@dnrongo I bet you were one of the five white people that disliked the video.This is from the Native American perspective not like that rapist who violated Pocahontas that whites lie about I bet racist disney will not make a movie about this
Rather than rewriting history, don't you think it would make more sense to strive for a better future, not by false accusations or politcally correct (= factually incorrect) mythologies, but rather by getting yourself educated and getting into a profitable career, then paying your own way through life and teaching your children to obey laws and respect others, without blaming everyone else for your problems or relying on unsustainable socialistic welfare-for-votes pandering.
PC BS. I have studied claims of PreColumbian American history for nearly 30 years. Yes, there is conciderable archeological evidence of Phonecian trading ships people making contact with Amerinds in central America. While the Phonecians themselves were Semitic--and therefore closely resembled modern Palestinians--their ships are known to have often included Negroid crew members. Otherwise, the story presented here is nothing more than imaginative antiwestern leftist propaganda.
all western views are anti-African in everyway contrary just look at you treatment of people of color period. Africans where populating this earth way back before writing and libraries ancient people. your own people where just barabarians before relegion. stop white washing history. enough lost kowledge has all ready been left out in order to conquer and propanganda to munipulate.
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
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@iAm0358 Blombos cave is on the coast of south africa it is a site that has been dated back to 140,000 years ago they hunted whale and mined Iron for an ochre The color is still used today for body paint in southern Africa in the country of Namibia hope that helped a little I had more info a year ago when I posted this comment but to learn more about this very ancient civilization look up south african ancient gold mines
Amusing, but weak. Yes, the pale faces are responsible for all evil in the world... Also implies that Native Americans and African Americans have no place in the business world. False.
The "great water without end" does not appear to be a body of salt water... Where was this filmed?
Yeah ss an uneducated ass you never had the chance to read "They came before Colombus" of Ivan Van Sertima,lol,sometimes ignorance can't justify every stupids comments on Youtube,come on folks you can do better
This video is feel good pseudohistory. Genetic evidence also shows that the Native genetic contribution, at least in the African American population is much, much lower.
This to me is a representation of the Moors coming into the East Coast of the US. Moors came over here at the height of there reign in Europe where they civilized you scum. We built all of the Pyramids all over the World. The only time you believe in Aliens is when it comes to the pyramids. Aliens built it alright. They are called the Nigger Species.
None of you people know what your talking about. The oldest remains ever found in Brazil, Columbia and many other countries are Afrikan. Nigger or Negroid whatever you Mutations call it. North Afrika and Northeastern Afrika(Middle East) was attacked and conquered by white mutations. The Arabs you see are a mix of original man (Afrikan) and Whites. Arab language is a Black Man's Language. Like you people would ever call yourself a name like Mu-Ham-Mad or Ka-Dee-Jah.
I took the possibility of it and plus I was pretty ignorant of the ancient nations that roamed throughout North Africa. I have already taken back what I have stated earlier.
Greg879 Phoenicians originated from Libanon. Libanese are not negroid Nativ people living in north Africa are not negroid. seem You forget about The metis nation. (Mainly French and Native) in Canada. The pale French Animal seems to have make strong alliance with the native (intermaried with them). Remember the War in which The English took over Canada was named The French and indians War (the war against the French and indians) So whiteman did allied with native
Listen boy i have respect for both native americans and africans. but you have to tone down your mouth native of north africa is negroid is proven even by DNA and genetics. people of todays north africa doesnt ressemble the phenotype of the past ones. just like native americans the first wave of your people had the same phenotype as africans, melanesians, papuans and aboriginals etc. but have developed an own culture second wave ressembled so called mongoloid but all native american.
North Africans do have Negroid blood...but they also have large amounts of Mediterranean (or Middle Eastern blood) going back to the NEOLITHIC (over 10,000 years ago). This is why Egyptians looked so much different from Nubians (even back then). This is why Somalis & Ethios look vastly different. It wasn't just the later Arab invasions. Papuans & most Melanesians are of the Australoid (related to Australian Aborigines) physical type. They
are not African. The Negritos however (although, genetically, they lump closer to Asians) are of African physical type (the Jarawa could be set right in the middle of west africa, & no one would know any different). Some Native Americans (especially those in S. America) do resemble Australioids. Some seem similar to the Ainu. No one knows for sure. Actually, Native American ancestry has been 1 of the toughest to sort out.
Thanks for the information. but i already aware of this but before we continue i am from East Africa. and second Mediterranean blood doesn't ressemble population or phenotype. it only ressemble what genetic material is common with others of that region or influenced by. if we go back to the NEOLITHIC my friend their were only negroid people living there. We have to overstand that the negroid race varies in different shapes including Australoids. even today some papuans....
(continued 3 last one) sorry friend for the long post. absorbation of the mongoloid race. who had left a deep marker in the america´s. what i described as unknown could have been direct from Africa or by by travel the Pacific Ocean by the same ancient africans who evolved in the oceanic negroids like melanesians. even europe could have been possible. however that is mine opinion of this subject.
What is the definition of a Modern Africans and East Africans for you? someone you met yesterday in Addis Ababa, Accra, Rabat or Johannesburg? Meanwhile a change of admixture with a forgeiner like you is there or worse you point at a foreigner like those south Afrikaners and see him as a true African. I will repeat for you despite your stupidity. NEGRO AFRICANS AND NEGROIDS AROUND THE WORLD WITHOUT ADMIXTURE LOOK LIKE ANCIENT AFRICANS. there is no room of discussion left to doubt it.
Also, Salsassin, I forgot to address the Idaltu skulls; Idaltu is thought to be a SEPARATE SPECIES, so he wouldn't look like any African human (Sapiens Sapiens). His forehead was much higher, his head was narrower.
Yeah that has always been a possibility. We really can't know for sure as there is no genetic material. And with craniofacial variability as it is....
His brows were also much bigger. Again Australians are the closest, but still by a long shot.
I never said San are mixed. You really have serious isues read again my previous post. San are NOT South Afrikaners despite they live in South Africa. and San are fullblooded Negroids your stupid divisions you believe in doesn't affect a true African like me. and your endles prattle for making divisions on Negroid populations because of genetic diffrentation and variation is of non concern to me.
We call ourselves N/oakhwe, 'the red people', or Kgeika Kwena, 'the first people'. The Khoisan are not black. We are separate from other populations. The Khoisan people are not easy to classify due to outside elements that have been playing a part in destroying our identity. We are brown; yellowish in colour and even some are whitish.
Where and When did you here this? and wich circumstances occurs? even in my population people reffer them self as brown yellowish. instead of black and separate them from other Negroids still i doubt the validity of such an indivual person, when they made a claim like this. because many (not every) still many negroids are confused and mentally unstable due of the Colonial Past. and divisions where made above natural divisions by Europeans. so it doens't suprise me when Africans do so today
LOL. You are the confused one using a racialist colonialist term, Negroid. No sorry, Africa has never been one monolithic group. In fact Afrasia has never been one as they are all connected. Humanity has always been diverse. An Ethiopian is closer to a Middle Easterner than a San.
You amuse me. how ever your point of view leaves me very cold. it only shows me how ingnorant you are and using wrong constructions to discuss where i am talking about and stands for. you seems to forget that every population under MINE definition of negroid has suffered because of ideology and warfare from others. For Example apartheid in S Africa. Scientific abuse of human history ereasing contribution of black negroids, genocide and segregation in America and Australia of Blacks. etc.
Bla, bla, bla. The fact of the matter is that you have yet to give a standard parameter definition for your arbitrary interpretation. Many of the people you claim do not accept your definition. So if your definition isn't objective and it isn't ethnic. You have no logic behind it, just personal sentimentality.
uhoh you have a problem accept definitions about. and also accepting the reality. You can only see and live with YOUR Anthropometric divisions. divisions who aren't needed to solve problems. and also your Patriarchal way of thinking blocks you to understand my matriarchal way of thinking, acting and logic. and you amuse me that you so narrow minded to think that it is for me just a personal sentimentality. I see you have a lot to learn and to accept that thing could be different then you imagine
keep showing your madness. i can give you those parameters thats is no problem for me. I work not on your command and also to describe this it requires alot of space want can't posted here. i shall contact you private you here from me. i hope you can interpreted such knowledge right.
Don't worry it will come as soon as i see fit to it. besides you are the one who doesn't respond when i send you a private message. Mostly you respond to me on open channels like this.
