Wilson Wilson from Home Improvement here to summarise the whole conspiracy theology behind this. "Yes, education is a good thing. But, on the other hand, a little education and a vivid imagination can make a person cuckoo."
My mother is an anti-vaccer and she refuses to let my sister get the HPV vaccine... I used to have a really good relationship with my mum, but I feel like her convictions that the whole world is against her has really torn our relationship apart. She's also a 911 conspiracist, chemtrailer, and has introduced me to "Jesus". You can actually find her Jesus on youtube. His name is Brian Golightly Leonard Marshall iirc... he's also a doomsdayer.. f the people in my life...
It was baffling to find out many of these ppl who are anti-vaccine and 9-11 truthers call themselves atheist. My theory is they still have a lot of indoctrination baggage left over. Therefore 'god' has been replaced w/David Icke & conspiracy theories. Still believing in BS that has no scientific substance whatsoever
Good luck trying to get thru to 'em using hard evidence. The more you do that, the more some of 'em sound like a crazy homeless person screaming bout how the world will end in 2012
Let me make sure I have this straight - If thimerosal did cause autism, the peak in autism for 2-4 year-olds should have been in 1996 at the very latest (and perhaps sooner depending on the average age such shots are administered), right? Likewise, it should have been 1998 at the very latest for the 5-6 year-olds?
It's hard for me to keep straight, too. The year of diagnosis is about 2 for most autism, and the vaccine exposure is about 18 months... that would have led me to suspect that if vaccines cause autism, the trend should have started downward at or about 1992. I THINK that the authors are saying that even children BORN after the removal still had an increase in autism diagnosis, so there's no way that even post-partum vaccines could have caused trending down.
@C0nc0rdance a more believable, and consistent theory, is the amount of vaccines that toddlers get, it's a lot, more than there were. so, some have suggested it's a genetic predisposition, it should be testable -before- vaccines are given, then there would be a method to study this properly. there's been others pointing at combined vaccines too MMR. a childs immune system doesn't completely develop till it's a few years old, overloading it with vaccines may be the problem.
Mercury is good for you...just ask the ADA or a nerve cell? Nevermind it's one of the MOST toxic substances on the periodic table...but that's really irreleavent, isn't it? I'd say the best analogy regarding autism, is the concept of the Joker in Batman. You see the Joker used numerous products to accomplish his goal of a perfect smile:) This concealed the cause and effect of the :). Young developing immune systems do not need toxins! Your not ALLOWED to sue big pharma???
There's a fundamental concept in toxicology: "The dose makes the poison". It's not the chemical structure alone that makes something a toxin, it's the dose or exposure. There is mercury in food, drinking water, the air, and all through your body. It's not the presence or absence, but the dose.
Multi-inject vaccines had 0.000025 grams of mercury/dose. There are 0.000050 grams of mercury in a can of tuna, twice as much as the vaccine.
Interesting, so mercury is some what good for you in the lowest dose as your saying, or atleast acceptable by the FDA/pharmacology (one and the same/revolving doors). I'd prefer not to eat it at all if possible, let alone put into a young child that has a evolving immune system. Would you inject toxic chemicals NO MATTER what percentage into your child? JUST BECAUSE THE FDA SAID IT WAS OKAY. I feel sorry for your children.I know the answer...good luck. Noah story dates to 10K BC (bible old news)
@setag54321 concordance didnt actually say its good for you,
theres a big difference between being not BAD for you, and being 'good for you'
another thing.. pharmacology isnt the FDA the FDA is the american agency for food and drugs pharmacology is an entire scientific discipline. not the same thing
hes arguing its not likely to do any harm, there is a point at which it can actually have an effect
@setag54321 "Would you inject toxic chemicals NO MATTER what percentage into your child?"
I know it's sick, it's like parents who let their kids eat salt. My parents let me put salt on my food as a kid, when i found out how shitloads of salt taken all at once could kill you i never forgave them.
10K BC? That doesn't seem relevant but if it's true at least it's one more thing that disproves the young earth creationists.
@C0nc0rdance so it's safe to feed under 2 year-olds as much canned tuna as they like in comparison to a fully developed adult (with a fully developed brain)??
@C0nc0rdance COncOrdance, you never cease to amaze me. Your attention to detail and genuine concern when it comes to bullshit like this is what makes me come back to your videos time and time again. Cheers, good sir! I admire you.
@setag54321 Toxicity and the periodic table do not correlate with one another. EVERY single element on the periodic table is lethal. The fact is, singular elements are relatively rare, and molecules are what are toxic, but everything is safe at an appreciable level. For example, you have plutonium, radium, uranium, mercury in your body right now, but at such low levels they don't do any harm. Compounds naturally produced can be more toxic. For example, poison dart frogs poison.
what happens? i assume its negative otherwise you wouldnt have mentioned it
theres also one other thing,
even if it might increase the incidence of a side effect, depending on the vaccine one can strongly argue this is offset by the number of diseased that it would prevent
You can read Toxicol Sci. 2005 Jul;86(1):132-40. Effects of thimerosal on NGF signal transduction and cell death in neuroblastoma cells.
"EC50 for cell death in the presence or absence of NGF was 596 nM and 38.7 nM"
The effective dose was about 600 nM in a cell culture model. ~5 liters of blood in the human body. 404 g/mol. You'd need about 1.2 mg of thimerosal to hit that level. Each flu vaccine has 0.025 ug, so you'd need 48 flu shots in a 24 hr period.
Really 48 flu shots to cause damage,hmm...tell that to someone that had one flu shot and had an adverse reaction. It's not one size fits all, to start off with. Western medicine does not understand genetics enough to allow the considerable risk and potential side effects that could occure to a individual that may be more predisposed to a nasty side effect. That said, the pompous attitude of no harm can come to one, is insane. Try suing the manufacture, no responsibilty?
@setag54321 ZOMG ONE KID OUT OF MILLIONS WAS UNLUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE AN ADVERSE REACTION DUE TO CIRCUMSTANCES OUTSIDE OF THE CONTROL OF THE DOCTORS. BECAUSE HIS GENETICS WERE JUST RIGHT THAT THE VACCINE DIDN'T COOPERATE CORRECTLY, WE MUST PREVENT EVERYONE FROM GETTING A VACCINE EVER.
@Evnyofdeath Why would you put a toxin into the body? So, the correlation regarding the increase in autism rates and the increase in the number of vaccines our children are now required to take by age 3 don't concern you. We'll just hock it up to genetics completely and not look at the pink elephant in the room. One out of a million? What pharmabio chem paid for that study? You do know THEY run the FDA, they all are paid shills with severe conflicts of interest..research Aspartame
@setag54321 "Why ... put a toxin into the body?" As said, MANY times by C0nc0rdance "The Dose makes the Posion". And as pointed out several times, a can of tuna has more mercury in it than a vaccine, and there are mercury free vaccines. Also, if you're that hung up over it, stop using toothpaste, because it has floride in it, which in high enough doses is a neurotoxin.
@Evnyofdeath Please keep injecting your offspring with toxic poisons...it will help the developing immune sytem...TRUST ME!!! I wear a shinny white lab coat and paid millions in clynical studies SO THAT THE CONCEPT IS SOUND! mother nature was all wrong and the human body will NOT develop nature antibodies to combat a virus, just like chicken-pox.? Flouride MAY? be good for the teeth but not for your ORGANS(injestion), think, WOW! Hitler thought the same way you do, REALLY, think!
@IKillBabyKittensLOL Just learned about Godwins Law (had to look it up). Yeah it was a low blow, BUT I didn't bring up fluoride. Makes me sick that some companies even bottle fluoridated water and market it to the American public as a preventative tooth decay product (for newborns no less). Please research fluorosis and the detrimental effects of the leaching of calcium from bones and the harm posed to organs. Yes hitler was a fan water fluoridation at the camps. sorry
@setag54321 No we don't trust people because they where a shiny lab coat we do it because it is irrefutable science that it works. No smallpox, no polio in the UK, small rates of mumps measles and rubella. Show me good evidence that vibrational therapy is of any benefit at all. Plus you obviously have little understanding of what a virus actually is. You live in a FANTASY
@setag54321 Once again as you apparently have not yet understood: Ethyl mercurate[Thimerosal] is C9H9HgNaO2S. METHYL mercury, which causes minimata disease, is CH3Hg+, a positive ion and much smaller molecule. The half-life of ethyl mercurate is 18 days; it does not build up in the body. METHYL mercury has a much longer half-life of 60 days, and deposits in the brain and spinal chord. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME. Furthermore Thimerosal is 49% Hg by weight, meaning that an MMR shot has ...
It should be noted that Thimerosal concentration in MMR vaccine is 25ug, or 0.000025grams. But only 0.0000125gr. is Hg. A 25 lb child has approx 20dl of blood, giving a real Thimerosal Hg blood concentration of 0.000625ug/dl. Not only is this substantially below the danger threshold for methyl mercury (10 ug/dl), it is below detectable levels.The concentration has to be calculated, not measured, as it is too small. It is called science...try it sometime.
