DEAR MUSLIM TO BE..WELCOME TO ISLAM..YOU HAVE MADE A RIGHT DECISION AND YOU ARE NOT ALONE..A STUDY IN US REVEALS MORE THAN 99% OF ALL AMERICANS BETWEEN THE AGE OF 18-23 REJECT THE BIBLICAL WORLDVIEW.THEY DONT BELIEVE AMONG OTHERS 1.BIBLE IS COMPLETELY ACCURATE IN ALL OF THE PRINCIPALS IT TEACHES. 2.JESUS CHRIST LIVED A SINLESS LIFE ON EARTH.THE 99% YOUNG PEOPLE,THE CITIZENS OF TOMORROW CLEARLY REJECTING THE TRADITIONAL CHRISTIAN TEACHING.SEARCH FOR "THE DECLINE OF CHRISTIANITY IN AMERICA".
DEAR MUSLIM TO BE..WELCOME TO ISLAM..YOU HAVE MADE A RIGHT DECISION AND YOU ARE NOT ALONE..MILLIONS OF PEOPLE IN EUROPE AND NORTH AMERICA ARE LEAVING CHRISTIANITY AND SINCE ISLAM IS THE FINAL REVELATION OF ABRAHAM, MOSES AND JESE'S GOD,MOST OF THEM TURN TO ISLAM.IN US ALONE 2.7 MILLION PEOPLE LEAVE CHURCH EVERY YEAR AND 4000 CHURCHES CLOSED YEARLY.SEARCH FOR "STATISTIC AND REASONS FOR CHURCH DECLINE-INTO THY WORD MINISTRIES". ALSO "CNN NEWS:1.5 MILLION AMERICANS CONVERT TO ISLAM".
@TheAbahaziz ISLAM IS NOT FROM GOD AND HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ABRAHAM ,ABRAHAM NEVER WAS MUSLIM NEVER ! ALSO YOU ARE A LIAR THOSE NUMBER THAT YOU ARE GIVING ARE FALSE , ALSO MILLIONS OF MUSLIM ARE LEAVING ISLAM EVERYDAY ,DONT FORGET TO REST THOSE TO YOUR SO CALL MILLIONS , COME TO JESUS OR BURN IN HELL ,
@DANIELandNADIA050 Dear brother, its true that Abraham was not a Muslim, neither could he be a Christian, Islam came only with the advent of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) like how Christianity came with the advent Isa (pbuh) [ Christ in your words]. I request you to read the Qur'an, and I'll pray that you get guided.
@findingzaina OH!! I AGREE that abraham wasn't cristian neither , christianity start 2000 years ago after jesus resurection , also i agree that islam start after mohamed ,AT LAST AN HONEST MUSLIM WHO SAID THE TRUTH AS IS IT !!! i also recomend to you to read the Bible and may God open your eyes and save you and bless you !!
@DANIELandNADIA050 WHAT EVER NAME YOU CALL IT ..ISLAM IS ALREADY THERE SINCE ADAM.... I AM NOT LYING..SEARCH FOR "STATISTIC AND REASONS FOR CHURCH DECLINE-INTO THY WORD MINISTRIES". INTO THY WORD MINISTRIES IS A CHRISTIAN BODY.
@TheAbahaziz IF ISLAM IS SUMISION TO GOD I AGREE THAT ISLAM WAS HERE FROM THE BEGGING NOT OF MAN KIND FROM THE BIGGING OF HEAVEN IT SELF BECAUSE THE ANGELS ARE IN SUMISION TO GOD , BUT IF ISLAM IS WHAT CAME THROUGH MOHAMED SO ISLAM IS HERE FOR THE LAST 1400 YEAR NOT BEFORE,and those stadistis DONT INCLUDE THE HUGE NUMBER OS MUSLIM THAT ARE LEAVING ISLAM EVERY DAY ,or are you gonna said that nobody ever leave islam ???
@DANIELandNADIA050 WHY ARE YOU MUMBLING LIKE AN OLD LADY...THE READERS AND ME ARE NOT STUPID TO SWALLOW EVERY THING YOU POSTED... PLEASE BACK YOUR ALLEGATION WITH SOME KIND OF PROOF OR LINK TO THE SOURCE.... IN INTERNET ANY BLANK STATEMENT IS AS GOOD AS RUBBISH.....
@TheAbahaziz YOU dont need to believe if you dont want is your problem not mine ,BUT THERE IS NOT NEED TO PROVE SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY KNEW THAT THERE MILLIONS LEAVING ISLAM ,IN FACT THE NUMBER IS NOT BIGGER JUST BECAUSE THEY RISK THEIR LIVE WHEN THEY LEAVE ISLAM , THE god OF MOHAMED WAS SATAN ,NOT GOD , satan knows the importance of the sacrifice of jesus and thats why he created the coran JUST TO DENY JESUS SACRIFICE TO SEND YOU TO THE HELL
@DANIELandNADIA050 WHEN THE RAMPANT PEDOPHILE AND SEX ABUSE SCANDAL IN CHRISTIAN CHURCHES ALL OVER THE WORLD WAS EXPOSED IN 2010, MILLIONS OF PEOPLE LEAVE CHURCH IN DROVE.57% OF VATICAN POPULATION EMBRACE ISLAM AND DOING DISCREETLY FEARING LOSING THEIR CITIZENSHIP.
@TheAbahaziz YOU CONFUSED CATHOLISM WITH CHRISTIANITY A COMMON MISTAKE MANY MUSLIM AND OTHERS MADE , BUT CATHOLISM IS NOT CRISTIANITY IS IDOLATRY , YOU JUST PROVE THAT YOU DONT HAVE A CLUE OF WHAT CHRISTIANITY IS
@TheAbahaziz A STUDY REVEALS WHAT ?? JA JA JA DONT YOU SEE THAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE SIMPLE AND PLAIN NOT POSIBLE ??? WHAT ARE YOU DOING PLAYING ALTAQUIYA ?? Well i agree with you that many people even christian dont want to leave up to Jesus espectation ,but serioulsly man dont you think 99% is an exageration ?? also to be honest i lost the track of what we were talking in the first place ,
@DANIELandNADIA050 SEARCH FOR "THE DECLINE OF CHRISTIANITY IN AMERICA". IT IS A CHRISTIAN WEBSITE..... TRUTH ALWAYS BITTER AND PLEASE STOP LIVING IN DENIAL....
@DANIELandNADIA050,, Who are the people that are worshipping the Satan, we or you ? Do you know that the term Jesus is derived from Greek Zeus, Teutonic Ziu, Roman Jovis & Jupitar. All these deities represent the Sun god. Zeus means the Bright or the Shining One; Helel (Lucifer), the son of the morning –sun- like in the book of Isa. 14:12. Zeus is the devil, masquerading as the angel of light as it is stated in the second Epistle to Cor 11:14. Altogether “Jesus” means “Hail Zeus”.
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Muhammad is not god,Muhammad is not god,Muhammad is not god,Muhammad is not god,Muhammad is not god,Muhammad is not god,Muhammad is not god,Muhammad is not god,Muhammad is not god,Muhammad is not god.Muhammad is not god.Muhammad is not god.Muhammad is not god.I think I have to say this thousands of times to make you understand.
@jcAetiologyoKathexis I hope you are clear and can understand easily after I say this..How if the name of that god is Allah?You can name whatever you like on god,but Allah is the most acceptable term for god all over the world.
@6572820IKN a rose by any other name is still a rose...and a rose is a rose is a rose...still no religion comes close in understanding some surpreme other being- all religions are just mindless dogma and have no soul whether it be "judaism" "christianity" "islam" they are just about controling the masses making them slaves keeping them in bondage- and they all damage the soul,heart,mind and life!
any miracles ?!! & if we didn't we will go to the hell ?!!! didn't god knew that he created a mind ( brain ) for us ? } & also questions about holy prophit Mohammad ( pbuh ) & questions about the mistakes in the bible pls send for me on my inbox account thank you
I am a aMuslim borned & I am ready for answering any Question about Iislam like {why didn't god comfit ( conserves ) the holy Bible & just comfited the holy Quraan ? } & { what is the proofs which proves that the Quraan is the words of god ?} & { after god has stopped the messages & stopped sendig a profits ( messangers ) with miracles proves that they are sending from god is he ordering us to believe in him without any proofs & without
@TheYungapostle so why are you here on this page....which has nothing to do with Christianity? commenting day after day, hour after hour. It's quite pathetic.
To all Muslims: the clown named @MesMorial claims that he knows Qur'an very well and then goes on to say that "Muhammad is not a part of Islam's message". He also has a mistress (ex-muslim) @LittleQueenTudor who supposedly has a very high IQ level who congratulate Muhammad (pbuh) with merry christmas on her channel. Can you imagine this comedy? They both block people on their channels who start owning them in debates. Let's just laugh at them loudly. ROFLMAO pfahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Those to whom We gave the Scripture (Jews and Christians) recognise him (Muhammad SAW or the Ka'bah at Makkah) as they recongise their sons. But verily, a party of them conceal the truth while they know it - [i.e. the qualities of Muhammad SAW which are written in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)]. (En: Khan) The people of the Book know this as they know their own sons; but some of them conceal the truth which they themselves know. (En: Yusuf)
@Kuch95 This is faulty, both the NT and the torah were written almost 500yrs before the quran. It is a proud statement to suggest"those we gave the scriptures"Who does "we'suggest.Thats two gods.
Are u sure about what ur saying cuz u are stupid to just say evil bad stuff about a religion that u dont know about and a prophet whom u have never learned about so i advise to just keep ur mouth shut about bad stuff
Islam will survived .Extinction of Christian is began.My friend told me that he didnt go church for the rest of his life.Thats the first sign of extinction.We muslims always go to the mosque everyday including Friday.