Ok i'll remind u. That you where the 1ne first insult me one year ago when i first talk with you about the olmecs. But let we make a new start from here, without insults. so i won't insult you as long you don't do it either. any transgression will admit it otherwise the decision is yours. i want to debate with you at the same level as soundsfromnothing and i did. do you have the courage for that?
There are even some of us that are darker in colour, but we dont classify ourselves as blacks. Why? You can call us brown but not black. The term black refers to the Nguni people, the Xhosas (name given by us), Zulus, and other black tribes. We are indigenous to this land so if we were labeled as blacks the Nguni people that are blacks and us would be on the same level (which we not).
You see to call us blacks would be an insult, but sadly our people of Khoisan descent, because of poverty and for getting jobs in the new South Africa will call themselves black (black economic empowerment). The Khoisan should never be seen as black because they are the true South Africans because they are indigenous to this land. We as the Khoisan see ourselves as people not like the blacks, but separate from them and would not be seen or known like anything else.
Not true, Eradon. J2 haplogroup originated out of the middle east. The M172 Subclade (originally claimed to have entered Egypt during the Arab invasions) has been pushed back to just prior to the neolithic. This a) would account for Mediterranean features that began to appear around this time, B) would make sense agriculturally, as
a DEMIC wave of farming spread from the middle east into N. Africa & also Europe, & C) would account for the SIMILARITY of the middle eastern features that seemed to enter both N. Africa & Europe at the same time. Of course, there were later waves of Mediterranean types (including Ethio-Axumite mixed Arabs that back migrated into the Arabic penninsula) into Egypt. There were also late
(continued) could be set right in the middle of west africa or central africa. and some Aboriginals like the Yolgnu look like people from south India as well from east Africa southern Somali Land.i was shocked that even a lot of words are common and some even mean the same like MAKARATA how is that possible after so much years. also genetic distances about africans and other negroids outside doesn´t suprise me all i can say is in 70.000 years a lot could have happend.............
Not really. They do have some similarities. But there are strong differences as well. The Jarawa are brachycephalic, for example. The Aeta are craniofacially identical to Malay people.
Nice Anthropologic Term but that doesn't is of concern when it comes at historical relation to Africans or identical behaviour of cultural traits. I admit by doing my own proper research its true because as i said Earlier a lot of could have happend in 70.000 years so Agreed with those differences you mentioned. i couldn't agree with "The Aeta are craniofacially identical to Malay people". i would have if you had mention otherwise.Cuz the Aeta population are older then the Malay population
The Aeta are not older than the Malay. But the Malay did migrate to where Aeta where. But their cranio-facial features are indistinguishable. David Bulbeck did that study.
Thats right malays did migrate where the Aeta where. but if i look further in time who have already seeing the light and who's deffinitly not Aeta's where older. so far i am study the Malay/ Malayu Polynesian phenotype appears as result of interbreeding between Aeta/Melanesian like people and a mongoloid like person for example: Japanese, Han Chinese or Koreans. possibly occuring in Southern China 1500 years ago. Comparing such people with each other is like comparing parents and childerens
Wrong. The Malay look came from Indigenous Tawanese and they did not look like the Han or Japanese. They were in that region as old as the Aeta. Then they started island hopping. Austronesians. Negritos show affinities to prehistoric Taiwan. They were just an earlier migration that went through microevolution. Bulbeck explores this at length.
The Indigenous Taiwanese with there original phenotype justlook a like aeta and jarawara etc. are no more today. what is so difficult for you to accept the way things are without trying to twisted it? for example if i as black male go with japanese girl we have made a child. do you expect that he or she is the same in appearance like both of us maybe in culture by passing on but never in pshysical appearance.
BS!! however you measured the features of yesterdays decendants of indigenous Taiwanese. describe to me what for you the meaning of archaic features is. don't come with wikipedia or something i"ve already read that
i will look myself about David Bulbeck his foundings. but still an Eurocentric scientist. Do you think i let a white man teach me my own culture or about other non whites that shall never be . I just like to hear it and learn it from population them self
LMAO. You claim them as your culture, but they don't claim you. Your racial bias shows when you assume someone Eurocentric because of their phenotype.
Wrong as usual phenotype of europeans or others means nothing to me they are just inhabbatants of this world. its not their phenotype where i have problems with, but their ideology. (lucky not every europeans think that way). what has been the origin of very(not every) much problems today. and it is clear you don't know what Afrocentric or Eurocentric is. and what many means the domination of eurocentric. NOT that i said that afrocentric must dominate.
same as i stated earlier i will explain. and also i am working on a video too explain more of my own proper research and of course with sources so that you and others are enable to study it anytime. only time is the problem i a now for more then a year busy with it. and i only respond to constructive critics science isn't about black or white good or wrong and also science isn't developed by 1 single way as you may think.
Among those that fall under the parameters of so called negroid. Many you claim do not. For example, Jarawa are brachycephalic. Negroid is supposedly dolichocephalic.
But, Salsassin, the nasal indexes, supraorbitals, cheek structure, are nearly identical to many Bantu types. Genetically they group much closer to Asians (as is to be expected w/genetic drift & especially if bottlenecking occured).
Sure, in some aspects they definitely do. In my own research I found certain cranial matches with the Dogon (who also group closer to Afro Asiatic peoples) and some facial similarities to some populations in Gabon. But on the same token Neves found them to be intermediate between Egypt and Berg. Craniofacial plasticity is now known to be very high.
Not true Negroid in terms stands only for phenotype not Anthropometric diffrences or genetic Diffrences among Negroid populations. and in Africa there isn't a stereotype negroid population and not every negroid is supposedly dolichocephalic. I couldn't agree with you because i see you only making divisions in the negroid race, not in other non negroid races . For me race exsist bcs of phenotype without falling in 19th century ideology, still all races are equal and non is superior to each other.
Wrong. The term Negro was used to describe generic people of dark color. Negroid describes features in skulls that include a broad and round nasal cavity; no dam or nasal sill; Quonset hut-shaped nasal bones; notable facial projection in the jaw and mouth area (prognathism); a rectangular-shaped palate; a square or rectangular eye orbit shape; and large, megadontic teeth.
The San do not fit these parameters. Sorry no Negroid race. Racialist amuse me.
i will repeat again i am not concern with all those Anthropometric measures, genetic diffrences. i am only concern in defending the diversity in cultural achievements of all who i describe by my own paradigm as negroid in appearance or related with. and even if i used your standards for describing populations not every those so called negroids fit under that discription so its useless. I 'll see no room to discuss this further after all humans are more then Phenotype, Genotype and Pometry
"i am only concern in defending the diversity in cultural achievements of all who i describe by my own paradigm as negroid"
Your own paradigm. In other words, your own invention. Then don't come and argue about other people's perceptions. I go by established parameters, not whimsical perception. I could claim Chinese are Negroid by your methodology.
nice try but that isn't possible claiming by mine methodology chinese as negroids. if you been willing and stay neutral to let me show you mine perception and story about populations i am also coulant in staying open if you critisize it. but not like this the way you dramming and drop eurocentric views what isn't deffintly the ultimate single truth as you think on me.
Your methodology has yet to be defined. If you want me to go by your methodology, put it in writing. What qualifies as Negroid. What disqualifies it. And why do these qualifications show any genetic affinity over another.
I agree there Salsassin. If we are looking at things anthropologically (to deduce origin), then we should only be concerned w/ classifying them into the physical types they belong in (regardless of what continent they occupy).
The problem that DOES arise, is how we (especially those of use w/ Euro ancestry) have lumped ppl in the past; because we have lumped ppl into
inaccurate groups (often times based on nothing BUT skin color..or tried to lump MODERN, mixed ppl together based on skull features), we have caused mass confusion. There are still ppl that argue TODAY, that "caucasians" exist. THEY DON'T. There was no mythical race of ppl that descended from the caucasus mnts & developed VASTLY different
features (as the facial/body characteristics between Cro Magnons and Mediterranean/Middle Eastern types for example). Now we have generations of us w/ European ancestry confused about our own heritage
Sometimes I wonder whether even Bantu types & San types should be lumped into the same physical typing. They do carry some of the same extraneous physical characteristics, but are so vastly different (in not only facial structure, but-in many ways-body structure- as well) that it's hard to believe that they came from the Same continent at times. Still, that could just be genetic variation among Africans. I'm a firm believer as
(continued 1) well that (unless some unknown back migration occured) that the epicanthic fold (that Mongol Asians possess) originally came from the Khwe/San. The big mystery, too, is how the Bantu types arose. What made them so vastly different from the San? I know that different parts of Africa had different climates as well, & were under different selective forces (most likely), but what a drastic difference in the two. Probably one of the biggest mysteries concerning Ancient African ppls.
