Mr. Paines rants have evidently hit a nerve somewhere with I guess what you would call unintellectual Americans. I hope the other 2428 that watched your video were not like me and found your video by accident. If this is a reflection on how many people listen to your radio show and keep up with you please prepare yourself for unemployment. Can you say"supersize that for 50 cent? sir".
Mr. Hartman needs to realize his video (this one) has a total of 2411 views and Mr. Paine is about to hit 10 million.... I will bet Mr. Hartman a thousand dollars ($1000.00) to the charty of his choice, this one never hits a million in the same length of time... Put you money where your mouth is. Talk is cheap.
@davide121100 What an interesting proposition? Do the number of views determine the intellectual merit of the video? Do they determine the factual accuracy of them?
One other thing, Mr. Paine is dead: has been for a long time. That other guy...well, he is a fraud.
You're right we don't want social security... we didn't want it then and we don't want it now. It doesn't exist. It's a nice jerkoff theory but FDR rammed it in our asses and look it at. It's bankrupt. What an economic illiterate.
"How dare you, my government, pass the largest spending bill in history, and you don't ask me, the American citizen, for my input." IDIOT! We don't live in a democracy, moron, we live in a republic. They aren't SUPPOSED to ask for your input. You elect them, they do what you elected them for, or you vote them out. That's how our government has always worked. You, the American citizen, give your input by not re-electing anyone who doesn't do what you want, including big spending republicans.
@LanceDirk The US both a republic and a democracy. To be specific: The US is a constitutional republic (not all republics are constitutional such as China). The US is a representative democracy and a social democracy (you are using the term democracy as if it only refers to direct democracy which is incorrect).
@MarmaladeINFP Thanks, I see your point. I think it's still valid though, my point that where the federal government is concerned, voters give their input by electing representatives, and there is no constitutional mechanism for voters to directly affect bills or votes of congress. So it still is a moot complaint by Beck to say that the representatives should have asked for the approval of voters. Maybe it's a good political move to ask for their input, but it's not required.
@LanceDirk Some people use democracy in a way that means direct democracy (two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner), but generally that definition is only used by those on the far right because they don't like the word 'democracy' because it sounds too much like Democrat. It does seem that the founding fathers used the term republic to mean representative democracy. And, yes, you are correct that a representative democracy doesn't require voter approval of every decision.
Communists are communists (That does NOT equate tyranny btw) SOME progressives were varying degrees of socialist, but most were just true leftist democrats. Prohibition was championed by christian progressives.
Learn the storied history of these terms you sling around like some watery Molotov cocktail dud.
"The more perfect civilization is, the less occasion has it for government, because the more does it regulate its own affairs and govern it." Rights of Man p. 189 "Society is produced by our wants, and government by our wickedness; the former promotes our happiness positively by uniting our affections, the latter negatively by restraining our vices. The one encourages intercourse, the other creates distinctions. The first is a patron, the last a punisher. Common Sense, pg. 17
@jschmidt0676 Nice quotes. What many on the right don't understand is that Progressive Era big govt came after a century or more of society failing the poor and working class, women and minorities. It began with grassroots populism which was a revolt against big business. If people were able to find solutions on the local level, they never would have turned to big govt. Yes, big govt is an imperfect solution, but it was a response to real problems that only big govt could or would deal with.
"Ronald Reagan, a new deal democrat" what a bunch of B.S. He worked within the framework of what he had to achieve the individualistic ideology that he believed in. I heard enough windy words in the first paragraph to identify this blabbering buffoon as a idealistic dreamer to not give his show a second thought. Additionally, you dems and reps like to lay claim to people like Paine which doesn't fit into either of your boxes, his philosophy transcends both of your partisan nonsenses.
@tantrikwizard That is just a fact. Ronald Reagan was a New Deal Democrat. He voted Democrat and was the head of a union. It wasn't until during or after the McCarthy era that he became a neocon Republican. Reagan is the very definition of a neocon. He started as a liberal, but became cynical and so changed sides.
The author isn't claiming Paine was a Democrat. He is pointing out Paine was a populist liberal and progressive which is very different than what the Democratic party stands for.
@MarmaladeINFP Actually, its that the Democratic party never really stood for what it should have. Paine was one of the only real democrats. Jefferson was like Obama is now, and Franklin Roosevelt was still only a little more to the left.
