for anyone to believe suge set this up... u smoking crack. cause yeah u go get in a damn car and let someone shoot your ass up and u in car. are u IMBECILES FOR REAL??????????????????????????????????????
he was killed cuz it was political sh1it, he was an activist, he discovered somethings about Illuminati and started to make this public, and he was the BIGGEST raper in America, so he had a good influence on the people, and thats why he got shoot. When he died it was a perfect assassination with all the rules achived!
@DrillOne1 this THEORY is dumb as well. WHAT PART OF HIM STOMPING DOWN A CRIP WHILE RUNNING WITH BLOODS DO U DUMBASSES NOT GET? IT WAS A RETALIATION. STOP MAKING SHIT INTO MORE THAN IT WAS. JESUS.
@4everliam then explain how can you escape from a drive by in a desert AND in AMERICA where the cops are just like rivers.... and no1 witness the drive by...wtf? the most visitated town in America - Las Vegas and that night Tupac didn't had the bulletproof vest, perfect assasination, succefuly getaway, no single witness, and who was there they didn't talk... don't you see? They protected Suge Knight,and the next day when Tupac died he was cremated? This is illegal! They didn't maked the autopsy
@4everliam or is maybe the cops done the assasination.... they had telecom on them right? Tupac bodyguard heared on talky-walky " we got him".... and they dissapeared.... and nbody can't do shi1t to cops.. and this isn't the first time when cops done crimes.... so this is more bigger picture then what we realise!
Ppl wake up pac is alive he is in hiding watch the vid 7 day theroy that gives a hint that he is still alive but just in hididng he is coming back in 2014
@AntonBatey But just like I thought, people with no knowlege and stays closed minded always goes off running when the truth starts coming. Sort of like telling them that Santa Claus isn't real LOL.
Yeah, I can no longer debate someone with such little knowledge about Tupac asto where there deny that THUGLIFE was an acronym for what I said it stood for. That's pretty elementary. And saying that it’s "laughable" is calling Tupac himself laughable.
And you're the one who said you don't know what you believe.
@AntonBatey Please you don't know anything about the THUG LIFE program. All you know is what the acronym is and STILL don't believe what he was about. You can't debate any longer because you don't have anymore bullshit to think of. You ran out of things to make up about something you know nothing about.
No, you denied that that's what the acronym even was. Since you didn't know that the debate is limited in scope. It would be like a professor debating a middle school student. And what did I make up? You seem like the one who is making up answers on the fly. Everything I have said I have been saying for years.
@AntonBatey You made up the fact that he wasn't about the Elite(Illuminati) you made up the fact that he was out to kill Black Entrepeneurs and you made up the fact that there is no known group just because you don't believe there is. Did I leave anything out?
1. I said that Tupac didn't believe in the Illuminati, which he didn’t, according to the interview with Bob Marriott.
2. I didn't say Tupac advocated the killing of other Black entrepreneurs, I said that he spent lots of time dissing them, which not saying a word about the government, except every now and then, and the things he said weren't even that radical.
3. I said that there is no proof of such a society, and due to that lack of proof, it should not believed.
@AntonBatey Double Entandre, look it up. It means that you say one thing but you can use it two ways. Tupac was intelligent, do you think that he would outright come out and says something bad about the government. See you only go by what he says on his albums. You have NO idea who he is, do you?
@AntonBatey What are you interpretting in this debate. I think that you take in information, think of something else and spit out what you came up with.
If what you said is true, and "Killuminati" meant that he wanted to kill the members of the Illumnatni and the Illuminati itself as an actual organization, that would mean that he WAS publicly saying that he believed in it, which contradicts what you said about Tupac being more subtle with the Illuminati, and not saying outright that he believed in it.
@AntonBatey He didn't say that he was gonna physically kill off members of the Illuminati. He was saying that he was gonna shut down the whole organizaiton. Kill of the Illuminati group. Not physically kill and murder people. I told you you're interpretting skills are WAY OFF.
Then you're contradicting yourself. First you said that Tupac said that he didn't believe in the organization because he didn't want it to be know too much that he thought they existed, and now you're saying that he was making an album NAMED after what he wanted to do, and that’s to kill off an entire organization which is supposedly ultra-secret and powerful.
@AntonBatey LMAO!! I knew it. You can't take in information. I never said that he never believed in a secret organization, YOU DID. I been here the whole time trying to convince you that he did believe and you turned around and said that I said what YOU were saying the whole time. This whole time I been trying to tell you that he was out to shut down this whole organization and you were the one saying that he never knew anything about it.
I know you've been saying that Tupac never said he didn't believe in such a fictional organization, you're saying that Tupac was lying about him not believing in it, although you contradict yourself and claim that he named a CD after wanting to kill the very organization, and I’m asking what proof you have that he even believed in the organization to begin with.
But again, if you listen to the interview, which you haven't, you'll hear Tupac say that he named that album that because he wanted to kill of the theory itself, not a group or society that he didn't even believe existed.
Just to claim victory over you, watch the video "2pac acronim of thug life" here on YouTube. Tupac said, "T.H.U.G.L.I.F.E.: The Hate U Gave Little Infants Fucks Everybody".
Dumbass 30 year old who believe in the Illuminati.
@AntonBatey Like I said before all you are gonna do is not come with any known fact to what you claim and result to insults. LMAO!! What you thought you was the only person I ever debated against? I'm coming with an intellegent debate and you resort to a child-like attitude. Knows what the acronym is but don't know who he's talking about LMAO!! Laughable. Not Pac, YOU.
You're not coming to debate intelligently when you have baseless theories that you pass off as facts. Just about all the points I said you didn't respond to any of them. For instance, what Tupac was doing the last few years of his life, and how it was not in accordance with what you claim it was in terms of going against he government.
And no, you didn't know what it stood for until I told you.
@AntonBatey Wanna bet? There are plenty of facts out there that prove what I said and there is even a video that has a person that did an investigation of his whole life on Youtube. Let me make it clear for you, throughout our whole debate everytime you said some thing you always started with "I". "I believe" or "I know" and the whole time I was on here I never once said "I" or "I believe". I might of said "I keep an open mind". So who sounds more intelligent?
Which person are you talking about who dedicated his whole life to the investigation?
Also, theories are to be rejected if there is no sufficient evidence to substantiate it. Using your line of reasons, we should also keep an open mind that Will Smith killed Tupac. Certain theories are to be rejected because a) they lack any evidence, b) defy common sense.
It's pretty simple for me, but impossible for you. The first thing you have to do is prove that such a "secret society" exists within the framework you claim it does. Then you have to prove that Tupac even believed it existed, which he denied in the interview with Bob Marriott. Then you have to complete the ultimate impossible task and prove that Tupac, of all people, posed a threat to such a powerful organization.
@AntonBatey See, that's why you keep going around in circles. I already told, and proved, that Tupac believed in an Illuminati. You just don't want to except it, block it out and keep saying that he didn't. Apparently you only think that the Illuminati exist through Tupac. Goes to show how closed minded you are. There are plenty of tapes and videos on here that has people talking about it. And apparently there are more people that believe it than you so what does that tell you?
