@ALWADUUD Read my profile. I am an atheist. So it isn't "my bible". Because I reject all the bullshit of the quran, bible and torah, I am completely free to do the right thing always. So in my world women have equal rights as men, and slavery is wrong, period. I have no evil old book that I am forced to defend. You should try it sometime.
@ALWADUUD Dude seriously... I am an atheist, I hate the Bible, but your Prophet raped and molested as the Bible also commanded. You and Christtards aren't so different.
Dus: Fatima werd geboren toen de profeet 35 jaar oud was, dwz in 605. Zij was dus in 623 of 624, moment waarop Aisha en profeet Mohamed in het huwelijk traden, (624-605=) 18 à 19 jaar oud. Als men zich op deze bron zou baseren was Aisha, vermits zij 5 jaar jonger was dan Fatima, op het moment van haar huwelijk bijgevolg 13 à 14 jaar oud.
the profhet didnt mary a 9 year old because fatima was 5year older 624-605= 18-19 year
your all empty headed and dont know the story why he married her so you haters all should be quiet because its also your profhet pbuh and the last of all pbut and he never touched her till she was ready read it good
muhammad was a sick child rapist, bigoted murdering warlord. he was too fucking stupid to read or write. but he found a bunch of other retards like you to believe he was a prophet. and actually maybe he was a prophet... of satan. or maybe he was just another dried up arab cockroach.
WHO SAID MOHAMMAD raped a child... He had permission from her parent to have sex with their child. He teaches us if you want to sex with an underage, just ask politely from her parent in the name of Allah....WOW and you got it..
@izlamiztruth Some of them are, yeah. What is your point other than to acknowledge the facts of the video and admit that muhammed, who claimed to be the last prophet of a just god, raped a child?
@EDOM666DEVORE now days why fuck or marry someone who dosent have tits lol and perverts are sick just like the religious argument it is way too old for us kids .... i'm a christian and i dont like the shit of anyones past thats why we forgive but dont rape children or draw Mohammad to be peacefull
Age of Aisha (Rad) when she got married to the holy, pure, perfect, and infallible Prophet Muhammad (SAW/Peace be upon him) is 19+ years old: tXaw9UZlK_I
The TRUTH is that The holy, pure, perfect, and infallible Prophet Muhammad (SAW/Peace be upon him) IS the MOST honourable, righteous, pious, kind, sincere, handsome, beautiful, pure, intelligent, honest, modest, knowledgeable, chaste, AND GREATEST of all God's creation! Salvation is through him! The beloved of Allah (SWT) is the holy, pure, perfect, and infallible Prophet Muhammad (SAW/Peace be upon him) who is the best man ever.
@xtremeownage2 You claim Aisha was 19 or older when the prophet and Aisha's father arranged for her to be married. And yet there are many carefully vetted hadith which state otherwise. Why would you label as "islamophobic bigots" anyone who chooses to take those hadith at their word? Are the muslims who believe those hadith and passionately defend child rape here and elsewhere also "islamophobic bigots"? How do you know your god isn't telling you to rape children as the hadith say muhammed did?
@frid9999 I think you know that the Prophet(pbuh) didn't rape children but married a young woman just as any other arabs at that time did. In fact Aisha(ra) was already engaged before the Prophet(pbuh) married her, this proves how common it was, and also, don't you think the Quraish would have picked at this point?...They didn't, proving it wasn't seen as something strange or disgusting. And it is bigotry to say what you have said in your last sentence of your comment at xtremeownage2.
@AmanullahIbnTariq Same old weak excuses. It doesn't matter if child rape was common in ancient Arabia, and if the Quraysh didn't object. Muhammed supposedly had a moral god whispering in his ear - how could he behave so immorally if this was so? Also just changing the words to "married a young woman" doesn't change the fact that he had sex with a person too young to make informed consent to have sex - this is rape. Your response is feeble and wholly inadequate.
@frid9999 The standard has changed, generally people think 18 years old is ok to marry now (and even this isn't agreed upon). but who decides the standard? in the future perhaps people will say 'how can you marry an 18 year old? She must be at least 25.' Also, have you not considered that this was his best friend's daughter? you think he would marry her to some rapist? Have you not read about the prophet's character? You'll see your portrayal of him is totally unjustifiable.
@AmanullahIbnTariq You said, "The standard has changed, generally people think 18 years old is ok to marry now (and even this isn't agreed upon). but who decides the standard?"
We, the people do, based on science. Everything we know about psychology, brain development, sociology and other sciences tells us that 6 and 9 year-olds cannot make informed consent to sex and marriage. So we know the behaviour of muhammed is to be condemned - then and now. Science leads us to no other conclusion.
@frid9999 I no little about psychology. But, in general, the 9-year olds that live in say the UK, USA, etc. Are of a far different psychology to that of 9-yr olds in that time (7th Century Arabia). They would no doubt have been more mature and worldly aware than ones that live in 1st world countries today. For example: you can see children in 3rd World countries today that raise their families,They are far more mature than children today, their psychology is not nearly the same.
@AmanullahIbnTariq You are being absurd. Everything we know about child psychology, brain development and evolution tells us that 9 year-olds are not capable of giving informed consent to sex and marriage - now and 1400 years ago. And the only reason you have made such an absurd claim is because you have been brainwashed into mindless arrogant reverence for your self-claimed "prophet". He can do no wrong, so if he raped a child, then sex with children must be okay. It is the opposite of reason.
@AmanullahIbnTariq dude, there is just simply no way you can justify a 56 year old man having intercourse with a 9 year old. it was wrong in 7th century, it's wrong when it happens today. it's just WRONG!
if you can't see that, then you're probably a pedophile yourself and are defending it cause you want to have sex with children.
but child marriage is just one item on a long long list of lunacy we see from muslims these days.
The standard might have changed in the context which you're talking about but,for Islam,the standard(s) are the same as they were 100s of years ago.A girl who has reached the puberty is seen as a woman and fit to have sex in matrimony(her marriage is applicable at ANY age),but,as I see,a girl who just has her first period is not mature enough to have sex with and,to start with,she doesn't even know what marriage is all about,does she?
@xtremeownage2 : Oh yeah, I have some great tracts of mosquito infested swampland for sale if you actually believe the horse shit that you just wrote. Jesus was perfect and a certain self proclaimed prophet - wasn't!
@xtremeownage2 Well all those extream words you add to Muhammad sounds a bit...you know...to exream...Sounds more like wishthinking to me. No human is that perfect. Muhammad pooped and took a piss and farted like the rest of us.
There are several reasons for this marriage, Aisha (may God be pleased with her) reported the second most narrations about him (over two thousand), she was the first female scholar and she taught hundreds if not thousands of students.
Aicha corrected other companions when they made mistakes, she was a living authority of religious knowledge in her time
@Fujackattack None of what you said addresses my observation at all. You really don't seem to care about, or understand, the implications of your (last) prophet having forcibly married and raped a child.
I am just answering you with some historical context.
Khawlah bint Hakim suggested to him to marry Aisha, the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, thought thoroughly whether to accept or to refuse. He took into consideration his relation with Abu Bakr , the father of Aicha who was his best friend and later became the Caliph of the muslim empire.
@frid9999 Don’t forget that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) had a dream where the angel Jibril was carrying a person and he asked who is was, the angel said it is your wife, the cloth was uncovered and it was Aisha, this happened three times. She was married to him before the Hijra to Medina, 9 years old and did not live with him until after which was some3 years later, 12 years
This was perfectly normal in that time, as it was the practice of the ancient world.
@Fujackattack When I describe the horrible behaviour of the self-claimed "last prophet" exactly as you have done muslims call me a "hater". I'm not sure how you can get away with it. I guess muslims are allowed to expose the prophet as an immoral fraud but non-muslims are not.
The father of Aicha was Muhammad best friend. Aisha lived on almost fifty years after the death of Muhammad. She had been his wife for a decade. Much of this time was spent in learning and acquiring knowledge of the Quran and the Sunnah of Muhammad. Aisha was one of three wives (the other two being Hafsah and Umm Salamah) who memorized the Quran. Like Hafsah, she had her own script of the Quran written after Muhammad died.
@Fujackattack WTF??? Momohomo killed f 900 man and boys beheading them by himself.
He raped wifes of killed man. He had at least 11 "legal" wifes + the poor one he force to have sex with him. He was a pedophile abusing 6 years old baby girl. He robbed ppl for living. He is one from the worst piece of human trash ever. Never even abuse the name Prophet for this filthy momohomo garbage...Nobody should even try to build religion on such a poor example.
@Fujackattack Thx 4 visiting my side and be nice and poolite. I have he same problem with islam as many other people. As a prophet m. should now better in the future people will be judging him as a pedophile cause what he did to 6 years old baby girl. What about him killing by himself 900 man boys, having so many wifes and women he forcebly married after killing their husbands. Also his robbery r no the best excuse to be a prophet. Today muslim behavor is calling for ashame. THERELIGIONOFPEACE
@Fujackattack I’m just guessing but your muslim right? I consider anyone who follows islam to be a terrorist period. I am so thankful that there are only 4 of your dirty buildings in Idaho. 2 in Boise and 2 in Moscow and none in S.E. Idaho where I live, thank God.
People who try to compare one time with another really misrepresent that time.
Many people forget how amazing Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) was, after the Prophet (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) passed away, she did not marry again. She loved him that much that she could not bear to marry anyone else.
Khadijah was the first wife of the Prophet Muhammad and she had been married and widowed twice
Muhammad did well as her agent and eventually Khadijah proposed marriage to the younger Muhammad, she being about the age of 40 and he 25.
( YES SHE WAS 40 YEARS AND HE WAS 25) She and Muhammad were married in 595 C.E., a marriage that lasted for about 25 years until her death. She was the great love of his life, and he did not take another polygynous wife until after her death.
Our modern notion of childhood took centuries to develop. The idea began to emerge during the thirteenth century, blossomed during the sixteenth and seventeenth century, and finally began to be recognized in the eighteenth century
In the Jewish Torah it states than any father who hasn’t married his daughter by the age of twelve, has dishonoured her. Henry the 8th wed Anne Boleyn aged twelve.
Some Hindis marry when their brides are aged twelve, the Jewish tradition has about what age a woman should be when she marries, some say 6 others say 9 and 12.
Mary mother of Jesus according to Christain sources was 12 when she gave birth to Jesus (upon them peace).
In the 12th century Canon law in Europe stated consent for marriage to be atleast 7 years and others who stated consent should be taken earlier. Judges in Europe which was heavily Christian in the medieval times accepted marriages on a mutual consent for at ages younger than seven. Not to mention marriages being recorded as young as 2 or 3 years old
Is it not ironic or hypocratic in saying that the Prophet Muhammad(peace and blessings be upon him) marrying Aisha at that young age in the 600s was wrong when 500-600 years later in the Western and Christian world people were doing the exact same thing? As per Western laws this was legal. Anyone who is a descendent from Europe has their ancestors marrying young girls
@Fujackattack You don't seem to understand the implications of your prophet practicing such immoral behaviour... He claimed to be a prophet, the last prophet, the last prophet of a just god. How could he have forcibly married and raped a child if he was the last prophet of a just god? The other people you cite, who did these immoral things, did not claim to have a just god whispering in their ear. Do you understand the fundamental problem now? Think muslim. Try to think.
@frid9999 immoral behaviour? welcome to the ancient world my friend where Child brides as young as 8 were common, not exceptions, among the Byzantine emperors and nobility.
@Fujackattack You keep ignoring the point/problem. Were Byzantine emperors and nobility prophets? Did they have a supposedly-just god whispering moral rules in their ears? By saying, 'Others did this immoral behaviour too you know. It was common at that time', you are tacitly acknowledging the immorality (and I thank you for that).
