Tao Te Ching & I-Ching (1)

[ShaktipatSeer2]

Incredibly enlightening.. thanks so much!!

[compr3ss3dr3ality]

Thank you for posting this

[owlbeard]

@ncigntujyang

All the Chinese history and academic studies I have read about the DaodeJing and Laozi put Laozi as either Chinese person or actually no one particular person, but a series of writers. This latter statement is generally accepted among most, if not all, scholars. To say that he was a Meo person from the state of Lue is a reach at the very least.

[geekeing]

@owlbeard ....thank you for your supportive comment. I see ncigntujyang has not seen fit to respond to your comment. He might not....at least for a long time...lol. After making his first outrageous comment he did not respond to thunderook for 9 months until I countered his comment. And if you read any of his follow-up comments he chooses not to support his viewpoints, we have to accept his word because he says so....lol. Without proper support I see him now as a Troll.

[ncigntujyang]

@thunderook

Taotze from the state of Lue and during his time...these place were belong to Meo people and even Chinese scholars stated " Laotze was a barbarian".

[weedheader714420]

He is right i can prove

[tarotamor]

Una alternativa oriental al tan habitual tarot de Occidente

[DrAyaba]

I Ching The Book of Changes and the Unchanging Truth by Hua- Ching Ni. Seven Star Communications...Santa Monica, Calif. The best one I have read so far. I have been sharing this one for many years. Universal Truth Ministries of Richmond, Va. Get it from the source.

[TheElenchusMethod]

i don't know chinese so i'm not sure how accurate the translation is, but i recommend stephen mitchell's.

[MonkeySpecs301]

@TheElenchusMethod Out of the version i have read, i have kept Mitchell's, i recommend it as well.

[nmlsaiya]

omg they can not find a person that actually can speak english lol ? im spanish so its difficult try to understand.... i like this kind of info anyway

[casiopea976]

que lo parió...no entiendo nada...

[ncigntujyang]

Laotze was the one who gave life to all thepeople in China but chiness practive Confusciun becasue he was chines person and Laotze was not.

[Thunderook]

@ncigntujyang what was he if not chinese?

[geekeing]

@Thunderook ....Lao Tzu is of Chinese origin. ncgntuiyang is incorrect.

[ncigntujyang]

@geekeing

Lao Tzu was not a Chinese person. Please read your history. He was more a Meo person than a Chinese person. Taoism is more democratic and Confusiousm is more detatorship rule...just like Thomas Hope and John Lock.

[geekeing]

@ncigntujyang...you have some interesting viewpoints. What are your sources?

[ncigntujyang]

@geekeing

If you read chinese history about Tao and Confucious and compare their political views...you will know that Tao is more democratice ideology and Confucious' view is more detatorship or King rule.  Those two political view are similar or the same as Thomas Hope and John Lock. Regarding Tao's ancestor...Tao was not chinese if you track down to where he was born and raise. Even Chinese scholar some times refer Tao as "babarious"...

[geekeing]

@ncigntujyang ...you are repeating yourself. You have stated all this before. Before further discussion I would like to review your sources to see if your claims are valid or you are simply a Troll.

[ncigntujyang]

@geekeing You asshole....I don't need to give you any resources. you need to go read it base on what I telling you and the world. Did you also know that the art of war was not really from Chinese person writer? Please go check it out where these people live in that time so you will know that ...that time Chinese people were not live in those areas. I repeating myself b/c I want you to know that what I says is true base on many sholars.

[geekeing]

@ncigntujyang .....lol

[geekeing]

@Thunderook .I don't know if you have been following my dialogue with ncigntujyang but he refuses to present his sources for his outrageous claims. Now, he even claims Sun Tzu was not Chinese and Kung-fu is not Chinese...lol. Myself, until I learn otherwise or he is more forthcoming with his academic sources I consider ncigntujyang a troll. HIs behavior certainly fits the profile. By the way, don't you think it odd he did not respond to you for 9 months until someone else spoke contrary to him?

[geekeing]

@ncigntujyang ..you are quite wrong. First Lao Tzu was Chinese and second many Chinese practice both Taoism and Confucianism. The teachings of K'ung-tzu for everyday social interaction and family and Tao te King for personal spiritual growth.

[ncigntujyang]

@geekeing

No if you read where Lao tzu was borned and from....you will know that he was not Chinese. Even chinese scholars stated that "Lao Tzu was a babarian".

[philotaaveti]

try with seven trigrams its more acurate

[rumblefish1988]

finally someone on youtube who actually understands the universal order!

[DecisionHelp]

Use the I Ching for valuable advice and insight. Try "The Pocket Oracle"

[iphoneYiJing]

Check out "A Modern Yi Jing" for iPhone on the appstore.

We have attempted to present the characteristic meaning of each hexagram in a way that makes sense to people living in a modern age

We hope you find "A Modern Yi Jing" for iPhone understandable, insightful, and easy to apply to your current situation.

[BuddhaShiva1]

I do have a question: Did Lao Tze read the I Ching? I know that Confucius did. But I didn't think Lao Tze ever read it.

