Can anyone provide me with irrefutable evidence that CO2 is a danger or a threat to the Earth's natural balance?
Two billion years ago, oxygen was the most deadly gas on earth.
To imagine we have made a difference in the living cycle or the Earth is Narcissism to the most extreme form. we are outnumbered by most other living organisms hundreds (even millions) of times over. look at the numbers and do some friggin' math folks!
Do the math? Add up the number of carbon spewing devices, not just people and it's real easy to figure out where the problem is. Please join the reality-based world.
I agree that we need a bridge to the energy sources of the future. We have the technology now to power cars on natural gas. Why are we not retooling Detroit to use this alternative cleaner burning energy source. Obama has the car companies there in his back pocket, so why not get it going immediately. I am fully on board with not funding the Saudis and people like Chavez. As for my intel, I get it from a great variety of sources. As to climate change, I doubt man has much impact on it.
by the way; 'leading'.... America will not be leading in renewable energies. They have a delay of at least two decades on the rest of the world in this aspect!!!
Let's remember the usa is almost the only country that did not sign the Kyoto protocol because they werent convinced of the damaging effect of CO2.
Finally things are done under Obama. He is a blessing to the world. He might even sign the kyoto protocol instead of creating an american carbon trade system.. the arrogance some people have in that country makes me obnoxious...
Yea if we wanted to be a Non-Nation like the Netherlands we would join you in your liberal fake science crap. But Americans are not drones to the UN like you and most of the elite in the world. We have no time for the Earth worshipping agenda the "cool nations" have. We have our faith and it isn't in institutions of men.
Obama's done nothing, but claimed credit for everything. Kyoto is a joke and the US should not sign off on it. China and India have no intention of adhering to the edicts of this mandate to reduce CO2, which has not reduced the global temperature which has been getting cooler for the last decade. Global warming is a hoax and the joker in thief is willing to further kill the world's economy for the fringe lunatic left wing. We have enough energy in the US to sustain our economy. Drill Here!
Bush "Tax Tax Tax Tax Tax Tax Tax Tax Tax Tax Tax Tax Tax Tax Tax Tax Tax Tax Tax Tax Tax GIve it to my buddies and to the NWO" Obama "Tax Tax Tax Tax Tax Tax Tax Tax Tax Tax Tax Tax Tax Tax Tax Tax Tax Tax Tax Tax Tax GIve it to my buddies and to the NWO" Change we can believe in!
But he'd read whatever crap was in front of him. Look in your heart. You KNOW that's true!
Wake up America! It cost billions to get this puppet in front of you, the elected president. He's a product! He's telling you something he didn't write, You're in TROUBLE! WAKE UP!
Don't you just think it's just amazing that a study found out that only 6% of all professional scientists in America are Democrat? I do. It shows that these Republican morons don't know what the heck they are talking about. Leave the science to the SCIENTISTS. Conservate paronoia will be the downfall of America. How about if you want to get something done GET EDUCATED FIRST because the average intelligence of a conservative has been proven to be substantially lower than the average liberal.
Another bill nobody read;based on the JUNK SCIENCE lie of Gore and his cronie libs!The earth has actually been cooling since 1999.Thugs in Washington kept the truth hidden and now we have CARBONGATE.....Obama's Watergate.
Do people actually believe him? Geez, they had to bribe the Congress to pass this stupid bill. Toledo got 3.5 billion and I'm sure there were many others. Wake up America...he could care less about any of us. He owes GE favors..after all, they contributed millions to his campaign. It's payback time now. And we are screwed. The cost of a postage stamp a day. That is an absolute lie. And good luck selling your house without solar shingles and green everything. That was the REEP 3 AM amendment.
I've read the bill, if you PM me I'll give you the site but this bill was just tax and government control. This isnt about AJ or the tin foil hat or something, to tell you the truth I still dont get it how we can lived and have electricity with just air and solar energy alone. The bill didnt even mentioned nuclear energy just picture yourself on that because thats what your future will be. Too bad for you our country still using coals and oil for energy
Just think about this. To power just the city of New York you would need 8,800 wind generators, or 13,000 square acres of solar panels. Then where would you put them? Let along the cost to build and maintain then.
Obama I agree we need alternative energy. However, we do not need the government involved and we do not need an imposed hidden tax that will drive up the prices of energy.... when the people are already broke.
Obama is a tyrant in the tradition of George W. Bush but more vile... because he knows how to work the public.
...and the point of my comment i forgot. I want everything he mentioned, but none of that matters, because they snuck in a 1300 page bill at 3am and then gave them 3 hours in the house to debate it. Any bill that is proposed in this way without given sufficient time to be thoroughly read is ludicrous and displays a total lack of respect for the law and the citizens. Anyone who voted for this bill shouldnt be in office.
Bob Goodlotty - republican 6thD Virginia on the house floor.
We republicans and democrats offered over 200 ammendments to try to improve this bill, they made in order 1. In shutting down this democratic process the speaker of the house has taken away the voice of the American people. The simple truth behind this legislation is, it raises taxes, kills jobs, and will lead to more government intrusion. It estimated it will raise
There is a reason the house couldn't read this bill before passing it. Seems like that's the standard in the Obama administration. How is the banker bailout bill working for you people? I thought so...
There is a reason Michael Jackson had more coverage on CSPAN that this bill did. The government does not want you to know what is in the beef...
And FYI Global Warming due to human activity is absolute BS.
