1:00 Far too many Christian cult leaders (usually of the New Apostolic Reformation and other totalitarian stripes) use the Parable of the Pounds to demand that the faithful bring in more non-Christians to convert. I know this, for I used to be a Boston Church of Christ (Kip-McKeanite) Christian.
1) There is no evidence the disciples died for their beliefs. 2) The 9/11 hijackers died for Mohamed and that can be proven. 3) The New Testament defies as many physical laws as the Old Testament. 4) So, what's real?
If you would have looked around a bit before posting thoughtless comments, you would have read the comment from DonExodus2 saying that he is no longer a christian, saving you the embarrassment of looking like a fool.
All things that exist are perfect eternal creations. There is only one you. 1/1=100%=the perfect you Regardless of the carnal imperfections or unrighteousness you perceive this is carnal perception, we do not have eternal perception. No matter what one does, it was ordained before the creation of time that which would be done. Whatever happens or exists is eternal perfection despite our inability to understand matters eternal.
@ReligionlessFAITH You said, "All things that exist are perfect eternal creations Regardless of the carnal IMPERFECTIONS." I seriously hope you are not over 13 years old. Because anyone over 13 should've been taught what a contradiction or oxymoron means. Did you eat mushrooms one day, listen to Abert Einstein speaking about the galaxies and think to yourself...AHHH the only thing that matters is in eternity? Just asking. Is God so weak that he cannot reveal his character to us?
@JAKEHARRIS281 There is a difference between ETERNAL perfection and carally perceived perfection.. if you don't understand that, then you delimit our omniscient Creator to carnal status. Seriously...do you think you can define that which Created us? If the answer is yes, then you equate your finite carnal intellect to an eternal intelligence. If the answer is no, then you must agree that all religions are attempts to define an indefinable eternal Creator. Try reading precisely
@ReligionlessFAITH do you know that the reason Jesus came is to reveal that One to us? Don't you know that's why He's called the "exact image of God" and that "all the fullness of the Godhood dwells in Him bodily"? It's not necessary for us to have an unlimited mind or to fathom deep secrets, but only to understand WHO God is, and to see WHY He is Who He is. Do you understand what I mean by that? To know His name and to be like Him, to serve Him and love Him as He loved us.
@krononomikon I can't put words in the mouth of our Creator and say that I know why Jesus came, other than the universal reason for which everyone gets here. I do know there are 15-20 virgin births in the usa daily. If you define virgin birth by a pregnat woman with an intact hymen delivering baby...a virgin birth. Yes it happens.
If you define prophet as someone arrogant enough to think they can use carnal intellect to decipher eternal wisdom, then yes, it happens... alot, especially in bibl
@krononomikon Sorry, I have but a carnal intellect, I can not decipher eternal words. This is how I was created due to the temporal nature to which we are bound. All the words in the bible are of our carnal vocabulary. We can't even see our enitre universe, how vastly inferior are we to the intellect which created our temporal condition? I was created too humble to believe I can understand eternal truth because we can't know all things past, present and future. We can only know the present
@ReligionlessFAITH the difference between carnal and spiritual thinking, although divided by somewhat of a "great gulf", isn't drawn by those lines. Whoever has the Spirit is being revealed those things which are above internally. It's like how you can't tell someone what "sweet" tastes like unless they've had sugar or good fruit. In the same way, you can't tell someone what is spiritually discerned without them knowing the Spirit. However, saying it's impossible for you to ever be shown.. :|
@krononomikon lol ... EVERYONE exists as spirit in the eternal realm... you can not "obtain" spiritual existence in this temporal reality. The proof of this lies in the understanding of eternity which is all things past PRESENT and future existing in a timeless state. We exist in time, it is the present. The present could not exist if it were not part of eternity. We could not exist if we did not also have eternal existence. A carnal mind can't know eternal truth for lack of timelessness.
@krononomikon Some of us are created with the ability to ASSUME we can know things eternal. This is an arrogance given to some people to be reflected to their eternal spirit, of its eternal arrogant nature, and may result in contentment for that spirit so it can self-justify its eternal post. Sorry, I, like all other humans was created with a humbleness many of us forget to use. I know that I am carnal and that I can not know things eternal while in this temporal reality. Only God "KNOWS"!
@krononomikon Sugar and fruit exist in our reality and we have access to them so we can learn about their nature. We do not have access to eternal intellect, nor do we understand eternal vocabularies. We exist in the present, the aspects of most past and all future knowledge are not at our disposal in this reality. People had not been to the moon before 1969, but many had imagined it and the resulting stories were far from truth. Similarly people can imagine the eternal and fictionalize.
@ReligionlessFAITH Don't think that you're immune to fictionalizing. Don't forget that you claim that you can't know, yet you claim that others can't know... see how that works? It's fine and well to say that you don't know, because you know that you don't know - yet saying that "no one can know" and that you also don't know, that's putting a yoke on people not meant to be there.
@krononomikon To say 1) that we all have spirit and are essentially eternal in part of us, and 2) that we are only carnal-minded and cannot possibly comprehend (no matter what we're told, because we have flesh and blood minds) anything from God (as is suggested by "eternal"), then there is also a problem there. For instance, how do you know that you are spirit, and that you are eternal? Reasoning is all right, but if you're going on that, you can't discount other reasoning, right?
@krononomikon Mind you, I'm not talking about things pertaining to a limitless mind with incomprehensible intellectual facilities, but a SPIRITUAL mind, facilitated by the Spirit and His way of thinking. If you're looking at it Biblically, we are promised that in God, and also that it's revealed by the Spirit. Those that actually experience this kind of revelation by the Spirit, they also shouldn't be discounted in favor of philosophy.
@krononomikon If you want my philosophy on time and eternity, then I perceive eternity as the persistent state, and being true time, and "time" as some call it, being the measure by which things change, which can be altered by affecting various points in their makeup. For instance, "time" can seem to slow down when things are affected in one way or another, but that doesn't, in reality, change the constant persistence of eternity that is going on.
@krononomikon It's like those who have reported being shown things in a vision, and in dreams and pictures being shown spiritual truth like looking at a man through the bottom of a soda bottle, darkly and blurred and distorted. However, for those who come to know God, God is indeed revealed to them, and they understand the types of things that await them. God has always proved Who He is by what He does, and He says that whoever glories should glory in that they know Him.
@krononomikon The problem with your reasoning is that you ASSUME you have access to your spiritual mind from your carnal state. There is no evidence of this. We can use axiomatic logic to prove an indefinable infinitely more perfect than our understanding of perfection, omniscient, Creator. Anything more that is said about our Creator or His word, His will, His plan, is speculation. We can build FAITH in our omniscient Creator. We can also go too far and build faith in carnal words.
@krononomikon I am not immune to fiction. I openly admit anything I speculate or conjecture about matters eternal is pure speculation and conjecture. Some people are not able to admit this. Some people KNOW they speculate, and label their speculation as truth. Thats putting a yoke on all the people who believe speculative carnal words placed int the mouth of an eternal God. ALL carnal words ARE carnal words. We DON'T know ANY eternal words, the language is beyond carnal capability.
An omniscient creator passes judgement BEFORE creating. Believing the Creator must wait to see what we do to pass judgement denies the very omniscience we should build faith in. Believing in the existence of satan also DENIES omniscience, not to mention that people who believe in satan are SATANISTS! Yup, all religionists are satanists, sorry. I killed satan years ago. Religionists keep this carnal invention alive in their minds because their religion requires them to be satanists.
Carnal words placed in the mouth of a perfect omniscient Creator reduce eternal perfection to carnal imperfection, no matter how inspired. Carnal intellect can not help but to define the eternal. We can't even define infinity... how much less can we define past infinity to future infinity all existing in an ifinitessimally small increment of time such that time = 0. Definition of the Creator DESTROYS perfection and omniscience with tainted carnal intellect. My faith is with eternal perfection
I believe in god but everytime I tell someone that they instantly start babling about the bible and other shit that makes no sense trying to tell me god doesnt exist. whats wrong with believeing in god. And thank you for explaining that the bible was wrote by man and has been passed for years. U r a smart man
@JoshMufc101 There are eye accounts of leprechauns in Ireland.... I dont know what your looking for. your belief in nothing is just as strong as mine in something, they cancel each other out
"There are eye accounts of leprechauns in Ireland" LMAO... please please please tell me your a troll? you honestly think there is a possibility that leprechauns exist? please i'd love to see these eye accounts send me the links. oh and i live about 100miles away from ireland and i've never heard anything. i believe that there isn't a god because of no evidence. they don't cancel each other out at all. you're an idiot.
@JoshMufc101 Oh and why dont you get a really big net go to ireland and document ur adventure to prove that leprachauns do not exist and i will shut up. dont beileve evrything you see on tv euro man
"dont beileve evrything you see on tv euro man" i don't! i've never seen a leprachaun documentary because nobody would be soo fucking stupid as to make one. you're a fucking retard.
@JoshMufc101 Whoa hairy euro man you did not have to send me a personal message of hate. Anywho not life 15 billion yrs ago, I meant the universe. I am also sorry for spelling things wrong. I didnt break out my Websters Dick.SHAH.nary before I wrote this. So I am gonna go gvie some money to the poor and praise my Jesus. You can shave your Hairy euro chest get your Smurf net 2 prove me wrong and remeber nothingn happens when u die Atheist! hahaha
"Whoa hairy euro man" you're fucking american, you people are fat as fuck and stupid, you couldn't even spell science. remember what language you speak, english. "you did not have to send me a personal message of hate" read the message, i corrected your stupid mistakes that's all.
