Nothing, but these two sound like they're playing two different songs. Technical brilliance of an instrument does not always transfer into a good song, proof of this is this music.
@miketish4 It's called Progressive, but yeah I know what you mean I'm more into melodic Rock and Roll and sometimes in the simplicity you find more music than in the speed or technique, but Virgil Donati is so ridiculously talented that he can find music over technique I mean you can almost feel the melody coming from percussion, but he is so talented for the other members so they can't keep up to him that is why I don´t like Planet X that much...
Such a beautiful drum kit and the sound of this band is electric! Power/precision/attack..not only the drum kit..but the tones the bass player is producing to give Virgil the benefit of creating parts is excilirating!!! xD
Not knocking the bass player but why does the bass need to sound so bad? I understand it's subjective to taste but seriously it sucks. If it's fretless that would explain it.
@Marlowann I agree about the fretless, in the right place it's good but in this clip I felt it just didn't fit and sounded very muddy. Beyond doubt the bass player is killer but I felt tonally it let him and the jam down. I guess it's more taste than anything else.
@markdlowe It could sound fuller and less muddy I suppose; the bass in Guthrie Govan's "Waves" comes to mind. I am curious to see where else he could go with his tone but this setting always seemed to fit with the sound of the whole band.
great video really love virgil being a drummer myself i really respect him and wondered why DT didnt pick him cause the change of direction could have done them good. I must say playing in a band is great but that chance when its just you and the bassist is awesome especially when working on parts
Part 2: However, some music, made by people like Virgil Donati, is made to intentionally stir a different reaction from its audience. Its focus is on a different aspect of musicality - where the musicians are more interested in manipulating music theory into the most strange or unique forms, while making sure the content is still interesting enough to be listenable.
Part 1: This is my comment to people doubtful of Virgil and his bands' musicality.
To quote someone here: "Music is about feeling and emotion" ... Let's just say I respect your opinion but I take a different view. In my view, music isn't about how much "soul" is in it or how "emotional" it is; music is entertainment. Some music, which you would say has "feeling and emotion," is made by people intentionally to stir that kind of soulful reaction from its audience.
@Brok3nCarlos When I listen to Planet X, it's definitely a musical experience. A very rich one. Just listen to something like the hi-hat at 05:24. It's implying a really nice groove. Frame it against the bass, which is playing a really nice triplet groove of its own, and it's real badass. It has a great 'pulling against itself' feeling. The whole section adds up to a very nice, slippery groove teeming with complex feeling. And that's just one small section. Their music is full of such moments.
I don't know about you guys, but I'm done getting offended over what either side has to say. Dramatic Turn is golden, and Planet X and Donati are damn good in their own right. I've met real life DT fans, and trust me when I say that not a single one of them were nearly as bitchy as some of the more active DT fans on here.
I'm going to look more into Planet X, and then I'm going to listen to Dramatic Turn again. That's my piece, Youtube, you ever-steaming cauldron of butthurt.
Everyone on this video is an immature fuck. This means everyone hating on Virgil because he didn't make DT, and Virgil fans who are trashing DT fans and DT themselves. If you watched "The Spirit Carries On", you'd know that DT was looking for a drummer that played the songs the way that they have always been played, and not someone who tried to improvise. Do you really think that after 25 years, fans are going to want to hear their favorite songs played differently? Grow the fuck up, faggots
Not trashing on Mangini, but I really think that the new Dream Theater drummer should have been Blake Richardson or Virgil Donati. They would have better music with either one of them behind the kit. (I prefer Richardson though)
The reason He didnt get the job was apparently as said by the Keybordist of DT is because he improvised to much... and they wanted the songs played as they were on the album....
les batteurs comme VIRGIL DONATI font progresser l'instrument,le font exister,et cela est déja très important,en plus VIRGIL groove,c'est évident. cela est également très bénéfique pour la musique elle-même ,les musiciens comme VIRGIL sont des explorateurs de nouvelles planètes musicales,il faut aller de l'avant... VIRGIL m'inspire souvent pour ma pratique batteristique personnelle.MERCI a lui pour sa passion continue.DIDIER D'AGOSTINO batteur /compositeur (didier-dagostino-batteur.fr) youtube
It's great. Doesn't make me want to go out and buy a drum kit though. I'm not moved at all in any great emotional sense by this needless noodling and 'look at me I can play extremely convolutedly' kind of music. Great skills though.
