Health Care Measure Passes Key Senate Hurdle

[hadenufnow]

hey you publicans better hurry up an hide yo money cuz i know this dude that picks yo pocket and makes you think you like it man...it you cant hang onto your own money , you dont deserve to have it man...chumps..

[CriticalTh1nker]

All the more reason to show support for the Enumerated Powers Act; An act that if ever made law, would not only force Congress to confine their legislations to the 20 Enumerated Functions outlined in the Constitution - but would force them to show how any proposed legislation fits withing those guidelines. They are clearly overstepping their bounds again; and not for nothing but...They hurry a bill through during Christmas recess? They did the same shit in 1913 with the Federal Reserve Act.

[wolfpackjudo]

Like thieves in the night... they came... they stole from us... taxes now... no benefits for 4 years. To bad the country is not more like Texas. At least there you can shoot a thief for stealing from you.

[hadenufnow]

REPEAL the TAX & JAIL mandate bill nobody ever wanted..

[hadenufnow]

The compromise option is WORSE & more Intrusive than the original pile of CRAP! 2300 Pages of Fees, Taxes, Mandates, Lies, Intrusion, Penalty BIll..

What a pile of fools!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hadenufnow]

2300 pages of forced participation, mandates, fines, fees, restrictions, penalties, taxes, hurdles & freakish language that will ensure you pay for a high priced lawyer just to do your taxes & to make sure you do not miss any steps or find yourself in JAIL or the poorhouse.....

Sounds good to me.. Where do I sign up?...

I got about a half million in medical problems just waiting for this kind of thing as I know money does grow on trees and the Dems are with me on paying for me....

[AgnesBojaxhiu2000]

the wsj-foxnews-rushie ECONOMIC FREEFALL neocons is the obstruction politico of NO ... the manson i mean murdoch family (bod & largest shareholder) are led by foreigners mostly from australia & rupert's wife's born in chicom Xuzhou ... take the post office i mean health care ... the public option costs 1/3 that of fedex & ups ... so ups & fedex save & use the po where service is the same & costs are much less ... the mansons & chicoms hate the public option ... join the fox news sponsor boycott

[goldsilverandiamonds]

This bill will punish the poor and middle class by FORCING THEM to have to pay for insurance! If your do not have coverage the Government can take it out of your pay and or punish you with JAIL TIME!! Jail for not having mandatory government madated insurance !!!! This is a TAX on all , while reducing your choices and freedoms as Americans it is also UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!!!!!! Who wins BIG GREEDY GOVERNMENT AND LARGE CORPORATIONS WHO PROFIT BIG OFF YOUR NEW LOSS OF RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS.

[skinnym974]

goldsilverandiamonds: I have read this a few times from comments but I am still looking in locating in the bill where this is factual rather than fictional. Could you please indicate where in the bill this is stated as fact?

[goldsilverandiamonds]

Skinny - You can find this in section 7201 u.s. code collection title 26, subtitle F chapter 75, subchapeter A, part I -attempt to evade of defeat Tax"Felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to 250,000.00 and or imprisonment of up to 5 years" also see section 7203. This information is very easy to find if you look for it. The Polsi health care mandate allows for fines and jail time if you do not purchase MANDATORY insurance. Evasion of this will result in jail time or huge fines

[skinnym974]

goldsilverandiamonds: Thanks for your pointer. I have the initial bill and could not find it. I will get a copy of the most recent bill (on the senate floor) and get back to you.

[skinnym974]

goldsilverandiamonds: There is no section 7201 or 7203 in H.R. 3962. It ends at 3101 in the house version (then follows amendments). I searched for the word "felony" in the entire bill and the only thing I could find relates to communication of private information. What did you look for? Another bill perhaps?

[goldsilverandiamonds]

Skinny, because the insurance is MANDATORY the Pelosi bill which levies a TAX of 2.5% of YOUR income if you cannot prove your insured has left in criminal and civil penalties if you and your family cannot afford the premium.The sections mentiond are in U.S. (tax codes)code of collection which covers" ANY willful attempts in ANY manner to evade or defeat ANY TAX".Think of all the homeless and single mother's and minority groups, who could see jail time and fines due to our GREEDY GOVERNMENT!

[skinnym974]

goldsilver&: Your answers are confusing. I asked where in the bill you saw the insurance is mandatory for everyone and you cited passage of a bill ... but not the health care bill (rather the tax code).

[skinnym974]

goldsilver&: I did my homework; for not having coverage a 2.5% of your modified income - what is defined as sec 6012a (famous formula of "taxable amount") would apply. Homeless are not taxable (your example is mute).Exemption section X-cludes groups (religious, aliens, etc...) and there is another specific about no tax for dependent (so your single mother example may be affected too).