@adam200023 Wat does this mean? your english is hard to tell, i dont mean to offend u, just saying. R u saying u always going to mosque on fri is christians extinction?.
In Acts 2 Peter said "Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know" and Phill 2 even says Jesus became a servant, ie he submitted himself to the will of God and then God's work manifested through Jesus, including the miracles. But Christians seem to worship the manifestations and not the true source of them...God.
Hence is it fair to say God manifested in Jesus and God was worshipped through Jesus but Jesus himself is not God. Peter says in Acts 2 "Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know". Most Christians do not even understand this simple matter.
@molvicorleone I believe that at least one of the wise men were from modern day iraq and one was black, im sorry our conversation has gone so far between him and me i dont know wat u r talking about.
@molvicorleone Jesus is god. An apostle asked:iwanna c god.jesus said'apostle after all this time i have been with u u still dont recognize my face, if u have seen me u have seen the father". When the jews are asked by pilate what this man is charged with(jesus)the say "he claimed he is god. Jesus thus is god and all any man can hope to be saved thru.
@TheYungapostle Therin lies the problem, this is your interpretation. It however contradicts 1) the monothiestic belief itself and 2) Jesus who said 'don't call me good, only God is good'. If you understood Abrahimic spirituality in itself you would understand what Jesus meant clearly. God was 'manifest' through him. It doesn't mean Jesus is 'God' but Jesus killed his own desires, submitted to God and let God do HIS Will, hence Luke 22:42.
@molvicorleone I have read the bible many times over with the same questions to myself, is jesus god or son of god. And i have always come to the fact that jesus is god, PERIOD. The suffering servant is a verse of the process of god in human form, when u argue christs divinity u argue the promises truth, that in christ christians are saved thru the blood of the crucifixion. U r terribly flawed in this matter.
@TheYungapostle it doesn't matter to me what you say, how you interpret the book is according to your own understanding. I believe what all the Prophets taught. I read the bible in order to understand the mindset of the Prophets of Israel which includes Jesus. I found the main reason for this Christian problem is due to the concept of LOGOS. I do not strictly consider the LOGOS as GOD but as God's Expression.
@molvicorleone and as such, it goes without saying, the LOGOS is transparent, as in like a 'prism' and such it is called 'The only begotten Son'. You seem unable to comprehend these truths but I've remained impartial and have studied the religions in depth to know this concept (the logos) was more a philosophical idea of the nature of reality and thus, comes down to perspective. A monothiestic perspective, you clearly do not posess, hence you're no follow of Abraham.
@TheYungapostle In Isaiah 53 Jesus is prophecied as the 'the suffering SERVANT' and Isaiah says "Yet it was the LORD’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer"
Remember this, Gods Will. What do you think Islam means? Submission to the Will of God.
@abuabdullahassalafi And I cannot stress enough, that whether your Christian or Muslim, you learn by the book, which has stories without proof, it's absolute rubbish.
i hate God cuz we play his Game an i don't like it, if u play his game he will give u in the End a Fuckin' Piece of Candy LiKe ur Dad Fuck our Brain all the life Like a Action Film Drama Blah Blah Blah FuCk u an Fuck ur God too _|_ .
Sure, if you are muslim, be muslim. By all means bash Christians, and by all means Christians should bash muslims.
But as for us atheists, we allready have our place reserved in damnation... if so, so be it, leave us alone and stop trying to force your religeon upon us.
We do not believe in magical beings, that have never shown proof, NEVER, not ONCE.
We have BOOKS, it proves nothing, it is but a story, the quran, the bible, the same thing.
@mrdanni Can I kindly ask you, if you were to be faced with a horrible catastrophe, for example a brake failure in a car you were travelling in, would you not at least say "Oh God, please save me"?
@AbuAbdullahAsSalafi I'd be more likely to say "Fuuuuuuck!" and slam my fist on the dash-board.
That being said, lot's of people say 'oh my god' etc, it has no Religeous value, it's just a common phrase that has been used for a very very long time.
@mrdanni OK fair enough that's your choice. That was not an argument, I was just testing your response. What would "Fuuuuuuck" actually mean in that situation? Would it help? Would those be your last words? Would you use that vulgarity in front of your children if they were with you?
@mrdanni Also, I have to mention something. Do you believe in intelligent design without a Creator? Intelligence in the creation does not ever, ever, ever come by way of chance or mere coincidence. Has it ever? and have you witnessed it forming? Science is the Laws that have been put in place by God Almighty. Why do you think the reward for believing in The Lord, Unseen is so immense? Because it is hard and goes against the 'inner-self'.
@mrdanni I am trying to get at something which you will know in due time. So you do not believe in 'anything'? Which may or may not have created you? You do acknowledge that you exist, right?
@mrdanni So do you know how you came about then? You do not attribute your creation to anyone? Did you create yourself then? You surely must believe something, let me know, thanks.
Certain elements are required to give life, materials, of which every planet has unique sets. Earth just happened to have what is needed for life 'here' on earth and so the long stroll of evolution came, there was no God, not at all.
And the next question will be: How did the planets and everything the universe is, get here?
Still impossible to answer, however, resorting to 'god' is impossible. There is simply nothing, either side, to go by.
@mrdanni Are you implying then that Evolution is a force that 'creates'? or 'shapes'? Again, the argument now is of intelligent design. Can something be created by nothing? By the way, a complex process such as protein synthesis cannot occur without another protein molecule. So, life cannot exist without the existence of life. So someone or something created the life of creatures. I call Him God Almighty.
@mrdanni If you believe that we do exist, in reality, then the 'One' or 'thing' which created us must have some attributes. I hope you agree with this. If you find that 'Evolution', 'Nature' or anything similar does not have even a single identifiable attribute then that thing does not exist. Agree? You are only familiar with 0.000000000000000000001% of the universe, or even less. Do you then negate all the rest of that? Deny when you are still unsure and not resolute about it?
@AbuAbdullahAsSalafi Rubbish as we have recorded history that dates back thousands of years, of which is accurate, these 'prophets' and what not are FICTIONAL.
@mrdanni So when you do not possess every type of knowledge, nor have a map of the Universe and beyond, nor have experienced death and come back to life; how can you make a Judgement on the existence of God. You believe that planet Neptune exists on the accounts and reports of NASA and (I'm not saying you surely do) you believe the reports of the Media (run by the Illuminati, Rockerfellers and Bilderbergs) that all Muslims want world destruction and are terrorists, who support OBL?
@mrdanni I hate Osama bin Laden, May he rot in Hell, Ameen. You see, it's about trust. I trust the men (Prophets & Messengers of God Almighty) who came hundreds of years apart all saying the same thing. "Worship the One True God, besides whom you have no diety worthy of worship in truth". They all came with One message, from God Almighty. We do not attribute weakness to Him, but an All-Powerful Command which He possesses.
@mrdanni Charles Darwin was not the one who came up with the idea of 'Evolution'. It was his Grandfather and from his book, Charles got some of his ideas. He was about 28 years old when he came up with this 'theory'. He was a known recluse and there are some known reports which I have read, which say he may have had Autism, looking at the patterns of behaviour he displayed. Anyway, what I mean to say is that this man did not know a thing about DNA, nor its complexity.
@mrdanni The Origin of complex life cannot be something basic, can it? Something so small, such as the SAR11 bacteria consists of about 20 components within its cell membranes. If one motor or nucleic component fails the whole thing ceases to exist. So how can a cell regulate itself? DNA? Yes. But Who created that DNA and its tRNA and mRNA components? They did not and cannot give life to themselves. Someone commanded them to "BE". He is God Almighty. He is not to be negated.
@mrdanni What pleasant language you have, thank you. I don't bow for no man either. I bow to the Almighty for myself, for my own success when all is 'done and dusted'.
Just as the Qur'An says, there will be some people of the scripture speaking the truth, while some conceal it. "Some" is very important when mentioning the issues of mischief makers on earth.
@SapianImp Islam talks all about the right, lifestyle, death, resurrection, actions on earth, etc of human. Islam means submission to the One & Only true God, Whom created "Humanism" and all that exist.
@ForgivingBeingFilms The creator is outside of existence, and must be in order for existence to be at all, but existence works on its own like a mechanism; there is no intervention or relevance in fearing Him or following worldly traditions. The religion of the future is a faithful understanding of the capacity in all sapient beings to pursue perfection and progress in all things, throwing away all tradition and unjust emotion. - Although your response has not yet technically contradicted this.
@Sudhish86 quran and the bible speak of the same god ofc but there is a huge difference and that is the bible say jesus is god and god is 3 , but in the quran god is one and only one so Mohammed didn't actually revised the bible he corrected it from corruption and the difference between god is one or god is three is beyond huge
@systemisover.lol Mormans, JWs, and LDS believe the same thing of themselves. It's amazing how Jesus says he is the one who was to come and somehow that perverses the Bible...even though it is foretold everywhere in the OT. Jesus can't fulfill that yet someone else can? >_>
you intend to seek the same God, but, if you are a muslim, you ignore how even in the OT it is still about God's mercy on our hearts that is salvation, not us and our deeds being worthy.
@Sudhish86 I'm sorry. You mentioned that we forget about how merciful God is.... Thats not true though. If you think about it, for being given life, for being able to do everything that we can do, those of us who can walk, talk, see, hear, and think with a mind that is well developed, is there any possible way that we can thank the one who gave us all of this enough? What about the ridiculous amount of things we do that are wrong? God's mercy is the only thing that gives hope of escaping hell.
@BrisingerButterfly, yes but, doctrinally speaking, the salvation is not found in the faith alone, but also the deeds. In Christianity, the salvation is inherently in the faith, while the obedience is supplimentary. This is self-evident if you consider that worship refers to that within ENTIRELY. Does a good employee necessarily do good deeds? or is he good because he understands his presence there is for the company and commits himself to it in his heart?