Agree soundsfromnothing. i think the San are different from bantu due to the past cold climate in south Africa in ancient times and this have resulted in envolving differently. the later arriving Bantu doesn't live at such cold circumstances the san possibly did in S. Africa. but it doesn't mean they aren't from the same mother source. more proper research is needed
Yep, you're right :) We definitely need to dig deeper to learn more about them. There are still millions of fossils being discovered due to erosion, construction, & shifting sands.. We are getting more pieces of the puzzle every day. Still, we know so little about early man. This may sound crazy, but I'm not even convinced that early man didn't
live in Antarctica (or at least visit/migrate back & forth from S. America). There were ice-free corridors that were open during periods just after the ice age. If we could get in there & dig..what would we find? That would be some discovery! Shakelton would have nothing on an anthropologist that solved that mystery. I'll say one thing...early man definitely got around!
i forget this just like the san in Africa. the Ainu of Hokaido japan are also very distinct compared to other populations around Japan. they prossibly share some genetics with indegenous australians. even in physical appearance they show a lot of variety
All humans are from the same mother source. But San separated from Bantu much earlier than say Middle Easterners and North East Africans. It has more to do with Solar radiation and diet than cold. Maybe the epicanthic folds were affected by weather temperature.
That could be it too. BTW, I hadn't heard about the more recent discovery (regarding the Hofmeyr skulls). Needless to say I was blown away! It makes a lot of sense too; Some of the early Cro Magnon specimens look almost San, while others have an African look, yet aren't quite pin-pointable. Even taking into account a transition between San to Cro Magnon or even Bantu to Cro Magnon types, there was still something that was a little different about d
those skulls found in Europe. If the findings on the Hofmeyer skull are conclusive (or relatively close) that would account for MUCH of the variation we see in transitioning UP Cro Mag skulls. Another interesting sidenote, even amongst the Cro Mags (said to have fully evolved by 25,000 K ago), there are some w/ wildly different features.
You talking about the Grimaldi skulls? (Grotte de Infants) Some similarities. I'd say convergent. The early European skulls that date to Hofmeyr in South Africa all have similar traits. But Hofmeyr was over two standard deviations away from any modern human skull. The closest being Australains actually.
I'm not sure. Does Sunghir qualify as Grimaldi (is Grimaldi used in the greater sense to describe transitioning features?). I've seen the Grimaldi proper finds as well.
Here are the links, if this helps. These may be the same one's your referring to.
w w w . drummingnet . c o m / alekseev / ChapterIV . h t m l
Shoot..forgot to add the rest. Check out the busts from the Sunghir site."Sunghir 3" girl is strange; She doesn't really fit ANY of the other finds. She also has prognathism more similar to Neanderthals and a very wide face (although the DNA tests did not show Neanderthal DNA..not sure if Neanderthal genome had even been mapped at all then). Sunghir man actually looks like it has features between a Bantu type & the French "Old man of Cro Magnon. The skull wasn't properly
stored, so they made no promises of real accuracy during its reconstruction. Apparently is is closer to some "proto-Cro Magnon" finds in the near east. One woman & one of the girls almost appear to take on E. Asian characteristics as well. Could Cro Magnons have come from Multiple Migrations? From Africa? From Evolving Africans in the Middle East? Evolving Africans in Asia? Enough to make your
Frank Williams tlaks about it in many of his studies. There seems to have been a lot more craniofacial diversity in crania back then. So in one group you could get people that would classify all over Howells
You're right..I was noticing that too. I was noticing that the jaw structure of Sunghir (especially) seemed closer to Bantu types, while the nasal bridge seemed vastly different. As for the nose itself, it is hard to place. It could mean that that was an original Cro Mag element (that evolved in Russia & later contributed to the "Halstatt" characteristics we see nowadays) or it could have evolved in another area.
Remember that they were isolated from each other for a long period. Especially the Southern San. The more northern KhoiKhoi show more admixture and much closer genetic distances to Bantu populations.
(continued 2) but that genetic distance doesn´t say that we aren´t from the same mother who birth us both long ago. if you observe Aboriginal Culure same artifacts are found in ancient Africa Central and east region. at last native Americans so far i have discovered come from 5 different populations who doesn´t arrived at the same time however the most recent groups of migrations came from beringia older ones are unknown and not much at every aspect is left about it as i think of absorbation
How are you so sure of that after so many Natives are disapeared after the slaughter brought by Europeans. Then again how are you so sure that the so called mongoloids haven't absorbing others if different scientist has proven there had been more past migrations of populations entering the America's?
Simple. Those cranio facial features have survived into the present. Populations like the Botocudo and the Pericu. But their genetics shows an Asian ancestry that matches other natives. Genetic drift accounts for the variation.
What is Negroid? It is an anthropometric term. You means Sub Saharan? Many Sub Saharans like Somalis are seen as Black, but not Negroid. Color but not Craniofacial parameter.
i see about your way of talking you like to slander africans. you forget your people have the same problems as africans today and worse lost a whole continent to foreigners. most of them aren't able to explain their roots because alot is destroyed just like in africa Your people are allowed to move free in a prison called reservation. so everything you know and learn about others or maybe yourself is centered of the whitemen his perspective and opinion. so stop your BS against africa
AztecaQc, you don't know what the hell your talking about. You are a Mongoloid, which means your from Asia. We were in the America's first. Scientists and the educated world knows, except you. Papyrus and Hieroglyphics are in Mexico and I know you don't think you mofo's did that shit. Olmec statues prove we were here in the Americas'. Your not even a pure blood. You didn't even come into existence until the 1600's. Spaniards killed the indian men, then impregnated the women.
AztecaQc i know you are confused. Africans did migrated outside a long time a go before your people even existed look for example at the Papuans of New Guinea. and observe their culture very good because once your people look like this people, before the arrival of the Mongoloid race in the america's between 8.000-6.000 years ago. what had result in a lot of crossbreeding between the negroids of America. even until today in Africa exsist people very similair with identical cultural traits
LOL. THe so called Mongoloid and the Papuans share the same ancestors. Ancestors that Africans do not share. They are closer genetically to each other than to Africans.
Not quite. Papuans and Mongoloids have been in their respective places about the same time. Just different environments influencing their features, Papuans have also changed. They do not look like their forefathers either.
Lol you really ignoring the existence of Papuans, San, Djinka, Jarrawara's and a lot of others with the same characteristics and of course variations of that characteristics etc. come back to me when some of them beats you and wake you up from your deep sleep. your brain seem to me very damaged almost beyond repair if you leave more trash like this.
Nice try. You look at some superficial characteristics and call them a race. I can point at a ton of other features that show them completely unrelated. Convergent evolution.
You have yet to show they are closer to each other than other populations around the world.
Genetic diffrentiation among populations who where separated so long Ago as Papuans and Africans is understandable after generations have passed. also Genetic diffrentiation also depends on environnement each population live, how long ago a group split of a population to form a new population and what circumstances where at the time after their split off. And we notice at the same time a lot of mutations occurs in both groups.
Salsassin i think you could learn a lot at many aspects from the soundsfromnothing. He sounds far more wiser to me then you ever could imagine. and his claims are valid Too.
I garantee you that anyone making these comments in many places would be deported imediatly if they made rascist and hostile accusations against the native population like this publicaly. If you think Islam is so great and tolerant and and super advanced and enlighted way before Europians were then go to Saudi Arabia or even a moderate Islamic country and make statement like these about Arabs and Islam. Try the same thing in China or North Korea, or the Balkans, or a US reservation.
In many places in East Asia "advanced" industrialized countires still largely consider people who marry foreigners as race trators. People in many "traditional" socities still won't allow imigration because they are afraid it will dilute their cultural and/or racial purity. Todays Europians are facing radical Islam from their own population of immigrants and are so politicaly correct they can barely talk about it.
