@akaOtara you souldn't say that, you may not like the Flag, who cares what it looks like or what it has or hasn't got on it, it is a flag of a country that is good,right,just,loving,kind and wonderful, God of nations at they feet, in the bonds of love we meet, hear our voices we entreat God Defend our free land, ok God Defend NZ was not wrote so fuck heads like you can say Burn baby Burn,
to burn the flag of your own country is treason, and as such should be dealt with severely, those who have fought under that flag for the freedom that we enjoy today deserve more respect. you people are the scum of the earth and nothing more than the snot in a taliban tissue. fuck you, i hope you die.
@rugby0908 i agree with you, that wonderful Flag sould be flown high and proud and not burnt, i im an American but, i take pride in stringing that flag up outside my house and taking it down every night and folding it right. I think we need more people like you, :)
Fuck off "Workers party" fucking communist wannabes. None of you actually work, you just suck money out of student fees. When will you learn almost no one supports your views? that should be clear after your pathetic attempt to get into parliament.
I myself am a communist but I know that some of my own family died serving under that flag to fight facism. If you sight part of your reason for burning it as a statement against World War 2 then you are a disgrace to us all. The way forward to our own nation is not to burn the past but to learn from it and build the foundations of the future. You sound more like anarchists than socialists. A disappointment to us all.
Flag burning will never gain the respect of the people. It will only serve to alienate the party and keep communism in the realm of radicals and anarchists in the public eye. I have no cognitive dissonance, I just realise that what potentially could be a powerful party one day is limiting itself by its own ill concieved ideas. Mao triumphed not just from war but by winning the hearts and minds of his people. Do you really think burning flags will win the hearts and minds of the NZ people?
@darthviatahn You have cognitive dissonance in that you have this somewhat mystical allegiance to the NZ flag, despite being a communist. Seriously you sound like a right-wing patriot saying "my granddaddy died for dat flag!!!!". The correctness of the tactic is a different question entirely.
The flag is a symbol of our people which many identify with. It has been worn into battle by those who died for our people. It isn't about an allegiance to the flag but to the people it represents. If you don't resepct the people then you are not a true communist. Though I see now the error of my ways in commenting in a place where absoloutists dwell so openly. Clearly you like the idea of being a revoloutionary more than you like the ideals of which you fight for.
'Flags, Emblems, and Names Protection (Freedom of Expression) Amendment Bill
Member's Bill
Explanatory Note
This bill amends the Flags, Emblems, and Names Protection Act 1981 to repeal the offences of defacing or dishonouring the New Zealand flag, which currently carry a penalty of a fine of up to $5,000.
The law is clearly inconsistent with the affirmation of freedom of expression in the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990, and the attempt to render a consistent interpretation in Hopkinson v Police resulted in the law being read down to the extent that it is now effectively a dead letter.'
You got banned from the University for this thoughtless prank. That's what you get for polluting the environment with noxious fumes when you burnt the flag.
What the fuck are you doing burning the NZ flag you bunch of wankers. Many people had died for that flag and are defending what that flag represents. Dont turn this country into acts of war like the Afganistans or any other third world country. I am absolutly pissed that anyone in this country who has been given freedom and chances to do well in life would do something so idiotic and rediculous as buring our flag. I hated Tame Iti for doing what he did but you guys should be arrested. WANKERS
We're not protesting his turning it into a political issue. It has always been political; it's a nation-building exercise. An event which involves marching soldiers, words like "freedom," and entrenchment of militarism by politicians is not apolitical.
You are an idiot mate, i hope u get the same treatment as the flag. Go live in another country like Iraq if u hate our flag so much, Ur a right royal Bell end!
And what's really annoying is how many new zealanders plus the gov. never give the USSR any recognition at all for their massive war effort against the nazis on ANZAC days.
Stalin, like him or hate him, was an incredible leader, who knows what the situation would be now without him.
