The Truth About The Trinity From A Christian Unitarian

[MrTheCorrupter]

You know SIR, where you get owned??.Before, you claim to know the bible,lets read.

"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"

MAthew 28:19

Owned?, you paid by muslims?

[shellback1970]

You sir need to read that book AGAIN....The TRINITY is laid out LOUD AND CLEAR in the TORAH....Gen 1:1 GOD CREATED......Gen 1:2 and the "SPIRIT of GOD"..... and PSALM 2:7. THOU ART MY SON. THIS DAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN THEE....Pull your head out of you ass before you paint yourself an a INFORMED CHRISTIAN....By the way the OT has over 300 PROPHACIES ABOUT THE MESSIAH....One of those Isaiah 9:6 say the Messiah IS GOD TOO......

[bism537]

@shellback1970 Dear brother i d like to say that TRINIY should be the most important message in bible, if it was true. This message (trinity) should b repeated again and again in simple clear and explicit form in several verses that every body should understand it, But Brother Christians faith "trinity" is described in bible as hints.. thr r just a few hints and u built trinity. Read RED LETTERS plz... ONLY WORDS OF JESUS PLZ GO IN CONTEXT PLZ DO NOT PICK HALF VERSE PLZ

[CEMEH1980]

trinity is great LIE.

[jesusisisgod1]

sir,you are right , only one God and Lord , not three, father, son , and holy spirit are one truth God. Jews didn't know because God have his plan . when the time come,Lord Jesus reveal this mystery to us. Lord said'He is the Lord of Sabbath, even greater than holy temple"( Matthew 12;6-8) how could you explain two Lord of sabbath ?(Exo 20;8-12)two creator ? two Lord ? how can you put (john 1;1-3)(Gen 1;1-3) together , if God is not trinity ? one God (father,son , holy spirity)

[standingontruth1]

Have u lied? Have u stolen? Jesus said if you look at a woman with lust you have committed adultery with her in your heart. have u done that?

If God judge’s u by the Ten Commandments will u be innocent or guilty? Heaven or Hell? Does this concern you?

Do u need a Savior from your sins?

Jesus (The Son of God)came, lived a sinless life, died on the cross (for our sins) and rose again on the third day.

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if you are interested in abortion or thinking of having one watch 180 movie

[wallymano]

4th word into the bible and the doctrine of the Trinity is in your face, Gen 1v1 In the begining God...The word for God is Elohim meaning 3 or more. Look it up."Its meaning the Angels" you say. Well how come God claims creation as done by him ALONE??. No Angels involed in creation!.

Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.

(Job 9:8) and Isa 37:16 and Nehimiah9:6

These verses all claim resonsibility of creation to God alone yet he is (Elohim)

[4islam3]

Who is Jesus ?

watch?v=gCmNJ2DwfLU

[RAMIREZ3408]

jesus said the father is greater than I, jesus never said he was God,

jesus said at John 5 : 18,19 that he cannot do anything by his own initiative. he also said why do you call me

good? . jesus also reffered to his father Jehovah as his God 5 times in Rev 3:12, he was

no longer in the flesh when mentioned these words. jesus also said that he does

not know the day or the hour, well wait a minute is he God or not ,

there is no such thing as" in between". do you want more? 45 years exp

[CGJUGO80]

Tawheed - Monotheism...There is no god but God

[onyourbutt]

26 "Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 God created man in His own image,-".

Notice the "US" and the "OUR".

...just saying.

[apocalypse1280]

Please tell me what Church you belong to and if it's in the United States.

[RealJesusforAtheists]

The translation used is from the New World Translation, the translation of the Jehovah Witnesses.

[live215]

This guy I wish there where more christians like him, who use their brains, and rationality and don't use blind faith emotion, and proproganda to make other faiths look bad

[Kittyman55]

You're all wasting your time worshiping a lie. Live your lives.

[canucksteel]

you don't even deal with trinitarian verses.

[JackSparrowDepp]

Here is the proof from the Bible that God is ONE and He isn't Jesus:

Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

Mat 19:17 And he (Jesus) said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Even with a word-game one cannot refute this.

Anyone who believes Jesus is God must be kidding himself.

[Lancerlot100]

@JackSparrowDepp Which version did u get.Cos ,mine reads,Why do u ask me about what is good?There is only one who is good.If you want to enter life,obey t commandments> The full narration concludes somethingelse.And its beautiful .God doesnt have to proof anything to men.Jesus showed men how to pray.even t pray is ultimately is for him .And he did it in public for all who are touched by t spirit.We watch ,we learn.Otherwise .howelse one knows how to go 2 God for everything in prayer.,Mr Sparrow

[TheSpliffSmoker]

@JackSparrowDepp Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a CHILD IS BORN, unto us a SON IS GIVEN: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and HIS NAME SHALL BE CALLED Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace. (KJV)

[GizmoChicho]

@TheSpliffSmoker Amen. Good verse.