Tupac said out of his own mouth that he didn't believe it, so there is no debate about it. He used the same point that I usually make: how certain people in lower sectors know about this "ultra secret" society and their plans for the world, as Tupac rhetorically asked. He even criticized the loons who lay attention to the "signs" on the dollar bills, advising them to GET the money, and don’t give a damn about any "symbols" on it. What proof is there that he believed it?
In the interview with Robert Marriott a few weeks before he died. It was his last major interview. Just type in "Tupac talks about the Illuminati" or something. It's an old interview that I first heard over ten years ago, but he totally rejected the theory itself, making fun of people who claim they know all about such societies and their secrets, and people who spend time analyzing dollars for signs, and all that crap. Like the "all seeing eye". That stuff.
Yes, he certainly did. And the only people who misinterpret that interview are non-
English speaking people, who can't understand that Tupac is dismissing a theory which he correctly thinks is ludicrous. If he believed it, he would have said so. Tupac was a blunt man, not a pussy. Besides, if "Killuminati" means what you say it does (Tupac wanted to kill an actual organization) that would mean he is publicly saying he believes it exists in the first place.
@AntonBatey EXACTLY!!! Now you are getting it. He did believe in the group and he was saying that he was gonna bring down the whole organization. He knows it exists and he knows people that were apart of it. You keep taking in the information and twisting it and spit it back out to what you think he's saying.
No, he said that he DIDN'T believe that such a group existed.
You contradict yourself and say that he lied just to downplay his supposed knowledge of the group, yet you claim he would make an album and name it after what he publicly wanted to do.
@AntonBatey When did he say he don't believe that they exist? I asked you to bring me proof and yet you have done so. Where is this "fact" that you speak of. And I'ma tell you, if you are doing this because you think that I'ma back off I'm letting you know that I love stuff like this and I'ma drive you crazy unless you prove me wrong LOL.
I told you, in the interview with Bob Marriott he dismissed the theory. Too bad you never even heard the interview, just as you didn’t know what THUGLIFE stood for.
Also, your asking me to prove a negative. When did Tupac say that space aliens DIDN’T exist? He didn’t, so he must have believed in them. According to your faulty line of reasoning, that would be correct.
@AntonBatey You're going to the THUG LIFE argument again? Oh speaking of which you never told me who he was speaking of that the acronym stood for. And we wern't talking about aliens. You're drifting, man LMAO!! I asked you for facts and you STILL have not came up with anything. So far you lied about what I said, you lied about what Tupac stood for and you pretty much put words in Tupac's mouth. I gave you mutliple facts and you dismissed them and started making things up. This is fun.
You haven't provided any facts. I have been pwning you this entire time to where you contradicted yourself, you admitted that you didn’t even hear various interviews and that you don’t know what you believe.
@AntonBatey Is that what you think you did? LMAO!! You give me the acronym to THUG LIFE with no knowlege about what it stood for and who it was for and game me all these replies about made up thoughts of yours and you say that I didn't give you any facts. Even though I gave you a video where he talks about getting back at the Elites(Illuminati) and gave you his background, told you what his music meant and you draw you own conclusions and claim them as facts.
So you basically admit that Tupac lied about saying he didn’t believe in the Illuminati, even after you asked me for proof of where you said he lied about it, by saying that Tupac, in a pussified fashion, "didn't outright come out and say something bad about the government", and now you’re saying that he really DID believe it, even though you still haven't provided any proof.
@AntonBatey Not what I said at all. That's what YOU said. And I'm starting to think that you took that piece of what I said out of another comment I posted and applied it to this one. You keep trying to force words on people. LMAO it's halarious.
@AntonBatey I know what I said. You just don't UNDERSTAND what I said. You twisted it around so much that you pretty much said that I said something that I didn't say LOL.
Also, you're the first person who claim that the Illuminati wasn't a sector of the government, namely their Black Ops apparatus. Congratulations, you’re the hundredth person I've talked to who has their own personal definition of what the Illuminati even is!
@AntonBatey Wanna know why, because nobody knows who the Illuminati is. Maybe that's why there are so many "personal definition"s. Have you thought about that? But just know this, they are an Elite group of people that you don't know what they are or who they are. Open your mind, Neo LOL.
@AntonBatey That's your thought process. But beause you believe that doesn't mean that everybody else has to think that either. It's the whole point of me saying that you have to open your mind. Learn things. Even if you don't believe it's true.
@AntonBatey Didn't say Biggie was, but who's to say he wasn't? How do you know that he didn't know something either. Remember, his killer isn't found either. Maybe him and Pac knew something. That's MY thoughts, not facts but I'm just letting you know how open my mind is to things. That's all I'm saying.
Ohhhh, so again, ANYONE can be part of the Illuminati, according to you. How do we know that Afeni isn’t part of it? How do we know that Tupac wasn’t part of it? I saw a picture of him doing that diamond sign with his hands, a sure indication that he was part of the Illuminati.
@AntonBatey YOU think he dismissed. Here's an example of what you do. I'll say "Look, that apple is about to fall" and you say "No that apple is about to fall". I'll say "That's what I said" and then you say "No you didn't. You said that it fell". You see how dumb you sound?
LOL, you ADMITTED that he dismissed it, but you covered up for the fact by saying that he "didn't outright come out and say something bad about the government"
@AntonBatey So now you're arguing the fact that I said that he would outright come out and says something bad about the government. I thought the whole time we were arguing the fact that Tupac knew about the Illuminati? Reaching....
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@AntonBatey Never claimed he dissmissed it, but you did finally admit that he DID know about a Illuminati. Which is what you said that he didn't believe there was one.
When did I claim Tupac never heard of it? In that interview that you never heard, Tupac said that people in prison were talking to him about it, and he dismissed it.
So you're setting up a strawman.
At any rate, I'm sick of having to type in a code each time I respond here, so we'll debate this later over the airwaves.
@AntonBatey No you said that he never BELIEVED there was one. You never said that he dissmissed it. It wasn't till I proved to you that he DID believe there was one. I don't know, I'm already starting to see it's a waste of time. All you are gonna do is keep turning my words around and no comprehend what I tell you. You are aonly gonna have limited information and assumptions. Really debating if its worth it.
@AntonBatey "LOL, how would it be possible for Tupac to dismiss a theory if the theory didn't exist?" EXCATLY WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET OUT OF YOU!!!! This is YOUR thoughts, NOT MINE!
It's like you saying, "that apple is about to fall", and I reply that it will too, and tell you to watch uot because the apple will fall, and you say, "what are you talking about? I never said that apple will fall".
See how dumb you sound when you flatly contradict yourself?
@AntonBatey See prime example of what you do. You always add extra false things into something to try to come off like you know what you are talking about. You can't handle a discussion. Somehow you are trying to be right about something but you nor I have any idea what it is. Maybe that's why there are alot of people that don't agree with you on things. Maybe you can't comprehend.
Yeah, people usually say that when they know they've lost. Still waiting for you to reply to me so that we can have a recorded debate that I'll post on YouTube......