So we still have the problem... muhammed, the supposed final prophet, committing horribly immoral acts. He could not have been the prophet of a just god. Period.
"Narrated Aisha that the prophet wrote the marriage contract with her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old." Hadith of the Sunan of Abu Dawud, volume 2, #2116
"Aisha said, "The Apostle of Allah married me when I was six years old. He had intercourse with me when I was 9 years old." Hadith of Muslim, volume 2, #3309 Allah’s Messenger married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine.
@jan09842 like I said, Arabic is known to be a rich language with multiple meanings to one word. Translators may use different words and thats why they tend to have the commentary of the Quran, before you draw such conclusions, read this book thoroughly with it's revelation links and it's commentary, and honestly, its you who needs to broaden your perspective about Islam and the Quran.. You need to read thoroughly,seek learned people and have an optimistic mind set before you claim that the Qu
Clear as it may seem. Arabic is a rich language with multiple meanings to one word.,. On top of that under studying the Quran and only picking on a couple of narrations result to your findings about Islam, you have ignored so many words of wisdom and guidance and have only picked on revelations that suit your findings? Very wise, smart and knowelgeble of you (nit)
@Zamee546 The variatons of interpretations of that book are insignificant when it comes tot the message. In English Quran is silly book with simplistic world view. So how it comes that in arabic that book is not silly? It seems to me that those arabic muslim scholars interpret the Quran mainly the same way as I do. If that ancient book has some kind of authority over people it gives them freedom to make all kinds of immoral things no matter the few nice words in the middle of stupidity.
Oh yeah? need more inisight and a positive mind and a heart towards millions who believe in Islam , in order to thoroughly understand the concept and the history of Islam, and of course, once again you have to research extensively and stop removing verses out of context and picking on controversial narrations which may seem crystal clear to the world but since you're not a Muslim, I advise you to seek clarifications from Islamic scholars..before you proudly prove your claims.
@Zamee546 You said, "...picking on [verses from the quran] which may seem crystal clear to the world [that allah allows, endorses, sanctions and believes in human slavery] but..."
Thank you. Thank you for admitting that the verses I am quoting are plain and seem crystal clear. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
You are deeply immersed in your cult. The truth is crystal clear and right in front of you. You simply choose not to see it because it means your cult is harmful and false.
@Zamee546 You said, "which verse are you referring to from the Qur'an which in your perspective, permits slave trade?"
What do you mean MY perspective? I thought we were in agreement that the quran endorses human slavery, and that the only difference is you think the rules were temporary and I think that all the rules in the quran are permanent? I can give you verses if you like, but you know them all already.
hang on, our Quranic examples can be a guidance for us till todate ..
which is why i keep on repetedly telling you.. such verses have been revealed on a series of narrations, we just cant go about removing verses out of context without atleast refering to the previous verses or researching into it..
these holy books require in depth studying before anyone can come forward and claim that its 'backwards' and 'unjust''
@Zamee546 I think it is fair enough to say that any book that clearly endorses human slavery and denigrates women by denying them equal rights as men IS backwards and unjust and no "guide" is needed.
Have it your way then, your researches are shallow, you have removed verses out of context and have quoted narrations from a couple of books only. it may clearly state so, but Arabic is known to have a number of meanings behind one word..
@Zamee546 My research is solid. You are simply revising the quran after the fact to fit the modern world. If you are I were having this discussion in 750 CE we would be in perfect agreement that the quran clearly endorses human slavery and does NOT in any way call for it to be phased out over time - none of the rules in the quran are to be phased out over time.
**how about you ignoring the fact that history and narrations have been fabricated, this is no excuse to cover up fro Islam, I don't feel the need to, rather these are reasons why the history presented to many today has such narrations
So presumably, you expect the prophet to eradicate long practiced actions from mankind overnight? He was assigned with a huge mission, and before changing norms, he had to preach it's negativity and consequences..yes last prophet indeed, he had appointed a successor after he leaves the world, but since you think that I'm under a delusion, then fine. If listening and adhering to what my heart and faith is inclined towards, then yes I'm trapped in a 'delusion'. If following this religion out of
@Zamee546 Again, when is allah going to issue a new quran which has the new rules for slavery which you claim allah now wants us to follow ("slavery is NOT allowed") which supersede the rules in the existing quran ("slavery IS allowed")? Where is this new quran?!? Show it to me.
@frid9999, when a society is firm on one particular norm which in reality considered wrong, it takes years to spread the truth campy with evidence. I agree that slave trade did not come to a come to a complete halt during Muhammad's time, but does not mean he didn't encourage the freedom of slaves..
@Zamee546 You are in a state of delusion, and as a result, immune to facts. Muhammed, a man who claimed to be the last prophet of a just god, said that this god allows (aka sanctions, aka endorses) the practice of human slavery. There is no way for this to be undone and for you to claim these were just rules for the time, because muhammed claimed he was the LAST prophet. You are doing the moral equivalent of claiming that 2+2=5. We can keep going around and around but what is the point?
@frid9999, the Qur'an out of Context and Bukhari's narrations only are shallow researches. There are people out there who have Spent years scrutinizing Hadith into immense detail, realizing where narrations could have been fabricated, I know that they are available in our books till today, but wouldn't it make sense if you would seek clarification from a learned Islamic scholar?
We may not have to continue on like this, so on a final note, there's much more out there to conquer for all of us, If you want to stick to your beleifs about Muhammd, then have it your way but do bear in mind that there's a lot more than your claims about this very personality.. The heart of Muslims worldwide.
@Zamee546 who said, "If you want to stick to your beleifs about Muhammd." It's not my beliefs, it is your beliefs. You believe that human slavery can be justified in some times and places (namely muhammed's time and place). You believe that a god's literal and perfect expectations of us were delivered 1400 years ago, and will never be superceded by another prophet, and thus we need to be looking backwards not progressively looking forward. These are your harmful beliefs not mine.
How unethical to detest a faith like that. Do you not follow a religion that teaches morals? God sent Muhamed to establish Islam. His exemplary morals drew people towards Islam. This is why this man is so revered by so many people Muslims&non-Muslims in every age since he came into existence. But some have chosen to misinterpret the Quran and search extensively for those sources written by bad apples to find the wrong info about his ethics. I wonder why - Are they afraid of the truth?
Well, Isn't it a fact?your claims regarding the Prophets life have derived from very shallow researches, this is history where not everything could be recorded with total authenticity, and considering how many enemies the Prophet had..thats why Islamic scholars examine all narrations and verses of the Qur'an into depth.nLikewise if I were to just extract verses from the Holy Bible, I could come up with total controversial narrations for I have not examined the bible into complete depth.
@Zamee546 You are calling the quran and bukhari hadith "shallow researches"? Please, stop it. You are displaying your delusions too proudly. I gave you black and white, crystal clear words from the quran that prove that women do not have equal rights in islam (and is therefor unjust). You even acknowledged as much by providing excuses for the injustice ("Women are biologically more emotional than men"). Now you switch back to claiming there is no injustice mandated in islam. Sheesh.
And yes, I'm under no delusion, our opinions may differ, I'm far from asking you to convert into a Muslim, but try studying why millions follow the religion of Islam.
@Zamee546 who said, "Women are biologically more emotional than men." and blah, blah, blah.
You keep talking without actually refuting any of my damning observations and conclusions about islam. You are impervious to facts and thoughtful reasoning. You have completely submitted to all the injustice mandated by islam and that is that. Is there any need for us to go on?
I am not ignoring your claim regarding the Prophets slave trade, here again you have quoted it from a book of narration, I previously mentioned that there's a possibility of fabrication, hence compare such controversial issues with other narratives then come up with a clear picture. Whats the need of another Qur'an? We are content with the final holy book.
Study such historical revelations thoroughly and please don't take them out of context. Women are biologically more emotional than men. This particular verse may apply to numerous transactions,hence women tend to judge situations more emotionally than man, you seem to be smart so I presume you can see through this. In other words, this verse can apply in today's world.
Surah 2:282 the fact that two women were needed alongside one man was due to the fact that the people of Arabia were not used to seeing women involving into business deals and transactions. And besides, a conservative women will feel secure if the presence of another woman is around her.. This was Arabia where men would burry their daughters alive. It want all that easy for their old habits to die, hence the twinge of grudges was likely to co exist between the two genders
@Zamee546 So you are saying Surah 2:282 no longer applies? Ok, good, because it is denigrating to women to deny them equal rights as men.
Uhm, so when is mighty-but-oddly-silent allah going to issue a new version of the quran? And how is It going to do that? It has used up all Its prophets, no?
And your sources of reference being Bukhari and the Qur'an out of context? Why are you being so pessimistic? Can't you look into this with a bit of optimism? I'm telling you for the last time now, research extensively! Most of your controversial Hadith seep from Bukharis narrations, try linking his claims with other books of narrations if you want to see through this.
@Zamee546 I am not being pessimistic. I am simply not suffering from severe delusions as you are. You are able to read about muhammed re-enslaving another human being to pay a master's debt, and it doesn't bother you because you are deeply immersed in your cult. I read about muhammed re-enslaving another human being to pay a master's debt and ask the obvious question... how could he have been a prophet of a just god then?
And hasn't the Kofi Annan praised the famous letter of our caliphate Ali Ibn abi Talib to one of his (Ali's) governors? A letter(no 53) which stresses immensely on the rights of people, read the Nahjul Balaga, each letter, sermon and saying has been put together with utmost optimism, insight and intellect. I put this forward so you can get a gist of the fact that the 7th century Arabia was no historical period just for a phase to end.
In my opinion,the verse I chose to prove about women's equality is no feeble verse to me, it shows that God has placed equal responsibilities on both of us in terms of the values we need to have within us. ,my perspective state that He created the male and female with distinctively different features, each having a great impact on the society. Though we differ we are both capable of pleasing The Lord and that for us is one of is supposed to be one of the most fundamental purposes of life
Honestly, its about time you step out of your mind set that Islam is harmful, religion is harmful and the Prophets teachings are immoral. Solidify your research, consult optimistic scholars who have scrutinized Islam and Qur'an into great depth. Backward for you simply because it dates back to the earlier days of humanity? Stories derived from the Prophets' lives for instance, are a great example to the morals and ethics we NEED to adopt into our lives. Scientific examples are present to FYI,
@Zamee546 You said, "Stories derived from the Prophets' lives... are a great example to the morals and ethics we NEED to adopt into our lives."
Stop it. Just stop it. I already quoted you several hadith where your prophet denigrated women and claimed that allah does intend them to have equal rights. I even gave you an example of your prophet re-enslaving a human being. So how can you say his savage behaviour is an example of morals and ethics? You are deeply deluded. Just stop it.
Sorry for the repetition of comments, looks like it got double clicked or something,well then if you are fighter for human rights, don't we humans have a right of adhering on a religion of peace? (or in your opininon, a religion we consider to spread peace) and do you think by being all that blunt with your comments, the Muslim world will fall for your claims? These are people who have firmed themselves and look up to the personality you are trying to prove wrong
Have you ever wondered how many people will be offended and hurt in your process of trying to prove that Muhammad's wrong? Have you bothered to consult an appropriate scholar who could guide you towards the rationale behind this particular verse you quoted..How about this ayah, it talks about both men and women equally."Verily for all men and women who have surrendered themselves unto God, and all believing men and believing women, and all truly devout men and truly devout women, and all men
@Zamee546 And don't try to tell me that surah 33:35 gives equal rights to women. It does not, and it is feeble, disingenuous and embarrassing to see you muslims try to use that verse in that way. Here is something much better than the unjust and backwards quran:
"Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, nationality",...
