Bill O'Reilly and Ben Stein on Intelligent Design

[TJae1]

testin'

[TJae1]

yeah, what proof is there?... evolution has failed the public...

[TJae1]

Go, Go, Buster Ben, go, go...

[YourTubeSpellChecker]

Scholars like Ben Stein and Kirk Cameron or scholars like Bertrand Russell, Stephen Hawkins, and Richard Dawkins? You KNOW who's right.

[patcondellTGAGroup]

Actually, True to life, she was gobbled up by the Big Bad Wolf?

He to was an Atheist?

[everybodysfavourite]

im really surprised that a guy this smart, BEN STEIN is actually a proponent of Intelly Design. IM rocked to my very foundations!!! oh no Ben, we've lost you=(

[patcondellTGAGroup]

Thank God, He came to his senses?

[366z0rs]

Purrsecuted.

[AuShawster]

Poems are made by fools like me,

But only God could make a tree.

But only God who makes the tree,

Also makes the fools like me.

But only fools like me you see,

Can make a God who makes a tree.

Yip Harburg

Writer of Somewhere over the Rainbow

[patcondellTGAGroup]

And I am sure he was over a Rainbow, Smoking The Weed?

[AuShawster]

patcondellTGAGroup It is obvious that you have been well indoctrinated. Do you plan to vote for McCain?.. LOL.. Even in bible thumping America the pendulum is swinging back.. Only ultra deluded evangelicals could be so closed minded to deny evolution. What do you think...You're going to get extra brownie points in heaven.. for completely evading reality.?

[patcondellTGAGroup]

Who said anything about me going to heaven?

I have as much chance as you ever becoming president?

Real Christians should not even get involved in politics to be honest, and most certainly not vote, even if the dumb politician is a Christian? Christians who think life is some kind of test are also deluded, Seriously if the earth is formed, there's reason for it?

[hbar1212]

Woa. Science is not a bunch of fact exactly the same as one type of math. Science is a way of thinking ie.k in other words, to question facts. Of course the school system is training followers and not leaders, lab techs and not scientists, so science is taught on a very low level. Actually we would do better to train everyone to be a leader as we have to lead ourselves and vote. The cell has autonomy and can exist outside the body, as an analogy.

[jaekent]

do you want to start truly understanding?

3: Zeitgeist ( the expanded Present )

2: Sumerian's ( the distant Past )

1: Nibiru ( the near Future )

... just to start. read, ask questions and never be weak minded.

[rmessenger]

This video is raising my blood pressure. First, science is not about presenting all the opinions and letting people decide! It's not "Some people believe this, some belive this.. etc.." Do you think kids should be taught Astrology in Astronomy class??

[patcondellTGAGroup]

No Astrology is as false as Darwinism.

If your problem Persists, with the raising of the blood pressure,

I would advise you to see your Doctor Sir?

[rmessenger]

Excuse me. People who believe ID are being PERSECUTED? ID was designed to pretend to be a scientific theory as a part of a larger strategy to sell creationism to the public as if it was credible science.

[patcondellTGAGroup]

I shall stand under a tree and Jump up grab the branches and swing, whilst making some monkey noises, maybe it will make me feel like my old self or our ancestors!!!

[Tuvoc310]

#7 "If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down".

Charles Darwin

[Tuvoc310]

#6 Moreover, Miller ignored the fact that any evolutionary explanation of a system must account for much more than simply the availability of the parts. Example: Vital parts of a car engine lay on a garage floor. No doubt these parts could have come from other machines but no combination of them will produce a working engine until all are correctly put in place. Each step in its construction leaves it without function until the last part is installed. IRREDUCIBLE COMPLEXITY STANDS.

[Tuvoc310]

#5 Only by reverse-engineering a system to test for function at each transitional stage can one determine if a system has "reducible complexity" or "irreducible complexity." The ability to find function for some sub-part, such as the injection function of the Type III Secretory System (which only contains approximately 1/4 of the genes of bacterial flagellum), does not negate the irreducible complexity of the final system.

[Tuvoc310]

#4 In Miller vs Behe, Miller's typical Evol backtracking only underlines the desperation of Evolutionist. Miller's characterization ignores the fact that irreducible complexity is defined by testing the ability of the final system to evolve in a step-by-step fashion in which function may not exist at each step.