@Sudhish86 But of course the employee has to do well at what he is told to do. What use is an employee who can't, or won't do anything? They would be fired. The employer isn't looking for someone who knows in his heart where he belongs. The employer is looking for someone who can do the job.
What kind of employees get promotions? Ones who work hard? rarely. Ones who percieve as the boss does and commit themselves to furthering the boss' aims? always.
@Sudhish86 How can one be committed to furthering the boss' aims without working hard for that very goal? Its not possible to do so sitting in an office chair being content with the fact that you know what the boss wants, without actually doing what he want. Right?
@Sudhish86@Sudhish86 I'm sorry, both what exactly? I firmly believe that if you are dedicated to anything or anyone, you would try your best for it. Dedication without anything to show for it is hypocritical at best. Realistically speaking, you can't really separate the two. Why would someone work hard for something they aren't dedicated to? Why would the boss pay someone who says he wants to further said aims, but never does anything to further them? They become empty word at that point.
@systemisover Bible never says god is 3, that is a convenient misconception by muslim teachers to paint christians as believing in three gods, jesus id the only god.PERIOD.
@AbuAbdullahAsSalafi correct, but god took human form in emmanuel and every human needs a womb.The birth was the promise of redemption and oneness with god(jesus).
@TheYungapostle Why would God take a form which is so lowly? I mean humans defecate, vomit, rely on breastmilk, needs sexual intercourse, etc Do you understand what I am trying to imply?
@AbuAbdullahAsSalafi Man is made in the image of god, thats why christian men dont cover there heads when they pray,your own muhammed did those things, u understand what i am trying to imply. How bout your book of muhammeds sayings and his life, why another book outside the quran when your quran is of Your allah.
@AbuAbdullahAsSalafi Correct god came born from a woman mary. Jesus is god in human form,thus emmanuel. He didnt say if u believe i am a prophet your sins will be forgiven rather believe"i am."
@TheYungapostle if Jesus is the only God then who is "the father" and "the Holy Ghost" that Christians believe in? how can he be "the son of God" and "God" at the same time? Why would he cry "my god my god why have you foresaken me" during crucifixion? that should read "myself myself why have i forsaken myself".
@BannedMann God is Jesus, one in the same. Son of God refers to God as christ when he came so that man might be given redemption and salvation. Holy Ghost is a gift from the lord to a believer.
@TheYungapostle so when Jesus (PBUH) was alive as a Human was he God then? if Yes, Why did he say "my god my god why have you foresaken me" and if no who was running the world while Jesus was just a human?
@BannedMann yes he was god, and the bible states the power that be are in control while i am still here,the romans. You should thank me for having this debate with u, since even facts u wont take, so u r really just being extremely rude with your antagonistic questions. Explain muhammeds wife aisha too me.
@TheYungapostle i'm not being rude you're not making any sense. if Jesus (PBUH) himself was God at the time he was a human 1. how could he get killed 2. why would he say "my god my god why have you foresaken me" is he talking to himself or is he praying to someone else? you try to fireback by asking about 7th century marriages while applying 21st century values to it? do you think in the 35th century people will have the same values as us in 21st century?
@BannedMann when i first heard what i am suggesting to u, i even tried to rationalize it, i said to myself in the 16 and 17th centries british people and people in europe married 15 and 16,never 9.
@TheYungapostle by the way the age of aisha is not confirmed. Sunnis say she was 9 shia say she was 21 both giving some evidence. but even if she was 9, ITS THE 7TH CENTURY DESERT.
@BannedMann scholars all over say she was 6 or 9. And your concious agree with that?, cause mine dont. and no time period ever married that young. "even if she was?" thats terrible. 21 is way out.
@TheYungapostle no Shia scholars say she was 21 her age is not confirmed. marrying a 9 year old in the 21st century is not right our standards changed since the 7TH CENTURY DESERT.
@BannedMann 2 the best of my knowledge ive been honest with u,but when faced with a tough question u say they say as high as 21, i know this is not a right #,even muslims say 6-10yrs old.
@TheYungapostle her age is completely unconfirmed. lets say she was definitely 9, that was normal amongst BEDOUINS IN THE 7TH CENTURY stop comparing it to New York 21st century.
@BannedMann i could compare it to 1460, any yr. Think about wat comes with marriage then that she is 9.wrong.That was not common in bedouin 7th century,there were good people there and then too.
@TheYungapostle it was NORMAL amongst bedouins in the 7th century as soon as you hit puberty you're eligible for marriage. today an 18 year old CAN marry a 100 year- the new standards
@TheYungapostle and do you think in the 35th century people won't look back at us and look down on some of our standards that they rightfully will change? you can marry a girl at any age in 7th century standards but you cannot engage in intercourse until she hits puberty. its not NORMAL to us but it was NORMAL to the 7th century bedouins the sooner you understand that standards and values change in between time and culture, the easier this will be....
@BannedMann now u suggest he never had intercourse with her til her puberty, which can start at 14. and thats still young. Your goin on the defensive tells me u feel u have to defend it so its wrong.
@TheYungapostle "which can start at 14" or younger. It is documented in the same documents that you are using to prove she was 9 when she was married that the prophet did not engage in sexual intercourse with her till she hit puberty. so why believe half of the document and ignore the other half? and i'll say it again its wrong in today's standards but was normal to them in the 7th century, is this difficult?
@BannedMann You have never heard once that he had no sexual relations with her at that age, and u went from 21 to the 9 i said at first even though u tried to deny it. Cite the document?im goin on common knowledge of the prophet as it was originally written of his wife aisha. How bout the satanic verses, why would a man of god be connected with satanic verses.
@TheYungapostle i didn't try to deny it i said her age is not confirmed the dispute on her age ranges from 6 to 21. Then i said lets say she was definitely 9 even though there is NOWAY to be 100% sure of it. Even then it was normal to their standards in the 7th century desert.
There are no satanic verses in the Quran, Christians with low self-esteem like you make a lot of crap up like "Allah is a moon God" and all other rediculous claims to convince yourself that you are right.
@BannedMann U make it so some1 cant be polite to u and let u say the truth, u non truth teller. Aisha age is a definite 6-9 and the satanic verses r very real, thats why at a later point they were retracted and even said to never have existed. Of course u would say there made up, they dont fit your regular routine and cant b lied away.
@TheYungapostle I'm not even being rude you're very touchy. you're arguments against Islam so far are nothing but hot air. this is what you've argued so far: "Islam is not the truth because your prophet didn't live by 21st century standards", "islam is not the truth because i heared someone talk about Satanic verses that are not in the Quran and you don't believe in" doesn't that sound pathetic to you too?
@BannedMann The way u attempt to coordinate and shape our debate is shameful and rude. This here isnt for u too give me a rundown on what u believe, and for me to defend wat i believe, even at its best it must go 50/50. U started out trying to discredit a claim on christs divinity, when i explain u say i dont explain right, i ask u questions i have and u say my questions are hog wash and arent even accurate. So now i say to u, your questions arent accurate and my defense will jus be: NOT true.
@TheYungapostle if a person doesn't shape or coordinate a debate we could be talking about pinapples in a few responses. you were not asking questions because i don't know how many times i had to mention that applying 21st century standards to the 7th century desert is not a fruitful conversation to have.
Speaking of fruitful Pinapples are my favourite fruit.
but seriously if you have any serious questions to ask then go ahead but enough with the bullcrap.
@BannedMann The way u were ghoin about answer questions is wat i mean, for exp. say u were to ask me where jesus was from because u were looking to scripture to determine his divinity(keep in mind at this point u dont believe in his divinity), and i simply say to u:"oh, GOD" god is from Heaven. This is the type of coordinated approach u wish to box this conversation up in. In my country only politician approach 'debates' this way. If i wer fair with u wen u asked were jesus wasFrom i saBethlehem
@TheYungapostle i didn't ask where was Jesus from. my first message addressed to you was regarding the "only Jesus is God" which you said. i said if Jesus (the son) is the only God then who is the father and the holy ghost. at this point you were already complaining about my rudeness and that i should consider myself lucky you're debating me. Then, YOUR questions to me were fruitless and i grew impatiant with repeating the same simple answer.
@BannedMann Oh two times is enough to exhaust your patience?. Jesus is the father and the son, God in human form, given that i've given u examples i trust i dont have to again. The holy spirit is a gift that comes from taking christ as your personal saviour, and not a god in itself. The last exp. i gave was an example of your agenda, a quick reason for nobody to suffer thru "debate' with u, a debate cannot be continually asking with recieved answers.
@TheYungapostle TWO TIMES??? go back through our conversation and look at how many times i had to reminde you the 7th century is not the 21st century. Its a simple answer that i don't need to go into detail for. if you asked what 1+1 is I could either say 2 or i could ramble on about the origin of numbers. simple questions get simple answers and don't be surprised if people lose their patience when you make them repeat the same simple answer over and over again.
@BannedMann Right from that 7th century comment i realized u couldnt be expected for solid answers,and thats the truth. Aisha was 6-9 yrs.old and u know it, dont use 7th century as excuse.
@BannedMann You cant be trusted for a solid answer, only one that suits your pre determined answers. While all my answers r clear, and besides your refusal to take da truth,when i ask u say 7TH CNTRY
@TheYungapostle your answers are clear? nice joke. you are as confusing, contradictory and inconsistent as the trinity. you don't accept answers because you have no confidence in your religion and the only way to convince yourself you are right is by attacking other religions on pathetic and unimportant gossip. As i have already said your arguments against islam are nothing but hot air.
@BannedMann I wont attemp to explain the trinity 2 u, cause i already have. There is truly no compulsion in christianity, only 2 attack something, i do feel u should understand wat u attack...and since u ask me of the trinity,your question makes your guilt crystal clear. I wont judge u though, good day to u sir.Peace.
