@sturmgewehre. I follow the exact same practice you do and found this video. I also save my "old" ammo for range practice. I now have the concern that this may be unsafe. Any thoughts?
theres a vid floating around on youtube where a guy bought a 250 round pack of remington umc 9mm fmj 114gr and it was a bad batch, some bullets were so far set back in the casing that it was just scary, some were 2-5mm into the casing, they fired fine but i wouldnt trust those rounds personally.
Nice Video. I just finished chambering the same .40 S&W round in a G27 45 times with no setback at all verified with a dial caliper. The ammo is WW Q4369 180 gr. Bonded JHP. I will say that this was the hardest bullet to pull with a kinetic puller that I have ever pulled. It appears to have a tar like sealant on it. With all that said I did witness a severe setback several years ago with a Seecamp .32 and Winchester STHP's.
Good vid. Too many armorers are desk jockeys at heart. I've had several act as if I was requesting a prostate exam when telling them to give me a bullet to trade for an obviously unserviceable. Bullets like the PDX off by many mm's, or even loose. I'd be forced to put one in the bottom of the mag. Most don't. Dumb.
Thanks for the info man..alot of times theres really no choice in setback unless i leave a piece of paper on the front end of the safe and it saying "Its LOADED" lol
@mcmelonmaster I consider that to be an unloaded weapon and a liability. Many malfunctions occur during the manual chambering of rounds. Walking around with an empty chamber increases the likelihood of a failure during a critical moment. I don't see this as an option for my own carry practices.
@mcmelonmaster .... It's Kclay... I wanted to bring up that in our state (maybe every state?) a gun can have a magazine full of ammo in the gun and is considered "unloaded " if there isn't a bullet in the chamber. That may be a point of ambiguity in describing loaded and unloaded guns.
A $25 set of digital calipers used for reloading and a reloading manual that will tell you Minimum-Overall-Length for a particular caliber will tell you definately if that round is seated to far in or not if your that concerned with this type of thing because even factory ammo can be in consistent depending on how cheap it is, but it definately is a good point he makes in this vid to check this type of thing.
@thejpnjn I think you misunderstood my comment. I've yet to find a reloading manual that tells you exactly how much setback will cause a case head failure. They do tell you a minimum OAL but it's safe to assume that this length isn't right at the cusp of causing a failure. My point was, one shouldn't get into the practice of guessing what OAL (all bullets are different) is "safe" once setback occurs. It's a dangerous game. Once you notice it, take the round out of circulation to be safe.
I have a 40 cal glock. I am new to glock. You are the 2nd person I have heard say that there have been issues with the polymer frame splitting. My question is, is it just the setback that causes that or is their another issue I should be aware of? I always check for setback BTW, especially with Critical Defense ammo.
I carry Israeli. People hate it and I always catch flak, but I don't have this issue (among others). If there is a round in the chamber, it isn't there for long.
I keep a separate "chamber mag" that I load the gun from first, then remove, then insert my carry mag. When I clear the gun I don't put that round back into the chamber mag , but into a cup instead. I do this until the chamber mag is empty. Before refilling the chamber mag I check each round for setback as you describe.
unless you are shooting +p ammo i wouldnt worry about a little set back. i use 2 round that i load and unload with and change them out every so often. ive shot some that have quite a bit of set back and shot just as good as a fresh round.i wouldnt test your luck every time though.(i shoot G21 with 230gr golden saber) where you will start having issues is when you start compacting the powder on the inside. +p ammo has more powder in thats why id just pull the bullets on those and toss em.
Great info! I have always wondered... is it bad to leave a magazine fully loaded for a few months? Will it affect the magazines performance over time?
I've found that when loading the round into the chamber, if I do it very slowly like you did in your example at 1:14, I can take out the same round out and re-chamber it many times without any noticeable setback at all. I understand that most people like to drop the slide at full speed just to make sure everything is in place, but I tested my method at the range and it worked perfectly in my Glock 27.
know whats funny, I needed this video rigth about now. i have some 45scp orunds from ym 1911 that ares set back and dont know if i shoudl shoot em or not.
BTW I was talking about whenever I go to the range to train. I forgot to mention that part in my previous comment. Not like I just wake up in the morning and start blasting away at random shit or anything, lol!! S/F
What I do to avoid this issue is always fire at least that round in the chamber, usually more (if not the whole mag, although I realize that's expensive). I always draw from concealed first before anything else, that way it simulates actually doing a "cold draw" on a threat, just as it would happen if a real world threat presented itself, since you don't have time to practice before shooting someone in reality. Just my technique anyways.. S/F
First off my friend...I agree with the others...Love the new intro..way cool.
Just to throw my .02 in..set back can also happen with ARs as well..
I don't carry but my guns are loaded as for the mag..when I put them away after cleaning or a day at the range...I use "snap caps" to relieve the spring tension.
This assures me that my weapons are safe to handle yet with a rack of the slide can be ready for action...some may not agree, but we are all different.
Is there any negative wear on the rounds cartridge if you keep unloading it at all? I usually keep my hollowpoints in all 3 of my mags(yeah, I need more but they're $30 something!) until it's range day so I pop them out. Or I'll replace a mag with snap caps to practice with.