[Tuvoc310]

#3 Given limited possibilities (Evolution or Creation) when one is falsified through empirical observation the other can be assumed true unless it is also falsified or a third possibility emerges. Falsifying a competing theorem while the other remains un-falsified is a TEST of validity.

[Tuvoc310]

#2 Darwin said himself that if any thing was ever found that could not be explained by numerous small changes, his Theory would break down. Molecular machines are like mouse traps, in that, ALL components MUST be present simultaneously in order for it to work at all. Evol Theory has been proven false through empirical observation. I.D is TESTABLE. HOW? #3

[Tuvoc310]

#1 Design is detectable in many "molecular machines," including the bacterial flagellum. This tiny flagellar motor needs all of its parts to function & is "IRREDUCIBLY COMPLEX". Such systems are a hallmark of designed systems, because they require the foresight that is the exclusive jurisdiction of intelligent agents. Darwin's natural selection and random variations, in contrast, requires a functional system at each transition along the way.

[surfingthechaos]

It's easy to have 5 stars when your ratings are disabled.

[patcondellTGAGroup]

Yes it does help stop the Atheist Numbskulls

that enjoy rating down material because they fear its contents? I suppose an Animal will always be an animal?

[surfingthechaos]

You're the one acting out of fear.

[patcondellTGAGroup]

How is that, I believe in God, you do not?

I know when people come to see the day, I always believed, As I am absolutely confident Evolution Can Not Will Not Ever Happen, unless ID is doing it.

But I am sure Evolution scientist will come up with something new to fool the simpletons & conformist's for a few more years, until it is proved false again, just like Darwinism.

[patcondellTGAGroup]

See, it is amazing how such so called intelligent intellectuals, still try to use an 18th century idea? where by people still used candles for lighting and take it as gospel?

When will they learn?

When something does not work, 'you change it.

[quedorf]

First evolution theory is not an 18th century idea. it evolves lust like the animal kingdom. We test and learn more about evolution, as we advance knowledge. All science is based on change. It is never totally correct at the beginning, but we use our intelligence and evolving knowledge to perfect the theory.

[patcondellTGAGroup]

You can not perfect a Theory, a Theory is not Real or Fact?

[quedorf]

A theory by definition is a "testable model capable of predicting future occurrences or observations of the same kind. Also capable of being tested through experiment or falsified. In science theory and fact are not necessarily in opposition." No I agree it cannot be perfected, but only because we are continually advancing our knowledge and refining the theory.

[patcondellTGAGroup]

Yes I am sure, Just in the same way Global Warming is not happening? yet again you trust your government who do nothing to help in policy and merely say it is false?

Best that the Christians of the world be as stubborn?

[quedorf]

Global warming does happen, and is happening. The cause is a amalgam of several reasons, and no I do not trust what government says. I do my own research, and come up with my own diagnosis.  Also most governments of the world admit it is happening, just don't agree on what extent, and the causes.

[quedorf]

Second the creationists, and ID followers are using a first century idea. Where magical men created earth, and dinosaurs roamed as friends of the humans. Does that seem reasonable.

[patcondellTGAGroup]

Yes it does, Only the mentally insane can believe you can have a perfectly intact bone structure that is over a 100 millions of years in age?

I also suppose you had paleontologist in ancient Egypt drawing and painting there discovery's on walls with detail?

[quedorf]

No only someone who is insane can believe the foolishness written in the bible, and that a magic man created all life. And as far as the bone. That is fossilization. I suppose you don't believe that either.

[surfingthechaos]

Fossils are not perfectly intact bones. Do some research.

[patcondellTGAGroup]

some have been?

[patcondellTGAGroup]

Just buried in dirt or sand as in so called fossils found in Argentina. obviously anything a few thousand years turns to a kind of rock ferment, Also does not carbon dating vary on extreme weather conditions?

[surfingthechaos]

When something does not work you change it, but we haven't found anything better. In fact every single piece of evidence we have found since then backs it up. Wether or not it's from the 18th century doesn't make any difference. Newtonian physics was developed in the 17th century and we wouldn't have been able to develop relativity or quantum theory without those basics to build upon.

[patcondellTGAGroup]

Thats amazing, We sent satellites to space, place man on the moon, complete a digital era,

have cures for most diseases, heart transplants,

Micro surgery, Split the Atom, etc etc etc,

And still we work on the same basis on 18th Century Darwinism?