[fundreamer1]

Totally ignoring the scriptures that say that Jesus is God in the flesh.

God created man in his own image, with three parts, does that mean that there are three of you? Of course not, but if you lack understanding of this, then you will not be able to comprehend the One true God, or how he truly made you.

[ostbagen]

@fundreamer1 Actually, if you pic the right parts of it, I think you can make the Bible say whatever you want it to say.

[ttopperr]

Religion:

Prayer: a set order of words used in praying [This is the action]

Belief: conviction of the truth of some statement; the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence. [This is the response from the action]

Science and Religion are drastically and diametrically different practices but both are axioms of thought one of them proves fact the other proves what is believed to be true also can be thought of as a pathetic fallacy.

[Logia1978]

Great.

That's exactly what i think, and what muslims thinks also....

I would like to see a debate between shabir ally and someone like this old sage guy.

May God guide us all.

[trinityoneplace322]

Thank you so much I thought I was going mad! I see the elusion so now.

[daytonohiofellowship]

Begotten means 'one unqiue"(no other). its MONOGNEES. Interseting we are not SONS of God but Children, because Jesus is the ONLY SON. Also, if you look at the text you will see this 'monognees huios' (begotten Son) this makes him Deity he is MONOGNEES HUIOS in the B text. Now in the 'a' text we see this: 'monognees theos' (begotten God) Jesus is 'MONOGNEES THEOS' mono-u-neice is made up of two words, MONO and UNIQE,  he is ONE OF A KIND GOD in JN1:18

[padebembey]

Allah says in the Quran, (chapter 112):-

1. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;

2. Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;

3. He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;

4. And there is none like unto Him.

[salemslot777]

how can you say my little born babies are sinners? they are innocent of any sin! i will challenge any bastard in court who will come fwd with this deplorable allegation.No loving God will ever insinuate that newborn babies are sinners.and the concept of God dying or killing His Son to save mankind...where is the love in that. I just dont see it.If you love us so much then just forgive us and the matter is solved.NO ONE DIED FOR YOUR SIN !! trinity was added in by Erasmus in late 1500s not b4

[MSA1771]

Unitarisim Christianity is right. This is the real christianity as Muslims we have been told about. Ariusism -Unitarisim. I respect it. This is the message of God The Unity of God. There is no God but Allah (there is only one god) and Muhammad, Jesus, Mosis, Abraham.. are His messengers peace be upon them all.

[usedbrain]

It follows that God Almighty, the greatest sovereign of the universe would not have a superior above him. Would it be reasonable for ALMIGHTY GOD to say that HE has someone else to whom HE looks to as HIS god?

At Rev 3:12 The resurrected Jesus, occupying the highest position he will ever have, claims 4 times that he has a GOD.

Romans 15:6, 2 Corinthians 1:3, 2 Corinthians 11:31, Ephesians 1:3, 1 Peter 1:3 all show that Jesus' Father was also His GOD.

[usedbrain]

At John 13:16 Jesus states a fact: "The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him."

Earlier Jesus stated at John 5:36, "...the Father hath sent me."

Where was Jesus when He was "sent"? He was in heaven, as a spirit being, when he was sent. The FATHER (YHWH) was Jesus' God and as such, had the authority to SEND him.

[AKhomiakov]

The so-called Nicene Creed teaches, "I/We believe in ONE GOD, THE FATHER........" (not "one God, the Trinity..."). No denial of monotheism. Why is it therefore Trinitarian? Because the "eternally begotten Son" is of "one being" with the Father--they indwell each other--Jn 1:1; 10:30; 14:11; 17 (passim).

[Daywalker1973able]

HUH? Eternally begotten? Nobody in the first century would ever think to make a statement like that. You would have to accept the Trinity and then read Trinitarian concepts in the verses that are not naturally there.

How do you get a trinity out of this text?>

condensed for lack of space!

Ephesians 4:4-6 There is ...one Spirit,...One Lord, ...One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

One Spirit, One God and Father, and One Lord. Who's God? The Father!

[repentnowpeople]

@AKhomiakov Ephesians 4:4-6

[loveroflife365]

The trinity dogma was morphed over centuries by councils of ungodly men. God is ONE. This ONE GOD has a Son (who is not the ONE GOD).