@TheYungapostle i never even attacked, its been you attacking based on mindless gossip and my last message was not a question. you have a good day too, peace.
@BannedMann And i would imagine people in that century would say i cant blieve there was pedophilia still in those days. Or good ways to recycle waste.
@BannedMann I'll explain how Jesus can be God, and still rule the universe. Can we agree that God is infinite? If God poured His infinite being into a vessel (like a human body-Jesus) there would still be the infinite God ruling in heaven, by defintion of infinite. In Phillipians 2:6 it explains how Jesus was God, but that when in human form he subtracted certain qualities, which is why He was able to pray to the Father in Heaven, and why Jesus wasn't omnipresent for example.
@KurtCobain198666 Thank you. At least that makes some sense without constant contradictions. but aren't we all vessels? and God gave us all souls? why worship a vessel?
@TheYungapostle both you and the muslim guy do not understand the truth of the matter. You both seem like literalists. First you should study the concept of LOGOS. Logos, is un all of us, as in we are all 1 eternal spirit. This concept was with the greeks before the jew, the greeks took it from persia, persians took it from India. Logos is the Universal Consciousness, it is God's Eternal expression..
@molvicorleone If i were a literalist i might say that jesus was the son only. However when the angel came to john, he said u will bring many people back to there god, who did john make way for as elijah?Jesus. Emmanuel means"god is with us". The jews when layin an accusation against pilate for jesus's crucifixion said straight out:"he claimed to b God." It also says in many scriptures that jesus had the spirit of god in him, not physically, spiritually. He is god, the father and the son.
@TheYungapostle You've just added 2+2 to get 10. The 'jews' didn't say.....why don't you be more specific, which jews? the pharisees accepted Jesus deep down, it was the Sadducees who rejected him and these guys were indeed literalists. So it isn't so much what Jesus claimed but how they perceived his message, the only difference is they rejected it. I accepted the same teachings you did but I interpreted them differently and my version conforms withabrahimic monothiesm.
@molvicorleone Listen its the pharisees that devise the plan to have jesus killed and its the sadduccees chief priest that initially defends him,saying"since when do we execute a man without a trial?"
@TheYungapostle e.g 'god is with us' doesn't make Jesus into God, it means God is manifest through Jesus and what is wrong with this belief? nothing. Plenty of evidences for this. Whereas when YOU claim he is God then you contradict far too many texts about Jesus, even Acts 2 (what peter said about Jesus). You can kid yourself but not me.
@molvicorleone Even the jews of both sides knew jesus was god,There is a passage of an apostle asking2 c god, jesus replies,Apostle after all this time with me u still dont recognize me?.luk1:16-17Try
@molvicorleone When u say god is manifest thru jesus u r saying wat im saying. jesus is god in human form, there r countless verses for this. explain the name emmanuel, why didnt the angel say and he shall call him(Gods SON is with us). Check luke 1:16-17/luke5:1/luke9:2/luke9:61-62/luke17:11-19.
@TheYungapostle No, we're not saying the same thing. The prism cannot be mistaken for the light..yet it is through the prism the light is made known. That prism is the Logos, through which God is manifest. Jesus was the Logos made flesh. This understanding explains things clearly. If you're an honest man, you'll actually try reading the bible with this understanding and see if it makes sense. e.g Acts 2:22
@TheYungapostle as for the texts you mentioned. Did it ever occur to you that perhaps, it's because John the Baptist was a prophet of God and Prophets are men who's sole job it is to turn their people, towards God? and it is Jesus who said 'why do you call me good, only God is good'. By all means, ignore this bit, Christians usually do and it's why muslim like me just roll our eyes at your lack of understanding despite the simplicity of the matter.
@molvicorleone Every muslim wont except what it is Gods promise was in his crucifixion as christ, In him sins died so that a man could by jesus's blood b saved once in for all, read john1:1.The word.
@TheYungapostle if I was going to worship man-gods I would return to Hinduism, the religion of my ancestors. The whole 'point' of the Abrahimic religion taught by the Prophets was to worship God alone. Where it concerns someone like Jesus it is still better to have a more enlightened perspective and like Paul said 'to the pure, all things are Holy'. The pure see the signs of God in all things yet they do not worship all things, their mind is concentrated on God alone...
@TheYungapostle if I was going to worship man-gods I would return to Hinduism, the religion of my ancestors. The whole 'point' of the Abrahimic religion taught by the Prophets was to worship God alone. Where it concerns someone like Jesus it is still better to have a more enlightened perspective and like Paul said 'to the pure, all things are Holy'. The pure see the signs of God in all things yet they do not worship all things, their mind is concentrated on God alone...
DEAR MUSLIM TO BE..WELCOME TO ISLAM..YOU HAVE MADE A RIGHT DECISION AND YOU ARE NOT ALONE..A STUDY IN US REVEALS MORE THAN 99% OF ALL AMERICANS BETWEEN THE AGE OF 18-23 REJECT THE BIBLICAL WORLDVIEW.THEY DONT BELIEVE AMONG OTHERS 1.BIBLE IS COMPLETELY ACCURATE IN ALL OF THE PRINCIPALS IT TEACHES. 2.JESUS CHRIST LIVED A SINLESS LIFE ON EARTH.THE 99% YOUNG PEOPLE,THE CITIZENS OF TOMORROW CLEARLY REJECTING THE TRADITIONAL CHRISTIAN TEACHING.SEARCH FOR "THE DECLINE OF CHRISTIANITY IN AMERICA".
TheAbahaziz 6 hours ago
As long as he gets rid of that silly hat, I'm happy for him.
moo2thetube 1 day ago
DEAR MUSLIM TO BE..WELCOME TO ISLAM..YOU HAVE MADE A RIGHT DECISION AND YOU ARE NOT ALONE..MILLIONS OF PEOPLE IN EUROPE AND NORTH AMERICA ARE LEAVING CHRISTIANITY AND SINCE ISLAM IS THE FINAL REVELATION OF ABRAHAM, MOSES AND JESE'S GOD,MOST OF THEM TURN TO ISLAM.IN US ALONE 2.7 MILLION PEOPLE LEAVE CHURCH EVERY YEAR AND 4000 CHURCHES CLOSED YEARLY.SEARCH FOR "STATISTIC AND REASONS FOR CHURCH DECLINE-INTO THY WORD MINISTRIES". ALSO "CNN NEWS:1.5 MILLION AMERICANS CONVERT TO ISLAM".
TheAbahaziz 1 day ago
@TheAbahaziz ISLAM IS NOT FROM GOD AND HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ABRAHAM ,ABRAHAM NEVER WAS MUSLIM NEVER ! ALSO YOU ARE A LIAR THOSE NUMBER THAT YOU ARE GIVING ARE FALSE , ALSO MILLIONS OF MUSLIM ARE LEAVING ISLAM EVERYDAY ,DONT FORGET TO REST THOSE TO YOUR SO CALL MILLIONS , COME TO JESUS OR BURN IN HELL ,
DANIELandNADIA050 1 day ago
@DANIELandNADIA050 Dear brother, its true that Abraham was not a Muslim, neither could he be a Christian, Islam came only with the advent of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) like how Christianity came with the advent Isa (pbuh) [ Christ in your words]. I request you to read the Qur'an, and I'll pray that you get guided.
findingzaina 1 day ago
@findingzaina OH!! I AGREE that abraham wasn't cristian neither , christianity start 2000 years ago after jesus resurection , also i agree that islam start after mohamed ,AT LAST AN HONEST MUSLIM WHO SAID THE TRUTH AS IS IT !!! i also recomend to you to read the Bible and may God open your eyes and save you and bless you !!
DANIELandNADIA050 1 day ago
@DANIELandNADIA050 WHAT EVER NAME YOU CALL IT ..ISLAM IS ALREADY THERE SINCE ADAM.... I AM NOT LYING..SEARCH FOR "STATISTIC AND REASONS FOR CHURCH DECLINE-INTO THY WORD MINISTRIES". INTO THY WORD MINISTRIES IS A CHRISTIAN BODY.
TheAbahaziz 1 day ago
@TheAbahaziz IF ISLAM IS SUMISION TO GOD I AGREE THAT ISLAM WAS HERE FROM THE BEGGING NOT OF MAN KIND FROM THE BIGGING OF HEAVEN IT SELF BECAUSE THE ANGELS ARE IN SUMISION TO GOD , BUT IF ISLAM IS WHAT CAME THROUGH MOHAMED SO ISLAM IS HERE FOR THE LAST 1400 YEAR NOT BEFORE,and those stadistis DONT INCLUDE THE HUGE NUMBER OS MUSLIM THAT ARE LEAVING ISLAM EVERY DAY ,or are you gonna said that nobody ever leave islam ???
DANIELandNADIA050 1 day ago
@DANIELandNADIA050 WHY ARE YOU MUMBLING LIKE AN OLD LADY...THE READERS AND ME ARE NOT STUPID TO SWALLOW EVERY THING YOU POSTED... PLEASE BACK YOUR ALLEGATION WITH SOME KIND OF PROOF OR LINK TO THE SOURCE.... IN INTERNET ANY BLANK STATEMENT IS AS GOOD AS RUBBISH.....