This is very informative... I carry a .40 cal Glock 22 and never even thought of monitoring something like this so seriously. Thanks for the heads up.
good vid. not enough people realize this is a real problem. i only ever chamber a round twice. after its been chambered once, i set it aside to fire at the range. i dont fire any ammo the looks like it could be problematic, so i dont wait to for it to get out of spec, the next chambering could take it so far out of spec it could cause a pressure spike.
This is one of the things that set your channel apart - the safety aspect. It's not all about cool, it's also about not harming yourself (in the reloading video you also mention safety).
Plase note though - this can happen in select-fire rifles as well. If you carry your rifle loaded and for different reasons have to unload/load a lot (like when going out the gate) you can get this problem. I've had it happen to both my old AK5A (FNC, 5.56) and my old/new AK4B (G3, 7.62). Watch those rounds!
I for some reason always load my LCP by locking the slide back, dropping a bullet in the pipe then pull the slide back to release. I now do it with my glocks now out of habit.
To Load and Unload your pistol i remove the magazine and drop the first round into the chamber then insert my fully loaded magazine in the pistol this process eliminates bullet set back
Think there was discussion on Calguns.net about this recently, I had no clue! I need to shoot my HD rounds really bad, I've had them for months but no range to shoot them at =/ Wish they weren't so expensive too
@Sturmgewehre To avoid setback w/ my SR9c, I drop a round in the chamber and press the very rear of the extractor (behind where the extractor pivots) with my thumb to push it away from the cartridge rim as I carefully close the slide. The extractor doesn't even touch the casing until I release it. My brother's M&P40 can do it the same way. It works for me but for many firearms (Glock?) this may not be practical or possible. Thanks for educating everyone else about this often ignored issue.
I am constantly unloading my handguns so I can dry fire them and then reloading them. I like your idea of when you see setback happening take it out of service and shoot it the next time you go to the range. For my 9mm (Glock 19 & Kahr CM9) HST 124gr +p has had more of a problem than Gold Dot 124 or +p 124.
i just try to cycle my ammo fairly often. once i've had a set of ammo for a few months i fire it off and buy some new stuff. it's a great way to keep sharp with your defensive ammo.
I've been loading the same rounds in my 1911 for nearly ten years and none have noticeable setback, unless they all happen to have exactly the same setback, doubtful.
:) Right on the money my friend. I regret I said in one of my videos I don't keep unloaded guns around me. That's just not true. I think I wanted to say I don't carry unloaded guns on unchambered pistols.All other I have at home are stored unloaded.
I will only chamber a round twice before I fire it. I tested an uncharged 9mm round. I chambered it 10 times and it setback about ten thousandths of an inch.
What I I have my slide open and drop a single round into the chamber, release the slide, then insert a full may. Would that cause setback? Or is that still a bad idea?
All the cops I know rotate the "first round" through their mags, and shoot them out frequently enough at the range that any given round will only be chambered a handful of times.
But I like the idea of putting it into a range bucket every week, month, or as necessary. Especially for a non-LEO who may not get to the range more than once a month, or once every couple months, but still downloads their carry piece frequently.
since .45 acp is a low pressure cartridge i never pay much attention to setback. i've fired plenty of rounds pushed back so far that the bullet was resting on the powder and no issues here. that being said it's definitely not a good practice. i change my chambered round once it loses about. 0.03" OAL. i usually replace all my carry ammo once a month.
You are saying that when you notice a setback in your carry rounds, you but the round aside to shoot it at the range later? I thought you just said it was dangerous to shoot a round who setback.I guess it depends how much the bullet moved back right?
What to do if its too important? u cant obvioulsy shoot it, you cant throw it away either unless they have a special place for that at the range.
@JoeDurobot For about $10 at BassPro or similar shops, you can get a "Bullet Puller" It's a hammer-like tool that removes the bullet so you are left with loose powder, bullet, and a primed, empty case.
If the round you are removing from rotation is a regular, factory round, you *should* be safe to fire off (at the range) a cartridge with ~1mm (0.039"). Most of these rounds are designed with a 10-20% safety margin. HOWEVER, If you are shooting factory +P, or hand/reloads, just use a puller
@JoeDurobot Slight set back can be fired. The problem is when you start to see set back, The next time you chamber that round it will set back even further. It will get worse and worse. .Talk to your gun range about disposal or a gunsmith. Even at a gun show, one of the reload vendors will take your round. I am able to remove the bullet from the case with a $20 tool purchased for just this.
im using federals and if u look at the case theres a crimped ring around the casing is this to prevent set backs who knows . ive checked my rounds and ive been using them for a good 6 months and they are not set back.
This is an excellent vid about a very important subject to anyone who owns a firearm....well mostly pistols, I guess. I've not seen anyone else talking about this to this degree but it is something we should all be aware of.
Unless one is living in a warzone, high crime area or is a wery public person, there really is no good reason, or need to always carry a chamberd weapon.
@pkbjorn35 I, and most of the people that subscribe to this channel, could probably give you several hundred reasons. You'd be better off carrying a hammer for self-defense than a pistol in condition 3 or 4 for self-defense. At least the hammer is made for striking....
@pkbjorn35 Agreed. I never have a round in the chamber of my carry Glock. If that split second it takes for me to chamber a round is ever that critical, I'm probably already screwed. I think statistically I'm much more likely to accidently shoot myself holstering a loaded Glock than to die as a result of walking around town with an empty chamber.