Remains as fact: 2.5% tax for people who are taxable and "willingly" refuse to take even a base plan.

[goldsilverandiamonds]

Skinny- this is a mandatory tax on all who are not covered.Tax law is not overridenin this health care bill. Tax code is very clear who is in violation,willing or unwilling! You may not have noticed but Obama's economic plans are creating a glut of homeless employed men and women, call your nearest homeless shelter to verify this.This is not a FREE health care plan everyone MUST pay regardless of situation.This plan expands GREEDY GOVERNMENTand corporate profits at the threat of jail time&fines!

[skinnym974]

goldsilver&: I have to come to the conclusion you who have not read the bill. There is a definition of "willingly", paragraph concerning no penalties to employers who did not know they had to offer the basic plan, an exact definition of to what the 2.5% applies to; homeless dont have any adjusted income would not fit ... and you are threading and going into your own fears and interpretations. I think we are done. Thanks for indirectly forcing me to read the bill by providing off-topic answers.

[goldsilverandiamonds]

Skinny-this bill weighs over 19 lbs,is 8.25" thick and has over1990 pages.I doubt anyone has fully read and understood this MASSIVE BILL including the Senate, Congress and President. You can be homeless and taxable!This bill does not override U.S. Tax law, you seem to be confused about this.The law is clear on willing or not,avoidance of paying taxes.PAY OR GO TO JAIL/FINED! This applies to individuals and employers! Search"health care bill jail time" and health care bill tax law for more info.

[skinnym974]

goldsilv: weight, size and number of pages can be found in lies spread by politicians focused on killing the bill rather than working on making it a good one. So, I am not impressed here. Same for your previous quote and sideways answer related to the tax code (I found it, realizing it was NOT in the health bill, by google ... and saw the claims exactly made as yours). 2nd: your claim of homeless paying tax makes little sense. No revenue = no tax. You know that, I do not understand the repeat.

[goldsilverandiamonds]

Skinny- The size of this bill is real and so is what I said, look it up. Do you really think anyone has fully read and understood this MASSIVE freedom taking and TAX increasing bill? The majority of America does not want this bill passed and are against it public sentiment should clearly make it evident THIS IS NOT A GOOD BILL! TAX code is very important because it affects a person's right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. It can take away your rights a by jailing and or fining ANYONE.

[skinnym974]

goldsilver: I certainly hope the senators and elected (for doing that job) representatives have read the bill. I do not expect (no) all citizen to read the bill as I did (the language is tricky, close to 2k pages). And when elected rep.claim they have not seen the bill while I can find it, and instead of working on making it better organize tea-parties I would say: stop voting for them - they told you the level of their incompetence or lack of integrity.

[jfdhjgdh2010]

listen republicons..conspiracy theorists..you see the title eh..give it up. its moving. 8 years of obama. deal with it bitches.

OBAMA 2012

[jimpodi]

the plan doesn't even start until 5 years later. what a joke! to all the people who defend this plan, please re-read your US constitution: Article I Section 8. i see nothing that gives the right of govt to mandate that people get health care.

[skinnym974]

@jimpodi : this is why it is not a mandate but a choice (and option). However, there is in my understanding some wording of inciting  employers to provide "something".

[jimpodi]

i can see u haven't read the bill. obama requires that everyone carries health insurance (with or without the public option). if you don't have insurance, you will be fined or "taxed". and yes, employers are mandated to provide some type of coverage to their employees. if they don't, they will be taxed 8%. they will probably take that out of their employees' wages.

[skinnym974]

jimpodi: since you seem so affirmative and suggests you have read the bill yourself, could you please indicate the titles, subsections or sections you have read this? I can see things in section 2 about a requirement for a basic plan but did not succeed in finding the part on individuals forced to take coverage ... WOuld you help me find it??

[samkurz]

You want proof. Ok here's some proof. My 55 year old

sister's company change her health care to only cover

her for $1500 a year. So how far wil 1500 get you. My son died because he had not health insurance. I have several

woman friends that can't get coverage because they have

prexisting conditions. They know people in the same boat.

My insurance will raise next year to 700 a month for one

person or they will probably be denied.

[samkurz]

It sounds like the bill will be so watered down it

will probably be better to not have one. Then

when the republians will have blood on their hands.

I will remember every senator that failed to hear the

sick and uninsured. They will go down in history

[geofiles]

As of November 23, 2009, support for health care reform has dropped to its lowest level ever. Just 38% of the public supports the Democrat's efforts to nationalize the health care system.

