UFO Propulsion? Ion Wind Device

[HorizonDelta]

Kool !

[TheEamonn26]

This combined with nano energy would be pretty freaking cool... Youtube search Justin Hall Tipping!!!!!

[kenfo0]

Ion wind? that's what I call it when I "pass gas". 

[pyroboy08]

the truth is that this technology is useless. For it to be useful it must produce enough thrust to carry its own power supply along with useful load.

[MrAwsome514]

@pyroboy08 Well that is not entirely true... we do have a handfull of methods for transmitting electricity wirelessly so the power supply technically does nto have to be mounted to the device. Nicola Tesla was able to power a light bulb with a very large Tesla coil up to a couple of miles away. He developed it to replace power lines but the idea was scrapped because the useage could not be metered. The real problem though is you can run 10 electric motors with fans on them at the same wattage...

[W33DKingCA]

this is only a propulsion device for use in atmosphere

[LeagueOfMorons]

Now... How much voltage is needed? Would having a higher voltage, more of a "base," or layering that platform give a higher thrust? If not, what would...?

[walynn2]

He is not the inventor. The Lifter uses the Biefeld-Brown effect discovered by Thomas Townsend Brown in 1928. This was a bit before this guy was even born.

One of my sons and I built a bunch of these in my garage. it was a lot of fun making them fly. That was about 6 years ago.

And as someone else said earlier, this was done on myth busters and they put it in a vacuum chamber, to my surprise, it wont fly in a vacuum. So, it wont work in space where there's no oxygen to make ozone.

[highvoltagefeathers]

it is as much anti-gravity as my chair the chair im sitting in. it is using newton's laws to outmatch to downward pull of gravity.

[alienpatentoffice]

We started to run trembling in fear, I look up it was still there. I look to where I was running, then look up. Its gone. It just pop out to another dimension.

[alienpatentoffice]

This also explains their warp move. I've seen the mothership do a warp move. I've also seen the disk shape one & it even stop on top of me & my friends. It was beautiful. No sound, No wind, No wind turbulence. It was covered with mist. It has halos of different colors pulsating. Then the sound of like a thousand distant thunders, then the sound of loud ac humming, then a ray of light found us & hit us. We were unable to move. Four hours later we found ourselves able to move. It was still above.

[coldarc]

@alienpatentoffice no no and no. ufos does not use ion wind as the ion wind craft constantainly need and energy transfer to work. true anti-gravity is gravity. there are many ways to create energy containment as force of gravity.

i name two. the first is the most basic one, it uses ultrasonic waves pulsed feeing the mass with energy conserved as force. the second type is the same thing but by using an mangetic field pulsed as a wave to create gravitational force in a mass. energy is not fields.

[coldarc]

@alienpatentoffice sorry for the spell errors.

[alienpatentoffice]

You know what I seriously think about ufo. Because of the flight fingerprint, I believe they are able to defy our law of physics because they are navigating near our dimension but not entirely on our dimension. The manifestation we see are harmonics radiated in our dimension. They are slightly in our dimension but not totally. This I think gives them to pop in and out of our dimension as well as defy our law of physics. Also gives them time to react to every hostile moves on our part.

[VirtuosoX1]

when you really make a ion propulsion device, then re-post on youtube, in the meantime gtfo. this is EMF propulsion dumbasses

[Beamshipcaptain]

THis functions more efficiently in vacuum, as tested since the 1940s to today. It also functions under oil, which also does not ionise. Ion wind has an upper limit in air, and is insufficient a force to loft even a 5-gram model, yet models hundreds of grams to kilograms have been lofted, all over the world. We shall not be controlled any longer. We are free-thinkers, thinking outside the box of calcified dogma.

[xm422]

myth busters are not gods.. they aren't even scientists and do not know how this works. everyone plz stop taking the mythbusters word as something absolute. there is a reason why this technology is still being explored. and its nothing like a helicopter

[zimmond]

tim ventura is not the inventor

[arshdeep125]

First off, Comparing Ion Wind propulsion with High Voltage Electromagnetic propulsion systems, is like comparing a Hot Air Balloon with a surface to air missile.