@pkbjorn35 as long as your gun is in good condition, it won't go off unless you pull the trigger. if you don't practice, operator error is much more likely and you shouldn't carry chambered, but if you're like me and practice often, there is no reason not to carry with one in the chamber. i carry cocked and locked every day and i haven't shot my dick off yet :)
I wonder if this can be eliminated by hand feeding the round into the barrel then dropping the slide rather than letting the slide pull it out of the magazine.
@Edisto54 That can cause premature wear of your extractor and cause it to fail. Extractors in most handguns are designed to have the rim slide up under them, they don't pop over the rim when fed from a magazine. Doing this regularly could cause the extractor to fail and leave you with a non-working firearm in a fight.
@Edisto54 that and bullet setback is ultimately inevitable, because when the slide chambers a new round, it will hit the feed ramp and cause bullet setback, if you want to decrease this setback, you should use a dremel tool and fix the angle, but i think a year for ammo is alittle much and may be time to get some more and fire your old ammo
Why not use a caliper to measure against min OAL? Anyway, the 357 sig is probably the biggest setback risk that I can think of. It usually doesn't contact the ramp at all and is an extremely reliable loader (at least in glocks); but if it does, there is much less bearing surface to hold it in place. Very important to make sure the magazine is fully engaged.
I follow the same gun unload rules that you do; everyone with a child in the house should do so. Excellent video.
Thanks for the video. My policy is to never chamber around. Yes, it'll mean more work if I need to use it (ie have to rack the slide), but it doesn't take that long. The upside is I never need to worry about accidental discharge... even if the trigger gets snagged on something.
I teach my kids all guns are loaded even if there not.they are. all guns are loaded guns i don't care if there hanging,back words side ways locked up chained up. there loaded. the most dangerous gun in the world is a unloaded gun. just a thought from Texas.
@TheFreedomWatch Yes, I treat all firearms as if they're loaded. That has nothing to do with unloading a firearm to make it safe. Even though I've unloaded it, I still treat it as if it were loaded. However, I don't leave a loaded firearm laying on my kitchen table and trust that my 3 year old will treat it as if it were loaded.
Just one more reason for you to finally nut up and start carrying a revolver like a real man. :)
I personally try to make it a rule to never unload a round that has been chambered until I fire it at the range. If the gun is not on me it is loaded in the safe. Unfortunately making videos often requires me to break this rule.
@TheYankeeMarshal You say that, but every time I go two days without posting you start sending me heartbroken e-mails begging to hear my voice and see my manly face. :)
Great video. I would go further than you: I would put *any* ejected rounds into the burn bucket and always only chamber fresh rounds. On top of that, any round exhibiting setback would be discarded - I'd use a bullet puller and save the primed case and bullet for reloads. I don't think it's worth the risk of firing a round that exhibits setback. Filling the burn bucket regularly means you will get to practice with your carry ammo.
@kalliste23 Works great if you've got that much cash flowing in. At about $1.50 per round, I really doubt many people would be down with that methodology.
@kalliste23 The "kaboom" won't happen if I can't visually notice bullet set-back. The defensive ammo that I buy has vertical serrations on the bullet where it is sitting in the case. Any bullet set-back is noticeable, and trust me, it doesn't happen on the first time that these rounds are loaded.
@palerider1775 clearly your reading comprehension is challenged. I never said you can't fire rounds that don't exhibit setback. I said, use those that have been cycled through your gun as training ammo (i.e. some kind of controlled environment). I did say, never use rounds that exhibit setback but destroy them instead. This is especially true of high performance ammunition, of course, however, *any* round that has suspicious characteristics should be safely destroyed and not by shooting it.
@kalliste23 Nope. My reading comprehension is just fine. For those of us that load and unload our weapons often, for whatever reason, taking a round out of your defensive ammo circulation and using it as range ammo simply because you chambered it and ejected it once is a massive waste of money. (Unless you're using FMJ's as your carry ammo.) That' what I said the first time around, in less words, and since I was replying to what you said, I didn't feel the need to state the obvious.
@kalliste23 Nope. My reading comprehension is just fine. For those of us that load and unload our weapons often, for whatever reason, taking a round out of your defensive ammo circulation and using it as range ammo simply because you chambered it and ejected it once is a massive waste of money. (Unless you're using FMJ's as your carry ammo.) That' what I said the first time around, in less words, and since I was replying to what you said, I didn't feel the need to state the obvious.
I was just comparing a .40 WWB round that has been in my daily carry to some new Federal rounds I bought and wondered why the WWB round was so much shorter... thanks man this probably saved me an accident at the range.
@bhs0 Dropping a round in the chamber then letting the slide close on it is very hard on extractors in most pistols. It's a good way to break an extractor or cause premature wear. It's not a good practice. Most automatic pistols are designed to have the rim of the case slide up and under the extractor. The extractor doesn't pop over the rim of the case.
Oh man, thanks for the warning and explanation of dropping a round and closing the slide. I do that all the time, but I wont anymore! Your videos are the best
I have seen this before. A friend has a few 9 mm pistols and he checks them and when he finds one on the short side he puts it off to the side and uses it for practice ammo in his steel frame S&W.
Just 1/10 of bullet setback can duplicate the pressure of the round. The SAAMI pressure value for .40s is 35,000PSI max, now imagine a 70,000PSI explosion on the chamber with just one tenth of bullet set back. It could Kaboom any firearm but on Glocks the probability increases due to their not fully supported chamber, specially in .40 caliber. RISKY BUSINESS.