@setag54321 Note, I am not a member of "Big Pharma" nor a scientist, take what I say as you will. From what I understand, the immune systems NEEDS stimulus in the developmental years to form proper defenses and without them it forms somewhat weak (which is why certain allergies and asthma are so common in the civilized world). A kid who plays around in dirt and mud will have a stronger Immune System than a kid who sits in a clean living room. So yes, immune systems needs shocks.
God/Nature had it all wrong? Toxins weaken the immune system, period. We all caught the chickenpox, but never again? No vacine required. The vacine is only effective if it's the EXACT virus contracted (100's and 1000's of strains outthere(fda physicics) and what's the side effect to get that exact virus in us(pros & cons). A strong immune system can handle anything in nature except for maybe manmade biological viruses. Good analogy with the dirt, but that's not manmade is it.
@Evnyofdeath Allergies and Asthma are more than likely due to the MEDIUM that is used to create the vaccines. Examples are monkey livers, pigs organs and aborted fetuses, etc. It's sick, we are putting dead children in a living child. This is fact. The reality is this DNA morphs with the DNA of a human being and replicates, and replicates and replicates. Do people realize this. You have a peanut allergy, then you probably have some monkey DNA in yah. This is correct research it.
@setag54321 First off, allergies and asthma are not connected to vaccines at all, I said they are caused by living in a too clean enviroment, we need some dirt to develope a proper immune system. Secondly, a fetus has stem cells, which no, are not a person, however they can turn into any cell from the human body. That is a medical miracle if there ever will be one.
Oh, and the reason we don't get the Chicken Pox ever again? The virus remains dormant in your system, you still have it.
@Evnyofdeath Really, a persons allergies can't be tied to roaming foreign DNA that is continually replicating itself inside ones body? Even if it were a pigs spleen, monkey kidney, etc..that the vaccine was cultured on and then injected into you, hmm? How about aborted fetuses cultured the vaccine is now injected into a living child (dead baby into living baby sick)? Yes stem cells are nature not man and awesome. A strong immune system controls the pox virus, no vaccine required.
@setag54321 Normally the usual pharma shills run around and attack anything unconventional.Everytime they are exposed as the frauds they really are,they get on the defensive.Its bogus and its getting old.Over 65000 lawsuits against drug companies within 6 years for the drugs that have caused millions to die or seriously injured from side effects.Dr.Barbara Starfield reported that over 106000 deaths per year from properly prescribed drugs.Shills here get biased information.
@setag54321 The drug doctors/allopaths hide behind the word science when infact the word is marketing.Suppression of symptoms until the patient/victim dies.It's about money schemes.I am happy the lawyers continue to expose the allopathic quacks.They usually mislead and attack people.Spreading lies and rumors from the nonsensical quackwatch and wikipedia websites which were written by Stephen Barrett who lost over 43 lawsuits and sued for defamation of character.A pseudoskeptic.
@setag54321 That's a fallacious claim. They don't use aborted fetuses for vaccines. The truth behind that claim is that the viral stocks used in some vaccines are grown in human cells; these cells were derived from aborted fetuses back in the 1960s and 1970s and have been propagated in cell culture continuously ever since. The claim that these cells's presence in vaccines could be the cause of anything is complete rubbish. tinyurlDOTcom/yku3uf5
@ArcanaKnight So you admit that it's a fact or was a fact at some point in time....appreciate your honesty. To the fact that vacines are cultured with various organs from varing tpes of animals in the the animal kingdom...to where as you say there is no potential damage or side effect to humans from the DNA replicication that takes place between the animals DNA and humans (allergies). Really? Oh, I forgot... it's good for or DNA to be mutated from its natural preconditioned code.
@setag54321 "you admit that it's a fact or was a fact at some point in time" No, I didn't. Vaccines don't contain fetal tissue, and cultured cells used to grow the diseases aren't "dead babies". You clearly didn't even glance at the article I linked to.
"it's good for or DNA to be mutated from its natural preconditioned code" What are you even talking about?
@ArcanaKnight I new you'd like that video..good luck in life..sure the dogmas are correct, heck even the 1000's of religions that've been repeating Sumarian mythologys all these 1k's of years (just with different names, but same plots). There's no conflict of interest with the FDA and big pharma... there is fiscal responsibility to the vaccine manufacture when one is injured. I've got some great swamp land I'd like to sell you. Keep shootin-up..Sit BOO BOO sit.... Cheers!
@setag54321 "Mercury is good for you...just ask the ADA or a nerve cell? Nevermind it's one of the MOST toxic substances on the periodic table...but that's really irreleavent, isn't it?"
Yes, it is irrelevant when considering doses so minute they are dwarfed by our environmental exposure. Why do you seem to think just because something is toxic in large doses and direct exposure that it means you can accuse caregivers and licensed medical doctors of this? Check your argument
Eating something and injecting something into the blood stream, may be a bit different. I for sure don't want to eat anything that contains a toxic agent in, no matter how minute. So that said, because someone tells me a acceptable level of toxins injected into the blood stream is okay, I'll pass and step OUTSIDE of the coral. Do you think all medical doctors vaccinate themselves and their family? You'd be surprised at the percentage that do NOT due to the inherent risk.
@setag54321 Little HealthFood is a fraud too, it just nickles and dimes for $5 and $10 so no one pays much attention to their totally ineffective remedies. It was the HealthFood stores which pushed mercury -- without meaning to -- during the Dolomite scandal of the 70's. They wanted to push "naturally sourced calcium" onto people, but what they were doing was taking calcium straight out of mined rocks, with mercury and arsenic impurities in it!
Folks should simply look at what thimerosal does to nerve endings undering a microscope and examine the reaction taking place when exposed to this substance. This in itself, should be enough to determine whether or not it should be injected into the human body..period! Let's not mention as well, the medium that is used to manufacture vaccines (fetuses, etc) .. We'll keep the dialog PG for the youth. We'll also not mention the replication of the degenerative DNA due to these toxic impacts.
I take your point about the this individual paper, but still there seems to be a couple of glairing questions. Firstly what did cause theses extraordinary autism figures, and secondly, do you think injecting mercury into infants is a good thing?
Is injecting mercury a good thing? Yes, absolutely, if that mercury is preventing bacterial growth that would result in sepsis and death in said infant. Why, do you think injecting live bacteria into the bloodstream of an infant is a good thing?
Now that we've traded barbs, perhaps we can wait until I can discuss autism causation in a separate video.
@C0nc0rdance Autism and Vaccines Researcher for Center for Disease Control and Prevention,Poul Thorsen,Indicted for Fraud and Money-Laundering Thursday, 14 Apr 2011 ATLANTA,Data manipulation and conflicts of interest in the Danish trials of the vaccine's,Poul Thorsen, the principal coordinator (THE BOSS)of multiple studies funded by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) THORSEN used to deny vaccine/autism link,was indicted on 13 counts of fraud and 9 counts of money-laundering.
Yeah, the guy turned out to be a crook... he padded his grant account to buy himself a motorcycle among other things, I think. He was the study records administrator, according to the grant, which means he was the scientific accountant in the group, not the boss. He's 4th of 7 authors, which means his role in the paper was pretty minor.
The source data (Bureau of Statistics, Denmark) is available for download if you want to look for data fudging. There is none.
bent reseach is bent reseach,and why call him the principal coordinator plus he needed someone in CDC to sign is money out so how many are on the take .your answer's are to pat my pharma srhill
The charges relate to funding for work he conducted for the CDC, which claimed to disprove associations between the mercury-based vaccine preservative, thimerosal, and increased rates of autism.
"Many biological studies support a link between mercury and autism, but these Danish studies have been used to suppress further research into thimerosal.
You idiots have been vaccinated, now your too stupid to know that the Vaccine actually caused your brain damage. When I grew up there was 6 vaccines by first grade, now they give you 20 or more and between 1992 and 2002, there was a 800% increase in autism.. Methyl Mercury in Tuna is different from direct injection of Ethyl Mercury in vaccines.
@Mi37591 Something I always wondered if the autism spectrum is a "brain damage", that you and those like you claim, how is it that autistic children on average have larger brains than non-autistic children? Spontaneously, I think it sounds strange that a brain injury makes the brain bigger.
@Ekergaard Bigger organs don't necessarily function better. Too big or too small are often signs that something is very wrong. A swollen brain can kill you. I don't know why the brain is bigger in cases of autism, but if the same number of neurons are present, it could mean they're being stretched and therefore have a more difficult time communicating properly?
The only way to fight this evil ignorance-in-action is to manufacture scandals on our own against them. It doesn't even matter that I am "giving away the political game plan" here. The opposing side the anti-science AGW-denying anti-vax crowds openly reveals THEIR game plan in plain sight! And, it hasn't hurt THEM.
I tried to start manufacturing scandals against AGW-deniers on Potholer54's site, but he is too stupid to allow my comments.