Ion Wind is extremely poisonous, TriOxygen (Ozone) This is extremely enviromentally unstable and not very reliable, Because the electrons moving around the copper wire will only super heat the metal to its melting point, thus creating a craft that is extremely inefficient. lots of voltage being used.

[alienpatentoffice]

It might interest you to know that there is no wind and turbulence underneath a real ufo. Also a real ufo doesn't wobble as it would with this ion propulsion when it hovers. I would also like to add that theres is no engine sound.

[Beamshipcaptain]

@alienpatentoffice My Beamships have no sound either, and John Fiala has flown them in vacuum, and with a battery-powered onboard HV-unit.

[MrAwsome514]

Lets make this simple... I have a document which I aquired directly from NASA which details all of NASA's experimentation on lifters and other asymmetrical capacitors. In this document it clearly states that all experiments perfromed lead them to conclude that the ion wind effect accounts for 100% of the thrust observed and that there is no other force present. Put simply there is no antigravity, artificial gravity, or gravity modification.

[ELITEARKANGELShinod1]

the only reason y ppl want to disprove this is because its easy to make, talking physics u'll see evrything is related, the world does not think a normal (not scientist nor physicist) person can creat something dat can revolutionise the way we think, it has 2 b done by som1 with a "high IQ", da rite bros created da 1st airplane, but davinchi told dem how.

[1piecemage]

aleminium? i think he means aluminum

[ConnorXV]

Anti gravity is defined as levitation without propulsion still under the influence of a gravitational field, this uses thrust and can't be defined so.

[TheUFOeffect]

Biefeld-Brown was able to produce antigravity and ion wind. he knew it created ion wind but he also knew it wasnt powerfull enough to lift the craft as high as he got it. he used the the ion wind to his advantage and used it as propulsion.

[SASNIGHTCRAWLER]

I have a space ship living up my fucking arse....

[JonDeth]

This thing has been around for 60 something years

[SSUnitedStates52]

If you put your hand under it would you feel a breeze?

[nitroaztecgold]

@SSUnitedStates52 yes



[Beamshipcaptain]

They had no Beamship from the Pleiades, and no experiment conducted by an indigo child. There are no references. You do not know what you are talking about, impersonator. For the last time, what is Russell Anderson's middle name? You cannot answer, becaus you are not Russell Anderson, I AM, and you are committing the sin of impersonation. Have you no shame?

[Beamshipcaptain]

These are historical facts,and you are a shill, and impersonator. Read the book by the late Dr, Schaffranke- ETHER-TECHNOLOGY: A Rational Approach to Gravity Control (Adventures Unlimited Press).

[Beamshipcaptain]

No, you dont. You multiple bogus impersonating accounts are all bogus. You are living in a dream-world of unreality, with untreated psychosis. And it's clear you suffer from very low self-esteem. Anyone who behaves and talks as you do, clearly has issues, and is a Borderline personality.

[BeamshipFrankenstein]

Look, don't sweat it, your problems are nothing compared to mine. My god, every night the villagers are out in front of my castle with the torches and pitchforks and whatever screaming for my blood. At least you have Searl. Who do I have? Igor. Believe me, he's not the brightest mind to bounce ideas of off. Anything I say he only replies, 'yes master' or 'no master'. I doubt he even knows what a website is. Hang in there, ace. Things'll look up soon, you'll see.

[Beamshipcaptain]

Begone, impersonator. You are certifiable, and you are fooling no one who is discerning.

[Beamshipcaptain]

I gave several examples of gravity-control. Please read ETHER TECHNOLOOGY: A Rational Approach to Gravity Control (1977-78), by Rho Sigma (the Late Dr. Rolf Schaffranke of Huntsville, Albama). Dr. Schaffranke was one of the original OPERATION PAPERCLIP scientists of 1946.

[Beamshipcaptain]

They do work in vacuum, as Purdue University, and the Inverntor, Thomas Townsend Brown proved 50-years ago. William B Stein, "Electrokinetic Propulsion: The Ionic Wind Argument," Purdue University Energy Conversion Lab, Hangar #3, Purdue Airport, West Lafayette, IN 47906, Sept, 5, 2000. Go check it out.

