@211jhb Hello friend. Nowhere in the Bible does it say to 'pray to one another'. Christ didn't obtain any virtue from Mary. Christ is the eternal God Who existed before Mary. All she did was deliver His 'bond servant' body into the world so He could die on the cross.
@211jhb Hello friend. Since when did Mary "flee into the wilderness for 1260 days"? Revelation 12 is refering to Israel. The 1260 days is one half of the tribulation period which is a future event.
@211jhb ...you suggest the devil is "afraid" to attack the rosary? The same devil who dared to confront Jesus in the wilderness? So you admit you believe the rosary trumps even the Lord. Your admission of guilt of the sin of idolatry and while we're at it..stupidity..is duly noted.
@211jhb Hello friend. If works are needed for our salvation, then Christ went to the cross is vain. 1 cross + 3 nails = 4 given. If you believe in faith and works then you don't have any faith.
@211jhb Dear friend. You need an understanding of Old Testament Israel to understand the woman of Revelation 12. You would profit wisely if you read the Book of Genesis.
Calling Mary a "Co-redemptrix" places her on an equal level with Jesus Christ, the Divine Son of God, making her something like a fourth person of the Trinity, a goddess or quasi-divine goddess, which is blasphemy for any true Christian.
Cardinal Newman, in his book, "The Development of the Christian Religion," admits that ... "Temples, incense, oil lamps, votive offerings, holy water, holidays and season of devotions, processions, blessing of fields, sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure (of priests and monks and nuns), images ... are ALL of pagan origin..." (Page 359).
There are many, many prayers directly to mary. Any catholic who denies this is lying. You pray to mary and worship her. When I reference the mary you pray to/worship - I do NOT mean the mother of the Lord Jesus. I mean the legion of demons who the cc has named "mary" and is now in full blown worship of her/it/them.You sir, have no clue what you are talking about. You are further confusing some poor soul who is seeking truth. I hope this Zulu person seeks answers elsewhere..you don't have them.
@211jhb John19:26? you gotta be kidding me! Who was Jesus speaking to? "When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!" He entrusted mary to His disciple. it is PLAIN. Yet again, your cult twists things in order to justify its idolatry.
@211jhb I am not a "evangelical". I am a Christian. Show me pope, purgatory, extreme unction, nun, rosary, marys' assumption, marys "perpetual virginity".
RedBaron: Are you serious? You are trying to convince people that catholics do not "pray to" mary! Go to any catholic site and find "marian prayers" .They don't just ask mary for interecession, which is bad enough, catholics actually petition mary for help. Ex:
@211jhb ahh, the old "anti-catholic" label! Well, sir, i could just as easily call catholics "anti-Christian" as they DENY the Jesus Christ of the BIble. ANSWER the contradictions of rev. that i posted IF the "woman" in rev. is mary. What am I blaspheming? I have said NOTHING that is unbiblical. if you want to start talking blasphemy we could start talking about your "holy father", "sweet Christ on earth", "Lord God the pope", etc.
@211jhb Romans 10:9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
@211jhb The woman in revelation is a picture of the Israelite nation as shown in Gen37:9,10 with the sun representing Jacob, the moon his wife Rachel, and the 12 stars representing the tribes of Israel. Christ was born of Israel. The Israelite nation is often referred to as a woman in Isaiah54:5 and Jeremiah31:32.This woman cannot be mary because the woman IS ON EARTH DURING THE TRIBULATION, whereas mary's spirit is in heaven at that time.
@211jhb So? The scriptures speaks of Christians and does not mention catholics. Also, why was John not called "John the catholic"? What was he called? Oh yes, thats right, John the BAPTIST.
@211jhb No, sir. I am stating what the Bible says. Not what I THINK it says, like you do. Show me where mary "fulfills" sarah. And, what has sarah got to do with anything? We are talking about the catholic cult elevating mary to a level she does not belong. Show me where Jesus said to recognise mary as out "spiritual mother"? book, chapter and verse, please.