I wonder if these people are genetically inclined to be gullible and stupid. If so then perhaps this is a prime example of natural selection as these bad genes work themselves out of the gene pool by making their hosts less likely to listen to the good advice of doctors.
@Maserati7200 My sister has a mildly autistic child, and I remember her mentioning this crap when she first started finding out about autism. I told her that it was bullshit, and she should look into the criticism of the whole thing, and I haven't heard anything about it since. She is intelligent, so, I like to think that she came to the correct conclusions.
It's good to know what's probably not causing the autism, but far far better to know what is causing it. Would love to see a video reviewing cutting-edge research on possible culprits, and you're the pro!
The autism increase is alarming and surely caused by some environmental factor. Genetic explanations don't seem plausible minus an environmental variable. Or can purely genetic defects produce epidemic-like surges? I'd presume a priori that genetic-defect rates would remain relatively stable.
@iamgoddard More likely, from what I know, it's diagnostic substitution and increased awareness. Autism has probably been around as long as humans have been, but it's only recently that we've been refining terms for it and other psychological quirks. I'd have to look back (it's probably an old Respectful Insolence article where I saw it), but I remember a graph showing autism rising and mental retardation plummeting. The lines were nearly mirror images.
@TheBronzeDog, I found an example of the mirrored curves you mention. [*] Though I'd prefer to see it in a peer-reviewed journal, and maybe it is or will be, this seems a fascinating theory at least. Wow, suppose it's really a pseudo-epidemic, that would be a relief!
[*] Google: Autism and Mental Retardation as a percentage of All Disabilities
Here's the historical discussion in the literature:
Int J Epidemiol. 2009 Oct;38(5):1224-34.
Dev Med Child Neurol. 2008 May;50(5):341-5.
J Autism Dev Disord. 2008 Jul;38(6):1036-46.
Pediatrics. 2006 Apr;117(4):1028-37.
In general, it's agreed that 25 -- 40% of the increase is directly explained by diagnostic substitution of one category for another.... the other 60--75% is still not easily accounted for. Science is all about mysteries... this one has been tough.
@iamgoddard Not necessarily. Improved identification can play a large role, as can the survival of those with damaging conditions. Case in point, cancer. Many cancers only become prevalent with advanced age and others exhibit symptoms that can be mistakenly classified as some other disease or parasitic infection. If you can expect to die by 30 from plague, getting a lethal cancer at 65 isn't a problem you expect to face.
Having spent an entire year at university examining the correlation between autism and an inability to excrete heavy metals (most likely a genetic quirk in some individuals unlucky enough to have a missing pathway), while I'm in no way convinced of a vaccine link, I do believe that the heavy metal poisoning hypothesis has credit, and we should be examining all environmental sources that could account for the 30% or soNOT explained by expanded diagnostic criteria for Autism since the early 1990s.
The anti-vaccine club is just a shared paranoid delusion - they can't even *why* vaccines are bad.
One day it's the mercury causing heavy metal toxicity, next it's squalene causing autoimmunity, then it's an overload of the immune system because of too much vaccines given too fast...
Even if mercury and squalene were removed and the vaccines spaced out over a longer time, I bet they'd still find something to bitch about.
i argued with and anti vac guy on a board a while back. never again, it's like arguing with Young Earth Creationists. i showed him the Lancet statement saying it stood by its ruling/decision about Wakefields paper. An anti vac website took ONE SENTENCE from that statement and tried to make it seem like they were admitting Wakefield was right the whole time. it was so transparently bullshit that i was in a state of shock when the guy continued to defend it. they don't care about the truth.
I've noticed the similarities between a lot of denialist movements as well: anti-vacc, anti-evolution, anti-AGW. I have a critic who says that I'm just using the term "denialist" to tar people who disagree with me, but there are certain, very specific tactics that are employed by these unrelated movements. You identify a really important one: selective reading of the literature.
There was actually a newscientist article a while back that discussed denialism and conspiracy theory mentality. If I remember correctly they all share a very similar set of basic trends. I might go ahead and dig the article up.
@C0nc0rdance The frustrating thing was trying to figure out, is this person genuinely stupid and unable to comprehend what he reads, or is he knowingly lying because he thinks that his cause is correct in general, and it's ok to fudge some facts and lie about certain things, because it's for a good cause. i guess the other option was the confirmation bias, believing everything in Natural News is true, b/c they're the good guys. so if Natural News says it, it MUST be true.
@fkerpants Yeah, really makes me question if believing the stuff about 9/11 and FEMA camps is right or wrong. I already rejected God, I should be able to come to the actual truth myself...
@BillKiernan "they don't care about the truth." Ding ding ding. In fact, it sometimes feels like they are allergic to the truth- the more scientifically, objective, empirically founded, well gathered the evidence, the more they reject it fight against it. It often feels like an exercise in sheer madness to engage in any sort of reality-based discussion with ant-vac'ers....
@dog1dog2 most of them, aside from concerned mothers who are uneducated in science and susceptible to propaganda about the "dangers" of vaccines are conspiracy buffs vaccines are part of the NWO's plan to kill us all off/sterilize us/brainwash us etc. So, like any conspiracy theorist when data contradicts them, well that data is part of the conspiracy, they just poison the well and keep moving. the amusing thing is, when the data (seems) to support their position, suddenly the methods are valid
@BillKiernan Yep....and sadly, I deal directly with a lot of those "concerned, uneducated mothers," and they are often nearly as maddeningly unreachable as the seasoned conspiracy buffs....given my line of work, I have often wished I could just hit the delete button on the existence of Jenny McCarthy and "Dr." Joseph Mercola....
@dog1dog2 once it gets into their head it's almost impossible to get it out. and the rampant anti intellectualism in the U.S is another nail in the coffin. "you can prattle on with your fancy studies and graphs, my friend's kid got autism a week after she got the flu shot"
@BillKiernan .....argh!.....yep...I've heard remarkably similar blather often enough to want to self-lobotomize myself with a screwdriver.....to so, so many, there is nothing more compelling and generalizable than hearsay anecdotal testimony....
@BillKiernan Yep like the demonstration of ratio of car accidents in California was proportional to the import of Mexican lemons... So THEY HAVE TO BE RELATED! lol. You know what they say: the truth goes for a walk, the lie spam emails...
I just can't see the point in this conspiracy theory. The article suggesting the link between thiomersal and autism was a case of scientific fraud cooked up to support some sort of legal action against vaccine manufacturers--but it was retracted years ago, and is now known so widely as a fraud that it could hardly be used for that purpose any more. So why do these people bother? Wouldn't it be easier to invent a new conspiracy theory rather than push on with something no-one believes anyway?
@stcmsw102 "So why do these people bother? Wouldn't it be easier to invent a new conspiracy theory rather than push on with something no-one believes anyway?" their goal is to preach to the choir and keep them in the choir. and catch ignorant parents who see anything sciencey looking that says vaccines are dangerous and automatically believe it.
Hey, C0nc0rdance, I'm no conspiracy theorist and have for the most part noticed anti-vaccine people are right-wing conspiracy fucktards and I don't know if you've seen this video but if you could please check out this video from Mike Papantonio of GoLeftTV and let me know what you think.....that would be great. Here's the link. Please check it out watch?v=9njQLK9AVyg&feature=channel_video_title
One day vaccines will be recgnized as one of our species greatest achievements along with the wheel, fire, sanitation, germ theory, and electricity.
Given that there are STILL people who think that desease is caused by "toxins" and "negitive energy" we should not be too bent out of shape when we find people still oppose vaccination.
Vaccines are awesome. I have had the measles and the mumps and they cleared up faster and were less severe than if I hadn't been vaccinated. Thanks to the free flu vaccine I get because of my asthma, when I did get the flu, it didn't get as bad as it normally would and only lasted a few days, conveniently fitting in with work. I don't get why people are so against them.
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ArcanaKnight 1 month ago
Good points, however let's stop arguing over how much/what kind of damage these additives cause, but why they need to be in a vaccine in the first place. If the medical establishment wants cooperation with the vaccine program, it's simple; get mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde, etc out of it and make it safer. Re. dose dependency of mercury, ask how much tuna an infant with a newly developing neurological system ingests or how well an injected toxin is excreted to make that a relevant point.
sweetcara14 2 months ago
@sweetcara14
[get mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde, etc out of it and make it safer. ]
If you can maintain the integrity and effectiveness of the vaccine with those items removed then by all means, go for it.
However, the basic principle at work is "risk VS reward." The risk is nominal and the rewards are vast and numerous. If you can make a product with absolutely no risk in any context, I think you'd be the most accomplished man in history.
Dream0Asylum 2 months ago
@sweetcara14
That sounds like a very reasonable proposition, but do you understand why trace amount of formaldehyde (or any other substance) are present in vaccines? They're not added for giggles, they're part of processing proteins in a sterile manner. They keep the shots safe.
Everyone is in favor of safe vaccines. The scientific community (myself included) have children as well. We have "skin" in this game, just like you.