[skinnym974]

geofiles: In the details of the last IPsos poll, 52% of the Americans (against 36%) are for a public option. That number has not changed. The people opposing the bill as it stands think the bill goes too far (66%) and those supporting it thinks it goes far enough (78%). Finally, while the votes are split on a partisan line, the choice of having a non-government run insurance co-operatives is unilaterally supported. I guess the work to be done should be clear.

[goldsilverandiamonds]

Vote out all the back stabbing politicians who have and will support this bill! This bill is further bankrupting America and reducing the rights and freedoms we have as American's.The greedy governemt officials have bought votes to pass this in the Senate and are no longer listening to the majority of the people of America who do not want this bill passed. Find out who supports this bill and make sure you vote them out next election, blacklist these traitors make sure they lose there jobs!

[samkurz]

You lets see. Let's do the republican health care

program. So far they have murdered millions

of people because they love the greedy insurance companies.

They have done nothing for years. Move over assh.....

the Democrates are taking not names and kicking your

butt

[Diezelraccoon]

how about presenting actual facts and documents of the so called millions they murdered asshole, oh wait, cause they havent and you have no proof. As i have said before, if a insurance company refused to pay for something you can take it to court and most likely win. what you gonna do when the government wont cover something you need, take it to court? oh wait, sorry they are the court.

[Momsincharge]

That excuse used to "get it right" before voting the bill into law is nothing but unpackaged fertalizer!

This group passed the CPSIA in August 2008 and their agency, the CPSC, is still defining how it will work.

Quit the excuses, just pass it. and work out the kinks.

These goons would rather spend money on wars in other lands than fixing the Health Care Mess here.

There are several other messes that they haven't gotten around to fixing either, Immigration and fair Taxes to start.

[geofiles]

Wake Up America. . . Think about all the reasons they said for needing to rush this health care through passage. Especially the need to save lives. They are lying, for it will not take affect for over three years. Obama and the other Democrats dont care about you or saving lives over the fact they want to enact the coverage after the next Presidential election.

[medartist01]

Diezeldick's the kind of fool who think that the current US health care system doesn't have waiting times in doctors offices. WTF? Has he ever been to an MD? Trailer trash like him visits the ER. That's too expensive moron. The US system already rations care, because insurance companies tell you what they won't cover, and what permissions you need to get basic care. It costs too much to get sick in the US, even with our inadequate coverage. Let's debate reality, and not fantasies of ignoramus's.

[mtb416]

Reality is the fact that MediCare denies more claims than ANY insurance company. What do you expect, it is the government. They could not give two shits about you or me.

I'm glad to see that support for the Democrats healthcare plans have dropped to an all time low, only 38% supporting it, with 56% opposing.

Funny thing is the Republicans do not have to even do anything, the bill is so bad it shoots itself in the foot.

You're the ignoramus who actually thinks the government is benevolent.

[Diezelraccoon]

hey am i saying all insurance companies are good? no, but if your insurance companies denies to pay for something they should, you can take it to court and most likely win. What are you going to do when the government wont pay for something you need, take it to court? oh wait, they ARE the court dumb shit. Keep feeding yourself that liberal bullshit all you want. You assholes are freaking out so much cause people in America are waking up to your bullshit

[medartist01]

Diezelbrain is beyond hilarious. A buffoon who says that torture is OK? Not even considering the mortal danger to our men and women in uniform, that comes when we shred the US Constitution and the UN laws against torture. My god, these McVey types are trippin out of their trailer homes and threatening everyone. Our meth problem has clearly gotten out of hand with the likes of Moron-in-Chief, Diezelbreath. This guy is actually telling women he wants to control their bodies. What a sicko. Psycho.

[mtb416]

As for your racist rant about "trailer trash", I am will to bet that the overall number of minorities receiving free ER care is larger than that of whites. This is certainly so when dealing with rates and proportions.

I'm not blaming anyone, just stating the facts. You seem like just another sheep suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome. Obama is now at the helm of this country, and he is doing a very, very poor job.