TheAbahaziz 1 day ago
@TheAbahaziz YOU dont need to believe if you dont want is your problem not mine ,BUT THERE IS NOT NEED TO PROVE SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY KNEW THAT THERE MILLIONS LEAVING ISLAM ,IN FACT THE NUMBER IS NOT BIGGER JUST BECAUSE THEY RISK THEIR LIVE WHEN THEY LEAVE ISLAM , THE god OF MOHAMED WAS SATAN ,NOT GOD , satan knows the importance of the sacrifice of jesus and thats why he created the coran JUST TO DENY JESUS SACRIFICE TO SEND YOU TO THE HELL
DANIELandNADIA050 1 day ago
@DANIELandNADIA050 WHEN THE RAMPANT PEDOPHILE AND SEX ABUSE SCANDAL IN CHRISTIAN CHURCHES ALL OVER THE WORLD WAS EXPOSED IN 2010, MILLIONS OF PEOPLE LEAVE CHURCH IN DROVE.57% OF VATICAN POPULATION EMBRACE ISLAM AND DOING DISCREETLY FEARING LOSING THEIR CITIZENSHIP.
TheAbahaziz 1 day ago
@TheAbahaziz YOU CONFUSED CATHOLISM WITH CHRISTIANITY A COMMON MISTAKE MANY MUSLIM AND OTHERS MADE , BUT CATHOLISM IS NOT CRISTIANITY IS IDOLATRY , YOU JUST PROVE THAT YOU DONT HAVE A CLUE OF WHAT CHRISTIANITY IS
DANIELandNADIA050 1 day ago
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TheAbahaziz 1 day ago
@TheAbahaziz A STUDY REVEALS WHAT ?? JA JA JA DONT YOU SEE THAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE SIMPLE AND PLAIN NOT POSIBLE ??? WHAT ARE YOU DOING PLAYING ALTAQUIYA ?? Well i agree with you that many people even christian dont want to leave up to Jesus espectation ,but serioulsly man dont you think 99% is an exageration ?? also to be honest i lost the track of what we were talking in the first place ,
DANIELandNADIA050 1 day ago
@DANIELandNADIA050 SEARCH FOR "THE DECLINE OF CHRISTIANITY IN AMERICA". IT IS A CHRISTIAN WEBSITE..... TRUTH ALWAYS BITTER AND PLEASE STOP LIVING IN DENIAL....
TheAbahaziz 1 day ago
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@DANIELandNADIA050,, Who are the people that are worshipping the Satan, we or you ? Do you know that the term Jesus is derived from Greek Zeus, Teutonic Ziu, Roman Jovis & Jupitar. All these deities represent the Sun god. Zeus means the Bright or the Shining One; Helel (Lucifer), the son of the morning –sun- like in the book of Isa. 14:12. Zeus is the devil, masquerading as the angel of light as it is stated in the second Epistle to Cor 11:14. Altogether “Jesus” means “Hail Zeus”.
RightPath4ever 4 hours ago
@DANIELandNADIA050 THE GOD OF MUHAMMAD IS THE SAME GOD OF ADAM, NOAH.....ABRAHAM,MOSES AND JESUS.....BECAUSE THERE IS NO GOD BUT HE.!!!!
TheAbahaziz 1 day ago
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Muhammad is not god,Muhammad is not god,Muhammad is not god,Muhammad is not god,Muhammad is not god,Muhammad is not god,Muhammad is not god,Muhammad is not god,Muhammad is not god,Muhammad is not god.Muhammad is not god.Muhammad is not god.Muhammad is not god.I think I have to say this thousands of times to make you understand.Especially to Christians.
6572820IKN 3 days ago
Muhammad is not god,Muhammad is not god,Muhammad is not god,Muhammad is not god,Muhammad is not god,Muhammad is not god,Muhammad is not god,Muhammad is not god,Muhammad is not god,Muhammad is not god.Muhammad is not god.Muhammad is not god.Muhammad is not god.I think I have to say this thousands of times to make you understand.
6572820IKN 3 days ago
@6572820IKN there is no god but god! and no religion comes close!
jcAetiologyoKathexis 2 days ago
@jcAetiologyoKathexis I hope you are clear and can understand easily after I say this..How if the name of that god is Allah?You can name whatever you like on god,but Allah is the most acceptable term for god all over the world.
6572820IKN 2 days ago
@6572820IKN a rose by any other name is still a rose...and a rose is a rose is a rose...still no religion comes close in understanding some surpreme other being- all religions are just mindless dogma and have no soul whether it be "judaism" "christianity" "islam" they are just about controling the masses making them slaves keeping them in bondage- and they all damage the soul,heart,mind and life!
jcAetiologyoKathexis 1 day ago
@jcAetiologyoKathexis You are a brainless retard alright.
6572820IKN 1 day ago
So much truth in this Rabbi. Much respect, May God bless him and all of our Jewish brothers and sisters.
HDIslam7 3 days ago
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any miracles ?!! & if we didn't we will go to the hell ?!!! didn't god knew that he created a mind ( brain ) for us ? } & also questions about holy prophit Mohammad ( pbuh ) & questions about the mistakes in the bible pls send for me on my inbox account thank you
11DRAGOSANYA 4 days ago
I am a aMuslim borned & I am ready for answering any Question about Iislam like {why didn't god comfit ( conserves ) the holy Bible & just comfited the holy Quraan ? } & { what is the proofs which proves that the Quraan is the words of god ?} & { after god has stopped the messages & stopped sendig a profits ( messangers ) with miracles proves that they are sending from god is he ordering us to believe in him without any proofs & without
11DRAGOSANYA 4 days ago
@11DRAGOSANYA prophets not profits = $
PhuQuangLe111 4 days ago
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Watch this video under this title: Muslim Converts to Christianity and Exposes the evils of the Cult of Islam
cubaniton74 4 days ago
guys lost it at his age
d3r2000 5 days ago
GOD IS # 1 I LOVE JESUS HE IS THE BEST IN THE WORLD HE IS THE RULER OF THIS WOLD WHO IS ISLAM HE IS CRAP ILL TAKE A SHIT ON HIS FACE
redman7028 5 days ago
@redman7028 hehehe, lol. That u EB? this is your homie RP! we r some christ lovers. Til christ returns its big ups to jesus the lord and saviour.
TheYungapostle 5 days ago
@TheYungapostle so why are you here on this page....which has nothing to do with Christianity? commenting day after day, hour after hour. It's quite pathetic.
molvicorleone 5 days ago
At last, a Jew who knows what he is talking about.
Andhaira 5 days ago
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To all Muslims: the clown named @MesMorial claims that he knows Qur'an very well and then goes on to say that "Muhammad is not a part of Islam's message". He also has a mistress (ex-muslim) @LittleQueenTudor who supposedly has a very high IQ level who congratulate Muhammad (pbuh) with merry christmas on her channel. Can you imagine this comedy? They both block people on their channels who start owning them in debates. Let's just laugh at them loudly. ROFLMAO pfahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
JackSparrowDepp 6 days ago
Those to whom We gave the Scripture (Jews and Christians) recognise him (Muhammad SAW or the Ka'bah at Makkah) as they recongise their sons. But verily, a party of them conceal the truth while they know it - [i.e. the qualities of Muhammad SAW which are written in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)]. (En: Khan) The people of the Book know this as they know their own sons; but some of them conceal the truth which they themselves know. (En: Yusuf)
Kuch95 6 days ago
@Kuch95 This is faulty, both the NT and the torah were written almost 500yrs before the quran. It is a proud statement to suggest"those we gave the scriptures"Who does "we'suggest.Thats two gods.
TheYungapostle 5 days ago
Im talking to u @karezza6
zeldafan908 1 week ago
Are u sure about what ur saying cuz u are stupid to just say evil bad stuff about a religion that u dont know about and a prophet whom u have never learned about so i advise to just keep ur mouth shut about bad stuff
zeldafan908 1 week ago
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Mohammed was an evil terrorist paedophile.
Therefore all Muslims are evil terrorist paedophiles.
karezza6 1 week ago
سبحان الله دائما الحق يظهر
Sweetvola 1 week ago
"Science will win because it's useful"
HannoverFisk 1 week ago
Islam will survived .Extinction of Christian is began.My friend told me that he didnt go church for the rest of his life.Thats the first sign of extinction.We muslims always go to the mosque everyday including Friday.
adam200023 1 week ago
@adam200023 Wat does this mean? your english is hard to tell, i dont mean to offend u, just saying. R u saying u always going to mosque on fri is christians extinction?.
TheYungapostle 1 week ago
Christians too, has survived and has withstand in the most difficult situations by the Billions!
mr777davidben 1 week ago
In Acts 2 Peter said "Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know" and Phill 2 even says Jesus became a servant, ie he submitted himself to the will of God and then God's work manifested through Jesus, including the miracles. But Christians seem to worship the manifestations and not the true source of them...God.
molvicorleone 1 week ago
Hence is it fair to say God manifested in Jesus and God was worshipped through Jesus but Jesus himself is not God. Peter says in Acts 2 "Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know". Most Christians do not even understand this simple matter.
molvicorleone 1 week ago
@molvicorleone I believe that at least one of the wise men were from modern day iraq and one was black, im sorry our conversation has gone so far between him and me i dont know wat u r talking about.
TheYungapostle 1 week ago
@molvicorleone Jesus is god. An apostle asked:iwanna c god.jesus said'apostle after all this time i have been with u u still dont recognize my face, if u have seen me u have seen the father". When the jews are asked by pilate what this man is charged with(jesus)the say "he claimed he is god. Jesus thus is god and all any man can hope to be saved thru.
TheYungapostle 1 week ago
@TheYungapostle Therin lies the problem, this is your interpretation. It however contradicts 1) the monothiestic belief itself and 2) Jesus who said 'don't call me good, only God is good'. If you understood Abrahimic spirituality in itself you would understand what Jesus meant clearly. God was 'manifest' through him. It doesn't mean Jesus is 'God' but Jesus killed his own desires, submitted to God and let God do HIS Will, hence Luke 22:42.
molvicorleone 1 week ago
@molvicorleone I have read the bible many times over with the same questions to myself, is jesus god or son of god. And i have always come to the fact that jesus is god, PERIOD. The suffering servant is a verse of the process of god in human form, when u argue christs divinity u argue the promises truth, that in christ christians are saved thru the blood of the crucifixion. U r terribly flawed in this matter.