@Zamee546 And I could care less "how many people will be offended and hurt in your process of trying to prove that Muhammad's wrong?" Get it through your head... your beliefs are harmful! Islam is harmful. Of course I am going to expose islam as harmful and present better alternatives based on facts, science and thoughtful reasoning. If this offends you, good! Maybe it will snap you out of your harmful cult.
Have you ever wondered how many people will be offended and hurt in your process of trying to prove that Muhammad's wrong? Have you bothered to consult an appropriate scholar who could guide you towards the rationale of the revealed verse you quoted? How about this verse which refers to men and women equally
Have you even thought of being a little generous towards humanity? Is this how you directly hurl such accusations against a great personality whom Millions love? Is this how you voice your opinions by drawing cartoons and pin pointing at controversial narrations of the prophets life? I agree that freedom of opinions and speech is a right of every human being on Earth, but at the same time,each human needs to be Respected when it comes to their faith, beliefs and Feelings.
@Zamee546 You equate your desire for me to give your harmful beliefs a free ride as "being a little generous towards humanity"? Are you for real? I'm fighting for humanity here. I am asking you to wake up and try to break out of the state of delusion you are trapped in. Join the human race in using science to move the world forward, rather than the harmful claim that everything we need for the perfect society has already been revealed to us in 7th century arabia.
No infidels and tyrannical leaders are remembered till todate in terms of what I stated previously. He was the one who put an end to the female burying concept in Arabia. He was the one who ushered a black slave into the mosque and announce the call for prayer when he had first migrated to Madina, when many others were willing to do so, he was the one who pardoned his oppressors, he was the one who brought equality amongst a nation of ignorant and haughty arabs,
He was the one who personally reversed the manumission of a slave to pay a master's debt (Bukhari Vol 3, Bk 34, #351). He was the one who said that women are not to have equal rights as men (surah 2:282) and further said that it is because women are deficient of the mind (Bukhari Vol 3, Bk 48, #826).
Please stop ignoring your own history - all the horrible injustice done by muhammed and promoted by muhammed which doom the islamic world even today.
If you are one who considers that majority wins, then think about it, in the world today, Millions of mulims adhere and obey the teachings of Prophet Muhammad, they respect him, value him, and celebrate his birthday grandly, for their hearts are filled with joy. If he were all that bad, would he have millions of lovers? Would his name be one of the most common name in the world today? Would his grave have millions of visitors annually? Would his mosque be so beautiful and grand?
@Zamee546 You said, "you are one who considers that majority wins"
You have a misunderstanding of a what human rights-based constitutional democracy is. In our most unislamic of systems the majority rules but with restrictions outlined in the constitution. The majority is not permitted to trample on the rights of individuals or minorities. And science and facts far outweigh religious mythology and tradition in the courts. Science rules. This is far better than islamic theocracy, aka caliphate.
In response to what you mentioned about 'flavoring islam' , that's not what I meant, I tend fully rely on sources that make sense logically have authenticity i.e from reliable sources and Hadith which have been narrated and link with the Holy Qur'an. Likewise, an early Islamic phD scholar is one of my sources of reference.
Honestly, do you believe on the famous saying that goes 'practice what you preach?' the prophet was a preacher against every unethical and immoral act you have held him against, for he was sent to reform Islam and eradicate ignorance. Yes I put that argument forward for I expect you to look into the issue with a different viewpoint and scrutinize it by using common sense, almost every actio. Of the Prophet is practiced today my slims nation wide, and How on Earth can millions of people follow
@Zamee546 You said, "almost every action Of the Prophet is practiced today by muslims nation wide"
What are you talking about? Do muslims today take, sell and trade human slaves? Do muslims today rob travelers/caravans at sword point? Do muslims today reject human-right based constitutional democracy in favour of theocratic islamic caliphate? Do muslims today believe that women should not have equal rights as men?
You know, before we pinpoint controversial issues inti the life of the Prophet, let's try referring to scholars who have scrutinized every Hadith and narration which derives from early Islamic history. Ok Bukhari and other narrations state that even Aisha herself mentioned that she was 6. But refer back to what I said regarding the chapter of the moon, and Aisha being a young girl at that time, its contradicting,yes there are some haidth I am rejecting due to a slight historical weakness, and
@Zamee546 You said, "yes there are some haidth I am rejecting due to a slight historical weakness"
No, you are rejecting hadith solely on the basis of what fits into your chosen flavour of islam. You said so as much here, "how can a prophet of God even think of committing such an atrocious crime [non-consensual sex (ie rape) of a child]". You simply reject those hadith which make your prophet look bad - which is very, very many of them.
With power or force (Gravitational) did We construct the skies .Verily, We are Able to extend the vastness of space thereof. Quran 051:47.
• In 1929, Edwin Hubble, an astronomer at Caltech, made a critical discovery that soon led to scientific answers for these questions: he discovered that the universe is expanding.
• 1400 yrs ago only creator ALLAH was knows that universe is expanding.
The Prophet married all his wives for legal, political and religious reasons, each of his marriage having a phenomenal moral behind it, and if he were to rape Aisha, don't you think that it would've been practiced as a sunnah today? But it's not, infact morally its considered to be a very hideous crime. Yes I know that Muslims even rape , but theres a major sin attached to it, and im pretty sure they're not doing it because they thought the Prophet 'did so'. Like I said previously, these Hadit
@Zamee546 You said, "if he were to rape Aisha, don't you think that it would've been practiced as a sunnah today?"
Are you really presenting such a poor argument? Do you want me to take you seriously or not?
You admit your prophet was a highwayman, armed robber and thief do you not? And yet most muslims are not thieves (or are they?) Maybe your prophet's very poor morals explains why the islamic world is such a failed society, decades or centuries behind other cultures?
You know, before we pinpoint controversial issues inti the life of the Prophet, let's try referring to scholars who have scrutinized every Hadith and narration which derives from early Islamic history. Ok Bukhari and other narrations state that even Aisha herself mentioned that she was 6. But refer back to what I said regarding the chapter of the moon, and Aisha being a young girl at that time, contradicting, yes that's true, I am rejecting other Hadith simply because they do not befit such per
And considering how many narrations have been twisted, fabricated and usurped, Even if they may seem crystal clear , try examining this area mathematically , and you will hopefully conclude that this indeed is a false claim , by Muslims admittedly
Rape?! If you are extracting this from any narration, its likely to be a complete unreliable source, how can a prophet of God even think of committing such an atrocious crime, I advice you to please refer to scholars who have majored in Early Islamic History before you hurl such accusations against the Prophet of Islam
First of all, Most of the Hadith regarding the Holy Prophet's marriage to Aisha have been narrated by Hisham Ibne Urwah, who is in today's world an unreliable source due to the fact that in his later years, he mixed with people who fabricated Hadith, hence his chain of narration is not all that clear, Secondly,Bukhari has mentioned that Aisha was a young girl when the chapter of the moon was revealed to Mankind. This chapter was revealed 9 years before Hijrah, and if the Prophet married her on
@Zamee546 I understand your claims. But you are simply picking and choosing which hadith you choose to believe and which you choose to disbelieve. Bukhari V5, Book58, Hadith 234 and 236, narrated by Aisha contradict your claims and are clear that she was sold for dowry at 6 and raped at (about) 9 years of age.
And yes, "how can a prophet of God even think of committing such an atrocious crime?" And all his other crimes too.
I suppose I haven't been too clear, aishas eldest sister was 10 years older to her, hence if you were to mathematically prove it, Aisha was not 6 or 9 but was 17-18 for the holy prophet married her ion th 2nd year of Hijra
@Zamee546 ...According to the hadith you have chosen as authentic. Other hadith (Bukhari) are crystal clear that Aisha was 6 when she was sold off for dowry and 9 when she was raped by "the prophet".
I would suggest you to watch the video on YouTube by Syed Ammar Nakshwani entitled as Did Muhammed marry 9year old Ayesha? And in reply to your question about Islam, the word comes from the root word Salama which means peace and yes submission to the will of God means submission to oppression ?
No, I do not mean that, apparently, I tend to consider authentic sources from someone who has learnt Islamic history, Aisha historically and logically was 17-18 for her eldest sister was 27 when the ho,y prophet married her. History states that the older sister Asma'a died in the 73rd year of Hijrah
A man no other has ever seen the like of, and you stupidly curse him, accuse him and draw cartoons of him?! Regarding his wife Aisha, authentic sources state that he was married to her when she was matured enough and that even for a valid reason.. Despite his sacrifices for humanity, why do still hate him? Is you anger a result of ignorance, foolishness or utter madness?
@Zamee546 You said, "Regarding his wife Aisha, authentic sources state that he was married to her when she was matured enough" What does that mean exactly? Do you mean 9 years old as so many muslims do?
Falsehood, cruelty, oppression and malice has rendered about a huge misconception about the religion of Islam - which means peace. A religion whether right or wrong to humanity tends to be the second fastest growing religion today. Yes I do agree to the fact that a multitude of so called 'Muslims' are part of the ongoing happenings in the world today. My question is, why target on theIr Holy Prophet? Have you all bothered to even read his authentic biography? A man no other has ever seen the li
@Zamee546 You said, "the religion of Islam - which means peace".
Islam does not mean "peace". You knowledge of ancient arabic is poor. Islam means submission. And of course, in order to have submission you must have an oppressor to submit to.
PLEASE. A 9 YEAR OLD GIRL IS NOT PHYSICALLY NOR PSYCHOLOGICALLY READY FOR SEX OR MARRIAGE, THAT IS NOW OR 1400 YEARS AGO, EVERYWHERE, IN AFRICA, IN CHINA OR IN THE ANDES. SO DON'T SAY THAT HAVING SEX WITH A 9 YEAR OLD IS A CULTURAL THING, ETC. ADMIT IT, YOUR PROPHET WAS NOTHING BUT A PEDOPHILE. AICHA HERSELF REPEATS IT IN BUKHARI AND MUSLIM, THAT SHE WAS 6 WHEN HE MARRIED HER AND 9 WHEN THEY CONSUMMATED THE MARRIAGE AND SHE ADDS THAT SHE BROUGHT HER TOYS. WHO DO YOU WANT TO FOOL?
@DictaduraNo123 Actually those hadiths was proven to be fabrication it was proven that aicha was between 16-19 years old it was proven by historians..in fact there are many fabrications in the man made hadith books..there are more false hadiths than they are truth..the books are man made..if you believe GOD is not 1 and that he had a son which is actually GOD himself..God impregnated MARY when is was only 12 years old when she was married to Joseph the Carpenter..she didnt even reach puberty
@855842 WHY DO MUSLIMS LIE IN THE NAME OF GOD? THE HADITHS WHERE AICHA CONFIRMS HERSELF THAT SHE WAS 6 WHEN MUHAMMED MARRIED HER AND 9 WHEN MUHAMMED CONSUMMATED THE MARRIAGE ARE NOT FABRICATED, AS YOU SAY. THEY ARE PART OF THE MOST AUTHENTIC AND RESPECTED HADITHS IN ISLAM, BUKHARI, MUSLIM. SHE REPEATS IT IN BUKHARI AND MUSLIM. SHE EVEN ADDS THAT SHE BROUGHT HER TOYS TO MUHAMMED'S HOUSE. MUSLIMS ALWAYS LIE WHEN A TEXT IN THE QURAN OR IN THE HADITHS SAY SOMETHING STUPID, CRUEL OR UNSCIENTIFIC
@DictaduraNo123 DO YOU KNOW THE DEFINITION OF FABRICATION??? THERE ARE MANY FABRICATIONS IN THE HADITHS THE BOOKS ARE NOT FROM GOD THEY ARE MAN MADE AND WRITTEN HUNDREDS OF YEARS AFTER THE PROPHET..JUST LOOK AT THE HADITH BOOKS LIKE UR BIBLE UR BIBLE WAS WRITTEN HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF YEAR AFTER JESUS THERE R MANY ERRORS AND CONTRACTIONS N THE BIBLE YET YOU CHRISTIANS BELIEVE THE BIBLE IS WORD FOR WORD FROM GOD..WHAT ABOUT MARY?? THE MOTHER OF GOD SHE WAS 12 YEARS OLD WHEN GOD IMPREGNATED HER
@DictaduraNo123 Ayesha’s age at the time of her marriage has never been an issue. If it were, his enemies must have picked up on this issue as they did to him on some other issues. Note that none of these Hadith reports concerning Ayesha’s controversial age of marriage with the Prophet goes back to the Prophet himself. In other words, it is not the Prophet himself who said Ayesha was 6 or 9.