@AntonBatey But see now here's what you are doing. You're trying to stay off course, make up something to be right about and not providing facts. This is a funny ass debate LMAO!!
Yes, it is rather funny. Someone who has contradicted themselves a few times, admits that they don’t know what their talking about and has provided no quotes from Tupac saying what you claim.
@AntonBatey "Yes, it is rather funny. Someone who has contradicted themselves a few times, admits that they don’t know what their talking about and has provided no quotes from Tupac saying what you claim." You've finally realize your thought process. I thought this was gonna be an all-nighter LMAO!!
I've heard racist people who believe in the Illuminati say that it's a group trying to promote miscegenation and kill of the white man. I have heard anti-racists who believe in the Illuminati say that it’s a racist group full of white men to hold back minorities. I have heard people who think global warming, for example, if a government conspiracy, and I have heard groups say that it’s a group that promotes pollution. It totally depends who you talk to.
@AntonBatey You can't just say that I contradicted myself, you have to have a fact that I did. You keep making things up and THEN say I contradicted myself. But I know that YOU did. We started out by you talking about how Pac never knew nor believed in the Illuminati and then by the time we got here you have said and PROVED that Tupac DID know and have knowlege of the Illuminati. That my friend is CONTRADICTION!
@AntonBatey What sense are you making here? I'm not following you. You said something about how you copied and pasted but it was from something else that had nothing to do with what we were talking about and you put it in and then said I said something that I didn't. I think that's what happened.
@AntonBatey Not lying. You copied and pasted something I said in another part of the discussion and tried to use it to mean something else AND THEN said that I "called him a pussy".
So when did Tupac say in Hit Em Up that he was dissing all those people because they were part of an elite? What interview did he say that in? Give me a single quote, from lyrics or interview….......
@AntonBatey Ok I'll play this game. When in all of his interviews and videos did he say that there was NO ILLUMINATI nor mentions the word ILLUMINATI?
Anyway, respond to your inbox. I said that we can debate this tonight. I keep having to type in a code every time I post now, so we’ll finish this tonight in a live debate. I’ll then post it on YouTube for entertainment.
You didn't know that it stood for, and and therefore whom it was directed towards. Hence the word sin the acronym, "little infants", meaning that, according to Tupac, the ills of the ghetto where people are subject to live under in constant and dire poverty is transmitted into the children who becomes products of this environment which "fucks everyone".
If you didn't think that the Illuminati was the government then why did you mention that Tupac didn’t want to say anything bad about the government by talking shit about the Illuminati.
And I'm saying that since you ask for negative evidence, which is illogical, by YOUR line of reasoning you can conclude that he believed in aliens because after all, when did he say that he DIDN'T believe in them? Likewise, you asked me where did Tupac say he DIDN'T believe in the Illuminati, although I gave you a source.
@AntonBatey You're bringing in nonsense into this debate. You're reaching LMAO!! Stay on course. Illuminati and Tupac. See you're running. I thought you said you won this debate. Face it, you're brain isn't right.
@Lawless66007 I'm showing you the pattern in your line of reasoning. You said that because Tupac doesn't say something doesn't exist, that means that that is reason to believe he did think something exists. You can use any example of something he never even mentioned and because of that, according to you, that would be proof that he believed that it exists.
@AntonBatey Nope you can't show me a pattern. Because what you do is see my pattern and then you veer off somewhere else and then end up somewhere else and say that that's what I did. You can't do that. So far you destroyed everything we talked about and still haven't came up with one point about anything.
And I'll ask again, when did Tupac say that he believed in the Illuminati? The one interview we have where he talks about it, you claim that he's lying. So where is the proof that he believed it?
@AntonBatey When did I say that he was lying? Please go back and copy and paste. And if you alter it I'ma grab it myself and paste it again. You keep making things up man. You're not looking very intellegent right now, man.
You said 24 minutes ago "do you think that he would outright come out and says something bad about the government" after I proved to you that he didn't believe that the Illuminati exists. That was your excuse as to why he denied their existence. Then you claim that he would make a whole album named after wanting to kill them.
So ahead, make up a reply on the fly, like you have been doing.
So explain why Tupac would "outright come out and says something bad about the government" (your words) like NAMING AN ALBUM AFTER THEM, yet he didn't have the balls to state the same thing in an interview which you have never even heard.
@AntonBatey I'm the one that gave you the video of the interview and you tell me that I never heard about it? And the reason why "he didn't outright come out and say something bad about the government" (which he did and was doing since he was young by the way) is that maybe, I don't know, THEY'D KILL HIM?? And by "they'd" I mean the Elite(Illuminati)
No you didn't, you asked what video I was talking about when I mentioned the Bob Marriott one. And why would Tupac have the balls to name a CD after his wanting to kill an organization yet in an interview, "he didn't outright come out and say something bad about the government"?
@AntonBatey You're right, I didn't say he didn't outright come out and say something bad about the government. But the Elite(Illuminati) isn't the government. It's an elite group of powerful rich people. I told you that you can't process information right.
LOL, more proof again that it depends who you talk to if you want to know what the Illuminati is.
Also, what you said makes no sense. Why did you even bother to mention the "government" if the Illuminati wasn't even the government, according to you.
No, you did. All I did was mention what Tupac said about the Illuminati, and how he didn’t believe in it, and you said that, "duhhhh….......…he didn't wanna talk shit about the government".
And I'm not "twisting" anything, I'm straightening it out. You keep contradicting yourself.
When did I say that? lol, Tupac said he didn't believe in the Illuminati in the Marriott interview. You knew that and you claimed that Tupac was lying, and was being a pussy because he didn’t want to talk shit about the government (even though you later contradicted yourself and said that the Illuminati ISN’T the government).
@AntonBatey Ok let me really break that down for you because you clearly don't process things right. When I said that he won't outright talk about the government is what I was saying abou him rapping and using his words to double talk. What you heard when you thought he was dissing somebody, he was dising the government about how things were in the black community. When was dissing other rappers and "black entrepeneurs" he was dissing the ones that were part of the Elite(Illuminati).
You just said that Tupac was lying and was being a pussy. So the one time Tupac publicly talked about it and denied their existence, you ignore that, say he was lying, yet you don’t have any quotes which said he believes it.
And when did Tupac say that he was dissing those people for that reason? Tupac never said that, in fact, he was blunt about why he disses everyone he did, and NEVER did he say it was because they were part of the "elite".
@AntonBatey See this is why you have to do your research on the person that you are talking about. If you knew what type of person that he was and all the interviews he's done and the documentaries and the interviews from the people that knew him you wouldn't be this damn clueless. Instead you're gonna keep sitting here claiming that I said something knowing that I didn't and keep believing what you want. You aren't gonna make it far anywhere LOL.
And I do know the type of person Tupac was. He was blunt, outspoken and honest, which conflicts with you making Tupac into a PUSSY by saying that he would never criticize the government.
Maybe its you that should watch more documentaries about him.
@AntonBatey No YOU tried to make him into a PUSSY. But I see what you are doing. You're using my words against me because you don't have any thoughts of your own. LMAO!!
