i would like to give you a mans perspective although an email would be a little better then a comment because i have a story. actually now that i think about it i might do a video response, if i can muster the courage to go in front of a camera
and if u wanna go a little more indepth there.. those same primal feelings we have to protect our honor and stuff like that also 99% of the time creates a unspoken code of eathic between male friends or foes "aka the bro code" it actually makes up id say 90% of the choices we make by just knowing that u dont kick below the belt in a fight or u show respect and kindness and open a door for a woman etc etc its also what makes alot of us silly romantics
so to sum up.. a chick getting a abortion against the guys will regardless of how he feels, feels exactly the same as it would for a girl having a child and the father dis owning the child and the woman. you also have to remember, men have primal ergers. we have to protect our manly hood. our ego, our pride, our honor. so having that choose riped right out of our hands makes us feel like we are failing to protect our most primitive and basic morals.
while i strongly agree that if its your body, u alone have the right to say what happens to it. no one else. but that being said, you wanted to know what it feels like for a man to go through that. so the easyest way to put it is picture all those guys that have left girls because they wont get rid of a kid they dont want for what ever reason that may be.. there all upset. they cry. they dont undestand. thats exacly how it feels for a guy when the girl decides that she doesn't want it and you do
the sperm is not part of the female's body, and without it the female would obviously not go through the process of pregnancy.
The woman has no right to get an abortion against the man's will and the man has no right to force or blackmail the woman into getting an abortion against her will.
I think it's self evident that abortion should be legal. The patient should, in almost all situations, have the final say on their care. Considering the fact that no one has a right to force a person to terminate a pregnancy we need only one right defended where men are concerned. At the time a woman finds out she is pregnant she must inform the father and give that person an option to opt out, and have no financial obligation.
My girlfriend came to me .said she was pregnant after I gave her a $1000 to go to the Dr and take care of anything she needs. She was pregnant. I gave up a rodeo career. Commited to a profession I did not like. It kept me employed as I followed my dream. I set her up like a queen. She was evil.Just plain evil. After the hell of getting away from her. She called one night crying her eyes out. Telling me she "5" YES "5" abortions before she met me. I'm the villian now and she got a pass..Sick!!!!
Perspective of a man who does not want a child: I actually refuse to date a woman who isn't pro-abortion. I support a woman's right to choose whether or not she wants that child, but if she isn't ready to raise it then she has no right bringing it into this world. The coming generation is one of kids raised by kids, and I will not raise a child in that.
@CancerRiddenLung This is my opinion! I believe that it would be better to not bring a child into life if you know if can not be fully supported. It would have a shit life. I would rather abort, or better, have a child when im READY to have one.
or you could just not have sex knowing that if you do you could get a woman pregnant every time.
Having an abortion because you ignored the risks of pregnancy when having sex is like gambling using your life savings in some casino and then when you finally and inevitably lose, you break open the slot machine to get your money back.
A woman and a man have a right to choose abstinence, therefore abortion is not necessary.
@ptbwf Not have sex? What are you, some kind of fucking pussy? I thought I had gone soft being with the same girl for 6 years, but you just took the vulva-shaped cake. Sex is essential, not only to our survival but also to general happiness. People who have a lot of sex are statistically happier than other people. If I have to kill a few babies to live a full, happy life, I can learn to suppress my conscience.
in other words you don't care about having a stable society and only care about YOU.
If you want to have sex then accept the fact that your girlfriend or wife can and will get pregnant at anytime, it is YOUR fault and therefore you have to deal with the consequences and raise that child.
At the age of fifteen I ran away from a chick that claimed I had made her pregant, never looked back and only think about it every now and again, I guess not knowing for sure makes it easier.
At the age of eighteen I persuaded a chick to get an abortion on account of her not being able to keep on the pill like she was supposed to and claiming to be until she suddenly got knocked up (No, I was not forcing her to stay on the pill).
So from my male perspective.... Hellz no! I aint no father ^^
Here's mine: My ex wife had an abortion and never even told me she was pregnant. I wanted a child so much and she robbed me of that. So saying only women are emotionally attached to a child is utter nonsense.
I don't have a camera, I cannot afford one. Take what I said into consideration, and do not dismiss it. The emotional burden on a man is equal, to that of a woman. Nobody is seperated from that. But if your first instinct is to panic, and think of yourself, that is selfish. A man's reaction is to his entire life, and everyone in it. Yours, his, and the babies. The thought process is different. Do not think for a moment, that men do not understand women's emotions. We understand all too well.....
Here's an opinion that is quite simple: You think it could scare you, as a woman, it is you whom should close your legs, if you think it is such a burden to have a child. Do you know what it's like to have your only heir, your flesh and blood sacrificed at the alter of medicine? Imagine if you will, if someone came into your home, snagged your child, and slit his throat right there.... Let that sink in. Horrifying isn't it? What if your man did it? Abortion is like this to a man... it's sick....
Maybe women have the "legal" right to have an abortion without the unborn baby's father's consent, but women have no MORAL right to do so.
I'm sick of hearing about what women have to go through for "9 months". Big deal. A father has to take care of the mother and child for 18 years even if he didn't want the child or is prohibited from seeing the child by the mother. Women have it easy and should stop whining.
I'm an atheist and pro-life. When I was 21 I paid for my girlfriend to have an abortion and I only did it because I was scared of losing her. Even though I believe I have good reasons for being pro-life, it would be disingenuous to say that instance of deep fear and helplessness doesn't 'color my cognition' on the subject.
ok wanna know from a man's perspective this is why i broke up with my ex,see i've always wanted to have a child i think that being a dad is the most important thing in the world because your teaching your own flesh and blood to do right in the world,and want to know what that bitch did to me when i told her this she went to go get an abortion and i cried because that was my kid in her womb my flesh and blood and she just took an innocent life for no reason and it is very heart wrenching
I think it's possible that you CAN understand abortion from the male perspective.
Listen to this hypothetical scenario:
You are in an overall stable and harmonious relationship with a woman, but she cheats on you with a man resulting in her pregnancy. Because she loves you, she tells you everything. You want to keep the baby and raise it with her, in spite of her adultery. But she on the other hand intends to abort the baby.
All due respect, that would be an entirely different thing, knowing that kid inside of her doesn't share your blood, your DNA, your flesh and bone. I'm not saying adoptive parents can't feel as much love for their kids as biological parents, but it's something totally different, and to think of it that way just diminishes the value of the issue.
i'm a male and been through this before. i was dating this girl and we broke up but we constantly had sex and she got pregnant. we had an abortion for several reasons but what i didn't tell her was this: i was freaking out. my fear was that if she doesn't get an abortion, i would be stuck w/her for a while (not as a couple but i would have to c her), my social life is done, i would have to put school on hold, get another job.. the feeling of her "thinking" of keeping it was to much to endure
As a man who has 'had' an abortion and has friends (male & female) that have also had abortions, I'm quite sure that there no single "abortion from a man's perspective" answer to your question. That said, whatever his or her 'feelings' are, the only 2 things that rate real consideration are the welfare of the potential child and the welfare of the woman during a pregnancy and subsequent birth.
I'm pretty sure most men who find out the girl they made pregnant wants to get an abortion would cheer for it since it means they won't have to pay any child support.
You dont understand us men.. the real fear is that she decides to keep it..
But seriously, this is why you should have a talk about it before you have sex.. Talk about what you want to do in case you do get pregnant.. And making a decision together beforehand makes sure you dont get a bad surprise afterwards.
Just my 2 cents. btw, condoms arent failsafe.. use the pill and condoms together.
I think forcing a woman to go through with a pregnancy because the child would be yours is still kind of like forced labor. It would of course be a huge slap in the face if she had you under the impression that she wanted to have a baby too, and then had a surprise abortion. Still, a monogamous relationship shouldn't ever be an unbreakable contract, under any circumstance, and everyone should have autonomy over their body, imho.
If the sex is consensual, the possibility of labor should be expected. If you don't want that "problem," take the necessary precautions or deal with said consequences. There's no reason to kill somebody's son because you let him come inside you. End of story.
@mussman717word I think doctors should decide at what point after fertilization conscious life begins, and not a priest. If two people are having sex with no intention of having a baby, and birth control fails (as it sometimes does), then expecting her to go through with a pregnancy because you have some silly superstitious delusions that she's killing your son/daughter IS forced labor, even if you would be willing to take care of a child yourself.
@cfed00 The pro-life argument, as I understand it, is that the "rights" of the woman should not veto the "rights" of the unborn child. Considering the transient nature of right & wrong, to me the argument doesn't boil down to morality. In fact it seems very clear to me that pro-choice win by say they "can" do it i.e the technology exists. Therefore the law is passed. Women should wonder if new technolgies may not favour their gender so well when "can" may not seem such a word of freedom.