@DictaduraNo123 Rev. Jerry Vines while speaking to the Pastors’ Conference of the Southern Baptist Convention, St. Louis, Missouri on June 10, 2002, called the Prophet of Islam, Muhammad (pbuh) a pedophile and demon-possessed. The Muslims all over the world were deeply offended by his remarks, as were many people of other faiths. While certainly both of these allegations about the person of the Prophet of Islam can be effectively rebutted.
@DictaduraNo123 The books (Hadith) written 200-300 years after the death of Muhammad(saw), while providing a good deal of historical information about him are not free from faulty, less than perfect and self-contradictory materials. These should not be taken as the final word for a Muslim. Several books of Hadith (Al-Bukhari and Al-Muslim, Abu Dawood, among other) and Islamic history (Tabari) report that Ayesha was married to the Prophet at 6 but her marriage was not consummated until she was 9.
@DictaduraNo123 Although, this information is widely quoted and found in many Hadith and history books, it must be noted that most of this information has come from a single person, Hisham bin Urwah, who is the last narrator of this Hadith Isnaad (chain of narration) on the authority of his father.Thus this Hadith is primarily a single Hadith. In general, a Hadith has more credibility if it is narrated by more people independently from diverse chains of narrators. Here basically only one source.
@DictaduraNo123 Despite the abundance of information available during the 71 years that Hisham bin Urwah lived and taught in Medina, it is rather odd that that no one else—not even his famous pupil Malik ibn Anas---reported Ayesha’s age from Hisham in Medina. Furthermore, all the narrators of this Hadith were Iraqis. Hisham is reported to have moved to Iraq in his later years.
Dic Ayesha is reported to have been born about eight years before Hijrah (around 614 A.D.), one can find another narrative in Bukhari (kitabu'l-tafseer) whereby Ayesha is reported to have said that she was a ‘young girl’ at the time of revelation of the 54th chapter of the Qur'an which came 9 years before Hijrah (around 612 A.D). Ayesha was a young girl (Jariyah—as she calls herself). Additionally, this narrative stands in direct contrast to the one reported on Ayesha’s age by Hisham bin Urwah.
@DictaduraNo123 According to many narratives, Ayesha participated in the battles of Badr and Uhud. No one older than 15 was allowed to accompany the Prophet’s army in the battle of Uhud. This applied across the board to all participants, men and women alike. The battle of Uhud took place around the 2nd Hijrah, a time line close to her marriage with the Prophet. Obviously, she was at least older than 15 at that time.
@ktwothegreat HA HA HA....ACCORDNING "TO MANY NARRATIVES" AICHA PARTICIPATED IN THE BATTLE OF BADR". YOU SEE? YOU CONTRDICT YOURSELF. "MANY NARRATIVES" IS NOT A RELIABLE SOURCE, BUKHARI AND MUSLIM ARE RELIABLE SOURCES AND THEY ARE CONSIDERED THE MOST AUTHENTIC OF THE HADITHS. ADMIT IT, MUHAMEMD WAS A PEDOPHILE AND AISHA KNOWS BETTER THAN ANYBODY WHAT HAPPENED TO HER. SHE REPEATS IT IN BUKHARI AND MUSLIM THAT MUHAMMED FELL IN LOVE WITH HER AT 6 AND PENETRATED HER AT 9
@DictaduraNo123 He ha He ha....why you are worried about Aeysha, leave this 1400 yrs old topic and consume/wast your energy for to days social problems like child and women sex trafficking all over the world.
@DictaduraNo123 Tabari reports that before migrating to Habashah, Abu Bakr planned to hand over his daughter, Ayesha to Mut’am’s son to whom she was engaged. But fearing persecution by the Quraish, Mut’am refused and his son divorced Ayesha. The migration to Habashah happened 8 years before Hijra. Obviously, at the time she was ready to take on responsibilities as a wife. If she married Muhammad in the 2nd Hijrah (623-624 A.D), she could not be less than 19 years of age.
@ktwothegreat I KNOW BETTER THAN YOU AND I KNOW MUSLIMS VERY WELL. THEY LIE ALL THE TIME. EVERY TIME THE QURAN OR THE HADITHS SAY SOMETHING STUPID, CRUEL, UNSCIENTIFIC, THEN THERE IS A PROBLEM: "IT'S OUT OF CONTEXT", "IT'S BADLY TRANSLATED", ETC. OF COURSE THEY DON'T SAY THAT WHEN THEY QUOTE THINGS THEY LIKE. I REPEAT, AISHA KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED TO HER BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE AND SHE REPEATS IT IN THE MOST AUTHENTIC OF THE HADITHS, MUSLISM AND BUKHARI THAT HER MERRIAGE WAS CONSUMMATED AT 9
@DictaduraNo123 Ayesha’s age at the time of her marriage has never been an issue. If it were, his enemies must have picked up on this issue as they did to him on some other issues. Also, the reader must note that none of these Hadith reports concerning Ayesha’s controversial age of marriage with the Prophet goes back to the Prophet himself. In other words, it is not the Prophet himself who said Ayesha was 6 or 9.
@DictaduraNo123 Yaqub ibn Shaibah is reported to have said, “narratives reported by Hisham are reliable except those that are reported through the people of Iraq". Malik ibn Anas (d. 795), a student of Hisham in fact discredited all narratives of Hisham that were reported through people of Iraq.
@jaga454 I have another example for you. In Bukhari V3, Book 41, 598 we have muhammed selling a former slave back into slavery because his ex-master had an outstanding debt to pay off. So we have muhammed personally ordering a human being into slavery. And this is the man whom you think delivered an invisible god's final expectations to us all? You think this man's moral code is an example for us to follow?
How many more examples do you need that your religion is not what it claims to be?
@jaga454 It seems like you are the one in need of education. That's what the muslims want you to believe. He married her so she would be sexual property. He was a fucking sick pedo but your are to ignorant to see that. I have done my research I have even.....sadly read the fucking Quaran. And there religion is SICK! You know nothing about muhammed. Your just talking out of your ass. Im not going to argue with you beyond this point. But I just had to correct your stupidity.
@aneesa7861 Im sorry, but I don't argue with morons. I couldn't even understand a single thing you said. Please learn to spell before insulting someone.
@LauraStar11 well don't argue with yourself then and just accept it that Islam is the best (no offense to other religions) and that your the moron for being a coach vegetable watching the so called 'news' feed false information about muslims and you being the dumb-ass as you are don't understand what they are trying to do, and that is slang writing stupid people like you never understand that, and as for your snarky comment at the end we will see who says what on the day of judgment
@jaga454 I feel I have to elaborate on my comment of "LMAO!" I left earlier. Are you for real? Re-read what you wrote. You are justifying the purchase of a 6 year-old girl as sexual property by saying, "her family was so poor that they desperately needed him so mohammed married her so he can share his authority and money with this family"
You are living proof that islam rots the brain and the human spirit, leaving behind a shell of a human being who is incapable of telling right from wrong.
very funny! i like it!
DerGriecheAsklepios 12 hours ago
Your bible kills virgins you FOOLS!!! while our beloved prophet(pbuh) cherishes women. You women degrader FOOLS!!!
ALWADUUD 5 days ago
@ALWADUUD Read my profile. I am an atheist. So it isn't "my bible". Because I reject all the bullshit of the quran, bible and torah, I am completely free to do the right thing always. So in my world women have equal rights as men, and slavery is wrong, period. I have no evil old book that I am forced to defend. You should try it sometime.
frid9999 4 days ago 3
@ALWADUUD Dude seriously... I am an atheist, I hate the Bible, but your Prophet raped and molested as the Bible also commanded. You and Christtards aren't so different.
DremordDrale 4 days ago
Dus: Fatima werd geboren toen de profeet 35 jaar oud was, dwz in 605. Zij was dus in 623 of 624, moment waarop Aisha en profeet Mohamed in het huwelijk traden, (624-605=) 18 à 19 jaar oud. Als men zich op deze bron zou baseren was Aisha, vermits zij 5 jaar jonger was dan Fatima, op het moment van haar huwelijk bijgevolg 13 à 14 jaar oud.
the profhet didnt mary a 9 year old because fatima was 5year older 624-605= 18-19 year
themehdiiscoming 2 weeks ago
@themehdiiscoming Read your hadith.
frid9999 2 weeks ago
your all empty headed and dont know the story why he married her so you haters all should be quiet because its also your profhet pbuh and the last of all pbut and he never touched her till she was ready read it good
themehdiiscoming 2 weeks ago
@themehdiiscoming who said, "he never touched her till she was ready."
What the #*&*! does that mean? And how do you know she was good and ready to be raped?
frid9999 2 weeks ago
@themehdiiscoming you're just another brainwashed muslum retard.
muhammad was a sick child rapist, bigoted murdering warlord. he was too fucking stupid to read or write. but he found a bunch of other retards like you to believe he was a prophet. and actually maybe he was a prophet... of satan. or maybe he was just another dried up arab cockroach.
MorningofMourning 2 weeks ago
WHO SAID MOHAMMAD raped a child... He had permission from her parent to have sex with their child. He teaches us if you want to sex with an underage, just ask politely from her parent in the name of Allah....WOW and you got it..
MrAaronmun 1 month ago
christian priests are child molsters . the pope too
izlamiztruth 1 month ago
@izlamiztruth Some of them are, yeah. What is your point other than to acknowledge the facts of the video and admit that muhammed, who claimed to be the last prophet of a just god, raped a child?
frid9999 1 month ago 3
@frid9999
Indeed
Katalyzt 1 month ago
the only real defense is that they were all married around 6-10 years because they lived only 20 except Mathusila who was like 900
EDOM666DEVORE 1 month ago
@EDOM666DEVORE now days why fuck or marry someone who dosent have tits lol and perverts are sick just like the religious argument it is way too old for us kids .... i'm a christian and i dont like the shit of anyones past thats why we forgive but dont rape children or draw Mohammad to be peacefull
EDOM666DEVORE 1 month ago
is it true he banges a 6 year old i only thought Jesus from big lebowski was a peterass
EDOM666DEVORE 1 month ago
what makes me sad is that this video is actually true and not fiction :(
xXxSno0pDogGxXx 1 month ago
In reading the comments, I see the same old excuses for the child rapist Muhammad.
Muslims conveniently ignore the hadiths or Surahs that point to the error of their beliefs.
IFoundIslam1 2 months ago
@AmanullahlbnTariq You'll say anything to justify your perverted prophet, and your pedophile ways.
lovehatingevil 2 months ago
Age of Aisha (Rad) when she got married to the holy, pure, perfect, and infallible Prophet Muhammad (SAW/Peace be upon him) is 19+ years old: tXaw9UZlK_I
xtremeownage2 3 months ago
DO NOT BELIEVE THE LIES OF ISLAMOPHOBIC BIGOTS!