You said that he didn't want to because of the possibly that me might get killed. Yet you contradict yourself by claiming that he would name a whole album after his intention to kill them.
Contradiction again, kid.
So what is it? Was Tupac afraid or not? You can't have it both ways unless you take back what you said.
@AntonBatey Ok now let's expand your mind a little more on this whole thing. Tupac was a product of the Elite(Illuminati). He didn't like what they were making him do so he wanted to rebel against them. He had to make albums for them so he hid messages behind what he saying so that it would come off as talking about them outright (remember that?) Hence KILLUMINATI. He wasn't a pussy, he was a genius.
And that is a contradiction. One day he didn’t "come out and say something bad about the government", and the next he's naming his CD after his saying "bad about the government".
Again, we'll have a live debate tonight about this.
Also, by saying that because Tupac wouldn't "outright come out and says something bad about the government", you're saying that he is a pussy. I thought this was the man who was going to take on this mythical Illuminati full force to the point where they had to kill him? Yet he wouldn't even talk about them?
He clearly said that "I'm putting a K to it to kill that shit off", immediately after criticizing the theory itself, saying that it’s a complete waste of time. That's where "Killuminati" came from.
LOL, and when did you "prove" that Tupac believe in it? There is only one single interview where he was specifically asked about the Illuminati, and he denied that such a group existed, brushed it off as a retarded conspiracy theory and said that he waned to "kill" the idea of the theory itself.
@AntonBatey See I know what you are doing. You keep bringing up things that you think and keep forgetting that I already proved it to you. What you are doing is hearing what he said and making your OWN interpretation of what he said. You can't be that dumb.
@Lawless66007 And you cannot prove that such a "secret society" exists. The Illiminati is like a religious belief in god: as ten different people what it is and you'll get ten different answer, meaning that its definition has been completely evacuated of any substantive meaning. People who believe it claim that anything that they consider negative is part of it.
The reason Tupac wasn't happy when he was with Death Row was because he was out on bail, on appeal. He was afraid that he would go back to prison any day. They could have called him back and sent him to jail anytime. And Death Row was helping him with a lot of the legal fees. So saying he was leaving is ridiculous.
What Napoleon said is confirmed in my interview with him. Also, Tupac firing Kenner as his lawyer means nothing. Molly Menundez said that he hired him back. Also, the quotes in Resurrection were not authentic, especially when they made him say, "when I was with Death Row, I was successful, but not happy". He never said that, and they spliced interviews together. The fact that you don't know that shows you're not bright when it comes to this.
rip tupac the greatest
jayd4ever 8 months ago
for anyone to believe suge set this up... u smoking crack. cause yeah u go get in a damn car and let someone shoot your ass up and u in car. are u IMBECILES FOR REAL??????????????????????????????????????
hate suge all u want but dont be a fucking moron.
4everliam 11 months ago
pac was a modern day profit. the man predicted his own death..... i vote pac for president in the afterlife.
lightbourne74 1 year ago
is there a real video of 2pac's murder or just remake's?
LAxFil3s 1 year ago
he was killed cuz it was political sh1it, he was an activist, he discovered somethings about Illuminati and started to make this public, and he was the BIGGEST raper in America, so he had a good influence on the people, and thats why he got shoot. When he died it was a perfect assassination with all the rules achived!
DrillOne1 1 year ago
@DrillOne1 this THEORY is dumb as well. WHAT PART OF HIM STOMPING DOWN A CRIP WHILE RUNNING WITH BLOODS DO U DUMBASSES NOT GET? IT WAS A RETALIATION. STOP MAKING SHIT INTO MORE THAN IT WAS. JESUS.
4everliam 11 months ago
@4everliam then explain how can you escape from a drive by in a desert AND in AMERICA where the cops are just like rivers.... and no1 witness the drive by...wtf? the most visitated town in America - Las Vegas and that night Tupac didn't had the bulletproof vest, perfect assasination, succefuly getaway, no single witness, and who was there they didn't talk... don't you see? They protected Suge Knight,and the next day when Tupac died he was cremated? This is illegal! They didn't maked the autopsy
DrillOne1 11 months ago
@4everliam or is maybe the cops done the assasination.... they had telecom on them right? Tupac bodyguard heared on talky-walky " we got him".... and they dissapeared.... and nbody can't do shi1t to cops.. and this isn't the first time when cops done crimes.... so this is more bigger picture then what we realise!
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ThaKilluminatiEye 1 year ago
@ThaKilluminatiEye gtfo you dumb kid!
machia96 1 year ago
@machia96 Not even a kid lool.
ThaKilluminatiEye 1 year ago
@ThaKilluminatiEye Then you're retard for believing in that shit...
machia96 1 year ago
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kalkanciii 1 year ago
the crips killed pac because he beat up orlando anderson. biggie was in debt to the crips and didn't pay them so he got smoked the year after.
damann 1 year ago
i heard when there's a crime ya follow the money trail / afta pac and big died look at jigga's sales
sugghill 1 year ago
the illuminati killed tupac
Cetnik1389 1 year ago
how hard is it to find a white car fitting the crime? Track the car and find the evidence and you got your killers possibly.
robertlewisvazquez 1 year ago
Ppl wake up pac is alive he is in hiding watch the vid 7 day theroy that gives a hint that he is still alive but just in hididng he is coming back in 2014
chestpass21 1 year ago
was biggie? :D
Remixhelder 2 years ago
Pac bless ya man love ya rest in peace broda
boyzinyourclub 2 years ago
Is this worth buying ????
qCOMODOp 2 years ago
No.
AntonBatey 2 years ago
@16451trey
lol, great response
AntonBatey 2 years ago
@AntonBatey But just like I thought, people with no knowlege and stays closed minded always goes off running when the truth starts coming. Sort of like telling them that Santa Claus isn't real LOL.
Lawless66007 1 year ago
Yeah, I can no longer debate someone with such little knowledge about Tupac asto where there deny that THUGLIFE was an acronym for what I said it stood for. That's pretty elementary. And saying that it’s "laughable" is calling Tupac himself laughable.
And you're the one who said you don't know what you believe.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey Please you don't know anything about the THUG LIFE program. All you know is what the acronym is and STILL don't believe what he was about. You can't debate any longer because you don't have anymore bullshit to think of. You ran out of things to make up about something you know nothing about.
Lawless66007 1 year ago
@Lawless66007
No, you denied that that's what the acronym even was. Since you didn't know that the debate is limited in scope. It would be like a professor debating a middle school student. And what did I make up? You seem like the one who is making up answers on the fly. Everything I have said I have been saying for years.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey You made up the fact that he wasn't about the Elite(Illuminati) you made up the fact that he was out to kill Black Entrepeneurs and you made up the fact that there is no known group just because you don't believe there is. Did I leave anything out?
Lawless66007 1 year ago
1. I said that Tupac didn't believe in the Illuminati, which he didn’t, according to the interview with Bob Marriott.
2. I didn't say Tupac advocated the killing of other Black entrepreneurs, I said that he spent lots of time dissing them, which not saying a word about the government, except every now and then, and the things he said weren't even that radical.
