Notice how when the military was not worshiped its fighting potential was far greater then when it is worshiped like it is now. The military then was up against an industrial opponent called the Warsaw Pact. Today we spend more on the military than we did then and we cant beat a bunch of rag head religious nut jobs. We need more movies like this.
@nicholsml We lost more in training per year for the Cold War than we have lost to enemy fire. Wounded? No, but deaths yes. Im sorry the military never does well when its not overseen by the civilians. The military and the republicans have gotten everything they asked for. They have adulation of the public, unlimited budget, they choose the targets. Everything. These wars have no strategic reason. They are the bumbling fools as shown in stripes.
@TalksWithDirt I agree that war is bad and mostly pointless. Our military is bad ass though. We just can't win a war when the people hate us and fight with insurgency tactics. It's pointless unless the people want us there. I served in Afghanistan in 2005, they don't want us there, it is unattainable.
Our military is the best/powerful military in the world though. A traditional military can't defeat insurgent style tactics though.
@nicholsml Our technology is bad ass. However notice how Iran was able to jam a drone and cause it to land in automatic. Look at the oversight. No self destruct, And C4I and EW as degraded from a religion when we had a real opponent to lax operating of drones with open radio streams. I think our bad ass'ness is selective today.
@nicholsml I have to say thank you for your admitting the obvious. I appreciate someone who can be hones with themselves and others. Its nice to discuss with someone who is hones. So let me ask you this. What, given the local culture, is a state Afghanistan can be put into that would allow us to leave and actually attain some semblence of strategic value? Is the culture so dysfunctional that this is not possible?
@TalksWithDirt It's mostly an education and religion problem. Also they see us as christians invading their country. That's not really true, but it's what they believe. The problem is most of the people who live their are ignorant and when they do have a education, it's a muslim education. They mostly want a Oligarchy. I have no idea how we could undo of fix the mess we made already :(
@nicholsml Well it's been 10 years. If we have not been shoving Christianity down their gullets, you'd think at some point they'd step back and say .... Hey, have you noticed that the Americans re not shoving JC down our throats? So that raises two questions, do the afghans have no memory, or are there Christians operating in Afghanistan? (I don't think there are.). My question. Should there be?
@TalksWithDirt I think it's more akin to a religious need to have a backlash. Kinda like the perceived threat that Christians feel against atheists in the US. Also there have been several incidents involving US soldiers handing out bibles while on patrol and stuff. Hell, it even happened while I was there and we had a chaplain get relieved because of it at Kandahar airfield. Big in their news, not ours.
Also, a large percentage of the population is illiterate and children rarely go to school.
@nicholsml Okay that sounds very believable. In your interactions with other observant individuals how many people could see this sort of malfunction? Or is it so bad that our side has its own need to see a threat that's not there and act against phantom, or near phantom threats? Or best yet create our own threat? Thanks for your obs. BTW Im a threat to Christianity as well. Im an atheist. Because I read the bible at 12 years of age.
@TalksWithDirt Not many I think. It isn't common for people to look at something with an unbiased and objective view. The biggest problem is the leadership, people who get promoted are of a certain mindset. Being unbiased and objective is very rare in a military leadership role.
It's sad, but we will continue this war until it becomes such a money pit we have to leave. IMO of course.
@nicholsml Oh, and when you were here how much of the Soviet experience was considered at the level you worked? I have a friend who served in Afghanistan in the Soviet Army then again with the US Army in 2003. He tried to tell his O3 what the Afghanis react to and what they react against. Nobody would listen to him.
Have that removed!
jspring0945 2 weeks ago
Notice how when the military was not worshiped its fighting potential was far greater then when it is worshiped like it is now. The military then was up against an industrial opponent called the Warsaw Pact. Today we spend more on the military than we did then and we cant beat a bunch of rag head religious nut jobs. We need more movies like this.
TalksWithDirt 3 months ago
@TalksWithDirt You do realize we only fought the Russians in proxy wars right? They lost one and we lost one, tied one.
nicholsml 2 months ago
@nicholsml We lost more in training per year for the Cold War than we have lost to enemy fire. Wounded? No, but deaths yes. Im sorry the military never does well when its not overseen by the civilians. The military and the republicans have gotten everything they asked for. They have adulation of the public, unlimited budget, they choose the targets. Everything. These wars have no strategic reason. They are the bumbling fools as shown in stripes.