[quedorf]

This just shows how much you know about evolution. Darwin proposed the hypothesis, and created the theory, but it has been improved over the years. Like all science it is refined. This is where ID and creationism are not true science. It just continues to say the same thing. God made us. No advancements in knowledge, only a change in the terms.

[patcondellTGAGroup]

Oh have you not noticed, Anyone who is more advanced with all modern concepts of evolution science in today's study, which Darwin simply never had. Who is able to see the impossibility or creating of new theory's in evolution, just seem to be shown the back door, Can you not see a clip in the film,

Religion its just fantasy one quotes!

Very intelligent man of science is he not for making such statements?

[patcondellTGAGroup]

Seriously American's your great people but stop loving the english heritage, they do not feel the same about you? This Country has been at the forefront for hundreds of years robbing to make it what it is today, and the power of persuasion is ever greater than the Americans, hence even with science holds the forefront of your thinking.

[patcondellTGAGroup]

The English hierarchy are Simply the best con artists know to man.

How else do your government learn how to con its own nation to go to war on so many occasions, the Brits have moved on and your stuck with the mentality?

[quedorf]

Well I am not american. And as far as people being shown the back door. What would you do if a teacher decided to teach your child 3+4=65. Would you like that. Same goes for evolution. It is an observed fact, and to teach religion because of a few fundamentalists is not what the education system is about. We try to teach the children so they can be useful members of society, not religious extremists. leave that to the church.

[patcondellTGAGroup]

These people were not Christian Scientists?

They were simply putting forward a suggestion because of Evolution scientist were teaching 3+4=65. They could see evidence that show ID is probable.

They are Not stupid individuals, that do not know their the difference between deliberate

cover ups for the sake of your debunked evolution lies! Get over it, because you obviously have to have others to think for you, because it suits your lifestyle with little conscience. Simpleton conformist!

[surfingthechaos]

Pretty cool, huh?

[rmessenger]

You stupid fuck. When your video gets one star, it's not because the atheists have conspired against you, it's because your video is crap, and you and Bill O'Reilly are dumb dumbs who don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

[patcondellTGAGroup]

Please See My Vid;

Tribute To Darwin, I think I hit the nail on the head with you on this vid!!!

[surfingthechaos]

Hey you moved my comment around.

[patcondellTGAGroup]

I do not know how ? Strange!

[Giles20]

Teach Intelligent Design by all means! However, I dont want it in my science class. ID is not science, Evolution is. Teach it in Religous studies classes, i would have no objections at all.

[bigbaytzem]

Ben Stein is such a genius. Full of facts. When he mentions Einstein and Newton do you notice he doesn't use quotes but always a faux and twisted paraphrase. Like people are too stupid to do their own interpretation.

[KP1988]

Also, it is wrong for ID proponents to say Evolution is incorrect due to a few "gaps". Even in ID there are some gaps, such as where the designer came from, but they don't worry about these. In the end, while Evolution has may have some gaps in it, they are few and far between.

[patcondellTGAGroup]

Would you fly in a plane if the engineer told you there are a few parts missing in the engines?

[KP1988]

I don't care if someone wants to believe in Intelligent Design or Evolution but ID shouldn't be taught in school. ID suggests that a higher power aka a diety, gave nature a specific design. Unless they can provide scientific evidence and a testable hypothesis it should not be taught in science class because it is not a science.

[patcondellTGAGroup]

I can see this point leading to why there is an up rising of massacre shootings in schools etc in the US, lovers of guns and the worship of evil idols, forgotten morals. Teach all other things but when you need explain to your child what is right or wrong, the thought in an intelligent mind would question why fear wrong, 'but the law, example the porn industries etc. why tell them it is wrong to involve them selfs if they earn good money.

[patcondellTGAGroup]

Continued:

Sexual transmission diseases, adultery, Good moral communication, materialistic minds, Respect, unwanted births, Terminations, etc etc etc, The missing piece of the jigsaw in Education. 'Simple Logic'

[cjunk351]

Do you have children?

[patcondellTGAGroup]

yes

[quedorf]

Talking about pinheads. These two are the poster boys for pin heads. What do they mean Darwin does not explain the creation of life. he never intended to. his theory was evolution. These two show their simple ignorance of the whole subject the minute they open their mouths.