You're proving my freaking point. The fact you delcare yourself a democrat makes anything you say moot. You buy into this false left/right paradigm, and that makes you stupid. Sorry to be blunt, but it's true.
I've obviously looked into the pseudo scientific fraud known as man made global warming. Speak for yourself buddy. It's a shame you have to plague these boards with your dense innapropriate opinions. Stop sucking down corn syrup and wake up. This is about taxes, not improving the environment. Anyone who disagrees hasn't educated themselves enoguh to deserve my time. Good by sheeple...
The "institutions" you link to are all funded by the Corporatocracy that mentally manipulates people like you, everyday to help support their control agenda.
It's obvious you haven't even watched the documentary I suggested. It's all there. Granted we need to make environmental changes but this bill is about TAXING YOU. All these changes they want to make can be done WITHOUT taking money out of YOUR pocket. This bill is a total scam. And you're mentally challenged for buying into this crap.
Even more evidence you haven't even tried opening the links. Incase you actually did, you'd find they are all redirection links. Like Tiny URL.
But then again, how can anyone to take you seriously if you won't even attempt to view any evidence that would challenge your fragile perception of reality.
Are you really that much of an intellectual coward?
LOL. I've researched it all my friend. I don't need to link to propoganda. There is no BS you can link me to that I haven't already seen.
Regardless of your ignorant, manipulated opinion, the issue on this forum is the passing of a bill that will TAX YOUR ENTIRE LIFE. CARBON IS GOOD. GOOGLE THE CARBON CYCLE. Your building straw men with those links. Plain and simple.
"I for one get energized when Obama speaks. He is very intelligent and articulate"
It's called mind control. And he isn't intelligent. He is merely reading the teleprompter better than Bush could.
People are for renewable energy. It's the other 99% of the bill that literally makes this the second Patriot Act. This isn't just about renewable energy people.
I never thought Id have this in common with Michelle Obama, but Im not feeling so proud of my country this morning; the painful truth is that every member of Congress was elected by American voters. And now, with lots of assistance from our chosen representatives, were committing societal suicide.
"Yesterday, the House of Representatives passed an historic piece of legislation... which will screw the majority of Americans, and they did it without reading the 1300+ page document released half an hour before the debate."
Do any of you remember the arguments over Acid Rain? What the government did to combat polluters? Same argument from the Right back then.
We didn't lose our manufacturing base to China because of environmental laws. Our corporations went there to exploit the cheap labor market, plain and simple.
The Right is about GREED!
Every argument the Right has, is about their GREED.
They don't care about this country or it's citizens, it's all about more profit.
better to be greedy then base arguments on the fact you are a lazy parasite that is jealous of people who invested in things or have a job. This bill is stealing money that they didnt earn. Its parasitic and regressive to flinstones technology.
wervasdeferens, If you were actually educated you would realize that politics = pro wrestling. It's all a stage to make you idiots think you have freedom of choice. YOU DON'T. The forces behind Obama are radically expanding bills that were passed in the CLINTON AND BUSH eras. THEY ARE THE SAME! Right and Left are the SAME! This bill is about taxing YOU even MORE! They want control of EVERYTHING, even your electric bill. They will CHARGE YOU to modify your housing if they deem it inadequate.
Do you think I don't follow Ron Paul,Peter Schiff,Alex Jones, Zeitgeist, Ring Of Power,the Arrivals, Noam Chomsky,and every other conspiracy theory you can think of?
I also read real books and follow real economists.
Now I'll give you that Obama is a puppet of the FED aka the Illuminati, but if he can spread the little bit of wealth that is leftover after the Zionists take their share, then more power to him.
But If you honestly believe that the Dems vs. Repubs is a Dog and pony show, then you're kidding yourself. Clinton was a corporatist like Reagan and the Bushes.
But if you think Obama,Carter,Kennedy,Roosevelt are of the same philosophy as Nixon,the Bushes, etc, then you're the uneducated one.
You righties make up your mind,either Obama is a radical Socialist or he is a NWO pawn. He can't be both.
hey idiots guess what. There is no such thing as a carbon credit. Carbon credits only can exists in your mind. Like wizards and goblins. This is a scam and i dont understand how it is legal.
Do you realize how much time and money doctors pay to go to medical school? Why would you go to school for 8 years and spend millions if you wont be able to profit on your investment?
not to mention the enormous student loans and insane liability insurance doctors must carry. That is why there is a huge shortage of Physicians. Go to the doctor and you end up with a nurse practitioner because there are not enough doctors to see patients. People are so f***n ignorant.
ethanol is a scam. Creating ethanol uses more energy than it creates. It is 1 step forward and 5 steps back. a waste of resources. These liberal idiots talk about sustainability and crop failure due to salinization and don't realize that crop diversity is being destroyed due to farmers ripping out wheat and other fields to plant corn for profit. to top it all off these liberals complain about food shortages and don't realize this is causing huge shortages in wheat. They are so uneducated.
I can't be 100% sure, but it's my opinion that it's up to the individual representatives and senators to make their own ethical decisions. I don't think it matters which party is in control. The congressmen and women who are fucking us over don't even care about their own party as long as their party keeps getting them elected. I'm sure there are good repubs, dems, and independents, but they never look good in a room filled with the other dickless motherfuckers.