Great video, thanks!
SuperGh0stie 1 day ago
youd figure manufacturers of ammo would have been done something to fix this issue smh.
GNut1980 4 days ago
huh. i used to run .45 shells that were wayyyy short because i cycled them once or twice, and they worked ok in my 1911
rhs77430 1 week ago
@sturmgewehre. I follow the exact same practice you do and found this video. I also save my "old" ammo for range practice. I now have the concern that this may be unsafe. Any thoughts?
viperstarbuck 1 month ago
theres a vid floating around on youtube where a guy bought a 250 round pack of remington umc 9mm fmj 114gr and it was a bad batch, some bullets were so far set back in the casing that it was just scary, some were 2-5mm into the casing, they fired fine but i wouldnt trust those rounds personally.
Grunt922 2 months ago
Nice Video. I just finished chambering the same .40 S&W round in a G27 45 times with no setback at all verified with a dial caliper. The ammo is WW Q4369 180 gr. Bonded JHP. I will say that this was the hardest bullet to pull with a kinetic puller that I have ever pulled. It appears to have a tar like sealant on it. With all that said I did witness a severe setback several years ago with a Seecamp .32 and Winchester STHP's.
svj308 3 months ago
couldn't your burn rounds potentially be dangerous?
DennyDucet 3 months ago
............*goes checks his chambered round in G36*
GrenMoyo 3 months ago
Good vid. Too many armorers are desk jockeys at heart. I've had several act as if I was requesting a prostate exam when telling them to give me a bullet to trade for an obviously unserviceable. Bullets like the PDX off by many mm's, or even loose. I'd be forced to put one in the bottom of the mag. Most don't. Dumb.
thatguy66ish 4 months ago
I never thought or heard of this occurring before. Thanks for covering it! Now I know what's behind those Glock Ka-Booms!
m16mang 4 months ago
So What do you do with set back rounds? you said you take them to the range for target practice, isn't that unsafe?
Mrbodhisattva1 4 months ago
just when i thought i knew it all........anyone wanna buy 5,000 rounds of czech 7.62-54r?...i'll sell it for $300.00
smartacus88 5 months ago
Boberg xr-9 won't have a problem with this issue woot!
Great vid; Well explained, even I could understand it. Q
Nexgcs 5 months ago
Thanks for the info man..alot of times theres really no choice in setback unless i leave a piece of paper on the front end of the safe and it saying "Its LOADED" lol
187Kdogg 5 months ago
what if you dont chamber a round when you leave your pistol loaded, and just leave the magazine loaded?
mcmelonmaster 5 months ago
@mcmelonmaster I consider that to be an unloaded weapon and a liability. Many malfunctions occur during the manual chambering of rounds. Walking around with an empty chamber increases the likelihood of a failure during a critical moment. I don't see this as an option for my own carry practices.
Sturmgewehre 5 months ago
@Sturmgewehre Hmm. maybe a revolver would be a better option for me then. thanks for the reply.
mcmelonmaster 5 months ago
@Sturmgewehre
i usually just pull back the slide and insert the first round into the chamber then put in the magazine i find this eliminates this problem
tubevideoguy762 3 months ago
@mcmelonmaster .... It's Kclay... I wanted to bring up that in our state (maybe every state?) a gun can have a magazine full of ammo in the gun and is considered "unloaded " if there isn't a bullet in the chamber. That may be a point of ambiguity in describing loaded and unloaded guns.
Kclaybond 4 months ago
A $25 set of digital calipers used for reloading and a reloading manual that will tell you Minimum-Overall-Length for a particular caliber will tell you definately if that round is seated to far in or not if your that concerned with this type of thing because even factory ammo can be in consistent depending on how cheap it is, but it definately is a good point he makes in this vid to check this type of thing.
thejpnjn 5 months ago
@thejpnjn I think you misunderstood my comment. I've yet to find a reloading manual that tells you exactly how much setback will cause a case head failure. They do tell you a minimum OAL but it's safe to assume that this length isn't right at the cusp of causing a failure. My point was, one shouldn't get into the practice of guessing what OAL (all bullets are different) is "safe" once setback occurs. It's a dangerous game. Once you notice it, take the round out of circulation to be safe.
Sturmgewehre 5 months ago
As always, well explained!! Thanks..
hvn4bid 5 months ago
@ sturmgewehre can bullet setback happen with rifles as well?
randomazn420 5 months ago
@randomazn420 Yes.
Sturmgewehre 5 months ago
Why isn't this fixed by simply using cases with belts on them
VicariousReality7 5 months ago
I have a 40 cal glock. I am new to glock. You are the 2nd person I have heard say that there have been issues with the polymer frame splitting. My question is, is it just the setback that causes that or is their another issue I should be aware of? I always check for setback BTW, especially with Critical Defense ammo.
Theophilus1978 5 months ago
I carry Israeli. People hate it and I always catch flak, but I don't have this issue (among others). If there is a round in the chamber, it isn't there for long.
032125 5 months ago
Thanks for the heads up man.
THEKOOL4iDMAN697 5 months ago
im getting a usp 45 since we dont have a law against imprint here. and i was wondering if this happens with flat head .45s or all 45s
shishiromura 5 months ago
Or, put a round in the chamber manually, and insert the mag after you've dropped the slide.
toobadsosad83 5 months ago
@toobadsosad83 I would have thought that too but apparently Sturm pointed out earlier that can damage your extractor.