However, the one we know as Jesus most certainly existed prior to his earthly birth, but not as God. What or who was he then? Malachi 3:1 gives the answer, but most people don't listen. He was the messenger of the covenant, meaning that he was a part of the angelic hosts. He "emptied himself" of this glory that he had w/ the Father "before the world was".

[MuslimUmmah7]

In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful Say: He is Allah, the One and Only! Allah, the Eternal, Absolute ; He begetteth not nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him. Quran chapter112

[TheBadaang]

@sunrisesotrue .Yes its big sin for muslims

to say 'unity of God' thats not true monotheism.Psalm- David, Torah- Moses-

Bible- Jesus,Quran- Muhammad PBUT are from the One and Only Creator.

[sunrisesotrue]

I dont realy like the term 'unity of God' or 'unitarian. It suggests that there are several God entities which are 'united'. In all the quotes you quoted, they specified 'one God'. I prefer the term 'Oness of God' that there is only One God worthy of worship, he is the creator of the heavens, the earth, humans and all creation.. Its interesting to know that this precisly wt Islam advocates; (God! There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal) (2:255)

[sunrisesotrue]

I dont realy like the term 'unity of God' or 'unitarian. It suggests that there are several God entities which are 'united'. In all the quotes you quoted, they specified 'one God'. I prefer the term 'Oness of God' that there is only One God worthy of worship, he is the creator of the heavens, the earth, humans and all creation.. Its interesting to know that this precisly wt Islam advocates; (God! There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal) (2:255)

[TheBadaang]

@sunrisesotrue Yes cos the Psalm ,Torahs, Bible and Quran are all God's Scriptures.

[bleedblue83]

Unity and oneness mean the exact same thing, sunrise.

[sunrisesotrue]

I dont really like the term 'unity of God', it suggests the assumptio that there are various entities of God but we believe that they are united. In all the quotes you quoted there is a reference to 'one God' not the 'united God'. So I prefer the term the 'Oness of God' that there is only one God worthy of of worship, he is the creator of the heavens, earth, humans, and all creation.. Its interesting that this is precisiely what Islam advocates; the 'oness of God'

[jeffrey0662]

bigcee22, Where are my answers to you? why are you stopping them? That is evidence that you are closed minded and don't want to be bothered with the facts that contradict your anti Christ bias.

[bigcee22]

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[jeffrey0662]

Why did it take over 25 minutes for my posts to show?

[bigcee22]

Coincidentally, I am changing some things around on my account. A lot of people are saying some very profane things, and I control my channel and what comments can be allowed. I think that's pretty fair. Can't let idiots go willy nilly on my channel. You understand. You seem to be a very intelligent person.

[bigcee22]

Closed minded? Anti Christ? What are you taslking about sir. You don't even know me. I love my mother more than anyone on this planet. And let it be known that I love Jesus Christ I'sa alayhus salaam peace be upon him, more than I love my own Mother. Please sir, if you don't know the facts, don't assume.

[jeffrey0662]

John 2:22 " Anyone who denies the Father and the Son is an antichrist.* 23 Anyone who denies the Son doesnt have the Father, either. But anyone who acknowledges the Son has the Father also." John also said, "23 so that everyone will honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Anyone who does not honor the Son is certainly not honoring the Father who sent him." You are anti Christ because you do not honor Jesus just the same as the Father. You treat Him less than the Father.

[bigcee22]

I do honor Jesus my brother. But you have to really study the bible and it's origin to really understand what was originally written, allowed, expunged, and changed. That is why it is paramount to understand Jesus' original language which is Aramaic, similar to Arabic. Read a book called Misquoting Jesus by Bart Ehrman. Then and only then will you see my brother.

[jeffrey0662]

bigcee22, The New Testament was originally written in koine Greek. So basically what you are telling me is that you cannot sufficiently counter my points using the Bible. You have to appeal to a book by Ehrman who basically says the Bible is all wrong? What proof do you have for this assertion?

[bigcee22]

Exactly, the bible was written in kone greek which further proves my point. Jesus pbuh never spoke greek. He spoke Aramaic. His disciples spoke umm Aramaic. Shouldn't the New testament have been written in Aramaic then. Bart Ehrman knows more about the bible than the both of us. Read the book then make a comment, and I have used the bible to counter you. I have not used one Quranic verse, which would be very easy for me to do. I have to much intellect to resort to name calling sir. Keep it clean

[jeffrey0662]

I never called you a name or spoke with foul language. I said you are damned because you are sending yourself to hell because you reject God. Jesus said if you reject Him as God you are rejecting God. The New Testament was originally written in Greek because the Gospel spread throughout the Hellenistic world right from the beginning. The first Gospel (Mark) was written from Rome to Gentiles and the first Epistle (Thes) was written to Asia Minor Gentiles. Aramaic was Jewish speakers in Israel.