Look, this music is unbelievable and they are extremely talented! BUT guys, play with some feel and love, not what you practice. You've already proved to us that you're the best.
I love how no one ever mentions virgil donati in "Best drummers" videos. But that's good, wouldn't want to attract slipknot fanboy retards to donati. Tho, virgil fans are one of the few fanbases that really understands and appriciates what he really does. Not many drummers can handle polyrhythms and play the offhands improvised while playing around with changing the rhythms. I'm happy he had to stay in planet x. Would rather see some new planet x cd's be released than dream theater cd's.
@neoraul20 tell that to 2:10 in on the backs of angels. he plays two different rhythms at the same time (not two time sigs, one rhythm along with the guitar/bass and another rhythm along with keyboards at the same time). im sure virgil and thomas can play it, but im saying it to say that theyre all great. oh, and mike mangini is the worlds fastest drummer and a former professor at berklee in case you forgot
by and bye the way eh, the turquoise drums,(i think the turks discovered it)....or blue green,according to david icke, reptilians have copper based blood while humans have iron..while copper is a trace element in our blood. this goes with the name marduk,nibiru or the band planet X,idig the groove,man. its spicy.
It's a Virgil Donati video, but I'd like to say the bassist did a great job and they were locked in all the time. I don't why there's all this chatter on the Dream Theater tryouts. It's not a career ending rehearsal for Donati or the other drummers who didn't get hired.
DT fans are such babies. Virgil's ability as an overall musician was simply too much for DT fans, not DT. Well, maybe DT too. There is not a more talented musician on the planet than Virgil Donati.
@sixgunsymphony Virgil's ability was too much for DT, not DT fans is what you should have said. I am a fan of DT, just as much as I am of any other talented prog. rock groups. I really wish DT would have went with Marco Minnemann or Virgil Donati, but it wasn't to be. It seems evident that they are both better than mangini, however.
@sixgunsymphony ....what makes your point fact??.....Nothing...it's your oppinion, and your entitled to it.......when it comes to Mangini, Lang, Virgil and Marco and think all 4 can do something that the other 3 can't..............but all are at the top of their game when it comes to being a "Superdrummer"...............thats my oppinion and im sticking to it.
@mikeybbdrummin ........Honestly, I didn't.Yes Virgil is amazing and im not a huge fan of the over the top drumming (what I call it) but it is mind blowing.....But so Is T.Lang, Mangini and Marco....all different but the same goal....To do what the other guy cant do...I read that Virgil and Mangini are friends and talk drums often.....Anyway, Just saying what makes Virgil better then Thomas Lang or the others...but to say Virgil is the most talented is a huge statement.thats all!
@drummernezzy@drummernezzy. Mr. Jimbo plays to the crowd, which is why you, and so many others find him groovy and entertaining (not a bad thing). But when it comes to technique, precision, and an uncanny ability for poly-rhythms, the guy isn't even in the same class, and any drummer of record on here will tell you the same. You need keep looking at Virgil's videos, and you'll start to pick up on the utter style and skill differences.
@sixgunsymphony it won't let me post a link, but watch a drum battle between Akira and Hiroyuki Noritake. ya gotta admit they're kinda good, even if Virgil might possibly own them!