Anyway thanks Sturm for this video, I'm glad you expanded on this topic from your other video.
Diraphe 5 months ago
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toobadsosad83 5 months ago
Wow, didn't even know this existed! Good info- thx.
gekejo1 5 months ago
Thanks for the info I guess this applies to Rifles Also I got to check my 223 bullets - Charles
crcooktube 5 months ago
I have a sterling smg that I feed all my setback 9mm to, Its so over built its perfect for this.
alot of smgs are this way, so if you have one its a great way to get ride of bad ammo.
P226nut 5 months ago
Thanks, for that tip.
awdsvx 5 months ago
could you use your hand loading rig to reset the bullet in the casing?
BTW
your videos are sensible and informative, thanks :)
sugarnads 5 months ago
I keep a separate "chamber mag" that I load the gun from first, then remove, then insert my carry mag. When I clear the gun I don't put that round back into the chamber mag , but into a cup instead. I do this until the chamber mag is empty. Before refilling the chamber mag I check each round for setback as you describe.
ExtraneousSolutions 5 months ago
After all these years I never thought about this. Now I need to keep an eye on this. Thanks for the channel.. Keep em coming.
rsab72 5 months ago
Thanks for the heads up!
JStuart609 5 months ago
This was a good reminder video for me. Went through my ammo today. Good post! Great information as always.
tooleleven 5 months ago
I do not see the real problem this. Unless you are loading and unloading the same round, I dont think you have a problem with this issue....
RHINO6383 5 months ago
unless you are shooting +p ammo i wouldnt worry about a little set back. i use 2 round that i load and unload with and change them out every so often. ive shot some that have quite a bit of set back and shot just as good as a fresh round.i wouldnt test your luck every time though.(i shoot G21 with 230gr golden saber) where you will start having issues is when you start compacting the powder on the inside. +p ammo has more powder in thats why id just pull the bullets on those and toss em.
stewpidaso26 5 months ago
great info, well done. thanks
steev5x5 5 months ago
Great info! I have always wondered... is it bad to leave a magazine fully loaded for a few months? Will it affect the magazines performance over time?
nydinkle 5 months ago
Thanks for the information. Never even knew this was a problem.
scooter17568 5 months ago 2
I've found that when loading the round into the chamber, if I do it very slowly like you did in your example at 1:14, I can take out the same round out and re-chamber it many times without any noticeable setback at all. I understand that most people like to drop the slide at full speed just to make sure everything is in place, but I tested my method at the range and it worked perfectly in my Glock 27.
binyamj 5 months ago
know whats funny, I needed this video rigth about now. i have some 45scp orunds from ym 1911 that ares set back and dont know if i shoudl shoot em or not.
67mustangreg 5 months ago
good vid im sure alot of people have never heard of this
ixVENGEFULxi 5 months ago
That new intro is rockin' :] Thanks for the great info too.
FateofDestinee 5 months ago
BTW I was talking about whenever I go to the range to train. I forgot to mention that part in my previous comment. Not like I just wake up in the morning and start blasting away at random shit or anything, lol!! S/F
RetreatHell 5 months ago
What I do to avoid this issue is always fire at least that round in the chamber, usually more (if not the whole mag, although I realize that's expensive). I always draw from concealed first before anything else, that way it simulates actually doing a "cold draw" on a threat, just as it would happen if a real world threat presented itself, since you don't have time to practice before shooting someone in reality. Just my technique anyways.. S/F
RetreatHell 5 months ago
Nice info. thanks.
JacksTheRabbitsTube 5 months ago
First off my friend...I agree with the others...Love the new intro..way cool.
Just to throw my .02 in..set back can also happen with ARs as well..
I don't carry but my guns are loaded as for the mag..when I put them away after cleaning or a day at the range...I use "snap caps" to relieve the spring tension.
This assures me that my weapons are safe to handle yet with a rack of the slide can be ready for action...some may not agree, but we are all different.
Great Vid
Target On...E1
ETHRON1 5 months ago
COOL NEW INTRO
1991araaron 5 months ago
More solid info, thanks for the vids!
bawitibaw 5 months ago
Is there any negative wear on the rounds cartridge if you keep unloading it at all? I usually keep my hollowpoints in all 3 of my mags(yeah, I need more but they're $30 something!) until it's range day so I pop them out. Or I'll replace a mag with snap caps to practice with.
EverythingisFire 5 months ago
This is very informative... I carry a .40 cal Glock 22 and never even thought of monitoring something like this so seriously. Thanks for the heads up.
xethanxflipsburgers 5 months ago
good vid. not enough people realize this is a real problem. i only ever chamber a round twice. after its been chambered once, i set it aside to fire at the range. i dont fire any ammo the looks like it could be problematic, so i dont wait to for it to get out of spec, the next chambering could take it so far out of spec it could cause a pressure spike.
mzmazishere 5 months ago
I never knew that im glad i took a moment to watch this
williamED15 5 months ago
you should keep the background that you had in the "Tag Back: What caliber for SHTF?" It's pretty cool.
rustlerbadass 5 months ago
Great video, thanks for the information.
warmonger130 5 months ago
Excellent video.....
Thanks
wye4379 5 months ago
This is one of the things that set your channel apart - the safety aspect. It's not all about cool, it's also about not harming yourself (in the reloading video you also mention safety).