[bigcee22]

You don't understand the bible. Jesus pbuh message was for the Lost sheep of the house of Israel. Not the Gentiles. Read Matthew 5:17. The verse speaks for itself. Jesus followed the law of Moses pbuh. He did not come with a new message. You keep saying the gospels were written by these non Aramaic speaking peoples, exactly my point. Remember 325 A.D. my friend. That's where Pauline christianity started. And by the way, Paul was a Jewish, christian hunting bounty hunter. Let's hear this defense.

[jeffrey0662]

That's not what I said. I said the NT was written to Greek speaking Gentiles from the start. The Apostles (the authors) could speak Aramaic.

[Lancerlot100]

@bigcee22 Have you read t whole bible? . and you will hear God speaking 2 you .U cant pick 1 verse n argue .U will know why christians say n believe in t HOLY TRINITY.Jesus is t "literally son .It means frm God .So ,where is t wife ? Its there ,t Father ,Son and t holy spirit.In fact ,ur koran has more visible use of trinity. Why is there a ,"WE " instead of I ,GOD! Pray n ask "t true God " 2 reveal himself that u may accept him n be reborn. Seek and ye shall find.

[bigcee22]

@Lancerlot100 Firstly, you must really be dumb if you think the Koran approves of the fake ass trinity. What does Almighty God say in the Quran? "wa-laa taqooloo thalaathatun" (Surah an-Nisa' 4:171) And don't say three. I was raised a christian and I converted to Islam in 2004. Read the rest of my comments you fool. The word We is the royal form of we not the plural. That's why you need to read it in Arabic. Just like in the bible the original greek is different from the English translations.

[idawidawaputtycat]

@bigcee22 great now perfect your religion and get rid of the hadiths

[sstoicc]

@idawidawaputtycat A piece of literature in itself is standalone; the example is what allows us to practise perfectly. Any person would understand this or the difference between giving instructions.. or showing someone what to do.

[bigcee22]

I love it how so-called christians don't read or know the bible. Where is the word Trinity in the bible. What does the word begotten mean? I cant wait for this explanation.

[jeffrey0662]

It doesn't matter that the word "Trinity" isn't in the Bible. Does the Bible not exist since the word "Bible" isn't in the Bible?

I need to know what text you are seeing "begotten" in before I can answer that.

[jeffrey0662]

bigcee22, I am still waiting for you to tell me what Scripture text you see the word "begotten" in so I can answer your question.

[bigcee22]

Hey Jeffrey0662. I won't be able to answer anything from you for the next few weeks. I'll be making my pilgrimage to Mecca. But you must be joking. John 3:16 of course says begotten. Now I know what you will say. It was a mistranslation it really means unique son. I'm one step ahead of you. Just go back to your sources and do your homework. And I know where you get your sources. All of you internet christian debaters quote from the same websites. I know what you will say before you say it.

[jeffrey0662]

bigcee22, Thank you for letting me know John 3:16 is where you are seeing "begotten". There are 26 places in the KJV where that word is found. I needed to know the context because actually the word (monogenes) is translated as "only begotten" there. I don't say that word is a mistranslation but an OLD translation. A better/modern translation is "unique" or "one and only". In the year 1600 English speakers would have understood the idiom but not today...cont'd

[jeffrey0662]

cont'd... My data sources come from credible published scholarship works. I can cite for you that at the Council of Nicea it was Bishop Alexander who indicated that the term "begotten" must be understood from a Jewish perspective, since Hebrews were the ones using the term in the Bible. Hebrew usage of the term is for the purpose of setting forth the preeminence of Christ. (Paul speaks in these terms, using the word "firstborn," not in reference to Christ's origin but to the salvatory...cont'd

[jeffrey0662]

cont'd...effects of His redemptive work [see Col 1:15,18].)

The Greek word monogenes was used of Isaac (Heb 11:17), even though Abraham had other sons. Therefore, the scriptural meaning of the word is "only" in the sense of "unique," "special," "one-of-a-kind" and implies a special love (gen 22:2). It is used of Jesus to emphasize that He is by nature the Son of God in a unique, special sense that no one else is or can be...cont'd

[jeffrey0662]

cont'd...It would be just as illiterate of you to argue that the compound word "monogenes" means only made as it would be to argue that the compound word "butterfly" means a stick of butter can fly through the air.