Personally, I think that, if you are so unwilling to have a child, that you are willing to end a human life over it, then you shouldn't be participating in the very activity that's sole purpose is to create that life. I think Abortion should only be used under very special circumstances (i.e. when the mothers life is in danger from giving birth). I do not think it should be used freely, as a contraceptive measure.
@CaughtNTheCrosshair2 Agree 110%!! One of the main issues in this whole mess that most of these pro life groups are also against birth control of any sort. They go so far as to label the Pill as an abortive device.
@bornbillsmith You also say I don't have a problem with abortion. Read my comments again. I am well aware of the fact that an abortion involves killing a baby. Believe it or not, my actual view is simliar to yours: "Any law making it illegal can put some women's life in danger and therefore shouldn't be done" sums up your argument nicely, and I agree. I certainly don't think abortion should be used as a routine form of after-the-event contraception
@bornbillsmith In the second part of your reply, you use your prejudice against the country I come from as a reason to undermine my argument, an approach which, I would suggest, actually achieves the opposite. I don't see how the country I live in has a DAMN thing to do with the discussion we're having
@bornbillsmith The reason I was suggesting that your stance is passive aggressive is that, in the comment I was directly referring to, you say to the commentator you were replying to that "you wouldn't understand", thereby implying that, because he didn't share your value system, his opinion wasn't valid. I disagree, and said so, which is anything but passive. And I understand perfectly: no parent has the right to mutilate their child's genitalia. Period.
I have no personal experience so my stance might change but I think men should have no right to say whether she aborts it or not.
However, I think that us men should have the right to legally cut off our ties to the child,the man would have as little right and obligation to parent the child as any other man, the woman would also be unable to make the man pay for child support.
Women should also have that right, if she neither wants to abort the baby nor raise it.
@JonBj2 I agree that personal experience has a strong influence on one's opinions. Sex is great, it's healthy, but the fate of a child is a hell of an important thing, and should be treated as such. I think both parents, in any situation where one or the other decides to raise it, should be financially responsible. In the situation you describe, when a man faces up to his obligations and pays his way, I would say he has every right to be involved in the child's upbringing
@Lupinych I agree that if the man pays for child support he should have the right to be involved in the child's life.
As I said I think people should have the right to relinquish their obligation and right to the baby, if said parent wishes to have nothing to do with it, I think it's better in the long run if the child never knew its parent rather than have a parent that doesn't care for it.
But again, I have no experience in these matters, this is just my current opinion.
@JonBj2 "I think it's better in the long run if the child never knew its parent rather than have a parent that doesn't care for it" is a good, practical point, one that I hadn't considered. I just think it's sad that so many children are left in the lurch in this way. And, men being men, and women being women, in the majority of cases it's the man who walks away, and it just doesn't sit right with me that he can absolve himself of his responsibilities
@Lupinych I see how it can seem a little heartless for a man to choose such an option but I think no one should be forced to take care of a child they don't want, I don't think it's fair to the parent nor the child.
@JonBj2 Going back to your earlier point about personal experience, 2 of my closest friends, my innermost circle, got girls pregnant and neither (of the guys) wanted to keep the babies but the girls did. One of my friends was actually dumped by his girlfriend mid-pregnancy. It hurt them both a lot, but they paid their share and played an active part in the kids' upbringing. Today they both have teenage sons with whom they have healthy, active relationships, so everyone's a winner =)
As a man, among men, like myself, I think... Hmm, you know what... "Man, among men" is such a bold statement... Ok, ok, wait... Alright, as a person, with a very hefty sized package, I think... Wait, no... "Hefty" is such a BIG word for such a small... Ego... Ok, ok. As a person with the existent, but indistinguishable, qualities of manhood, I must concede that us men(like me) unfortunately, have VERY LITTLE say in the matter. It's the woman's body and the decision is ultimately hers.
Either way - the female does not have the right to abort a life that is legally bound to another person, without their consent. This is where legal guardianship comes into play. If she goes through with it - you should have a right to sue for psychological damages... all of that jazz. If women have the right to choose... then they have a right to the consequences of their choice.
It's very simple. If a woman is pro-abortion without the consent of the father, and has plans to go through with it, and the father wants the child - all the father has to do is start behaving in a manner that will piss her off. All he needs to do is start belittling her and demoralizing her. She will born the child, completely out of spite for him. He will lose her love, but he will gain the love of his child. I love how complex the female mind isn't.
@RaiceGeriko I would suggest that the phrase "I love how complex the female mind isn't" reveals the nature and extent of your prejudice, thereby totally undermining the credibility of the other points that you make. Just a thought
On abortion, woman's choice; it is a women's right to choose, it's her body--her life. She will be the mother and will have to rear the child. Man cannot compel her to have the child. Tough shit guys! When a man gest pregnant then he can make the same choice.
@UNIDEN2211 "She will be the mother and will have to rear the child." Is adoption no longer an option? An orphanage might not be the best of environments to grow up in but it's certain better than not existing.
"Tough shit guys! When a man gest pregnant then he can make the same choice." So if the shoe was on the other foot, you'd have *no* problem with the other party involved in the creation of the pregnancy having absolutely *no* say? Even if that entailed supporting a child she didn't want?
@Brittanysofficial but if u think about your statement there.. all your doing is forcing your views and opinions and your beliefs onto them. while we may not agree with how things are done in other cultures we should also be smart enough to accept the fact that we all believe in different things we get so angry at people for forcing there views on us when we dont realize that on a global scale we are forcing our ways and our views on other cultures.
From Scotland: i will link to a very tragic case. A child died from neglect, and left in his cot for 3 weeks: There was many failings, many people blamed, mother was jailed, and social services shouted down, and grandmother questioned. While the father, just didnt want anything to do with the kid in the first place.
while that may not have much to do with the male perspective on abortion, but it would be in my opinion with the fathers half assed involvement he would of lived.
I just wanted to say that I don't think any man should be exempt from paying child support, even if he didn't want the baby. It takes two to tango, it's your sperm, deal with it. I would have some sympathy if a guy used precautions and a pregnancy still happened, but even then it's not like you don't have a choice. If you really, really fear the prospect of having a baby with an individual woman, then don't sleep with her in the first place. It's that simple. Great vid Brittany, as always
@Lupinych you're right, it does take two to tango as it were. a woman has the right to abort or give up her baby for adoption, thereby severing all legal ties. i just think a man should have the same legal right, given that he bears half the costs and responsibilities if the woman decides to abort/adopt. it's harsh, and usually a bad situation, but it's fair.
@webmaster2089 I just don't think any man has the right to expect any woman to endure the physical process, and emotional consequences, of having the unborn child she's carrying sucked from her womb. It's harsh to read, I know, but that's the reality. And a mother's unwillingness to go through that it is not an adequate reason for a guy to be exempt from his responsibilities. I'm a guy, and it sucks that women hold all the cards, but that's just the way it has to be
@Lupinych I never said that a woman should be forced to abort, only that the man shouldn't be forced into responsibilities that women can get out of if they so choose.
Are there not emotional consequences of a woman getting an abortion when the man wants the baby? Are there not emotional consequences of a child being unwanted by its father?
@webmaster2089 I agree, there are emotional consequences for everyone involved, whatever the situation. But nature made us what we are, and ultimately it's the woman who has to lie on the operating table and have the abortion, or carry the child for 9 months and go through childbirth, so the final decision has to be made by her. That's just the way it is. The whole situation is pretty screwed up, but that's life
@webmaster2089 And that's fine. Really. But, to be fair, I think we've reached the point, which is always reached in internet discussions in my experience, where we are starting to go round in circles. To answer the question you're asking me, I would just be repeating what I have already said. That doesn't mean I don't respect your opinion, I just think we've reached the point where we are gonna have to agree to disagree. Peace and best wishes
@moneymakergp No I completely understand. I was just saying that IF a woman decides to keep the child, THEN then father has the right to abstain or accept responsibility for the child.
Put it like this: I give all my money to a woman so she now has twice as much money and then she says because she's carrying it, it's her choice to do what she wants with all of it.
I've never been in this situation, and there are men who could care less. Disregarding that, I believe most men would like to be acknowledged in the decision. Ultimately, it's the mother's decision. Not a matter of state. Understandably, the father's share in the decision is not going to be the largest, but his feelings should at least be considered. There are many unwed mothers, quite maternal, with unwilling fathers... But what if the father is paternal, the mother unwilling?
I think regardless if the father is willing or not, if the mother is unwilling then that's the end of the story. However, an unwilling father should not be obligated or expected to help support the mother if she does have the baby (with the exception of maybe a rape case).
@Idoloish Just my point, why not consider giving the baby to the father? I'm not saying it's necessary every time, but it seems to be all or nothing for the mother and the father has to deal with whatever decision the mother makes. Like I said, some men could care less, but many men do care. Or are we saying it's not their concern? Never their concern?
I understand what you're saying. And yeah, if I ever got a girl pregnant and wanted to keep the baby, but she aborted it, I'd feel awful.