Europians and their relitive descendents only even make up fifteen percent of the planets population anyway. So if any one should be considered overly common trash it isn't them. Besides, it's not like were going to find any other society thats betterthan them. China is still heavily rascist and it's own government covertly tries to erradicate the native ugurs and then cover it up. I probably would burn up most of the server space on this site if I wanted to go into the Islamic world problems.
Then their are the constant posts the use words like ugly, cracker, eurotrash, everytime a white person is mentioned. Europian ethnic groups are all as distinct as any other group on earth and deserve to be respected for their relitive achievments in science, architecture, literature and social studies. Modern Europians don't lack problems of their own and don't deserve to be treated as hemoginous "trash" that has to be disrespected and treated with suspicion.
If someone wanted to make a documentary about what first nation people experienced from colnialism that would be one thing. But this is total bull. No one who knows anything about how societies have historically colonized each other could say what Europians did to aboriginals was any worse than what other societies have done. The Islamic world virtualy eradicated the native societies of the Middle East and the Near East. Han Chinese butchered non han for centuries to gain territory etc.
Exactly! Why is this woman who's supposed to be of the indigenous people of the "So Called" americas white? I wonder has the director actually seen a real native person before...probably not! She should actually have dark brown reddish tint skin!
not all natives have dark brown reddish skin and this comment is coming from someone who lives on a resavation matter fact i let you know which one come visit someday oneida indian res. in oneida ny route 46
If anyone knew anything about history you can go to the pyramids here in America and South America and look at the tombs and find history of the original inhabitants of this land called America, I have been and seen with my eyes what is hidden from us, and what we want learn in school. Stop watching tel-lie-vision and go see the truth for yourself.
But the woman thats supposed to be native,is clearly white...why is that? And why is it that when you watch documentaries about ancient Egypt, or the Israelites on the discovery channel the actors & actresses are either Armenian or white? But in the bible its very clear that both these peoples were black.Moses is told to put his hand into his bosom and when he takes it back out, it is LEPROUS (white) as snow. If Moses was already white-skinned, why would God turn him from white to white?
How can it be Afrocentric when this story is recorded by a member of the first nation of the americas? You speak to soon, your cover is blown and you are exposed as a hypocrit and a racist! .....Salsassin!
Nice try dumb ass. The claim is Afrocentric. That they sold the claim to some Natives makes no difference. Many Natives parroted Eurocentric claims taught to them in the past as well.
No 1 here like to see your Eurocentric Trash. So keep you mouth shut for once and for all Filty Maggot. I suggest to talk with your own Race where you free to speak and your own race is the white/Caucasian race There you belong pendejo. You have nothing common with Africans or other Negroid populations on this planet. maybe this you understand very good. Hijo de puta metete por el culo de de puta madre!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Everywhere i go on youtube someone has to throw some egyptian bs on a comment. this video has nothing to do with egypt or those dirty ass hamites (egyptians) its about the hebrew tribes of Judah the so called negroes and Gad the so called native americans. take that wicked ass egyptian witch craft back to the place where you found it the toilet.
LOL 1:20 that guy just picked it up from the ground thats hardly romantic
dnrongo 1 month ago
@dnrongo I bet you were one of the five white people that disliked the video.This is from the Native American perspective not like that rapist who violated Pocahontas that whites lie about I bet racist disney will not make a movie about this
ThePerfectBlack100 1 month ago in playlist Truth
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Too lazy didnt watch the entire thing. Trollolol
dnrongo 1 month ago
@dnrongo oh you was trolling LOL!
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See my playlist for the REAL truth on whom the REAL first Americans were
AssholeBlogger 11 months ago
I doubt the boat they would have came over on would be that small, but none the less GREAT!
IHS7 1 year ago
@IHS7 agreed. A boat of that size wouldn;t carry too much, and for the journey it was then... it wouldn't be worth it.
Kronimiciad 9 months ago in playlist Medieval West Africa
That was cool, but damn, she was as pale as the real pale ones and their child was too, otherwise it was pretty accurate.
XNakisisaX 1 year ago
Rather than rewriting history, don't you think it would make more sense to strive for a better future, not by false accusations or politcally correct (= factually incorrect) mythologies, but rather by getting yourself educated and getting into a profitable career, then paying your own way through life and teaching your children to obey laws and respect others, without blaming everyone else for your problems or relying on unsustainable socialistic welfare-for-votes pandering.
Linguiphile 1 year ago
PC BS. I have studied claims of PreColumbian American history for nearly 30 years. Yes, there is conciderable archeological evidence of Phonecian trading ships people making contact with Amerinds in central America. While the Phonecians themselves were Semitic--and therefore closely resembled modern Palestinians--their ships are known to have often included Negroid crew members. Otherwise, the story presented here is nothing more than imaginative antiwestern leftist propaganda.
Linguiphile 1 year ago
all western views are anti-African in everyway contrary just look at you treatment of people of color period. Africans where populating this earth way back before writing and libraries ancient people. your own people where just barabarians before relegion. stop white washing history. enough lost kowledge has all ready been left out in order to conquer and propanganda to munipulate.
spiritwolf50 1 year ago
@Linguiphile palenstinians my ass there pop is only 27% pheonician
chitownzfinesthustla 1 year ago
@Linguiphile Wrong, Phoenicians were a Greek people, not Semites
Eagle027 11 months ago
what it pisses you off to see how native people state facts like africans sailed to the west long before europeons
if you listen to any one history
it differs from that big white lie that is told by racist
Africans have been going far off into the sea for the last 145'000 years please call me a lie so i can post where you can find the info
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iAm0358 4 months ago
@iAm0358 Blombos cave is on the coast of south africa it is a site that has been dated back to 140,000 years ago they hunted whale and mined Iron for an ochre The color is still used today for body paint in southern Africa in the country of Namibia hope that helped a little I had more info a year ago when I posted this comment but to learn more about this very ancient civilization look up south african ancient gold mines
BamaBoy205SR 4 months ago
Amusing, but weak. Yes, the pale faces are responsible for all evil in the world... Also implies that Native Americans and African Americans have no place in the business world. False.
The "great water without end" does not appear to be a body of salt water... Where was this filmed?
FWCKevin 2 years ago
This is naively funny. I like it when they try to "teach us" something unbelievable and it ends up as pc shit. Very funny. More please.
giltedged 2 years ago
Yeah ss an uneducated ass you never had the chance to read "They came before Colombus" of Ivan Van Sertima,lol,sometimes ignorance can't justify every stupids comments on Youtube,come on folks you can do better
TheSoundjataKeita 2 years ago
hahaha utter pc bullshit.
ne0nsurf 2 years ago
This video is feel good pseudohistory. Genetic evidence also shows that the Native genetic contribution, at least in the African American population is much, much lower.
Salsassin 2 years ago
Im flagging this video. Im so sick of racism agaist white people. We did alot of good.
WipeThatNiggerBackIn 2 years ago
sorry but this music is depressing
absongs 2 years ago
good video!!!
eradon23 2 years ago
oh look, the ghetto people have arrived to america! watch your wallets!
JorkoOfMiami 2 years ago
Well Jorko, See you have a smart mouth huh. Just tell me which mutation class you come from so we can have some fun.
tommy2cy2k 2 years ago
This to me is a representation of the Moors coming into the East Coast of the US. Moors came over here at the height of there reign in Europe where they civilized you scum. We built all of the Pyramids all over the World. The only time you believe in Aliens is when it comes to the pyramids. Aliens built it alright. They are called the Nigger Species.
tommy2cy2k 2 years ago
None of you people know what your talking about. The oldest remains ever found in Brazil, Columbia and many other countries are Afrikan. Nigger or Negroid whatever you Mutations call it. North Afrika and Northeastern Afrika(Middle East) was attacked and conquered by white mutations. The Arabs you see are a mix of original man (Afrikan) and Whites. Arab language is a Black Man's Language. Like you people would ever call yourself a name like Mu-Ham-Mad or Ka-Dee-Jah.
tommy2cy2k 2 years ago
I took the possibility of it and plus I was pretty ignorant of the ancient nations that roamed throughout North Africa. I have already taken back what I have stated earlier.
Greg879 2 years ago
This is true, my apologies for misinformation and hateful rhetoric. Good video.
Greg879 2 years ago
Excellent video thanks for sharing I really enjoyed it.
Kalydosos 2 years ago
That proves it. The guns and drugs were there before whites arrived.
jk jk, I don't wanna get stabbed.