@j187killa There is no evidence that proves a god doesnt exist. People like jus ramble on about sience and all kinds of other nonsense, bullshit. So in your eyes I guess we all jus poped out of a tiny partical 15 billion years ago becasue that makes so much sense and can be totally proved (which it hasnt, there is only speculation with ur beloved hadron collider). so if people wanna beileve in leprachauns or even smurfs who are you to say thier not real
I hear God speaking to me in the same way, its not an actual voice, its more of an over-whealming feeling that opens your eyes to the truth about life. Faith helps this gift to grow, and the more faith u have, the farther you can take it. I NEVER thought i would become a rapper, but my song is playing on MTV "IF YOU REALLY KNEW ME" and VH1's "BROOKE KNOWS BEST" i see a clear vision of my purpose and mission for God. and it has nothing to do with music, music is just A tool to be used
If you read this comment Don, could you tell me what was your reasoning was when you were a Christian for the fact that in near-death experiences every religious person always sees the deity of their religion and never the deity of another, e.g. Hindus see Vishnu and never Jesus while Christians always see Jesus and never Vishnu.
@fernbap In John 6 Christ said his words are SPIRITUAL. For example he doesn't want you to sell everything you have but rather put God above materialism. Why are you paraphrasing? Quote the verses. I don't recall him every saying "live in the present, or don't plan for the hard days."
@JAKEHARRIS281 hogwash Matt 19:16-23 This is a COMMANDMENT Jesus made.. to sell one's posessions, give to the poor, and live within His commune a prerequisite for eternal life!
@ReligionlessFAITH You are looking at this with a physical and not spiritual perspective. Jesus did COMMAND that if our eye offends us to PLUCK IT OUT and cast it from us to enter into life. Does Jesus want us to LITERALLY cut out our eye? NO! As I said in John 6:63 he said "my words are SPIRITUAL........" Our PHYSICAL eye does NOT sin, but rather as CHRIST said "out of the heart proceeds lust. We are to SPIRITUALLY cut the sin out of our hearts not PHYSICALLY.
@JAKEHARRIS281 I know this. ALL religions define God .. his word, his will, his name, how to worship ...ALL religions DEFINE that which is eternal. Infinity can not be defined. Eternity can not be defined. The moment you define God, you replace eternal perfection with finite carnal vocabulary, intellect, knowledge, etc. Eternal perfection is lost, the moment we define God. My faith is in eternal omniscient perfection, not in carnal words plcaed in God's mouth tainting eternal truth.
@ReligionlessFAITH Seems to me that you don't believe in an omnipotent BEING. Seems like you want to replace the Creator with the concept of "endlessness" which doesn't necessarily have anthing to do with Gods character, righteousness, law, or who and what God the Father is. Time and Endlessness is what God created. Putting more emphasis on endlessness than God is clearly idolatry. We are to focus on the Creator not what he created.
@JAKEHARRIS281 oh my faith is exclusively built on omniscient perfection, and anything that would define this would taint my faith. There is a reason the Creator doesn't walk among us in plain sight. It would steal from us the freedom to choose to believe in His perfection and omniscience. It seems to me focusing on carnal inventions like "satan" "judgement" and carnal words in the mouth of eternal perfection is the idolatry.
The fact that you wrote what you wrote was pre-ordained.
@JAKEHARRIS281 You see, all eternally inspired thought, is understood by temporal intellect, no one has eternal intellect. Then when such thoughts are translated by carnal words, these thoughts are further tainted by carnality. Then when those tainted words are interpreted by another carnal mind, very little eternal truth can be left.
@fernbap Jesus is not physically on the earth to physically follow Him (he's physically in heaven). However, when He told Peter to "follow me", he was talking about the manner in which Peter would die. Because of the apostles DOING this, the testimony of Jesus was spread around the world, and we have a good testimony. Because of their testimony being spread around the world, men can hear and thus SEEK God and His kingdom, especially through the one Who reveals Him fully, Jesus Christ...
@krononomikon ...understand the context, who Jesus was talking to, and why. Why don't worry about tomorrow, live in the present, and don't plan for hard days, knowing that God will provide? Those things are necessary to take on somewhat of a "kamikaze" mission as the "foolishness to the world" as preaching is, in the manner that they preached, being hunted and killed by ruthless thugs. Abandoning your family is not what that means, but rather caring more about Him than them, because He also
@krononomikon He also said that whoever starts building a structure first counts the cost. If you're not willing to "hate" or "abandon" your family, then don't go out looking to serve God to the death. However, if you are willing to follow Jesus (to the Cross), then you're going to have to give up hopes for escaping death and running to your family when times get tough, and they'll have to understand where you're going too. Selling your stuff is for the poor people, and following Him = cross
@krononomikon in summary, those who were actually called and chosen for the duty of doing the Lord's work of harvesting in such a manner and being fishers of men, these did do those commands of Jesus, and it did make the world a better place. Not that it makes the world better, but it brings people out of "the world". As far as those who fight and bicker over it, these are those who are still of the world, and they fight because of selfishness, not for serving the One True God
Xians usually have 3 different interpretations of hell;
1. Separation from god.
2. Final & permanent death.
3. eternal torment.
The one irreconcilable thing for me is a Hell of eternal torment & a loving god!
As U know, Hell (#3) isn't mentioned in the OT. Since salvation is the supposed key, I'd expect that hell would be made very clear. We only hear about hell after the Babylonian captivity.
I believe men created it along with everything else in scripture. Loving God & hell make no sense.
Don, I'm confused. You take some parts of scripture as true & literal, & others as not. How do you know which is which? If there's one error or contradiction in it, then how can we believe any of it?
Here's ultimately why I don't believe the bible is the word of any god. It is overwhelmingly confusing & impossible to interpret. If an all knowing god gave us a book to live by, I'd at least expect it to be clear & concise to everyone...at the very least! Christianity has caused so much death!
I've found many verses where god "is" telling the Hebrews to kill every 1 of their enemies. Women & children. I'm sorry but r u saying that these commands weren't attributed to god (Yahweh)?
I agree that it isn't literal. I see it as men writing scripture without any help from any god. Yahweh was an evil figure as it is portrayed in scripture.
yes...big diff. between the OT & NT! Different authors, mindset, and different times. God would be consistent!
@DonExodus2 - "Which is why Im no longer a Christian."
Ahh. Didn't know that.
Gotta say, man, I really enjoy your videos. I've actually learnt quite a deal from you and I love the way you go about it. Paraphrasing Dawkins: 'Biology is interesting and if you don't like it you can 'fuck off''
As a layman in the field I've found your videos probably the best (at least the most easily digestible) source of knowledge I've come across so far when it comes to biology/evolution.
@DonExodus2 Is not the rejection of simplistic Christianity and the replacing of it with a personal belief in God - separated from critique according to the reasons you gave in the first video - just the same thing with all the most obviously ludicrous parts removed? Is it not also maintained by the same argument of it not being able to be empirically disproved, thus it is thought 'immune' from critique as a personal belief?
@Skindoggiedog There is no way to escape death - yet. Its nice to have something thats comforting to make you think you can but you cant. Its a fairy tale to scare/comfort people with the best risk/reward system ever thought up.
@nycgroove1 - "I love how you qualify your statement with the word "really". Even YOU know it's not true."
Of course I know it's not true. I'm an atheist and always have been.
The point I was making was that the only justification anyone has for believing in it (aside from delusional experience) is for it's utility in dealing with unpleasant thoughts about our own mortality
So, your assumption was an incorrect one, which makes your 'insight' into my comment no insight at all.
"We know more about god now than we did 3000 years ago" - Entertaining the thought does not seem rational at all to me.
A long time ago we 'knew' hundreds of things about god. We 'knew' how he controlled the weather, we 'knew' how he made every creature perfectly fit it's environment, we 'knew' so many more things than we 'know' now. In fact, do we actually know ANYTHING about a god now?
No, the only thing we know more of now is what god is not.
You cannot possibly be making the case that because some miraculous event was written down soon after it was claimed to have happened AT THIS TIME IN HISTORY that it actually adds to it's veracity. The lore of the people of the time was infested with the most ridiculous notions, and ignorance about the natural world ruled on high, so it didn't really matter WHEN someone from that time wrote "A witch shot laser beams out of her ass and melted the equatorial ice caps" - it's still a load of crap.
hmm, i noticed that although he says he doesnt believe in god or christianity because it gives him comfort, he says the exact opposite at the end of the video.
I strongly suggest you go read books about the historical compilation of the Bible, Bart D Ehrman is probably the best popular writer on this subject. His twin books Misquoting Jesus and Jesus, Interrupted are great reading and cover the topic fully. If you're as big an advocate of reasoning as you say you are then you owe it to yourself.
I gave this video a thumbs up but I do have a problem with the statement that the new testament was compiled 10 years after his death which is a little misleading. Unless you didn't mean that the entire new testament was compiled 10 years after his death. I don't want to accidentally straw-man your argument or anything.
what a narrow minded evolution supporter, no religion offers that? what? leap out of the circularity and expand the idea of a good life man. christian arrogance!