[patcondellTGAGroup]

Pinheads?

That is why they are sitting there, and you here?

[quedorf]

where are they sitting. In a TV studio.  I am so impressed. They are showing there simple lack of knowledge of the subject, and to sit there and expect people with rational minds to be impressed to the point of agreeing with their opinion, to me makes them pinheads. If they made any true statements in the whole interview, then maybe I would rescind the evaluation, but since they both just babbled nonsense, i stick with my original judgment.

[patcondellTGAGroup]

Fair statement. But judgmental people normally have a problematic personality?

[quedorf]

No......just call an apple an apple. Might be something fundamentalists might want to try.

[patcondellTGAGroup]

Oh I see, your perception of me is one of a fundamentalists for showing a video?

Interesting, because by the amount of attention and some of the continued majority of postings being made are by Evolutionist, would seem to me to be the fundamentalists here?

[quedorf]

First are you aware what a fundamentalist is. Second. I didn't call you a fundamentalist. I don't know you. Third. Most of these people remark because they are having fun. Beyond youtube They couldn't truly care of the creationists view.

[patcondellTGAGroup]

Ahh how do you know I am not having fun???

[quedorf]

Don't know. Never could. Thus is why I was just stating that fundamentalists may want to try, and not directly you.

[cmurphy8]

Thats a completely unfair statement. Quedorf would never be allowed to host on Fox if he believed in evolution, you know that. You can believe in the creationist stuff all you want but you know that this news story is slanted. You creationists are spinning the situation. All legitimate scientists agree that evolution is a fact but it is the explation of that fact (the theory) which cannot be agreed on.

[patcondellTGAGroup]

No theory will ever become Fact unless Proved.

Evolution No Proof No Fact.

[quedorf]

That is where you are wrong. Evolution does happen, evolutionary theory is a theory. Anyone with a basic science background would know this. Evolution is a process which happens without any doubt. The theory is a method at which evolution works. this is a theory, and yes not necessarily a fact.

[patcondellTGAGroup]

If human kind were here 20,000 years I would think there would be a great number of people trying to live in a desert because of cramped conditions? unless one believes in the Great Flood of Course?

[quedorf]

Sorry, but that makes no sense at all. What are you talking about

[patcondellTGAGroup]

HPC Human population Calculation, research and work it out.

[Giles20]

Jesus christ, are you saying you believe the world is less than 10k years old?

Well, for a start, humans did not develop agriculture until roughly 10k years ago, hence why we were mostly hunter gathers before then. As hunter gathers, we were unable to support a large population due to lack of constant food. Also, the real population boom did not start until the last few centuries due to advancements in medicine, etc.

[patcondellTGAGroup]

Yes Mr Monkey!

[cjunk351]

Actually Evolution is PROVEN FACT, 'Natural selection theory' is the theory used to describe that FACT.

[patcondellTGAGroup]

Anyone that can say theory based evidence is fact, is seriously stupid. Don't lose your day job now will you.

Ps Do you work for the circus?

[cjunk351]

Yes I do work for the circus. How did you know that?

[patcondellTGAGroup]

Interesting!

[GEERUP]

Thanks and 5/5 for this post Blessing

[clintonportis200722]

Facts have nothing to do with the 1st Amendment.

The right wing nuts here don't care about science, they want religion in the class room.

Why can't we mention that some people think the Holocaust is a myth?

[patcondellTGAGroup]

You live by the laws set out in the Ten Commandments, I am sure you will be enjoying Christmas this year Too ?

[quedorf]

Your point is???? Just because someone wrote in a book that thou shalt not murder, or steal, doesn't mean that this is the only location that these laws are followed. I could write today that thou shall not commit internet fraud. Does that mean that everyone from this point on who doesn't commit internet fraud worships me. Don't think so. And christmas. you celebrate it on a day that who was born.... Not Jesus. Wonder about that.

[patcondellTGAGroup]

you are correct, Jesus was not born on this day, Christmas derives from paganism's tradition, brought forward to help the wealth for the early businessman of its time and has become part of the massive industry & media Advertising. There is no record in the bible of Jesus ever calibrating his birthday. this too is connected with pagan belief which also contributes to the above cause. So you see we are not alone?