@KamuiMosir Even with the Civil Rights movement, the Democratic Party only took a side after a lot of protests and violence had already happened. The Democratic Party sometimes responds to the liberal and progressive movement, but the Democratic Party never leads. However, I guess responding to change is better than fighting against it as has become the norm for the GOP. Your comparison of Obama and Jefferson is quite humorous. I can sort of see that. :)
read some of his works its true i assure you it would become evident that in fact he was probably more left oriented than the curent democratic party you can pick up a copy of thomas paines rights of man in just about any book store the truth is in his book if your interested
John Adams, Gouverneur Morris, and later John Calhoun, are your conservative founders. You should shut up and feel proud that your team, the aristocratic wealthy elites of the nation have mostly won the game and own DC in whole
Read Thomas Frank's deconstruction of Becky Glenn's book "Common Sense" on Frank's website. Beck knows about as much of the true nature of Paine's thoughts as Wolbert the Dog.
That video series is enough to make any scholar of history projectile vomit. But since when has the far right even paid pale lip service to the truth? Even when they do approach anything reminiscent of the truth, it is taken out of context, edited and twisted so cruelly as to make a damnable lie more honest.
Mr. Paines rants have evidently hit a nerve somewhere with I guess what you would call unintellectual Americans. I hope the other 2428 that watched your video were not like me and found your video by accident. If this is a reflection on how many people listen to your radio show and keep up with you please prepare yourself for unemployment. Can you say"supersize that for 50 cent? sir".
davide121100 7 months ago
Mr. Hartman needs to realize his video (this one) has a total of 2411 views and Mr. Paine is about to hit 10 million.... I will bet Mr. Hartman a thousand dollars ($1000.00) to the charty of his choice, this one never hits a million in the same length of time... Put you money where your mouth is. Talk is cheap.
davide121100 7 months ago
@davide121100 What an interesting proposition? Do the number of views determine the intellectual merit of the video? Do they determine the factual accuracy of them?
One other thing, Mr. Paine is dead: has been for a long time. That other guy...well, he is a fraud.
threefiveZ 7 months ago
You're right we don't want social security... we didn't want it then and we don't want it now. It doesn't exist. It's a nice jerkoff theory but FDR rammed it in our asses and look it at. It's bankrupt. What an economic illiterate.
mec554 1 year ago
Loser!
seahorse1945 1 year ago
Thumbs up if you just noticed that Thomas Paine was the first T-Paine?
AJ4710 1 year ago
"How dare you, my government, pass the largest spending bill in history, and you don't ask me, the American citizen, for my input." IDIOT! We don't live in a democracy, moron, we live in a republic. They aren't SUPPOSED to ask for your input. You elect them, they do what you elected them for, or you vote them out. That's how our government has always worked. You, the American citizen, give your input by not re-electing anyone who doesn't do what you want, including big spending republicans.
LanceDirk 1 year ago
@LanceDirk The US both a republic and a democracy. To be specific: The US is a constitutional republic (not all republics are constitutional such as China). The US is a representative democracy and a social democracy (you are using the term democracy as if it only refers to direct democracy which is incorrect).
benjamindavidsteele.wordpress. com/2010/08/14/us-republic-democracy/
benjamindavidsteele.wordpress. com/2010/08/17/us-republic-democracy-pt-2/
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
@MarmaladeINFP Thanks, I see your point. I think it's still valid though, my point that where the federal government is concerned, voters give their input by electing representatives, and there is no constitutional mechanism for voters to directly affect bills or votes of congress. So it still is a moot complaint by Beck to say that the representatives should have asked for the approval of voters. Maybe it's a good political move to ask for their input, but it's not required.
LanceDirk 1 year ago
@LanceDirk Some people use democracy in a way that means direct democracy (two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner), but generally that definition is only used by those on the far right because they don't like the word 'democracy' because it sounds too much like Democrat. It does seem that the founding fathers used the term republic to mean representative democracy. And, yes, you are correct that a representative democracy doesn't require voter approval of every decision.
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
Progressive means communism!!!Read The Red Book!!100 years of the left wing bullshit hating america scum bags.
WhatCanIsay100 1 year ago
@WhatCanIsay100 Right wing means paranoid delusion!!! Read Glenn Beck's books!!! 100 years of right wing bullshit hating america scum bags.