TalksWithDirt 2 months ago
@TalksWithDirt I agree that war is bad and mostly pointless. Our military is bad ass though. We just can't win a war when the people hate us and fight with insurgency tactics. It's pointless unless the people want us there. I served in Afghanistan in 2005, they don't want us there, it is unattainable.
Our military is the best/powerful military in the world though. A traditional military can't defeat insurgent style tactics though.
nicholsml 2 months ago
@nicholsml Our technology is bad ass. However notice how Iran was able to jam a drone and cause it to land in automatic. Look at the oversight. No self destruct, And C4I and EW as degraded from a religion when we had a real opponent to lax operating of drones with open radio streams. I think our bad ass'ness is selective today.
TalksWithDirt 2 months ago
@nicholsml I have to say thank you for your admitting the obvious. I appreciate someone who can be hones with themselves and others. Its nice to discuss with someone who is hones. So let me ask you this. What, given the local culture, is a state Afghanistan can be put into that would allow us to leave and actually attain some semblence of strategic value? Is the culture so dysfunctional that this is not possible?
TalksWithDirt 2 months ago
@TalksWithDirt It's mostly an education and religion problem. Also they see us as christians invading their country. That's not really true, but it's what they believe. The problem is most of the people who live their are ignorant and when they do have a education, it's a muslim education. They mostly want a Oligarchy. I have no idea how we could undo of fix the mess we made already :(
nicholsml 2 months ago
@nicholsml Well it's been 10 years. If we have not been shoving Christianity down their gullets, you'd think at some point they'd step back and say .... Hey, have you noticed that the Americans re not shoving JC down our throats? So that raises two questions, do the afghans have no memory, or are there Christians operating in Afghanistan? (I don't think there are.). My question. Should there be?
TalksWithDirt 2 months ago
@TalksWithDirt I think it's more akin to a religious need to have a backlash. Kinda like the perceived threat that Christians feel against atheists in the US. Also there have been several incidents involving US soldiers handing out bibles while on patrol and stuff. Hell, it even happened while I was there and we had a chaplain get relieved because of it at Kandahar airfield. Big in their news, not ours.
Also, a large percentage of the population is illiterate and children rarely go to school.
nicholsml 2 months ago
@nicholsml Okay that sounds very believable. In your interactions with other observant individuals how many people could see this sort of malfunction? Or is it so bad that our side has its own need to see a threat that's not there and act against phantom, or near phantom threats? Or best yet create our own threat? Thanks for your obs. BTW Im a threat to Christianity as well. Im an atheist. Because I read the bible at 12 years of age.
TalksWithDirt 2 months ago
@TalksWithDirt Not many I think. It isn't common for people to look at something with an unbiased and objective view. The biggest problem is the leadership, people who get promoted are of a certain mindset. Being unbiased and objective is very rare in a military leadership role.
It's sad, but we will continue this war until it becomes such a money pit we have to leave. IMO of course.
nicholsml 2 months ago
@nicholsml Oh, and when you were here how much of the Soviet experience was considered at the level you worked? I have a friend who served in Afghanistan in the Soviet Army then again with the US Army in 2003. He tried to tell his O3 what the Afghanis react to and what they react against. Nobody would listen to him.
TalksWithDirt 2 months ago
"Have that removed." Love it!
BernieC20 4 months ago
BTW, it's CAPTAIN Stillman. Lieutenants are not company commanders.
elshpen 6 months ago
The Eisenhower line is awesome!
sledgeguitar 6 months ago
"Have that removed!" Use that line every time I trip over something non existent.
nimeo14 7 months ago
My older cousin was a Master Sergeant in the Army. He was in the army for 35 years and said that Stillman was a "Classic ROTC officer".
daytraderfbf 8 months ago
@daytraderfbf: more like a West Pointer
oliverarado 4 months ago
What a bunch of half-assed salutes...
NottheFacePlease 11 months ago
@NottheFacePlease
The captain's salute was supposed to be half-assed, that 's part of the comedy of the show idiot.
GhostOfBugsy 5 months ago
@GhostOfBugsy Yes. Yes it was. :(
NottheFacePlease 5 months ago