ILIKESFLAN 3 years ago
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Greg879 3 years ago
whats your point?
randomletterss 3 years ago
AztecaQc 2 years ago
Listen boy i have respect for both native americans and africans. but you have to tone down your mouth native of north africa is negroid is proven even by DNA and genetics. people of todays north africa doesnt ressemble the phenotype of the past ones. just like native americans the first wave of your people had the same phenotype as africans, melanesians, papuans and aboriginals etc. but have developed an own culture second wave ressembled so called mongoloid but all native american.
eradon23 2 years ago
North Africans do have Negroid blood...but they also have large amounts of Mediterranean (or Middle Eastern blood) going back to the NEOLITHIC (over 10,000 years ago). This is why Egyptians looked so much different from Nubians (even back then). This is why Somalis & Ethios look vastly different. It wasn't just the later Arab invasions. Papuans & most Melanesians are of the Australoid (related to Australian Aborigines) physical type. They
soundsfromnothing 2 years ago
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are not African. The Negritos however (although, genetically, they lump closer to Asians) are of African physical type (the Jarawa could be set right in the middle of west africa, & no one would know any different). Some Native Americans (especially those in S. America) do resemble Australioids. Some seem similar to the Ainu. No one knows for sure. Actually, Native American ancestry has been 1 of the toughest to sort out.
soundsfromnothing 2 years ago
Thanks for the information. but i already aware of this but before we continue i am from East Africa. and second Mediterranean blood doesn't ressemble population or phenotype. it only ressemble what genetic material is common with others of that region or influenced by. if we go back to the NEOLITHIC my friend their were only negroid people living there. We have to overstand that the negroid race varies in different shapes including Australoids. even today some papuans....
eradon23 2 years ago
(continued 3 last one) sorry friend for the long post. absorbation of the mongoloid race. who had left a deep marker in the america´s. what i described as unknown could have been direct from Africa or by by travel the Pacific Ocean by the same ancient africans who evolved in the oceanic negroids like melanesians. even europe could have been possible. however that is mine opinion of this subject.
eradon23 2 years ago
The ancient Africans did not look like modern Africans. And especially not like modern East Africans.
Salsassin 2 years ago
What is the definition of a Modern Africans and East Africans for you? someone you met yesterday in Addis Ababa, Accra, Rabat or Johannesburg? Meanwhile a change of admixture with a forgeiner like you is there or worse you point at a foreigner like those south Afrikaners and see him as a true African. I will repeat for you despite your stupidity. NEGRO AFRICANS AND NEGROIDS AROUND THE WORLD WITHOUT ADMIXTURE LOOK LIKE ANCIENT AFRICANS. there is no room of discussion left to doubt it.
eradon23 2 years ago
Keep dreaming. Let me know when you can find one African with the proportions of Hofmeyr or Idaltu skulls.
Salsassin 2 years ago
Also, Salsassin, I forgot to address the Idaltu skulls; Idaltu is thought to be a SEPARATE SPECIES, so he wouldn't look like any African human (Sapiens Sapiens). His forehead was much higher, his head was narrower.
soundsfromnothing 2 years ago
Yeah that has always been a possibility. We really can't know for sure as there is no genetic material. And with craniofacial variability as it is....
His brows were also much bigger. Again Australians are the closest, but still by a long shot.
Salsassin 2 years ago
San are not mixed
Salsassin 2 years ago
I never said San are mixed. You really have serious isues read again my previous post. San are NOT South Afrikaners despite they live in South Africa. and San are fullblooded Negroids your stupid divisions you believe in doesn't affect a true African like me. and your endles prattle for making divisions on Negroid populations because of genetic diffrentation and variation is of non concern to me.
eradon23 2 years ago
Yawn, from the mouth of a San himself:
We call ourselves N/oakhwe, 'the red people', or Kgeika Kwena, 'the first people'. The Khoisan are not black. We are separate from other populations. The Khoisan people are not easy to classify due to outside elements that have been playing a part in destroying our identity. We are brown; yellowish in colour and even some are whitish.
Salsassin 2 years ago
Where and When did you here this? and wich circumstances occurs? even in my population people reffer them self as brown yellowish. instead of black and separate them from other Negroids still i doubt the validity of such an indivual person, when they made a claim like this. because many (not every) still many negroids are confused and mentally unstable due of the Colonial Past. and divisions where made above natural divisions by Europeans. so it doens't suprise me when Africans do so today
eradon23 2 years ago
LOL. You are the confused one using a racialist colonialist term, Negroid. No sorry, Africa has never been one monolithic group. In fact Afrasia has never been one as they are all connected. Humanity has always been diverse. An Ethiopian is closer to a Middle Easterner than a San.
Salsassin 2 years ago
You amuse me. how ever your point of view leaves me very cold. it only shows me how ingnorant you are and using wrong constructions to discuss where i am talking about and stands for. you seems to forget that every population under MINE definition of negroid has suffered because of ideology and warfare from others. For Example apartheid in S Africa. Scientific abuse of human history ereasing contribution of black negroids, genocide and segregation in America and Australia of Blacks. etc.
eradon23 2 years ago
Bla, bla, bla. The fact of the matter is that you have yet to give a standard parameter definition for your arbitrary interpretation. Many of the people you claim do not accept your definition. So if your definition isn't objective and it isn't ethnic. You have no logic behind it, just personal sentimentality.
Salsassin 2 years ago
uhoh you have a problem accept definitions about. and also accepting the reality. You can only see and live with YOUR Anthropometric divisions. divisions who aren't needed to solve problems. and also your Patriarchal way of thinking blocks you to understand my matriarchal way of thinking, acting and logic. and you amuse me that you so narrow minded to think that it is for me just a personal sentimentality. I see you have a lot to learn and to accept that thing could be different then you imagine
eradon23 2 years ago
LOL. A lotr of fluff, but I notice you still can't give your parameters. Matrilineal or otherwise.
Salsassin 2 years ago
keep showing your madness. i can give you those parameters thats is no problem for me. I work not on your command and also to describe this it requires alot of space want can't posted here. i shall contact you private you here from me. i hope you can interpreted such knowledge right.
eradon23 2 years ago
LOL> I'll await your PM.
Salsassin 2 years ago
Don't worry it will come as soon as i see fit to it. besides you are the one who doesn't respond when i send you a private message. Mostly you respond to me on open channels like this.
eradon23 2 years ago
You were probably blocked for using insults. Or for spamming. Don't remember,
I'll unblock you and see what happens.
Salsassin 2 years ago
Ok i'll remind u. That you where the 1ne first insult me one year ago when i first talk with you about the olmecs. But let we make a new start from here, without insults. so i won't insult you as long you don't do it either. any transgression will admit it otherwise the decision is yours. i want to debate with you at the same level as soundsfromnothing and i did. do you have the courage for that?
eradon23 2 years ago
Sounds fair.
Salsassin 2 years ago
Cont.
There are even some of us that are darker in colour, but we dont classify ourselves as blacks. Why? You can call us brown but not black. The term black refers to the Nguni people, the Xhosas (name given by us), Zulus, and other black tribes. We are indigenous to this land so if we were labeled as blacks the Nguni people that are blacks and us would be on the same level (which we not).
Salsassin 2 years ago
cont.
You see to call us blacks would be an insult, but sadly our people of Khoisan descent, because of poverty and for getting jobs in the new South Africa will call themselves black (black economic empowerment). The Khoisan should never be seen as black because they are the true South Africans because they are indigenous to this land. We as the Khoisan see ourselves as people not like the blacks, but separate from them and would not be seen or known like anything else.
Salsassin 2 years ago
"NEGROIDS AROUND THE WORLD WITHOUT ADMIXTURE LOOK LIKE ANCIENT AFRICANS."
The San are not mixed and do not look like Ancient Africans.
Salsassin 2 years ago
You aren't East African. You are a wannabe.
