Charlie Rose - Alex Ross

[azuzaj1]

there is only one Alex Ross. And he's in comics.

[alexross8]

@azuzaj1

My name is Alex Ross

[thehognias]

@azuzaj1

yeah wtf this guy doesn't draw x-men gtfoh

[riethc]

I don't know, most modern "serious" music seems to take the joy out of music. I'd rather listen to Bach or Mozart then any modern composers I've heard.

Jazz, soul and rock and roll seem more important than the "serious" music of the 20th century because, at least early on, those styles were more life affirming. Most modern music seems to come from the mind of the depressed and lunatics.

[darkmacty]

@riethc There's a lot of modern classical music out there. I wouldn't be so quick to write it all off. The Beatles were influenced by Stockhausen, Frank Zappa was influenced by Stravinsky, Ellington was influenced by Varese. You probably haven't given modern classical the appropriate time to resonate. Have you tried listening to Arvo Part, Philip Glass, Steve Reich? If you can appreciate jazz, there's no reason you can't get into Gershwin or Stravinksy's "Ebony Concerto"...

[riethc]

@darkmacty You do realize that my post was from over a year ago?

[darkmacty]

@riethc Yes.

[apollomwj]

I love this book.

[CommonOddity]

Yabble deeble dop?

[marky1333]

Watch "japanse parliament debate 911"

[gldmj55]

I think the works of Charles Ives is America's greatest contribution to serious music.

[tonireed1]

the reason i don't like ives is that his music is pure intellect sans divine feel. sure it has the feel of emotion but that will only make us emote. it will not enable us to lose ourselves inside of it and bcome of all space. it can be likened to paintings by picasso, all blow and no go.

[TheReactorSings]

I really can't get behind that opening statement - I'm no great Ives fan, but I think there's a monumental, ecstatic impulse in much of his music (consider his interest in the New England Transcendentalists). Ives' work may be technically sophisticated in many respects, but it's also incredibly visceral, and you can hardly accuse the composer of 'The Unanswered Question' of being coldly intellectual. Whether or not he has the 'divine feel' is a matter I don't feel equipped to comment on.

[tonireed1]

You probably have had at least a moment, doing what ever it is that you feel most akin to, where you FEEL utterly peaceful, contented--where if you did that for the rest of your life it would be just fine. For example--playing tennis-when I get IN suddenly I FEEL all of the space as though one with it. There is no fear, no missing all becomes joyous. Or while watching pelicans swoop low over the water you can get the Gs with them because space and time are different. Non existent! You BECOME!

[tonireed1]

And the great thing about BECOMING is that there are always more attainable levels--of dare I say contemplative mysticism. Try questing you'll eventually like IT. : )

[creole60]

Jazz is so much more interesting than classical.

[tonireed1]

What I look for in a musical piece or any type of art is not whether it is interesting but if the artist gets into the 'zone' as he performs or creates it, because then the sublime, the unutterable, the 'x' factor 9call it what you will) will be there radiating from it--a charisma, if you will, that awakens my soul and lets me know, in an indivisable way--heaven again. Is it ever like that for you?

[creole60]

Yes! Yes! You worded the experience perfectly. The artist for me that comes to mind, that has given me that kind of experience you speak of...is Miles Davis. In fact, the entire "Sketches Of Spain" album is what I thought of first when I read your comment.

[tonireed1]

Thanks for your response! I am an artist that also likes to discuss the process of art-especially when one is in the act of creation and can view themselves in it as both observer and observed. Alot of artists think if you discuss 'it' it all goes away. Nonsense! When you are in and you silence your thinking you can 'know' with your feeling sense. Have you had the zone experience in another area as well?

[bandgeek5804]

When I hear that, I think of Schoenberg, Mahler, Beethoven, Scriabin, Berg.

To each his own, I suppose :)

[tonireed1]

what is that 'feeling' like for you? do you utterly lose yourself for awhile and suddenly realize that you were one with the sound?????????? just curious how the process works in you.  : )

[bandgeek5804]

It's kind of hard to describe.

Usually, when you listen to a piece of music and someone starts talking to you, you can stop listening and pay attention to them. You can do homework with it on in the background, drive with it, etc. With classical, I can't. It commands my attention, or at least good pieces do. The music will disrupt my conversations, cause me to run red lights, miscalculate my math homework. Do you get the idea?

[tonireed1]

yes totally. you are utterly feeling classical music so that you feel it with your soul as you mingle with space and lose time which is a human thought construct. the great thing is that once you hone in on the subtle feeling within yourself that comes with the music you can begin to experience the same thing in other areas of your life by finding the same subtle feeling in all. physicists call this kind of space unified. one day you will go on such a quest.

[tonireed1]

the reason that happens is the composers of the great pieces were able to become of art-of their soul-of creation call it what you will. so when you hear it your soul responds to theirs because it is a mirror reflection of their inner self. and because you feel it so means you have attained some measure of consciousness. and of course the people playing it must also be able to radiate it or you will not feel it.