TheYungapostle 1 week ago
@TheYungapostle it doesn't matter to me what you say, how you interpret the book is according to your own understanding. I believe what all the Prophets taught. I read the bible in order to understand the mindset of the Prophets of Israel which includes Jesus. I found the main reason for this Christian problem is due to the concept of LOGOS. I do not strictly consider the LOGOS as GOD but as God's Expression.
molvicorleone 1 week ago
@molvicorleone and as such, it goes without saying, the LOGOS is transparent, as in like a 'prism' and such it is called 'The only begotten Son'. You seem unable to comprehend these truths but I've remained impartial and have studied the religions in depth to know this concept (the logos) was more a philosophical idea of the nature of reality and thus, comes down to perspective. A monothiestic perspective, you clearly do not posess, hence you're no follow of Abraham.
molvicorleone 1 week ago
@TheYungapostle In Isaiah 53 Jesus is prophecied as the 'the suffering SERVANT' and Isaiah says "Yet it was the LORD’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer"
Remember this, Gods Will. What do you think Islam means? Submission to the Will of God.
molvicorleone 1 week ago
@AbuAbdullahAsSalafi 'I call him god allmighty', him? it isn't a him or a she, it's not even god, it's an argument that can't be won.
You cannot prove, nor can we, but we don't CARE.
mrdanni 1 week ago
@abuabdullahassalafi And I cannot stress enough, that whether your Christian or Muslim, you learn by the book, which has stories without proof, it's absolute rubbish.
mrdanni 1 week ago
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TheIwanaloveyou 1 week ago
Sure, if you are muslim, be muslim. By all means bash Christians, and by all means Christians should bash muslims.
But as for us atheists, we allready have our place reserved in damnation... if so, so be it, leave us alone and stop trying to force your religeon upon us.
We do not believe in magical beings, that have never shown proof, NEVER, not ONCE.
We have BOOKS, it proves nothing, it is but a story, the quran, the bible, the same thing.
Religeon is FALSE.
mrdanni 1 week ago
@mrdanni Can I kindly ask you, if you were to be faced with a horrible catastrophe, for example a brake failure in a car you were travelling in, would you not at least say "Oh God, please save me"?
AbuAbdullahAsSalafi 1 week ago
@AbuAbdullahAsSalafi I'd be more likely to say "Fuuuuuuck!" and slam my fist on the dash-board.
That being said, lot's of people say 'oh my god' etc, it has no Religeous value, it's just a common phrase that has been used for a very very long time.
Your argument is rather weak.
mrdanni 1 week ago
@mrdanni OK fair enough that's your choice. That was not an argument, I was just testing your response. What would "Fuuuuuuck" actually mean in that situation? Would it help? Would those be your last words? Would you use that vulgarity in front of your children if they were with you?
AbuAbdullahAsSalafi 1 week ago
@mrdanni Also, I have to mention something. Do you believe in intelligent design without a Creator? Intelligence in the creation does not ever, ever, ever come by way of chance or mere coincidence. Has it ever? and have you witnessed it forming? Science is the Laws that have been put in place by God Almighty. Why do you think the reward for believing in The Lord, Unseen is so immense? Because it is hard and goes against the 'inner-self'.
AbuAbdullahAsSalafi 1 week ago
@mrdanni Do you believe in 'Nature'? I would like to know, thanks.
AbuAbdullahAsSalafi 1 week ago
@AbuAbdullahAsSalafi I don't believe in anything, I know of a term, 'Nature'. Which is a collection of entities and other'.
What are you trying to get at ?
mrdanni 1 week ago
@mrdanni I am trying to get at something which you will know in due time. So you do not believe in 'anything'? Which may or may not have created you? You do acknowledge that you exist, right?
AbuAbdullahAsSalafi 1 week ago
@mrdanni So do you know how you came about then? You do not attribute your creation to anyone? Did you create yourself then? You surely must believe something, let me know, thanks.
AbuAbdullahAsSalafi 1 week ago
@AbuAbdullahAsSalafi As I said that's the only thing WE ALL DON'T KNOW.
You can't just go 'my god made us' there is NO PROOF.
As for evolution or whatever, I'm pretty sure it's pretty much concrete, very much likely, but you deny that too.
Again, no religeous person can put fourth a worthy argument, you simply have nothing to go by.
mrdanni 1 week ago
@AbuAbdullahAsSalafi
Certain elements are required to give life, materials, of which every planet has unique sets. Earth just happened to have what is needed for life 'here' on earth and so the long stroll of evolution came, there was no God, not at all.
And the next question will be: How did the planets and everything the universe is, get here?
Still impossible to answer, however, resorting to 'god' is impossible. There is simply nothing, either side, to go by.
One seems illogical.
mrdanni 1 week ago
@mrdanni Are you implying then that Evolution is a force that 'creates'? or 'shapes'? Again, the argument now is of intelligent design. Can something be created by nothing? By the way, a complex process such as protein synthesis cannot occur without another protein molecule. So, life cannot exist without the existence of life. So someone or something created the life of creatures. I call Him God Almighty.
AbuAbdullahAsSalafi 1 week ago
@mrdanni If you believe that we do exist, in reality, then the 'One' or 'thing' which created us must have some attributes. I hope you agree with this. If you find that 'Evolution', 'Nature' or anything similar does not have even a single identifiable attribute then that thing does not exist. Agree? You are only familiar with 0.000000000000000000001% of the universe, or even less. Do you then negate all the rest of that? Deny when you are still unsure and not resolute about it?
AbuAbdullahAsSalafi 1 week ago
@AbuAbdullahAsSalafi Rubbish as we have recorded history that dates back thousands of years, of which is accurate, these 'prophets' and what not are FICTIONAL.
mrdanni 1 week ago
@mrdanni So when you do not possess every type of knowledge, nor have a map of the Universe and beyond, nor have experienced death and come back to life; how can you make a Judgement on the existence of God. You believe that planet Neptune exists on the accounts and reports of NASA and (I'm not saying you surely do) you believe the reports of the Media (run by the Illuminati, Rockerfellers and Bilderbergs) that all Muslims want world destruction and are terrorists, who support OBL?
AbuAbdullahAsSalafi 1 week ago
@mrdanni I hate Osama bin Laden, May he rot in Hell, Ameen. You see, it's about trust. I trust the men (Prophets & Messengers of God Almighty) who came hundreds of years apart all saying the same thing. "Worship the One True God, besides whom you have no diety worthy of worship in truth". They all came with One message, from God Almighty. We do not attribute weakness to Him, but an All-Powerful Command which He possesses.
AbuAbdullahAsSalafi 1 week ago
@AbuAbdullahAsSalafi He's never done anything in this world, not one miracle, nothing.
They carry the same message because it's in an ancient book.
+ they are fictional.
:/
mrdanni 1 week ago
@mrdanni Charles Darwin was not the one who came up with the idea of 'Evolution'. It was his Grandfather and from his book, Charles got some of his ideas. He was about 28 years old when he came up with this 'theory'. He was a known recluse and there are some known reports which I have read, which say he may have had Autism, looking at the patterns of behaviour he displayed. Anyway, what I mean to say is that this man did not know a thing about DNA, nor its complexity.
AbuAbdullahAsSalafi 1 week ago
@mrdanni The Origin of complex life cannot be something basic, can it? Something so small, such as the SAR11 bacteria consists of about 20 components within its cell membranes. If one motor or nucleic component fails the whole thing ceases to exist. So how can a cell regulate itself? DNA? Yes. But Who created that DNA and its tRNA and mRNA components? They did not and cannot give life to themselves. Someone commanded them to "BE". He is God Almighty. He is not to be negated.
AbuAbdullahAsSalafi 1 week ago
@AbuAbdullahAsSalafi For someone who is smart, you're pretty fucking dumb for serving a fictional character,
I bow for no man, and your 'god' can never punish me,
mrdanni 1 week ago
@mrdanni What pleasant language you have, thank you. I don't bow for no man either. I bow to the Almighty for myself, for my own success when all is 'done and dusted'.
AbuAbdullahAsSalafi 1 week ago
@mrdanni Anyway, nice talking to you. Have a nice day m8.
AbuAbdullahAsSalafi 1 week ago
@AbuAbdullahAsSalafi Right.
mrdanni 1 week ago
democracy is a blessing for all people through history its not perfect but better than all the nonsens you claim te be benificial of mankind
flugelcue 1 week ago
Let's try something new: there is no god. Let's state by being free of mental viruses called religions. Otherwise, why not believe in Zeus?
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SapianImp 1 week ago
La Ilahah Ila Allah Muhammadan Rasool Allah.
Just as the Qur'An says, there will be some people of the scripture speaking the truth, while some conceal it. "Some" is very important when mentioning the issues of mischief makers on earth.
ForgivingBeingFilms 1 week ago
No, humanism is the religion of the future.
SapianImp 1 week ago
@SapianImp Islam talks all about the right, lifestyle, death, resurrection, actions on earth, etc of human. Islam means submission to the One & Only true God, Whom created "Humanism" and all that exist.
ForgivingBeingFilms 1 week ago
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@ForgivingBeingFilms The creator is outside of existence, and must be in order for existence to be at all, but existence works on its own like a mechanism; there is no intervention or relevance in fearing Him or following worldly traditions. The religion of the future is a faithful understanding of the capacity in all sapient beings to pursue perfection and progress in all things, throwing away all tradition and unjust emotion. - Although your response has not yet technically contradicted this.
SapianImp 1 week ago
If Jesus was truly god, then who held up the universe when Jesus was dead?
ExtremeHDi 2 weeks ago
@ExtremeHDi
1) Jesus wasn't God, he was a man.
2) The mechanism of existence holds itself up.