However, I do acknowledge that I wont have to be the one to go through the pain of childbirth, and the months of stress of having the baby inside me, so I think women should have all the say-so about their abortion.
But, if she wanted to keep the baby and I didn't, then fuck her. I shouldn't have to pay child support.
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I've known someone who went through this. She got the abortion because she wasnt ready to have a baby. The father wanted to keep it but she didnt. He had no say so. Its so sad actually. I dont know how I would be able to take that.
@bornbillsmith Sorry to say it, but your statement is horribly passive-aggressive. No parent has the right to mutilate their child's genitalia, no matter what value system they subscribe to
If you buy your argument then I'm a representation of something aggressive.
If you accept my argument then you are aggressive in that your position is aggressive towards mine but you are doing it in a passive way(making a comment as compared to doing something physical).
Now that I got that out of the way I can tell you it's not mutilation as the forskin has no function after a child is born.
@Brittanysofficial +1 Well said. When you realise the purpose is to basically make sex less fun so that people are better behaved. Pretty sick really.
@Brittanysofficial only problem with that is most adult males who are circumcised (not "cut up" thanks) are glad that the surgery was performed while they were young allowing them to forget it and enjoy the benefits through out their life. The problem is female and male circumcision are viewed very differently in our society and I don't think can fairly be lumped together in 1 question as there are no benefits to female circumcision and it is generally done inhumanly.
I decided not to have vaginal intercourse because of this. I probably will have vaginal sex at some point in my life, but I would first have to be extremely sure what that woman would do with a pregnancy. My future would be in her hands, so giving birth without my consent might as well be fatal to me.
So it is no problem to make Euthanasia, Cloning,Patenting, selling. And funny is: Patents are a title of ownership. Patenting embryos!! You have a very nice position.It is a kind of slavery again.
my thoughts on the matter are here: Man should be let to say their thoughts on the matter to person who is carrying his child and that person should truly listen and think about the said things, but in the end it is only woman who should be making any kind of call on the matter simply because in the end it is woman who has to carry the consequense of the decision. BUT if man is not ready for a child, there should be somekind of possibility for him to avoid financial liability.
How about the notion that maybe a woman doesnt want an abortion even if her baby's daddy does? What if he feels like he isnt ready but she has the baby? If a man feels he is ready for a child but she doesnt, she can have an abortion. In the same way a man who is not ready for a child and wants his gf/wife to get an abortion and she carries it to term, he should be allowed to just step away. Otherwise it feels like we are forcing men to have kids, much like we did women when abortion was illegal
@crackerkiller89 what are you saying? he should be allowed to step away. Well, hate to break it to you, but he is. The woman has the baby, we can't change that. Yet. So for the time being she carries the responsibility. I wish it was evenly divided but it just isn't. The only thing we can do is give the woman full control. She can abort, she can keep, she can tell the man to fuck off, and she can not be separated from her child (except if she's a criminal). Which is fine with me, as a man.
I think the man has the right to know. The decision in the end lies with the woman because I don't think anybody should be forced to do something they don't want to. And by the same measure I think the man has the right to step away and not get involved if he doesn't want to become a parent. I don't think men have an inherent responsibility with regard to pregnancy, beyond that implied by the existing relationship.
To be included would be enough for me. Too often it seems any thought or opinion i might have on abortion is just ignored by the opposite gender. So just being kept in the loop would go a long ways for me.
Totally understand. It was one of TJ's arguments on lack of male rights, but I thought it was one of his weakest arguments and one of the things I disagree with him on.
What's fair is that it's your body yielding to another human being, having to go through physical and mental stress for 9 mo., if not longer. While it would be socially apt if a woman included the man in both each other's mistake/problem/solution scenario, it is still her body, and that is where 'fair' should logically lean.
What it feels like? Imagine your boyfriend was the one getting pregnant, now imagine, there are no laws that protect you, no safety, no choices, nothing you say has no value, effect or power to change the fact, that your boyfriend now has every means of power and choice in his hands, to change your life as he see's fit. And all you can do, is just stand there, powerless, destroyed and of course being told, that you're the woman you allowed him to get pregnant, it's your fault. Horror, extreme.
@FoxvoxDK can't like your comment enough. women need to imagine that elated joy of finding out that they will be a parent men can feel. some men actually WANT that. then they should imagine the soul crushing feeling when they find out the child was killed. and if two people are in an honest relationship, she will tell him she aborted. the dishonesty ends many relationships when the guy finds out second hand. if she hides it she is lying to him, and that is never good for relationships.
You speak of men's and women's perspective on things. There's a saying. "To fully understand the feelings of another, you must walk two moons in their mockisons" Does this make any sense?
@LadyLolitaJenny It does indeed; To better understand the other person, you must walk 1 month(new moon -> full moon -> new moon) in their moccasins/sandals/shoes/socks/pants. It's pretty much a metaphor for being in another persons body, or situation, for a period of time :).
@LadyLolitaJenny It does indeed; To better understand the other person, you must walk 1 month(new moon -> full moon -> new moon) in their moccasins/sandals/shoes/socks/pants. It's pretty much a metaphor for being in another persons body, or situation, for a period of time :).
@LadyLolitaJenny It does indeed; To better understand the other person, you must walk 1 month(new moon -> full moon -> new moon) in their moccasins/sandals/shoes/socks/pants. It's pretty much a metaphor for being in another persons body, or situation, for a period of time :).
@LadyLolitaJenny It does indeed; To better understand the other person, you must walk 1 month(new moon -> full moon -> new moon) in their moccasins/sandals/shoes/socks/pants. It's pretty much a metaphor for being in another persons body, or situation, for a period of time :).
@LadyLolitaJenny It does indeed; To better understand the other person, you must walk 1 month(new moon -> full moon -> new moon) in their moccasins/sandals/shoes/socks/pants. It's pretty much a metaphor for being in another persons body, or situation, for a period of time :).
@LadyLolitaJenny It does indeed; To better understand the other person, you must walk 1 month(new moon -> full moon -> new moon) in their moccasins/sandals/shoes/socks/pants. It's pretty much a metaphor for being in another persons body, or situation, for a period of time :).
@Mulletboi86 Your lack of respect for other people's opinions invalidates your own opinion. You think that men have no real right to have an opinion on this issue? Yeah the woman carries the child, but somehow that gives them unilateral rights to do whatever the fuck they want with regard to the pregnancy and to have the only valid opinions on the issue? Bullshit. No one should have the right to make life changing decisions for someone else without their consent.
Women have many more reproductive options then me. Women have the pill the morning after pill abortion adoption and the choice to keep the child and force me to support her in her choice whether I agree to it or not. I have not considered this fully but to me it would seem more appropriate for women to keep most of there options but for men to be able to "legally abort" there child and for the farther to have certain privileges of preference if the women wants to give her child up for adoption.
your partner that well or if you have doubt's about your decision then you really need to leave it up to her. IDK make your own choice but for me i will alway's feel like a dick about it.
My girlfriend at the time got a abortion because i told her it was her choice. We were young and bothe had goal's we were struggling with. At the moment it seemed like the right thing to do but it was something i could'nt shake or feel o.k about. Are relationship did'nt last too long after this. She love'd me and she did it for us and i love'd her but i alway's felt like i made the wrong choice so i did'nt feal good about that choice or are relationship. (my F_ing Bad) You know if you dont know
@mgenetiano Im sorry you have theist views which cause this discomfort by condemning what you did. My atheist perspective liberates me from that sort of cognitive dissonance.
@moneymakergp What are you talking about? Theist views don't cause discomfort in regards to abortion. It's a much simpler view that causes the discomfort: the discomfort involved with terminating a life. Most atheists would also have trouble with killing a fetus.
@Cherrybloodsyrup I sometimes forget that not all athiests are as cut and dry as I am. While a fetus can feel pain I sympathize with terminating one. This is going to sound bad, but I have killed many bugs, spiders, mice, rats, etc as do many other people. In your opinion how does the life of an embryo or zygote differ from these in order to garner more respect. Im hoping your an atheist or one answers this.
I could make a response but I can't speak for men only for myself. Well and my close guy friend/s that I know well. I truly believe everyone is different.
I feel I have no say, at all. A Woman can do whatever she likes and prefers against any and all wishes the male counterpart might have. If I say I do not wish the child upon me, the woman can say, but I do, and it shall be so, with the male standing idly by, having to support it.. If I say, I wish the child upon me, the Woman can say, I do not, the Woman can kill his offspring, against his wish, with no ramifications. I have one choice, to wear a condom, even with a "trusted" partner.
I was 19 she was 17 right out of highschool her mom stopped all contact from me and had the baby aborted. Pride let me act like I wasn't bothered inside I was extremely angry, sad, and confused. It hurt to know someone just killed a future part of me without me knowing. Explaining exactly what I mean is impossible.