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The TRUTH is that The holy, pure, perfect, and infallible Prophet Muhammad (SAW/Peace be upon him) IS the MOST honourable, righteous, pious, kind, sincere, handsome, beautiful, pure, intelligent, honest, modest, knowledgeable, chaste, AND GREATEST of all God's creation! Salvation is through him! The beloved of Allah (SWT) is the holy, pure, perfect, and infallible Prophet Muhammad (SAW/Peace be upon him) who is the best man ever.
xtremeownage2 3 months ago
@xtremeownage2 You claim Aisha was 19 or older when the prophet and Aisha's father arranged for her to be married. And yet there are many carefully vetted hadith which state otherwise. Why would you label as "islamophobic bigots" anyone who chooses to take those hadith at their word? Are the muslims who believe those hadith and passionately defend child rape here and elsewhere also "islamophobic bigots"? How do you know your god isn't telling you to rape children as the hadith say muhammed did?
frid9999 3 months ago
@frid9999 I think you know that the Prophet(pbuh) didn't rape children but married a young woman just as any other arabs at that time did. In fact Aisha(ra) was already engaged before the Prophet(pbuh) married her, this proves how common it was, and also, don't you think the Quraish would have picked at this point?...They didn't, proving it wasn't seen as something strange or disgusting. And it is bigotry to say what you have said in your last sentence of your comment at xtremeownage2.
AmanullahIbnTariq 3 months ago
@AmanullahIbnTariq Same old weak excuses. It doesn't matter if child rape was common in ancient Arabia, and if the Quraysh didn't object. Muhammed supposedly had a moral god whispering in his ear - how could he behave so immorally if this was so? Also just changing the words to "married a young woman" doesn't change the fact that he had sex with a person too young to make informed consent to have sex - this is rape. Your response is feeble and wholly inadequate.
frid9999 3 months ago
@frid9999 The standard has changed, generally people think 18 years old is ok to marry now (and even this isn't agreed upon). but who decides the standard? in the future perhaps people will say 'how can you marry an 18 year old? She must be at least 25.' Also, have you not considered that this was his best friend's daughter? you think he would marry her to some rapist? Have you not read about the prophet's character? You'll see your portrayal of him is totally unjustifiable.
AmanullahIbnTariq 3 months ago
@AmanullahIbnTariq You said, "The standard has changed, generally people think 18 years old is ok to marry now (and even this isn't agreed upon). but who decides the standard?"
We, the people do, based on science. Everything we know about psychology, brain development, sociology and other sciences tells us that 6 and 9 year-olds cannot make informed consent to sex and marriage. So we know the behaviour of muhammed is to be condemned - then and now. Science leads us to no other conclusion.
frid9999 3 months ago
@frid9999 I no little about psychology. But, in general, the 9-year olds that live in say the UK, USA, etc. Are of a far different psychology to that of 9-yr olds in that time (7th Century Arabia). They would no doubt have been more mature and worldly aware than ones that live in 1st world countries today. For example: you can see children in 3rd World countries today that raise their families,They are far more mature than children today, their psychology is not nearly the same.
AmanullahIbnTariq 3 months ago
@AmanullahIbnTariq You are being absurd. Everything we know about child psychology, brain development and evolution tells us that 9 year-olds are not capable of giving informed consent to sex and marriage - now and 1400 years ago. And the only reason you have made such an absurd claim is because you have been brainwashed into mindless arrogant reverence for your self-claimed "prophet". He can do no wrong, so if he raped a child, then sex with children must be okay. It is the opposite of reason.
frid9999 3 months ago
@AmanullahIbnTariq dude, there is just simply no way you can justify a 56 year old man having intercourse with a 9 year old. it was wrong in 7th century, it's wrong when it happens today. it's just WRONG!
if you can't see that, then you're probably a pedophile yourself and are defending it cause you want to have sex with children.
but child marriage is just one item on a long long list of lunacy we see from muslims these days.
MorningofMourning 2 weeks ago
@AmanullahIbnTariq
"The standard has changed..."
The standard might have changed in the context which you're talking about but,for Islam,the standard(s) are the same as they were 100s of years ago.A girl who has reached the puberty is seen as a woman and fit to have sex in matrimony(her marriage is applicable at ANY age),but,as I see,a girl who just has her first period is not mature enough to have sex with and,to start with,she doesn't even know what marriage is all about,does she?
LlLChubby 1 month ago
@xtremeownage2 : Oh yeah, I have some great tracts of mosquito infested swampland for sale if you actually believe the horse shit that you just wrote. Jesus was perfect and a certain self proclaimed prophet - wasn't!
pmoyer50 3 months ago
@xtremeownage2 Well all those extream words you add to Muhammad sounds a bit...you know...to exream...Sounds more like wishthinking to me. No human is that perfect. Muhammad pooped and took a piss and farted like the rest of us.
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wkuna1 4 months ago
There are several reasons for this marriage, Aisha (may God be pleased with her) reported the second most narrations about him (over two thousand), she was the first female scholar and she taught hundreds if not thousands of students.
Aicha corrected other companions when they made mistakes, she was a living authority of religious knowledge in her time
Fujackattack 4 months ago
@Fujackattack None of what you said addresses my observation at all. You really don't seem to care about, or understand, the implications of your (last) prophet having forcibly married and raped a child.
frid9999 4 months ago
@frid9999
I am just answering you with some historical context.
Khawlah bint Hakim suggested to him to marry Aisha, the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, thought thoroughly whether to accept or to refuse. He took into consideration his relation with Abu Bakr , the father of Aicha who was his best friend and later became the Caliph of the muslim empire.
Fujackattack 4 months ago
@frid9999 Don’t forget that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) had a dream where the angel Jibril was carrying a person and he asked who is was, the angel said it is your wife, the cloth was uncovered and it was Aisha, this happened three times. She was married to him before the Hijra to Medina, 9 years old and did not live with him until after which was some3 years later, 12 years
This was perfectly normal in that time, as it was the practice of the ancient world.
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Fujackattack 4 months ago
@Fujackattack When I describe the horrible behaviour of the self-claimed "last prophet" exactly as you have done muslims call me a "hater". I'm not sure how you can get away with it. I guess muslims are allowed to expose the prophet as an immoral fraud but non-muslims are not.
frid9999 4 months ago
@Fujackattack She was married at 6, sick at the time, then momohomo raped baby Aisha at 9!!!!
Plz keep the ages right. Thx
wkuna1 4 months ago
@wkuna1 rape arpe rape?
The father of Aicha was Muhammad best friend. Aisha lived on almost fifty years after the death of Muhammad. She had been his wife for a decade. Much of this time was spent in learning and acquiring knowledge of the Quran and the Sunnah of Muhammad. Aisha was one of three wives (the other two being Hafsah and Umm Salamah) who memorized the Quran. Like Hafsah, she had her own script of the Quran written after Muhammad died.
Fujackattack 4 months ago
@Fujackattack WTF??? Momohomo killed f 900 man and boys beheading them by himself.
He raped wifes of killed man. He had at least 11 "legal" wifes + the poor one he force to have sex with him. He was a pedophile abusing 6 years old baby girl. He robbed ppl for living. He is one from the worst piece of human trash ever. Never even abuse the name Prophet for this filthy momohomo garbage...Nobody should even try to build religion on such a poor example.
wkuna1 4 months ago
@Fujackattack Thx 4 visiting my side and be nice and poolite. I have he same problem with islam as many other people. As a prophet m. should now better in the future people will be judging him as a pedophile cause what he did to 6 years old baby girl. What about him killing by himself 900 man boys, having so many wifes and women he forcebly married after killing their husbands. Also his robbery r no the best excuse to be a prophet. Today muslim behavor is calling for ashame. THERELIGIONOFPEACE
wkuna1 4 months ago
@Fujackattack I’m just guessing but your muslim right? I consider anyone who follows islam to be a terrorist period. I am so thankful that there are only 4 of your dirty buildings in Idaho. 2 in Boise and 2 in Moscow and none in S.E. Idaho where I live, thank God.
DWaves47 4 months ago
@Fujackattack she was also a little girl during consumation
348chris 3 months ago
People who try to compare one time with another really misrepresent that time.
Many people forget how amazing Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) was, after the Prophet (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) passed away, she did not marry again. She loved him that much that she could not bear to marry anyone else.
Fujackattack 4 months ago
Khadijah was the first wife of the Prophet Muhammad and she had been married and widowed twice
Muhammad did well as her agent and eventually Khadijah proposed marriage to the younger Muhammad, she being about the age of 40 and he 25.
( YES SHE WAS 40 YEARS AND HE WAS 25) She and Muhammad were married in 595 C.E., a marriage that lasted for about 25 years until her death. She was the great love of his life, and he did not take another polygynous wife until after her death.
Fujackattack 4 months ago
Our modern notion of childhood took centuries to develop. The idea began to emerge during the thirteenth century, blossomed during the sixteenth and seventeenth century, and finally began to be recognized in the eighteenth century
Fujackattack 4 months ago
In the Jewish Torah it states than any father who hasn’t married his daughter by the age of twelve, has dishonoured her. Henry the 8th wed Anne Boleyn aged twelve.
Some Hindis marry when their brides are aged twelve, the Jewish tradition has about what age a woman should be when she marries, some say 6 others say 9 and 12.
Mary mother of Jesus according to Christain sources was 12 when she gave birth to Jesus (upon them peace).
Fujackattack 5 months ago
In the 12th century Canon law in Europe stated consent for marriage to be atleast 7 years and others who stated consent should be taken earlier. Judges in Europe which was heavily Christian in the medieval times accepted marriages on a mutual consent for at ages younger than seven. Not to mention marriages being recorded as young as 2 or 3 years old
Fujackattack 5 months ago
Is it not ironic or hypocratic in saying that the Prophet Muhammad(peace and blessings be upon him) marrying Aisha at that young age in the 600s was wrong when 500-600 years later in the Western and Christian world people were doing the exact same thing? As per Western laws this was legal. Anyone who is a descendent from Europe has their ancestors marrying young girls
Fujackattack 5 months ago
@Fujackattack You don't seem to understand the implications of your prophet practicing such immoral behaviour... He claimed to be a prophet, the last prophet, the last prophet of a just god. How could he have forcibly married and raped a child if he was the last prophet of a just god? The other people you cite, who did these immoral things, did not claim to have a just god whispering in their ear. Do you understand the fundamental problem now? Think muslim. Try to think.
frid9999 5 months ago
@frid9999 immoral behaviour? welcome to the ancient world my friend where Child brides as young as 8 were common, not exceptions, among the Byzantine emperors and nobility.
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Fujackattack 4 months ago
@Fujackattack You keep ignoring the point/problem. Were Byzantine emperors and nobility prophets? Did they have a supposedly-just god whispering moral rules in their ears? By saying, 'Others did this immoral behaviour too you know. It was common at that time', you are tacitly acknowledging the immorality (and I thank you for that).
So we still have the problem... muhammed, the supposed final prophet, committing horribly immoral acts. He could not have been the prophet of a just god. Period.
frid9999 3 months ago
@Fujackattack Yeam but we don't worship our pedos.