@mattxcox He played a lot at The Grainstore in Melbourne Australia which is where he is from. That was 20 years ago and he was a monster player then. Released an album on vinyl, the band was loose change. Then he did a stint with a pop commercial called Southern Sons and so on when heading to the US.
i loved it when virgil was trying out for dt, they thought he fucked up or didnt know the song, when really he wass trying something that was beyond dream theater, virgil stated "i know how to play the real part it goes like this" he played portnoys simple part then said "i was just trying something new" for once rudess and petruccis minds were blown
I saw this video playing at a percussion shop and laughed saying, "Travis Barker smooths out the rough edges of this dude, who sounds more like a lawnmower with a missing spark plug, or a broken 1970s Sears washing machine!" Some dude said, "hey, screw off! That's Virgil D!" I said, "KMA, fool. Better scope out Barker and get back to me, clown man!" Dude flew through the air and Karate kicked me then whapped me over the head with a ride cymbal. The manager slapped my face and threw me out.
Sick rehearsal!! While I agree that Virgil wouldn't be a good fit for DT, Mangini is amazing. I'm looking forward for the new lineup!' I love DT and PX, too different kinds of music. It's all preference. They both don't suck :). PX is just more on the crazy fusion side :D!! I love that. Anyways, just giving my two cents from a musicians point of view :D. Skadooosh!
Funny thing - if you saw the DT auditions , Virgil.........well............sorta didn't play too good. I mean.........this song here is a lot harder than say, Dance of Eternity ( imo). But Virgil sorta didn't do too well with Dance of eternity
@STIXAHOY what I can feel about those auditions is that they maybe dont want to be "PART" of DT. . . but maybe have a connection with them, like for future solo albums and things like that, or side projects. THats onle an opinion
@systematicdesign uve gota to be joking right? - because dreamtheater didnt pick your favorite u must put the band down to make him look better - Dream Theater is probably the best band there is in the current times - and looking at the way rock is moving...probably the last of its kind.
@TechSwoop he's not putting DT down... he's just putting virgil up... from a technical perspective virgil is much better than portnoy(ask portnoy he'd say the same) portnoy's awesomeness came from his ability to play exactly what was good for the song in the limits of his technical abilities(which were still amazing btw). virgil probably was 'too much' for dream theater and they probably thought the same thing 'bout him, metallica thought about claypool. he'll be better off doing his own stuff.
@c0d3x001 i wouldn't go as far as to say virgil donati was "too much" for dream theater, but rather he wasn't right for dream theater. technically speaking, yes virgil is lightyears away from portnoy. but musically speaking, virgil just wouldn't fit the bill, because that's not what dream theater was looking for.
@c0d3x001 sometime being to good its just too bad for the wrong band/team/situation/realtionship not meaning its bad just in a different perspective of life! imho.
@c0d3x001 Portnoy has no Blues in his veins. I love him and his touch, but he cannot play a shouffle, he just can't. Besides Virgil Donati is very '70s style, he has something of Ian Paice and Neil Peart, so it would sound too "old" and too "warm" for Dream Theater's standards, which is a pity. In fact, to me, the thing that Dream Theater misses most is the fact that they have too less in common with the real Prog bands, the ones from the '60s and '70s, such as ELP, Rush, Yes, Genesis, and so on
@PietroRumenta i think it's great when bands don't have too much in common... i mean who want's to listen to bands all day that sound like every other band... i like when musicians do something different. they don't have to but why not try something out
@c0d3x001 also if you watch the documentary they made on the auditions it was not just a case of how good a drummer a person was but what kind of personality they had and stuff like that so it had to be a whole package when choosing their new drummer
@432drummer yeah i know... i watched the documentary and i think mangini is a great guy and and also a fantastic drummer and i think they're gonna be happy with him but for me as a drummer it would have been incredibly interesting to see how virgil would approach the new dt songs :D
@c0d3x001 just as it happens with mangini now in dt. they're holding him way back. virgil would have died of boredom i guess.. when i heard virgil admire dt and say that dt were always the ones to inspire him i was sitting and thinking - wtf is he talking about?? he outdoes dt all the way around, how can he not figure it out himself?...