[Diezelraccoon]

If a women is proven to have serious issues by giving birth or if a women was rapped i can understand an abortion, but to just kill a innocent baby cause a mom says oh its a boy i want a girl is PSYCHO. Maybe the women shouldnt get fucked then and DEAL with what ever she is given you sick ASSHOLE. Sick ass liberal, you people never have facts

[Diezelraccoon]

WAKE UP AMERICA. Do you honestly think the Government is going to give you everything and pay for whatever treatment you may need? NO, this is not about health care, this is about government control of our lifes, its all about power. STAND up America, dont you see whats happening? Do you want our country to be a socialist government run country like everyone else? STAND UP, vote all those greedy mother fuckers out of office

[dmana3172]

I'm so glad the Senate voted, and I'm so proud to be a liberal. It's very good to have the Government to pay for our health care so we don't have to pay too much for it. Praise God! Thanks you Jesus! O:-)

[Diezelraccoon]

if you dont like America then get the hell out. When you get some bad illness or disease and you need to see a doctor then are made to wait a long period of time and by then its to late, lets see what you say then. This is about nothing more than government control. If you want health care, get off your ass, get a job and go pay for it. Are some private insurance companies perfect? no, but if thats the issue then focus on that, not taking it away from people like me

[AppleFiend24]

health care has super monkey aids!!!!!1

[1911arthur]

The Republicans have now been exposed as corporate whores for Blue Cross. They voted to kill 44,000 Americans this year just because they are poor but will sell your job overseas or pimp their own mothers for an extra nickel in profit.

Sick dogs is what they've become. The greedy always lose in the end.

[JimboVids]

@1911arthur

Name one of those 44,000 people that you claim Republicans "voted to kill." You extremist fuck stain, only a tiny handfull of retards would ever buy into your whacko bullshit.

[farfegnugens]

BULLSHIT

[mockingarab]

I think the senate and house of reps should be computerized, who needs piles of paper anymore? That's how I see it in the future.

[ocerg1111]

youre getting "everything free from the government?" really?? I want that, Ryen1992! tell me who to talk to for my cars, houses, boats, and everything!! Oh wait....that doesnt exist.

[1911arthur]

You pay medicare premiums out of your check.

This bill is great as it only takes 7% or $7.00 per hundered you earn, out of your paycheck when you work if your job has no coverage,so you can have health insurance. If you are laid off, it's stays in force for free. A good plan that is inexpensive like medicare but does the job. Blue Cross would charge you 10 times that amount for crap insurance!

The government can do it as Blue Cross uses 30% of premiums for admin costs. Government only uses 2.9

[jjrglobal]

@1911arthur

Good thing it stays in effect if you get laid off, because you will get laid off.

This bill is nothing but a power and money grab by the federal government and will kill any chance we may have had at economic recovery. The burden placed on businesses of all size will ensure higher unemployment and more pain and suffering for all, except the lowest of the low that have never even had a job. Their lives will be the only ones seeing any improvement. Thanks Obama and Democrats

[1911arthur]

Now that it will pass, we need them to refine it to a government single payer system and end the greedy corporate whores who have ripped of Americans for decades now with their overpriced crap of insurance.

We need medicare for all so everyone is covered!

End Blue Cross whoredom,NOW!

[ryen1992]

I agree with U Why should I work when I can get everything FREE LIKE U from the goverment, thats the best news of the day.

[stretch34318]

Landrieu was paid off, there is an amendment to give "natural disaster stricken" areas medicaid assistance. Louisiana gets 200 million, Mississippi gets 0, Texas gets 0.

Her vote was bought and paid for.

[h8tebred]

I would not trust anything that comes out of Chris Dodd's mouth. If my taxes go up, someone's going to be unhappy.

[bpknapp63]

A vote this significant that resulted in only a "party line" vote is a repudiation of this health care "reform."

If 100% of republicans voted against this health care bill, then maybe it's time to start over.

Why? Healthcare represents approx. 16% of our G.D.P.. That's significant. If we are to "reform" that much of our economy, then there needs to be support from both political parties.

It's just that simple.

[Kitswain59]

God help us! NaziCare means no healthcare at all.  You could be denied medications, tests, surgery, etc. Don't want it? Get fined and go to jail. Yes, it's in there. If this passes, the government can decide when you die. Our government is not American anymore.

[skinnym974]

Kitswain59: Could you please quote the passage where it says that the government can decided when you die??? I am curious ...

[Kitswain59]

I didn't bookmark the pages, but from my research in the last months, bureaucrats will decide. They have just announced that women don't need mammograms until the age of 50, and to them, pap smears aren't that important, either. I will send you info when I come across it. Ask for a friend request, so I have you on my page.

watch this about fines & imprisonment youtube com/watch?v=xHDvDeZy8PI

[skinnym974]

Kitswain59: the mammogram story is more complicated and besides, it is not a mandate or a law but a guidance. The main findings were that there is no correlation (unfortunately) between frequent screening and chances to actually get a cancer cured (bad news for women; mammograms may not be the proper screening solution). The decision remains between women and doctors so I do not see how this has become an example of "bureaucrats decide". See the NYT article 2009/11/20/opinion/20fri1.html ...