@ImMrCharles It sounds as if you defined "it" as your offspring and had all the emotions associated with a child and then felt sad because you felt it was "taken" from you. Curious, How would you react if she had gone to the toilet and come back and said, I think I just miscarried?
This is such a tricky subject because there really is no way for both the man and woman to "win." If a woman gets pregnant and doesn't want the baby, but the man really does want it, there's no way for them both to get their way. If she aborts, like she wants, then that's unfair to the father. If he makes her keep it to full term, that's unfair to the mother. If she carries it full term, hands it to the dad and then abandons them both, it's unfair to not only the father, but also the child.
as a man i cans at least say this: when you have a pregnancy you feel like its a part of you in that child, now the woman do have to carry and deal with the baby during the 9 month period but i feel the guy in the relationship should have some say as to what happens to this baby because its still 50% his baby you cant get pregnant with out both people.
@Brittanysofficial thanks for the video response back! I understand that I cannot understand the what it's like for a man in this situation. The Amazing Atheist actually talked about the inequality of the man when it came to his decision in a woman's pregnancy. . . .That if he impregnates a woman and she decides to abort the child, it's unfair, especially if he honestly and truly wants to keep the child. In that way, we are stripping the rights of men when it comes to abortions.
@jidfurikuri I'm a man and I believe that if my woman gets pregnant, she has the right to terminate, and I should have the right to paternal surrender as loqutor put it. But as a man I don't think I should have any right to tell a woman she has to birth my child. Reason being my part is to give sperm, her part is to go through the crazy rollercoaster of pregnancy and birth, both of which carry the possibility of death.
my biggest fear is that a women im with will get pregnant with my child and then leave me to keep the child or abort the child. i understand what a women might be going through but the man should have a say cause if they choose to keep the child then our lives are equally affected from that moment, and if they choose to abort then we're also loosing a child and our chance to be fathers. its just bad how men are so powerless in these situations and our lives are so affected by either situation
Well, if we planned out the baby, and she aborted it, i can understand getting upset. However, for a man to suggest that he feels as much of emotional /physical connection as a woman is wrong. And, thats what this sounds like here. It sounds like a Conservative/Republican (i am biased, and i dont agree with either left or right) tactic. Its a lame ass argument. Im sorry, im a male and, i think that its a womans choice. This whole anti-abortion thing is stupid.
It's funny you ask, because last Saturday my girlfriend officially oops'd me in to a pregnancy and as of now is not talking to me. People are quick to blame men in these scenarios, but I can tell you while I obviously share part of the responsibility, my gf was less than honest with me, to put it politely. I don't know if I'll ever be able to trust her again, much less raise a child with her. But because of society's perceptions I'm the asshole. Whatever.
@rprnorg Actually I think shes the asshole in this case. From what you said it sounds like she tampered with the birthcontrol. I honeslty think that men should have the right to drop custody of these fake "ooop's pregnancys" if they can prove or get the woman to admit that they faked being on the pill or poked holes in the condoms. If we could find an effective way of doing this the rate of women tricking men into fatherhood should drop.
As a man, my attitude is that unless the man wants to say "if you have the baby I'll take it off your hands and you don't have to worry about it" then he needs to STFU. Its ultimately the woman's body and therefore her descision. Nothing the man says ranks higher than advice at best.
i would like to give you a mans perspective although an email would be a little better then a comment because i have a story. actually now that i think about it i might do a video response, if i can muster the courage to go in front of a camera
Hellraiser5901 2 days ago
@Hellraiser5901 Do whatever you're comfortable with :)
Brittanysofficial 2 days ago
and if u wanna go a little more indepth there.. those same primal feelings we have to protect our honor and stuff like that also 99% of the time creates a unspoken code of eathic between male friends or foes "aka the bro code" it actually makes up id say 90% of the choices we make by just knowing that u dont kick below the belt in a fight or u show respect and kindness and open a door for a woman etc etc its also what makes alot of us silly romantics
sinester200 1 week ago
so to sum up.. a chick getting a abortion against the guys will regardless of how he feels, feels exactly the same as it would for a girl having a child and the father dis owning the child and the woman. you also have to remember, men have primal ergers. we have to protect our manly hood. our ego, our pride, our honor. so having that choose riped right out of our hands makes us feel like we are failing to protect our most primitive and basic morals.
sinester200 1 week ago
while i strongly agree that if its your body, u alone have the right to say what happens to it. no one else. but that being said, you wanted to know what it feels like for a man to go through that. so the easyest way to put it is picture all those guys that have left girls because they wont get rid of a kid they dont want for what ever reason that may be.. there all upset. they cry. they dont undestand. thats exacly how it feels for a guy when the girl decides that she doesn't want it and you do
sinester200 1 week ago
@sinester200
the sperm is not part of the female's body, and without it the female would obviously not go through the process of pregnancy.
The woman has no right to get an abortion against the man's will and the man has no right to force or blackmail the woman into getting an abortion against her will.
ptbwf 1 week ago
No taxation without representation!
HackCausality 2 weeks ago
And from a mans perspective, abortions are like heaven.
TheyCalledMeReQoN 2 weeks ago
I bet your "pro" at sucking cock.
TheyCalledMeReQoN 2 weeks ago
I think it's self evident that abortion should be legal. The patient should, in almost all situations, have the final say on their care. Considering the fact that no one has a right to force a person to terminate a pregnancy we need only one right defended where men are concerned. At the time a woman finds out she is pregnant she must inform the father and give that person an option to opt out, and have no financial obligation.
cuttlelove 2 weeks ago
My girlfriend came to me .said she was pregnant after I gave her a $1000 to go to the Dr and take care of anything she needs. She was pregnant. I gave up a rodeo career. Commited to a profession I did not like. It kept me employed as I followed my dream. I set her up like a queen. She was evil.Just plain evil. After the hell of getting away from her. She called one night crying her eyes out. Telling me she "5" YES "5" abortions before she met me. I'm the villian now and she got a pass..Sick!!!!
wthjrtx1 2 weeks ago
Perspective of a man who does not want a child: I actually refuse to date a woman who isn't pro-abortion. I support a woman's right to choose whether or not she wants that child, but if she isn't ready to raise it then she has no right bringing it into this world. The coming generation is one of kids raised by kids, and I will not raise a child in that.
CancerRiddenLung 2 weeks ago
@CancerRiddenLung This is my opinion! I believe that it would be better to not bring a child into life if you know if can not be fully supported. It would have a shit life. I would rather abort, or better, have a child when im READY to have one.
IMONAMADTING1 2 weeks ago
@CancerRiddenLung
or you could just not have sex knowing that if you do you could get a woman pregnant every time.
Having an abortion because you ignored the risks of pregnancy when having sex is like gambling using your life savings in some casino and then when you finally and inevitably lose, you break open the slot machine to get your money back.
A woman and a man have a right to choose abstinence, therefore abortion is not necessary.
ptbwf 1 week ago
@ptbwf Not have sex? What are you, some kind of fucking pussy? I thought I had gone soft being with the same girl for 6 years, but you just took the vulva-shaped cake. Sex is essential, not only to our survival but also to general happiness. People who have a lot of sex are statistically happier than other people. If I have to kill a few babies to live a full, happy life, I can learn to suppress my conscience.
CancerRiddenLung 1 week ago
@CancerRiddenLung
in other words you don't care about having a stable society and only care about YOU.
If you want to have sex then accept the fact that your girlfriend or wife can and will get pregnant at anytime, it is YOUR fault and therefore you have to deal with the consequences and raise that child.
ptbwf 6 days ago
At the age of fifteen I ran away from a chick that claimed I had made her pregant, never looked back and only think about it every now and again, I guess not knowing for sure makes it easier.
At the age of eighteen I persuaded a chick to get an abortion on account of her not being able to keep on the pill like she was supposed to and claiming to be until she suddenly got knocked up (No, I was not forcing her to stay on the pill).
So from my male perspective.... Hellz no! I aint no father ^^
88Kamikaze69 2 weeks ago
I'm...
... gonna watch the Daft Idiot's Stronger Faster Harder music vid now.
DancingSpiderman 2 weeks ago
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mrdamntn 2 weeks ago
Here's mine: My ex wife had an abortion and never even told me she was pregnant. I wanted a child so much and she robbed me of that. So saying only women are emotionally attached to a child is utter nonsense.
snakebitgoat 2 weeks ago in playlist Politics
I don't have a camera, I cannot afford one. Take what I said into consideration, and do not dismiss it. The emotional burden on a man is equal, to that of a woman. Nobody is seperated from that. But if your first instinct is to panic, and think of yourself, that is selfish. A man's reaction is to his entire life, and everyone in it. Yours, his, and the babies. The thought process is different. Do not think for a moment, that men do not understand women's emotions. We understand all too well.....
wolfrainexxx 2 weeks ago
Here's an opinion that is quite simple: You think it could scare you, as a woman, it is you whom should close your legs, if you think it is such a burden to have a child. Do you know what it's like to have your only heir, your flesh and blood sacrificed at the alter of medicine? Imagine if you will, if someone came into your home, snagged your child, and slit his throat right there.... Let that sink in. Horrifying isn't it? What if your man did it? Abortion is like this to a man... it's sick....
wolfrainexxx 2 weeks ago
i get myself pregnant. saves alot of hassle. :)
JoshDG92 2 weeks ago in playlist Politics
Maybe women have the "legal" right to have an abortion without the unborn baby's father's consent, but women have no MORAL right to do so.