C0nc0rdance 2 months ago 10
@C0nc0rdance I do understand, and that would be an excellent place for a lot of our otherwise misappropriated tax dollars to go. We don't know the risks to be "nominal"; that's the grand experiment, isn't it? We are able to have long term studies after decades of exposure to millions of people. In the meantime, good nutrition and sanitation have proven to be the gifts that keeps on giving, at least until Monsanto takes over our food supply entirely. ( :
sweetcara14 2 months ago
You know, I hate to jump in here because honestly, I'm not the scienciest guy in science land but I think I can help with a little illustration for the kids at home.
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ = wavelength
. = photon
Dream0Asylum 2 months ago 5
@Dream0Asylum
LOL. ASCII science demonstrations. What else can we demonstrate with ASCII?
C0nc0rdance 2 months ago 4
@C0nc0rdance
Ted Haggard's sexual preference?
8====D
rkyeun 2 months ago
@C0nc0rdance
The perfect illustration would have been
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ = wavelength
o = virus
. = photon
But I'm glad you liked it, incomplete and all.
[What else can we demonstrate with ASCII?]
You know, that's a good question. I'd guess quite a bit. I'm going to assume that human sex acts and genitalia diagrams have already been covered, though.
Dream0Asylum 2 months ago
@C0nc0rdance
~|-|~ = ASCII representation of the Casimir effect.
DrShaym 1 week ago
The level of fuck headedness in this comment section is actually making my rectum bleed. Virus smaller than a photon?
ronocko 2 months ago 2
@ronocko you know you've done some serious facepalming when your rectum bleeds! I'm with ya. There are some rate morons commenting in here. tha's one big fucking photon.
uknowispeaksense 2 months ago
The thing with these anti-vaccine groups, related to autism, are mostly parents that need someone to blame, because they can't handle 2 things, 1, there's a genetic factor, their genes contributed to their child having autism (I said contributed, not caused) and, more importantly, SHIT HAPPENS.
I keep trying to explain my dad about the known and suspected causation factors of autism spectrum disorders, but he just can't understand either. He thinks I'm telling him its his fault or something.
enlightendbel 2 months ago 2
Read also antiantivax (dot) flurf (dot) net
Dracopol 2 months ago
setag54321 is one of those anti-science guys who agrees with anything science doesn't agree with. He's pro the use of MMS! Also he said "Cancer is actually a phlemorphic organism...a bacteria, fungus, and virus...that adapts to its environment to survive. This was proven in the 30's but for some reason Western Medicine will not acknowledge these findings. If you empower a cells natural defenses it can defeat basically anything"
explosivoification 2 months ago
@explosivoification Absolutely correct and I appreciate you informing the public of cancer really is. Here's a question...How can our scientists today battle a virus, any virus, when they can NOT even see a LIVING virus under a microscope...to determine how it lives and functions. The only virus our scientists look at today is a DEAD virus! That's right..DEAD..How do you know if you can kill it, if it's always dead? They look at cells, that's it. Research Dr Raymond RIFE
setag54321 2 months ago
@setag54321 I am uncertain as to how you arrive at the conclusion that viruses cannot be seen under a microscope--presumably you mean a convention microscope of relatively low resolution. Scanning electron microscopes have no trouble seeing viruses, even as small as HIV. Mind you, that technology has only existed since the 70's, so you are only 40 years out of date.
yootoobisrunbyidiots 2 months ago
You are correct regarding the fact that scientist can view a virus under a electron microscope. If you read my retort, it states scientists can NOT view a LIVING virus...this is due to the fact that electrons kill viruses therefore scientists today are NOT able to see a LIVING virus...but ONLY dead viruses. So, the common sense question one must ask is: how can one make the determination that they have killed the said virus when it is already dead? Read more............
setag54321 2 months ago
@setag54321 I have a feeling you are slightly(or completely) talking out of your ass.
First, a virus isn't regarded as "alive".
Second, if Electrons killed viruses so easily, then the treatment for it wouldn't be chemical no?
A virus often is better compared to a complex strand of molecules that interfaces with cell machinery, taking over the cell to make it create more copies of the virus.
It isn't alive, it has no metabolism.
enlightendbel 2 months ago
Continuation...Electron microscopes in the mid 30's had the magnification of 500,000X, so to correct you...scientists had the ability to look at viruses way back then. The reason standard light (today's scopes) microscopes (and this is pretty cool) can't view a virus is due to the fact that a virus is smaller than a photon of light and therfore can not be illuminated by light. Dr Rife bent light using a prism, which allowed the magnification and the frequency of the virus
setag54321 2 months ago
@setag54321
I didn't find much of interest in your ramble, but I feel like I should correct this particular bit of face-palmery:
"a virus is smaller than a photon of light"
Viruses are not smaller than photons, which are subatomic in size, but they can be smaller than visible light wavelengths. A typical virus is 20 -- 400 nm (visible light wavelengths are 300-700 nm), but some are as large as 2000 nm.
C0nc0rdance 2 months ago
Thank you for correcting me, so my point still stands..Scientists are NOT ABLE to view a LIVING virus. Science today has never seen a LIVING virus, therefore science/dogma does NOT truly know what a virus really is, how it lives, mutates, feeds, or even if the procedure harmed the targeted virus. IT'S all a GUESS... because the virus itself is invisible to modern day science. Electron microscopes however can view a virus after it's dead (radiation will do that! it's good for you)
setag54321 2 months ago
@setag54321 So you don't believe in viruses? Viruses aren't "alive" in the conventional sense anyway!
ptolomey12 1 month ago
@ptolomey12 Never said that...they do exist and they adapt to their environment to survive, ie pleomorphic. They are alive and operate at a particular frequency just as you and I. That is documented by the way,when our frequency drops to particular level a particular disease based on the frequency will have infected us. If you could find the frequency that the virus is operating at, you can actually implode the virus on itself, the folks at the Smithsonian will verify. Research Rife
setag54321 1 month ago
@setag54321 They are not alive. I researched rife, I challenge you to show me one reputable paper that this has an benefit in vivo. And a change in frequency makes us more susceptible to viral infection. Are you kidding? Are you actually for real? An in vitro study does not prove therapeutic benefit. You put bleach in a tube with cancer cells it kills them, doesn't mean it should be given IV to a patient
ptolomey12 1 month ago
@ptolomey12 Here's the link to the Smithsonian paper back in 1944 regarding the technology Dr Rife developed and what the folks at the Smithsonian observed. wwwdotrifedotde/files/smithsoniandotpdf Enjoy the read Rife was truly a brilliant man. His Universal Microscope consisted of 5K plus parts that he made, except for the prisms. Once this article was revealed and another from a major scientific journal the man was blackballed. Dr's that new him denied ever meeting him, real sad?
setag54321 1 month ago
@yootoobisrunbyidiots I miss understood your statement and you as well mine. I was referring to light amplification microscopes. Dr Rife had scopes that were in the range of 25000X to 60000X power scopes, which enabled him to look at living viruses. Again the folks at the Smithsonian witnessed this, by looking through his scopes at living viruses (Polio, Tuburculosis, etc). Again, this is somthing our LAWS say is impossible today, but still DOCUMENTED! Look up RIFE
setag54321 2 months ago
The reality IS....science is killing the CELLS in the body!..... Along with the virus that is hurting the CELL (that's causing or caused the mutation in the cell), THE VIRUS CAUSED THE MUTATION TO OCCURE IN THE CELL. The cell MUTATED due to a infection caused by a VIRUS. The CELL DID NOT just start abnormally mutating out of THIN AIR. If you kill the virus you CURE the CELL. Collateral damage does not fix the body (it's just a 5yr stay of execution) unfortunately.
setag54321 2 months ago
@setag54321 actually, if you kill a virus in the cell that has been fully mutated by the virus, the cell will more likely die too and get replaced, it won't be cured.
If all the crap you are spewing had any foundation in reality, treatment for virus infections would be to blast the body with electrons, killing the virus, and then suddenly the person would be feeling alright again.
That simply isn't how it works.
enlightendbel 2 months ago
@enlightendbel Actually the concept I was speaking of is similar to what you are proposing, BUT I wouldn't use electrons (radiation)...modern science already does that and the survival rate is in the low percentile, depending on how badly the persons immune system is. The concept I'm in favor of is determining the correct frequency that the virus emanates at, then blast it. Similar to shattering a glass. Research RIFE and the Smithsonian, it's been done before (suppressed)
setag54321 2 months ago
@enlightendbel Cells that have been infiltrated by the virus will die. Billiions of cells in the body by the way if not trillions....radiation will kill the body(electrons ie electron microscopes)..I'm speaking in regards to the proper frequency that would kill the virus....not electrons, Radiation is the modern medicine (this concept will put off the ends of the mean) Viruses will infect the body at a latter date due to a weakened immune system due to toxins/radaiation therapy.
setag54321 1 month ago
@setag54321
[....science is killing the CELLS in the body]
Science literally means knowledge, I think you're going to have to be more specific.