[ryen1992]

PLEASE talk to a Doctor and ask Him, medicare is doing it Now, i know someone with Cerebral Palsy and Medicare will not pay for Him if He went to the hospital.

I have 3 Doctors in the Family and they All say that Goverment Run Health Care will lead to Rationing of Health Care.

Here is one example of goverment, H1N1 their is NOT enough Flue shots to be given out so if U are 65yo or Older U CAN NOT get the H1N1 according from the CDC.

Please Think before its to late.

[skinnym974]

ryen1992: There are multiple reasons for no having H1N1 flu shots amongst which (a) late fund and support (b) difficulty to manufacture the vaccine [one egg produces 02 to 0.5 doze of vaccine instead of 2 to 5 for regular flu]. This is a risk with slowly deciding and partisan politicians in the making of support and the uncertainty of a new disease. At the end, not enough means priorities on who gets it (tough but propose a better solution if you have one).

[jjrglobal]

@skinny974

Do you think that the government is going to keep you on life support forever when they're fitting the bill? Month after month hundreds of thousands every month. It will be absolutely necessary for the government to set guidelines on the conditions to pull the plug, otherwise they will most certainly go broke. The gov will have to make these choices instead of the family, any rational forward thinking person, which you obviously are not, can see where this will lead.

[skinnym974]

jjrglobal: God no! I hope the government or even my family will NOT keep me on life support forever ... Besides, my understanding is that the public plan is not for providing luxury care but an option to provide basic care when none are provided. Examples seem to emerge with the free clinic exercise across the country where advanced diabetic or near cardiac arrest patients are diagnosed for the first time. Taken earlier, it would save lives now lost.

[jjrglobal]

What is luxury care? Considering the public option will destroy private insurance it will soon become the only option, does this mean everyone will receive basic care and no one will get what you call "luxury" care? I think it does. Everyone will receive the same care and it will all be shitty, but it will be equal, the socialists way!! I dont understand your emerging examples of diabetics or heart attack patients being seen at free clinics, how does that fit in to government run health care?

[skinnym974]

jjrglobal: title 2 of the bill clearly states the need for a basic plan and describes the "enhanced plan" and "premium plan". All insurance companies have several levels of coverage. Nothing new here apart from the basic plan. The difference is what is being reimbursed and at what level. Example: will I be allowed for a basic frame+glass when looking for glasses or fully covered Lassik surgery? Will my prescription for heart burn be covered at 5$ a pill (each cost 50$) or less?or more?

[jjrglobal]

I'm fairly sure I know how insurance plans and reimbursement works, Im CFO of my wifes children's clinic.

[skinnym974]

jjrglobal: Then I did not understand your question or you did not understand my pointer to "luxury care". Hopefully, all is cleared and we can agree we are not all receiving the same care. A question is shall the people with no care at all be afforded one? I would think yes myself as cost for "emergencies" typically exceeds the cost of regular screening and prevention (the diabetic and heart attack earlier ref). Another question is shall the "public option" be run by government. I do not know.

[jjrglobal]

We may not for the first year or so, but once private insurance can no longer compete and goes out of business we will all get the same substandard care. If you dont see that this is just the first step towards a government run system then I cant help you. I dont care what the bill says, there will be loop holes galore throughout the bill. Hell Liberals even misinterpret the most straightforward document we have, the Constitution, they had to in order to justify shit like this health care bill

[skinnym974]

jrrglobal: There are a lot of topics for which one can wave the "if you do not see that, I cant help you". Dismissive approach are the techniques of those who are running out of arguments + you should care what the bill says as any other bill (one should try to understand the details and make the best out it).

[Diezelraccoon]

very well spoken. As i said, we need to stand up and revolt against our government NOW

[skinnym974]

Diezelraccoon: revolt? Why?

[Diezelraccoon]

to take back our country from these socialist ideas that is killing capitalism and our country that's why. Vote all these people out

[skinnym974]

Diezelraccoon: but didn't your country elected the current government in a fair election without the shadow of a doubt (or chad ballots)? You are speaking of the US right?! Are you suggesting a revolt against a democratic choice? Where does it end?

[Diezelraccoon]

People over the many years have lost touch with what really matters and what the founding fathers based our country on. I am not speaking of democrat or republican, their really is no difference between the two. Republicans are just as much to blame. Its politics who lie and try to convince everyone how great things will be and all they will do, then they do not for the people, only themselves. America is now slowly waking up to the truth behind politics who do not for the people

[skinnym974]

Diezelraccoon: Ron Paul puts those ideas our clearly (and is pretty convincing at times) so, I think I get your message now. Thank you for explaining and sharing your thoughts. Myself, I would like to think that I pay taxes to do something which make sense such as providing education or health care to the many rather than feeding war and division ... Perhaps I have a religious bias but it seems to be the right thing to do (nothing about being socialist). The question is always how.