I still think party pressure has a lot to do with it. No matter what the individual does they still have to look good in the eyes of the party. The spending bill passed back in March was clearly a Christmas Present to the Democrats, as well as the Stimulus Package.
causing more pain when people are losing their jobs homes and retirements etc...,. u r an idiot. we are broke, we cant afford this. The poor and middle class just trying to make ends meet today will not be able to afford any of this bill's requirements, this inability to comply will be a civil penalty, do you understand this fact? Homeowners who aren't up to "code" will be deemed "unlawful occupants" of their own home and charged with a crime. stop listening to these idiots & read the bill
when it is over 4$ a gallon it is profitable for the american people... Oil companys are owned by shareholders. A tax isnt profitable for americans. Do you see the diffrence its common knowledge.
Do you understand that while they were making record profits, the price of all goods increased? Do you understand that the transportation industry was put at risk and has yet to recover? Airlines,Trucking,etc.
I own a Trucking Co.,I also own Stocks and Mutual Funds, I've lost money in all of it, sure my Exxon share price went up, but everything else tanked.
How old are you? Because you sound as if you're some teenager who just listens to Rush
A cooperation produces something and it selld it for profit. A carbon credit is nop diffrent then a goblin or a fairy or a hobbit. The government takes money but it dosnt in return give you oil or increase the value of the commodities or cooporations that you own. Its completely diffrent.
The government provides it's citizens with a wide array of services that you probably take for granted. Bombs cost money, freedom isn't free. When you cross a bridge or drive down the "freeway", those things cost money,they aren't free.
When it comes to Healthcare,Military,Law Enforcement, Education,etc. the "free market" doesn't apply.
If your house was on fire, should the FD wait to see if you can afford for them to put the fire out?
This is where property tax and tolls come into play, as well as sales tax etc luxury tax 911 tax on your phone bill etc...... we don't need anymore taxes then we already pay. This is another robbery of the American people.
your anologys are not valid is my point. my analogy of carbon credit= blue dragon wizards is 100% valid however. neither one is real or has any properties in reality only in imagination.
It's funny that when a corporation takes your money that's fine, but if the government takes your money, you gripe.
When you go into starbucks and order coffee and they force you to pay 5 dollars a cup, somehow that is fine, but when the government wants a little of your money to do good, somehow you become greedy.
lies @ 3:25, this guy wouldn't know economics if it hit him in the face. he has squandered almost a trillion dollars already, and hes barely been in office for 1/8 of his term
21st century vision of social control and government domination using energy usage as justification. People will get the idea when they sign a waiting list for a government apartment on the 17th floor with strict electrical limits.
you are stupid americans, i am glad to see you sink, you have a mafia government , your fools, and fools soon part with there money, your leader obama is a popit, your all week fat fools and follow M J and other lies.
If he passes healthcare on top of this Hugo Chevez would be right in Obama is even more radical than he is. This whole thing is built on LIES over 2.5 MILLION jobs lost every year but its ok they will give those workers unemployment..He also lies about bubbles because they are going right back to giving poor people loans on more expensive California building code homes. California building code will be a national law and you cannot sell your old home unless it meets the new code .seller pays!
Hey Jeff, You got that right! Al Gore will become a billionaire due to his dealings with GE. Harrass your senator! Obama is a flip flop lieing no balls president!
The lefty victimhood espousers who hate corporations for profiting and raising the living standards of humanity blindly follow a tyrant who is exactly what they think they are protesting againts. BRAINWASHED. This guy wants power, control, and profit for the few over the many. JUST WHAT THE BLIND FOLLOWERS ACCUSE THE FREE MARKET OF!!!. Holy shit people, we're in for a hell of a half century.
Couldn't agree with you more. The hands and feet of the economy have been tied and now cap and trade will kill it for certain. Competition with India and China was a struggle before and now it is IMPOSSIBLE. Goodbye US dollar.
Can anyone provide me with irrefutable evidence that CO2 is a danger or a threat to the Earth's natural balance?
Two billion years ago, oxygen was the most deadly gas on earth.
To imagine we have made a difference in the living cycle or the Earth is Narcissism to the most extreme form. we are outnumbered by most other living organisms hundreds (even millions) of times over. look at the numbers and do some friggin' math folks!
morse03 2 years ago
Do the math? Add up the number of carbon spewing devices, not just people and it's real easy to figure out where the problem is. Please join the reality-based world.
UpTakeVideo 2 years ago
I agree that we need a bridge to the energy sources of the future. We have the technology now to power cars on natural gas. Why are we not retooling Detroit to use this alternative cleaner burning energy source. Obama has the car companies there in his back pocket, so why not get it going immediately. I am fully on board with not funding the Saudis and people like Chavez. As for my intel, I get it from a great variety of sources. As to climate change, I doubt man has much impact on it.
play36inaday 2 years ago
by the way; 'leading'.... America will not be leading in renewable energies. They have a delay of at least two decades on the rest of the world in this aspect!!!
tiestiestiesties 2 years ago
Let's remember the usa is almost the only country that did not sign the Kyoto protocol because they werent convinced of the damaging effect of CO2.
Finally things are done under Obama. He is a blessing to the world. He might even sign the kyoto protocol instead of creating an american carbon trade system.. the arrogance some people have in that country makes me obnoxious...