Maybe we would be all speaking japanese or german lol
This is truly heartbreaking to see. I wish i hadn't watched it. What was said in the paper to day is true - you are an attention seeker. Only someone with a warped sense of self righteousness could burn this great nations flag and hide behind some leftist cause of expression. Its a pathetic excuse to introduce your grandfather as a veteran - if he is, he would despise your actions and be deeply ashamed. You will regret this as well. Get a job, contribute constructively & vote to make changes
It is a day where a nation remembers the dead. It is not about glorifying or celebrating war. It is meant to be a reminder of why we should avoid war. You can argue that hasn't worked, but ANZAC Day still exists to remind us.
If you want to protest war, why don't you protest action movies and video games: they glorify and trivialize war..
'It is meant to be a reminder of why we should avoid war.'
Then why do we keep hear about soldiers dying for our freedom, and why is it used to facilitate moves such as Kevin Rudd's expansion of military spending? If it was white poppies and moves towards disarmament, we'd support it.
"Then why do we keep hear about soldiers dying for our freedom"
Because most people believe that they did. I'm not going to get into a hypothetical discussion on what the world would be like today had the Nazi regime continued unopposed. The sad fact is that they died. We honour the dead, but not the wars.
Last time I checked, Kevin Rudd was the PM of AUSTRALIA. He has nothing to do with NZ military spending.
Perhaps you should have burned the Australian flag if that is your only excuse.
"I'm not going to get into a hypothetical discussion on what the world would be like today had the Nazi regime continued unopposed."
How about if we hadn't sent troops to Galipolli? The Allies wouldn't have got a valuable trade route for Tsarist Russia, and we wouldn't have lost so many men.
"Last time I checked, Kevin Rudd was the PM of AUSTRALIA. He has nothing to do with NZ military spending."
He's establishing an ANZAC Task Force, which will incorporate NZ military.
Good to see that the Workers Party is living up to its Stalinist roots and subjugating free speech.
While I recognise flag burning as a legitimate form of protest Cosgrove and anyone who agrees with him in this case are in the wrong. There was no need to take such reactionary measures when quiet debate is all that is needed.
How the hell is burning a flag "subjugating free speech"?
Everyone who has criticized us so far have all seemed to use strawman arguments. I am entirely happy to engage on the issue but that shit is ridiculous.
First off anzac day is way of remembering the lives lost at ww1 to protect the freedom we have now not a day to condone war.
The fact you burnt a flag in protest of that is a disgrace to the lives lost by new zealanders at war. Thank god the rest of the nation does not believe in view of this party and mr cosgrove who brunt the flag.
What freedom? WWI was a war between a bunch of burgeoning imperialist superpowers because of a convoluted military treaties and alliances. Historians have not yet found any 1914 Turkish plans to invade New Zealand.
If it's not a celebration of war, why do it's proponents always talk about "freedom"? And why does it facilitate moves such as Rudd's ANZAC Strike Force.
We should honour the soldiers who lost their lives, not the imperialist governments that sent them to their deaths. Gallipoli was not necessary to safeguard our freedom, it was diplomatically important to the British ruling class.
this was a good protest about the shit that that we do in war and the fact that we've had so many of them and are still in wars, obviously we haven't learnt a thing and everyone who died meant shit to nz and others in war.its all relevant and i think you should do you homework before you write shit up on you tube, you obviously don't know shit..
And yet they can do this in there free liberal nation. Some people have so respect for anything.
Molego2011 5 months ago
Long Live COMMUNISM!
Death to Imperialism!
