4. foams are petroleum products that can be "soy based" which could mean less than 1% soy. 5. Spraying the roof deck increases the amount of conditioned space AS WELL as adding surface area to your envelope. 6. Foamed in attics have no moisture vapor release, which is STILL required in homes. 7. If mechanical ventilation fails or you dont run your a/c, your home will be dangerous to live in because the air inside your house is 5 times worse than outside, and they sold you on holding it in.
Few things about foam people should know. 1. Houses are already being built too tight w/out foam, so the whole "stops air leakage" sales pitch is stupid. 2. Cathedral "sloped" ceilings are inefficient, therefore spraying the roof deck = stupid. 3. Many old codes would require r-30+ in the ceiling, but only r-19 if it is sloped, foam is usually ONLY INSTALLED AT R-19, even though the codes have changed.
i worked on a house they did this too once wasnt as white tho but basicly the same thing claimed they could use half the size heating and cooling unit course was a new build they did it to the whole house bet its a pain to run new wires thru this stuff later tho lol
@RandallFlaggNY Pure idiocy. Smurf tubing wires! DOUBLE THE DUMBASS. 85% of all insulation in this country is fiberglass, 10% is cellulose. Guess how rare it is to find somebody dumb enough to believe the foamers sales pitches, and can actually afford the overpriced petroleum product. It is less than 5%.................
@d1incharge You must be a shill for some fiberglass company. By running flexible conduit you future proof the structure. It is a value adder. I recently ran high and low voltage conduit in my home, running Cat 6 and additional 120V circuit to the second floor and attic.
@RandallFlaggNY Build it right the first time and you eliminate having to "future proof" anything. I am a 30+ year builder a licensed energy auditor and I have a mechanical license. I know at least twenty people that have come to me after foam didn't save them a dime, some said there were 5-10$/month savings, after spending 5000$. My personal 3200sqft home avg's 32$/month for heating and cooling with a mere 13seer a/c. Loose fill has been #1 in cost return from its conception, foam loses money.
It loses money because the avg. home has a 7% mortgage, even at a low 5%, when you drop 6,000$ EXTRA on insulating a home, you have to save BARE MINIMUM 5% of 6000$ annually to SIMPLY BREAK EVEN. What is that you say? 25$/month MINIMUM JUST TO BREAK EVEN. Well as you can see, if your home is built right, foam would have to save 80% on your heating and cooling again JUST TO BREAK EVEN. And even if it ELIMINATED the need for heating and cooling, it would take me 20 years to pay it off
@d1incharge Look this video up: "Raise the IQ of Your Smart Home - Homepath Products LLC "
Maybe your mind might not be able to grok "future proofing."
My house has plaster/lathe, with nasty 60 year old crumbly BX. I'm sure they felt they "built it right the first time." It has fill insulation from 30+ years ago, but it has all settled.
@RandallFlaggNY Everything is moving wireless dumbass, even electricity. 60+ years from now 8 different owners will have remodeled destroyed and changed it 6 times. Average person stays in a home 5-7 years. I had a 115 year old home that was in perfect shape. I still rent it out, 24 different people from my great grandma have lived in it, it is in great shape and well insulated, foam is over 30 years old now, and still a failure. Ask the hundreds of customers that have thanked me for low bills.
New 2009 IRC codes allow a max of 500sqft or 20% of cathedral ceiling. Ask them the R-value of the ceiling. Which also wouldnt make standards. Cmon this old house, call these crooks out! If there is risk of the foam oozing out, then there is a risk of water coming in, which will destroy the foam.
that spray foam is dungieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
pontiacman3 1 year ago
4. foams are petroleum products that can be "soy based" which could mean less than 1% soy. 5. Spraying the roof deck increases the amount of conditioned space AS WELL as adding surface area to your envelope. 6. Foamed in attics have no moisture vapor release, which is STILL required in homes. 7. If mechanical ventilation fails or you dont run your a/c, your home will be dangerous to live in because the air inside your house is 5 times worse than outside, and they sold you on holding it in.