Greetings from The Netherlands
tiestiestiesties 2 years ago
Yea if we wanted to be a Non-Nation like the Netherlands we would join you in your liberal fake science crap. But Americans are not drones to the UN like you and most of the elite in the world. We have no time for the Earth worshipping agenda the "cool nations" have. We have our faith and it isn't in institutions of men.
quickboat22 2 years ago
Obama's done nothing, but claimed credit for everything. Kyoto is a joke and the US should not sign off on it. China and India have no intention of adhering to the edicts of this mandate to reduce CO2, which has not reduced the global temperature which has been getting cooler for the last decade. Global warming is a hoax and the joker in thief is willing to further kill the world's economy for the fringe lunatic left wing. We have enough energy in the US to sustain our economy. Drill Here!
dgray72 2 years ago
endisnighe 2 years ago
I think Youtube is afraid of the Obama Squad coming in.... they keep deleteing the TRUTH behind the LIES of Obama!
unexplored13 2 years ago
this is a JOBS bill. But not the creation of jobs. 1400 created jobs don't replace the hundreds of 1000's that are gonna be lost with cap and trade.
play36inaday 2 years ago
He is reading this speech.
He didn't write it. He reads well.
But he'd read whatever crap was in front of him. Look in your heart. You KNOW that's true!
Wake up America! It cost billions to get this puppet in front of you, the elected president. He's a product! He's telling you something he didn't write, You're in TROUBLE! WAKE UP!
OzzyPatriot 2 years ago
The energy bill that passed the house will cause the next depression and give this little prick the total government control he wants.
sshimp6 2 years ago
I hate America,
they allways think they the biggest but the presidents cant run shit.
Every time America comes with a solution,
Europe crumbles down.
America need to stop playin worldheroes and starting war everywhere because they cant even run their our country,
Im tired of all that president nice talk,
cause i dont see good improvement
FreshPrinceChoco 2 years ago
Fuck off and die
sshimp6 2 years ago
Don't you just think it's just amazing that a study found out that only 6% of all professional scientists in America are Democrat? I do. It shows that these Republican morons don't know what the heck they are talking about. Leave the science to the SCIENTISTS. Conservate paronoia will be the downfall of America. How about if you want to get something done GET EDUCATED FIRST because the average intelligence of a conservative has been proven to be substantially lower than the average liberal.
GonzoTheGreat3000 2 years ago
hopefully the us government will cripple itself and eventually collapse like every other failed empire.
wait887 2 years ago
Another bill nobody read;based on the JUNK SCIENCE lie of Gore and his cronie libs!The earth has actually been cooling since 1999.Thugs in Washington kept the truth hidden and now we have CARBONGATE.....Obama's Watergate.
Write to your senators and ask them to vote NO!
georgie1 2 years ago
Do people actually believe him? Geez, they had to bribe the Congress to pass this stupid bill. Toledo got 3.5 billion and I'm sure there were many others. Wake up America...he could care less about any of us. He owes GE favors..after all, they contributed millions to his campaign. It's payback time now. And we are screwed. The cost of a postage stamp a day. That is an absolute lie. And good luck selling your house without solar shingles and green everything. That was the REEP 3 AM amendment.
joedayton1448 2 years ago 2
Historic beginning of the end.
America, man are you in for it!
was4obama 2 years ago
I've read the bill, if you PM me I'll give you the site but this bill was just tax and government control. This isnt about AJ or the tin foil hat or something, to tell you the truth I still dont get it how we can lived and have electricity with just air and solar energy alone. The bill didnt even mentioned nuclear energy just picture yourself on that because thats what your future will be. Too bad for you our country still using coals and oil for energy
yushire 2 years ago
Just think about this. To power just the city of New York you would need 8,800 wind generators, or 13,000 square acres of solar panels. Then where would you put them? Let along the cost to build and maintain then.
ClassicFIHD 2 years ago
Just watch.. this will be one of those moments in history that looking back will be a HUGE win for the American people.
Right now, there are a LOT of vested interests spreading lies about this bill. Just wait and see..:)
Finally something semi-decent out of the Obama Admin.
PierreElliottTrudeau 2 years ago 2
Obama I agree we need alternative energy. However, we do not need the government involved and we do not need an imposed hidden tax that will drive up the prices of energy.... when the people are already broke.
Obama is a tyrant in the tradition of George W. Bush but more vile... because he knows how to work the public.
michaelchainsaw 2 years ago
2:47 - that's all you are... no longer a citizen, but a "consumer" - goodbye country, hello company.
PassionOfGeist 2 years ago
Calling this job creating legislation is like saying Africans migrated to the early American colonies as a result of job creating legislation.
bootlegpreacher 2 years ago
It certainly was an economic boom! I'm just sayin'.
bootlegpreacher 2 years ago
I want everything he mentioned and more, aside from wind ans solar "plants". Wind and solar is too expensive to replace an entire grid.
AttunedFlux 2 years ago
...and the point of my comment i forgot. I want everything he mentioned, but none of that matters, because they snuck in a 1300 page bill at 3am and then gave them 3 hours in the house to debate it. Any bill that is proposed in this way without given sufficient time to be thoroughly read is ludicrous and displays a total lack of respect for the law and the citizens. Anyone who voted for this bill shouldnt be in office.
AttunedFlux 2 years ago
You want to get off of foriegn oil.. start drilling at home again... this is bullshit
clayguy1 2 years ago
Please youtube search
"Al Gore Slammed By Congress!"
makoeyes21 2 years ago
Bob Goodlotty - republican 6thD Virginia on the house floor.