[....science is killing the CELLS in the body]
You know what the real kicker is? Cells are killing themselves in the body! I know, it's shocking, they had so much to live for.
[incoherent gibberish]
Incomprehensible mumbling
Dream0Asylum 2 months ago
@Dream0Asylum Collateral damage doesn't work....that concept doesn't even fair well militarily either. We've killed over a million Iraqis for what? If you destroy massive amounts of living cells with a virus...yeah the virus died, but the detriment to the immune system will allow another virus attack normally within 5 yrs. That attack more than likely will take the patient out. Trading one evil for another and dogma calls it a success, just like killing 100k's of innocent ppl??
setag54321 2 months ago
@setag54321
[living cells with a virus]
Living cells with a virus are dead already. Once the membrane is compromised, it's over. That cell stopped being biology and started being raw resources, toxins, and waste.
[another virus attack normally within 5 yrs ... take the patient out]
I'd love to see the study that says patients won't live longer than 5 years after getting a vaccination. Hell, I'd love to see the raw science that could constitute such a claim at all.
Dream0Asylum 2 months ago
@Dream0Asylum Wow, if what he said about dyinng 5 years later was true...humanity would be gone by now. I got vaccinations when I was under 10. I'm 17 1/2 as of 3 days from now.
Evnyofdeath 2 months ago
@Dream0Asylum Sorry I kind of diverged into cancer therapy, went off topic just a bit, but then again vaccines are fighting viruses..one in the same. I'll agree vaccines WON'T kill you in 5 years in average. BUT who knows the side effects that may occure from a bad vaccine. Remeber Baxter and the flu vaccines a couple years ago with H1n1...a mistake that would have killed millions folks in europe. Thank god they tested the 100k plus vaccines on ferrets first...........research
setag54321 1 month ago
The SMITHSONIAN folks agreed with RIFE, they saw what he saw with their own eyes and published it! Check your facts all of you....Before vaccines were introduced in the 50's the immune system was developing resistance to the Polio Virus. After vaccines were introduced a sharp INCREASE in outbreaks occured for the next 10 to 15 years. AND yes a virus is pleomorphic, it adapts to its environment, just like you. Western Med has its place & I thank them for that, but not ALL!
setag54321 2 months ago
I got a cut on my arm the last day so I used some rubbing alcohol to sterilize it. ALCOHOL IS TOXIC!!! NOW I'M DEAD!!!!!
explosivoification 2 months ago
So, if the Government's vaccinating our canned tuna, why we need go get jabbed in the arm (or bum)? Fortunately, I don't eat canned tuna, so them son of a bitches aren't going to blame me for some kid in America getting Down syndrome!
Rarae192 2 months ago
The next stupid propaganda "vaccines makes yout dick to become short"... Yup, I'm gona wait for some one to propagand that, and send that person in a brainwash place, to make it like a normal person.
Poodleinacan 2 months ago
Highlighting the relevant age ranges on the graph while discussing the timeline might have been helpful for the visual learners among us :)
TheNeverborn 2 months ago
I believe I'm going to rely on Wilson Wilson from Home Improvement here to summarise the whole conspiracy theology behind this. "Yes, education is a good thing. But, on the other hand, a little education and a vivid imagination can make a person cuckoo."
TheCeejReturns 2 months ago
My mother is an anti-vaccer and she refuses to let my sister get the HPV vaccine... I used to have a really good relationship with my mum, but I feel like her convictions that the whole world is against her has really torn our relationship apart. She's also a 911 conspiracist, chemtrailer, and has introduced me to "Jesus". You can actually find her Jesus on youtube. His name is Brian Golightly Leonard Marshall iirc... he's also a doomsdayer.. f the people in my life...
octorupees 2 months ago 2
I have Aspergers syndrome, add me and watch my video.. Would like to know other autistic friends out there
Kurdt1990 2 months ago
It was baffling to find out many of these ppl who are anti-vaccine and 9-11 truthers call themselves atheist. My theory is they still have a lot of indoctrination baggage left over. Therefore 'god' has been replaced w/David Icke & conspiracy theories. Still believing in BS that has no scientific substance whatsoever
Good luck trying to get thru to 'em using hard evidence. The more you do that, the more some of 'em sound like a crazy homeless person screaming bout how the world will end in 2012
firewall5OOO 2 months ago
From my experience a lot of these anti-vaccine folks also adhere themselves to other conspiracy theories such as 9-11 " truth", chemtrails, etc etc.
firewall5OOO 2 months ago
Let me make sure I have this straight - If thimerosal did cause autism, the peak in autism for 2-4 year-olds should have been in 1996 at the very latest (and perhaps sooner depending on the average age such shots are administered), right? Likewise, it should have been 1998 at the very latest for the 5-6 year-olds?
TheMidwestAtheist 2 months ago
It's hard for me to keep straight, too. The year of diagnosis is about 2 for most autism, and the vaccine exposure is about 18 months... that would have led me to suspect that if vaccines cause autism, the trend should have started downward at or about 1992. I THINK that the authors are saying that even children BORN after the removal still had an increase in autism diagnosis, so there's no way that even post-partum vaccines could have caused trending down.
Feel free to clarify.
C0nc0rdance 2 months ago
@C0nc0rdance a more believable, and consistent theory, is the amount of vaccines that toddlers get, it's a lot, more than there were. so, some have suggested it's a genetic predisposition, it should be testable -before- vaccines are given, then there would be a method to study this properly. there's been others pointing at combined vaccines too MMR. a childs immune system doesn't completely develop till it's a few years old, overloading it with vaccines may be the problem.
felderup 2 months ago
Mercury is good for you...just ask the ADA or a nerve cell? Nevermind it's one of the MOST toxic substances on the periodic table...but that's really irreleavent, isn't it? I'd say the best analogy regarding autism, is the concept of the Joker in Batman. You see the Joker used numerous products to accomplish his goal of a perfect smile:) This concealed the cause and effect of the :). Young developing immune systems do not need toxins! Your not ALLOWED to sue big pharma???
setag54321 2 months ago
@setag54321
There's a fundamental concept in toxicology: "The dose makes the poison". It's not the chemical structure alone that makes something a toxin, it's the dose or exposure. There is mercury in food, drinking water, the air, and all through your body. It's not the presence or absence, but the dose.
Multi-inject vaccines had 0.000025 grams of mercury/dose. There are 0.000050 grams of mercury in a can of tuna, twice as much as the vaccine.
C0nc0rdance 2 months ago 26
Interesting, so mercury is some what good for you in the lowest dose as your saying, or atleast acceptable by the FDA/pharmacology (one and the same/revolving doors). I'd prefer not to eat it at all if possible, let alone put into a young child that has a evolving immune system. Would you inject toxic chemicals NO MATTER what percentage into your child? JUST BECAUSE THE FDA SAID IT WAS OKAY. I feel sorry for your children.I know the answer...good luck. Noah story dates to 10K BC (bible old news)
setag54321 2 months ago
@setag54321 concordance didnt actually say its good for you,
theres a big difference between being not BAD for you, and being 'good for you'
another thing.. pharmacology isnt the FDA the FDA is the american agency for food and drugs pharmacology is an entire scientific discipline. not the same thing
hes arguing its not likely to do any harm, there is a point at which it can actually have an effect
known as lowest observed effect concentration.
and how does noah fit into vaccines?
elgostine 2 months ago
@setag54321 "Would you inject toxic chemicals NO MATTER what percentage into your child?"
I know it's sick, it's like parents who let their kids eat salt. My parents let me put salt on my food as a kid, when i found out how shitloads of salt taken all at once could kill you i never forgave them.
10K BC? That doesn't seem relevant but if it's true at least it's one more thing that disproves the young earth creationists.
explosivoification 2 months ago
@C0nc0rdance so it's safe to feed under 2 year-olds as much canned tuna as they like in comparison to a fully developed adult (with a fully developed brain)??
marmerling 2 months ago
@C0nc0rdance COncOrdance, you never cease to amaze me. Your attention to detail and genuine concern when it comes to bullshit like this is what makes me come back to your videos time and time again. Cheers, good sir! I admire you.
CarlSagan6 2 months ago
@setag54321 Toxicity and the periodic table do not correlate with one another. EVERY single element on the periodic table is lethal. The fact is, singular elements are relatively rare, and molecules are what are toxic, but everything is safe at an appreciable level. For example, you have plutonium, radium, uranium, mercury in your body right now, but at such low levels they don't do any harm. Compounds naturally produced can be more toxic. For example, poison dart frogs poison.
braedencowbrough 2 months ago
Have you not seen a nerve cell exposed to thimerosal under a microscope? Just a ?
setag54321 2 months ago
@setag54321
what happens? i assume its negative otherwise you wouldnt have mentioned it
theres also one other thing,
even if it might increase the incidence of a side effect, depending on the vaccine one can strongly argue this is offset by the number of diseased that it would prevent
elgostine 2 months ago
@setag54321 Do people inject thimerosal in our brains?