Through infant baptism, keeping sacraments, church membership, going to mass, praying to Mary, and confession (just to mention a few), the Catholic church has developed a system of salvation through WORKS. God's word says that we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, not through works". "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." (Eph. 2:8-9)
Just as Cain vainly tried to impress God with the works of his hands, so do Catholics try to impress God with their good works and ceremonialism. Catholicism is a damnable lie that has been in the world since Cain. God will smash the Catholic Whore with His judgments.
the rcc says that evolution is in line with Christianity and catholics can believe in it. This is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says mary was sinless. this is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says confess your sins to a priest. this is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says mary can save you. this is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says peter was "the rock". this is CONTRARY to the Bible. The rcc murdered MILLIONS of Christians. This is CONTRARY to the Bible.
@kiwichristian2009 Amen friend. If evolution was true then there wasn't a flood and no judgement. If evolution was true then at what point in time did Adam and Eve become humans?
@211jhb Rubbish! Stop reading things into scripture that are NOT there. Jesus said He was THE way, not mary. Jesus said "come to ME", not "Go to my mom". The throne of grace is a throne of grace. man.
Thank you very much they do not misinterpret to fit they just add to keep it burning. Not unlike non fundamentalist LDS how can you be Mormon with out your guide. So they just disagree with Gods word so they change it. to hide sins or maybe the devil himself.
Also redbaron998, some prots take a verse out of Deutoronomy out of context. I forget now specificly where in Deutoronomy its located. Its the verse that is referring to whichcraft and all that sort of stuff. And it says that, "You should not conjure up the dead..." But it says nothing of praying to the Saints for intercession. Also, God said, "I am the God of the living not of the dead.." Well, if you are thinking physical, well, Jesus died physically, did he not? So what is it referring to?
@SandritaRowan26 Its reffering to the spiritual death. Meaning demons and all of that. Catholics don't conjure up anything. Satanist conjure up things. Totally different than what Catholics do. We all believe in 1 Church correct? Well, that Church is going to consist of everyone in Heaven, on earth, and Purgatory. Not Hell. Make sense? But Catholics also know the verse that Kiwi put up. Prots have the misconception that if you pray to the Saints it leaves out Jesus. Totally incorrect!
@SandritaRowan26 This is why Catholics start by doing the sign of the cross at the beginning of every prayer. In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. And we do it even at the end of prayer. So Jesus is in the beginning, middle, and end.
@SandritaRowan26 Hello friend. Conjuring up the dead or speaking to the dead. It doesn't matter. The dead can't do anything for us. Besides, Mary is in her grave until the resurrection of the dead.
@johnthreesixteen316 I think you misunderstood me. I wasn't just talking about physical death, but more on the lines of spiritual death. Which is why I mentioned that God is the God of the living not of the dead which is indeed scriptual. Of course, this means physical, but it also includes spiritual death. And spiritual death is the consequence of sin. Which are the lost souls in Hell.
@johnthreesixteen316 Question, if Mary is in her grave as you stated, "Besides, Mary is in her grave until the resurrection of the dead." Then you are apparently talking about the physical death. So, if that is the case.......Where is Mary's body?
@johnthreesixteen316 And one last thing...... If you are talking about that Mary is spiritually dead, then you just condemned Mary to Hell. So, what does the 'resurrection of the dead' mean? Well, it couldn't mean that God got the souls out of Hell cause then he would be releasing demons. Which is why the Catholic Church condemns the use of the ouija board...ect. Which is what is reffered to in Deutoronomy.
@SandritaRowan26 ..."he would be releasing demons. Which is why the Catholic Church condemns the use of the ouija board..."
Amazing. The catholic church condemns the use of the ouija board, but advocates the daily use of the rosary.. the results are the same, conjuring demons.
@johnthreesixteen316 Also, if you want to use scripture to bring down the Catholic Church, I suggest first, you look up who compiled (who put it together) the Bible. Also, you may want to look up the Catholic definition of what is meant by the phrase the, 'Communion of Saints'.