We republicans and democrats offered over 200 ammendments to try to improve this bill, they made in order 1. In shutting down this democratic process the speaker of the house has taken away the voice of the American people. The simple truth behind this legislation is, it raises taxes, kills jobs, and will lead to more government intrusion. It estimated it will raise
Electric rates - 90%
Gas prices - 74%
Natural Gas prices - 55%
makoeyes21 2 years ago
Those estimates are from The Heritage foundation and they're for the year 2035.
You people make me sick with your ignorant blind following of the right wing spin machine.
Do some research on the Heritage Foundation and their agenda.
What happens if ,because of this bill, energy demand decreases,supply increases and by 2025, our power grid is 30% renewables. Huh?
Anybody can play the "what if" game.
Do your part, stop wasting electricity posting right wing nonsense.
wervasdeferens 2 years ago
There is a reason the house couldn't read this bill before passing it. Seems like that's the standard in the Obama administration. How is the banker bailout bill working for you people? I thought so...
There is a reason Michael Jackson had more coverage on CSPAN that this bill did. The government does not want you to know what is in the beef...
And FYI Global Warming due to human activity is absolute BS.
google
"The Great Global Warming Swindle"
makoeyes21 2 years ago
"There is a reason the house couldn't read this bill before passing it"--makoeyes21
The staffers read the bills, the actual Congress people hardly ever read an entire bill.
Why don't you google the passage of The Patriot Act, or Tom Delay's midnight arm twisting and sneaking bills through?
Do yourself a favor,
Just say no, to kool-aid.
wervasdeferens 2 years ago
What the hell are you talking about....
You're proving my freaking point. The fact you delcare yourself a democrat makes anything you say moot. You buy into this false left/right paradigm, and that makes you stupid. Sorry to be blunt, but it's true.
makoeyes21 2 years ago 2
When did I say I was a Democrat?
The fact that you used the term "left/right paradigm" means you follow Alex Jones.
He's your Shepard.
You posted some BS from the Heritage Foundation. Then you post more BS about the carbon cycle.
So do you believe oil and coal are abundant infinite resources? Do you believe that the usage of fossil fuels doesn't harm the atmosphere?
Alex made "The Obama Deception" before Obama even took office.
Google- left/right paradigm and prisonplanet is #1.
Baaa
wervasdeferens 2 years ago
re: makoeyes21
=="The Great Global Warming Swindle"==
Please don't tell me that you're really that naive?
greyfalcon. net/ climate
greyfalcon. net/ swindle
greyflcn 2 years ago
Are you serious? You are naive, buddy.
makoeyes21 2 years ago
re: makoeyes21
Serious? Why yes.
What gets me though is that it's pretty obvious you haven't even opened the links I posted.
Just covering your ears and eyes to anything that might challenge your perception.
greyfalcon. net/ ideology.png
greyflcn 2 years ago
I've obviously looked into the pseudo scientific fraud known as man made global warming. Speak for yourself buddy. It's a shame you have to plague these boards with your dense innapropriate opinions. Stop sucking down corn syrup and wake up. This is about taxes, not improving the environment. Anyone who disagrees hasn't educated themselves enoguh to deserve my time. Good by sheeple...
makoeyes21 2 years ago
re: makoeyes21
Well then, would you perhaps care to explain this?
greyfalcon. net/ solar0.png
Also if your position was so much based on "Science" then why is it that there are no scientific institutions anywhere in the world that support it?
greyfalcon. net/ nameone
greyfalcon. net/ whatwouldittake
What you're basically saying is that the Science is automatically invalid, because it doesn't match your political ideology. That's childish.
greyfalcon. net/ gingrich2
greyflcn 2 years ago
The "institutions" you link to are all funded by the Corporatocracy that mentally manipulates people like you, everyday to help support their control agenda.
It's obvious you haven't even watched the documentary I suggested. It's all there. Granted we need to make environmental changes but this bill is about TAXING YOU. All these changes they want to make can be done WITHOUT taking money out of YOUR pocket. This bill is a total scam. And you're mentally challenged for buying into this crap.
makoeyes21 2 years ago
Mako,
Here's a 100 page PDF, showing every excruciating detail about that documentary, line by line.
greyfalcon. net/ swindle
And here's a summary
greyfalcon. net/ swindle3
Here's an interview series
greyfalcon. net/ durkin
I more than aware of every detail of that film. And it's full of false and fabricated data.
But you on the other hand, won't even look at the counterclaims.
greyflcn 2 years ago
I don't need to research this matter any further. Apparently you do.
P.S. Try linking to a legit site that isn't yours....
makoeyes21 2 years ago
Mako,
Even more evidence you haven't even tried opening the links. Incase you actually did, you'd find they are all redirection links. Like Tiny URL.
But then again, how can anyone to take you seriously if you won't even attempt to view any evidence that would challenge your fragile perception of reality.
Are you really that much of an intellectual coward?
greyflcn 2 years ago
LOL. I've researched it all my friend. I don't need to link to propoganda. There is no BS you can link me to that I haven't already seen.
Regardless of your ignorant, manipulated opinion, the issue on this forum is the passing of a bill that will TAX YOUR ENTIRE LIFE. CARBON IS GOOD. GOOGLE THE CARBON CYCLE. Your building straw men with those links. Plain and simple.
Are you really that intellectually impaired?
makoeyes21 2 years ago
re: makoeyes21
And yet you STILL haven't even attempted to look at the evidence.
Ah well, guess there's not much reason to talk reason with an Alex Jones fan.