[QuantumCarl]

Who the hell even are you?

[QuantumCarl]

"apparently, you AREN'T even a REAL captain."

XD

Oh, that was actually funny!

[QuantumCarl]

Douchebag. :/

[Beamshipcaptain]

TheBeamshipCaptain, you identity-thief, you do not even know what electrogravitics is,nor can YOU explain it becasue you have all the time in the world to create fake accounts, and no time it seems to do any reading and research. I have an excellent case against yu for fraud, impersonation, and identity-theft, as the proof of such transgression is in print on the internet for the world to see. You can save yourself millions of dollars in punitive damages by closing your fraudulent channels.

[QuantumCarl]

Has he been bugging you for a while now?

Cause otherwise, way to over react on the internet. :P

The internet is not serious business, and if it were, YouTube comments would still not be considered serious business.

Cool it.

[Beamshipcaptain]

Don't tell me to "cool it", because he has stolen my identity, and is bothering my friends passing himself of as me, using my name. That is identity theft, and impersonation, sabotage, etc. And is a federal crime. Not harmless fun.

[QuantumCarl]

He isn't stealing your credit, he isn't impersonating you to buy a house, and he isn't posing as you in the general Media while propositioning an underaged thai hooker.

This is the internet.

Get used to shit heads being shit heads, man.

Also, I think you can report him for it?

Although... I mean, he'll probably just make another account... Ehhh.

[Beamshipcaptain]

TheBeamshipCaptain, you have comitted the crimes of impersonation, and identity-theft, and now my attorney can sue you for perhaps millions of dollars. You can save yourself public-humiliation and millions of dollars in damages by closing down your fraudulent impersonating accounts forthwith. You are on notice, and I have an excellent case because your statements and fraudulent channels are on the internet from the world to see. Your mistake is that you believe you are anonymous and immune.

[Beamshipcaptain]

There are many different types of 'antigravity'. A better nomenclature would be gravity-control, dynamic counterbary, barycentric control. Read my friend Dr. Patric Bailey's paper on the many methodologies of gravity-control, static, mechanical, electrostatc, electromagnetic, etc. But you would know that if you were for real. I saw my friend Dr. Patrick Bailey 3-weeks ago in Washington DC at COFE II. I've known Dr. Bailey for 9-years. You are a stupid person playing sick games, abusing internet.

[QuantumCarl]

Give me an example of Gravity Control.

[Beamshipcaptain]

The Overloaded SEG. The Floyd Sweed VTA Bose-Einstin Condensates. Petit Viton. The Kontrabaric Effekt (Dr. Burkhard Heim). THe TT Brown Condensor-discs in vacuum, the Hubbard Coil, George S. Piggot force-field levitatioon experiments (1904), Woodward's FLUX CAPACITOR. Zinnser Effect. Clark Coils (Dr. Richard LeFors Clark), Dr. Shinichi Seiki's antigravity Generator (THE PRINCIPLES OF ULTRA-RELATIVITY-1972), SAIC (first confirmed USA antigravity flight at Area-51 in 1971), Schauberger Repulsine.

[QuantumCarl]

I'm going to remain cautiously skeptical.

Not that I do not believe you or any of the work anyone has done.

I also have yet to read a lot of papers on the work mentioned, which I will do throughout the week.

Also because, as convincing as some things can be, I just keep hearing "Huchinson effect" in the back of my head.

[Beamshipcaptain]

Look at history "those who do not remember history are condemned to repeat it". Those who are skeptical are never the pioneers that change everthing. They are relegated to the dust-bin of history and forgotten. Noone discovered anything or built anything new who is skeptical.

[QuantumCarl]

Well, scientific progress has always been something that flies in the face of conventional thinking, yes.

But assuming that because something is thought of as being wrong and incorrect that that's a sign that it MUST be right is a little too... well, there's a saying. "Be open minded, but not so open minded that your brain falls out."

I'm not saying that the Hutchinson effect is or is not real, and I'm not saying that there isn't some kind of science behind it... but scrutiny is a must.