I am italian and roman catholic, and i strongly believe we'll have another chance to accept Jesus as our saviour after physical death. And the previous Pope, John Paul II, said once "Hell exists, but it's empty". If a human father can forgive ANYTHING, even betrayal and murder, to his own son, imagine what a mercyfull Father could forgive. Thank you for making your videos :-)
Its very paradoxical for an atheist like me, though in truth i am agnostic to separate the lucid evidence led DonExodus from the DonExodus of faith. I am pleased you are able to reconcile your faith with reason.. I may be wrong but it seems to me that apologetics is a rather pointless activity. It is an attempt to replace faith with certainty, rather than faith as certainty so it undermines its own rationale. Ultimately you believe, i don't, no special clauses then we are on an equal footing.
So If Don here was born in Pakistan or India and was brought up with a Muslim/Hindu teachings would he be a Christian?? No, he would probably be making a video telling people why he thinks Mohammed is a prophet etc. Religion is stupid.
Although I don't confuse religion with the afterlife because I believe that there is in fact a supernatural afterlife for subjective personal reasons. I just think all religions around today are so ridiculous that they haven't even come close to touching it.
The reason i dont believe in god is because i think scripture is nonsence it realy has no link to the reality of history. Religion is just a bureaucracy hiding behind god that uses scripture semantics and apologetics to scatter the issues so people are distracted from the truth of it been a load of hocus pocus. Ofc litral religion is wrong but the same process used to dismiss literalism is exactly the same thing used to dismiss all religion, moderates just cant or wont see it.
nope. Don't believe. And not only that, but it just doesn't make any sense. There are millions of people who lived before Jesus, how could it be go to hell when they had really no choice in the matter? If an eternal hell exists, this is really one poorly designed universe.
Well, if there is a hell, it's temporary one. Did you watch the video? the whole bible's message is about being good and having mercy. How is Hell merciful?
@TheCritRocket Most people (atheists included) only like points that support theirs. Even if this video isn't about his true beliefs, I commend him greatly for building valid points from ideas that contradict his.
@DylanGalvinMusic well we dont censore. we just say that we dont find your argument compelign or convising. do you want points from not knowing. still i think that he has every rigth to expres him self. i dont dislike him or hes aregument. i just find that the points he gets are given for the validity of arguments. i still likes hes videos. and like him and i like that he speaks what he belives. with peace, form atheist.
I believe that jesus was a historical person, the reason for this is that many civilsations and religions has written about this man that is nearly identical to jesus. but i dont believe taht he was supernatural. he may just have been a philosopher of love and even socialism(if you look what he stand for)
"We know more about god now then we did 3000 years ago" 3:43
I don't think that anybody can justifiably claim to know the nature of a non physical being separate from our space and time that refuses to show itself in any form that would allow for us to properly analyze and observe it. Not 3000 years ago, not now, not 3000 years from now.
"The Gospels on the other hand, which aren't to be taken allegorically ... " 2:37
So just to clarify, I shouldn't be confused when Matthew's writing a biography of Jesus to the best of his knowledge, and throws in a bombshell about the dead walking the earth in Jerusalem? And what, every other historian living in the area at the time didn't consider it to be worthy of notice?
And so what if the apostles were willing to be martyred? If that's how you determine truth, then Islam has you beat.
On your final point you say that a lot of the teachings will lead to a happier life and the world being a better place. Well, that's nice but now you already know those ideas and why not simply take them as their own, seperate things? Many people/characters, both real and fictional, have good lessons to teach that can be followed without calling oneself a follower of that specific person. I.e. I believe respecting all life is a beneficial way of life without being a jain
I disagree that if god exists we know more about him/her/they/it. If a god/gods exist I think that all that has accumulated about them/it over the millenia is countless contradicting and sometimes ugly rumors and gossip. It's like high school gossip about that 1 kid no one knows anything about, but imagine if that chatter went on for millenia. How wrong would common idea of that quiet kid few have spoken to be? How many guesses would've been repeated so often people forget they're not facts?
No matter what you believe I applaud you for being a good example of how evolution is not a proponent of atheism. Your videos are very well done and educational especially for believers to realize that its okay to accept facts of science and believe in their dieties. Kudos for posting these.
Are you going to ignore slaying homosexuals in the Bible? Stoning many different people in the commandments? Of course, and you will take as literal the things you like. How is it that anybody knows more about something that is not there? This is a good example of an intelligent person compartmentalizing logic and reason and not applying it to their religion.
You HAVE to quote-mine to take an encompassing theory out of the bible, because it contradicts itself. Every infanticidal genocidal xenophobic homophobic statement in the Old Testament is refuted by the New Testament. You must ignore the descriptions of Genesis-which for at least 1800 years have been taken literally-only because of empirical evidence has refuted that without a doubt. You cant take a book that was used literally throughout history and cry 'allegory' to make it so.
makes me really sad to see someone i had so much respect and admiration for.... make the same tragic excuses and deluded rationalisations as the cretins he is trying to educate..... actually feel like crying
I think you intended to say that Mark is the oldest of the four gospels. Most historians would date it around AD. 65, which is remarkably close to the actually event.
Think about the lifespan of your average Judean of that period. My money says that it was a lot shorter than 65, which would mean that anyone who was around when the events it described happened would have been dead before the book was ever written.
@gManKilla86 Well, Christ was crucified in AD.30, so some 30 to 35 years later (depending on when the gospel of Mark was written) would be the total span of time that had elapsed. Of course there were eyewitnesses still alive by that time. Did EVERYONE die before age 65? Do you realize that Christ wasn't crucified in 5 B.C)
@gManKilla86 Despite the fact that Christ wasn't crucified in 5 B.C, it is absurd to suggest that everyone who witnessed the event (both young and old) died before A.D 65. Was there some massive holocaust of the Jews and Romans who witnessed that event? What an erroneous argument. I am not sure if you're trying to give a serious argument or not, but either way, your response is ludicrous.
Christians don't even take their own book seriously. They pick and choose verses and adapt them to what is acceptable in society. And then they insist that they are right and all us non-believers are wrong.
because thats how alot of athiests act, they dont discuss their opinion in a respectful way, they try to insult and discriminate instead, causing their opinion to not matter, or be taken seriously at all.
Not really. I would guess that most of the low ratings are a result of the poverty of his arguments. Don is a brilliant guy, but he has compartmentalized his logic in a way that has kept reason from having a voice in his religious opinions.
As opposed to terrorists who couldn't have met Muhammad in person.
Dying for a cause doesn't necessarily legitimize it, in my opinion, but I would think that the people who claim to have interacted and follow this man for three years may be more adept at knowing if his claims and actions were legitimate than those living thousands of years after the fact.
It's just an opinion, though, take the opinion of a college EE major for what it's worth :)
Your views are very much in line with what I think and believe, for the reasons you've mentioned here. That includes your views on Evolution, Abiogenesis, and Creationism that you have expressed in other videos. Thank you for sharing your beliefs and why you have them (you mention how you are uncomfortable disusing them and are pretty much doing it for us.)
As for dlandon2000's argument below, I respectfully disagree. The disciples knew the historical Jesus, as opposed to the terrorists who...
The 9/11 terrorists died for thier beliefs therefore mohamed is real? That's just as flawed of an argument.
And again you've just assumed the bible events are actually real, you'd think an actual resurection event would be written down by more than just the people who believed it happend decades after the fact.
So living forever doesn't comfort you or do anything for your motivation? I doubt that very much, nor does the thought that evil will be punished? Again very unlikely.
@Aaronyman Actually there is no evidence anybody saw anything. People in the koran died for things the book CLAIMED they saw too!!! The point is it's just a story in a book (after endless revisions and translations).
Only a credulous fool would believe it without question.
There is NO objective credible evidence for any god or gods.
9/11 terrorists didn't have overriding reasons not to believe, whereas the disciples did. They wouldn't have made up the entire thing to die for it. There's no parallel with Islamic jihadists.
As for the second claim, no historian was present in Judea to record these events which you require to be recorded. Plus, silence doesn't demonstrate anything. Just because you expect some people to mention it doesn't mean it didn't happen because they don't.
@regelemihai Even if I accept your claim (which I don't) the founders of any new religion would have "overriding reasons not to believe" and many have died for that belief. Does that make them true? No it's still a flawed argument.
Anyone can record history as many have. No record of an event doesn't mean it's been disproven, I agree but You are trying to shift the burden of proof. You must provide positive evidence it's real and you can't do that so why would I assume it's true?
It is if it stands on its own, which it doesn't. But at face value, I can't see why it's a flawed argument.
I agree that positive evidence should be provided, which I think there is. Of course people will always judge such events with some kind of bias(both the theist and the atheist). It just depends if you're willing to entertain the thought that God exists.
@regelemihai the quran, the baghavagida, and the torah, all make similar claims with a similar lack of evidence. If you don't require evidence to believe one book why dismiss the others? The answer... geography, there is a reason religions are grouped by geography because they only propagate by indoctrination NOT by evidence and reason.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and you've provided none!
Well I simply disagree. The evidence for the resurrection is a lot more credible and historically sound than the oones in the Gita and the Torah. I can outline the evidence if you wish, but it will be tedious in a 500 charcater limit. I can give you some references and you can make the call yourself.
@regelemihai I used to believe it too and have investigated the "evidence" of which there is none. There is nothing except the bible which is not a credible source.
And for the record I do "entertain the idea" that a god can exist, I simply want evidence. In fact evidence is required otherwise you'll simply be guessing, or assuming what you've been taught is true (which is the case for the vast majority of theists).
"There is nothing except the bible which is not a credible source"
Yes it is credible. The evidence I'm talking about lies within the Gospel narratives, not in themselves. And to treat the Bible as if it were one source is misldeading. There was no such thing back then as "the Bible". All of the documents were written separately.