LOL
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
@WhatCanIsay100 Oh hardly!
Communists are communists (That does NOT equate tyranny btw) SOME progressives were varying degrees of socialist, but most were just true leftist democrats. Prohibition was championed by christian progressives.
Learn the storied history of these terms you sling around like some watery Molotov cocktail dud.
KamuiMosir 1 year ago
"The more perfect civilization is, the less occasion has it for government, because the more does it regulate its own affairs and govern it." Rights of Man p. 189 "Society is produced by our wants, and government by our wickedness; the former promotes our happiness positively by uniting our affections, the latter negatively by restraining our vices. The one encourages intercourse, the other creates distinctions. The first is a patron, the last a punisher. Common Sense, pg. 17
jschmidt0676 1 year ago
@jschmidt0676 Nice quotes. What many on the right don't understand is that Progressive Era big govt came after a century or more of society failing the poor and working class, women and minorities. It began with grassroots populism which was a revolt against big business. If people were able to find solutions on the local level, they never would have turned to big govt. Yes, big govt is an imperfect solution, but it was a response to real problems that only big govt could or would deal with.
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
"Ronald Reagan, a new deal democrat" what a bunch of B.S. He worked within the framework of what he had to achieve the individualistic ideology that he believed in. I heard enough windy words in the first paragraph to identify this blabbering buffoon as a idealistic dreamer to not give his show a second thought. Additionally, you dems and reps like to lay claim to people like Paine which doesn't fit into either of your boxes, his philosophy transcends both of your partisan nonsenses.
tantrikwizard 1 year ago
@tantrikwizard bless you. I so totally agree. the hell with the eagle and its broken wings.
TheMass33 1 year ago
@tantrikwizard That is just a fact. Ronald Reagan was a New Deal Democrat. He voted Democrat and was the head of a union. It wasn't until during or after the McCarthy era that he became a neocon Republican. Reagan is the very definition of a neocon. He started as a liberal, but became cynical and so changed sides.
The author isn't claiming Paine was a Democrat. He is pointing out Paine was a populist liberal and progressive which is very different than what the Democratic party stands for.
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
@MarmaladeINFP Actually, its that the Democratic party never really stood for what it should have. Paine was one of the only real democrats. Jefferson was like Obama is now, and Franklin Roosevelt was still only a little more to the left.
KamuiMosir 1 year ago
@KamuiMosir Even with the Civil Rights movement, the Democratic Party only took a side after a lot of protests and violence had already happened. The Democratic Party sometimes responds to the liberal and progressive movement, but the Democratic Party never leads. However, I guess responding to change is better than fighting against it as has become the norm for the GOP. Your comparison of Obama and Jefferson is quite humorous. I can sort of see that. :)
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
Typical left wing bullshit.
WBradio 1 year ago
read some of his works its true i assure you it would become evident that in fact he was probably more left oriented than the curent democratic party you can pick up a copy of thomas paines rights of man in just about any book store the truth is in his book if your interested
epiphanyofreason8 1 year ago
@WBradio
Everything Thomas Paine said was left wing bullshit, then. Just like the other Founders.
nafaidni 1 year ago
@nafaidni Wait... Are you from he US?
John Adams, Gouverneur Morris, and later John Calhoun, are your conservative founders. You should shut up and feel proud that your team, the aristocratic wealthy elites of the nation have mostly won the game and own DC in whole
KamuiMosir 1 year ago
@WBradio Yeah, too many facts. Damn hippies and their learnin'
KamuiMosir 1 year ago
Read Thomas Frank's deconstruction of Becky Glenn's book "Common Sense" on Frank's website. Beck knows about as much of the true nature of Paine's thoughts as Wolbert the Dog.
bapyou 1 year ago
I'm so glad that this topic was discussed. When I saw that poser on Glenn Beck's show, I was pretty upset.
discoknox 2 years ago
That video series is enough to make any scholar of history projectile vomit. But since when has the far right even paid pale lip service to the truth? Even when they do approach anything reminiscent of the truth, it is taken out of context, edited and twisted so cruelly as to make a damnable lie more honest.
Plutonwolf 2 years ago 12
@Plutonwolf So is the left, that's media. Are you a scholar? Trust me he knows his Paine.
koss121 1 year ago