@SandritaRowan26..Here we go again..the catholic church compiled the bible in gave it to the world..blah, blah, blah.
You give the world the bible and then proceed to live your lives diametrically opposed to everything in it.You deny the Lordship of Jesus Christ,you commit idolatry by worshipping anything NOT moving (statues), you delete the law of God and make the blood of Jesus ineffective.
The very thing the catholic church so loves to boast about is the catalyst of your inevitable demise
Jesus said " I am the way, the truth, and the life. Noone comes to the father but through me." Meaning Jesus is the only one to save your soul. Mary cannot hear our prayers. The Bible also tells us to prove all things and hold fast to what is true. It doesnt matter if every pope said she was. The Bible is Gods word. Follow The Word and not the system of religion.
Another really good explanation! Ive been thinking some of the universe as a big corporation. No point in sitting w/ a billion other people in the CEOs waiting room every time you need something. Why not go to the right department? But do you have an idea on why prayer or other approaches have a low rate of success?
The problem isnt that Prayer doesnt work, but that people are expecting the wrong result. For instance you dont just pray for something and expect it, espically something material. Prayer is like meditation, its a way to concentrate your mental and spiritual (if you belief in that aspect of a person) self on something. The reward is the quiet time to calm your thoughts and think upon the subject, ever notice people think better when they think out loud? Same idea
1. Daily, daily sing to Mary Sing, my soul, her praises due; All her feasts, her actions WORSHIP, With the heart's devotion true...
2. She is mighty to deliver; Call her, trust her lovingly; When the tempest rages round thee, She will calm the troubled sea. Gifts of heaven she has given...
One of many songs of worship to the demon called mary.This is blatant idolatry. SMH.
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First get some modelling plaster add water stir and mould it into a human figure
Subject it to intense heat and allow to harden
Now paint it with modelling paint & allow to dry
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Garnish it with flowers & light candles to it
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glizag 11 hours ago
@211jhb Hello friend. You need to take off your 'Roman Catholicism glasses' and put on some biblical glasses. I hope that helps my dear friend.
johnthreesixteen316 3 months ago
@211jhb ..."Do you enjoy being so stupid or is it a cross to bear for you?"
yeah, actually I do enjoy it. Fool for Christ and lovin' it.
bella50008 3 months ago
@211jhb Hello friend. Nowhere in the Bible does it say to 'pray to one another'. Christ didn't obtain any virtue from Mary. Christ is the eternal God Who existed before Mary. All she did was deliver His 'bond servant' body into the world so He could die on the cross.
johnthreesixteen316 3 months ago
@211jhb Hello friend. Since when did Mary "flee into the wilderness for 1260 days"? Revelation 12 is refering to Israel. The 1260 days is one half of the tribulation period which is a future event.
johnthreesixteen316 3 months ago
@211jhb Hello friend. The rosary is a tool of vain repetition.
johnthreesixteen316 3 months ago
@211jhb ...I am not antiCatholic, I am anti-heresy, anti-idolatry...oops sorry...I guess I am anti-Catholic.
bella50008 3 months ago
@211jhb ...you suggest the devil is "afraid" to attack the rosary? The same devil who dared to confront Jesus in the wilderness? So you admit you believe the rosary trumps even the Lord. Your admission of guilt of the sin of idolatry and while we're at it..stupidity..is duly noted.
bella50008 3 months ago
Praying to Mary is just as useless as the lies Satan told Eve in the garden.......we don't need God.
johnthreesixteen316 3 months ago
@211jhb Hello friend. If works are needed for our salvation, then Christ went to the cross is vain. 1 cross + 3 nails = 4 given. If you believe in faith and works then you don't have any faith.
johnthreesixteen316 3 months ago
@211jhb Dear friend. You need an understanding of Old Testament Israel to understand the woman of Revelation 12. You would profit wisely if you read the Book of Genesis.