HybridD91 2 months ago
@setag54321
You can read Toxicol Sci. 2005 Jul;86(1):132-40. Effects of thimerosal on NGF signal transduction and cell death in neuroblastoma cells.
"EC50 for cell death in the presence or absence of NGF was 596 nM and 38.7 nM"
The effective dose was about 600 nM in a cell culture model. ~5 liters of blood in the human body. 404 g/mol. You'd need about 1.2 mg of thimerosal to hit that level. Each flu vaccine has 0.025 ug, so you'd need 48 flu shots in a 24 hr period.
C0nc0rdance 2 months ago
Really 48 flu shots to cause damage,hmm...tell that to someone that had one flu shot and had an adverse reaction. It's not one size fits all, to start off with. Western medicine does not understand genetics enough to allow the considerable risk and potential side effects that could occure to a individual that may be more predisposed to a nasty side effect. That said, the pompous attitude of no harm can come to one, is insane. Try suing the manufacture, no responsibilty?
setag54321 2 months ago
@setag54321 ZOMG ONE KID OUT OF MILLIONS WAS UNLUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE AN ADVERSE REACTION DUE TO CIRCUMSTANCES OUTSIDE OF THE CONTROL OF THE DOCTORS. BECAUSE HIS GENETICS WERE JUST RIGHT THAT THE VACCINE DIDN'T COOPERATE CORRECTLY, WE MUST PREVENT EVERYONE FROM GETTING A VACCINE EVER.
Read: The exception that proves the rule.
Evnyofdeath 2 months ago
@Evnyofdeath Why would you put a toxin into the body? So, the correlation regarding the increase in autism rates and the increase in the number of vaccines our children are now required to take by age 3 don't concern you. We'll just hock it up to genetics completely and not look at the pink elephant in the room. One out of a million? What pharmabio chem paid for that study? You do know THEY run the FDA, they all are paid shills with severe conflicts of interest..research Aspartame
setag54321 2 months ago
@setag54321 "Why ... put a toxin into the body?" As said, MANY times by C0nc0rdance "The Dose makes the Posion". And as pointed out several times, a can of tuna has more mercury in it than a vaccine, and there are mercury free vaccines. Also, if you're that hung up over it, stop using toothpaste, because it has floride in it, which in high enough doses is a neurotoxin.
Evnyofdeath 2 months ago
@Evnyofdeath Please keep injecting your offspring with toxic poisons...it will help the developing immune sytem...TRUST ME!!! I wear a shinny white lab coat and paid millions in clynical studies SO THAT THE CONCEPT IS SOUND! mother nature was all wrong and the human body will NOT develop nature antibodies to combat a virus, just like chicken-pox.? Flouride MAY? be good for the teeth but not for your ORGANS(injestion), think, WOW! Hitler thought the same way you do, REALLY, think!
setag54321 1 month ago
@setag54321 Godwin's law. You lost the debate.
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@IKillBabyKittensLOL Just learned about Godwins Law (had to look it up). Yeah it was a low blow, BUT I didn't bring up fluoride. Makes me sick that some companies even bottle fluoridated water and market it to the American public as a preventative tooth decay product (for newborns no less). Please research fluorosis and the detrimental effects of the leaching of calcium from bones and the harm posed to organs. Yes hitler was a fan water fluoridation at the camps. sorry
setag54321 1 month ago
@setag54321 No we don't trust people because they where a shiny lab coat we do it because it is irrefutable science that it works. No smallpox, no polio in the UK, small rates of mumps measles and rubella. Show me good evidence that vibrational therapy is of any benefit at all. Plus you obviously have little understanding of what a virus actually is. You live in a FANTASY
ptolomey12 1 month ago
@setag54321 Cept thats not the way I think at all mr strawman
Evnyofdeath 1 month ago
@setag54321 Once again as you apparently have not yet understood: Ethyl mercurate[Thimerosal] is C9H9HgNaO2S. METHYL mercury, which causes minimata disease, is CH3Hg+, a positive ion and much smaller molecule. The half-life of ethyl mercurate is 18 days; it does not build up in the body. METHYL mercury has a much longer half-life of 60 days, and deposits in the brain and spinal chord. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME. Furthermore Thimerosal is 49% Hg by weight, meaning that an MMR shot has ...
pontecanis 2 months ago
It should be noted that Thimerosal concentration in MMR vaccine is 25ug, or 0.000025grams. But only 0.0000125gr. is Hg. A 25 lb child has approx 20dl of blood, giving a real Thimerosal Hg blood concentration of 0.000625ug/dl. Not only is this substantially below the danger threshold for methyl mercury (10 ug/dl), it is below detectable levels.The concentration has to be calculated, not measured, as it is too small. It is called science...try it sometime.
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setag54321 2 months ago
@setag54321 Note, I am not a member of "Big Pharma" nor a scientist, take what I say as you will. From what I understand, the immune systems NEEDS stimulus in the developmental years to form proper defenses and without them it forms somewhat weak (which is why certain allergies and asthma are so common in the civilized world). A kid who plays around in dirt and mud will have a stronger Immune System than a kid who sits in a clean living room. So yes, immune systems needs shocks.
Evnyofdeath 2 months ago
God/Nature had it all wrong? Toxins weaken the immune system, period. We all caught the chickenpox, but never again? No vacine required. The vacine is only effective if it's the EXACT virus contracted (100's and 1000's of strains outthere(fda physicics) and what's the side effect to get that exact virus in us(pros & cons). A strong immune system can handle anything in nature except for maybe manmade biological viruses. Good analogy with the dirt, but that's not manmade is it.
setag54321 2 months ago
@Evnyofdeath Allergies and Asthma are more than likely due to the MEDIUM that is used to create the vaccines. Examples are monkey livers, pigs organs and aborted fetuses, etc. It's sick, we are putting dead children in a living child. This is fact. The reality is this DNA morphs with the DNA of a human being and replicates, and replicates and replicates. Do people realize this. You have a peanut allergy, then you probably have some monkey DNA in yah. This is correct research it.
setag54321 2 months ago
@setag54321 First off, allergies and asthma are not connected to vaccines at all, I said they are caused by living in a too clean enviroment, we need some dirt to develope a proper immune system. Secondly, a fetus has stem cells, which no, are not a person, however they can turn into any cell from the human body. That is a medical miracle if there ever will be one.
Oh, and the reason we don't get the Chicken Pox ever again? The virus remains dormant in your system, you still have it.
Evnyofdeath 2 months ago
@Evnyofdeath Really, a persons allergies can't be tied to roaming foreign DNA that is continually replicating itself inside ones body? Even if it were a pigs spleen, monkey kidney, etc..that the vaccine was cultured on and then injected into you, hmm? How about aborted fetuses cultured the vaccine is now injected into a living child (dead baby into living baby sick)? Yes stem cells are nature not man and awesome. A strong immune system controls the pox virus, no vaccine required.
setag54321 1 month ago
@setag54321 Normally the usual pharma shills run around and attack anything unconventional.Everytime they are exposed as the frauds they really are,they get on the defensive.Its bogus and its getting old.Over 65000 lawsuits against drug companies within 6 years for the drugs that have caused millions to die or seriously injured from side effects.Dr.Barbara Starfield reported that over 106000 deaths per year from properly prescribed drugs.Shills here get biased information.
TheFriendlyEngineer 1 month ago
@setag54321 The drug doctors/allopaths hide behind the word science when infact the word is marketing.Suppression of symptoms until the patient/victim dies.It's about money schemes.I am happy the lawyers continue to expose the allopathic quacks.They usually mislead and attack people.Spreading lies and rumors from the nonsensical quackwatch and wikipedia websites which were written by Stephen Barrett who lost over 43 lawsuits and sued for defamation of character.A pseudoskeptic.
TheFriendlyEngineer 1 month ago
@setag54321 That's a fallacious claim. They don't use aborted fetuses for vaccines. The truth behind that claim is that the viral stocks used in some vaccines are grown in human cells; these cells were derived from aborted fetuses back in the 1960s and 1970s and have been propagated in cell culture continuously ever since. The claim that these cells's presence in vaccines could be the cause of anything is complete rubbish. tinyurlDOTcom/yku3uf5
ArcanaKnight 1 month ago
@ArcanaKnight So you admit that it's a fact or was a fact at some point in time....appreciate your honesty. To the fact that vacines are cultured with various organs from varing tpes of animals in the the animal kingdom...to where as you say there is no potential damage or side effect to humans from the DNA replicication that takes place between the animals DNA and humans (allergies). Really? Oh, I forgot... it's good for or DNA to be mutated from its natural preconditioned code.
setag54321 1 month ago
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@setag54321 "you admit that it's a fact or was a fact at some point in time" No, I didn't. Vaccines don't contain fetal tissue, and cultured cells used to grow the diseases aren't "dead babies". You clearly didn't even glance at the article I linked to.
"it's good for or DNA to be mutated from its natural preconditioned code" What are you even talking about?