[5111201]

@BuddhaShiva1 i am not sure did he read it, however the origin were similiar. tao thoughts were not created by Lao zhi, but by unknown philosophers earlier than the taoists. it's also the common origin of many thoughts in china like confucianism & yin yang school. as i know, I ching did mention tao concept so they were likely related

[massage33316]

@BuddhaShiva1

You have a lovely channel, by the way. I have no idea if Lao-Tzu ever did read the I-Ching; however, my guess would be that he did not. Having studied the Tao in depth, I see its message as being opposite of the I-Ching philosophy. The gentleman in the video uses poem 31 as his example. I found him to be very interesting, but I do not see (at least not in this case) that I-Ching is the root of Tao philosophy. I will explain more in the next message.

[massage33316]

@BuddhaShiva1

In poem 31, the left is preferred. We have to understand what is the philosophy of Tao, and not make the assumption that it is connected with I-Ching. The important thing to know about Tao is "wu wei" (non-doing, not "cutting"), being low (humble), keeping to the feminine (yin). Thus, it is not in keeping with Tao that the left would be yang (doing, completion, masculine). In Tao, feminine (left, TAO ) gives birth to masculine (right, TE).

[BuddhaShiva1]

Thank you for this video. I've always been fascinated with Taoism and I Ching.

[Kostly]

The I-Ching is opposite of western "direction". HAHAH This just shows you that there is more than one way to look at things in a logical way. Good luck to you all in your quest.

[bababybwoo]

why upside down?

[brav0wing]

Carl Gustav Jung put emphasis on Tao and I-ching in his studies on sincronicity (the acausal connective principle)!

I have had the opportunity to study Jung's insights into the human psyche for the past year now and i have to say that his studies are absolutely mindblowing! There is substance to Tao's teachings and the I-ching. He best describes Tao as meaning, hence the saying that "Tao never does, yet through it all things are done"!

[peacemakerandrebel]

@brav0wing

where did you get jung's works from?

[Kostly]

@brav0wing WOW ... I knew that Jung knew God was real when he said he believes it. HAHAH Atheists will try and twist it.

[YOUnitygosp3l]

Refreshing to hear Eastern Philosophy expounded by a person of Eastern origins...Thank YOU!!

[a661333]

卍, tells you, anything is, Correct, 卍? (2012)? Because 卍? Any person wants to come back

[Jimnammack]

You can use the I Ching to more correctly understand the essence of the Tao Te Ching. It is not a matter of one or the other. It is a matter of using one to understand the other.

[Kostly]

@Jimnammack This is not really about TTC. This is about I-Ching which is the mother of Lao Tse's work. In order to truly understand Lao Tse, you must first understand where his wisdom was coming from. It is essential to true understanding and the opening to an inexhaustible well of conciousness that is not your own. I wish you good luck in these endeavors.

[daoistfromebay]

@Kostly do we have to understand the background? is it vital or just background?

[Kostly]

@daoistfromebay sometimes I think it is just background. However, I think it essential. LOL

[SunshineBuddha]

I respect The Dao de Jing, but I find that the I Ching is much deeper and more profound.

[argent2020]

Why?.

[tigerbody1]

the I ching has more detail.

[KatiushaVN4]

@SunshineBuddha

You stupid

[Israe5l]

I just didn't have the patience to follow you around the hexagram.

But ying-yang is not symetrical. The outer boundary is black if you draw it with a black brush.

[ToMegaTherionXCIII]

The Sacred Books of the East version of Taoism texts editted by Max Muller is recommended.

[IChingKing]

I have not seen any English version of Tao De Ching accurately reflecting the Chinese original version. Even in Chinese versions, there are many annotations misleading. Try to read more different versions of Tao De Ching, you'll get more confused. Thanks for the comment.

[Kostly]

@IChingKing I don't think it is a matter of translation, as much as a matter of relating. I don't have any idea how complex the Chinese Character system is as I have not experienced. But, English, especially American, is extremely complex now. That is why it is so good and so bad at translation. But, I think, if you read all of them you're going to be able to understand each as it relates to the Tao. Embrace change. It will happen.

[MCCOLM1982]

you can download the ebook from torrent free

[massage33316]

@IChingKing

I can agree with you that the Tao translations vary widely in quality. I should soon be finishing up my translation of the 81 poems. It appears that certain translators have not consulted the original manuscripts, and some have ignored portions of the early manuscripts. I have not found an entire translation that I have thought was representative of the original; however, I do have favorite translators for certain poems. John C. H. Wu (1939) is perhaps my favorite.

[zetetic0void]

@IChingKing How much of a problem is there translating the intentions from old Chinese text to Chinese language? Since I only speak English and have looked at many English versions of the Tao Te Ching, I have seen how much the various translations can feel so different. The main English translation I have now is from the 'newly discovered Ma-wang-tui texts. This version (1989) translated by Robert G. Henricks actually is titled ''Te-Tao Ching' since the Ma-wang-tui texts were ordered this way

[MonsterNRGEE]

@IChingKing ive got a good version

[EduardoCRS]

why's it so different from the tao te ching i have read?

there it says: He enters a battle gravely,

with sorrow and with great compassion,

as if he were attending a funeral.

[mojorose]

i wonder the same! his version and the one i hav are WAYYYY too different!