@TechSwoop Hey man actually I´m the bigger fan of mangini, (since he played with vai, he is incredible) and dream theater is my favorite ban....I really enjoy the first videos of them playing in Rome....but really Donati is better....listen planet x...honestly is better!!!!!
@systematicdesign He is definiitely godlike on the drums! I saw the whole auditions and he passed all tests, but he wasn't in top 3 of DT's ranking. Donati is not too good, he has just another style and type of creativity. Mangini is perfectly consorting with DT and technically far above all the others.
@zakkwyldeverehrer I totally agree with you. Mangini is awesome, but he was chosen by DT because he is VERSATIL: He can play all the DT songs like (and better) Portnoy...but listen the new cd, he isn´t composer like Donati and dont have the Imagination like Portnoy. (I know the music was composed only by the rest of the guys, but listen the cd and the drums sounds like an session artist, not a drummer heroe).
@systematicdesign Yes, you are totally right and I never said something else;) I bought the new DT album and thought: Fuck, why are the drums so.. holding back?
"Super fast." When someone uses a term like "super fast" while talking about musicianship, you can count on it that they don't know what they're talking about.
@beatfreak1983 Agree ! I recommend you not to force anyone who has their own concept.. World is huge, millions of human... and Thousands of musicians looking videos here.. Is almost impossible to discuss it. just leave stupid comments for themselves, the important here is you have the right understanding for this passion "To be a drummer" and To Learn always for any drummer you would see on YT, be known or not.. Yesterday I was lucky, I have filmed Waldo Madera from one meter of distance!
@beatfreak1983 Agree with you Totally... Musicians are not for a competition.. are for sharing and Learning. Only non mature people can waste time making eternal comparing.. bla bla bla !!! Thanks.
@theinck If I remember correctly, it's the sea green foam color, very much like turquoise. Notice that color has been getting more and more popular? It's a pleasant thing to look at.
is it me or are those floor toms up pretty high?
allmetaliswelcome 2 weeks ago
Virgil has mastered the art of sounding like he cannot keep time, yet he does.
Scrumdilliisious 2 weeks ago
@Scrumdilliisious are you kidding?? his the Father of Time!!
DenyADeadPlanet 2 weeks ago
@DenyADeadPlanet
Totally kidding. lol
Scrumdilliisious 2 weeks ago
@Scrumdilliisious u mean polyrhythmic playing ? ?
daonpa 1 day ago
@daonpa All drumming is polyrhythmic. What Virgil does is polymetric.
Scrumdilliisious 21 hours ago
@Scrumdilliisious thank you for understanding the difference!
CarthageMD 8 hours ago
Nothing, but these two sound like they're playing two different songs. Technical brilliance of an instrument does not always transfer into a good song, proof of this is this music.
miketish4 3 weeks ago
@miketish4 Totally agree, they're amazing musicians, but Planet X is to music as the Harlem Globetrotters are to basketball.
adioskaterdude999 3 weeks ago
@miketish4 It's called Progressive, but yeah I know what you mean I'm more into melodic Rock and Roll and sometimes in the simplicity you find more music than in the speed or technique, but Virgil Donati is so ridiculously talented that he can find music over technique I mean you can almost feel the melody coming from percussion, but he is so talented for the other members so they can't keep up to him that is why I don´t like Planet X that much...
farrex0 4 days ago
Sounds like musical wanking.
miketish4 1 month ago 2
@miketish4 What's so bad about being good at your instrument?
ShittyMcPoopyBalls 3 weeks ago
é msm néh gilberbass, uma pegada mais grovizada msm, com umas fusas, mto bom
ieq2011 1 month ago
Pow........esse dois ai são mtos grooves.....mto foda
gilberbass 1 month ago
Such a beautiful drum kit and the sound of this band is electric! Power/precision/attack..not only the drum kit..but the tones the bass player is producing to give Virgil the benefit of creating parts is excilirating!!! xD
tamaplayer100 2 months ago
lol moonbabies, thought it said manboobies xD
mellewillems 2 months ago 2
Those guys knows something about music! Donati is a very talented drummer!