Blackfriday420 3 months ago
Bukhari vol. 7, #65:
"Narrated Aisha that the prophet wrote the marriage contract with her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old." Hadith of the Sunan of Abu Dawud, volume 2, #2116
"Aisha said, "The Apostle of Allah married me when I was six years old. He had intercourse with me when I was 9 years old." Hadith of Muslim, volume 2, #3309 Allah’s Messenger married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine.
dominiquehoward 5 months ago
@jan09842 like I said, Arabic is known to be a rich language with multiple meanings to one word. Translators may use different words and thats why they tend to have the commentary of the Quran, before you draw such conclusions, read this book thoroughly with it's revelation links and it's commentary, and honestly, its you who needs to broaden your perspective about Islam and the Quran.. You need to read thoroughly,seek learned people and have an optimistic mind set before you claim that the Qu
Zamee546 5 months ago
*not
Zamee546 5 months ago
Clear as it may seem. Arabic is a rich language with multiple meanings to one word.,. On top of that under studying the Quran and only picking on a couple of narrations result to your findings about Islam, you have ignored so many words of wisdom and guidance and have only picked on revelations that suit your findings? Very wise, smart and knowelgeble of you (nit)
Zamee546 5 months ago
@Zamee546 The variatons of interpretations of that book are insignificant when it comes tot the message. In English Quran is silly book with simplistic world view. So how it comes that in arabic that book is not silly? It seems to me that those arabic muslim scholars interpret the Quran mainly the same way as I do. If that ancient book has some kind of authority over people it gives them freedom to make all kinds of immoral things no matter the few nice words in the middle of stupidity.
jan09842 5 months ago
Oh yeah? need more inisight and a positive mind and a heart towards millions who believe in Islam , in order to thoroughly understand the concept and the history of Islam, and of course, once again you have to research extensively and stop removing verses out of context and picking on controversial narrations which may seem crystal clear to the world but since you're not a Muslim, I advise you to seek clarifications from Islamic scholars..before you proudly prove your claims.
Zamee546 5 months ago
@Zamee546 You said, "...picking on [verses from the quran] which may seem crystal clear to the world [that allah allows, endorses, sanctions and believes in human slavery] but..."
Thank you. Thank you for admitting that the verses I am quoting are plain and seem crystal clear. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
You are deeply immersed in your cult. The truth is crystal clear and right in front of you. You simply choose not to see it because it means your cult is harmful and false.
frid9999 5 months ago
May I ask which verse are you referring to from the Qur'an which in your perspective, permits slave trade?
Zamee546 5 months ago
@Zamee546 You said, "which verse are you referring to from the Qur'an which in your perspective, permits slave trade?"
What do you mean MY perspective? I thought we were in agreement that the quran endorses human slavery, and that the only difference is you think the rules were temporary and I think that all the rules in the quran are permanent? I can give you verses if you like, but you know them all already.
frid9999 5 months ago
hang on, our Quranic examples can be a guidance for us till todate ..
which is why i keep on repetedly telling you.. such verses have been revealed on a series of narrations, we just cant go about removing verses out of context without atleast refering to the previous verses or researching into it..
these holy books require in depth studying before anyone can come forward and claim that its 'backwards' and 'unjust''
Zamee546 5 months ago
@Zamee546 I think it is fair enough to say that any book that clearly endorses human slavery and denigrates women by denying them equal rights as men IS backwards and unjust and no "guide" is needed.
frid9999 5 months ago
@frid9999
Have it your way then, your researches are shallow, you have removed verses out of context and have quoted narrations from a couple of books only. it may clearly state so, but Arabic is known to have a number of meanings behind one word..
Zamee546 5 months ago
@Zamee546 My research is solid. You are simply revising the quran after the fact to fit the modern world. If you are I were having this discussion in 750 CE we would be in perfect agreement that the quran clearly endorses human slavery and does NOT in any way call for it to be phased out over time - none of the rules in the quran are to be phased out over time.
frid9999 5 months ago
**how about you ignoring the fact that history and narrations have been fabricated, this is no excuse to cover up fro Islam, I don't feel the need to, rather these are reasons why the history presented to many today has such narrations
Zamee546 5 months ago
How about you
Zamee546 5 months ago
So presumably, you expect the prophet to eradicate long practiced actions from mankind overnight? He was assigned with a huge mission, and before changing norms, he had to preach it's negativity and consequences..yes last prophet indeed, he had appointed a successor after he leaves the world, but since you think that I'm under a delusion, then fine. If listening and adhering to what my heart and faith is inclined towards, then yes I'm trapped in a 'delusion'. If following this religion out of
Zamee546 5 months ago
@Zamee546 Again, when is allah going to issue a new quran which has the new rules for slavery which you claim allah now wants us to follow ("slavery is NOT allowed") which supersede the rules in the existing quran ("slavery IS allowed")? Where is this new quran?!? Show it to me.
frid9999 5 months ago
**calmly
Zamee546 5 months ago
@frid9999, when a society is firm on one particular norm which in reality considered wrong, it takes years to spread the truth campy with evidence. I agree that slave trade did not come to a come to a complete halt during Muhammad's time, but does not mean he didn't encourage the freedom of slaves..
Zamee546 5 months ago
@Zamee546 You are in a state of delusion, and as a result, immune to facts. Muhammed, a man who claimed to be the last prophet of a just god, said that this god allows (aka sanctions, aka endorses) the practice of human slavery. There is no way for this to be undone and for you to claim these were just rules for the time, because muhammed claimed he was the LAST prophet. You are doing the moral equivalent of claiming that 2+2=5. We can keep going around and around but what is the point?
frid9999 5 months ago
@frid9999, the Qur'an out of Context and Bukhari's narrations only are shallow researches. There are people out there who have Spent years scrutinizing Hadith into immense detail, realizing where narrations could have been fabricated, I know that they are available in our books till today, but wouldn't it make sense if you would seek clarification from a learned Islamic scholar?
Zamee546 5 months ago
We may not have to continue on like this, so on a final note, there's much more out there to conquer for all of us, If you want to stick to your beleifs about Muhammd, then have it your way but do bear in mind that there's a lot more than your claims about this very personality.. The heart of Muslims worldwide.
Zamee546 5 months ago
@Zamee546 who said, "If you want to stick to your beleifs about Muhammd." It's not my beliefs, it is your beliefs. You believe that human slavery can be justified in some times and places (namely muhammed's time and place). You believe that a god's literal and perfect expectations of us were delivered 1400 years ago, and will never be superceded by another prophet, and thus we need to be looking backwards not progressively looking forward. These are your harmful beliefs not mine.
frid9999 5 months ago
@frid9999
How unethical to detest a faith like that. Do you not follow a religion that teaches morals? God sent Muhamed to establish Islam. His exemplary morals drew people towards Islam. This is why this man is so revered by so many people Muslims&non-Muslims in every age since he came into existence. But some have chosen to misinterpret the Quran and search extensively for those sources written by bad apples to find the wrong info about his ethics. I wonder why - Are they afraid of the truth?
akeela110 5 months ago
Well, Isn't it a fact?your claims regarding the Prophets life have derived from very shallow researches, this is history where not everything could be recorded with total authenticity, and considering how many enemies the Prophet had..thats why Islamic scholars examine all narrations and verses of the Qur'an into depth.nLikewise if I were to just extract verses from the Holy Bible, I could come up with total controversial narrations for I have not examined the bible into complete depth.
Zamee546 5 months ago
@Zamee546 You are calling the quran and bukhari hadith "shallow researches"? Please, stop it. You are displaying your delusions too proudly. I gave you black and white, crystal clear words from the quran that prove that women do not have equal rights in islam (and is therefor unjust). You even acknowledged as much by providing excuses for the injustice ("Women are biologically more emotional than men"). Now you switch back to claiming there is no injustice mandated in islam. Sheesh.
frid9999 5 months ago
And yes, I'm under no delusion, our opinions may differ, I'm far from asking you to convert into a Muslim, but try studying why millions follow the religion of Islam.
Zamee546 6 months ago
@Zamee546 who said, "Women are biologically more emotional than men." and blah, blah, blah.
You keep talking without actually refuting any of my damning observations and conclusions about islam. You are impervious to facts and thoughtful reasoning. You have completely submitted to all the injustice mandated by islam and that is that. Is there any need for us to go on?
frid9999 5 months ago
I am not ignoring your claim regarding the Prophets slave trade, here again you have quoted it from a book of narration, I previously mentioned that there's a possibility of fabrication, hence compare such controversial issues with other narratives then come up with a clear picture. Whats the need of another Qur'an? We are content with the final holy book.
Zamee546 6 months ago
Study such historical revelations thoroughly and please don't take them out of context. Women are biologically more emotional than men. This particular verse may apply to numerous transactions,hence women tend to judge situations more emotionally than man, you seem to be smart so I presume you can see through this. In other words, this verse can apply in today's world.
Zamee546 6 months ago
Surah 2:282 the fact that two women were needed alongside one man was due to the fact that the people of Arabia were not used to seeing women involving into business deals and transactions. And besides, a conservative women will feel secure if the presence of another woman is around her.. This was Arabia where men would burry their daughters alive. It want all that easy for their old habits to die, hence the twinge of grudges was likely to co exist between the two genders
Zamee546 6 months ago
@Zamee546 So you are saying Surah 2:282 no longer applies? Ok, good, because it is denigrating to women to deny them equal rights as men.
Uhm, so when is mighty-but-oddly-silent allah going to issue a new version of the quran? And how is It going to do that? It has used up all Its prophets, no?
frid9999 6 months ago
And your sources of reference being Bukhari and the Qur'an out of context? Why are you being so pessimistic? Can't you look into this with a bit of optimism? I'm telling you for the last time now, research extensively! Most of your controversial Hadith seep from Bukharis narrations, try linking his claims with other books of narrations if you want to see through this.
Zamee546 6 months ago
@Zamee546 I am not being pessimistic. I am simply not suffering from severe delusions as you are. You are able to read about muhammed re-enslaving another human being to pay a master's debt, and it doesn't bother you because you are deeply immersed in your cult. I read about muhammed re-enslaving another human being to pay a master's debt and ask the obvious question... how could he have been a prophet of a just god then?
frid9999 6 months ago
And hasn't the Kofi Annan praised the famous letter of our caliphate Ali Ibn abi Talib to one of his (Ali's) governors? A letter(no 53) which stresses immensely on the rights of people, read the Nahjul Balaga, each letter, sermon and saying has been put together with utmost optimism, insight and intellect. I put this forward so you can get a gist of the fact that the 7th century Arabia was no historical period just for a phase to end.
Zamee546 6 months ago
In my opinion,the verse I chose to prove about women's equality is no feeble verse to me, it shows that God has placed equal responsibilities on both of us in terms of the values we need to have within us. ,my perspective state that He created the male and female with distinctively different features, each having a great impact on the society. Though we differ we are both capable of pleasing The Lord and that for us is one of is supposed to be one of the most fundamental purposes of life
Zamee546 6 months ago
Honestly, its about time you step out of your mind set that Islam is harmful, religion is harmful and the Prophets teachings are immoral. Solidify your research, consult optimistic scholars who have scrutinized Islam and Qur'an into great depth. Backward for you simply because it dates back to the earlier days of humanity? Stories derived from the Prophets' lives for instance, are a great example to the morals and ethics we NEED to adopt into our lives. Scientific examples are present to FYI,
Zamee546 6 months ago
@Zamee546 You said, "Stories derived from the Prophets' lives... are a great example to the morals and ethics we NEED to adopt into our lives."