COMMUNISTPHILOSOPHY 5 months ago
DON'T BURN IT YOU MOTHER FUCKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TheUkitake13 9 months ago
burn baby burn
akaOtara 9 months ago
@akaOtara you souldn't say that, you may not like the Flag, who cares what it looks like or what it has or hasn't got on it, it is a flag of a country that is good,right,just,loving,kind and wonderful, God of nations at they feet, in the bonds of love we meet, hear our voices we entreat God Defend our free land, ok God Defend NZ was not wrote so fuck heads like you can say Burn baby Burn,
TheUkitake13 9 months ago
@TheUkitake13 take your God of nations and put it up your asshole
akaOtara 9 months ago
Mate....(workerspartynz), you are so off in your own delusions that you completely miss the point of ANZAC Day. Grow up mate!!!
jimoz41 1 year ago
to burn the flag of your own country is treason, and as such should be dealt with severely, those who have fought under that flag for the freedom that we enjoy today deserve more respect. you people are the scum of the earth and nothing more than the snot in a taliban tissue. fuck you, i hope you die.
rugby0908 1 year ago 2
@rugby0908 i agree with you, that wonderful Flag sould be flown high and proud and not burnt, i im an American but, i take pride in stringing that flag up outside my house and taking it down every night and folding it right. I think we need more people like you, :)
TheUkitake13 9 months ago
i hate that flag GRRRRRRR
caleb1823 1 year ago
Fuck off "Workers party" fucking communist wannabes. None of you actually work, you just suck money out of student fees. When will you learn almost no one supports your views? that should be clear after your pathetic attempt to get into parliament.
rory1232009 2 years ago
you are pathetic so stfu
godzillaoo7 2 years ago
Thanks for burn NZ flag. Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam and Solomon Islands never fall
boracanasli3 2 years ago
I myself am a communist but I know that some of my own family died serving under that flag to fight facism. If you sight part of your reason for burning it as a statement against World War 2 then you are a disgrace to us all. The way forward to our own nation is not to burn the past but to learn from it and build the foundations of the future. You sound more like anarchists than socialists. A disappointment to us all.
darthviatahn 2 years ago 2
@darthviatahn Your cognitive dissonance must be painful, my sympathies
mcteethinator 2 years ago
Flag burning will never gain the respect of the people. It will only serve to alienate the party and keep communism in the realm of radicals and anarchists in the public eye. I have no cognitive dissonance, I just realise that what potentially could be a powerful party one day is limiting itself by its own ill concieved ideas. Mao triumphed not just from war but by winning the hearts and minds of his people. Do you really think burning flags will win the hearts and minds of the NZ people?
darthviatahn 2 years ago
@darthviatahn You have cognitive dissonance in that you have this somewhat mystical allegiance to the NZ flag, despite being a communist. Seriously you sound like a right-wing patriot saying "my granddaddy died for dat flag!!!!". The correctness of the tactic is a different question entirely.
mcteethinator 2 years ago
The flag is a symbol of our people which many identify with. It has been worn into battle by those who died for our people. It isn't about an allegiance to the flag but to the people it represents. If you don't resepct the people then you are not a true communist. Though I see now the error of my ways in commenting in a place where absoloutists dwell so openly. Clearly you like the idea of being a revoloutionary more than you like the ideals of which you fight for.
darthviatahn 2 years ago
'Flags, Emblems, and Names Protection (Freedom of Expression) Amendment Bill
Member's Bill
Explanatory Note
This bill amends the Flags, Emblems, and Names Protection Act 1981 to repeal the offences of defacing or dishonouring the New Zealand flag, which currently carry a penalty of a fine of up to $5,000.
Guevaristas 2 years ago
The law is clearly inconsistent with the affirmation of freedom of expression in the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990, and the attempt to render a consistent interpretation in Hopkinson v Police resulted in the law being read down to the extent that it is now effectively a dead letter.'
Guevaristas 2 years ago
good shit, like it
TheNationalistParty 2 years ago
lovely piece of work, death to imperialism
Guevaristas 2 years ago
In germany they voted 38% for the comunists.