SapianImp 1 week ago
Inshallah!
koolgoose2 2 weeks ago
TAKBIR!
NaturalRepublic 2 weeks ago
@NaturalRepublic ALLAH HU AKBAR! !!
koolgoose2 2 weeks ago 7
@Sudhish86 quran and the bible speak of the same god ofc but there is a huge difference and that is the bible say jesus is god and god is 3 , but in the quran god is one and only one so Mohammed didn't actually revised the bible he corrected it from corruption and the difference between god is one or god is three is beyond huge
systemisover 2 weeks ago 3
@systemisover.lol Mormans, JWs, and LDS believe the same thing of themselves. It's amazing how Jesus says he is the one who was to come and somehow that perverses the Bible...even though it is foretold everywhere in the OT. Jesus can't fulfill that yet someone else can? >_>
you intend to seek the same God, but, if you are a muslim, you ignore how even in the OT it is still about God's mercy on our hearts that is salvation, not us and our deeds being worthy.
Sudhish86 1 week ago
@Sudhish86 I'm sorry. You mentioned that we forget about how merciful God is.... Thats not true though. If you think about it, for being given life, for being able to do everything that we can do, those of us who can walk, talk, see, hear, and think with a mind that is well developed, is there any possible way that we can thank the one who gave us all of this enough? What about the ridiculous amount of things we do that are wrong? God's mercy is the only thing that gives hope of escaping hell.
BrisingerButterfly 1 week ago
@BrisingerButterfly, yes but, doctrinally speaking, the salvation is not found in the faith alone, but also the deeds. In Christianity, the salvation is inherently in the faith, while the obedience is supplimentary. This is self-evident if you consider that worship refers to that within ENTIRELY. Does a good employee necessarily do good deeds? or is he good because he understands his presence there is for the company and commits himself to it in his heart?
Sudhish86 1 week ago
@Sudhish86 But of course the employee has to do well at what he is told to do. What use is an employee who can't, or won't do anything? They would be fired. The employer isn't looking for someone who knows in his heart where he belongs. The employer is looking for someone who can do the job.
BrisingerButterfly 1 week ago
@BrisingerButterfly, let me reask it.
What kind of employees get promotions? Ones who work hard? rarely. Ones who percieve as the boss does and commit themselves to furthering the boss' aims? always.
Sudhish86 1 week ago
@Sudhish86 How can one be committed to furthering the boss' aims without working hard for that very goal? Its not possible to do so sitting in an office chair being content with the fact that you know what the boss wants, without actually doing what he want. Right?
BrisingerButterfly 1 week ago
@BrisingerButterfly, yes. But when both are present, which is more important in regards to his standing in the company?
Sudhish86 1 week ago
@Sudhish86 @Sudhish86 I'm sorry, both what exactly? I firmly believe that if you are dedicated to anything or anyone, you would try your best for it. Dedication without anything to show for it is hypocritical at best. Realistically speaking, you can't really separate the two. Why would someone work hard for something they aren't dedicated to? Why would the boss pay someone who says he wants to further said aims, but never does anything to further them? They become empty word at that point.
BrisingerButterfly 1 week ago
@systemisover Bible never says god is 3, that is a convenient misconception by muslim teachers to paint christians as believing in three gods, jesus id the only god.PERIOD.
TheYungapostle 1 week ago
@TheYungapostle Sorry, but then Jesus (Peace be upon him) had a mother (Mary, Peace be upon her). Correct?
AbuAbdullahAsSalafi 1 week ago
@AbuAbdullahAsSalafi So did God eat food? No, how can it be?
AbuAbdullahAsSalafi 1 week ago
@AbuAbdullahAsSalafi correct, but god took human form in emmanuel and every human needs a womb.The birth was the promise of redemption and oneness with god(jesus).
TheYungapostle 1 week ago
@TheYungapostle Why would God take a form which is so lowly? I mean humans defecate, vomit, rely on breastmilk, needs sexual intercourse, etc Do you understand what I am trying to imply?
AbuAbdullahAsSalafi 1 week ago
@AbuAbdullahAsSalafi Man is made in the image of god, thats why christian men dont cover there heads when they pray,your own muhammed did those things, u understand what i am trying to imply. How bout your book of muhammeds sayings and his life, why another book outside the quran when your quran is of Your allah.
TheYungapostle 1 week ago
@AbuAbdullahAsSalafi Correct god came born from a woman mary. Jesus is god in human form,thus emmanuel. He didnt say if u believe i am a prophet your sins will be forgiven rather believe"i am."
TheYungapostle 1 week ago
@TheYungapostle if Jesus is the only God then who is "the father" and "the Holy Ghost" that Christians believe in? how can he be "the son of God" and "God" at the same time? Why would he cry "my god my god why have you foresaken me" during crucifixion? that should read "myself myself why have i forsaken myself".
BannedMann 1 week ago
@BannedMann God is Jesus, one in the same. Son of God refers to God as christ when he came so that man might be given redemption and salvation. Holy Ghost is a gift from the lord to a believer.
TheYungapostle 1 week ago
@TheYungapostle so when Jesus (PBUH) was alive as a Human was he God then? if Yes, Why did he say "my god my god why have you foresaken me" and if no who was running the world while Jesus was just a human?
BannedMann 1 week ago
@BannedMann yes he was god, and the bible states the power that be are in control while i am still here,the romans. You should thank me for having this debate with u, since even facts u wont take, so u r really just being extremely rude with your antagonistic questions. Explain muhammeds wife aisha too me.
TheYungapostle 1 week ago
@TheYungapostle i'm not being rude you're not making any sense. if Jesus (PBUH) himself was God at the time he was a human 1. how could he get killed 2. why would he say "my god my god why have you foresaken me" is he talking to himself or is he praying to someone else? you try to fireback by asking about 7th century marriages while applying 21st century values to it? do you think in the 35th century people will have the same values as us in 21st century?
BannedMann 1 week ago
@BannedMann when i first heard what i am suggesting to u, i even tried to rationalize it, i said to myself in the 16 and 17th centries british people and people in europe married 15 and 16,never 9.
TheYungapostle 1 week ago
@TheYungapostle by the way the age of aisha is not confirmed. Sunnis say she was 9 shia say she was 21 both giving some evidence. but even if she was 9, ITS THE 7TH CENTURY DESERT.
BannedMann 1 week ago
@BannedMann scholars all over say she was 6 or 9. And your concious agree with that?, cause mine dont. and no time period ever married that young. "even if she was?" thats terrible. 21 is way out.
TheYungapostle 1 week ago
@TheYungapostle no Shia scholars say she was 21 her age is not confirmed. marrying a 9 year old in the 21st century is not right our standards changed since the 7TH CENTURY DESERT.
BannedMann 1 week ago
@BannedMann 2 the best of my knowledge ive been honest with u,but when faced with a tough question u say they say as high as 21, i know this is not a right #,even muslims say 6-10yrs old.
TheYungapostle 1 week ago
@TheYungapostle her age is completely unconfirmed. lets say she was definitely 9, that was normal amongst BEDOUINS IN THE 7TH CENTURY stop comparing it to New York 21st century.
BannedMann 1 week ago
@BannedMann i could compare it to 1460, any yr. Think about wat comes with marriage then that she is 9.wrong.That was not common in bedouin 7th century,there were good people there and then too.
TheYungapostle 1 week ago
@TheYungapostle it was NORMAL amongst bedouins in the 7th century as soon as you hit puberty you're eligible for marriage. today an 18 year old CAN marry a 100 year- the new standards
BannedMann 1 week ago
@BannedMann But where do girls hit puberty at those ages though?. And yes at 18 a girl is legal in the USA. That normal explanation is Bull crap.
TheYungapostle 1 week ago
@TheYungapostle and do you think in the 35th century people won't look back at us and look down on some of our standards that they rightfully will change? you can marry a girl at any age in 7th century standards but you cannot engage in intercourse until she hits puberty. its not NORMAL to us but it was NORMAL to the 7th century bedouins the sooner you understand that standards and values change in between time and culture, the easier this will be....
BannedMann 1 week ago
@BannedMann now u suggest he never had intercourse with her til her puberty, which can start at 14. and thats still young. Your goin on the defensive tells me u feel u have to defend it so its wrong.
TheYungapostle 1 week ago
@TheYungapostle "which can start at 14" or younger. It is documented in the same documents that you are using to prove she was 9 when she was married that the prophet did not engage in sexual intercourse with her till she hit puberty. so why believe half of the document and ignore the other half? and i'll say it again its wrong in today's standards but was normal to them in the 7th century, is this difficult?
BannedMann 1 week ago
@BannedMann You have never heard once that he had no sexual relations with her at that age, and u went from 21 to the 9 i said at first even though u tried to deny it. Cite the document?im goin on common knowledge of the prophet as it was originally written of his wife aisha. How bout the satanic verses, why would a man of god be connected with satanic verses.
TheYungapostle 1 week ago
@TheYungapostle i didn't try to deny it i said her age is not confirmed the dispute on her age ranges from 6 to 21. Then i said lets say she was definitely 9 even though there is NOWAY to be 100% sure of it. Even then it was normal to their standards in the 7th century desert.
There are no satanic verses in the Quran, Christians with low self-esteem like you make a lot of crap up like "Allah is a moon God" and all other rediculous claims to convince yourself that you are right.
BannedMann 1 week ago
@BannedMann U make it so some1 cant be polite to u and let u say the truth, u non truth teller. Aisha age is a definite 6-9 and the satanic verses r very real, thats why at a later point they were retracted and even said to never have existed. Of course u would say there made up, they dont fit your regular routine and cant b lied away.