[Diezelraccoon]

If my taxes go towards education or to help people who are truly in need then i am ok with that as LONG as its not giving help to someone for years on end cause they dont want to make a difference or work. When government starts talking about spreading the wealth and putting higher taxes on people who make more, or complete government run health care on everyone, then indeed it is socialism, something Americans will not stand for, nor will I and I intend to fight it

[skinnym974]

Diezelraccoon: As it stands, the latest Ipsos poll (see my answer to geofiles) show Americans DO want a public option - they just do not seem to like the way it is spelled now. The fear tactics are in my view not productive. I think all should concentrate on finding constructive solutions rather than rejecting in block what as been a constant wished feature for the health care system. If not government run, what will create competition, break monopoly and lower cost to make affordable care?

[jimpodi]

if you want competition, you don't really need to involve govt.  you can have people purchase insurance across state lines. that will surely encourage insur cos to compete against each other, thus lowering costs. the public option will always prevail against any private insur, causing them to go out of business eventually. thanks to goldsilver for answering your question about mandates.

[skinnym974]

jimpodi: Agreed. There are many ways to accomplish what people want and have asked for (the polls are there). I like the idea of being able to purchase insurance across state line if the insurers are really different. My worry is that according to the American Medical Association (2007 report), 94% of the market in each states (average) is held by only a few insures and the biggest holds state wide 87% of the market. I feel cross-state line is a step but not quite the ultimate solution.

[jimpodi]

and you think govt is the ultimate solution? i'm sorry, but that's laughable at best. simply put, govt can't do anything right! just look at the areas it's tried to regulate - post office, public housing, social security, or even medicare. they all ended up costing tax payers much more than was anticipated, and with very mediocre results i might add.

[skinnym974]

jimpodi: I am not pretending to know the solution but stating (a) people are asking for a public option [polls are not deterring regardless of partisan attempts] (b) competition and breaking monopolies are needed (c) lower cost health care for those who have none seems to be the right thing. Politicians are paid to find solutions and serve YOU. Distractions and false statements, staling debate are not what they should be doing and not serving you. I am trying to understand this debate too.

[jimpodi]

people are asking for a public option just like they always ask for free handouts from govt. i don't pretend to know the solution as well, but i just know that a public option is a terrible way to lower costs. there are much cheaper and better ways: tort reform, portable insurance, HSA, caps on premiums, etc...

[Diezelraccoon]

If you are looking at the polls from the washington post which is a huge liberal run media source, those numbers are way beyond incorrect. You want truth, go look at the polls on Fox, plus I see millions of Americans everyday saying no to this. Again, government run health care is not about health care, its about power, this has been proven in many other countries, these facts speak clearly, I have nothing more to give but the facts of government run health care

[skinnym974]

Diezelraccoon: this must be a joke! You point at the Washington Post as being liberal and ask people to go to the so-called unbiased Fox polls to get the truth?? Perhaps this is a scoop to you but Fox is widely known (world wide that is) to be right-wing. For your information, I only look at polls from as independent as possible agencies (Ipsos in this case).

[Diezelraccoon]

you can call Fox news right wing and unbiased all you want, but they have the highest ratings of all time and all those other liberal media stations ratings are in the tank cause people are waking up to their BS. Never once has fox lied to me, I was able to go find the facts for myself on anything they reported. And if fox ever misreported something, they had the balls to come out and say hey we are sorry we mislead that. You wont find that on MSNBC or CNN, FACTS FACTS FACTS

[skinnym974]

Diezelraccoon: I certainly will not call Fox news unbiased, but biased. Fox news is however considered the most biased channel in all studies I have seen (FAIR, PEJ, PRC and so on). I also suggests you revisit the cable news rating (try getting numbers from other sources than Fox). Good luck and good day.

[Diezelraccoon]

I dont just get my facts from fox, I can research it myself

[TheNewVideo]

What is worse than a Democrat?

[jjrglobal]

@thenewvideo

A liberal Democrat

[TheNewVideo]

Nope you are lying. Conservative here, not Republican.

[dayvidiot]

a republicrat?

a demoblican?

republican/democrat...left/rig­ht..r all illusion.

there is only more freedom..or more authority

[TheNewVideo]

When you know no difference, in today's world, you are leaning to the left or are the left.

[CaIgaryFIamesFan]

Good for U.S.

[towerdawg1976]

Cloture Yay!!

[TheLiberalssuckdick]

The sheeple are so fucking stupid.