Salsassin 2 years ago
Right that is what you are a WANNABE in every aspect. And you proved it more then once to me. LOL
eradon23 2 years ago
LOL your delusion is entertaining
Salsassin 2 years ago
Keep showing your projections and twsting your problem to me LOL After all its you who are deluded here.
eradon23 2 years ago
Not true, Eradon. J2 haplogroup originated out of the middle east. The M172 Subclade (originally claimed to have entered Egypt during the Arab invasions) has been pushed back to just prior to the neolithic. This a) would account for Mediterranean features that began to appear around this time, B) would make sense agriculturally, as
soundsfromnothing 2 years ago
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a DEMIC wave of farming spread from the middle east into N. Africa & also Europe, & C) would account for the SIMILARITY of the middle eastern features that seemed to enter both N. Africa & Europe at the same time. Of course, there were later waves of Mediterranean types (including Ethio-Axumite mixed Arabs that back migrated into the Arabic penninsula) into Egypt. There were also late
soundsfromnothing 2 years ago
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Meditterraneans that migrated into Europe (N. Africans-Iberians- into Spain & the British Isles, also Phonecians).
soundsfromnothing 2 years ago
True read about it
eradon23 2 years ago
(continued) could be set right in the middle of west africa or central africa. and some Aboriginals like the Yolgnu look like people from south India as well from east Africa southern Somali Land.i was shocked that even a lot of words are common and some even mean the same like MAKARATA how is that possible after so much years. also genetic distances about africans and other negroids outside doesn´t suprise me all i can say is in 70.000 years a lot could have happend.............
eradon23 2 years ago
Not really. They do have some similarities. But there are strong differences as well. The Jarawa are brachycephalic, for example. The Aeta are craniofacially identical to Malay people.
Salsassin 2 years ago
Nice Anthropologic Term but that doesn't is of concern when it comes at historical relation to Africans or identical behaviour of cultural traits. I admit by doing my own proper research its true because as i said Earlier a lot of could have happend in 70.000 years so Agreed with those differences you mentioned. i couldn't agree with "The Aeta are craniofacially identical to Malay people". i would have if you had mention otherwise.Cuz the Aeta population are older then the Malay population
eradon23 2 years ago
The Aeta are not older than the Malay. But the Malay did migrate to where Aeta where. But their cranio-facial features are indistinguishable. David Bulbeck did that study.
Salsassin 2 years ago
Thats right malays did migrate where the Aeta where. but if i look further in time who have already seeing the light and who's deffinitly not Aeta's where older. so far i am study the Malay/ Malayu Polynesian phenotype appears as result of interbreeding between Aeta/Melanesian like people and a mongoloid like person for example: Japanese, Han Chinese or Koreans. possibly occuring in Southern China 1500 years ago. Comparing such people with each other is like comparing parents and childerens
eradon23 2 years ago
Wrong. The Malay look came from Indigenous Tawanese and they did not look like the Han or Japanese. They were in that region as old as the Aeta. Then they started island hopping. Austronesians. Negritos show affinities to prehistoric Taiwan. They were just an earlier migration that went through microevolution. Bulbeck explores this at length.
Salsassin 2 years ago
The Indigenous Taiwanese with there original phenotype justlook a like aeta and jarawara etc. are no more today. what is so difficult for you to accept the way things are without trying to twisted it? for example if i as black male go with japanese girl we have made a child. do you expect that he or she is the same in appearance like both of us maybe in culture by passing on but never in pshysical appearance.
eradon23 2 years ago
Wrong. The indigenous Taiwanese had archaic features. Modern features have evolved locally in various regions.
Salsassin 2 years ago
BS!! however you measured the features of yesterdays decendants of indigenous Taiwanese. describe to me what for you the meaning of archaic features is. don't come with wikipedia or something i"ve already read that
eradon23 2 years ago
Naw, I'll have to pull up data from Bulbeck or Pietrazewsky.
Salsassin 2 years ago
i will look myself about David Bulbeck his foundings. but still an Eurocentric scientist. Do you think i let a white man teach me my own culture or about other non whites that shall never be . I just like to hear it and learn it from population them self
eradon23 2 years ago
LMAO. You claim them as your culture, but they don't claim you. Your racial bias shows when you assume someone Eurocentric because of their phenotype.
Salsassin 2 years ago
Wrong as usual phenotype of europeans or others means nothing to me they are just inhabbatants of this world. its not their phenotype where i have problems with, but their ideology. (lucky not every europeans think that way). what has been the origin of very(not every) much problems today. and it is clear you don't know what Afrocentric or Eurocentric is. and what many means the domination of eurocentric. NOT that i said that afrocentric must dominate.
eradon23 2 years ago
Still fluff. Again, where are your parameters. What makes one Negroid. What makes one not negroid.
Salsassin 2 years ago
same as i stated earlier i will explain. and also i am working on a video too explain more of my own proper research and of course with sources so that you and others are enable to study it anytime. only time is the problem i a now for more then a year busy with it. and i only respond to constructive critics science isn't about black or white good or wrong and also science isn't developed by 1 single way as you may think.
eradon23 2 years ago
Never claimed there was only one way. But it has to be replicable.
Salsassin 2 years ago
and all those differences among all negroids is due adaption of envoirnement and at some case due climatetorial factors.
eradon23 2 years ago
Among those that fall under the parameters of so called negroid. Many you claim do not. For example, Jarawa are brachycephalic. Negroid is supposedly dolichocephalic.
Salsassin 2 years ago
But, Salsassin, the nasal indexes, supraorbitals, cheek structure, are nearly identical to many Bantu types. Genetically they group much closer to Asians (as is to be expected w/genetic drift & especially if bottlenecking occured).
soundsfromnothing 2 years ago
Sure, in some aspects they definitely do. In my own research I found certain cranial matches with the Dogon (who also group closer to Afro Asiatic peoples) and some facial similarities to some populations in Gabon. But on the same token Neves found them to be intermediate between Egypt and Berg. Craniofacial plasticity is now known to be very high.
Salsassin 2 years ago
That is true too.
soundsfromnothing 2 years ago
Agreed
eradon23 2 years ago
Not true Negroid in terms stands only for phenotype not Anthropometric diffrences or genetic Diffrences among Negroid populations. and in Africa there isn't a stereotype negroid population and not every negroid is supposedly dolichocephalic. I couldn't agree with you because i see you only making divisions in the negroid race, not in other non negroid races . For me race exsist bcs of phenotype without falling in 19th century ideology, still all races are equal and non is superior to each other.
eradon23 2 years ago
Wrong. The term Negro was used to describe generic people of dark color. Negroid describes features in skulls that include a broad and round nasal cavity; no dam or nasal sill; Quonset hut-shaped nasal bones; notable facial projection in the jaw and mouth area (prognathism); a rectangular-shaped palate; a square or rectangular eye orbit shape; and large, megadontic teeth.
The San do not fit these parameters. Sorry no Negroid race. Racialist amuse me.
Salsassin 2 years ago
i will repeat again i am not concern with all those Anthropometric measures, genetic diffrences. i am only concern in defending the diversity in cultural achievements of all who i describe by my own paradigm as negroid in appearance or related with. and even if i used your standards for describing populations not every those so called negroids fit under that discription so its useless. I 'll see no room to discuss this further after all humans are more then Phenotype, Genotype and Pometry
eradon23 2 years ago
"i am only concern in defending the diversity in cultural achievements of all who i describe by my own paradigm as negroid"
Your own paradigm. In other words, your own invention. Then don't come and argue about other people's perceptions. I go by established parameters, not whimsical perception. I could claim Chinese are Negroid by your methodology.
Salsassin 2 years ago
nice try but that isn't possible claiming by mine methodology chinese as negroids. if you been willing and stay neutral to let me show you mine perception and story about populations i am also coulant in staying open if you critisize it. but not like this the way you dramming and drop eurocentric views what isn't deffintly the ultimate single truth as you think on me.
eradon23 2 years ago
Your methodology has yet to be defined. If you want me to go by your methodology, put it in writing. What qualifies as Negroid. What disqualifies it. And why do these qualifications show any genetic affinity over another.
Salsassin 2 years ago
I agree there Salsassin. If we are looking at things anthropologically (to deduce origin), then we should only be concerned w/ classifying them into the physical types they belong in (regardless of what continent they occupy).
The problem that DOES arise, is how we (especially those of use w/ Euro ancestry) have lumped ppl in the past; because we have lumped ppl into
soundsfromnothing 2 years ago
(reply to Salsassin cont.)
inaccurate groups (often times based on nothing BUT skin color..or tried to lump MODERN, mixed ppl together based on skull features), we have caused mass confusion. There are still ppl that argue TODAY, that "caucasians" exist. THEY DON'T. There was no mythical race of ppl that descended from the caucasus mnts & developed VASTLY different
soundsfromnothing 2 years ago
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features (as the facial/body characteristics between Cro Magnons and Mediterranean/Middle Eastern types for example). Now we have generations of us w/ European ancestry confused about our own heritage
soundsfromnothing 2 years ago
Very true.