I'm sick of hearing about what women have to go through for "9 months". Big deal. A father has to take care of the mother and child for 18 years even if he didn't want the child or is prohibited from seeing the child by the mother. Women have it easy and should stop whining.
jeffreerange 2 weeks ago 2
@jeffreerange
well said :)
JoshDG92 2 weeks ago in playlist Politics
I'm an atheist and pro-life. When I was 21 I paid for my girlfriend to have an abortion and I only did it because I was scared of losing her. Even though I believe I have good reasons for being pro-life, it would be disingenuous to say that instance of deep fear and helplessness doesn't 'color my cognition' on the subject.
imshippyupup 2 weeks ago
ok wanna know from a man's perspective this is why i broke up with my ex,see i've always wanted to have a child i think that being a dad is the most important thing in the world because your teaching your own flesh and blood to do right in the world,and want to know what that bitch did to me when i told her this she went to go get an abortion and i cried because that was my kid in her womb my flesh and blood and she just took an innocent life for no reason and it is very heart wrenching
spartan5926 2 weeks ago
@spartan5926 Irrespective of anything else, how you're feeling right now must suck, big time. I really don't know what to say. Best wishes dude o7
Lupinych 2 weeks ago
The Velveteen Rabbit's a really good story.
resincoatedlungs 3 weeks ago 3
@resincoatedlungs It's amazing!
Brittanysofficial 2 weeks ago 2
I think it's possible that you CAN understand abortion from the male perspective.
Listen to this hypothetical scenario:
You are in an overall stable and harmonious relationship with a woman, but she cheats on you with a man resulting in her pregnancy. Because she loves you, she tells you everything. You want to keep the baby and raise it with her, in spite of her adultery. But she on the other hand intends to abort the baby.
Now what will you do?
JTwittV 3 weeks ago
@JTwittV
All due respect, that would be an entirely different thing, knowing that kid inside of her doesn't share your blood, your DNA, your flesh and bone. I'm not saying adoptive parents can't feel as much love for their kids as biological parents, but it's something totally different, and to think of it that way just diminishes the value of the issue.
mussman717word 2 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos
i'm a male and been through this before. i was dating this girl and we broke up but we constantly had sex and she got pregnant. we had an abortion for several reasons but what i didn't tell her was this: i was freaking out. my fear was that if she doesn't get an abortion, i would be stuck w/her for a while (not as a couple but i would have to c her), my social life is done, i would have to put school on hold, get another job.. the feeling of her "thinking" of keeping it was to much to endure
arsenalskate123 3 weeks ago
As a man who has 'had' an abortion and has friends (male & female) that have also had abortions, I'm quite sure that there no single "abortion from a man's perspective" answer to your question. That said, whatever his or her 'feelings' are, the only 2 things that rate real consideration are the welfare of the potential child and the welfare of the woman during a pregnancy and subsequent birth.
waspbloke 3 weeks ago
I'm pretty sure most men who find out the girl they made pregnant wants to get an abortion would cheer for it since it means they won't have to pay any child support.
Diedrupo 3 weeks ago
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You dont understand us men.. the real fear is that she decides to keep it..
But seriously, this is why you should have a talk about it before you have sex.. Talk about what you want to do in case you do get pregnant.. And making a decision together beforehand makes sure you dont get a bad surprise afterwards.
Just my 2 cents. btw, condoms arent failsafe.. use the pill and condoms together.
wubs23 3 weeks ago
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wubs23 3 weeks ago
why wouldn't you wanna abort it immediately if you didn't plan it?
dscosche 3 weeks ago
at last!nice hair!!!!!now keep it,ok? :)
RYOGERG 3 weeks ago
I think forcing a woman to go through with a pregnancy because the child would be yours is still kind of like forced labor. It would of course be a huge slap in the face if she had you under the impression that she wanted to have a baby too, and then had a surprise abortion. Still, a monogamous relationship shouldn't ever be an unbreakable contract, under any circumstance, and everyone should have autonomy over their body, imho.
cfed00 3 weeks ago 6
@cfed00
If the sex is consensual, the possibility of labor should be expected. If you don't want that "problem," take the necessary precautions or deal with said consequences. There's no reason to kill somebody's son because you let him come inside you. End of story.
mussman717word 2 weeks ago
@mussman717word I think doctors should decide at what point after fertilization conscious life begins, and not a priest. If two people are having sex with no intention of having a baby, and birth control fails (as it sometimes does), then expecting her to go through with a pregnancy because you have some silly superstitious delusions that she's killing your son/daughter IS forced labor, even if you would be willing to take care of a child yourself.
cfed00 2 weeks ago
@cfed00
Superstitious delusion? That's a denial of insane proportions. If you don't want the baby, don't fuck. Grow up, you immature bitch.
mussman717word 2 weeks ago
@cfed00 The pro-life argument, as I understand it, is that the "rights" of the woman should not veto the "rights" of the unborn child. Considering the transient nature of right & wrong, to me the argument doesn't boil down to morality. In fact it seems very clear to me that pro-choice win by say they "can" do it i.e the technology exists. Therefore the law is passed. Women should wonder if new technolgies may not favour their gender so well when "can" may not seem such a word of freedom.
TableWolfMusic 2 weeks ago
@TableWolfMusic
actually the argument is that abortion is murder(which is obviously not legal).
The other stuff is presenting the argument to people who don't think the same way and attempting to speak to them.
ptbwf 1 week ago
@ptbwf What's the other stuff?
TableWolfMusic 1 week ago
@TableWolfMusic
like talking about the rights of an unborn child and the mother's rights being compared to that.
ptbwf 1 week ago
Personally, I think that, if you are so unwilling to have a child, that you are willing to end a human life over it, then you shouldn't be participating in the very activity that's sole purpose is to create that life. I think Abortion should only be used under very special circumstances (i.e. when the mothers life is in danger from giving birth). I do not think it should be used freely, as a contraceptive measure.
CaughtNTheCrosshair2 3 weeks ago 2
@CaughtNTheCrosshair2 Agree 110%!! One of the main issues in this whole mess that most of these pro life groups are also against birth control of any sort. They go so far as to label the Pill as an abortive device.
STSWB5SG1FAN 3 weeks ago
@bornbillsmith You also say I don't have a problem with abortion. Read my comments again. I am well aware of the fact that an abortion involves killing a baby. Believe it or not, my actual view is simliar to yours: "Any law making it illegal can put some women's life in danger and therefore shouldn't be done" sums up your argument nicely, and I agree. I certainly don't think abortion should be used as a routine form of after-the-event contraception
Lupinych 3 weeks ago
@bornbillsmith In the second part of your reply, you use your prejudice against the country I come from as a reason to undermine my argument, an approach which, I would suggest, actually achieves the opposite. I don't see how the country I live in has a DAMN thing to do with the discussion we're having
Lupinych 3 weeks ago
@bornbillsmith The reason I was suggesting that your stance is passive aggressive is that, in the comment I was directly referring to, you say to the commentator you were replying to that "you wouldn't understand", thereby implying that, because he didn't share your value system, his opinion wasn't valid. I disagree, and said so, which is anything but passive. And I understand perfectly: no parent has the right to mutilate their child's genitalia. Period.
Lupinych 3 weeks ago
I have no personal experience so my stance might change but I think men should have no right to say whether she aborts it or not.
However, I think that us men should have the right to legally cut off our ties to the child,the man would have as little right and obligation to parent the child as any other man, the woman would also be unable to make the man pay for child support.
Women should also have that right, if she neither wants to abort the baby nor raise it.
Opinions are welcome.
JonBj2 3 weeks ago
@JonBj2 I agree that personal experience has a strong influence on one's opinions. Sex is great, it's healthy, but the fate of a child is a hell of an important thing, and should be treated as such. I think both parents, in any situation where one or the other decides to raise it, should be financially responsible. In the situation you describe, when a man faces up to his obligations and pays his way, I would say he has every right to be involved in the child's upbringing
Lupinych 3 weeks ago
@Lupinych I agree that if the man pays for child support he should have the right to be involved in the child's life.
As I said I think people should have the right to relinquish their obligation and right to the baby, if said parent wishes to have nothing to do with it, I think it's better in the long run if the child never knew its parent rather than have a parent that doesn't care for it.
But again, I have no experience in these matters, this is just my current opinion.