Plase note though - this can happen in select-fire rifles as well. If you carry your rifle loaded and for different reasons have to unload/load a lot (like when going out the gate) you can get this problem. I've had it happen to both my old AK5A (FNC, 5.56) and my old/new AK4B (G3, 7.62). Watch those rounds!
903lew 5 months ago
what does setback actually mean? how does it affect the bullets?
TheTruthKiller 5 months ago
i've never seen this problem
FixWithFirepower 5 months ago
I for some reason always load my LCP by locking the slide back, dropping a bullet in the pipe then pull the slide back to release. I now do it with my glocks now out of habit.
serilus4life 5 months ago
To Load and Unload your pistol i remove the magazine and drop the first round into the chamber then insert my fully loaded magazine in the pistol this process eliminates bullet set back
THEAMK1000 5 months ago
Think there was discussion on Calguns.net about this recently, I had no clue! I need to shoot my HD rounds really bad, I've had them for months but no range to shoot them at =/ Wish they weren't so expensive too
EverythingisFire 5 months ago
@Sturmgewehre To avoid setback w/ my SR9c, I drop a round in the chamber and press the very rear of the extractor (behind where the extractor pivots) with my thumb to push it away from the cartridge rim as I carefully close the slide. The extractor doesn't even touch the casing until I release it. My brother's M&P40 can do it the same way. It works for me but for many firearms (Glock?) this may not be practical or possible. Thanks for educating everyone else about this often ignored issue.
Fisherdave10 5 months ago
I am constantly unloading my handguns so I can dry fire them and then reloading them. I like your idea of when you see setback happening take it out of service and shoot it the next time you go to the range. For my 9mm (Glock 19 & Kahr CM9) HST 124gr +p has had more of a problem than Gold Dot 124 or +p 124.
FriendofCat 5 months ago
Thanks for educating me about this issue!
GhostFishSlayer 5 months ago
i just try to cycle my ammo fairly often. once i've had a set of ammo for a few months i fire it off and buy some new stuff. it's a great way to keep sharp with your defensive ammo.
carniveron 5 months ago
I've been loading the same rounds in my 1911 for nearly ten years and none have noticeable setback, unless they all happen to have exactly the same setback, doubtful.
jamesjr934 5 months ago
@jamesjr934 more than lilely there's a good cannelure on the case like most .45s are..
BuffmanLT1 5 months ago
Good to know. I think this is a good case for Isreali carry ( loaded full mag, empty chamber)
PRSpl4yer 5 months ago
Good video keep educating the people.
9mmParabellum0321 5 months ago
:) Right on the money my friend. I regret I said in one of my videos I don't keep unloaded guns around me. That's just not true. I think I wanted to say I don't carry unloaded guns on unchambered pistols.All other I have at home are stored unloaded.
lhusby 5 months ago
Hey awsome video man, really helped me cuz I didn't know about this!!!! Now I'll pay more attention.
NC77583 5 months ago
I will only chamber a round twice before I fire it. I tested an uncharged 9mm round. I chambered it 10 times and it setback about ten thousandths of an inch.
CG236008 5 months ago
good info thanks
mcrafton89 5 months ago
Technically, it's called a "Glocknade"
bendikn 5 months ago
Thank you for this very informative video. I'll be sure to check the setback as I reload my firearm now.
bigtank1982 5 months ago
I did not know this, great video. Makes me feel
a little better about my useing a revolver for home
defence while my Glock waits for the SHTF.
semperfi1000 5 months ago
What I I have my slide open and drop a single round into the chamber, release the slide, then insert a full may. Would that cause setback? Or is that still a bad idea?
mandp151985 5 months ago
All the cops I know rotate the "first round" through their mags, and shoot them out frequently enough at the range that any given round will only be chambered a handful of times.
But I like the idea of putting it into a range bucket every week, month, or as necessary. Especially for a non-LEO who may not get to the range more than once a month, or once every couple months, but still downloads their carry piece frequently.
silvermediastudio 5 months ago
bitchin new intro
DaytonaRoadster 5 months ago
Great subject! Keep up the good work!
leadpersuasion 5 months ago
Great opening.
I do the same thing. I take mine to the range. I use heavy duty ziplock bag instead of a bowl. Not sure why one person did not like this video.
frankgon4 5 months ago
very interesting. didnt know about this.
Grunt922 5 months ago
since .45 acp is a low pressure cartridge i never pay much attention to setback. i've fired plenty of rounds pushed back so far that the bullet was resting on the powder and no issues here. that being said it's definitely not a good practice. i change my chambered round once it loses about. 0.03" OAL. i usually replace all my carry ammo once a month.
TacticalTuckFard 5 months ago
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*sigh* ..no shots fired
alex14northgate 5 months ago
You are saying that when you notice a setback in your carry rounds, you but the round aside to shoot it at the range later? I thought you just said it was dangerous to shoot a round who setback.I guess it depends how much the bullet moved back right?
What to do if its too important? u cant obvioulsy shoot it, you cant throw it away either unless they have a special place for that at the range.
JoeDurobot 5 months ago
@JoeDurobot For about $10 at BassPro or similar shops, you can get a "Bullet Puller" It's a hammer-like tool that removes the bullet so you are left with loose powder, bullet, and a primed, empty case.