d1incharge 1 year ago
Few things about foam people should know. 1. Houses are already being built too tight w/out foam, so the whole "stops air leakage" sales pitch is stupid. 2. Cathedral "sloped" ceilings are inefficient, therefore spraying the roof deck = stupid. 3. Many old codes would require r-30+ in the ceiling, but only r-19 if it is sloped, foam is usually ONLY INSTALLED AT R-19, even though the codes have changed.
d1incharge 1 year ago
i worked on a house they did this too once wasnt as white tho but basicly the same thing claimed they could use half the size heating and cooling unit course was a new build they did it to the whole house bet its a pain to run new wires thru this stuff later tho lol
tbirdpimp07 1 year ago
@tbirdpimp07 People are too cheap to pay for smurf tubing the wires before foaming.
At least people are beginning to understand the benefits of foaming, i.e. pays for itself in a few years.
RandallFlaggNY 1 year ago
@RandallFlaggNY Pure idiocy. Smurf tubing wires! DOUBLE THE DUMBASS. 85% of all insulation in this country is fiberglass, 10% is cellulose. Guess how rare it is to find somebody dumb enough to believe the foamers sales pitches, and can actually afford the overpriced petroleum product. It is less than 5%.................
d1incharge 1 year ago
@d1incharge You must be a shill for some fiberglass company. By running flexible conduit you future proof the structure. It is a value adder. I recently ran high and low voltage conduit in my home, running Cat 6 and additional 120V circuit to the second floor and attic.
Idiocy? Don't think so.
RandallFlaggNY 1 year ago
@RandallFlaggNY Build it right the first time and you eliminate having to "future proof" anything. I am a 30+ year builder a licensed energy auditor and I have a mechanical license. I know at least twenty people that have come to me after foam didn't save them a dime, some said there were 5-10$/month savings, after spending 5000$. My personal 3200sqft home avg's 32$/month for heating and cooling with a mere 13seer a/c. Loose fill has been #1 in cost return from its conception, foam loses money.
d1incharge 1 year ago
It loses money because the avg. home has a 7% mortgage, even at a low 5%, when you drop 6,000$ EXTRA on insulating a home, you have to save BARE MINIMUM 5% of 6000$ annually to SIMPLY BREAK EVEN. What is that you say? 25$/month MINIMUM JUST TO BREAK EVEN. Well as you can see, if your home is built right, foam would have to save 80% on your heating and cooling again JUST TO BREAK EVEN. And even if it ELIMINATED the need for heating and cooling, it would take me 20 years to pay it off
d1incharge 1 year ago
@d1incharge Look this video up: "Raise the IQ of Your Smart Home - Homepath Products LLC "
Maybe your mind might not be able to grok "future proofing."
My house has plaster/lathe, with nasty 60 year old crumbly BX. I'm sure they felt they "built it right the first time." It has fill insulation from 30+ years ago, but it has all settled.
You are one suspect builder/consultant....
RandallFlaggNY 1 year ago
@RandallFlaggNY Everything is moving wireless dumbass, even electricity. 60+ years from now 8 different owners will have remodeled destroyed and changed it 6 times. Average person stays in a home 5-7 years. I had a 115 year old home that was in perfect shape. I still rent it out, 24 different people from my great grandma have lived in it, it is in great shape and well insulated, foam is over 30 years old now, and still a failure. Ask the hundreds of customers that have thanked me for low bills.
d1incharge 1 year ago
New 2009 IRC codes allow a max of 500sqft or 20% of cathedral ceiling. Ask them the R-value of the ceiling. Which also wouldnt make standards. Cmon this old house, call these crooks out! If there is risk of the foam oozing out, then there is a risk of water coming in, which will destroy the foam.
d1incharge 2 years ago
@d1incharge Are you saying the whole ceiling needs to covered, or not covered?
RandallFlaggNY 1 year ago