johnthreesixteen316 3 months ago
@211jhb Hello friend. The woman of Revelation is Israel. You need to cross-reference with the Book of Genesis to see the truth.
johnthreesixteen316 3 months ago
@211jhb Hello friend. Jesus Christ is our throne of grace. If Mary was, she would've been nailed to the cross.
johnthreesixteen316 3 months ago
Calling Mary a "Co-redemptrix" places her on an equal level with Jesus Christ, the Divine Son of God, making her something like a fourth person of the Trinity, a goddess or quasi-divine goddess, which is blasphemy for any true Christian.
kiwichristian2009 3 months ago
Cardinal Newman, in his book, "The Development of the Christian Religion," admits that ... "Temples, incense, oil lamps, votive offerings, holy water, holidays and season of devotions, processions, blessing of fields, sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure (of priests and monks and nuns), images ... are ALL of pagan origin..." (Page 359).
kiwichristian2009 3 months ago
There are many, many prayers directly to mary. Any catholic who denies this is lying. You pray to mary and worship her. When I reference the mary you pray to/worship - I do NOT mean the mother of the Lord Jesus. I mean the legion of demons who the cc has named "mary" and is now in full blown worship of her/it/them.You sir, have no clue what you are talking about. You are further confusing some poor soul who is seeking truth. I hope this Zulu person seeks answers elsewhere..you don't have them.
bella50008 3 months ago
@bella50008 Amen friend. Just like the demonic 'marian' apparitions.
johnthreesixteen316 3 months ago
@211jhb Now, LETS GET BACK ON TOPIC. Show me where God tells us to pray to anyone other than Himself.
kiwichristian2009 3 months ago
@211jhb show me "spiritual mother" here.
kiwichristian2009 3 months ago
@211jhb John19:26? you gotta be kidding me! Who was Jesus speaking to? "When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!" He entrusted mary to His disciple. it is PLAIN. Yet again, your cult twists things in order to justify its idolatry.
kiwichristian2009 3 months ago
@211jhb I am not a "evangelical". I am a Christian. Show me pope, purgatory, extreme unction, nun, rosary, marys' assumption, marys "perpetual virginity".
kiwichristian2009 3 months ago
RedBaron: Are you serious? You are trying to convince people that catholics do not "pray to" mary! Go to any catholic site and find "marian prayers" .They don't just ask mary for interecession, which is bad enough, catholics actually petition mary for help. Ex:
"Virgin of virgins, our Mother.
To you we come, before you we stand,
sinful and sorrowful.
O Mother of the Word Incarnate,
do not despise our PETITIONS,
but in your mercy HEAR us and ANSWER us."
A Prayer directly TO mary.
bella50008 3 months ago
@bella50008 Amen friend. Marian worship is a whole religion by itself in complete rejection of the truth which is in Christ alone.
johnthreesixteen316 3 months ago
@211jhb ahh, the old "anti-catholic" label! Well, sir, i could just as easily call catholics "anti-Christian" as they DENY the Jesus Christ of the BIble. ANSWER the contradictions of rev. that i posted IF the "woman" in rev. is mary. What am I blaspheming? I have said NOTHING that is unbiblical. if you want to start talking blasphemy we could start talking about your "holy father", "sweet Christ on earth", "Lord God the pope", etc.
kiwichristian2009 3 months ago
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@211jhb Romans 10:9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
kiwichristian2009 3 months ago
@211jhb Now, lets get back to the topic. Where in the Bible does God tell us to pray to anyone else other than Him.?
kiwichristian2009 3 months ago
@211jhb The woman in revelation is a picture of the Israelite nation as shown in Gen37:9,10 with the sun representing Jacob, the moon his wife Rachel, and the 12 stars representing the tribes of Israel. Christ was born of Israel. The Israelite nation is often referred to as a woman in Isaiah54:5 and Jeremiah31:32.This woman cannot be mary because the woman IS ON EARTH DURING THE TRIBULATION, whereas mary's spirit is in heaven at that time.