ArcanaKnight 1 month ago
@ArcanaKnight wwwdotyoutubedotcom/watch?v=g4XWkGcMr2M&feature=related This might interest you
setag54321 1 month ago
@setag54321 That video was nothing but people relaying anecdotes and parroting fallacious anti-vax talking points.
ArcanaKnight 1 month ago
@ArcanaKnight I new you'd like that video..good luck in life..sure the dogmas are correct, heck even the 1000's of religions that've been repeating Sumarian mythologys all these 1k's of years (just with different names, but same plots). There's no conflict of interest with the FDA and big pharma... there is fiscal responsibility to the vaccine manufacture when one is injured. I've got some great swamp land I'd like to sell you. Keep shootin-up..Sit BOO BOO sit.... Cheers!
setag54321 1 month ago
@setag54321 Conspiracy mongering nonsense.
ArcanaKnight 1 month ago
@setag54321 "Mercury is good for you...just ask the ADA or a nerve cell? Nevermind it's one of the MOST toxic substances on the periodic table...but that's really irreleavent, isn't it?"
Yes, it is irrelevant when considering doses so minute they are dwarfed by our environmental exposure. Why do you seem to think just because something is toxic in large doses and direct exposure that it means you can accuse caregivers and licensed medical doctors of this? Check your argument
QuantumChance 2 months ago
Eating something and injecting something into the blood stream, may be a bit different. I for sure don't want to eat anything that contains a toxic agent in, no matter how minute. So that said, because someone tells me a acceptable level of toxins injected into the blood stream is okay, I'll pass and step OUTSIDE of the coral. Do you think all medical doctors vaccinate themselves and their family? You'd be surprised at the percentage that do NOT due to the inherent risk.
setag54321 2 months ago
@setag54321 Little HealthFood is a fraud too, it just nickles and dimes for $5 and $10 so no one pays much attention to their totally ineffective remedies. It was the HealthFood stores which pushed mercury -- without meaning to -- during the Dolomite scandal of the 70's. They wanted to push "naturally sourced calcium" onto people, but what they were doing was taking calcium straight out of mined rocks, with mercury and arsenic impurities in it!
Dracopol 2 months ago
Folks should simply look at what thimerosal does to nerve endings undering a microscope and examine the reaction taking place when exposed to this substance. This in itself, should be enough to determine whether or not it should be injected into the human body..period! Let's not mention as well, the medium that is used to manufacture vaccines (fetuses, etc) .. We'll keep the dialog PG for the youth. We'll also not mention the replication of the degenerative DNA due to these toxic impacts.
setag54321 2 months ago
I take your point about the this individual paper, but still there seems to be a couple of glairing questions. Firstly what did cause theses extraordinary autism figures, and secondly, do you think injecting mercury into infants is a good thing?
gamesbok 2 months ago
@gamesbok
That'll have to wait for a later video.
Is injecting mercury a good thing? Yes, absolutely, if that mercury is preventing bacterial growth that would result in sepsis and death in said infant. Why, do you think injecting live bacteria into the bloodstream of an infant is a good thing?
Now that we've traded barbs, perhaps we can wait until I can discuss autism causation in a separate video.
C0nc0rdance 2 months ago 3
@C0nc0rdance False dichotomy, but never mind. I would be interested in your autism video.
gamesbok 2 months ago
@C0nc0rdance Autism and Vaccines Researcher for Center for Disease Control and Prevention,Poul Thorsen,Indicted for Fraud and Money-Laundering Thursday, 14 Apr 2011 ATLANTA,Data manipulation and conflicts of interest in the Danish trials of the vaccine's,Poul Thorsen, the principal coordinator (THE BOSS)of multiple studies funded by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) THORSEN used to deny vaccine/autism link,was indicted on 13 counts of fraud and 9 counts of money-laundering.
1952YOU1320TUBE1952 2 months ago
@1952YOU1320TUBE1952
Yeah, the guy turned out to be a crook... he padded his grant account to buy himself a motorcycle among other things, I think. He was the study records administrator, according to the grant, which means he was the scientific accountant in the group, not the boss. He's 4th of 7 authors, which means his role in the paper was pretty minor.
The source data (Bureau of Statistics, Denmark) is available for download if you want to look for data fudging. There is none.
C0nc0rdance 2 months ago 4
@C0nc0rdance
bent reseach is bent reseach,and why call him the principal coordinator plus he needed someone in CDC to sign is money out so how many are on the take .your answer's are to pat my pharma srhill
1952YOU1320TUBE1952 2 months ago
@C0nc0rdance
The charges relate to funding for work he conducted for the CDC, which claimed to disprove associations between the mercury-based vaccine preservative, thimerosal, and increased rates of autism.
"Many biological studies support a link between mercury and autism, but these Danish studies have been used to suppress further research into thimerosal.
1952YOU1320TUBE1952 2 months ago
You idiots have been vaccinated, now your too stupid to know that the Vaccine actually caused your brain damage. When I grew up there was 6 vaccines by first grade, now they give you 20 or more and between 1992 and 2002, there was a 800% increase in autism.. Methyl Mercury in Tuna is different from direct injection of Ethyl Mercury in vaccines.
Mi37591 2 months ago
@Mi37591 "your too stupid" ? lmao
ShroomFuu86 2 months ago
@Mi37591 Something I always wondered if the autism spectrum is a "brain damage", that you and those like you claim, how is it that autistic children on average have larger brains than non-autistic children? Spontaneously, I think it sounds strange that a brain injury makes the brain bigger.
Ekergaard 2 months ago
@Ekergaard Bigger organs don't necessarily function better. Too big or too small are often signs that something is very wrong. A swollen brain can kill you. I don't know why the brain is bigger in cases of autism, but if the same number of neurons are present, it could mean they're being stretched and therefore have a more difficult time communicating properly?
cremice78 2 months ago
The only way to fight this evil ignorance-in-action is to manufacture scandals on our own against them. It doesn't even matter that I am "giving away the political game plan" here. The opposing side the anti-science AGW-denying anti-vax crowds openly reveals THEIR game plan in plain sight! And, it hasn't hurt THEM.
I tried to start manufacturing scandals against AGW-deniers on Potholer54's site, but he is too stupid to allow my comments.
mphello 2 months ago
@mphello The answer to lies and ignorance is not more lies and ignorance.
Maxdwolf 2 months ago
I wonder if these people are genetically inclined to be gullible and stupid. If so then perhaps this is a prime example of natural selection as these bad genes work themselves out of the gene pool by making their hosts less likely to listen to the good advice of doctors.
PowerOfTheMirror 2 months ago
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TheLordOfTheSporks 2 months ago
Ugh. My mom is one of those believers that vaccines cause autism.
Maserati7200 2 months ago
@Maserati7200 My sister has a mildly autistic child, and I remember her mentioning this crap when she first started finding out about autism. I told her that it was bullshit, and she should look into the criticism of the whole thing, and I haven't heard anything about it since. She is intelligent, so, I like to think that she came to the correct conclusions.
puellanivis 2 months ago
It's good to know what's probably not causing the autism, but far far better to know what is causing it. Would love to see a video reviewing cutting-edge research on possible culprits, and you're the pro!
The autism increase is alarming and surely caused by some environmental factor. Genetic explanations don't seem plausible minus an environmental variable. Or can purely genetic defects produce epidemic-like surges? I'd presume a priori that genetic-defect rates would remain relatively stable.
iamgoddard 2 months ago
@iamgoddard More likely, from what I know, it's diagnostic substitution and increased awareness. Autism has probably been around as long as humans have been, but it's only recently that we've been refining terms for it and other psychological quirks. I'd have to look back (it's probably an old Respectful Insolence article where I saw it), but I remember a graph showing autism rising and mental retardation plummeting. The lines were nearly mirror images.
TheBronzeDog 2 months ago
@TheBronzeDog, interesting! Thanks for mentioning that.
iamgoddard 2 months ago
@TheBronzeDog, I found an example of the mirrored curves you mention. [*] Though I'd prefer to see it in a peer-reviewed journal, and maybe it is or will be, this seems a fascinating theory at least. Wow, suppose it's really a pseudo-epidemic, that would be a relief!
[*] Google: Autism and Mental Retardation as a percentage of All Disabilities
iamgoddard 2 months ago
@iamgoddard
Here's the historical discussion in the literature:
Int J Epidemiol. 2009 Oct;38(5):1224-34.
Dev Med Child Neurol. 2008 May;50(5):341-5.
J Autism Dev Disord. 2008 Jul;38(6):1036-46.
Pediatrics. 2006 Apr;117(4):1028-37.
In general, it's agreed that 25 -- 40% of the increase is directly explained by diagnostic substitution of one category for another.... the other 60--75% is still not easily accounted for. Science is all about mysteries... this one has been tough.