No amount of evidence can shake your conspiracy theories.
Enjoy your tinfoil hat :)
greyfalcon. net/ alexjones
greyflcn 2 years ago
"I for one get energized when Obama speaks. He is very intelligent and articulate"
It's called mind control. And he isn't intelligent. He is merely reading the teleprompter better than Bush could.
People are for renewable energy. It's the other 99% of the bill that literally makes this the second Patriot Act. This isn't just about renewable energy people.
makoeyes21 2 years ago
BlaH o_0
AstoundedAtheist 2 years ago
Wow there is a lot of negative comments here.
I for one get energized when Obama speaks. He is very intelligent and articulate. What idiots wouldn't be for clean renewable energy?
My home runs on solar energy and I don't have an electric bill. It's absolutely beautiful and works perfect.
Good job Mr. Obama. Finally someone in power is stepping up to the plate on clean energy.
itsrickinaz 2 years ago
The ones who are worried about EVERYTHING else in this bill.
I have a wonderful solar set up it is great but people cannot afford this right now. Let us recover first. Bigger fish to fry right now.
Needleheadnumb 2 years ago
why so many negative comments about this?
p.s. I hate freedom...
neverine2000 2 years ago
I never thought Id have this in common with Michelle Obama, but Im not feeling so proud of my country this morning; the painful truth is that every member of Congress was elected by American voters. And now, with lots of assistance from our chosen representatives, were committing societal suicide.
dkkght46 2 years ago 2
OBAMA CRAP.......
silentonall 2 years ago
"Yesterday, the House of Representatives passed an historic piece of legislation... which will screw the majority of Americans, and they did it without reading the 1300+ page document released half an hour before the debate."
tsenzei 2 years ago
Do any of you remember the arguments over Acid Rain? What the government did to combat polluters? Same argument from the Right back then.
We didn't lose our manufacturing base to China because of environmental laws. Our corporations went there to exploit the cheap labor market, plain and simple.
The Right is about GREED!
Every argument the Right has, is about their GREED.
They don't care about this country or it's citizens, it's all about more profit.
wervasdeferens 2 years ago
better to be greedy then base arguments on the fact you are a lazy parasite that is jealous of people who invested in things or have a job. This bill is stealing money that they didnt earn. Its parasitic and regressive to flinstones technology.
AEVautomatic 2 years ago 5
AEVautomatic ,
So all Liberals are either lazy,parasitic, welfare recipients or rich Hollywood types or East Coast, Ivy League latte sippers?
Why did you label me the first of the three?
Granted, to me, all right wingers are either the rich fat cat CEOs or the dumb ass ignorant southerners who buy into what the fat cats sell them.
I'm guessing you're not a rich CEO, just guessing.
wervasdeferens 2 years ago
regardless jealous emotional appeals are worthless might as well give up on that.
AEVautomatic 2 years ago
AEVautomatic,
I watched that video of Warren Buffet from your channel.
Like I've been saying here, the cost will get passed on to the consumer.
What I don't understand is that instead of taking on the polluters, the Utility Companies, "The Enrons".
The Right chooses to bitch about the government taking them on. The govt is not forcing them to pass on the costs, corporate greed does.
wervasdeferens 2 years ago
wervasdeferens, If you were actually educated you would realize that politics = pro wrestling. It's all a stage to make you idiots think you have freedom of choice. YOU DON'T. The forces behind Obama are radically expanding bills that were passed in the CLINTON AND BUSH eras. THEY ARE THE SAME! Right and Left are the SAME! This bill is about taxing YOU even MORE! They want control of EVERYTHING, even your electric bill. They will CHARGE YOU to modify your housing if they deem it inadequate.
makoeyes21 2 years ago 2
makoeyes21,
Do you think I don't follow Ron Paul,Peter Schiff,Alex Jones, Zeitgeist, Ring Of Power,the Arrivals, Noam Chomsky,and every other conspiracy theory you can think of?
I also read real books and follow real economists.
Now I'll give you that Obama is a puppet of the FED aka the Illuminati, but if he can spread the little bit of wealth that is leftover after the Zionists take their share, then more power to him.
wervasdeferens 2 years ago
The FED runs the show, that's a given.
But If you honestly believe that the Dems vs. Repubs is a Dog and pony show, then you're kidding yourself. Clinton was a corporatist like Reagan and the Bushes.
But if you think Obama,Carter,Kennedy,Roosevelt are of the same philosophy as Nixon,the Bushes, etc, then you're the uneducated one.
You righties make up your mind,either Obama is a radical Socialist or he is a NWO pawn. He can't be both.
The Bushes were NWO, did you bitch about them?
wervasdeferens 2 years ago
They are dramatically increasing your taxes people! This has nothing to do with renewable energy. It is a DIRECT TAX TO THE WORLD BANK!
makoeyes21 2 years ago
hey idiots guess what. There is no such thing as a carbon credit. Carbon credits only can exists in your mind. Like wizards and goblins. This is a scam and i dont understand how it is legal.
AEVautomatic 2 years ago
Some of you obviously need to turn off the right wing corporate shill machine.
All of the Assholes who robbed this country blind ,over the last 30 years, are now kicking and screaming.
CEO's,Doctors,Hedgefund managers, etc, are all crying bloody murder, because Obama and the Dems are trying to spread the wealth to more Americans.
They're trying to lay a foundation for a more equitable and efficient future.