You can't have competition with the government you stupid fucks.

Democrats want the wrong type of fucking competition. So fucking stupid.

[NiemandBinich]

The DNC ponzi scheme moves ahead

[cigars777]

Take away the evangelicals and the Republican Party will show itself to be the cruelest most heartless greedy scrooge like people on the face of the earth.

[bpyjktgiuk]

They invented a "BRAIN CHIP". Check my channel for a video about it, or for the article, Google - popular science the memory hacker

[trucan52]

Listen to all the stupid rant on dems and reps in your country.The health care crisis is not that diffcult to understand.Corporate medicine was not challenged soon enough in the USA,now they have all the politicians in their back pockets.The people will always pay dearly for health care,one way or the other.Why can't those who are patriotic stand for their fellow countrymen for a change,and demand that all are entitled.

[mdryden02]

I want everyone to have insurance, but the government has screwed up social security and medicare: they cannot afford the boomers who will retire soon: they are going to cut medicare and it already pays nothing. It seems that everything is an empty promise, and a way to tax voters more. I wish those who can could just pay more taxes to cover the uninsured, and later we can have an influence on getting a system good for all voters. I wish we did not have to pay for insuring undocumented people.

[WarDogLRS]

Thanks to all the Dumb Downed moron Voters for keeping the Nazi Dems Regime alive and well right here in the good ole USA. These fucking Nazis along with there Brown shirt repubs have done us all a great service for the Corporations who robbed your wealth through the Bail outs and are robbing your life. You fucking Nazis that vote for these are liken to a Dog that returns to its vomit only to throw it up and repeat. Fuck you all who vote & support the Nazis

[btc8128]

You know you sound stupid

[WarDogLRS]

You sound like a welfare whore if you go along along with these freaks. Then I look at your profile and no surprise another welfare whore. Get a job Nigger

[btc8128]

Blow me WarPupy, that rotted hole were teeth used to be Im sure does a great job and you know you like it babyboy.

[TheBeanycecil]

Typical Republicans.

Cruel and heartless, as usual.

[OrphanPaper]

some social justices u son's of bitches,,,,: )

[ryen1992]

U voted for obama and the democrats.

Now U will pay with Ur Lifes, that right now the Goverment will tell Ur Doctor what Treatment He can Give U as a Patient

U dont belive it just wait.

2010 VOTE Those democrats OUT.

[Willjk89]

This is funny. Conservatives will NEVER have another 1994.

[darkchocosinger]

you act the insurance companies are not the ones telling your doctor what he can do

[btc8128]

Thnak God! Enough playing baby game with the obstructionists! Most of these republican senators have 25% + uninsured in their states. They dont care if people get sick and die or lose their homes. Lets get this bill passed!

[WarDogLRS]

Shut up moron get informed the Dems are the Nazis

[btc8128]

Its funny, every time one of these dullards tell me to get INFORMED they never seem to back up their comment with information. You know you sound stupid now blow me.

[Diezelraccoon]

you sir are a fucking dumbass. Liberals are the most cruelest people on the face of the earth. They say water boarding is cruel and inhumane but then they support and are all for ripping innocent babies out of women? yea thats real fucking cruel. you show me facts that show that republicans just want people to die you sick asshole, oh wait, thats right, you dont have any, its your personal opinion

[btc8128]

The next time you feel the need to make yourself look foolish resist that urge. The Hyde amendment of 1976 prevents federal funding of abortion. SO thats a nonissue. Heres the now famous Harvard report. You know, the facts you claim are opinion. This is how Republicans are killing people by, denying healthcare to the poor. Get educated dummy.

pnhp(DOT)org/excessdeaths/heal­th-insurance-and-mortality-in-­US-adults.pdf

This is what the Republican leadership stands for.

[medartist01]

Diezelhead needs to review recent history. Trainwrecking the economy on their watch, the GeorgeBush-Republicans plowed a $10 trillion hole in our national finances. Bush BORROWED-and-spent $6 trillion more in national debt, didn't pay $3T for his 2 failed, ongoing wars, begged for TARP, gave Obama a $1.3T deficit on day 1 in office. In billions, moron, that's more than $10,000 billion due NOW. WTF?! Yes, plus Bush failed to protect us on 9/11, and attacked the WRONG country. GOP=the Clown Party.

[Diezelraccoon]

um excuse me, but im not focused on Bush, he is no longer the president so get off his case. You have Obama, a president who bashed bush for everything including wasteful spending and driving the deficit up, then Obama turns around and spends more money than the last 43 presidents spending combined? Am i saying bush was the greatest, no im not, but i liked him and felt way safer WAKE up liberals, Obama is a pussy who cant even decide to send troops,

[f1nK3L90]

so, the republicans' attempt to fillibuster has been defeated by this motion, right? what is the next part of the law-making process?