3. I said that there is no proof of such a society, and due to that lack of proof, it should not believed.
Try harder.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey Double Entandre, look it up. It means that you say one thing but you can use it two ways. Tupac was intelligent, do you think that he would outright come out and says something bad about the government. See you only go by what he says on his albums. You have NO idea who he is, do you?
Lawless66007 1 year ago
Oh, I see. So in other words, when Tupac denied their existence, that really means he BELIEVED in their existence. Got it. That makes so much sense.
So if Tupac came out and talked about the Illuminati outright, according to your line of reasoning that would mean that he DIDN'T believe it. Eh?
It's so incredibly obvious that you’re just making answers up as you go along.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey What are you interpretting in this debate. I think that you take in information, think of something else and spit out what you came up with.
Lawless66007 1 year ago
@Lawless66007
If what you said is true, and "Killuminati" meant that he wanted to kill the members of the Illumnatni and the Illuminati itself as an actual organization, that would mean that he WAS publicly saying that he believed in it, which contradicts what you said about Tupac being more subtle with the Illuminati, and not saying outright that he believed in it.
You know what I'm saying?
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey He didn't say that he was gonna physically kill off members of the Illuminati. He was saying that he was gonna shut down the whole organizaiton. Kill of the Illuminati group. Not physically kill and murder people. I told you you're interpretting skills are WAY OFF.
Lawless66007 1 year ago
Then you're contradicting yourself. First you said that Tupac said that he didn't believe in the organization because he didn't want it to be know too much that he thought they existed, and now you're saying that he was making an album NAMED after what he wanted to do, and that’s to kill off an entire organization which is supposedly ultra-secret and powerful.
So which one is it? You can’t have it both ways.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey LMAO!! I knew it. You can't take in information. I never said that he never believed in a secret organization, YOU DID. I been here the whole time trying to convince you that he did believe and you turned around and said that I said what YOU were saying the whole time. This whole time I been trying to tell you that he was out to shut down this whole organization and you were the one saying that he never knew anything about it.
Lawless66007 1 year ago
I know you've been saying that Tupac never said he didn't believe in such a fictional organization, you're saying that Tupac was lying about him not believing in it, although you contradict yourself and claim that he named a CD after wanting to kill the very organization, and I’m asking what proof you have that he even believed in the organization to begin with.
Go ahead. Give me a few sources.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
But again, if you listen to the interview, which you haven't, you'll hear Tupac say that he named that album that because he wanted to kill of the theory itself, not a group or society that he didn't even believe existed.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@Lawless66007
Just to claim victory over you, watch the video "2pac acronim of thug life" here on YouTube. Tupac said, "T.H.U.G.L.I.F.E.: The Hate U Gave Little Infants Fucks Everybody".
Dumbass 30 year old who believe in the Illuminati.
Done with you.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey Like I said before all you are gonna do is not come with any known fact to what you claim and result to insults. LMAO!! What you thought you was the only person I ever debated against? I'm coming with an intellegent debate and you resort to a child-like attitude. Knows what the acronym is but don't know who he's talking about LMAO!! Laughable. Not Pac, YOU.
Lawless66007 1 year ago
@Lawless66007
You're not coming to debate intelligently when you have baseless theories that you pass off as facts. Just about all the points I said you didn't respond to any of them. For instance, what Tupac was doing the last few years of his life, and how it was not in accordance with what you claim it was in terms of going against he government.
And no, you didn't know what it stood for until I told you.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey Wanna bet? There are plenty of facts out there that prove what I said and there is even a video that has a person that did an investigation of his whole life on Youtube. Let me make it clear for you, throughout our whole debate everytime you said some thing you always started with "I". "I believe" or "I know" and the whole time I was on here I never once said "I" or "I believe". I might of said "I keep an open mind". So who sounds more intelligent?
Lawless66007 1 year ago
Which person are you talking about who dedicated his whole life to the investigation?
Also, theories are to be rejected if there is no sufficient evidence to substantiate it. Using your line of reasons, we should also keep an open mind that Will Smith killed Tupac. Certain theories are to be rejected because a) they lack any evidence, b) defy common sense.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
*reasoning
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@Lawless66007
It's pretty simple for me, but impossible for you. The first thing you have to do is prove that such a "secret society" exists within the framework you claim it does. Then you have to prove that Tupac even believed it existed, which he denied in the interview with Bob Marriott. Then you have to complete the ultimate impossible task and prove that Tupac, of all people, posed a threat to such a powerful organization.
Go ahead and explain. I'll wait.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey See, that's why you keep going around in circles. I already told, and proved, that Tupac believed in an Illuminati. You just don't want to except it, block it out and keep saying that he didn't. Apparently you only think that the Illuminati exist through Tupac. Goes to show how closed minded you are. There are plenty of tapes and videos on here that has people talking about it. And apparently there are more people that believe it than you so what does that tell you?
Lawless66007 1 year ago
Tupac said out of his own mouth that he didn't believe it, so there is no debate about it. He used the same point that I usually make: how certain people in lower sectors know about this "ultra secret" society and their plans for the world, as Tupac rhetorically asked. He even criticized the loons who lay attention to the "signs" on the dollar bills, advising them to GET the money, and don’t give a damn about any "symbols" on it. What proof is there that he believed it?
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey Pin point me to this fact about him saying that he don't believe in the Illuminati. I told you that my mind is open.
Lawless66007 1 year ago
In the interview with Robert Marriott a few weeks before he died. It was his last major interview. Just type in "Tupac talks about the Illuminati" or something. It's an old interview that I first heard over ten years ago, but he totally rejected the theory itself, making fun of people who claim they know all about such societies and their secrets, and people who spend time analyzing dollars for signs, and all that crap. Like the "all seeing eye". That stuff.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey No he didn't. You're interpretation game is all the way messed up LMAO!!
Lawless66007 1 year ago
Yes, he certainly did. And the only people who misinterpret that interview are non-
English speaking people, who can't understand that Tupac is dismissing a theory which he correctly thinks is ludicrous. If he believed it, he would have said so. Tupac was a blunt man, not a pussy. Besides, if "Killuminati" means what you say it does (Tupac wanted to kill an actual organization) that would mean he is publicly saying he believes it exists in the first place.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey EXACTLY!!! Now you are getting it. He did believe in the group and he was saying that he was gonna bring down the whole organization. He knows it exists and he knows people that were apart of it. You keep taking in the information and twisting it and spit it back out to what you think he's saying.
Lawless66007 1 year ago
No, he said that he DIDN'T believe that such a group existed.
You contradict yourself and say that he lied just to downplay his supposed knowledge of the group, yet you claim he would make an album and name it after what he publicly wanted to do.
Which is it?
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey When did he say he don't believe that they exist? I asked you to bring me proof and yet you have done so. Where is this "fact" that you speak of. And I'ma tell you, if you are doing this because you think that I'ma back off I'm letting you know that I love stuff like this and I'ma drive you crazy unless you prove me wrong LOL.
Lawless66007 1 year ago
I told you, in the interview with Bob Marriott he dismissed the theory. Too bad you never even heard the interview, just as you didn’t know what THUGLIFE stood for.