kiwichristian2009 3 months ago
@211jhb So? The scriptures speaks of Christians and does not mention catholics. Also, why was John not called "John the catholic"? What was he called? Oh yes, thats right, John the BAPTIST.
kiwichristian2009 3 months ago
@211jhb No, sir. I am stating what the Bible says. Not what I THINK it says, like you do. Show me where mary "fulfills" sarah. And, what has sarah got to do with anything? We are talking about the catholic cult elevating mary to a level she does not belong. Show me where Jesus said to recognise mary as out "spiritual mother"? book, chapter and verse, please.
kiwichristian2009 3 months ago
@211jhb yeah, typical catholic anti-christian reply. Yes, we are to pray FOR one another, we are not to pray TO one another!
kiwichristian2009 3 months ago
Through infant baptism, keeping sacraments, church membership, going to mass, praying to Mary, and confession (just to mention a few), the Catholic church has developed a system of salvation through WORKS. God's word says that we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, not through works". "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." (Eph. 2:8-9)
kiwichristian2009 3 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 The truth has been spoken! If a person believes in faith and works, they don't have any faith to begin with.
johnthreesixteen316 3 months ago
Just as Cain vainly tried to impress God with the works of his hands, so do Catholics try to impress God with their good works and ceremonialism. Catholicism is a damnable lie that has been in the world since Cain. God will smash the Catholic Whore with His judgments.
kiwichristian2009 3 months ago
the rcc says that evolution is in line with Christianity and catholics can believe in it. This is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says mary was sinless. this is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says confess your sins to a priest. this is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says mary can save you. this is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says peter was "the rock". this is CONTRARY to the Bible. The rcc murdered MILLIONS of Christians. This is CONTRARY to the Bible.
kiwichristian2009 3 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 Amen friend. If evolution was true then there wasn't a flood and no judgement. If evolution was true then at what point in time did Adam and Eve become humans?
johnthreesixteen316 3 months ago
Job15:15 "Behold, he putteth no trust in his saints; yea, the heavens are not clean in his sight."
kiwichristian2009 3 months ago
Where in the Bible are we told to pray to either 1) dead people or 2) anyone other than God?
kiwichristian2009 3 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 Nowhere!
johnthreesixteen316 3 months ago
@211jhb Rubbish! Stop reading things into scripture that are NOT there. Jesus said He was THE way, not mary. Jesus said "come to ME", not "Go to my mom". The throne of grace is a throne of grace. man.
kiwichristian2009 3 months ago
Thank you very much they do not misinterpret to fit they just add to keep it burning. Not unlike non fundamentalist LDS how can you be Mormon with out your guide. So they just disagree with Gods word so they change it. to hide sins or maybe the devil himself.
treyeangledlockdown 3 months ago
Also redbaron998, some prots take a verse out of Deutoronomy out of context. I forget now specificly where in Deutoronomy its located. Its the verse that is referring to whichcraft and all that sort of stuff. And it says that, "You should not conjure up the dead..." But it says nothing of praying to the Saints for intercession. Also, God said, "I am the God of the living not of the dead.." Well, if you are thinking physical, well, Jesus died physically, did he not? So what is it referring to?
SandritaRowan26 8 months ago
@SandritaRowan26 Its reffering to the spiritual death. Meaning demons and all of that. Catholics don't conjure up anything. Satanist conjure up things. Totally different than what Catholics do. We all believe in 1 Church correct? Well, that Church is going to consist of everyone in Heaven, on earth, and Purgatory. Not Hell. Make sense? But Catholics also know the verse that Kiwi put up. Prots have the misconception that if you pray to the Saints it leaves out Jesus. Totally incorrect!
SandritaRowan26 8 months ago
@SandritaRowan26 This is why Catholics start by doing the sign of the cross at the beginning of every prayer. In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. And we do it even at the end of prayer. So Jesus is in the beginning, middle, and end.