YouNeverIever 2 years ago
i burn the flag and wipe my ass with it every day fuck the flag
basak983 2 years ago
You got banned from the University for this thoughtless prank. That's what you get for polluting the environment with noxious fumes when you burnt the flag.
prochoicenz 2 years ago
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caleb1823 2 years ago
good one you stupid fucks show your faces on tv. that flag aint the only thing thats gonna be stomped on
azabigcat 2 years ago
What the fuck are you doing burning the NZ flag you bunch of wankers. Many people had died for that flag and are defending what that flag represents. Dont turn this country into acts of war like the Afganistans or any other third world country. I am absolutly pissed that anyone in this country who has been given freedom and chances to do well in life would do something so idiotic and rediculous as buring our flag. I hated Tame Iti for doing what he did but you guys should be arrested. WANKERS
sarangeboi007 2 years ago
you are just jealous that you lack the balls to do it
TheNationalistParty 2 years ago
Hope you get arrested and put in with the homos so you get raped right where you like it. Up the arse. Fags
sarangeboi007 2 years ago
you stupid red neck cuntard, you should be fuked with a brrom stick in your fat arsehole
TheNationalistParty 2 years ago
Cosgrove: You're a muppet
DelphNZ 2 years ago
Not only was that childish, that was the lamest half-arsed flag burning I've ever seen. Ask Iti how to do it properly, kiddies.
blackgraper 2 years ago
Attention seeking loosers. If you have such contempt for NZ dont live here. I wouldnt pee on you if you were on fire.
Delerium125 2 years ago
What a stupid bunch of children.
ryanstev30 2 years ago
Congratulations Workers Party, you just successfully alienated countless people who may have been otherwise sympathetic to your cause.
ArjeeBhajee 2 years ago
"He's establishing an ANZAC Task Force, which will incorporate NZ military."
Really, turning ANZAC Day into a political issue to protest Kevin Rudd attempting to make it a political issue is a bit hypocritical, don't you think?
nimblesquirrel 2 years ago
We're not protesting his turning it into a political issue. It has always been political; it's a nation-building exercise. An event which involves marching soldiers, words like "freedom," and entrenchment of militarism by politicians is not apolitical.
workerspartynz 2 years ago
War sucks like a floor suck.
This guy is a tryhard, resourced by English translations of Russian literature.
Its dude like this that give pragmatic lefties a bad image.
usernamevacuum 2 years ago
You are an idiot mate, i hope u get the same treatment as the flag. Go live in another country like Iraq if u hate our flag so much, Ur a right royal Bell end!
Fatsin01 2 years ago
This is fucken lame. Tama Iti did it so much better.
What a bunch of losers...
prochoicenz 2 years ago
nice one.
And what's really annoying is how many new zealanders plus the gov. never give the USSR any recognition at all for their massive war effort against the nazis on ANZAC days.
Stalin, like him or hate him, was an incredible leader, who knows what the situation would be now without him.
Maybe we would be all speaking japanese or german lol
Guevaristas 2 years ago
This is truly heartbreaking to see. I wish i hadn't watched it. What was said in the paper to day is true - you are an attention seeker. Only someone with a warped sense of self righteousness could burn this great nations flag and hide behind some leftist cause of expression. Its a pathetic excuse to introduce your grandfather as a veteran - if he is, he would despise your actions and be deeply ashamed. You will regret this as well. Get a job, contribute constructively & vote to make changes
kiwistylesnz 2 years ago
Get over it, it's just a fucken flag.
prochoicenz 2 years ago 5
yeah it just a flag it not like burning money
caleb1823 2 years ago
idiots
gratefulmule 2 years ago
You have no concept of what ANZAC Day is.
It is a day where a nation remembers the dead. It is not about glorifying or celebrating war. It is meant to be a reminder of why we should avoid war. You can argue that hasn't worked, but ANZAC Day still exists to remind us.
If you want to protest war, why don't you protest action movies and video games: they glorify and trivialize war..
Why not burn an x-box instad of a flag?
nimblesquirrel 2 years ago
'It is meant to be a reminder of why we should avoid war.'
Then why do we keep hear about soldiers dying for our freedom, and why is it used to facilitate moves such as Kevin Rudd's expansion of military spending? If it was white poppies and moves towards disarmament, we'd support it.
workerspartynz 2 years ago
"Then why do we keep hear about soldiers dying for our freedom"
Because most people believe that they did. I'm not going to get into a hypothetical discussion on what the world would be like today had the Nazi regime continued unopposed. The sad fact is that they died. We honour the dead, but not the wars.