Salsassin 2 years ago
Yes that is the way i mean soundsfromnothing.
eradon23 2 years ago
You're right.
soundsfromnothing 2 years ago
Sometimes I wonder whether even Bantu types & San types should be lumped into the same physical typing. They do carry some of the same extraneous physical characteristics, but are so vastly different (in not only facial structure, but-in many ways-body structure- as well) that it's hard to believe that they came from the Same continent at times. Still, that could just be genetic variation among Africans. I'm a firm believer as
soundsfromnothing 2 years ago
(continued 1) well that (unless some unknown back migration occured) that the epicanthic fold (that Mongol Asians possess) originally came from the Khwe/San. The big mystery, too, is how the Bantu types arose. What made them so vastly different from the San? I know that different parts of Africa had different climates as well, & were under different selective forces (most likely), but what a drastic difference in the two. Probably one of the biggest mysteries concerning Ancient African ppls.
soundsfromnothing 2 years ago
Agree soundsfromnothing. i think the San are different from bantu due to the past cold climate in south Africa in ancient times and this have resulted in envolving differently. the later arriving Bantu doesn't live at such cold circumstances the san possibly did in S. Africa. but it doesn't mean they aren't from the same mother source. more proper research is needed
eradon23 2 years ago
Yep, you're right :) We definitely need to dig deeper to learn more about them. There are still millions of fossils being discovered due to erosion, construction, & shifting sands.. We are getting more pieces of the puzzle every day. Still, we know so little about early man. This may sound crazy, but I'm not even convinced that early man didn't
soundsfromnothing 2 years ago
(continued)
live in Antarctica (or at least visit/migrate back & forth from S. America). There were ice-free corridors that were open during periods just after the ice age. If we could get in there & dig..what would we find? That would be some discovery! Shakelton would have nothing on an anthropologist that solved that mystery. I'll say one thing...early man definitely got around!
soundsfromnothing 2 years ago
Yes that is exactly what i am thinking too.
eradon23 2 years ago
i forget this just like the san in Africa. the Ainu of Hokaido japan are also very distinct compared to other populations around Japan. they prossibly share some genetics with indegenous australians. even in physical appearance they show a lot of variety
eradon23 2 years ago
All humans are from the same mother source. But San separated from Bantu much earlier than say Middle Easterners and North East Africans. It has more to do with Solar radiation and diet than cold. Maybe the epicanthic folds were affected by weather temperature.
Salsassin 2 years ago
That could be it too. BTW, I hadn't heard about the more recent discovery (regarding the Hofmeyr skulls). Needless to say I was blown away! It makes a lot of sense too; Some of the early Cro Magnon specimens look almost San, while others have an African look, yet aren't quite pin-pointable. Even taking into account a transition between San to Cro Magnon or even Bantu to Cro Magnon types, there was still something that was a little different about d
soundsfromnothing 2 years ago
(continued)
those skulls found in Europe. If the findings on the Hofmeyer skull are conclusive (or relatively close) that would account for MUCH of the variation we see in transitioning UP Cro Mag skulls. Another interesting sidenote, even amongst the Cro Mags (said to have fully evolved by 25,000 K ago), there are some w/ wildly different features.
soundsfromnothing 2 years ago
very true
Salsassin 2 years ago
You talking about the Grimaldi skulls? (Grotte de Infants) Some similarities. I'd say convergent. The early European skulls that date to Hofmeyr in South Africa all have similar traits. But Hofmeyr was over two standard deviations away from any modern human skull. The closest being Australains actually.
Salsassin 2 years ago
I'm not sure. Does Sunghir qualify as Grimaldi (is Grimaldi used in the greater sense to describe transitioning features?). I've seen the Grimaldi proper finds as well.
Here are the links, if this helps. These may be the same one's your referring to.
w w w . drummingnet . c o m / alekseev / ChapterIV . h t m l
soundsfromnothing 2 years ago
Shoot..forgot to add the rest. Check out the busts from the Sunghir site."Sunghir 3" girl is strange; She doesn't really fit ANY of the other finds. She also has prognathism more similar to Neanderthals and a very wide face (although the DNA tests did not show Neanderthal DNA..not sure if Neanderthal genome had even been mapped at all then). Sunghir man actually looks like it has features between a Bantu type & the French "Old man of Cro Magnon. The skull wasn't properly
soundsfromnothing 2 years ago
Reply to Salsassin cont 1)
stored, so they made no promises of real accuracy during its reconstruction. Apparently is is closer to some "proto-Cro Magnon" finds in the near east. One woman & one of the girls almost appear to take on E. Asian characteristics as well. Could Cro Magnons have come from Multiple Migrations? From Africa? From Evolving Africans in the Middle East? Evolving Africans in Asia? Enough to make your
soundsfromnothing 2 years ago
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head spin..
Here's the Sunghir link: w w w . rc . ru /~ladygin / sungir / looked/ index . php
Here's the neaderthal boy for comparison to Sunghir 3 girl:
h t t p : / / en . wikipedia . org/ wiki/File :Neanderthal_child .j pg
Here's the
soundsfromnothing 2 years ago
(Reply to Salsassin cont 3)
"Old man of Cro Magnon" bust:
w w w . amnh . org/ exhibitions/ atapuerca/ gallery /after . php?image=4& page=arrival
I think you are right though;I think Grimaldi & Kostenki are referred to collectively (in the proto Cro Mag sense).
Sorry for drawing it out..stupid Youtube.
soundsfromnothing 2 years ago
Frank Williams tlaks about it in many of his studies. There seems to have been a lot more craniofacial diversity in crania back then. So in one group you could get people that would classify all over Howells
Salsassin 2 years ago
Don't know. Sunghir still seems to have a leptorhine nose and bridge. The grimaldi skull is complete flat like a khoisan, hence the comparison.
Salsassin 2 years ago
You're right..I was noticing that too. I was noticing that the jaw structure of Sunghir (especially) seemed closer to Bantu types, while the nasal bridge seemed vastly different. As for the nose itself, it is hard to place. It could mean that that was an original Cro Mag element (that evolved in Russia & later contributed to the "Halstatt" characteristics we see nowadays) or it could have evolved in another area.
soundsfromnothing 2 years ago
Yeah, it would be interesting to see the skull in howell's measurements.
Salsassin 2 years ago
Could have been carried or could have been convergent evolution. Remember that the San have changed drastically since the Hofmeyr skull.
Salsassin 2 years ago
Remember that they were isolated from each other for a long period. Especially the Southern San. The more northern KhoiKhoi show more admixture and much closer genetic distances to Bantu populations.
Salsassin 2 years ago
The ancestry isn't that hard to figure out. The genetic variability (greatest in the world) is due to genetic drift.
Salsassin 2 years ago
(continued 2) but that genetic distance doesn´t say that we aren´t from the same mother who birth us both long ago. if you observe Aboriginal Culure same artifacts are found in ancient Africa Central and east region. at last native Americans so far i have discovered come from 5 different populations who doesn´t arrived at the same time however the most recent groups of migrations came from beringia older ones are unknown and not much at every aspect is left about it as i think of absorbation
eradon23 2 years ago
Wrong, same genetics overall. Craniofacial variation occured because of genetic drift.
Salsassin 2 years ago
How are you so sure of that after so many Natives are disapeared after the slaughter brought by Europeans. Then again how are you so sure that the so called mongoloids haven't absorbing others if different scientist has proven there had been more past migrations of populations entering the America's?
eradon23 2 years ago
Simple. Those cranio facial features have survived into the present. Populations like the Botocudo and the Pericu. But their genetics shows an Asian ancestry that matches other natives. Genetic drift accounts for the variation.
Salsassin 2 years ago
What is Negroid? It is an anthropometric term. You means Sub Saharan? Many Sub Saharans like Somalis are seen as Black, but not Negroid. Color but not Craniofacial parameter.
Salsassin 2 years ago
i see about your way of talking you like to slander africans. you forget your people have the same problems as africans today and worse lost a whole continent to foreigners. most of them aren't able to explain their roots because alot is destroyed just like in africa Your people are allowed to move free in a prison called reservation. so everything you know and learn about others or maybe yourself is centered of the whitemen his perspective and opinion. so stop your BS against africa
eradon23 2 years ago
Greg879
I think you take Fantaisy for truce...