Also, your asking me to prove a negative. When did Tupac say that space aliens DIDN’T exist? He didn’t, so he must have believed in them. According to your faulty line of reasoning, that would be correct.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey You're going to the THUG LIFE argument again? Oh speaking of which you never told me who he was speaking of that the acronym stood for. And we wern't talking about aliens. You're drifting, man LMAO!! I asked you for facts and you STILL have not came up with anything. So far you lied about what I said, you lied about what Tupac stood for and you pretty much put words in Tupac's mouth. I gave you mutliple facts and you dismissed them and started making things up. This is fun.
Lawless66007 1 year ago
You haven't provided any facts. I have been pwning you this entire time to where you contradicted yourself, you admitted that you didn’t even hear various interviews and that you don’t know what you believe.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey Is that what you think you did? LMAO!! You give me the acronym to THUG LIFE with no knowlege about what it stood for and who it was for and game me all these replies about made up thoughts of yours and you say that I didn't give you any facts. Even though I gave you a video where he talks about getting back at the Elites(Illuminati) and gave you his background, told you what his music meant and you draw you own conclusions and claim them as facts.
Lawless66007 1 year ago
So you basically admit that Tupac lied about saying he didn’t believe in the Illuminati, even after you asked me for proof of where you said he lied about it, by saying that Tupac, in a pussified fashion, "didn't outright come out and say something bad about the government", and now you’re saying that he really DID believe it, even though you still haven't provided any proof.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey Not what I said at all. That's what YOU said. And I'm starting to think that you took that piece of what I said out of another comment I posted and applied it to this one. You keep trying to force words on people. LMAO it's halarious.
Lawless66007 1 year ago
@Lawless66007
No, go look, it's what you said. Don't pin your stupidity onto me, lad.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey I know what I said. You just don't UNDERSTAND what I said. You twisted it around so much that you pretty much said that I said something that I didn't say LOL.
Lawless66007 1 year ago
@Lawless66007
Also, you're the first person who claim that the Illuminati wasn't a sector of the government, namely their Black Ops apparatus. Congratulations, you’re the hundredth person I've talked to who has their own personal definition of what the Illuminati even is!
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey Wanna know why, because nobody knows who the Illuminati is. Maybe that's why there are so many "personal definition"s. Have you thought about that? But just know this, they are an Elite group of people that you don't know what they are or who they are. Open your mind, Neo LOL.
Lawless66007 1 year ago
So then there is no reason to believe it if it doesn't even have a definition. It's pointless. I can come up with my own definition too.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey That's your thought process. But beause you believe that doesn't mean that everybody else has to think that either. It's the whole point of me saying that you have to open your mind. Learn things. Even if you don't believe it's true.
Lawless66007 1 year ago
@Lawless66007
LOL, so Biggie was part of the Illuminati?
Man, you are just plain retarded.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey Didn't say Biggie was, but who's to say he wasn't? How do you know that he didn't know something either. Remember, his killer isn't found either. Maybe him and Pac knew something. That's MY thoughts, not facts but I'm just letting you know how open my mind is to things. That's all I'm saying.
Lawless66007 1 year ago
Ohhhh, so again, ANYONE can be part of the Illuminati, according to you. How do we know that Afeni isn’t part of it? How do we know that Tupac wasn’t part of it? I saw a picture of him doing that diamond sign with his hands, a sure indication that he was part of the Illuminati.
lol
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey By George I think he's got it!!! Keep going, you may finally understand what were talking about LMAO!!!
Lawless66007 1 year ago
@Lawless66007
Oh, so you're admitting that you said Tupac was a pussy since you apparantly agree with my last post.
I see.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey Prove that I said that please?
Lawless66007 1 year ago
lol, and when did you prove that Tupac believe in it? The ONE time he talked about it he dismissed it, which you claim he lied about.
So tell me the interview where he said he believed it?
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey YOU think he dismissed. Here's an example of what you do. I'll say "Look, that apple is about to fall" and you say "No that apple is about to fall". I'll say "That's what I said" and then you say "No you didn't. You said that it fell". You see how dumb you sound?
Lawless66007 1 year ago
@Lawless66007
LOL, you ADMITTED that he dismissed it, but you covered up for the fact by saying that he "didn't outright come out and say something bad about the government"
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey Further explain. I'ma have you start doing this LMAO!!
Lawless66007 1 year ago
Word for word......
Me: I said that Tupac didn't believe in the Illuminati, which he didn’t, according to the interview with Bob Marriott.
You: Tupac was intelligent, do you think that he would outright come out and says something bad about the government.
You said that an hour ago. See how stupid you look now?
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey So now you're arguing the fact that I said that he would outright come out and says something bad about the government. I thought the whole time we were arguing the fact that Tupac knew about the Illuminati? Reaching....
Lawless66007 1 year ago
@Lawless66007
Yes, he knew about the theory and be DISMISSED it. You admit he dismissed it, but claim he was just lying.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
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@AntonBatey Never claimed he dissmissed it, but you did finally admit that he DID know about a Illuminati. Which is what you said that he didn't believe there was one.
Lawless66007 1 year ago
@Lawless66007
When did I claim Tupac never heard of it? In that interview that you never heard, Tupac said that people in prison were talking to him about it, and he dismissed it.
So you're setting up a strawman.
At any rate, I'm sick of having to type in a code each time I respond here, so we'll debate this later over the airwaves.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey No you said that he never BELIEVED there was one. You never said that he dissmissed it. It wasn't till I proved to you that he DID believe there was one. I don't know, I'm already starting to see it's a waste of time. All you are gonna do is keep turning my words around and no comprehend what I tell you. You are aonly gonna have limited information and assumptions. Really debating if its worth it.
Lawless66007 1 year ago
@Lawless66007
LOL, how would it be possible for Tupac to dismiss a theory if the theory didn't exist?
Idiot.
Tupac knew about the theory and dismissed it.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
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@AntonBatey "LOL, how would it be possible for Tupac to dismiss a theory if the theory didn't exist?" EXCATLY WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET OUT OF YOU!!!! This is YOUR thoughts, NOT MINE!
Lawless66007 1 year ago
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@AntonBatey And is it me or is this YOU contradiction. I thought you said that he didn't know or believe in this theory.
Lawless66007 1 year ago
@Lawless66007
Anyway, are you on for the debate tonight? Please reply to your inbox. If not, I'll assume you're a pussy like you claim that Tupac was.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey When did I say that Tupac was a pussy?
Lawless66007 1 year ago
By saying that he wouldn't "something bad about the government". That makes someone a scared pussy. Yet you contradicted yourself on that already.
Also, I'm noticing that you’re not replying to me challenge for a live, recorded debate.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey That's your interpretation of what that meant. I never said that's what I meant by it. Check your inbox.
Lawless66007 1 year ago
@Lawless66007
It's like you saying, "that apple is about to fall", and I reply that it will too, and tell you to watch uot because the apple will fall, and you say, "what are you talking about? I never said that apple will fall".