If the round you are removing from rotation is a regular, factory round, you *should* be safe to fire off (at the range) a cartridge with ~1mm (0.039"). Most of these rounds are designed with a 10-20% safety margin. HOWEVER, If you are shooting factory +P, or hand/reloads, just use a puller
shootingnerd 5 months ago
@JoeDurobot Slight set back can be fired. The problem is when you start to see set back, The next time you chamber that round it will set back even further. It will get worse and worse. .Talk to your gun range about disposal or a gunsmith. Even at a gun show, one of the reload vendors will take your round. I am able to remove the bullet from the case with a $20 tool purchased for just this.
frankgon4 5 months ago
Nice video. I honestly didn't know this could occur. Thanks!
jdmurray11 5 months ago
im using federals and if u look at the case theres a crimped ring around the casing is this to prevent set backs who knows . ive checked my rounds and ive been using them for a good 6 months and they are not set back.
dallasdeadeye 5 months ago
This is an excellent vid about a very important subject to anyone who owns a firearm....well mostly pistols, I guess. I've not seen anyone else talking about this to this degree but it is something we should all be aware of.
friskyrabbit 5 months ago
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jdmurray11 5 months ago
Unless one is living in a warzone, high crime area or is a wery public person, there really is no good reason, or need to always carry a chamberd weapon.
pkbjorn35 5 months ago
@pkbjorn35 I, and most of the people that subscribe to this channel, could probably give you several hundred reasons. You'd be better off carrying a hammer for self-defense than a pistol in condition 3 or 4 for self-defense. At least the hammer is made for striking....
palerider1775 5 months ago
@pkbjorn35 Agreed. I never have a round in the chamber of my carry Glock. If that split second it takes for me to chamber a round is ever that critical, I'm probably already screwed. I think statistically I'm much more likely to accidently shoot myself holstering a loaded Glock than to die as a result of walking around town with an empty chamber.
jdmurray11 5 months ago
@pkbjorn35 as long as your gun is in good condition, it won't go off unless you pull the trigger. if you don't practice, operator error is much more likely and you shouldn't carry chambered, but if you're like me and practice often, there is no reason not to carry with one in the chamber. i carry cocked and locked every day and i haven't shot my dick off yet :)
TacticalTuckFard 5 months ago
I wonder if this can be eliminated by hand feeding the round into the barrel then dropping the slide rather than letting the slide pull it out of the magazine.
Edisto54 5 months ago
@Edisto54 That can cause premature wear of your extractor and cause it to fail. Extractors in most handguns are designed to have the rim slide up under them, they don't pop over the rim when fed from a magazine. Doing this regularly could cause the extractor to fail and leave you with a non-working firearm in a fight.
Sturmgewehre 5 months ago 15
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That's true. I did that a lot with a Ruger 10/22 and started getting stovepipes and FTE's. The pulling side of the extractor got rounded off.
mikeb1444 5 months ago
@Sturmgewehre Good to know. Thanks for sharing your wealth of knowledge with us. Learn something new everyday from this channel.
Edisto54 5 months ago
@Edisto54 It is a bad idea to hand feed your +1 round for a variety of reasons.
silvermediastudio 5 months ago
@Edisto54 that and bullet setback is ultimately inevitable, because when the slide chambers a new round, it will hit the feed ramp and cause bullet setback, if you want to decrease this setback, you should use a dremel tool and fix the angle, but i think a year for ammo is alittle much and may be time to get some more and fire your old ammo
TheCivilianSoldier 5 months ago
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@derekgrebner87 you should check out this video since you rock a G22.
Chriznak 5 months ago
Why not use a caliper to measure against min OAL? Anyway, the 357 sig is probably the biggest setback risk that I can think of. It usually doesn't contact the ramp at all and is an extremely reliable loader (at least in glocks); but if it does, there is much less bearing surface to hold it in place. Very important to make sure the magazine is fully engaged.
I follow the same gun unload rules that you do; everyone with a child in the house should do so. Excellent video.
PowerForGood 5 months ago
does bullet setback happen in shotguns and rifles also?
Chriznak 5 months ago
Another fantastic video.
This topic is under-discussed by the gun community. I'm glad you brought it up.
perspicacity89 5 months ago
Thanks for the video. My policy is to never chamber around. Yes, it'll mean more work if I need to use it (ie have to rack the slide), but it doesn't take that long. The upside is I never need to worry about accidental discharge... even if the trigger gets snagged on something.
Mortalcoil100 5 months ago
I had a 7.62 set back about half an inch into the case when I pulled the charging handle back and let it go
needless to say I didnt fire that one but it made me wonder just how many bullets do that in my AK?
ManlyManFilms 5 months ago
5*****
TheFreedomWatch 5 months ago
I teach my kids all guns are loaded even if there not.they are. all guns are loaded guns i don't care if there hanging,back words side ways locked up chained up. there loaded. the most dangerous gun in the world is a unloaded gun. just a thought from Texas.
TheFreedomWatch 5 months ago
@TheFreedomWatch Yes, I treat all firearms as if they're loaded. That has nothing to do with unloading a firearm to make it safe. Even though I've unloaded it, I still treat it as if it were loaded. However, I don't leave a loaded firearm laying on my kitchen table and trust that my 3 year old will treat it as if it were loaded.
Sturmgewehre 5 months ago 9
Just one more reason for you to finally nut up and start carrying a revolver like a real man. :)
I personally try to make it a rule to never unload a round that has been chambered until I fire it at the range. If the gun is not on me it is loaded in the safe. Unfortunately making videos often requires me to break this rule.