I do agree that evidence is necessary. That's why I encourage you to study it. Popular level books won't impress you that's why I'm saying you should delve...
@regelemihai None of the gospel authors are known, there are no originals, there are no corroborating texts from historical sources, some of the account is contradictory, it's morals are abhorrent, it's message contradictory and unclear...
That is all explained far more logically and consistently as the writings of primitive and ignorant bronze age humans than the infallible word of an all-mighty all-knowing and all-good god.
Actually they are. Just because they're anonymous doesn't make them apocryphal. Many ancient documents were anonymous. But even given this fact, it doesn't shake the foundation of what's being reported IN them.
"there are no originals"
This is a very weak objection. Most of ancient historical texts have no originals. The earliest copies of the NT have a time lapse of a century or two, whereas Roman historical works, like Tacitus's, date to...
"there are no corroborating texts from historical sources."
I dunno what other historical sources would exist when no histroians were present to report it. What's more, the NT texts are themselves histroical texts. You don't need to venture outside of it.
I also never claimed that the texts are infallible. The "bronze age" rhetoric is taken from Hitchens, if I'm not mistaken, which shows that you haven't been reading serious scholarship. I'm not picking...
...on you dude, but I'm just saying that your response is indicative of the same YT atheists who haven't really done much research in this subject. You need to read the case in favor before you can make such assertions. I read polemics against my religion with an open mind.
@regelemihai You aren't being open minded, you've already made up your mind. Is there anything that will change it? Obviously not if you think the bible is authoritative or reliable and based on evidence. And just because I like the "bronze age" quote doesn't mean he's all I've read. You made a classic logical fallicy there.
What are you talking about with the no historians claim? What nonsense... there were historians as long as there have been people.
"Obviously not if you think the bible is authoritative or reliable and based on evidence"
So if I dare assume the Bible is based on evidence I'm not open minded? The claim itself suffers from close mindedness :P
I like Hitchens too, very much actually. But I was just showing you that by using him as an authory you've demonstrated what I said about being open to other view points.
And my claim with respect to historians, I wasn't talking about them in general. I was refering to first...
@regelemihai It does matter what the text is claiming, because we can consider plato's logic as true or false regardless of whether plato really existed. The claims of he bible depend on actually events people being real. If they are just allegorical then we can dismiss them as immoral and barbaric.
You claimed you've read about the bible's many problems but still find it authoritative which can only mean you didn't understand them or your close minded.
@regelemihai And I never used hitchens as a authoritative source. And again there were historians of all kinds in all civilizations throughout written history. You don't need an official license to be a historian. My point with real historical examples (some of which are older that the bible) is that they have both evidence AND texts and from multiple sources.
@regelemihai The bible has none of that, it's a collection of non-contemporary writings which don't have supporting evidence or corroborating texts. Things like the mass slaughter by king herod would certainly have been documented by his enemies. But your trying to shift the burden of proof again, what is your evidence the bible is true? And you still can't use the bible to prove the bible. You don't seem to understand what circular logic is
Irrelevant. Contemporary references aren't by any stretch a necessity in establishing historicity. most of ancient history is recorded by contemporaries.
"supporting evidence or corroborating texts"
All the sources of the NT corroborate each other, most of whom are independent from one another. That is by far one of the best criterion for determining historicity.
@regelemihai The bible does reference some historical events (like cities attack, leaders born dying etc...) but that does NOT make the supernatural claims more likely or true. Just like the iliad/odyssey references a real war but that doesn't mean zeus is real. Or spiderman references New york but that doesn't mean spiderman is real.
" Things like the mass slaughter by king herod would certainly have been documented by his enemies."
Do you have evidence for this or are you just assuming? Events like the conquering of Palestine, and the defeat of Darius by Alexander the Great would also have to be documented by contemporaries yet not a single one is. All we know of him comes 400 years after he died.
"You don't seem to understand what circular logic is"
Circular logic is when you accept the conclusion before you do..
...the premise. How am I using circular reasoning? I rthink you're the one not getting it.
Using historical texts to establish an event is no more circular than you using Tacitus to establish events in Roman history. It's an absolute asinine comment.
"You've gone a step shorter and said the bible is true because the bible is true, which is a priori or fiat."
1:00 Far too many Christian cult leaders (usually of the New Apostolic Reformation and other totalitarian stripes) use the Parable of the Pounds to demand that the faithful bring in more non-Christians to convert. I know this, for I used to be a Boston Church of Christ (Kip-McKeanite) Christian.
EdM021 4 months ago
1) There is no evidence the disciples died for their beliefs. 2) The 9/11 hijackers died for Mohamed and that can be proven. 3) The New Testament defies as many physical laws as the Old Testament. 4) So, what's real?
fdasherv 5 months ago
If you would have looked around a bit before posting thoughtless comments, you would have read the comment from DonExodus2 saying that he is no longer a christian, saving you the embarrassment of looking like a fool.
justtryharder 8 months ago
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@dishonesttAbe Yo, check out his later videos, "Why I don't believe in god". He's seen the error in his ways.
LordRakton 9 months ago
You provide 3 reasons for accepting Jesus (and not "Zeus or Apollo") and all three are horrible.
1) Using Bible quotes -- this is obviously a bad way to go about things. You can't prove Jesus by using the Jesus book, sorry.
2) Subjective experiences -- these aren't going to convince anyone who is seriously pursuing the truth
3) It makes you happy -- again, that's not very convincing. Just because something makes you happy doesn't mean it is true.
dishonesttAbe 9 months ago
All things that exist are perfect eternal creations. There is only one you. 1/1=100%=the perfect you Regardless of the carnal imperfections or unrighteousness you perceive this is carnal perception, we do not have eternal perception. No matter what one does, it was ordained before the creation of time that which would be done. Whatever happens or exists is eternal perfection despite our inability to understand matters eternal.
ReligionlessFAITH 9 months ago
@ReligionlessFAITH You said, "All things that exist are perfect eternal creations Regardless of the carnal IMPERFECTIONS." I seriously hope you are not over 13 years old. Because anyone over 13 should've been taught what a contradiction or oxymoron means. Did you eat mushrooms one day, listen to Abert Einstein speaking about the galaxies and think to yourself...AHHH the only thing that matters is in eternity? Just asking. Is God so weak that he cannot reveal his character to us?
JAKEHARRIS281 9 months ago
@JAKEHARRIS281 There is a difference between ETERNAL perfection and carally perceived perfection.. if you don't understand that, then you delimit our omniscient Creator to carnal status. Seriously...do you think you can define that which Created us? If the answer is yes, then you equate your finite carnal intellect to an eternal intelligence. If the answer is no, then you must agree that all religions are attempts to define an indefinable eternal Creator. Try reading precisely
ReligionlessFAITH 9 months ago
@ReligionlessFAITH do you know that the reason Jesus came is to reveal that One to us? Don't you know that's why He's called the "exact image of God" and that "all the fullness of the Godhood dwells in Him bodily"? It's not necessary for us to have an unlimited mind or to fathom deep secrets, but only to understand WHO God is, and to see WHY He is Who He is. Do you understand what I mean by that? To know His name and to be like Him, to serve Him and love Him as He loved us.
krononomikon 8 months ago
@krononomikon I can't put words in the mouth of our Creator and say that I know why Jesus came, other than the universal reason for which everyone gets here. I do know there are 15-20 virgin births in the usa daily. If you define virgin birth by a pregnat woman with an intact hymen delivering baby...a virgin birth. Yes it happens.
If you define prophet as someone arrogant enough to think they can use carnal intellect to decipher eternal wisdom, then yes, it happens... alot, especially in bibl
ReligionlessFAITH 8 months ago
@krononomikon Sorry, I have but a carnal intellect, I can not decipher eternal words. This is how I was created due to the temporal nature to which we are bound. All the words in the bible are of our carnal vocabulary. We can't even see our enitre universe, how vastly inferior are we to the intellect which created our temporal condition? I was created too humble to believe I can understand eternal truth because we can't know all things past, present and future. We can only know the present
ReligionlessFAITH 8 months ago
@ReligionlessFAITH the difference between carnal and spiritual thinking, although divided by somewhat of a "great gulf", isn't drawn by those lines. Whoever has the Spirit is being revealed those things which are above internally. It's like how you can't tell someone what "sweet" tastes like unless they've had sugar or good fruit. In the same way, you can't tell someone what is spiritually discerned without them knowing the Spirit. However, saying it's impossible for you to ever be shown.. :|
krononomikon 8 months ago
@krononomikon lol ... EVERYONE exists as spirit in the eternal realm... you can not "obtain" spiritual existence in this temporal reality. The proof of this lies in the understanding of eternity which is all things past PRESENT and future existing in a timeless state. We exist in time, it is the present. The present could not exist if it were not part of eternity. We could not exist if we did not also have eternal existence. A carnal mind can't know eternal truth for lack of timelessness.
ReligionlessFAITH 8 months ago
@krononomikon Some of us are created with the ability to ASSUME we can know things eternal. This is an arrogance given to some people to be reflected to their eternal spirit, of its eternal arrogant nature, and may result in contentment for that spirit so it can self-justify its eternal post. Sorry, I, like all other humans was created with a humbleness many of us forget to use. I know that I am carnal and that I can not know things eternal while in this temporal reality. Only God "KNOWS"!
ReligionlessFAITH 8 months ago
@krononomikon Sugar and fruit exist in our reality and we have access to them so we can learn about their nature. We do not have access to eternal intellect, nor do we understand eternal vocabularies. We exist in the present, the aspects of most past and all future knowledge are not at our disposal in this reality. People had not been to the moon before 1969, but many had imagined it and the resulting stories were far from truth. Similarly people can imagine the eternal and fictionalize.