Samyaza69 2 months ago
Technical ability = 9999999999++++++, musical -00000000000000 Fusion is like torture or bad Jazz.
markdlowe 2 months ago
@markdlowe I felt like I was having a nightmare at some parts but it was rather nice once my ears stopped bleeding :)
AppleFace1228 2 months ago
Not knocking the bass player but why does the bass need to sound so bad? I understand it's subjective to taste but seriously it sucks. If it's fretless that would explain it.
markdlowe 2 months ago
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Marlowann 2 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
@markdlowe No it wouldn't cause there's nothing inherently bad about fretless tone, in any context. Why do you think his bass's tone is bad?
Marlowann 2 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
@Marlowann I agree about the fretless, in the right place it's good but in this clip I felt it just didn't fit and sounded very muddy. Beyond doubt the bass player is killer but I felt tonally it let him and the jam down. I guess it's more taste than anything else.
markdlowe 2 months ago
@markdlowe It could sound fuller and less muddy I suppose; the bass in Guthrie Govan's "Waves" comes to mind. I am curious to see where else he could go with his tone but this setting always seemed to fit with the sound of the whole band.
Marlowann 2 months ago
3:41 xDDDDD!!!!! ahahahahahahahaha
Malmsteen1990 2 months ago
The best!!!
TAGJOSIEL 2 months ago
Imagine Virgil Donati with Justin Bieber...
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
21Niles 2 months ago
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21Niles 2 months ago
great video really love virgil being a drummer myself i really respect him and wondered why DT didnt pick him cause the change of direction could have done them good. I must say playing in a band is great but that chance when its just you and the bassist is awesome especially when working on parts
Evanskick18 2 months ago
Part 2: However, some music, made by people like Virgil Donati, is made to intentionally stir a different reaction from its audience. Its focus is on a different aspect of musicality - where the musicians are more interested in manipulating music theory into the most strange or unique forms, while making sure the content is still interesting enough to be listenable.
senorvolasco 3 months ago
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senorvolasco 3 months ago
Part 1: This is my comment to people doubtful of Virgil and his bands' musicality.
To quote someone here: "Music is about feeling and emotion" ... Let's just say I respect your opinion but I take a different view. In my view, music isn't about how much "soul" is in it or how "emotional" it is; music is entertainment. Some music, which you would say has "feeling and emotion," is made by people intentionally to stir that kind of soulful reaction from its audience.
senorvolasco 3 months ago
He is not from human race.. no problem
Si1212 3 months ago
Virgil is a babe in the woods when it comes to music sensitivity.
Samsgarden 3 months ago
is this even considered music?? music is about feeling and emotion. i'm afraid that this is way too far. but still fucking mental
Brok3nCarlos 3 months ago
@Brok3nCarlos When I listen to Planet X, it's definitely a musical experience. A very rich one. Just listen to something like the hi-hat at 05:24. It's implying a really nice groove. Frame it against the bass, which is playing a really nice triplet groove of its own, and it's real badass. It has a great 'pulling against itself' feeling. The whole section adds up to a very nice, slippery groove teeming with complex feeling. And that's just one small section. Their music is full of such moments.
ibanezcassidy 2 months ago
I don't know about you guys, but I'm done getting offended over what either side has to say. Dramatic Turn is golden, and Planet X and Donati are damn good in their own right. I've met real life DT fans, and trust me when I say that not a single one of them were nearly as bitchy as some of the more active DT fans on here.
I'm going to look more into Planet X, and then I'm going to listen to Dramatic Turn again. That's my piece, Youtube, you ever-steaming cauldron of butthurt.
Foxer35 3 months ago
So f***ing AWSOME, can't wait for these guys to come to sweden some more time!
pumbazheman 3 months ago
MMM This is awesome! I love all his musical projects.