See how dumb you sound when you flatly contradict yourself?
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey See prime example of what you do. You always add extra false things into something to try to come off like you know what you are talking about. You can't handle a discussion. Somehow you are trying to be right about something but you nor I have any idea what it is. Maybe that's why there are alot of people that don't agree with you on things. Maybe you can't comprehend.
Lawless66007 1 year ago
@Lawless66007
Yeah, people usually say that when they know they've lost. Still waiting for you to reply to me so that we can have a recorded debate that I'll post on YouTube......
Unless you're afraid.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey But see now here's what you are doing. You're trying to stay off course, make up something to be right about and not providing facts. This is a funny ass debate LMAO!!
Lawless66007 1 year ago
Yes, it is rather funny. Someone who has contradicted themselves a few times, admits that they don’t know what their talking about and has provided no quotes from Tupac saying what you claim.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey "Yes, it is rather funny. Someone who has contradicted themselves a few times, admits that they don’t know what their talking about and has provided no quotes from Tupac saying what you claim." You've finally realize your thought process. I thought this was gonna be an all-nighter LMAO!!
Lawless66007 1 year ago
I've heard racist people who believe in the Illuminati say that it's a group trying to promote miscegenation and kill of the white man. I have heard anti-racists who believe in the Illuminati say that it’s a racist group full of white men to hold back minorities. I have heard people who think global warming, for example, if a government conspiracy, and I have heard groups say that it’s a group that promotes pollution. It totally depends who you talk to.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@Lawless66007
Yeah, still waiting on proof that Tupac believe in the Illuminati.
Oh.....that's right. You cannot provide any.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey takes in information, deletes it and then says he never got it. I know people have a hard talking to you face to face LMAO!!
Lawless66007 1 year ago
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@Lawless66007
Don't say that just because I am making you eat your own words and am beating you in the head with your own stupidity.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey You have to actaully know what I said to make me eat my words LMAO!!
Lawless66007 1 year ago
@Lawless66007
I directly quoted you. You just feel stupid about them.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey Yeah but you took that out of context.
Lawless66007 1 year ago
@Lawless66007
No I didn't. Anytime I catch you in a contradiction you claim that.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey You can't just say that I contradicted myself, you have to have a fact that I did. You keep making things up and THEN say I contradicted myself. But I know that YOU did. We started out by you talking about how Pac never knew nor believed in the Illuminati and then by the time we got here you have said and PROVED that Tupac DID know and have knowlege of the Illuminati. That my friend is CONTRADICTION!
Lawless66007 1 year ago
I copy and pasted what you said. Unless you think the Illuminati took over your computer for a few seconds and typed that for you.
Is that what happened?
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey What sense are you making here? I'm not following you. You said something about how you copied and pasted but it was from something else that had nothing to do with what we were talking about and you put it in and then said I said something that I didn't. I think that's what happened.
Lawless66007 1 year ago
@Lawless66007
I copy and pasted from something YOU said after I said that Tupac said that he didn't believe in the Illuminati.
Don't start to LIE and said you dind't say it.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey Not lying. You copied and pasted something I said in another part of the discussion and tried to use it to mean something else AND THEN said that I "called him a pussy".
Lawless66007 1 year ago
So when did Tupac say in Hit Em Up that he was dissing all those people because they were part of an elite? What interview did he say that in? Give me a single quote, from lyrics or interview….......
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey Ok I'll play this game. When in all of his interviews and videos did he say that there was NO ILLUMINATI nor mentions the word ILLUMINATI?
Lawless66007 1 year ago
@Lawless66007
Only one. The Bob Marriott interview, where you say Tupac was lying.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey No I never said he was lying ,YOU did.
Lawless66007 1 year ago
@Lawless66007
Are you kidding? You said that Tupac "didn't outright come out and say something bad about the government" (your words).
In other words, Tupac was a pussy.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey And what was it pertaining to?
Lawless66007 1 year ago
@Lawless66007
Anyway, respond to your inbox. I said that we can debate this tonight. I keep having to type in a code every time I post now, so we’ll finish this tonight in a live debate. I’ll then post it on YouTube for entertainment.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
You didn't know that it stood for, and and therefore whom it was directed towards. Hence the word sin the acronym, "little infants", meaning that, according to Tupac, the ills of the ghetto where people are subject to live under in constant and dire poverty is transmitted into the children who becomes products of this environment which "fucks everyone".
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey OK now who's THEY.
Lawless66007 1 year ago
@Lawless66007
If you didn't think that the Illuminati was the government then why did you mention that Tupac didn’t want to say anything bad about the government by talking shit about the Illuminati.
lol, keep contradicting yourself.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@Lawless66007
And I'm saying that since you ask for negative evidence, which is illogical, by YOUR line of reasoning you can conclude that he believed in aliens because after all, when did he say that he DIDN'T believe in them? Likewise, you asked me where did Tupac say he DIDN'T believe in the Illuminati, although I gave you a source.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey You're bringing in nonsense into this debate. You're reaching LMAO!! Stay on course. Illuminati and Tupac. See you're running. I thought you said you won this debate. Face it, you're brain isn't right.
Lawless66007 1 year ago
@Lawless66007 I'm showing you the pattern in your line of reasoning. You said that because Tupac doesn't say something doesn't exist, that means that that is reason to believe he did think something exists. You can use any example of something he never even mentioned and because of that, according to you, that would be proof that he believed that it exists.
Did you understand it that time?
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey Nope you can't show me a pattern. Because what you do is see my pattern and then you veer off somewhere else and then end up somewhere else and say that that's what I did. You can't do that. So far you destroyed everything we talked about and still haven't came up with one point about anything.
Lawless66007 1 year ago
@Lawless66007
And I'll ask again, when did Tupac say that he believed in the Illuminati? The one interview we have where he talks about it, you claim that he's lying. So where is the proof that he believed it?
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey When did I say that he was lying? Please go back and copy and paste. And if you alter it I'ma grab it myself and paste it again. You keep making things up man. You're not looking very intellegent right now, man.
Lawless66007 1 year ago
You said 24 minutes ago "do you think that he would outright come out and says something bad about the government" after I proved to you that he didn't believe that the Illuminati exists. That was your excuse as to why he denied their existence. Then you claim that he would make a whole album named after wanting to kill them.
So ahead, make up a reply on the fly, like you have been doing.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
So explain why Tupac would "outright come out and says something bad about the government" (your words) like NAMING AN ALBUM AFTER THEM, yet he didn't have the balls to state the same thing in an interview which you have never even heard.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey I'm the one that gave you the video of the interview and you tell me that I never heard about it? And the reason why "he didn't outright come out and say something bad about the government" (which he did and was doing since he was young by the way) is that maybe, I don't know, THEY'D KILL HIM?? And by "they'd" I mean the Elite(Illuminati)
Lawless66007 1 year ago
No you didn't, you asked what video I was talking about when I mentioned the Bob Marriott one. And why would Tupac have the balls to name a CD after his wanting to kill an organization yet in an interview, "he didn't outright come out and say something bad about the government"?