ReligionlessFAITH 8 months ago
@ReligionlessFAITH Don't think that you're immune to fictionalizing. Don't forget that you claim that you can't know, yet you claim that others can't know... see how that works? It's fine and well to say that you don't know, because you know that you don't know - yet saying that "no one can know" and that you also don't know, that's putting a yoke on people not meant to be there.
krononomikon 8 months ago
@krononomikon To say 1) that we all have spirit and are essentially eternal in part of us, and 2) that we are only carnal-minded and cannot possibly comprehend (no matter what we're told, because we have flesh and blood minds) anything from God (as is suggested by "eternal"), then there is also a problem there. For instance, how do you know that you are spirit, and that you are eternal? Reasoning is all right, but if you're going on that, you can't discount other reasoning, right?
krononomikon 8 months ago
@krononomikon Mind you, I'm not talking about things pertaining to a limitless mind with incomprehensible intellectual facilities, but a SPIRITUAL mind, facilitated by the Spirit and His way of thinking. If you're looking at it Biblically, we are promised that in God, and also that it's revealed by the Spirit. Those that actually experience this kind of revelation by the Spirit, they also shouldn't be discounted in favor of philosophy.
krononomikon 8 months ago
@krononomikon If you want my philosophy on time and eternity, then I perceive eternity as the persistent state, and being true time, and "time" as some call it, being the measure by which things change, which can be altered by affecting various points in their makeup. For instance, "time" can seem to slow down when things are affected in one way or another, but that doesn't, in reality, change the constant persistence of eternity that is going on.
krononomikon 8 months ago
@krononomikon It's like those who have reported being shown things in a vision, and in dreams and pictures being shown spiritual truth like looking at a man through the bottom of a soda bottle, darkly and blurred and distorted. However, for those who come to know God, God is indeed revealed to them, and they understand the types of things that await them. God has always proved Who He is by what He does, and He says that whoever glories should glory in that they know Him.
krononomikon 8 months ago
@krononomikon The problem with your reasoning is that you ASSUME you have access to your spiritual mind from your carnal state. There is no evidence of this. We can use axiomatic logic to prove an indefinable infinitely more perfect than our understanding of perfection, omniscient, Creator. Anything more that is said about our Creator or His word, His will, His plan, is speculation. We can build FAITH in our omniscient Creator. We can also go too far and build faith in carnal words.
ReligionlessFAITH 8 months ago
@krononomikon I am not immune to fiction. I openly admit anything I speculate or conjecture about matters eternal is pure speculation and conjecture. Some people are not able to admit this. Some people KNOW they speculate, and label their speculation as truth. Thats putting a yoke on all the people who believe speculative carnal words placed int the mouth of an eternal God. ALL carnal words ARE carnal words. We DON'T know ANY eternal words, the language is beyond carnal capability.
ReligionlessFAITH 8 months ago
An omniscient creator passes judgement BEFORE creating. Believing the Creator must wait to see what we do to pass judgement denies the very omniscience we should build faith in. Believing in the existence of satan also DENIES omniscience, not to mention that people who believe in satan are SATANISTS! Yup, all religionists are satanists, sorry. I killed satan years ago. Religionists keep this carnal invention alive in their minds because their religion requires them to be satanists.
ReligionlessFAITH 9 months ago
Carnal words placed in the mouth of a perfect omniscient Creator reduce eternal perfection to carnal imperfection, no matter how inspired. Carnal intellect can not help but to define the eternal. We can't even define infinity... how much less can we define past infinity to future infinity all existing in an ifinitessimally small increment of time such that time = 0. Definition of the Creator DESTROYS perfection and omniscience with tainted carnal intellect. My faith is with eternal perfection
ReligionlessFAITH 9 months ago
So this video was legit before you de-converted?
gotitans999 11 months ago
Just one note: the first historical gospel is Mark one, not Matthew, in rest is really interesting what you wrote
ciplogic 1 year ago
nice
mcSHTT 1 year ago
Is this before or after your atheist video?
2112Primemover 1 year ago
I believe in god but everytime I tell someone that they instantly start babling about the bible and other shit that makes no sense trying to tell me god doesnt exist. whats wrong with believeing in god. And thank you for explaining that the bible was wrote by man and has been passed for years. U r a smart man
j187killa 1 year ago
@j187killa
whats wrong with believing in god? it isn't true. why do you believe in god but not elvs?
JoshMufc101 1 year ago
@JoshMufc101 No one said that elves were not real I dont get your point
j187killa 1 year ago
@j187killa
well the evidence for elvs is the same for god, 0. no proof. t
JoshMufc101 1 year ago
@JoshMufc101 There are eye accounts of leprechauns in Ireland.... I dont know what your looking for. your belief in nothing is just as strong as mine in something, they cancel each other out
j187killa 1 year ago
@j187killa
"There are eye accounts of leprechauns in Ireland" LMAO... please please please tell me your a troll? you honestly think there is a possibility that leprechauns exist? please i'd love to see these eye accounts send me the links. oh and i live about 100miles away from ireland and i've never heard anything. i believe that there isn't a god because of no evidence. they don't cancel each other out at all. you're an idiot.
JoshMufc101 1 year ago
@JoshMufc101 Oh and why dont you get a really big net go to ireland and document ur adventure to prove that leprachauns do not exist and i will shut up. dont beileve evrything you see on tv euro man
j187killa 1 year ago
@j187killa
"dont beileve evrything you see on tv euro man" i don't! i've never seen a leprachaun documentary because nobody would be soo fucking stupid as to make one. you're a fucking retard.
JoshMufc101 1 year ago
@JoshMufc101 Whoa hairy euro man you did not have to send me a personal message of hate. Anywho not life 15 billion yrs ago, I meant the universe. I am also sorry for spelling things wrong. I didnt break out my Websters Dick.SHAH.nary before I wrote this. So I am gonna go gvie some money to the poor and praise my Jesus. You can shave your Hairy euro chest get your Smurf net 2 prove me wrong and remeber nothingn happens when u die Atheist! hahaha
j187killa 1 year ago
@j187killa
"Whoa hairy euro man" you're fucking american, you people are fat as fuck and stupid, you couldn't even spell science. remember what language you speak, english. "you did not have to send me a personal message of hate" read the message, i corrected your stupid mistakes that's all.
JoshMufc101 1 year ago
@j187killa There is no evidence that proves a god doesnt exist. People like jus ramble on about sience and all kinds of other nonsense, bullshit. So in your eyes I guess we all jus poped out of a tiny partical 15 billion years ago becasue that makes so much sense and can be totally proved (which it hasnt, there is only speculation with ur beloved hadron collider). so if people wanna beileve in leprachauns or even smurfs who are you to say thier not real
j187killa 1 year ago
You made me happy. :)
CanYouResistMetal 1 year ago
Make your bed .....
squarzzz 1 year ago
if you truly turned away then you were never really a christian meaning that you wouldn't get all that you were expecting
stepharnos 1 year ago
Hi DonExodus2. Are you still a christian? If not, what made you turn away from the Lord?
MrVictius 1 year ago
I hear God speaking to me in the same way, its not an actual voice, its more of an over-whealming feeling that opens your eyes to the truth about life. Faith helps this gift to grow, and the more faith u have, the farther you can take it. I NEVER thought i would become a rapper, but my song is playing on MTV "IF YOU REALLY KNEW ME" and VH1's "BROOKE KNOWS BEST" i see a clear vision of my purpose and mission for God. and it has nothing to do with music, music is just A tool to be used
LiLChInK407 1 year ago
If you read this comment Don, could you tell me what was your reasoning was when you were a Christian for the fact that in near-death experiences every religious person always sees the deity of their religion and never the deity of another, e.g. Hindus see Vishnu and never Jesus while Christians always see Jesus and never Vishnu.
mikerodeman 1 year ago
As to "living by the gospel", let's take a look at Jesus' philosophy, shall we?
1. don't mind tomorrow
2. live the present
3. Don't plan for the hard days. God will provide.
4. Abandon your family
5. Sell your possessions
6. Follow me.
Do you agree with all this? Do you honestly think the world would be a better place if people lived by this philosophy?
fernbap 1 year ago 7
@fernbap In John 6 Christ said his words are SPIRITUAL. For example he doesn't want you to sell everything you have but rather put God above materialism. Why are you paraphrasing? Quote the verses. I don't recall him every saying "live in the present, or don't plan for the hard days."
JAKEHARRIS281 10 months ago
@JAKEHARRIS281 hogwash Matt 19:16-23 This is a COMMANDMENT Jesus made.. to sell one's posessions, give to the poor, and live within His commune a prerequisite for eternal life!
ReligionlessFAITH 9 months ago
@ReligionlessFAITH You are looking at this with a physical and not spiritual perspective. Jesus did COMMAND that if our eye offends us to PLUCK IT OUT and cast it from us to enter into life. Does Jesus want us to LITERALLY cut out our eye? NO! As I said in John 6:63 he said "my words are SPIRITUAL........" Our PHYSICAL eye does NOT sin, but rather as CHRIST said "out of the heart proceeds lust. We are to SPIRITUALLY cut the sin out of our hearts not PHYSICALLY.