TheYungapostle 1 week ago
@TheYungapostle I'm not even being rude you're very touchy. you're arguments against Islam so far are nothing but hot air. this is what you've argued so far: "Islam is not the truth because your prophet didn't live by 21st century standards", "islam is not the truth because i heared someone talk about Satanic verses that are not in the Quran and you don't believe in" doesn't that sound pathetic to you too?
BannedMann 1 week ago
@BannedMann The way u attempt to coordinate and shape our debate is shameful and rude. This here isnt for u too give me a rundown on what u believe, and for me to defend wat i believe, even at its best it must go 50/50. U started out trying to discredit a claim on christs divinity, when i explain u say i dont explain right, i ask u questions i have and u say my questions are hog wash and arent even accurate. So now i say to u, your questions arent accurate and my defense will jus be: NOT true.
TheYungapostle 1 week ago
@TheYungapostle if a person doesn't shape or coordinate a debate we could be talking about pinapples in a few responses. you were not asking questions because i don't know how many times i had to mention that applying 21st century standards to the 7th century desert is not a fruitful conversation to have.
Speaking of fruitful Pinapples are my favourite fruit.
but seriously if you have any serious questions to ask then go ahead but enough with the bullcrap.
BannedMann 1 week ago
@BannedMann The way u were ghoin about answer questions is wat i mean, for exp. say u were to ask me where jesus was from because u were looking to scripture to determine his divinity(keep in mind at this point u dont believe in his divinity), and i simply say to u:"oh, GOD" god is from Heaven. This is the type of coordinated approach u wish to box this conversation up in. In my country only politician approach 'debates' this way. If i wer fair with u wen u asked were jesus wasFrom i saBethlehem
TheYungapostle 1 week ago
@TheYungapostle i didn't ask where was Jesus from. my first message addressed to you was regarding the "only Jesus is God" which you said. i said if Jesus (the son) is the only God then who is the father and the holy ghost. at this point you were already complaining about my rudeness and that i should consider myself lucky you're debating me. Then, YOUR questions to me were fruitless and i grew impatiant with repeating the same simple answer.
BannedMann 1 week ago
@BannedMann Oh two times is enough to exhaust your patience?. Jesus is the father and the son, God in human form, given that i've given u examples i trust i dont have to again. The holy spirit is a gift that comes from taking christ as your personal saviour, and not a god in itself. The last exp. i gave was an example of your agenda, a quick reason for nobody to suffer thru "debate' with u, a debate cannot be continually asking with recieved answers.
TheYungapostle 1 week ago
@TheYungapostle TWO TIMES??? go back through our conversation and look at how many times i had to reminde you the 7th century is not the 21st century. Its a simple answer that i don't need to go into detail for. if you asked what 1+1 is I could either say 2 or i could ramble on about the origin of numbers. simple questions get simple answers and don't be surprised if people lose their patience when you make them repeat the same simple answer over and over again.
BannedMann 1 week ago
@BannedMann Right from that 7th century comment i realized u couldnt be expected for solid answers,and thats the truth. Aisha was 6-9 yrs.old and u know it, dont use 7th century as excuse.
TheYungapostle 1 week ago
@BannedMann You cant be trusted for a solid answer, only one that suits your pre determined answers. While all my answers r clear, and besides your refusal to take da truth,when i ask u say 7TH CNTRY
TheYungapostle 1 week ago
@TheYungapostle your answers are clear? nice joke. you are as confusing, contradictory and inconsistent as the trinity. you don't accept answers because you have no confidence in your religion and the only way to convince yourself you are right is by attacking other religions on pathetic and unimportant gossip. As i have already said your arguments against islam are nothing but hot air.
BannedMann 1 week ago
@BannedMann I wont attemp to explain the trinity 2 u, cause i already have. There is truly no compulsion in christianity, only 2 attack something, i do feel u should understand wat u attack...and since u ask me of the trinity,your question makes your guilt crystal clear. I wont judge u though, good day to u sir.Peace.
TheYungapostle 1 week ago
@TheYungapostle i never even attacked, its been you attacking based on mindless gossip and my last message was not a question. you have a good day too, peace.
BannedMann 1 week ago
@BannedMann And i would imagine people in that century would say i cant blieve there was pedophilia still in those days. Or good ways to recycle waste.
TheYungapostle 1 week ago
@BannedMann I'll explain how Jesus can be God, and still rule the universe. Can we agree that God is infinite? If God poured His infinite being into a vessel (like a human body-Jesus) there would still be the infinite God ruling in heaven, by defintion of infinite. In Phillipians 2:6 it explains how Jesus was God, but that when in human form he subtracted certain qualities, which is why He was able to pray to the Father in Heaven, and why Jesus wasn't omnipresent for example.
KurtCobain198666 1 week ago
@KurtCobain198666 Thank you. At least that makes some sense without constant contradictions. but aren't we all vessels? and God gave us all souls? why worship a vessel?
BannedMann 1 week ago
@BannedMann I'm going to message you because YT is playing up.
KurtCobain198666 1 week ago
@KurtCobain198666 you'll need to add me as contact for a reply :).
BannedMann 1 week ago
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KurtCobain198666 1 week ago
@TheYungapostle both you and the muslim guy do not understand the truth of the matter. You both seem like literalists. First you should study the concept of LOGOS. Logos, is un all of us, as in we are all 1 eternal spirit. This concept was with the greeks before the jew, the greeks took it from persia, persians took it from India. Logos is the Universal Consciousness, it is God's Eternal expression..
molvicorleone 1 week ago
@molvicorleone In the U.S we call u hippy liberals, christ is the one true god and we are not all the same. Salvation is for those that take christ.
TheYungapostle 1 week ago
@molvicorleone If i were a literalist i might say that jesus was the son only. However when the angel came to john, he said u will bring many people back to there god, who did john make way for as elijah?Jesus. Emmanuel means"god is with us". The jews when layin an accusation against pilate for jesus's crucifixion said straight out:"he claimed to b God." It also says in many scriptures that jesus had the spirit of god in him, not physically, spiritually. He is god, the father and the son.
TheYungapostle 1 week ago
@TheYungapostle You've just added 2+2 to get 10. The 'jews' didn't say.....why don't you be more specific, which jews? the pharisees accepted Jesus deep down, it was the Sadducees who rejected him and these guys were indeed literalists. So it isn't so much what Jesus claimed but how they perceived his message, the only difference is they rejected it. I accepted the same teachings you did but I interpreted them differently and my version conforms withabrahimic monothiesm.
molvicorleone 1 week ago
@molvicorleone Listen its the pharisees that devise the plan to have jesus killed and its the sadduccees chief priest that initially defends him,saying"since when do we execute a man without a trial?"
TheYungapostle 1 week ago
@TheYungapostle e.g 'god is with us' doesn't make Jesus into God, it means God is manifest through Jesus and what is wrong with this belief? nothing. Plenty of evidences for this. Whereas when YOU claim he is God then you contradict far too many texts about Jesus, even Acts 2 (what peter said about Jesus). You can kid yourself but not me.
molvicorleone 1 week ago
@molvicorleone Even the jews of both sides knew jesus was god,There is a passage of an apostle asking2 c god, jesus replies,Apostle after all this time with me u still dont recognize me?.luk1:16-17Try
TheYungapostle 1 week ago
@molvicorleone these r 2 few letters, please use PM.
TheYungapostle 1 week ago
@molvicorleone When u say god is manifest thru jesus u r saying wat im saying. jesus is god in human form, there r countless verses for this. explain the name emmanuel, why didnt the angel say and he shall call him(Gods SON is with us). Check luke 1:16-17/luke5:1/luke9:2/luke9:61-62/luke17:11-19.
TheYungapostle 1 week ago
@TheYungapostle No, we're not saying the same thing. The prism cannot be mistaken for the light..yet it is through the prism the light is made known. That prism is the Logos, through which God is manifest. Jesus was the Logos made flesh. This understanding explains things clearly. If you're an honest man, you'll actually try reading the bible with this understanding and see if it makes sense. e.g Acts 2:22
molvicorleone 1 week ago
@molvicorleone You use the logos like the jehovah witnesses do, check john1:1"And the word was God". Period.
TheYungapostle 1 week ago
@TheYungapostle as for the texts you mentioned. Did it ever occur to you that perhaps, it's because John the Baptist was a prophet of God and Prophets are men who's sole job it is to turn their people, towards God? and it is Jesus who said 'why do you call me good, only God is good'. By all means, ignore this bit, Christians usually do and it's why muslim like me just roll our eyes at your lack of understanding despite the simplicity of the matter.
molvicorleone 1 week ago
@molvicorleone Every muslim wont except what it is Gods promise was in his crucifixion as christ, In him sins died so that a man could by jesus's blood b saved once in for all, read john1:1.The word.
TheYungapostle 1 week ago
@TheYungapostle you're just a clueless romanised pagan Christian, not a true one.
molvicorleone 1 week ago
@molvicorleone U r similar to the disciple thomas and so is your religion, read john20:24-29. This verse is u. Best of luck to u.Peace.
TheYungapostle 1 week ago
@TheYungapostle if I was going to worship man-gods I would return to Hinduism, the religion of my ancestors. The whole 'point' of the Abrahimic religion taught by the Prophets was to worship God alone. Where it concerns someone like Jesus it is still better to have a more enlightened perspective and like Paul said 'to the pure, all things are Holy'. The pure see the signs of God in all things yet they do not worship all things, their mind is concentrated on God alone...
molvicorleone 1 week ago
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@TheYungapostle if I was going to worship man-gods I would return to Hinduism, the religion of my ancestors. The whole 'point' of the Abrahimic religion taught by the Prophets was to worship God alone. Where it concerns someone like Jesus it is still better to have a more enlightened perspective and like Paul said 'to the pure, all things are Holy'. The pure see the signs of God in all things yet they do not worship all things, their mind is concentrated on God alone...
molvicorleone 1 week ago