JonBj2 3 weeks ago
@JonBj2 "I think it's better in the long run if the child never knew its parent rather than have a parent that doesn't care for it" is a good, practical point, one that I hadn't considered. I just think it's sad that so many children are left in the lurch in this way. And, men being men, and women being women, in the majority of cases it's the man who walks away, and it just doesn't sit right with me that he can absolve himself of his responsibilities
Lupinych 3 weeks ago
@Lupinych I see how it can seem a little heartless for a man to choose such an option but I think no one should be forced to take care of a child they don't want, I don't think it's fair to the parent nor the child.
JonBj2 3 weeks ago
@JonBj2 Going back to your earlier point about personal experience, 2 of my closest friends, my innermost circle, got girls pregnant and neither (of the guys) wanted to keep the babies but the girls did. One of my friends was actually dumped by his girlfriend mid-pregnancy. It hurt them both a lot, but they paid their share and played an active part in the kids' upbringing. Today they both have teenage sons with whom they have healthy, active relationships, so everyone's a winner =)
Lupinych 3 weeks ago
As a man, among men, like myself, I think... Hmm, you know what... "Man, among men" is such a bold statement... Ok, ok, wait... Alright, as a person, with a very hefty sized package, I think... Wait, no... "Hefty" is such a BIG word for such a small... Ego... Ok, ok. As a person with the existent, but indistinguishable, qualities of manhood, I must concede that us men(like me) unfortunately, have VERY LITTLE say in the matter. It's the woman's body and the decision is ultimately hers.
TheLegendOfRandy 3 weeks ago
@TheLegendOfRandy ROFL, indeed. And all we can do, as men, is man up and deal with the situation. Well put sir, +1 Thumbs Up
Lupinych 3 weeks ago
Either way - the female does not have the right to abort a life that is legally bound to another person, without their consent. This is where legal guardianship comes into play. If she goes through with it - you should have a right to sue for psychological damages... all of that jazz. If women have the right to choose... then they have a right to the consequences of their choice.
RaiceGeriko 3 weeks ago
It's very simple. If a woman is pro-abortion without the consent of the father, and has plans to go through with it, and the father wants the child - all the father has to do is start behaving in a manner that will piss her off. All he needs to do is start belittling her and demoralizing her. She will born the child, completely out of spite for him. He will lose her love, but he will gain the love of his child. I love how complex the female mind isn't.
RaiceGeriko 3 weeks ago
@RaiceGeriko I would suggest that the phrase "I love how complex the female mind isn't" reveals the nature and extent of your prejudice, thereby totally undermining the credibility of the other points that you make. Just a thought
Lupinych 3 weeks ago
Okay, your hair looks better now!
MugwumpDavid 3 weeks ago
On abortion, woman's choice; it is a women's right to choose, it's her body--her life. She will be the mother and will have to rear the child. Man cannot compel her to have the child. Tough shit guys! When a man gest pregnant then he can make the same choice.
UNIDEN2211 3 weeks ago
@UNIDEN2211 "She will be the mother and will have to rear the child." Is adoption no longer an option? An orphanage might not be the best of environments to grow up in but it's certain better than not existing.
"Tough shit guys! When a man gest pregnant then he can make the same choice." So if the shoe was on the other foot, you'd have *no* problem with the other party involved in the creation of the pregnancy having absolutely *no* say? Even if that entailed supporting a child she didn't want?
MerlinYoda 3 weeks ago
is there anything that your not "pro" ???
krishyfishy1 3 weeks ago
@krishyfishy1 Children in sexual relationships with adults. So Muslim countries should fear my wrath.
Brittanysofficial 3 weeks ago 17
@Brittanysofficial woah woah woah. A bit of a generalization? But ya the tribal areas are fucking barbaric.
ringforrohan 2 weeks ago in playlist Politics
@Brittanysofficial but if u think about your statement there.. all your doing is forcing your views and opinions and your beliefs onto them. while we may not agree with how things are done in other cultures we should also be smart enough to accept the fact that we all believe in different things we get so angry at people for forcing there views on us when we dont realize that on a global scale we are forcing our ways and our views on other cultures.
sinester200 1 week ago
I dont think most men really care.
Nuron666 3 weeks ago
From Scotland: i will link to a very tragic case. A child died from neglect, and left in his cot for 3 weeks: There was many failings, many people blamed, mother was jailed, and social services shouted down, and grandmother questioned. While the father, just didnt want anything to do with the kid in the first place.
while that may not have much to do with the male perspective on abortion, but it would be in my opinion with the fathers half assed involvement he would of lived.
CDiffer89 4 weeks ago
I just wanted to say that I don't think any man should be exempt from paying child support, even if he didn't want the baby. It takes two to tango, it's your sperm, deal with it. I would have some sympathy if a guy used precautions and a pregnancy still happened, but even then it's not like you don't have a choice. If you really, really fear the prospect of having a baby with an individual woman, then don't sleep with her in the first place. It's that simple. Great vid Brittany, as always
Lupinych 4 weeks ago
@Lupinych you're right, it does take two to tango as it were. a woman has the right to abort or give up her baby for adoption, thereby severing all legal ties. i just think a man should have the same legal right, given that he bears half the costs and responsibilities if the woman decides to abort/adopt. it's harsh, and usually a bad situation, but it's fair.
webmaster2089 4 weeks ago
@webmaster2089 I just don't think any man has the right to expect any woman to endure the physical process, and emotional consequences, of having the unborn child she's carrying sucked from her womb. It's harsh to read, I know, but that's the reality. And a mother's unwillingness to go through that it is not an adequate reason for a guy to be exempt from his responsibilities. I'm a guy, and it sucks that women hold all the cards, but that's just the way it has to be
Lupinych 3 weeks ago
@Lupinych I never said that a woman should be forced to abort, only that the man shouldn't be forced into responsibilities that women can get out of if they so choose.
Are there not emotional consequences of a woman getting an abortion when the man wants the baby? Are there not emotional consequences of a child being unwanted by its father?
Explain to me why it has to be that way.
webmaster2089 3 weeks ago
@webmaster2089 I agree, there are emotional consequences for everyone involved, whatever the situation. But nature made us what we are, and ultimately it's the woman who has to lie on the operating table and have the abortion, or carry the child for 9 months and go through childbirth, so the final decision has to be made by her. That's just the way it is. The whole situation is pretty screwed up, but that's life
Lupinych 3 weeks ago
@Lupinych I don't see the connection between the woman deciding what to do with a pregnancy and the man's responsibilities.
webmaster2089 3 weeks ago
@webmaster2089 And that's fine. Really. But, to be fair, I think we've reached the point, which is always reached in internet discussions in my experience, where we are starting to go round in circles. To answer the question you're asking me, I would just be repeating what I have already said. That doesn't mean I don't respect your opinion, I just think we've reached the point where we are gonna have to agree to disagree. Peace and best wishes
Lupinych 3 weeks ago
@Lupinych Well congratulations on a civil internet debate. Goodnight and good luck.
webmaster2089 3 weeks ago
@webmaster2089 Heh thankyou, likewise and best wishes o7
Lupinych 3 weeks ago
@moneymakergp No I completely understand. I was just saying that IF a woman decides to keep the child, THEN then father has the right to abstain or accept responsibility for the child.
jidfurikuri 4 weeks ago
Abortions should be mandatory through the drive through at McDonald's
BlackamusJones 4 weeks ago
Put it like this: I give all my money to a woman so she now has twice as much money and then she says because she's carrying it, it's her choice to do what she wants with all of it.
CursedZebra 4 weeks ago
I've never been in this situation, and there are men who could care less. Disregarding that, I believe most men would like to be acknowledged in the decision. Ultimately, it's the mother's decision. Not a matter of state. Understandably, the father's share in the decision is not going to be the largest, but his feelings should at least be considered. There are many unwed mothers, quite maternal, with unwilling fathers... But what if the father is paternal, the mother unwilling?
JohnnyDystar 4 weeks ago 2
@JohnnyDystar
I think regardless if the father is willing or not, if the mother is unwilling then that's the end of the story. However, an unwilling father should not be obligated or expected to help support the mother if she does have the baby (with the exception of maybe a rape case).
Idoloish 4 weeks ago
@Idoloish Just my point, why not consider giving the baby to the father? I'm not saying it's necessary every time, but it seems to be all or nothing for the mother and the father has to deal with whatever decision the mother makes. Like I said, some men could care less, but many men do care. Or are we saying it's not their concern? Never their concern?
JohnnyDystar 4 weeks ago
@JohnnyDystar
I understand what you're saying. And yeah, if I ever got a girl pregnant and wanted to keep the baby, but she aborted it, I'd feel awful.
However, I do acknowledge that I wont have to be the one to go through the pain of childbirth, and the months of stress of having the baby inside me, so I think women should have all the say-so about their abortion.
But, if she wanted to keep the baby and I didn't, then fuck her. I shouldn't have to pay child support.