JAKEHARRIS281 9 months ago
@JAKEHARRIS281 I know this. ALL religions define God .. his word, his will, his name, how to worship ...ALL religions DEFINE that which is eternal. Infinity can not be defined. Eternity can not be defined. The moment you define God, you replace eternal perfection with finite carnal vocabulary, intellect, knowledge, etc. Eternal perfection is lost, the moment we define God. My faith is in eternal omniscient perfection, not in carnal words plcaed in God's mouth tainting eternal truth.
ReligionlessFAITH 9 months ago
@ReligionlessFAITH Seems to me that you don't believe in an omnipotent BEING. Seems like you want to replace the Creator with the concept of "endlessness" which doesn't necessarily have anthing to do with Gods character, righteousness, law, or who and what God the Father is. Time and Endlessness is what God created. Putting more emphasis on endlessness than God is clearly idolatry. We are to focus on the Creator not what he created.
JAKEHARRIS281 9 months ago
@JAKEHARRIS281 oh my faith is exclusively built on omniscient perfection, and anything that would define this would taint my faith. There is a reason the Creator doesn't walk among us in plain sight. It would steal from us the freedom to choose to believe in His perfection and omniscience. It seems to me focusing on carnal inventions like "satan" "judgement" and carnal words in the mouth of eternal perfection is the idolatry.
The fact that you wrote what you wrote was pre-ordained.
ReligionlessFAITH 9 months ago
@JAKEHARRIS281 You see, all eternally inspired thought, is understood by temporal intellect, no one has eternal intellect. Then when such thoughts are translated by carnal words, these thoughts are further tainted by carnality. Then when those tainted words are interpreted by another carnal mind, very little eternal truth can be left.
ReligionlessFAITH 9 months ago
@fernbap Jesus is not physically on the earth to physically follow Him (he's physically in heaven). However, when He told Peter to "follow me", he was talking about the manner in which Peter would die. Because of the apostles DOING this, the testimony of Jesus was spread around the world, and we have a good testimony. Because of their testimony being spread around the world, men can hear and thus SEEK God and His kingdom, especially through the one Who reveals Him fully, Jesus Christ...
krononomikon 8 months ago
@krononomikon ...understand the context, who Jesus was talking to, and why. Why don't worry about tomorrow, live in the present, and don't plan for hard days, knowing that God will provide? Those things are necessary to take on somewhat of a "kamikaze" mission as the "foolishness to the world" as preaching is, in the manner that they preached, being hunted and killed by ruthless thugs. Abandoning your family is not what that means, but rather caring more about Him than them, because He also
krononomikon 8 months ago
@krononomikon He also said that whoever starts building a structure first counts the cost. If you're not willing to "hate" or "abandon" your family, then don't go out looking to serve God to the death. However, if you are willing to follow Jesus (to the Cross), then you're going to have to give up hopes for escaping death and running to your family when times get tough, and they'll have to understand where you're going too. Selling your stuff is for the poor people, and following Him = cross
krononomikon 8 months ago
@krononomikon in summary, those who were actually called and chosen for the duty of doing the Lord's work of harvesting in such a manner and being fishers of men, these did do those commands of Jesus, and it did make the world a better place. Not that it makes the world better, but it brings people out of "the world". As far as those who fight and bicker over it, these are those who are still of the world, and they fight because of selfishness, not for serving the One True God
krononomikon 8 months ago
speaking of which, what do you mean, DonExodus2, that you're not a Christian anymore? Not a believer at all? If so, what happened? :(
krononomikon 8 months ago
@fernbap you have misinterpreted what the Bible says
1. Don't WORRY about the fears of tomorrow. He will take care of it.
2. Live not in fear or regret, but in thanks for the blessings of today.
3. Trust that God will make a way and prepare a good future.
4. Love your brothers and sisters. Honor your father and mother.
5. Give 10% of your earnings to the needy.
6. Follow Christ and trust in him.
what's wrong with that?
itsmeCyNtHiA1998 3 months ago
@itsmeCyNtHiA1998 good one :)
InEverySunset 2 months ago
@InEverySunset Thank you :)
itsmeCyNtHiA1998 2 months ago
#2
Xians usually have 3 different interpretations of hell;
1. Separation from god.
2. Final & permanent death.
3. eternal torment.
The one irreconcilable thing for me is a Hell of eternal torment & a loving god!
As U know, Hell (#3) isn't mentioned in the OT. Since salvation is the supposed key, I'd expect that hell would be made very clear. We only hear about hell after the Babylonian captivity.
I believe men created it along with everything else in scripture. Loving God & hell make no sense.
Cootabux 1 year ago
Don, I'm confused. You take some parts of scripture as true & literal, & others as not. How do you know which is which? If there's one error or contradiction in it, then how can we believe any of it?
Here's ultimately why I don't believe the bible is the word of any god. It is overwhelmingly confusing & impossible to interpret. If an all knowing god gave us a book to live by, I'd at least expect it to be clear & concise to everyone...at the very least! Christianity has caused so much death!
Cootabux 1 year ago
Who was the ruler Sam was talking about.
I've found many verses where god "is" telling the Hebrews to kill every 1 of their enemies. Women & children. I'm sorry but r u saying that these commands weren't attributed to god (Yahweh)?
I agree that it isn't literal. I see it as men writing scripture without any help from any god. Yahweh was an evil figure as it is portrayed in scripture.
yes...big diff. between the OT & NT! Different authors, mindset, and different times. God would be consistent!
Cootabux 1 year ago
Jesus appeared to 500 people?
Why didn't any one of these leave something in writing?
The claim was made "after the fact" and so distant from the event that no one could go and actually ask any of these 500.
So the writer was safe in making the claim.
The claim could not be tested.
And who could they actually ask?
No names were given.
gjsterp 1 year ago
It's nice to know that you do not take the Bible literally.
But you must know that many people do and would argue with you.
If the Bible is allegorical, why believe in it, why not believe in the Gita, or Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead?
I mean what makes one allegory "truth" and another myth?
You have some thinking to do...
gjsterp 1 year ago
Carl Sagan.
borgimplant 1 year ago
Christianity may not give you the 'warm fuzzies', no.
What it does give you is a way to never really die.
Skindoggiedog 1 year ago
@Skindoggiedog Which is why Im no longer a Christian.
DonExodus2 1 year ago 11
@DonExodus2 - "Which is why Im no longer a Christian."
Ahh. Didn't know that.
Gotta say, man, I really enjoy your videos. I've actually learnt quite a deal from you and I love the way you go about it. Paraphrasing Dawkins: 'Biology is interesting and if you don't like it you can 'fuck off''
As a layman in the field I've found your videos probably the best (at least the most easily digestible) source of knowledge I've come across so far when it comes to biology/evolution.
Skindoggiedog 1 year ago
@DonExodus2 - But you're still a theist/deist?
Skindoggiedog 1 year ago
@Skindoggiedog Not anymore!
ChazzyJoe 1 year ago
@DonExodus2 And thank g.... oh wait. Thank goodness for that!!
Jason29n 1 year ago
@DonExodus2 ur a fucking retard
wrighb10 9 months ago
@DonExodus2 Is not the rejection of simplistic Christianity and the replacing of it with a personal belief in God - separated from critique according to the reasons you gave in the first video - just the same thing with all the most obviously ludicrous parts removed? Is it not also maintained by the same argument of it not being able to be empirically disproved, thus it is thought 'immune' from critique as a personal belief?
nakedmambo 5 months ago
@Skindoggiedog There is no way to escape death - yet. Its nice to have something thats comforting to make you think you can but you cant. Its a fairy tale to scare/comfort people with the best risk/reward system ever thought up.
epanek 1 year ago
Don, I love you man, but next time make your bed before you take your meds.
mccafferty697 1 year ago
@Skindoggiedog I love how you qualify your statement with the word "really". Even YOU know it's not true.
nycgroove1 1 year ago
@nycgroove1 - "I love how you qualify your statement with the word "really". Even YOU know it's not true."
Of course I know it's not true. I'm an atheist and always have been.
The point I was making was that the only justification anyone has for believing in it (aside from delusional experience) is for it's utility in dealing with unpleasant thoughts about our own mortality
So, your assumption was an incorrect one, which makes your 'insight' into my comment no insight at all.
Skindoggiedog 1 year ago
Dude. You keep justifying your beliefs with 'that solves the problem of ..'
To go from utility to actual belief is not something you can really justify rationally when you have no evidence to support it.
Skindoggiedog 1 year ago
"We know more about god now than we did 3000 years ago" - Entertaining the thought does not seem rational at all to me.
A long time ago we 'knew' hundreds of things about god. We 'knew' how he controlled the weather, we 'knew' how he made every creature perfectly fit it's environment, we 'knew' so many more things than we 'know' now. In fact, do we actually know ANYTHING about a god now?
No, the only thing we know more of now is what god is not.
Skindoggiedog 1 year ago
You cannot possibly be making the case that because some miraculous event was written down soon after it was claimed to have happened AT THIS TIME IN HISTORY that it actually adds to it's veracity. The lore of the people of the time was infested with the most ridiculous notions, and ignorance about the natural world ruled on high, so it didn't really matter WHEN someone from that time wrote "A witch shot laser beams out of her ass and melted the equatorial ice caps" - it's still a load of crap.
Skindoggiedog 1 year ago
I agree almost 100% with what your saying, your a smart dude.
Archi7ect 1 year ago
you could say he is useing his intelligence to explain away the inconsistencies in the bible, or you could say we understand god better.