Stop it. Just stop it. I already quoted you several hadith where your prophet denigrated women and claimed that allah does intend them to have equal rights. I even gave you an example of your prophet re-enslaving a human being. So how can you say his savage behaviour is an example of morals and ethics? You are deeply deluded. Just stop it.
frid9999 6 months ago
Sorry for the repetition of comments, looks like it got double clicked or something,well then if you are fighter for human rights, don't we humans have a right of adhering on a religion of peace? (or in your opininon, a religion we consider to spread peace) and do you think by being all that blunt with your comments, the Muslim world will fall for your claims? These are people who have firmed themselves and look up to the personality you are trying to prove wrong
Zamee546 6 months ago
Have you ever wondered how many people will be offended and hurt in your process of trying to prove that Muhammad's wrong? Have you bothered to consult an appropriate scholar who could guide you towards the rationale behind this particular verse you quoted..How about this ayah, it talks about both men and women equally."Verily for all men and women who have surrendered themselves unto God, and all believing men and believing women, and all truly devout men and truly devout women, and all men
Zamee546 6 months ago
@Zamee546 And don't try to tell me that surah 33:35 gives equal rights to women. It does not, and it is feeble, disingenuous and embarrassing to see you muslims try to use that verse in that way. Here is something much better than the unjust and backwards quran:
"Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, nationality",...
frid9999 6 months ago
...part 2... "...national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability."
That is from the Constitution of Canada. THAT is how you grant equal rights to all citizens including women.
frid9999 6 months ago
correction... For the record, I misquoted the Constitution of Canada. Scratch the word "nationality".
frid9999 6 months ago
@Zamee546 And I could care less "how many people will be offended and hurt in your process of trying to prove that Muhammad's wrong?" Get it through your head... your beliefs are harmful! Islam is harmful. Of course I am going to expose islam as harmful and present better alternatives based on facts, science and thoughtful reasoning. If this offends you, good! Maybe it will snap you out of your harmful cult.
frid9999 6 months ago
Have you ever wondered how many people will be offended and hurt in your process of trying to prove that Muhammad's wrong? Have you bothered to consult an appropriate scholar who could guide you towards the rationale of the revealed verse you quoted? How about this verse which refers to men and women equally
Zamee546 6 months ago
Have you even thought of being a little generous towards humanity? Is this how you directly hurl such accusations against a great personality whom Millions love? Is this how you voice your opinions by drawing cartoons and pin pointing at controversial narrations of the prophets life? I agree that freedom of opinions and speech is a right of every human being on Earth, but at the same time,each human needs to be Respected when it comes to their faith, beliefs and Feelings.
Zamee546 6 months ago
@Zamee546 You equate your desire for me to give your harmful beliefs a free ride as "being a little generous towards humanity"? Are you for real? I'm fighting for humanity here. I am asking you to wake up and try to break out of the state of delusion you are trapped in. Join the human race in using science to move the world forward, rather than the harmful claim that everything we need for the perfect society has already been revealed to us in 7th century arabia.
frid9999 6 months ago
No infidels and tyrannical leaders are remembered till todate in terms of what I stated previously. He was the one who put an end to the female burying concept in Arabia. He was the one who ushered a black slave into the mosque and announce the call for prayer when he had first migrated to Madina, when many others were willing to do so, he was the one who pardoned his oppressors, he was the one who brought equality amongst a nation of ignorant and haughty arabs,
Zamee546 6 months ago
@Zamee546 You said, "He was the one who..."
He was the one who personally reversed the manumission of a slave to pay a master's debt (Bukhari Vol 3, Bk 34, #351). He was the one who said that women are not to have equal rights as men (surah 2:282) and further said that it is because women are deficient of the mind (Bukhari Vol 3, Bk 48, #826).
Please stop ignoring your own history - all the horrible injustice done by muhammed and promoted by muhammed which doom the islamic world even today.
frid9999 6 months ago
If you are one who considers that majority wins, then think about it, in the world today, Millions of mulims adhere and obey the teachings of Prophet Muhammad, they respect him, value him, and celebrate his birthday grandly, for their hearts are filled with joy. If he were all that bad, would he have millions of lovers? Would his name be one of the most common name in the world today? Would his grave have millions of visitors annually? Would his mosque be so beautiful and grand?
Zamee546 6 months ago
@Zamee546 You said, "you are one who considers that majority wins"
You have a misunderstanding of a what human rights-based constitutional democracy is. In our most unislamic of systems the majority rules but with restrictions outlined in the constitution. The majority is not permitted to trample on the rights of individuals or minorities. And science and facts far outweigh religious mythology and tradition in the courts. Science rules. This is far better than islamic theocracy, aka caliphate.
frid9999 6 months ago
**by Muslims, spelling error
Zamee546 6 months ago
In response to what you mentioned about 'flavoring islam' , that's not what I meant, I tend fully rely on sources that make sense logically have authenticity i.e from reliable sources and Hadith which have been narrated and link with the Holy Qur'an. Likewise, an early Islamic phD scholar is one of my sources of reference.
Zamee546 6 months ago
Honestly, do you believe on the famous saying that goes 'practice what you preach?' the prophet was a preacher against every unethical and immoral act you have held him against, for he was sent to reform Islam and eradicate ignorance. Yes I put that argument forward for I expect you to look into the issue with a different viewpoint and scrutinize it by using common sense, almost every actio. Of the Prophet is practiced today my slims nation wide, and How on Earth can millions of people follow
Zamee546 6 months ago
@Zamee546 You said, "almost every action Of the Prophet is practiced today by muslims nation wide"
What are you talking about? Do muslims today take, sell and trade human slaves? Do muslims today rob travelers/caravans at sword point? Do muslims today reject human-right based constitutional democracy in favour of theocratic islamic caliphate? Do muslims today believe that women should not have equal rights as men?
Okay, you got me on those two.
frid9999 6 months ago
@frid9999 "those two" should be "those last two".
frid9999 6 months ago
You know, before we pinpoint controversial issues inti the life of the Prophet, let's try referring to scholars who have scrutinized every Hadith and narration which derives from early Islamic history. Ok Bukhari and other narrations state that even Aisha herself mentioned that she was 6. But refer back to what I said regarding the chapter of the moon, and Aisha being a young girl at that time, its contradicting,yes there are some haidth I am rejecting due to a slight historical weakness, and
Zamee546 6 months ago
@Zamee546 You said, "yes there are some haidth I am rejecting due to a slight historical weakness"
No, you are rejecting hadith solely on the basis of what fits into your chosen flavour of islam. You said so as much here, "how can a prophet of God even think of committing such an atrocious crime [non-consensual sex (ie rape) of a child]". You simply reject those hadith which make your prophet look bad - which is very, very many of them.
frid9999 6 months ago
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ktwothegreat 6 months ago
The Prophet married all his wives for legal, political and religious reasons, each of his marriage having a phenomenal moral behind it, and if he were to rape Aisha, don't you think that it would've been practiced as a sunnah today? But it's not, infact morally its considered to be a very hideous crime. Yes I know that Muslims even rape , but theres a major sin attached to it, and im pretty sure they're not doing it because they thought the Prophet 'did so'. Like I said previously, these Hadit
Zamee546 6 months ago
@Zamee546 You said, "if he were to rape Aisha, don't you think that it would've been practiced as a sunnah today?"
Are you really presenting such a poor argument? Do you want me to take you seriously or not?
You admit your prophet was a highwayman, armed robber and thief do you not? And yet most muslims are not thieves (or are they?) Maybe your prophet's very poor morals explains why the islamic world is such a failed society, decades or centuries behind other cultures?
frid9999 6 months ago
You know, before we pinpoint controversial issues inti the life of the Prophet, let's try referring to scholars who have scrutinized every Hadith and narration which derives from early Islamic history. Ok Bukhari and other narrations state that even Aisha herself mentioned that she was 6. But refer back to what I said regarding the chapter of the moon, and Aisha being a young girl at that time, contradicting, yes that's true, I am rejecting other Hadith simply because they do not befit such per
Zamee546 6 months ago
And considering how many narrations have been twisted, fabricated and usurped, Even if they may seem crystal clear , try examining this area mathematically , and you will hopefully conclude that this indeed is a false claim , by Muslims admittedly
Zamee546 6 months ago
Rape?! If you are extracting this from any narration, its likely to be a complete unreliable source, how can a prophet of God even think of committing such an atrocious crime, I advice you to please refer to scholars who have majored in Early Islamic History before you hurl such accusations against the Prophet of Islam
Zamee546 6 months ago
First of all, Most of the Hadith regarding the Holy Prophet's marriage to Aisha have been narrated by Hisham Ibne Urwah, who is in today's world an unreliable source due to the fact that in his later years, he mixed with people who fabricated Hadith, hence his chain of narration is not all that clear, Secondly,Bukhari has mentioned that Aisha was a young girl when the chapter of the moon was revealed to Mankind. This chapter was revealed 9 years before Hijrah, and if the Prophet married her on
Zamee546 6 months ago
@Zamee546 I understand your claims. But you are simply picking and choosing which hadith you choose to believe and which you choose to disbelieve. Bukhari V5, Book58, Hadith 234 and 236, narrated by Aisha contradict your claims and are clear that she was sold for dowry at 6 and raped at (about) 9 years of age.
And yes, "how can a prophet of God even think of committing such an atrocious crime?" And all his other crimes too.
frid9999 6 months ago
@frid9999 Correction... number 234 is reported as narrated by Aisha. Number 236 is reported as narrated by Hisham's father.
frid9999 6 months ago
I suppose I haven't been too clear, aishas eldest sister was 10 years older to her, hence if you were to mathematically prove it, Aisha was not 6 or 9 but was 17-18 for the holy prophet married her ion th 2nd year of Hijra
Zamee546 6 months ago
@Zamee546 ...According to the hadith you have chosen as authentic. Other hadith (Bukhari) are crystal clear that Aisha was 6 when she was sold off for dowry and 9 when she was raped by "the prophet".
frid9999 6 months ago
I would suggest you to watch the video on YouTube by Syed Ammar Nakshwani entitled as Did Muhammed marry 9year old Ayesha? And in reply to your question about Islam, the word comes from the root word Salama which means peace and yes submission to the will of God means submission to oppression ?
Zamee546 6 months ago
If that is so, than Asmaa was 27 when the Holy Prophet married Aisha which automatically throws light to the fact that Aisha was not 9 but was 17-18,
Zamee546 6 months ago
No, I do not mean that, apparently, I tend to consider authentic sources from someone who has learnt Islamic history, Aisha historically and logically was 17-18 for her eldest sister was 27 when the ho,y prophet married her. History states that the older sister Asma'a died in the 73rd year of Hijrah
Zamee546 6 months ago
A man no other has ever seen the like of, and you stupidly curse him, accuse him and draw cartoons of him?! Regarding his wife Aisha, authentic sources state that he was married to her when she was matured enough and that even for a valid reason.. Despite his sacrifices for humanity, why do still hate him? Is you anger a result of ignorance, foolishness or utter madness?
Zamee546 6 months ago
@Zamee546 You said, "Regarding his wife Aisha, authentic sources state that he was married to her when she was matured enough" What does that mean exactly? Do you mean 9 years old as so many muslims do?
frid9999 6 months ago
Falsehood, cruelty, oppression and malice has rendered about a huge misconception about the religion of Islam - which means peace. A religion whether right or wrong to humanity tends to be the second fastest growing religion today. Yes I do agree to the fact that a multitude of so called 'Muslims' are part of the ongoing happenings in the world today. My question is, why target on theIr Holy Prophet? Have you all bothered to even read his authentic biography? A man no other has ever seen the li
Zamee546 6 months ago
@Zamee546 You said, "the religion of Islam - which means peace".