[Beamshipcaptain]

Scrutiny is always a must. That is called RESEARCH. Onward and upward.

[QuantumCarl]

Almost all the things you cite as "proofs" are not generally accepted as being realistic...

The Philadelphia Experiment, for instance...

[Beamshipcaptain]

Hutchison efect is quite real, and involves the creation of scalar waves (magnetic-monoples), which results in gravity-control, shattering and heating of metals without heat, and melding of dissimilar materials without heat (similar to what happend to sailors above-deck getting emmbedded in the steel of the Eldridge in the Philadelphia Experiment in 1943). This is the creation of a compression and rarefaction of spacetime, with high-Voltage. Same thing can be done with Toroids.

[QuantumCarl]

Don't call anyone stupid.

Ever.

[Beamshipcaptain]

You are committing the crime of impersonation, it was proven in 2003 that it can lift a battery, and you are trying to sound as crazy as possible to discredit this work. Anyone can click on your name on this section and see that you have ZERO videos uploaded, and are a troll, with malicious intent. You are fooling noone. If you have this much free time on your hands, you can surely purchase the books I mentioned and get to work on research, but that would be too sane.

[QuantumCarl]

XD

Just because you were dropped on your head doesn't make you special.

Just different. :P

Although really, antigravity is a term thrown around wayyy too casually.

Nobody really believes it exists or even has a point.

[QuantumCarl]

No.

It is ionization.

Electrons build in the top most wire. Their orbits become to wide that they interact with the lower wire. A connection is established and a ion bridge forms. They then travel through the air from the + to the -. This creates a sort of buoyancy effect. Although not really.

It's like... uh... I don't have enough remaining characters to explain it.

Just trust me.

[koaftder]

No cutting edge physics here. Take a look in a 1960's world book encyclopedia to see an example of the same effect with a toilet paper tube hanging from a string.

[QuantumCarl]

This could be used for planetary travel, but not space travel. It requires some medium to flow through. This is essentially MagnetoHydroDynamics.

[Beamshipcaptain]

It is more efficient in vacuum, as shown in many countries and institutions over the last 70-years, to today. Purdue university flew lifters in hard vacuum, as did NASA, French Government with TT Brown in 1955, and in King of Prussia, PA at GE Space-Center, 1959.

[QuantumCarl]

When I think about it, without a medium between the + and - wires, a lifter would not work... I'm not saying that Ion Propulsion or Spinning Superconductors wouldn't work in a vacuum, just the lifter.

[21433H]

Many tests have been done and it has been established that this concept will not work in a vacuum. Looks cool though.

[QuantumCarl]

Indeed.

There is a required medium.

[Beamshipcaptain]

Read SECRETS OF ANTIGRAVITY PROPULSION (2008), by Paul Laviolette, PhD. The papers, proofs, and recorded experiments in there (chck the lengthy bibliographical-references-sec­tion) show that this is an efficient method of inertialess aerospace system, and I assure you the military has taken notice, as the testimony of Mark McCandlish who witnessed a military manned electrogravitics craft at Norton AFB in 1988.

[Crus777]

Well... they say that this can work in a vacuum because it actually is ion izing the object itself. (Which doesnt make much sense to me) That doesnt matter anyway because the energy payload ratio for this tech is sucky. BUt with some tweaks and research maybe this could be useful!

[QuantumCarl]

I'm pretty sure it would require an actual gas in between the two points for proper ionization.

I have yet to see a lifter in a vacuum. :P

And yeah, we'd need 100 kV just to make one of these things out of something other than balsa wood. :P

[QuantumCarl]

I would like to believe that it could be ionizing the object itself, but I do not think it is or that that would be even possible.

[lendoggtheking]

theres nouthing mysterious about it, the corona wire ionises air molicules which are attracted to the foil below this creates a downdraft so aerodynamicly it is very simelar to a helicopter. its not antigravety but if you are unsure check out the mythbuster report on it, it has no gravetational effect and will not function in a vacume.

[Cenobite1988]

that is not antigravity

[ALI3NT3KNIX]

More then this tech exists that is all hidden from us.

[QuantumCarl]

Way to sound like a whacko, dude.