TheYankeeMarshal 5 months ago
@TheYankeeMarshal Then stop making videos, problem solved. :)
Sturmgewehre 5 months ago
@TheYankeeMarshal You say that, but every time I go two days without posting you start sending me heartbroken e-mails begging to hear my voice and see my manly face. :)
TheYankeeMarshal 5 months ago
@TheYankeeMarshal private message fail
Chriznak 5 months ago
adds to my knowledge, thanks!
AXIONPAK 5 months ago
Great video. I would go further than you: I would put *any* ejected rounds into the burn bucket and always only chamber fresh rounds. On top of that, any round exhibiting setback would be discarded - I'd use a bullet puller and save the primed case and bullet for reloads. I don't think it's worth the risk of firing a round that exhibits setback. Filling the burn bucket regularly means you will get to practice with your carry ammo.
kalliste23 5 months ago
@kalliste23 Works great if you've got that much cash flowing in. At about $1.50 per round, I really doubt many people would be down with that methodology.
palerider1775 5 months ago
@palerider1775 how much will it cost for your gun KB?
kalliste23 5 months ago
@kalliste23 The "kaboom" won't happen if I can't visually notice bullet set-back. The defensive ammo that I buy has vertical serrations on the bullet where it is sitting in the case. Any bullet set-back is noticeable, and trust me, it doesn't happen on the first time that these rounds are loaded.
palerider1775 5 months ago
@palerider1775 clearly your reading comprehension is challenged. I never said you can't fire rounds that don't exhibit setback. I said, use those that have been cycled through your gun as training ammo (i.e. some kind of controlled environment). I did say, never use rounds that exhibit setback but destroy them instead. This is especially true of high performance ammunition, of course, however, *any* round that has suspicious characteristics should be safely destroyed and not by shooting it.
kalliste23 5 months ago
@kalliste23 Nope. My reading comprehension is just fine. For those of us that load and unload our weapons often, for whatever reason, taking a round out of your defensive ammo circulation and using it as range ammo simply because you chambered it and ejected it once is a massive waste of money. (Unless you're using FMJ's as your carry ammo.) That' what I said the first time around, in less words, and since I was replying to what you said, I didn't feel the need to state the obvious.
palerider1775 5 months ago
@kalliste23 Nope. My reading comprehension is just fine. For those of us that load and unload our weapons often, for whatever reason, taking a round out of your defensive ammo circulation and using it as range ammo simply because you chambered it and ejected it once is a massive waste of money. (Unless you're using FMJ's as your carry ammo.) That' what I said the first time around, in less words, and since I was replying to what you said, I didn't feel the need to state the obvious.
palerider1775 5 months ago
I was just comparing a .40 WWB round that has been in my daily carry to some new Federal rounds I bought and wondered why the WWB round was so much shorter... thanks man this probably saved me an accident at the range.
CN073 5 months ago
Your videos are quite informative, short and sweet to the point!
Nutfunfasny is too long for my taste...and...yeah its entertaining but your the pro.
FirstPistolSammy 5 months ago
1: what if you load your chamber before holstering by locking the slide back and dropping one in the chamber by hand that way?
2: This would not apply to revolvers I'm guessing.
bhs0 5 months ago
@bhs0 Dropping a round in the chamber then letting the slide close on it is very hard on extractors in most pistols. It's a good way to break an extractor or cause premature wear. It's not a good practice. Most automatic pistols are designed to have the rim of the case slide up and under the extractor. The extractor doesn't pop over the rim of the case.
You're right, it doesn't apply to revolvers.
Sturmgewehre 5 months ago 5
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Oh man, thanks for the warning and explanation of dropping a round and closing the slide. I do that all the time, but I wont anymore! Your videos are the best
oldirtyrobb 5 months ago
@Sturmgewehre Great video. Thanks for the upload!
Garuda1337 5 months ago
I didn't know that, thanks great info
xplizitnature 5 months ago
very interesting!
trancesendable 5 months ago
I have seen this before. A friend has a few 9 mm pistols and he checks them and when he finds one on the short side he puts it off to the side and uses it for practice ammo in his steel frame S&W.
biguy525 5 months ago
Great vid! I did not know that but makes total sense.
wubaru 5 months ago
Just 1/10 of bullet setback can duplicate the pressure of the round. The SAAMI pressure value for .40s is 35,000PSI max, now imagine a 70,000PSI explosion on the chamber with just one tenth of bullet set back. It could Kaboom any firearm but on Glocks the probability increases due to their not fully supported chamber, specially in .40 caliber. RISKY BUSINESS.
TheMolysProject 5 months ago
Learn something new everyday. Thanks Sturm.
mervo112 5 months ago
GREAT info to get out there. We all may forget this and create over pressure in our pistols when we fire that round.
THANKS!
LONG LIVE THE PEOPLE!!!
alonewcompany 5 months ago
I did not know about this. I will keep an eye out thanks.
JERMBUGS 5 months ago
I have never even heard of setback but it makes perfect sense. Now i need to go check my mags.....Great vid.
XXLTexan 5 months ago 4
what did you use for that intro??
fighterliker 5 months ago
Cool new intro.
reneql8 5 months ago 21
@reneql8 i agree, the intro rocks
WallyMerc06 5 months ago