Islam does not mean "peace". You knowledge of ancient arabic is poor. Islam means submission. And of course, in order to have submission you must have an oppressor to submit to.
frid9999 6 months ago
Nice! I like that kindergarten phrase with sound effects.
karthikbans 6 months ago
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PLEASE. A 9 YEAR OLD GIRL IS NOT PHYSICALLY NOR PSYCHOLOGICALLY READY FOR SEX OR MARRIAGE, THAT IS NOW OR 1400 YEARS AGO, EVERYWHERE, IN AFRICA, IN CHINA OR IN THE ANDES. SO DON'T SAY THAT HAVING SEX WITH A 9 YEAR OLD IS A CULTURAL THING, ETC. ADMIT IT, YOUR PROPHET WAS NOTHING BUT A PEDOPHILE. AICHA HERSELF REPEATS IT IN BUKHARI AND MUSLIM, THAT SHE WAS 6 WHEN HE MARRIED HER AND 9 WHEN THEY CONSUMMATED THE MARRIAGE AND SHE ADDS THAT SHE BROUGHT HER TOYS. WHO DO YOU WANT TO FOOL?
DictaduraNo123 6 months ago
@DictaduraNo123 Actually those hadiths was proven to be fabrication it was proven that aicha was between 16-19 years old it was proven by historians..in fact there are many fabrications in the man made hadith books..there are more false hadiths than they are truth..the books are man made..if you believe GOD is not 1 and that he had a son which is actually GOD himself..God impregnated MARY when is was only 12 years old when she was married to Joseph the Carpenter..she didnt even reach puberty
855842 6 months ago
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@855842 WHY DO MUSLIMS LIE IN THE NAME OF GOD? THE HADITHS WHERE AICHA CONFIRMS HERSELF THAT SHE WAS 6 WHEN MUHAMMED MARRIED HER AND 9 WHEN MUHAMMED CONSUMMATED THE MARRIAGE ARE NOT FABRICATED, AS YOU SAY. THEY ARE PART OF THE MOST AUTHENTIC AND RESPECTED HADITHS IN ISLAM, BUKHARI, MUSLIM. SHE REPEATS IT IN BUKHARI AND MUSLIM. SHE EVEN ADDS THAT SHE BROUGHT HER TOYS TO MUHAMMED'S HOUSE. MUSLIMS ALWAYS LIE WHEN A TEXT IN THE QURAN OR IN THE HADITHS SAY SOMETHING STUPID, CRUEL OR UNSCIENTIFIC
DictaduraNo123 6 months ago
@DictaduraNo123 DO YOU KNOW THE DEFINITION OF FABRICATION??? THERE ARE MANY FABRICATIONS IN THE HADITHS THE BOOKS ARE NOT FROM GOD THEY ARE MAN MADE AND WRITTEN HUNDREDS OF YEARS AFTER THE PROPHET..JUST LOOK AT THE HADITH BOOKS LIKE UR BIBLE UR BIBLE WAS WRITTEN HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF YEAR AFTER JESUS THERE R MANY ERRORS AND CONTRACTIONS N THE BIBLE YET YOU CHRISTIANS BELIEVE THE BIBLE IS WORD FOR WORD FROM GOD..WHAT ABOUT MARY?? THE MOTHER OF GOD SHE WAS 12 YEARS OLD WHEN GOD IMPREGNATED HER
855842 6 months ago
@DictaduraNo123 Ayesha’s age at the time of her marriage has never been an issue. If it were, his enemies must have picked up on this issue as they did to him on some other issues. Note that none of these Hadith reports concerning Ayesha’s controversial age of marriage with the Prophet goes back to the Prophet himself. In other words, it is not the Prophet himself who said Ayesha was 6 or 9.
ktwothegreat 6 months ago 2
@DictaduraNo123 Rev. Jerry Vines while speaking to the Pastors’ Conference of the Southern Baptist Convention, St. Louis, Missouri on June 10, 2002, called the Prophet of Islam, Muhammad (pbuh) a pedophile and demon-possessed. The Muslims all over the world were deeply offended by his remarks, as were many people of other faiths. While certainly both of these allegations about the person of the Prophet of Islam can be effectively rebutted.
ktwothegreat 6 months ago 2
@DictaduraNo123 The books (Hadith) written 200-300 years after the death of Muhammad(saw), while providing a good deal of historical information about him are not free from faulty, less than perfect and self-contradictory materials. These should not be taken as the final word for a Muslim. Several books of Hadith (Al-Bukhari and Al-Muslim, Abu Dawood, among other) and Islamic history (Tabari) report that Ayesha was married to the Prophet at 6 but her marriage was not consummated until she was 9.
ktwothegreat 6 months ago 2
@DictaduraNo123 Although, this information is widely quoted and found in many Hadith and history books, it must be noted that most of this information has come from a single person, Hisham bin Urwah, who is the last narrator of this Hadith Isnaad (chain of narration) on the authority of his father.Thus this Hadith is primarily a single Hadith. In general, a Hadith has more credibility if it is narrated by more people independently from diverse chains of narrators. Here basically only one source.
ktwothegreat 6 months ago
@DictaduraNo123 Despite the abundance of information available during the 71 years that Hisham bin Urwah lived and taught in Medina, it is rather odd that that no one else—not even his famous pupil Malik ibn Anas---reported Ayesha’s age from Hisham in Medina. Furthermore, all the narrators of this Hadith were Iraqis. Hisham is reported to have moved to Iraq in his later years.
ktwothegreat 6 months ago
Dic Ayesha is reported to have been born about eight years before Hijrah (around 614 A.D.), one can find another narrative in Bukhari (kitabu'l-tafseer) whereby Ayesha is reported to have said that she was a ‘young girl’ at the time of revelation of the 54th chapter of the Qur'an which came 9 years before Hijrah (around 612 A.D). Ayesha was a young girl (Jariyah—as she calls herself). Additionally, this narrative stands in direct contrast to the one reported on Ayesha’s age by Hisham bin Urwah.
ktwothegreat 6 months ago
@DictaduraNo123 According to many narratives, Ayesha participated in the battles of Badr and Uhud. No one older than 15 was allowed to accompany the Prophet’s army in the battle of Uhud. This applied across the board to all participants, men and women alike. The battle of Uhud took place around the 2nd Hijrah, a time line close to her marriage with the Prophet. Obviously, she was at least older than 15 at that time.
ktwothegreat 6 months ago
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@ktwothegreat HA HA HA....ACCORDNING "TO MANY NARRATIVES" AICHA PARTICIPATED IN THE BATTLE OF BADR". YOU SEE? YOU CONTRDICT YOURSELF. "MANY NARRATIVES" IS NOT A RELIABLE SOURCE, BUKHARI AND MUSLIM ARE RELIABLE SOURCES AND THEY ARE CONSIDERED THE MOST AUTHENTIC OF THE HADITHS. ADMIT IT, MUHAMEMD WAS A PEDOPHILE AND AISHA KNOWS BETTER THAN ANYBODY WHAT HAPPENED TO HER. SHE REPEATS IT IN BUKHARI AND MUSLIM THAT MUHAMMED FELL IN LOVE WITH HER AT 6 AND PENETRATED HER AT 9
DictaduraNo123 6 months ago
@DictaduraNo123 He ha He ha....why you are worried about Aeysha, leave this 1400 yrs old topic and consume/wast your energy for to days social problems like child and women sex trafficking all over the world.
ktwothegreat 6 months ago
@DictaduraNo123 Tabari reports that before migrating to Habashah, Abu Bakr planned to hand over his daughter, Ayesha to Mut’am’s son to whom she was engaged. But fearing persecution by the Quraish, Mut’am refused and his son divorced Ayesha. The migration to Habashah happened 8 years before Hijra. Obviously, at the time she was ready to take on responsibilities as a wife. If she married Muhammad in the 2nd Hijrah (623-624 A.D), she could not be less than 19 years of age.
ktwothegreat 6 months ago
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@ktwothegreat I KNOW BETTER THAN YOU AND I KNOW MUSLIMS VERY WELL. THEY LIE ALL THE TIME. EVERY TIME THE QURAN OR THE HADITHS SAY SOMETHING STUPID, CRUEL, UNSCIENTIFIC, THEN THERE IS A PROBLEM: "IT'S OUT OF CONTEXT", "IT'S BADLY TRANSLATED", ETC. OF COURSE THEY DON'T SAY THAT WHEN THEY QUOTE THINGS THEY LIKE. I REPEAT, AISHA KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED TO HER BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE AND SHE REPEATS IT IN THE MOST AUTHENTIC OF THE HADITHS, MUSLISM AND BUKHARI THAT HER MERRIAGE WAS CONSUMMATED AT 9
DictaduraNo123 6 months ago
@DictaduraNo123 Ayesha’s age at the time of her marriage has never been an issue. If it were, his enemies must have picked up on this issue as they did to him on some other issues. Also, the reader must note that none of these Hadith reports concerning Ayesha’s controversial age of marriage with the Prophet goes back to the Prophet himself. In other words, it is not the Prophet himself who said Ayesha was 6 or 9.
ktwothegreat 6 months ago 2
@DictaduraNo123 Yaqub ibn Shaibah is reported to have said, “narratives reported by Hisham are reliable except those that are reported through the people of Iraq". Malik ibn Anas (d. 795), a student of Hisham in fact discredited all narratives of Hisham that were reported through people of Iraq.
ktwothegreat 6 months ago
@jaga454 What specifically are you talking about?
WarrenEdwardBuffet 1 year ago
@jaga454 I have another example for you. In Bukhari V3, Book 41, 598 we have muhammed selling a former slave back into slavery because his ex-master had an outstanding debt to pay off. So we have muhammed personally ordering a human being into slavery. And this is the man whom you think delivered an invisible god's final expectations to us all? You think this man's moral code is an example for us to follow?
How many more examples do you need that your religion is not what it claims to be?
frid9999 1 year ago
@jaga454 It seems like you are the one in need of education. That's what the muslims want you to believe. He married her so she would be sexual property. He was a fucking sick pedo but your are to ignorant to see that. I have done my research I have even.....sadly read the fucking Quaran. And there religion is SICK! You know nothing about muhammed. Your just talking out of your ass. Im not going to argue with you beyond this point. But I just had to correct your stupidity.
LauraStar11 1 year ago
@LauraStar11 ur da dumbass, ur da sick 1, an dnt u ever spread false lies bwt our beloved prophet (pbuh)
aneesa7861 9 months ago
@aneesa7861 Im sorry, but I don't argue with morons. I couldn't even understand a single thing you said. Please learn to spell before insulting someone.
May muhammed burn in hell. ♥
LauraStar11 8 months ago
@LauraStar11 well don't argue with yourself then and just accept it that Islam is the best (no offense to other religions) and that your the moron for being a coach vegetable watching the so called 'news' feed false information about muslims and you being the dumb-ass as you are don't understand what they are trying to do, and that is slang writing stupid people like you never understand that, and as for your snarky comment at the end we will see who says what on the day of judgment
aneesa7861 8 months ago
War against islam is invevitable... Let's just not wait till it becomes too powerfull..
SharikTheReal 1 year ago
@jaga454 I feel I have to elaborate on my comment of "LMAO!" I left earlier. Are you for real? Re-read what you wrote. You are justifying the purchase of a 6 year-old girl as sexual property by saying, "her family was so poor that they desperately needed him so mohammed married her so he can share his authority and money with this family"
You are living proof that islam rots the brain and the human spirit, leaving behind a shell of a human being who is incapable of telling right from wrong.
frid9999 1 year ago
@frid9999 u r rong u arse an da person dat sed da prophet had to marry da girl cuz her family were poor, is right u need 2 read da Quraan, u idiot
aneesa7861 9 months ago
@jaga454 Mohammed the perv was a sandnigga...white sandnigga? LOL
Fyromonkey 1 year ago
@Fyromonkey fuk off u disgrace
aneesa7861 9 months ago
@jaga454 White, yes. Clean, no.
frid9999 1 year ago