OnTheBlocksMedia 4 months ago
Essa cara é um monstro.
Psycho10000dc 4 months ago
Everyone on this video is an immature fuck. This means everyone hating on Virgil because he didn't make DT, and Virgil fans who are trashing DT fans and DT themselves. If you watched "The Spirit Carries On", you'd know that DT was looking for a drummer that played the songs the way that they have always been played, and not someone who tried to improvise. Do you really think that after 25 years, fans are going to want to hear their favorite songs played differently? Grow the fuck up, faggots
XxStrongDrums1996xX 4 months ago
@XxStrongDrums1996xX It's Youtube, so more or less business as usual.
Foxer35 3 months ago
Not trashing on Mangini, but I really think that the new Dream Theater drummer should have been Blake Richardson or Virgil Donati. They would have better music with either one of them behind the kit. (I prefer Richardson though)
irwin3036able 4 months ago
thanks for writing out the time signatures... now please make it in a color that shows up so I can read it!
SeeThroughHead1 4 months ago
The reason He didnt get the job was apparently as said by the Keybordist of DT is because he improvised to much... and they wanted the songs played as they were on the album....
123justincredible 4 months ago
The drumming is absolutely astonishing, but am i the only one that realize that the bass at the beginning is pretty damn awesome too
william10212 5 months ago
So much for "white guys not having rhythm"....
MrDcamillo 5 months ago
5:23 = KICK ASS
carlyheartsmakeup5 5 months ago
les batteurs comme VIRGIL DONATI font progresser l'instrument,le font exister,et cela est déja très important,en plus VIRGIL groove,c'est évident. cela est également très bénéfique pour la musique elle-même ,les musiciens comme VIRGIL sont des explorateurs de nouvelles planètes musicales,il faut aller de l'avant... VIRGIL m'inspire souvent pour ma pratique batteristique personnelle.MERCI a lui pour sa passion continue.DIDIER D'AGOSTINO batteur /compositeur (didier-dagostino-batteur.fr) youtube
dagostinoification 5 months ago
I've seen a Virgil show closely in Prato (Italy). It was wonderful and Virgil was happy and very available with all fans...
blacktenebrarum 5 months ago
depois que conheci o trabalho de Virgil, sinceramente passei a encarar a bateria de uma forma diferente. Ele é o cara!
megamaccedo 5 months ago
I think I'm more impressed with the bass lol.
OpenCasket19 6 months ago
@OpenCasket19 I guess because youre not a drummer....
bonhati 5 months ago
@bonhati
I'm not a bassist either...
OpenCasket19 5 months ago
Virgil is a MONSTER!!!!!!
oddtimekeeper 6 months ago
i was suggested by the new music youtube thing because i liked bobby jarzombeck....this is crap jazz/ noise.
imacowtipper1 6 months ago
what a beast
TheMASDrummer 6 months ago 2
Virgil Donati was born to play the drums..
XXXCRSPL 6 months ago
It's great. Doesn't make me want to go out and buy a drum kit though. I'm not moved at all in any great emotional sense by this needless noodling and 'look at me I can play extremely convolutedly' kind of music. Great skills though.
petehasplans 6 months ago
@petehasplans So true.
exntryk 5 months ago
Look, this music is unbelievable and they are extremely talented! BUT guys, play with some feel and love, not what you practice. You've already proved to us that you're the best.
zac23godwin 6 months ago
I love how no one ever mentions virgil donati in "Best drummers" videos. But that's good, wouldn't want to attract slipknot fanboy retards to donati. Tho, virgil fans are one of the few fanbases that really understands and appriciates what he really does. Not many drummers can handle polyrhythms and play the offhands improvised while playing around with changing the rhythms. I'm happy he had to stay in planet x. Would rather see some new planet x cd's be released than dream theater cd's.