91jgphonecall 1 year ago
hmm, i noticed that although he says he doesnt believe in god or christianity because it gives him comfort, he says the exact opposite at the end of the video.
riteguard22 1 year ago
I strongly suggest you go read books about the historical compilation of the Bible, Bart D Ehrman is probably the best popular writer on this subject. His twin books Misquoting Jesus and Jesus, Interrupted are great reading and cover the topic fully. If you're as big an advocate of reasoning as you say you are then you owe it to yourself.
MaxxPower101 1 year ago
thanks for doing this!
kapa1611 1 year ago
I gave this video a thumbs up but I do have a problem with the statement that the new testament was compiled 10 years after his death which is a little misleading. Unless you didn't mean that the entire new testament was compiled 10 years after his death. I don't want to accidentally straw-man your argument or anything.
esplin227 1 year ago
what a narrow minded evolution supporter, no religion offers that? what? leap out of the circularity and expand the idea of a good life man. christian arrogance!
unsatura 1 year ago
why are there soooo many thumbs down? I mean I personally don't believe in god but it's still a good video. It makes you think.
Reaper84848 1 year ago
Do you pray?
ispaniola 1 year ago
I am italian and roman catholic, and i strongly believe we'll have another chance to accept Jesus as our saviour after physical death. And the previous Pope, John Paul II, said once "Hell exists, but it's empty". If a human father can forgive ANYTHING, even betrayal and murder, to his own son, imagine what a mercyfull Father could forgive. Thank you for making your videos :-)
scentedhoneysuckle 1 year ago
Its very paradoxical for an atheist like me, though in truth i am agnostic to separate the lucid evidence led DonExodus from the DonExodus of faith. I am pleased you are able to reconcile your faith with reason.. I may be wrong but it seems to me that apologetics is a rather pointless activity. It is an attempt to replace faith with certainty, rather than faith as certainty so it undermines its own rationale. Ultimately you believe, i don't, no special clauses then we are on an equal footing.
ooglebydoogleby 1 year ago
So If Don here was born in Pakistan or India and was brought up with a Muslim/Hindu teachings would he be a Christian?? No, he would probably be making a video telling people why he thinks Mohammed is a prophet etc. Religion is stupid.
Although I don't confuse religion with the afterlife because I believe that there is in fact a supernatural afterlife for subjective personal reasons. I just think all religions around today are so ridiculous that they haven't even come close to touching it.
JolleyEFC 1 year ago
Is God masochistic to say that he died to satisfy himself?
20033716 1 year ago
The reason i dont believe in god is because i think scripture is nonsence it realy has no link to the reality of history. Religion is just a bureaucracy hiding behind god that uses scripture semantics and apologetics to scatter the issues so people are distracted from the truth of it been a load of hocus pocus. Ofc litral religion is wrong but the same process used to dismiss literalism is exactly the same thing used to dismiss all religion, moderates just cant or wont see it.
Andyrude666 1 year ago
Make your friggin bed!
hideousgrog 2 years ago
Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
ratab1n 2 years ago
nope. Don't believe. And not only that, but it just doesn't make any sense. There are millions of people who lived before Jesus, how could it be go to hell when they had really no choice in the matter? If an eternal hell exists, this is really one poorly designed universe.
ratab1n 2 years ago
Well, if there is a hell, it's temporary one. Did you watch the video? the whole bible's message is about being good and having mercy. How is Hell merciful?
ratab1n 2 years ago
Good job with this video; however, I do not share you view as I'm an atheist, I do respect them.
The world would be a much better place if everyone was an atheist or at least thought like DonExodus.
igotsachubby 2 years ago
I thought Mark was the first written Gospel.
bighugejake 2 years ago
You might want to look at how the new testament came about.
TheoKluges 2 years ago
I hate it that these videos have three stars while the rest have five. He is explaining his views and not trying to convince anyone. Grow up.
TheCritRocket 2 years ago 15
@TheCritRocket Most people (atheists included) only like points that support theirs. Even if this video isn't about his true beliefs, I commend him greatly for building valid points from ideas that contradict his.
DylanGalvinMusic 1 year ago
@DylanGalvinMusic well we dont censore. we just say that we dont find your argument compelign or convising. do you want points from not knowing. still i think that he has every rigth to expres him self. i dont dislike him or hes aregument. i just find that the points he gets are given for the validity of arguments. i still likes hes videos. and like him and i like that he speaks what he belives. with peace, form atheist.
gooddarkjedi 1 year ago
I believe that jesus was a historical person, the reason for this is that many civilsations and religions has written about this man that is nearly identical to jesus. but i dont believe taht he was supernatural. he may just have been a philosopher of love and even socialism(if you look what he stand for)
DrowningArt94 2 years ago
It appears your views have shifted since making this video.
My guess is that it's more the result of dealing with creationists, than anything else.
coladict 2 years ago
"We know more about god now then we did 3000 years ago" 3:43
I don't think that anybody can justifiably claim to know the nature of a non physical being separate from our space and time that refuses to show itself in any form that would allow for us to properly analyze and observe it. Not 3000 years ago, not now, not 3000 years from now.
lanakila08 2 years ago
Yes - "refuses to show itself". God is hiding.
8DX 2 years ago
"The Gospels on the other hand, which aren't to be taken allegorically ... " 2:37
So just to clarify, I shouldn't be confused when Matthew's writing a biography of Jesus to the best of his knowledge, and throws in a bombshell about the dead walking the earth in Jerusalem? And what, every other historian living in the area at the time didn't consider it to be worthy of notice?
And so what if the apostles were willing to be martyred? If that's how you determine truth, then Islam has you beat.
lanakila08 2 years ago
There weren't many historians in that area at that time =).. Even less intact manuscripts from then.
Good point about Islam.. but you should back it up.
8DX 2 years ago
On your final point you say that a lot of the teachings will lead to a happier life and the world being a better place. Well, that's nice but now you already know those ideas and why not simply take them as their own, seperate things? Many people/characters, both real and fictional, have good lessons to teach that can be followed without calling oneself a follower of that specific person. I.e. I believe respecting all life is a beneficial way of life without being a jain
technologysucks 2 years ago
I disagree that if god exists we know more about him/her/they/it. If a god/gods exist I think that all that has accumulated about them/it over the millenia is countless contradicting and sometimes ugly rumors and gossip. It's like high school gossip about that 1 kid no one knows anything about, but imagine if that chatter went on for millenia. How wrong would common idea of that quiet kid few have spoken to be? How many guesses would've been repeated so often people forget they're not facts?
technologysucks 2 years ago
i might not agree with you, but i respect your opinion. love your science vids
shorty962 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
fuck all atheists and fuck anyone who supports them
itsnobody 2 years ago
same to you
ckolic 2 years ago
No matter what you believe I applaud you for being a good example of how evolution is not a proponent of atheism. Your videos are very well done and educational especially for believers to realize that its okay to accept facts of science and believe in their dieties. Kudos for posting these.
morticianmatt1 2 years ago 4
Are you going to ignore slaying homosexuals in the Bible? Stoning many different people in the commandments? Of course, and you will take as literal the things you like. How is it that anybody knows more about something that is not there? This is a good example of an intelligent person compartmentalizing logic and reason and not applying it to their religion.
camino1ca 2 years ago
You HAVE to quote-mine to take an encompassing theory out of the bible, because it contradicts itself. Every infanticidal genocidal xenophobic homophobic statement in the Old Testament is refuted by the New Testament. You must ignore the descriptions of Genesis-which for at least 1800 years have been taken literally-only because of empirical evidence has refuted that without a doubt. You cant take a book that was used literally throughout history and cry 'allegory' to make it so.
Haeravon 2 years ago
makes me really sad to see someone i had so much respect and admiration for.... make the same tragic excuses and deluded rationalisations as the cretins he is trying to educate..... actually feel like crying
mylkTV 2 years ago
I think you intended to say that Mark is the oldest of the four gospels. Most historians would date it around AD. 65, which is remarkably close to the actually event.
astronomer747 2 years ago 2
Think about the lifespan of your average Judean of that period. My money says that it was a lot shorter than 65, which would mean that anyone who was around when the events it described happened would have been dead before the book was ever written.
gManKilla86 2 years ago
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astronomer747 1 year ago
@gManKilla86 Well, Christ was crucified in AD.30, so some 30 to 35 years later (depending on when the gospel of Mark was written) would be the total span of time that had elapsed. Of course there were eyewitnesses still alive by that time. Did EVERYONE die before age 65? Do you realize that Christ wasn't crucified in 5 B.C)
astronomer747 1 year ago
@gManKilla86 Despite the fact that Christ wasn't crucified in 5 B.C, it is absurd to suggest that everyone who witnessed the event (both young and old) died before A.D 65. Was there some massive holocaust of the Jews and Romans who witnessed that event? What an erroneous argument. I am not sure if you're trying to give a serious argument or not, but either way, your response is ludicrous.
astronomer747 1 year ago
Your God is false. In the end you will be bought before Zues for judgement. And you will burn in Hades.
PlainsofWar 2 years ago
Christians don't even take their own book seriously. They pick and choose verses and adapt them to what is acceptable in society. And then they insist that they are right and all us non-believers are wrong.
CanadiaNecro1 2 years ago
why are your ratings so bad? your video is fine
bballsmileygirl2 2 years ago
Mixture of Militant Atheists, Creationists & People who subconsciously hit 1 star on every video.