Idoloish 4 weeks ago 2
You look amazing in this vedio...Can we get a chance to suggest ur hairstyle /costume/makeup and ur pose for the upcoming vedio.It will make this more interactive, interesting and exiting.
karmakamaislife 4 weeks ago
I've known someone who went through this. She got the abortion because she wasnt ready to have a baby. The father wanted to keep it but she didnt. He had no say so. Its so sad actually. I dont know how I would be able to take that.
TheZaytv 1 month ago
I have a question:
What do you think about circumcision? Male or female, doesn't matter.
JackSkellingFrost 1 month ago
@JackSkellingFrost I'd like to think that the child, once older, can make a choice on whether or not they'd like to be cut up :)
Brittanysofficial 4 weeks ago 11
@Brittanysofficial When a person goes to the dentist for a tooth extraction ot when I had my tonsals taken out would you say i was being cut up.
Probably not.
It was a stupid question to ask and you should not have answered it that way.
You say you are an Athiest but even so you must know that in the Jewish religion
a bris is done on the 8th day unless the infant is ill.
You should also know.that it is safe and the infant does not suffer.
So why be so negative.
bornbillsmith 3 weeks ago
@bornbillsmith What? Are you seriously comparing a consensual and necessary medical procedure to the arbitrary removal of a part of the genitalia?
BrandNewBriefcase 3 weeks ago
@BrandNewBriefcase Yes but you wouldn't understand.
bornbillsmith 3 weeks ago
@bornbillsmith Sorry to say it, but your statement is horribly passive-aggressive. No parent has the right to mutilate their child's genitalia, no matter what value system they subscribe to
Lupinych 3 weeks ago
@LupinychHow is this passive aggressive..
If anything that;s what you are actually doing.
If you buy your argument then I'm a representation of something aggressive.
If you accept my argument then you are aggressive in that your position is aggressive towards mine but you are doing it in a passive way(making a comment as compared to doing something physical).
Now that I got that out of the way I can tell you it's not mutilation as the forskin has no function after a child is born.
bornbillsmith 3 weeks ago
@Lupinych I've read some of your views.
You are passively taking a position( not doing anything physical) that is supporting something that is aggressive (killing something)
For someone from England you should understand the concept of passive aggressive behavior.
So you have no problems with abortion but taking a very thin piece of skin that serves no function and is a sign of the covenant is a problem.
Abortion done after the first trimester is wrong and women know it.
bornbillsmith 3 weeks ago
@bornbillsmith If the women hasn't made up her mind by the first trimester then unless there is a medical reason to abort she should keep the fetus.
Unless you want to tie her down and watch her all day long there's no way you can stop her from doing the abortion herself(using a hanger for example)
Any law making it illegal can put some women's life in danger and therefore shouldn't be done.
However you can still use the power of moral persuasion and let her know how you feel.
bornbillsmith 3 weeks ago
@Brittanysofficial +1 Well said. When you realise the purpose is to basically make sex less fun so that people are better behaved. Pretty sick really.
dave204ish 3 weeks ago
@Brittanysofficial only problem with that is most adult males who are circumcised (not "cut up" thanks) are glad that the surgery was performed while they were young allowing them to forget it and enjoy the benefits through out their life. The problem is female and male circumcision are viewed very differently in our society and I don't think can fairly be lumped together in 1 question as there are no benefits to female circumcision and it is generally done inhumanly.
FalseFace13 2 weeks ago
I decided not to have vaginal intercourse because of this. I probably will have vaginal sex at some point in my life, but I would first have to be extremely sure what that woman would do with a pregnancy. My future would be in her hands, so giving birth without my consent might as well be fatal to me.
TheLonelyImmortal 1 month ago
So it is no problem to make Euthanasia, Cloning,Patenting, selling. And funny is: Patents are a title of ownership. Patenting embryos!! You have a very nice position.It is a kind of slavery again.
siriusstar10000 1 month ago
my thoughts on the matter are here: Man should be let to say their thoughts on the matter to person who is carrying his child and that person should truly listen and think about the said things, but in the end it is only woman who should be making any kind of call on the matter simply because in the end it is woman who has to carry the consequense of the decision. BUT if man is not ready for a child, there should be somekind of possibility for him to avoid financial liability.
Ga1us 1 month ago
Two yes's to baby=baby :D
One no=no baby.
Sniiigel 1 month ago
How about the notion that maybe a woman doesnt want an abortion even if her baby's daddy does? What if he feels like he isnt ready but she has the baby? If a man feels he is ready for a child but she doesnt, she can have an abortion. In the same way a man who is not ready for a child and wants his gf/wife to get an abortion and she carries it to term, he should be allowed to just step away. Otherwise it feels like we are forcing men to have kids, much like we did women when abortion was illegal
crackerkiller89 1 month ago
@crackerkiller89 what are you saying? he should be allowed to step away. Well, hate to break it to you, but he is. The woman has the baby, we can't change that. Yet. So for the time being she carries the responsibility. I wish it was evenly divided but it just isn't. The only thing we can do is give the woman full control. She can abort, she can keep, she can tell the man to fuck off, and she can not be separated from her child (except if she's a criminal). Which is fine with me, as a man.
timmay301 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
You're videos look better while your standing
SimplyTheUsual 1 month ago 3
@SimplyTheUsual I'll keep that in mind :)
Brittanysofficial 1 month ago
Frida Kahlo <3
hst6655 1 month ago
If women want equity, why don't they just stop taking their baby father's money.
If we want women to have as high salary as men, we should expect them to have one!
It's a double standard cause men don't ''take'' child support from their ex-wives.
... I'm 15 years old, but my awesome sauce is white enough for a woman's turkey baster, dose my opinion still count as a man's opinion?
williammoller9 1 month ago
@williammoller9 no.
timmay301 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
I think the man has the right to know. The decision in the end lies with the woman because I don't think anybody should be forced to do something they don't want to. And by the same measure I think the man has the right to step away and not get involved if he doesn't want to become a parent. I don't think men have an inherent responsibility with regard to pregnancy, beyond that implied by the existing relationship.
sorin7486 1 month ago
To be included would be enough for me. Too often it seems any thought or opinion i might have on abortion is just ignored by the opposite gender. So just being kept in the loop would go a long ways for me.
Kamidake83 1 month ago
Pretty and smart...on the interwebbings!? This fuckin shit ain't logical...
TronPachioftheDynamo 1 month ago
Totally understand. It was one of TJ's arguments on lack of male rights, but I thought it was one of his weakest arguments and one of the things I disagree with him on.
What's fair is that it's your body yielding to another human being, having to go through physical and mental stress for 9 mo., if not longer. While it would be socially apt if a woman included the man in both each other's mistake/problem/solution scenario, it is still her body, and that is where 'fair' should logically lean.
BlueMaxx86 1 month ago
Out of curiosity, how many other "positions", do you feel that way about?
JapaneseStudentSan 1 month ago
Wanna hear a joke about my dick? Nevermind it's too long
ProfoundVirgin 1 month ago
@ProfoundVirgin Wanna hear a joke about a vagina? Nevermind you'll never get it
HereComesTheStorm33 1 month ago 3
House is looking at you from the shelf ;)
onemasterslayer 1 month ago 2
@onemasterslayer haha I saw that too. House is awesome
moneymakergp 1 month ago
@onemasterslayer That man can do whatever he likes to me :)
Brittanysofficial 1 month ago 13
What it feels like? Imagine your boyfriend was the one getting pregnant, now imagine, there are no laws that protect you, no safety, no choices, nothing you say has no value, effect or power to change the fact, that your boyfriend now has every means of power and choice in his hands, to change your life as he see's fit. And all you can do, is just stand there, powerless, destroyed and of course being told, that you're the woman you allowed him to get pregnant, it's your fault. Horror, extreme.
FoxvoxDK 1 month ago 3
@FoxvoxDK can't like your comment enough. women need to imagine that elated joy of finding out that they will be a parent men can feel. some men actually WANT that. then they should imagine the soul crushing feeling when they find out the child was killed. and if two people are in an honest relationship, she will tell him she aborted. the dishonesty ends many relationships when the guy finds out second hand. if she hides it she is lying to him, and that is never good for relationships.
37butterflyprincess 1 month ago
You can't always have true equality. I feel like I agree and disagree with both sides of this subject.
ErikBokk 1 month ago
You speak of men's and women's perspective on things. There's a saying. "To fully understand the feelings of another, you must walk two moons in their mockisons" Does this make any sense?
LadyLolitaJenny 1 month ago
@LadyLolitaJenny It does indeed; To better understand the other person, you must walk 1 month(new moon -> full moon -> new moon) in their moccasins/sandals/shoes/socks/pants. It's pretty much a metaphor for being in another persons body, or situation, for a period of time :).