While the "have mores" cry about their million$, you debt slaves cry for them too.
wervasdeferens 2 years ago
"Spread the wealth to more Americans"?
How does a tax on energy accomplish this?
ImTheRiffRaff 2 years ago
By shifting our energy consumption from carbon based to renewables. That's what it's all about. Will it be a painful transition?
Probably, but in the long run, the majority of Americans and the environment win.
After the initial capital outlay, The Wind And the Sun will cost less to use than Oil and Coal.
Of Course, it won't be as profitable for the energy companies, so that's why they and their surrogates(the GOP) cry.
Don't blame Obama for corporations passing the buck/bill to consumers
wervasdeferens 2 years ago
The environment won't win. Companies with high CO2 emissions will simply move overseas and take jobs with them.
ImTheRiffRaff 2 years ago
Good riddance, LOL.
The main ones affected are Coal powered electric plants,let them move to China. They'll be replaced by Natural Gas plants.
A Doctor called in to Laura Ingraham and complained about losing $, if healthcare reform passes. The guy said his after tax income was $650,000/yr.
He simply can not live on $600,000/yr.,BOOHOO.
These are the Patriots,the Christians?
If I can't rape you legally, then I'll move to a country that allows me to rape, is that their posistion?
wervasdeferens 2 years ago
Do you realize how much time and money doctors pay to go to medical school? Why would you go to school for 8 years and spend millions if you wont be able to profit on your investment?
AEVautomatic 2 years ago
AEVautomatic,
I don't care where you live in America, the Doctors will be among the wealthiest people in the community. Right?
No one is proposing they get paid like a garbage man, but at what point do you stop bleeding your fellow Americans dry?
wervasdeferens 2 years ago
I have to agree with you. Doctors should be capped at a pay of 250,000 even if they owe 400,000 in student loans.
panther9mm 2 years ago
not to mention the enormous student loans and insane liability insurance doctors must carry. That is why there is a huge shortage of Physicians. Go to the doctor and you end up with a nurse practitioner because there are not enough doctors to see patients. People are so f***n ignorant.
aaeoni 2 years ago
Guess you do not know 1 tank of gas in an SUV could feed a third world family one whole year from the corn it takes to make renewable fuel.
ClassicFIHD 2 years ago
ethanol is a scam. Creating ethanol uses more energy than it creates. It is 1 step forward and 5 steps back. a waste of resources. These liberal idiots talk about sustainability and crop failure due to salinization and don't realize that crop diversity is being destroyed due to farmers ripping out wheat and other fields to plant corn for profit. to top it all off these liberals complain about food shortages and don't realize this is causing huge shortages in wheat. They are so uneducated.
aaeoni 2 years ago
So true, but the democrats in power could care less as long as their pockets get lined.
ClassicFIHD 2 years ago
as well as the republicans
DBVPSlayer 2 years ago
True, but i still think the democrats have more of an edge on that market. Especially since the republicans have no power at all right now.
ClassicFIHD 2 years ago
I can't be 100% sure, but it's my opinion that it's up to the individual representatives and senators to make their own ethical decisions. I don't think it matters which party is in control. The congressmen and women who are fucking us over don't even care about their own party as long as their party keeps getting them elected. I'm sure there are good repubs, dems, and independents, but they never look good in a room filled with the other dickless motherfuckers.
I have anger issues
DBVPSlayer 2 years ago
I still think party pressure has a lot to do with it. No matter what the individual does they still have to look good in the eyes of the party. The spending bill passed back in March was clearly a Christmas Present to the Democrats, as well as the Stimulus Package.
ClassicFIHD 2 years ago
causing more pain when people are losing their jobs homes and retirements etc...,. u r an idiot. we are broke, we cant afford this. The poor and middle class just trying to make ends meet today will not be able to afford any of this bill's requirements, this inability to comply will be a civil penalty, do you understand this fact? Homeowners who aren't up to "code" will be deemed "unlawful occupants" of their own home and charged with a crime. stop listening to these idiots & read the bill
aaeoni 2 years ago
how is increasing everyones energy bill spreading the wealth to anyone other then government employees?
AEVautomatic 2 years ago
This energy bill is just one part of the overall reform.
Were any of you complaining when gas was over $4/gal? Did you complain about the record oil company profits?
It's funny that when a corporation takes your money that's fine, but if the government takes your money, you gripe.
Lee Raymond got a $400 million bonus when gas went up, let's see what kind of bonus Obama gets.
Anyway, who is saying everyone will pay for this? The CBO?
The CEO's will pass the Tax on to consumers. AND?
wervasdeferens 2 years ago
when it is over 4$ a gallon it is profitable for the american people... Oil companys are owned by shareholders. A tax isnt profitable for americans. Do you see the diffrence its common knowledge.
AEVautomatic 2 years ago
" Oil companys are owned by shareholders."-AEV
Do you understand that while they were making record profits, the price of all goods increased? Do you understand that the transportation industry was put at risk and has yet to recover? Airlines,Trucking,etc.
I own a Trucking Co.,I also own Stocks and Mutual Funds, I've lost money in all of it, sure my Exxon share price went up, but everything else tanked.
How old are you? Because you sound as if you're some teenager who just listens to Rush
wervasdeferens 2 years ago
A cooperation produces something and it selld it for profit. A carbon credit is nop diffrent then a goblin or a fairy or a hobbit. The government takes money but it dosnt in return give you oil or increase the value of the commodities or cooporations that you own. Its completely diffrent.