Udany147 2 years ago
because thats how alot of athiests act, they dont discuss their opinion in a respectful way, they try to insult and discriminate instead, causing their opinion to not matter, or be taken seriously at all.
stickypopciclesticks 2 years ago
Not really. I would guess that most of the low ratings are a result of the poverty of his arguments. Don is a brilliant guy, but he has compartmentalized his logic in a way that has kept reason from having a voice in his religious opinions.
gManKilla86 2 years ago
Not toeing the party line.
spinhook888 2 years ago
As opposed to terrorists who couldn't have met Muhammad in person.
Dying for a cause doesn't necessarily legitimize it, in my opinion, but I would think that the people who claim to have interacted and follow this man for three years may be more adept at knowing if his claims and actions were legitimate than those living thousands of years after the fact.
It's just an opinion, though, take the opinion of a college EE major for what it's worth :)
gunshow32 2 years ago
Your views are very much in line with what I think and believe, for the reasons you've mentioned here. That includes your views on Evolution, Abiogenesis, and Creationism that you have expressed in other videos. Thank you for sharing your beliefs and why you have them (you mention how you are uncomfortable disusing them and are pretty much doing it for us.)
As for dlandon2000's argument below, I respectfully disagree. The disciples knew the historical Jesus, as opposed to the terrorists who...
gunshow32 2 years ago
The 9/11 terrorists died for thier beliefs therefore mohamed is real? That's just as flawed of an argument.
And again you've just assumed the bible events are actually real, you'd think an actual resurection event would be written down by more than just the people who believed it happend decades after the fact.
So living forever doesn't comfort you or do anything for your motivation? I doubt that very much, nor does the thought that evil will be punished? Again very unlikely.
dlandon2000 2 years ago 7
@dlandon2000 Muhammad is real, Allah is the one who they believe is real.
carfoogle 1 year ago
@dlandon2000 wow, what a retarded post.
the terrorists died for something they believed was true from a book. the disciples and early Christians died for what they ACTUALLY saw.
Aaronyman 1 year ago
@Aaronyman Actually there is no evidence anybody saw anything. People in the koran died for things the book CLAIMED they saw too!!! The point is it's just a story in a book (after endless revisions and translations).
Only a credulous fool would believe it without question.
There is NO objective credible evidence for any god or gods.
dlandon2000 1 year ago
@dlandon2000
9/11 terrorists didn't have overriding reasons not to believe, whereas the disciples did. They wouldn't have made up the entire thing to die for it. There's no parallel with Islamic jihadists.
As for the second claim, no historian was present in Judea to record these events which you require to be recorded. Plus, silence doesn't demonstrate anything. Just because you expect some people to mention it doesn't mean it didn't happen because they don't.
regelemihai 1 year ago
@regelemihai Even if I accept your claim (which I don't) the founders of any new religion would have "overriding reasons not to believe" and many have died for that belief. Does that make them true? No it's still a flawed argument.
Anyone can record history as many have. No record of an event doesn't mean it's been disproven, I agree but You are trying to shift the burden of proof. You must provide positive evidence it's real and you can't do that so why would I assume it's true?
dlandon2000 1 year ago
"No it's still a flawed argument."
It is if it stands on its own, which it doesn't. But at face value, I can't see why it's a flawed argument.
I agree that positive evidence should be provided, which I think there is. Of course people will always judge such events with some kind of bias(both the theist and the atheist). It just depends if you're willing to entertain the thought that God exists.
regelemihai 1 year ago
@regelemihai the quran, the baghavagida, and the torah, all make similar claims with a similar lack of evidence. If you don't require evidence to believe one book why dismiss the others? The answer... geography, there is a reason religions are grouped by geography because they only propagate by indoctrination NOT by evidence and reason.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and you've provided none!
dlandon2000 1 year ago
Well I simply disagree. The evidence for the resurrection is a lot more credible and historically sound than the oones in the Gita and the Torah. I can outline the evidence if you wish, but it will be tedious in a 500 charcater limit. I can give you some references and you can make the call yourself.
regelemihai 1 year ago
@regelemihai I used to believe it too and have investigated the "evidence" of which there is none. There is nothing except the bible which is not a credible source.
And for the record I do "entertain the idea" that a god can exist, I simply want evidence. In fact evidence is required otherwise you'll simply be guessing, or assuming what you've been taught is true (which is the case for the vast majority of theists).
dlandon2000 1 year ago
"There is nothing except the bible which is not a credible source"
Yes it is credible. The evidence I'm talking about lies within the Gospel narratives, not in themselves. And to treat the Bible as if it were one source is misldeading. There was no such thing back then as "the Bible". All of the documents were written separately.
I do agree that evidence is necessary. That's why I encourage you to study it. Popular level books won't impress you that's why I'm saying you should delve...
regelemihai 1 year ago
...into serious scholarship. And trust me there's plenty. You just have to look for it.
regelemihai 1 year ago
@regelemihai None of the gospel authors are known, there are no originals, there are no corroborating texts from historical sources, some of the account is contradictory, it's morals are abhorrent, it's message contradictory and unclear...
That is all explained far more logically and consistently as the writings of primitive and ignorant bronze age humans than the infallible word of an all-mighty all-knowing and all-good god.
dlandon2000 1 year ago
"None of the gospel authors are known"
Actually they are. Just because they're anonymous doesn't make them apocryphal. Many ancient documents were anonymous. But even given this fact, it doesn't shake the foundation of what's being reported IN them.
"there are no originals"
This is a very weak objection. Most of ancient historical texts have no originals. The earliest copies of the NT have a time lapse of a century or two, whereas Roman historical works, like Tacitus's, date to...
regelemihai 1 year ago
...700 years after he died.
"there are no corroborating texts from historical sources."
I dunno what other historical sources would exist when no histroians were present to report it. What's more, the NT texts are themselves histroical texts. You don't need to venture outside of it.
I also never claimed that the texts are infallible. The "bronze age" rhetoric is taken from Hitchens, if I'm not mistaken, which shows that you haven't been reading serious scholarship. I'm not picking...
regelemihai 1 year ago
...on you dude, but I'm just saying that your response is indicative of the same YT atheists who haven't really done much research in this subject. You need to read the case in favor before you can make such assertions. I read polemics against my religion with an open mind.
regelemihai 1 year ago
@regelemihai You aren't being open minded, you've already made up your mind. Is there anything that will change it? Obviously not if you think the bible is authoritative or reliable and based on evidence. And just because I like the "bronze age" quote doesn't mean he's all I've read. You made a classic logical fallicy there.
What are you talking about with the no historians claim? What nonsense... there were historians as long as there have been people.
dlandon2000 1 year ago
"Obviously not if you think the bible is authoritative or reliable and based on evidence"
So if I dare assume the Bible is based on evidence I'm not open minded? The claim itself suffers from close mindedness :P
I like Hitchens too, very much actually. But I was just showing you that by using him as an authory you've demonstrated what I said about being open to other view points.
And my claim with respect to historians, I wasn't talking about them in general. I was refering to first...
regelemihai 1 year ago
...century Palestinian historians; confining them to the contemporary timeframe most skeptics argue for.
regelemihai 1 year ago
@regelemihai It does matter what the text is claiming, because we can consider plato's logic as true or false regardless of whether plato really existed. The claims of he bible depend on actually events people being real. If they are just allegorical then we can dismiss them as immoral and barbaric.
You claimed you've read about the bible's many problems but still find it authoritative which can only mean you didn't understand them or your close minded.
dlandon2000 1 year ago
@regelemihai And I never used hitchens as a authoritative source. And again there were historians of all kinds in all civilizations throughout written history. You don't need an official license to be a historian. My point with real historical examples (some of which are older that the bible) is that they have both evidence AND texts and from multiple sources.
dlandon2000 1 year ago
...Ok, and so does the NT. You're just redifining what you mean by historian.
regelemihai 1 year ago
@regelemihai The bible has none of that, it's a collection of non-contemporary writings which don't have supporting evidence or corroborating texts. Things like the mass slaughter by king herod would certainly have been documented by his enemies. But your trying to shift the burden of proof again, what is your evidence the bible is true? And you still can't use the bible to prove the bible. You don't seem to understand what circular logic is
dlandon2000 1 year ago
"it's a collection of non-contemporary writings "
Irrelevant. Contemporary references aren't by any stretch a necessity in establishing historicity. most of ancient history is recorded by contemporaries.
"supporting evidence or corroborating texts"
All the sources of the NT corroborate each other, most of whom are independent from one another. That is by far one of the best criterion for determining historicity.
regelemihai 1 year ago
@regelemihai The bible does reference some historical events (like cities attack, leaders born dying etc...) but that does NOT make the supernatural claims more likely or true. Just like the iliad/odyssey references a real war but that doesn't mean zeus is real. Or spiderman references New york but that doesn't mean spiderman is real.
dlandon2000 1 year ago
That wasn't my argument for historicity. The fact that historical events are referenced doesn't depend on my case.
regelemihai 1 year ago
" Things like the mass slaughter by king herod would certainly have been documented by his enemies."
Do you have evidence for this or are you just assuming? Events like the conquering of Palestine, and the defeat of Darius by Alexander the Great would also have to be documented by contemporaries yet not a single one is. All we know of him comes 400 years after he died.
"You don't seem to understand what circular logic is"
Circular logic is when you accept the conclusion before you do..
regelemihai 1 year ago
...the premise. How am I using circular reasoning? I rthink you're the one not getting it.
Using historical texts to establish an event is no more circular than you using Tacitus to establish events in Roman history. It's an absolute asinine comment.
"You've gone a step shorter and said the bible is true because the bible is true, which is a priori or fiat."
Ok,, when did I say that. Can you point it out?
regelemihai 1 year ago