C0nc0rdance 2 months ago
@C0nc0rdance, thanks! Not surprisingly, you're on top of research.
iamgoddard 2 months ago
@iamgoddard Not necessarily. Improved identification can play a large role, as can the survival of those with damaging conditions. Case in point, cancer. Many cancers only become prevalent with advanced age and others exhibit symptoms that can be mistakenly classified as some other disease or parasitic infection. If you can expect to die by 30 from plague, getting a lethal cancer at 65 isn't a problem you expect to face.
Muljinn 2 months ago
Excellent work.
thefusilier1000 2 months ago
I like people who actually read all the lines and between them. Good stuff, good channel. Subbed!
Ligermorph 2 months ago
Having spent an entire year at university examining the correlation between autism and an inability to excrete heavy metals (most likely a genetic quirk in some individuals unlucky enough to have a missing pathway), while I'm in no way convinced of a vaccine link, I do believe that the heavy metal poisoning hypothesis has credit, and we should be examining all environmental sources that could account for the 30% or soNOT explained by expanded diagnostic criteria for Autism since the early 1990s.
sunyavadin 2 months ago
The anti-vaccine club is just a shared paranoid delusion - they can't even *why* vaccines are bad.
One day it's the mercury causing heavy metal toxicity, next it's squalene causing autoimmunity, then it's an overload of the immune system because of too much vaccines given too fast...
Even if mercury and squalene were removed and the vaccines spaced out over a longer time, I bet they'd still find something to bitch about.
Oh well, take care.
akylae101 2 months ago 3
Well, I'm proud of being a Dane :)
melis256 2 months ago
your all substance and no spin.
chavling 2 months ago
Thanks, we danes try ;-). Oh and our healthcare system isn't even private - still decent filing systems are sustainable.
Kframke 2 months ago
i argued with and anti vac guy on a board a while back. never again, it's like arguing with Young Earth Creationists. i showed him the Lancet statement saying it stood by its ruling/decision about Wakefields paper. An anti vac website took ONE SENTENCE from that statement and tried to make it seem like they were admitting Wakefield was right the whole time. it was so transparently bullshit that i was in a state of shock when the guy continued to defend it. they don't care about the truth.
BillKiernan 2 months ago 28
@BillKiernan
I've noticed the similarities between a lot of denialist movements as well: anti-vacc, anti-evolution, anti-AGW. I have a critic who says that I'm just using the term "denialist" to tar people who disagree with me, but there are certain, very specific tactics that are employed by these unrelated movements. You identify a really important one: selective reading of the literature.
C0nc0rdance 2 months ago 27
@C0nc0rdance
There was actually a newscientist article a while back that discussed denialism and conspiracy theory mentality. If I remember correctly they all share a very similar set of basic trends. I might go ahead and dig the article up.
FSEffect 2 months ago
@FSEffect That's just what the government wants you to do.
anythreeletters 2 months ago
@C0nc0rdance The frustrating thing was trying to figure out, is this person genuinely stupid and unable to comprehend what he reads, or is he knowingly lying because he thinks that his cause is correct in general, and it's ok to fudge some facts and lie about certain things, because it's for a good cause. i guess the other option was the confirmation bias, believing everything in Natural News is true, b/c they're the good guys. so if Natural News says it, it MUST be true.
BillKiernan 2 months ago
@C0nc0rdance It's very interesting how YECs, 9/11 truthers, and the anit-vac crowd are so astonishingly similar.
fkerpants 2 months ago
@fkerpants Yeah, really makes me question if believing the stuff about 9/11 and FEMA camps is right or wrong. I already rejected God, I should be able to come to the actual truth myself...
CheffBryan 2 months ago
@BillKiernan "they don't care about the truth." Ding ding ding. In fact, it sometimes feels like they are allergic to the truth- the more scientifically, objective, empirically founded, well gathered the evidence, the more they reject it fight against it. It often feels like an exercise in sheer madness to engage in any sort of reality-based discussion with ant-vac'ers....
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BillKiernan 2 months ago
@dog1dog2 most of them, aside from concerned mothers who are uneducated in science and susceptible to propaganda about the "dangers" of vaccines are conspiracy buffs vaccines are part of the NWO's plan to kill us all off/sterilize us/brainwash us etc. So, like any conspiracy theorist when data contradicts them, well that data is part of the conspiracy, they just poison the well and keep moving. the amusing thing is, when the data (seems) to support their position, suddenly the methods are valid
BillKiernan 2 months ago 3
@BillKiernan Yep....and sadly, I deal directly with a lot of those "concerned, uneducated mothers," and they are often nearly as maddeningly unreachable as the seasoned conspiracy buffs....given my line of work, I have often wished I could just hit the delete button on the existence of Jenny McCarthy and "Dr." Joseph Mercola....
dog1dog2 2 months ago 5
@dog1dog2 once it gets into their head it's almost impossible to get it out. and the rampant anti intellectualism in the U.S is another nail in the coffin. "you can prattle on with your fancy studies and graphs, my friend's kid got autism a week after she got the flu shot"
BillKiernan 2 months ago 22
@BillKiernan .....argh!.....yep...I've heard remarkably similar blather often enough to want to self-lobotomize myself with a screwdriver.....to so, so many, there is nothing more compelling and generalizable than hearsay anecdotal testimony....
dog1dog2 2 months ago 2
@BillKiernan Yep like the demonstration of ratio of car accidents in California was proportional to the import of Mexican lemons... So THEY HAVE TO BE RELATED! lol. You know what they say: the truth goes for a walk, the lie spam emails...
bigsbyfreak 2 months ago
@bigsbyfreak the correlation/causation fallacy is pretty much the bedrock that they base their ideas upon.
BillKiernan 2 months ago
Eh... close enough on the name pronunciation. "pweh-llah", not "pwey-llah". Thanks for the mention. :)
puellanivis 2 months ago 9
@puellanivis
At least I tried!
C0nc0rdance 2 months ago 7
@C0nc0rdance Oh captain, my captain
MelleB90 2 months ago
@C0nc0rdance Yes, you did a very good try. I've had some other people totally destroy the pseudonym. :)
puellanivis 2 months ago
Great stuff, thanks for spending the time!!
Wordavee1 2 months ago
Hmm, I'm wondering. If a vaccine is developed to prevent autism ,would anti-vaxers take it?
isamu135 2 months ago 2
Wow! I watched this video right after Potholer's video about deception in the anti-global-warming movement. What a great pair of eye-opening videos!
Astrobrant2 2 months ago
There will always be crazies. Natural selection used to eliminate them but now many survive thanks to the advantages of modern society.
Miranox2 2 months ago
I just can't see the point in this conspiracy theory. The article suggesting the link between thiomersal and autism was a case of scientific fraud cooked up to support some sort of legal action against vaccine manufacturers--but it was retracted years ago, and is now known so widely as a fraud that it could hardly be used for that purpose any more. So why do these people bother? Wouldn't it be easier to invent a new conspiracy theory rather than push on with something no-one believes anyway?
stcmsw102 2 months ago
@stcmsw102 "So why do these people bother? Wouldn't it be easier to invent a new conspiracy theory rather than push on with something no-one believes anyway?" their goal is to preach to the choir and keep them in the choir. and catch ignorant parents who see anything sciencey looking that says vaccines are dangerous and automatically believe it.
BillKiernan 2 months ago
*takes notes*
Dear Dairy: C0nc0rdance says study is, 'all substance, no spin.'
integralmath 2 months ago 3
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PompousPreacher 2 months ago
It's unfortunate that so many people are scientifically illiterate. It's even worse that they think they are not.
jessemaurais 2 months ago 3
@jessemaurais
Yeah. Makes me want to enroll in a teacher's degree, to earn 1/5 of what I earn right now as an IT specialist.
d3st88 2 months ago
I took a visit to the natural new site. The worst garbage i've ever seen ever. So pseudoscientific. It makes me feel sick on how bad it is.
TheCIScommander 2 months ago
Nice video, keep up the good work.
GreatgoatonFire 2 months ago 2
Sometimes we get sick, and there is no one we can blame. :( Such is life
Sunhawk7ajj 2 months ago
Parents just don't want to take responsibility for their defective genes.
MalchikBlue 2 months ago
One day vaccines will be recgnized as one of our species greatest achievements along with the wheel, fire, sanitation, germ theory, and electricity.
Given that there are STILL people who think that desease is caused by "toxins" and "negitive energy" we should not be too bent out of shape when we find people still oppose vaccination.
RationalismDefined 2 months ago
How about we invite all anti-vaccine proponants to live on a vaccine free island for a few decades? Let's just how well they do.
9thgate 2 months ago
Vaccinations are a huge accomplishment of mankind; To manufacture false conspiracy around them is a near-criminal act in my mind.
liquidthex 2 months ago
Vaccines are awesome. I have had the measles and the mumps and they cleared up faster and were less severe than if I hadn't been vaccinated. Thanks to the free flu vaccine I get because of my asthma, when I did get the flu, it didn't get as bad as it normally would and only lasted a few days, conveniently fitting in with work. I don't get why people are so against them.
tammyscotland 2 months ago 2