[danielyeh]

@bigcee22

whatever you're all quacks for worshiping a fictional being anyway. if you're gonna worship a god you might as worship a cool one like thor or odin

[Coroneljj]

Let me go ahead and tell you that the word trinity was not made by the pure Crhistiams. Learn some history before you talk about something you dont even know.. the word Trinity is a Latin word.. it could not had been made on the bible... God is not three... Three are god.. its a whole different thing.. and let me remind you that we humans are compacted with things we do not comprehend, because if you still have in mind, god is not in part of Earth, our Universe.

[repentnowpeople]

@jeffrey0662 Where does it say you have to accept Jesus as God? It said you have to accept he is the one the Father sent and to accept him as Lord, not as God. Jesus never said I am the Lord your God. YHVH did.

[hich101]

@jeffrey0662 jesus spoke aramaic

[jeffrey0662]

bigcee22, Jesus said you are not honoring Him if you don't honor Him "just as" not less than you honor the Father. In fact, Jesus goes on to say that you are not even honoring the Father if you treat Jesus with less honor. In other words, you are damned.

[cuttheraceistheads]

so is moses pbuh the antichrist you saying

please look at a video jesus prove quranquran proves jesus and have a friendly dibate

[GreaterSolomon]

What is the TRINITY?

Is it SO impossible to have '3 IN 1'? Thinking of GOD we consider the DIVINE nature. God's attributes are seen in the world created.

Let's take water which scientifically is 'H2O' by nature but EXISTS in two other DISTINCT forms. I drink WATER, walk on ICE, breathe in GAS. Operate differently yet they are one and the same in nature.

When drinking water, do you THINK there are '3' in the cup or 1? Water. The Father, Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit are ONE as God is One.

[mikeyjwest]

God is One. Christ is in the Father and the Father is in Christ. The Word was Christ and the Word is God. Christ said that he is I AM. There is One God. Christ is God incarnate.

[tonyschmoeredux]

Excellent work.

[bigcee22]

The word Elohim has many different meanings depending on the context. Elohim is a form of respect when calling on God in the old testament. Like a king who gives a decree to the common people which commonly states "We decree". This the royal we of power not plurality. Obviously there is only one king, so why should he say we decree. It is the royal we, not plurality. The same way Allah swt says in the Quran many times WE. Obviously Allah is one, but again, this is the royal we of power.

[jeffrey0662]

There is no evidence of a "we decree" in the Bible. There is no parallel that you can find in the Bible to support your "we decree" assertion. There are many times 'eloyhim is followed by plural verbs in the Bible. Here are just two: Genesis 20:13: "And it came to pass, when God (Elohim) caused me to wander [literally: They caused me to wander] from my father's house

Genesis 35:7: "because there God (Elohim) appeared unto him" [Literally: They appeared unto him.]

[bigcee22]

Peace. Obviously you did not understand my statement. And it is also obvious that you do not know Hebrew. Elohim DOES NOT MEAN PLURALITY!!! It is a form of respect. The Quran in the English translation uses the word we, but it is not plural, it is respectful. How do you explain Genesis 16:10 where the Angel of the Lord said to Hagar, "I will multiply thy seed exceedingly" Is the Angel doing it alone, or is he doing it by God's permission. The Angel is an instrument of God. An agent. Learn Hebrew

[jeffrey0662]

bigcee22, That's real brilliant of you to appeal to the Koran to interpret ancient Hebrew Biblical text. What next, are you going to use graffiti someone spray painted on a bathroom wall to interpret the New Testament?

[jeffrey0662]

The angel who spoke to Hagar in Gen 16:10 is Jehovah (see v 13).

[bigcee22]

Oh so God speaks Directly to humans now huh? Humans can see God now too huh? The Jesus peace be upon him is lying when he says the following in John 5:37 then huh? May God Almighty preserve Jesus pbuh as the truthful prophet he was. As far as your other comment about God being an Angel. I guess God can be anything he wants then right? He could be a Volkswagen, a apple, or a laptop computer. Know the essence of God my friend. Learn Aramaic, Arabic, and Hebrew then come and talk to me I do.

[jeffrey0662]

The Bible calls that angel who spoke to Hagar "YHWH". Learn to deal with reality.

[SolorFlair]

The Hebrew word "elohim" [God] is in the PL form 2570 x in the Text. The ending "im" shows a plural of the majesty. Nice try but there is error all in your teaching. Notice the adj "one" this word STOPS Polytheism. See the Nelson study Bible page#5