[arequipa1]

too many people in this country are goddamn stupid and complacent

[katey1dog]

Do it Senators.

[theoriginalmquan]

wow yet another reason to raise taxes woo hoo...dont get me wrong, im happy for the "poor" but are wallets not hurting enough??

[Amalgam80]

don't worry you are part of the poor.

[theoriginalmquan]

if i am lucky...they will consider me apart of the poor

[darkchocosinger]

if you are not makin 250000 a year you are considered the poor here.

[theoriginalmquan]

i know this lol but the sad thing is that due to the way that the economy is looking now, it is hard to grasp this as offensive or a relief

[StompMud]

It's truly a sad day for America when a real debate won't be allowed to happen.

So many people are ignorant of what "cloture" means thanks to our hideous public education system.

[TheBeanycecil]

StompMud,

How about "cloturing" your ass?

[OrphanPaper]

you mean the ,don't tell them about that ,,,edcauaition system ,

[SimonPeter168]

i think the guy that said they would stay through thanksgiving and the holidays was bluffing.

[11pepperoni11]

you people are aware of insurance companies sueing states for the right to profits...look it up

[11pepperoni11]

Sorry to say this is nothing like the univeral health care that we were looking for...needs tweeking...if people are made to get insurance it should never be through corporate health care..we might as well sign our homes and savings accounts over to them for fucks sakes

[arequipa1]

nobody "was looking for" universal health care.

[SSanf]

What the American people think is that the politicians should get off their collective asses and make affordable, competent health care available to everyone in the US. Our citizen's lives depend on it!

[MrSpieldose]

I hope they cover alternative practitioners so I don't waste $15,000 for a plan that I will not use to avoid jail. All Republican Democrat soap opera bullshit aside that Pelosi Jail thing was a bit extreme IMHO.

[medartist01]

Ease off the BS-slogans, MrSpiel, and let's do what you failed to do(for 8 yrs) come up for debate, dickhead. Your party's so limp and discredited for your two failed, ongoing wars, your utter shitstain for letting us got bombed on 9/11, your trainwrecking of the world economies, your adding to the US debt/deficit of $10 trillion dollars, and the destruction of our investments. MrSpielhead is a complete moron. Incompetent retards like his GOP deserve our contempt and if possible - prison time.

[medartist01]

Republican trailer-trash, like MrSpieldick, work from lies and fear. And if possible, violence. What sets them apart is that Palin-speak. That vitriolic nonesense that's perfectly trimmed to soundbites, but under a second look, can't hold truth to power. From saying they want to assassinate the President, to scaring seniors with lies, to bald-faced lies directly on camera to the American public. The GOP will stop at nothing to see you suffer at status quo. Their refrain remains simply: NO.

[arequipa1]

i tried to read your post, but all i saw was:

waaaaaaaaaah! waaaaaaaaaaaaah! wahhhh!!

[MrSpieldose]

Is that all you low rate assholes can come up with is a rant about the same dude I was bitching about for 8 years too??? Go swim back over the border asshole. Some people are neither republiCONs or DemocRATs, you both suck and are responsible for the shit in this government.

[arequipa1]

i wasn't even addressing you. i was talking to that pinhead medartist01.

[MrSpieldose]

Oh, I pissed off team hate crime, no free speech huh? I guess you are dumbed down from all of the brain damage from irradiated food, psych drugs, GMO's and vaccines that the regular medicinal industry. I am vegetarian eat organic and do not like or need regular docs. I am Independent BTW and agree with a good part of what you posted except I hate the GOP too but Obama is the same fucking thing working for the same fucking people and the curruption BS is at the end now. never know Who I may be

[MrSpieldose]

You are clearly the ignorant one here if you believe that only republicans or democrats exist. I have a problem with all of that shit you mention too but I had a problem when those people wanted to kill Bush too or when Clinton was getting impeached over a BJ but Bush was kept in and Obama does nothing about that, I might have liked the guy but they all work for the same people and I have never lived in a trailer BTW. You watch too much Olbermann, can't even come up with your own insults.

[widowhams]

i dont get this, is this like the NHS for UK?

[sleonardelli]

Far from perfect (and IMHO, better than the House version) but a step forward. Congrats Dems against the party of NO!

[dpaulson777]

It's gonna pass!!! 4=sure

[jacknapier26]

yayyyyyyyyy

[Mnc41598]

2nd

[Jorge329]

Pretty important shit.