Last time I checked, Kevin Rudd was the PM of AUSTRALIA. He has nothing to do with NZ military spending.
Perhaps you should have burned the Australian flag if that is your only excuse.
nimblesquirrel 2 years ago
"I'm not going to get into a hypothetical discussion on what the world would be like today had the Nazi regime continued unopposed."
How about if we hadn't sent troops to Galipolli? The Allies wouldn't have got a valuable trade route for Tsarist Russia, and we wouldn't have lost so many men.
"Last time I checked, Kevin Rudd was the PM of AUSTRALIA. He has nothing to do with NZ military spending."
He's establishing an ANZAC Task Force, which will incorporate NZ military.
workerspartynz 2 years ago
@nimblesquirrel You are awesome !!!
Molego2011 5 months ago
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nimblesquirrel 2 years ago
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DISGUSTING
I have no problems with burning the flag, however this should not be done as a way to disrupt a student meeting and is a potential fire hazard.
What would have happened were it not raining???????
Would the flag burning have gone ahead anyway?
I hope not!
headlessrd 2 years ago
That's why we went out onto the balcony rather than burning it right there in the bar. And it was raining, there's no "what if."
workerspartynz 2 years ago
Brothers and sisters burn the flag of the borgeoi...something BURN! For the thousands who gave their lives to a capitalist military screw up
UNITE AND MARCH ON PARLIAMENT GET RID OF OUR CAPITALIST CHAINS!!!!!!!!!!
mongoliancarrot 2 years ago
Good to see that the Workers Party is living up to its Stalinist roots and subjugating free speech.
While I recognise flag burning as a legitimate form of protest Cosgrove and anyone who agrees with him in this case are in the wrong. There was no need to take such reactionary measures when quiet debate is all that is needed.
thefistofbuddha 2 years ago
How the hell is burning a flag "subjugating free speech"?
Everyone who has criticized us so far have all seemed to use strawman arguments. I am entirely happy to engage on the issue but that shit is ridiculous.
mcteethinator 2 years ago 3
First off anzac day is way of remembering the lives lost at ww1 to protect the freedom we have now not a day to condone war.
The fact you burnt a flag in protest of that is a disgrace to the lives lost by new zealanders at war. Thank god the rest of the nation does not believe in view of this party and mr cosgrove who brunt the flag.
dddbeetle 2 years ago 3
What freedom? WWI was a war between a bunch of burgeoning imperialist superpowers because of a convoluted military treaties and alliances. Historians have not yet found any 1914 Turkish plans to invade New Zealand.
mcteethinator 2 years ago
New Zealand as it is now did not EXIST in 1914 mcteethinator. New Zealand was simply an extention of Britain.
Tyferra 2 years ago
Cool rebuttal bro!!!!!!
mcteethinator 2 years ago
If it's not a celebration of war, why do it's proponents always talk about "freedom"? And why does it facilitate moves such as Rudd's ANZAC Strike Force.
We should honour the soldiers who lost their lives, not the imperialist governments that sent them to their deaths. Gallipoli was not necessary to safeguard our freedom, it was diplomatically important to the British ruling class.
idunnobigandhappy 2 years ago 2
this was a good protest about the shit that that we do in war and the fact that we've had so many of them and are still in wars, obviously we haven't learnt a thing and everyone who died meant shit to nz and others in war.its all relevant and i think you should do you homework before you write shit up on you tube, you obviously don't know shit..
channelman09 2 years ago
what a bunch of wankers
forde100 2 years ago
Burning a flag for the sake of burning it achieves nothing.
nzv8fan 2 years ago
These people are so affected. It just demonstrates why only 0.04% of the New Zealand population voted for them.
hone2006 2 years ago
good fucking call
Militantcheese 2 years ago 3
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hone2006 2 years ago