AEVautomatic 2 years ago
The government provides it's citizens with a wide array of services that you probably take for granted. Bombs cost money, freedom isn't free. When you cross a bridge or drive down the "freeway", those things cost money,they aren't free.
When it comes to Healthcare,Military,Law Enforcement, Education,etc. the "free market" doesn't apply.
If your house was on fire, should the FD wait to see if you can afford for them to put the fire out?
wervasdeferens 2 years ago
This is where property tax and tolls come into play, as well as sales tax etc luxury tax 911 tax on your phone bill etc...... we don't need anymore taxes then we already pay. This is another robbery of the American people.
aaeoni 2 years ago
if i buy a barrel of oil for 150$ is diffent then if i buy a barrel of oil for 60$ and also have to buy 40$ worth of magic beans.
AEVautomatic 2 years ago
Do you fully understand the Trade part of "Cap and Trade"?
Carbon credits, Carbon Offsets?
Explain how it will not work or how a polluter can get into compliance.
The "Glenn Becks" would have you to believe that the government will now tax everyone for simply breathing.
Is that what you also believe?
wervasdeferens 2 years ago
your anologys are not valid is my point. my analogy of carbon credit= blue dragon wizards is 100% valid however. neither one is real or has any properties in reality only in imagination.
AEVautomatic 2 years ago
It's funny that when a corporation takes your money that's fine, but if the government takes your money, you gripe.
When you go into starbucks and order coffee and they force you to pay 5 dollars a cup, somehow that is fine, but when the government wants a little of your money to do good, somehow you become greedy.
panther9mm 2 years ago
lies @ 3:25, this guy wouldn't know economics if it hit him in the face. he has squandered almost a trillion dollars already, and hes barely been in office for 1/8 of his term
agirlonacomputer 2 years ago 3
a trillion? The fed has probably around 30 trillion dollars that are simply unaccountable since he has taken office...
Bank bailouts equate to $200,000 per taxpayer atm. Wake up or enjoy eternal servitude.
makoeyes21 2 years ago
where did you get your numbers from?
agirlonacomputer 2 years ago
"Lies @ 3:25" well jeah, it's obama.
Can anyone fill out this comment correctly?
"Doesn't lie @ x:xx"
cnonyt 2 years ago
21st century vision of social control and government domination using energy usage as justification. People will get the idea when they sign a waiting list for a government apartment on the 17th floor with strict electrical limits.
33115566 2 years ago
you are stupid americans, i am glad to see you sink, you have a mafia government , your fools, and fools soon part with there money, your leader obama is a popit, your all week fat fools and follow M J and other lies.
dualaroma 2 years ago
This guy is a piece of crap. Man, and I thought Bush was bad!
wintersdemise 2 years ago 4
lying through his teeth.
cv1122 2 years ago
This bill is only historic in that it shows how little backbone our representatives have on this issue. They sold out to big coal on this.
gamoonbat 2 years ago 3
tyranny , WAKE UP. NWO IS HERE. God help u.s. alex jones info wars . com
pullpdog 2 years ago 3
This guy is crazy, I'm totally convinced now.
I'm supposed believe this politician? OMG, were so fucking screwed.
chewbaca1989 2 years ago 2
Wine grapes grew in Denmark hundreds of years ago.
CLIMATE CHANGE FACT OF LIFE.
CARBON TAX A FRAUD.
chewbaca1989 2 years ago
We could get clean air if we got all these crooks who voted for it out of office. They are so full of shit, the methane is unbearable.
harlyd007 2 years ago 3
Why do we even listen to politicians?
Every sentence is a cleverly constructed half-truth. Dubya couldn't have done it better. The New World Order advances in lockstep.
Freedoms you used to have you will have no more, and more of your earnings will go to feed Leviathan.
The new boss is clearly very much better than the old boss. I almost wish we had gotten McCain now. God help us all.
sdkee 2 years ago
urkel is lying again.
CLONG3 2 years ago
If he passes healthcare on top of this Hugo Chevez would be right in Obama is even more radical than he is. This whole thing is built on LIES over 2.5 MILLION jobs lost every year but its ok they will give those workers unemployment..He also lies about bubbles because they are going right back to giving poor people loans on more expensive California building code homes. California building code will be a national law and you cannot sell your old home unless it meets the new code .seller pays!
tubaboy71 2 years ago
Congratulations to you fucking sheep who follow this man. You are brainwashed.
jeffdtmpls 2 years ago 3
Hey Jeff, You got that right! Al Gore will become a billionaire due to his dealings with GE. Harrass your senator! Obama is a flip flop lieing no balls president!
harlyd007 2 years ago 3
The lefty victimhood espousers who hate corporations for profiting and raising the living standards of humanity blindly follow a tyrant who is exactly what they think they are protesting againts. BRAINWASHED. This guy wants power, control, and profit for the few over the many. JUST WHAT THE BLIND FOLLOWERS ACCUSE THE FREE MARKET OF!!!. Holy shit people, we're in for a hell of a half century.
jeffdtmpls 2 years ago
Couldn't agree with you more. The hands and feet of the economy have been tied and now cap and trade will kill it for certain. Competition with India and China was a struggle before and now it is IMPOSSIBLE. Goodbye US dollar.
JMehrman 2 years ago 3
this only means a new tax on everysingle aspect of life
what a scam
gensoholicar 2 years ago 3