FoxvoxDK 1 month ago
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@LadyLolitaJenny It does indeed; To better understand the other person, you must walk 1 month(new moon -> full moon -> new moon) in their moccasins/sandals/shoes/socks/pants. It's pretty much a metaphor for being in another persons body, or situation, for a period of time :).
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@LadyLolitaJenny It does indeed; To better understand the other person, you must walk 1 month(new moon -> full moon -> new moon) in their moccasins/sandals/shoes/socks/pants. It's pretty much a metaphor for being in another persons body, or situation, for a period of time :).
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@LadyLolitaJenny It does indeed; To better understand the other person, you must walk 1 month(new moon -> full moon -> new moon) in their moccasins/sandals/shoes/socks/pants. It's pretty much a metaphor for being in another persons body, or situation, for a period of time :).
FoxvoxDK 1 month ago
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@LadyLolitaJenny It does indeed; To better understand the other person, you must walk 1 month(new moon -> full moon -> new moon) in their moccasins/sandals/shoes/socks/pants. It's pretty much a metaphor for being in another persons body, or situation, for a period of time :).
FoxvoxDK 1 month ago
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@LadyLolitaJenny It does indeed; To better understand the other person, you must walk 1 month(new moon -> full moon -> new moon) in their moccasins/sandals/shoes/socks/pants. It's pretty much a metaphor for being in another persons body, or situation, for a period of time :).
FoxvoxDK 1 month ago
IMO, Men are not qualified in talking about abortion.
Mulletboi86 1 month ago
@Mulletboi86 Your lack of respect for other people's opinions invalidates your own opinion. You think that men have no real right to have an opinion on this issue? Yeah the woman carries the child, but somehow that gives them unilateral rights to do whatever the fuck they want with regard to the pregnancy and to have the only valid opinions on the issue? Bullshit. No one should have the right to make life changing decisions for someone else without their consent.
ARKAtheist 1 month ago 3
@Mulletboi86 yeah, cause women just magically get pregnant, right? men have no part in it.
37butterflyprincess 1 month ago
Frida Kahlo... nice.
LangeTheThird 1 month ago
Brittany I LOOOVE your hair!! ^_^
MissIneedAttention 1 month ago
Women have many more reproductive options then me. Women have the pill the morning after pill abortion adoption and the choice to keep the child and force me to support her in her choice whether I agree to it or not. I have not considered this fully but to me it would seem more appropriate for women to keep most of there options but for men to be able to "legally abort" there child and for the farther to have certain privileges of preference if the women wants to give her child up for adoption.
antonyneal 1 month ago
your partner that well or if you have doubt's about your decision then you really need to leave it up to her. IDK make your own choice but for me i will alway's feel like a dick about it.
mgenetiano 1 month ago
My girlfriend at the time got a abortion because i told her it was her choice. We were young and bothe had goal's we were struggling with. At the moment it seemed like the right thing to do but it was something i could'nt shake or feel o.k about. Are relationship did'nt last too long after this. She love'd me and she did it for us and i love'd her but i alway's felt like i made the wrong choice so i did'nt feal good about that choice or are relationship. (my F_ing Bad) You know if you dont know
mgenetiano 1 month ago
@mgenetiano Im sorry you have theist views which cause this discomfort by condemning what you did. My atheist perspective liberates me from that sort of cognitive dissonance.
moneymakergp 1 month ago
@moneymakergp What are you talking about? Theist views don't cause discomfort in regards to abortion. It's a much simpler view that causes the discomfort: the discomfort involved with terminating a life. Most atheists would also have trouble with killing a fetus.
Cherrybloodsyrup 1 month ago
@Cherrybloodsyrup I sometimes forget that not all athiests are as cut and dry as I am. While a fetus can feel pain I sympathize with terminating one. This is going to sound bad, but I have killed many bugs, spiders, mice, rats, etc as do many other people. In your opinion how does the life of an embryo or zygote differ from these in order to garner more respect. Im hoping your an atheist or one answers this.
moneymakergp 4 weeks ago
@moneymakergp Cherrybloodsyrup sums it up best.
mgenetiano 1 month ago
I could make a response but I can't speak for men only for myself. Well and my close guy friend/s that I know well. I truly believe everyone is different.
skidwilldanceforyou 1 month ago
I feel I have no say, at all. A Woman can do whatever she likes and prefers against any and all wishes the male counterpart might have. If I say I do not wish the child upon me, the woman can say, but I do, and it shall be so, with the male standing idly by, having to support it.. If I say, I wish the child upon me, the Woman can say, I do not, the Woman can kill his offspring, against his wish, with no ramifications. I have one choice, to wear a condom, even with a "trusted" partner.
FoxvoxDK 1 month ago
Everyone has rights to life and liberty unless it comes to hurting others, abortion removes both of those. Nuff said.
jlennon1000 1 month ago
I was 19 she was 17 right out of highschool her mom stopped all contact from me and had the baby aborted. Pride let me act like I wasn't bothered inside I was extremely angry, sad, and confused. It hurt to know someone just killed a future part of me without me knowing. Explaining exactly what I mean is impossible.
ImMrCharles 1 month ago
@ImMrCharles It sounds as if you defined "it" as your offspring and had all the emotions associated with a child and then felt sad because you felt it was "taken" from you. Curious, How would you react if she had gone to the toilet and come back and said, I think I just miscarried?
moneymakergp 1 month ago
once again kill the bastard. i think the world is better when u choose ur kids why such a dark perspective?
fujibuds 1 month ago
This is such a tricky subject because there really is no way for both the man and woman to "win." If a woman gets pregnant and doesn't want the baby, but the man really does want it, there's no way for them both to get their way. If she aborts, like she wants, then that's unfair to the father. If he makes her keep it to full term, that's unfair to the mother. If she carries it full term, hands it to the dad and then abandons them both, it's unfair to not only the father, but also the child.
kmerrill4444 1 month ago
as a man i cans at least say this: when you have a pregnancy you feel like its a part of you in that child, now the woman do have to carry and deal with the baby during the 9 month period but i feel the guy in the relationship should have some say as to what happens to this baby because its still 50% his baby you cant get pregnant with out both people.
abogge14 1 month ago
@Brittanysofficial thanks for the video response back! I understand that I cannot understand the what it's like for a man in this situation. The Amazing Atheist actually talked about the inequality of the man when it came to his decision in a woman's pregnancy. . . .That if he impregnates a woman and she decides to abort the child, it's unfair, especially if he honestly and truly wants to keep the child. In that way, we are stripping the rights of men when it comes to abortions.
jidfurikuri 1 month ago
@jidfurikuri I'm a man and I believe that if my woman gets pregnant, she has the right to terminate, and I should have the right to paternal surrender as loqutor put it. But as a man I don't think I should have any right to tell a woman she has to birth my child. Reason being my part is to give sperm, her part is to go through the crazy rollercoaster of pregnancy and birth, both of which carry the possibility of death.
moneymakergp 1 month ago
@moneymakergp and I use the word "my" very loosely
moneymakergp 1 month ago
@moneymakergp I agree that men should have the right to withdraw any financial obligations.
BringBRToTheUK 1 month ago 24
my biggest fear is that a women im with will get pregnant with my child and then leave me to keep the child or abort the child. i understand what a women might be going through but the man should have a say cause if they choose to keep the child then our lives are equally affected from that moment, and if they choose to abort then we're also loosing a child and our chance to be fathers. its just bad how men are so powerless in these situations and our lives are so affected by either situation
Vengent1 1 month ago
Well, if we planned out the baby, and she aborted it, i can understand getting upset. However, for a man to suggest that he feels as much of emotional /physical connection as a woman is wrong. And, thats what this sounds like here. It sounds like a Conservative/Republican (i am biased, and i dont agree with either left or right) tactic. Its a lame ass argument. Im sorry, im a male and, i think that its a womans choice. This whole anti-abortion thing is stupid.
illuminatijews 1 month ago
protect uself and shut up
AXharoth 1 month ago
It's funny you ask, because last Saturday my girlfriend officially oops'd me in to a pregnancy and as of now is not talking to me. People are quick to blame men in these scenarios, but I can tell you while I obviously share part of the responsibility, my gf was less than honest with me, to put it politely. I don't know if I'll ever be able to trust her again, much less raise a child with her. But because of society's perceptions I'm the asshole. Whatever.
rprnorg 1 month ago 2
@rprnorg Actually I think shes the asshole in this case. From what you said it sounds like she tampered with the birthcontrol. I honeslty think that men should have the right to drop custody of these fake "ooop's pregnancys" if they can prove or get the woman to admit that they faked being on the pill or poked holes in the condoms. If we could find an effective way of doing this the rate of women tricking men into fatherhood should drop.
RobotLovesToo 1 month ago
As a man, my attitude is that unless the man wants to say "if you have the baby I'll take it off your hands and you don't have to worry about it" then he needs to STFU. Its ultimately the woman's body and therefore her descision. Nothing the man says ranks higher than advice at best.
jordanowen42 1 month ago 2