Negroid African never master the high sea navigation
Like it or not.
If negroid had master the high sea ...they will had migrated outside of Africa, just like the Caucasoid did.
AztecaQc 2 years ago
AztecaQc, you don't know what the hell your talking about. You are a Mongoloid, which means your from Asia. We were in the America's first. Scientists and the educated world knows, except you. Papyrus and Hieroglyphics are in Mexico and I know you don't think you mofo's did that shit. Olmec statues prove we were here in the Americas'. Your not even a pure blood. You didn't even come into existence until the 1600's. Spaniards killed the indian men, then impregnated the women.
You shouldnt talk
tommy2cy2k 2 years ago
AztecaQc i know you are confused. Africans did migrated outside a long time a go before your people even existed look for example at the Papuans of New Guinea. and observe their culture very good because once your people look like this people, before the arrival of the Mongoloid race in the america's between 8.000-6.000 years ago. what had result in a lot of crossbreeding between the negroids of America. even until today in Africa exsist people very similair with identical cultural traits
eradon23 2 years ago
LOL. THe so called Mongoloid and the Papuans share the same ancestors. Ancestors that Africans do not share. They are closer genetically to each other than to Africans.
Salsassin 2 years ago
wrong Papuans Are way older then the so called Mongoloid populations more then 35.000 years of space before the other even appear
eradon23 2 years ago
Not quite. Papuans and Mongoloids have been in their respective places about the same time. Just different environments influencing their features, Papuans have also changed. They do not look like their forefathers either.
Salsassin 2 years ago
Looks for me more then logical that papuans doesn't look like their forefathers. do you look the same like your mother or father?
eradon23 2 years ago
And yet with constant evolution you still preach a fantasy Negroid race.
Salsassin 2 years ago
Lol you really ignoring the existence of Papuans, San, Djinka, Jarrawara's and a lot of others with the same characteristics and of course variations of that characteristics etc. come back to me when some of them beats you and wake you up from your deep sleep. your brain seem to me very damaged almost beyond repair if you leave more trash like this.
eradon23 2 years ago
Nice try. You look at some superficial characteristics and call them a race. I can point at a ton of other features that show them completely unrelated. Convergent evolution.
You have yet to show they are closer to each other than other populations around the world.
Salsassin 2 years ago
Genetic diffrentiation among populations who where separated so long Ago as Papuans and Africans is understandable after generations have passed. also Genetic diffrentiation also depends on environnement each population live, how long ago a group split of a population to form a new population and what circumstances where at the time after their split off. And we notice at the same time a lot of mutations occurs in both groups.
eradon23 2 years ago
They look different because of time they have been separate. Like any other population.
Salsassin 2 years ago
Salsassin i think you could learn a lot at many aspects from the soundsfromnothing. He sounds far more wiser to me then you ever could imagine. and his claims are valid Too.
eradon23 2 years ago
Well, the Papuan actually group closer genetically & Craniofacially to the Australoids. You are right about the genetic differentation too.
soundsfromnothing 2 years ago
Thank you
eradon23 2 years ago
I garantee you that anyone making these comments in many places would be deported imediatly if they made rascist and hostile accusations against the native population like this publicaly. If you think Islam is so great and tolerant and and super advanced and enlighted way before Europians were then go to Saudi Arabia or even a moderate Islamic country and make statement like these about Arabs and Islam. Try the same thing in China or North Korea, or the Balkans, or a US reservation.
ewhssucks 3 years ago
In many places in East Asia "advanced" industrialized countires still largely consider people who marry foreigners as race trators. People in many "traditional" socities still won't allow imigration because they are afraid it will dilute their cultural and/or racial purity. Todays Europians are facing radical Islam from their own population of immigrants and are so politicaly correct they can barely talk about it.
ewhssucks 3 years ago
Europians and their relitive descendents only even make up fifteen percent of the planets population anyway. So if any one should be considered overly common trash it isn't them. Besides, it's not like were going to find any other society thats betterthan them. China is still heavily rascist and it's own government covertly tries to erradicate the native ugurs and then cover it up. I probably would burn up most of the server space on this site if I wanted to go into the Islamic world problems.
ewhssucks 3 years ago
Then their are the constant posts the use words like ugly, cracker, eurotrash, everytime a white person is mentioned. Europian ethnic groups are all as distinct as any other group on earth and deserve to be respected for their relitive achievments in science, architecture, literature and social studies. Modern Europians don't lack problems of their own and don't deserve to be treated as hemoginous "trash" that has to be disrespected and treated with suspicion.
ewhssucks 3 years ago
If someone wanted to make a documentary about what first nation people experienced from colnialism that would be one thing. But this is total bull. No one who knows anything about how societies have historically colonized each other could say what Europians did to aboriginals was any worse than what other societies have done. The Islamic world virtualy eradicated the native societies of the Middle East and the Near East. Han Chinese butchered non han for centuries to gain territory etc.
ewhssucks 3 years ago
Why'd their baby look Irish?
Steadno 3 years ago
lmao!
Str8mexicaliUSA 3 years ago
I do not think any half smart people wouldn't understand that in the beginning wa black.
The African handprint is imposed or imboised on everything. I Now knw why there is so much racism. Some folks are emotionally moved by the truth.
YoungmillionaireFl 3 years ago
oh also whats up with the main female character being some pale shit cracker LOL
mcb48 3 years ago
Exactly! Why is this woman who's supposed to be of the indigenous people of the "So Called" americas white? I wonder has the director actually seen a real native person before...probably not! She should actually have dark brown reddish tint skin!
SirDoomTheGreat 3 years ago
not all natives have dark brown reddish skin and this comment is coming from someone who lives on a resavation matter fact i let you know which one come visit someday oneida indian res. in oneida ny route 46
princenitty 3 years ago
haha DUMBEST shit i have ever seen, which ever dumb nigga made this video needs his ass beat
mcb48 3 years ago
KKK
missghrim 3 years ago
That was beautiful.
One of the most wonderful stories
we've ever heard of.
ISRAELITECHURCH 3 years ago
I thought those guys where arabs because of a turbin like looking hat :S
Daemien21 4 years ago
If anyone knew anything about history you can go to the pyramids here in America and South America and look at the tombs and find history of the original inhabitants of this land called America, I have been and seen with my eyes what is hidden from us, and what we want learn in school. Stop watching tel-lie-vision and go see the truth for yourself.
angiestone2 4 years ago 3
But the woman thats supposed to be native,is clearly white...why is that? And why is it that when you watch documentaries about ancient Egypt, or the Israelites on the discovery channel the actors & actresses are either Armenian or white? But in the bible its very clear that both these peoples were black.Moses is told to put his hand into his bosom and when he takes it back out, it is LEPROUS (white) as snow. If Moses was already white-skinned, why would God turn him from white to white?
SirDoomTheGreat 4 years ago 5
LOL. More Afrocentric trash. Go to my videos.
Salsassin 4 years ago
How can it be Afrocentric when this story is recorded by a member of the first nation of the americas? You speak to soon, your cover is blown and you are exposed as a hypocrit and a racist! .....Salsassin!
kuonankrma 3 years ago
Agreed that title is perfect for Salsassin. His incompetence shows me he is a filty eurocentric Licebag. A screaming pig who needs to be bashed.
eradon23 2 years ago
Nice try dumb ass. The claim is Afrocentric. That they sold the claim to some Natives makes no difference. Many Natives parroted Eurocentric claims taught to them in the past as well.
Salsassin 2 years ago
No 1 here like to see your Eurocentric Trash. So keep you mouth shut for once and for all Filty Maggot. I suggest to talk with your own Race where you free to speak and your own race is the white/Caucasian race There you belong pendejo. You have nothing common with Africans or other Negroid populations on this planet. maybe this you understand very good. Hijo de puta metete por el culo de de puta madre!!!!!!!!!!!!!
eradon23 2 years ago
tartamudo cojudo. jajajajaja
Salsassin 2 years ago
Everywhere i go on youtube someone has to throw some egyptian bs on a comment. this video has nothing to do with egypt or those dirty ass hamites (egyptians) its about the hebrew tribes of Judah the so called negroes and Gad the so called native americans. take that wicked ass egyptian witch craft back to the place where you found it the toilet.
2NDKINGREBORN 4 years ago