[cjunk351]

And yet early christians were quite comfortable incorporating it into their religous practises.

[patcondellTGAGroup]

Government based & main stream religions. basically all that celebrate it are wrong,'yes'

Not all religions follow this cult pagan practice.

Religions that involve themselves with such tradition are false including much of there teaching, and yes I agree, 'they are wrong.

[HellField04]

This is ignorant drivel. Just because scientists don't pretend to know how life began doesn't mean ID has any validity. ID was devised as a wedge issue by creationists when they realized teaching creationism is a violation of the separation of church and state.

[patcondellTGAGroup]

maybe one should ask them selfs why one fears religion?

Personally I could not careless in a man from out of space did land on earth, or a monkey turns into a man, It is about belief, your governments or anything will never change it, belief is in built, others who want to disbelieve as far as I'm concerned fear for there moralistic minds?

Please do not give me, what religion has caused, it is the hierarchy that has used religion as a tool for power and materialistic

gain.

[patcondellTGAGroup]

Dawkins believes Darwinism is 99% right?

So Richard Dawkins must be God, Evolutionist you should follow your messiah Richard Dawkins.

[quedorf]

That is the stupidest statement I ever heard. Oh yeah bet you ain't gonna post this.

[patcondellTGAGroup]

not as stupid as your paranoia? and some of the comments made by some of you so called decent minds?

[quedorf]

And why is calling a statement stupid, indecent. It is an evaluative remark. I am saying that what was stated is stupid. Which by definition is lacking or marked by lack of intellectual acuity. Your statement shows a lack of acuity by applying obviously ridiculous remarks about something you obviously do not understand.

[patcondellTGAGroup]

intellectual acuity is just vocabulary, take peasant child place it with intellectual intelligent parents, it will become as intelligent if not more so than its own off spring.

[quedorf]

That is not the point. The point is that to say that Richard Dawkins is the messiah for those who believe in evolution is....stupid. It does not mean the person who says it is stupid. unless he believes this whole heartedly.

[patcondellTGAGroup]

Richard Dawkins is a typical pompous Englishman

that merely supports the hierarchy.

enjoys the power evolution brings to keep the so called intellectual power over the masses it is all based of self preservation of pride and a keeping up with the Joneses in the upper class of society. Like most young people want to become pop idols, he to is the same in his field. Devious business mind only. It Amazes me to think so many people fool for intellectual

claptrap.

[TheAmazingAtheist]

You people are disgustingly stupid.

[patcondellTGAGroup]

Listen to who is talking, TheAmazingDumbAtheist that has a special book in vocabulary for the sick mentally insane?

[patcondellTGAGroup]

Strike the Dumb, that is incorrect, you certainly are not dumb, Crazy yes without a doubt? I need to be honest after viewing some of your videos Dumb was wrong.

[cjunk351]

That is a childish thing to say. For starters, Natural Selection Theory is working not because of Richard Dawkins personally, or Charles Darwin personally. Its because of the FACTS of reality.

If religous people want Intelligent Design suggested in schools (which is the religous target with this issue), they just need to come up with the scientific theory

[patcondellTGAGroup]

Show me the evidence, None available!

Simple you lose...

[cjunk351]

So you are admitting that ID has no supporting evidence in order for there to be a scientific theory?

[patcondellTGAGroup]

Nor is Darwinism. Evolution is Theory a Story of maybe's

[cjunk351]

Actually 'Darwinism', as you and many christians like to call it, has an overwhelming amount of supporting evidence. Yes its still called a 'theory', but it is one that the evidence points towards.

Atheist dont run the education department, christians do(the ones that use to fight against evolution).

Let me guess, you get most your anti evolution garb from evangelical christian literature?

[mavaddat]

I agree. Equal time for both theories! It's only fair! For every time they teach our kids about the Bible, churches should invite biologists to teach their congregations about Darwinism too. Equal time!!

[Tuvoc310]

My tax dollars don't pay for Churches and nither do yours. However we are both paying into the school system where your views can be expressed while mine can not.

[ponyboy316]

We actually only teach the parts of Darwinism that has been empirically validated. Intelligent disign is a "wouldn't it be really cool if..." theory based on religion. Religion has never proved anything in itself other than people don't like to be murdered and stolen from. Both things based on self-preservation. What Darwinism would call a natural instinct.