Clear up that contradiction of yours, kiddo.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey You're right, I didn't say he didn't outright come out and say something bad about the government. But the Elite(Illuminati) isn't the government. It's an elite group of powerful rich people. I told you that you can't process information right.
Lawless66007 1 year ago
Oh, suddenly their NOT the government?
LOL, more proof again that it depends who you talk to if you want to know what the Illuminati is.
Also, what you said makes no sense. Why did you even bother to mention the "government" if the Illuminati wasn't even the government, according to you.
Another contradiction.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey I didn't mention the governent. YOU DID.
Lawless66007 1 year ago
No, you did. All I did was mention what Tupac said about the Illuminati, and how he didn’t believe in it, and you said that, "duhhhh….......…he didn't wanna talk shit about the government".
And I'm not "twisting" anything, I'm straightening it out. You keep contradicting yourself.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey Hold on! so what you are saying is that Tupac DID know about the Illuminati???? Waits for this reply............
Lawless66007 1 year ago
When did I say that? lol, Tupac said he didn't believe in the Illuminati in the Marriott interview. You knew that and you claimed that Tupac was lying, and was being a pussy because he didn’t want to talk shit about the government (even though you later contradicted yourself and said that the Illuminati ISN’T the government).
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey Ok let me really break that down for you because you clearly don't process things right. When I said that he won't outright talk about the government is what I was saying abou him rapping and using his words to double talk. What you heard when you thought he was dissing somebody, he was dising the government about how things were in the black community. When was dissing other rappers and "black entrepeneurs" he was dissing the ones that were part of the Elite(Illuminati).
Lawless66007 1 year ago
You just said that Tupac was lying and was being a pussy. So the one time Tupac publicly talked about it and denied their existence, you ignore that, say he was lying, yet you don’t have any quotes which said he believes it.
And when did Tupac say that he was dissing those people for that reason? Tupac never said that, in fact, he was blunt about why he disses everyone he did, and NEVER did he say it was because they were part of the "elite".
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey See this is why you have to do your research on the person that you are talking about. If you knew what type of person that he was and all the interviews he's done and the documentaries and the interviews from the people that knew him you wouldn't be this damn clueless. Instead you're gonna keep sitting here claiming that I said something knowing that I didn't and keep believing what you want. You aren't gonna make it far anywhere LOL.
Lawless66007 1 year ago
@Lawless66007
In other words......you can't give me a single source.
Thanks for the admission.
I'd love to interview you and post it on YouTube for entertainment. Let me know if you want to.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey We can do it, when you want it? I must warn you, it may dicredit your whole video. I don't know if you want to do that to yourself.
Lawless66007 1 year ago
@Lawless66007
Tonight. Leave me your contact information in my inbox.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
And I do know the type of person Tupac was. He was blunt, outspoken and honest, which conflicts with you making Tupac into a PUSSY by saying that he would never criticize the government.
Maybe its you that should watch more documentaries about him.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey No YOU tried to make him into a PUSSY. But I see what you are doing. You're using my words against me because you don't have any thoughts of your own. LMAO!!
Lawless66007 1 year ago
You're the one who said that Tupac didn't want to talk shit about the government. I'm the one saying that he was blunt and honest.
Dumbass.
Don't make me quote you and embarrass you again. lol
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey And why did I say that he didn't want to talk outright against the government?
Lawless66007 1 year ago
@Lawless66007
You said that he didn't want to because of the possibly that me might get killed. Yet you contradict yourself by claiming that he would name a whole album after his intention to kill them.
Contradiction again, kid.
So what is it? Was Tupac afraid or not? You can't have it both ways unless you take back what you said.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey Ok now let's expand your mind a little more on this whole thing. Tupac was a product of the Elite(Illuminati). He didn't like what they were making him do so he wanted to rebel against them. He had to make albums for them so he hid messages behind what he saying so that it would come off as talking about them outright (remember that?) Hence KILLUMINATI. He wasn't a pussy, he was a genius.
Lawless66007 1 year ago
And that is a contradiction. One day he didn’t "come out and say something bad about the government", and the next he's naming his CD after his saying "bad about the government".
Again, we'll have a live debate tonight about this.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey Where did "one day" come from?
Lawless66007 1 year ago
@Lawless66007
Also, by saying that because Tupac wouldn't "outright come out and says something bad about the government", you're saying that he is a pussy. I thought this was the man who was going to take on this mythical Illuminati full force to the point where they had to kill him? Yet he wouldn't even talk about them?
LMFAO
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@Lawless66007
He clearly said that "I'm putting a K to it to kill that shit off", immediately after criticizing the theory itself, saying that it’s a complete waste of time. That's where "Killuminati" came from.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey No it's not LMAO!!! YOU think that's what he meant.
Lawless66007 1 year ago
LOL, and when did you "prove" that Tupac believe in it? There is only one single interview where he was specifically asked about the Illuminati, and he denied that such a group existed, brushed it off as a retarded conspiracy theory and said that he waned to "kill" the idea of the theory itself.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
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@AntonBatey See I know what you are doing. You keep bringing up things that you think and keep forgetting that I already proved it to you. What you are doing is hearing what he said and making your OWN interpretation of what he said. You can't be that dumb.
Lawless66007 1 year ago
@Lawless66007 And you cannot prove that such a "secret society" exists. The Illiminati is like a religious belief in god: as ten different people what it is and you'll get ten different answer, meaning that its definition has been completely evacuated of any substantive meaning. People who believe it claim that anything that they consider negative is part of it.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
And that does not negate the fact that he was still out on bail and still could have went back to prison, regardless how much money he had.
AntonBatey 2 years ago
No he didn't. It takes about a year to a year and a half to get royalities.
AntonBatey 2 years ago
The reason Tupac wasn't happy when he was with Death Row was because he was out on bail, on appeal. He was afraid that he would go back to prison any day. They could have called him back and sent him to jail anytime. And Death Row was helping him with a lot of the legal fees. So saying he was leaving is ridiculous.
AntonBatey 2 years ago
I guess. I'd be nice if you can give me a single example though...
AntonBatey 2 years ago
You still didn't tell me what I was wrong about. And what you tried to debate me about you admitted that I was right about anyway.
lol
AntonBatey 2 years ago
Okay, you admitted I was right. Thanks for wasting my time.
AntonBatey 2 years ago
What Napoleon said is confirmed in my interview with him. Also, Tupac firing Kenner as his lawyer means nothing. Molly Menundez said that he hired him back. Also, the quotes in Resurrection were not authentic, especially when they made him say, "when I was with Death Row, I was successful, but not happy". He never said that, and they spliced interviews together. The fact that you don't know that shows you're not bright when it comes to this.
AntonBatey 2 years ago
Give me a single example then.
AntonBatey 2 years ago
No, I'll continute to advocate my opinion. It's not my problem if kids cannot afford a few bucks to watch the DVD.
AntonBatey 2 years ago
So what? I reviewed most of what was in the video. And why would it make sense that I disagree with the video, but yet post it like I'm promoting it.
Get off your lazy ass and buy it for 5 dollars or find it online.