SandritaRowan26 8 months ago
@SandritaRowan26 Well, it is not even a cross. It is a + sign taken ( as with all catholic teachings ) paganism.
kiwichristian2009 3 months ago
@SandritaRowan26 Hello friend. Conjuring up the dead or speaking to the dead. It doesn't matter. The dead can't do anything for us. Besides, Mary is in her grave until the resurrection of the dead.
johnthreesixteen316 3 months ago
@johnthreesixteen316 I think you misunderstood me. I wasn't just talking about physical death, but more on the lines of spiritual death. Which is why I mentioned that God is the God of the living not of the dead which is indeed scriptual. Of course, this means physical, but it also includes spiritual death. And spiritual death is the consequence of sin. Which are the lost souls in Hell.
SandritaRowan26 3 months ago
@johnthreesixteen316 Question, if Mary is in her grave as you stated, "Besides, Mary is in her grave until the resurrection of the dead." Then you are apparently talking about the physical death. So, if that is the case.......Where is Mary's body?
SandritaRowan26 3 months ago
@johnthreesixteen316 And one last thing...... If you are talking about that Mary is spiritually dead, then you just condemned Mary to Hell. So, what does the 'resurrection of the dead' mean? Well, it couldn't mean that God got the souls out of Hell cause then he would be releasing demons. Which is why the Catholic Church condemns the use of the ouija board...ect. Which is what is reffered to in Deutoronomy.
SandritaRowan26 3 months ago
@SandritaRowan26 ..."he would be releasing demons. Which is why the Catholic Church condemns the use of the ouija board..."
Amazing. The catholic church condemns the use of the ouija board, but advocates the daily use of the rosary.. the results are the same, conjuring demons.
bella50008 3 months ago
@johnthreesixteen316 Also, if you want to use scripture to bring down the Catholic Church, I suggest first, you look up who compiled (who put it together) the Bible. Also, you may want to look up the Catholic definition of what is meant by the phrase the, 'Communion of Saints'.
SandritaRowan26 3 months ago
@SandritaRowan26..Here we go again..the catholic church compiled the bible in gave it to the world..blah, blah, blah.
You give the world the bible and then proceed to live your lives diametrically opposed to everything in it.You deny the Lordship of Jesus Christ,you commit idolatry by worshipping anything NOT moving (statues), you delete the law of God and make the blood of Jesus ineffective.
The very thing the catholic church so loves to boast about is the catalyst of your inevitable demise
bella50008 3 months ago
Jesus said " I am the way, the truth, and the life. Noone comes to the father but through me." Meaning Jesus is the only one to save your soul. Mary cannot hear our prayers. The Bible also tells us to prove all things and hold fast to what is true. It doesnt matter if every pope said she was. The Bible is Gods word. Follow The Word and not the system of religion.
kiwichristian2009 11 months ago
Another really good explanation! Ive been thinking some of the universe as a big corporation. No point in sitting w/ a billion other people in the CEOs waiting room every time you need something. Why not go to the right department? But do you have an idea on why prayer or other approaches have a low rate of success?
ChrisStBackus 2 years ago
Thank you for the comment.
The problem isnt that Prayer doesnt work, but that people are expecting the wrong result. For instance you dont just pray for something and expect it, espically something material. Prayer is like meditation, its a way to concentrate your mental and spiritual (if you belief in that aspect of a person) self on something. The reward is the quiet time to calm your thoughts and think upon the subject, ever notice people think better when they think out loud? Same idea
redbaron998 2 years ago
@redbaron998 ...
"DAILY, DAILY, SING TO MARY
1. Daily, daily sing to Mary Sing, my soul, her praises due; All her feasts, her actions WORSHIP, With the heart's devotion true...
2. She is mighty to deliver; Call her, trust her lovingly; When the tempest rages round thee, She will calm the troubled sea. Gifts of heaven she has given...
One of many songs of worship to the demon called mary.This is blatant idolatry. SMH.
bella50008 3 months ago