Majtzy 6 months ago
@Majtzy I totally agree with you
systematicdesign 6 months ago
Virgil Donati and Thomas Lang can eat Mike Mangini for breakfast any day! Wow
neoraul20 6 months ago
@neoraul20 tell that to 2:10 in on the backs of angels. he plays two different rhythms at the same time (not two time sigs, one rhythm along with the guitar/bass and another rhythm along with keyboards at the same time). im sure virgil and thomas can play it, but im saying it to say that theyre all great. oh, and mike mangini is the worlds fastest drummer and a former professor at berklee in case you forgot
fxxxprofanity 6 months ago
Man I really love all these technical drummers. We are really living at time in history where new ground is being broken and it's awesome.
omicronpersei88 6 months ago
no question this guy is the best. he practices all day everyday. watch out
TheMASDrummer 6 months ago
Serious talent here..... but not for me
ben2nd 6 months ago
by and bye the way eh, the turquoise drums,(i think the turks discovered it)....or blue green,according to david icke, reptilians have copper based blood while humans have iron..while copper is a trace element in our blood. this goes with the name marduk,nibiru or the band planet X,idig the groove,man. its spicy.
noodlesmealey 6 months ago
Is it just me or does the bassist look a lot like Steve Morse?
ilovemysr505 7 months ago
@ilovemysr505 -its steve's cousin virgil.
noodlesmealey 6 months ago
It's a Virgil Donati video, but I'd like to say the bassist did a great job and they were locked in all the time. I don't why there's all this chatter on the Dream Theater tryouts. It's not a career ending rehearsal for Donati or the other drummers who didn't get hired.
AAI6718 7 months ago
DT fans are such babies. Virgil's ability as an overall musician was simply too much for DT fans, not DT. Well, maybe DT too. There is not a more talented musician on the planet than Virgil Donati.
sixgunsymphony 7 months ago 11
@sixgunsymphony love your comment dude
systematicdesign 7 months ago
@sixgunsymphony Virgil's ability was too much for DT, not DT fans is what you should have said. I am a fan of DT, just as much as I am of any other talented prog. rock groups. I really wish DT would have went with Marco Minnemann or Virgil Donati, but it wasn't to be. It seems evident that they are both better than mangini, however.
mtcameron3 4 months ago
@sixgunsymphony ....what makes your point fact??.....Nothing...it's your oppinion, and your entitled to it.......when it comes to Mangini, Lang, Virgil and Marco and think all 4 can do something that the other 3 can't..............but all are at the top of their game when it comes to being a "Superdrummer"...............thats my oppinion and im sticking to it.
mikeybbdrummin 4 months ago
@mikeybbdrummin I'm, I have no problem with any of the drummers you mentioned. I do have a problem with DT fans. Did you read my initial post?
sixgunsymphony 4 months ago
@mikeybbdrummin ........Honestly, I didn't.Yes Virgil is amazing and im not a huge fan of the over the top drumming (what I call it) but it is mind blowing.....But so Is T.Lang, Mangini and Marco....all different but the same goal....To do what the other guy cant do...I read that Virgil and Mangini are friends and talk drums often.....Anyway, Just saying what makes Virgil better then Thomas Lang or the others...but to say Virgil is the most talented is a huge statement.thats all!
mikeybbdrummin 4 months ago
@sixgunsymphony Akira Jimbo?
drummernezzy 2 months ago
@drummernezzy Who is that?
sixgunsymphony 2 months ago
@sixgunsymphony Oh, man, just search for him on youtube--he's got tons of videos.
he's insanely good!! Of course I know Virgil is too, but I bet Akira could hold his own against Virgil. check him out!
drummernezzy 2 months ago
@drummernezzy @drummernezzy. Mr. Jimbo plays to the crowd, which is why you, and so many others find him groovy and entertaining (not a bad thing). But when it comes to technique, precision, and an uncanny ability for poly-rhythms, the guy isn't even in the same class, and any drummer of record on here will tell you the same. You need keep looking at Virgil's videos, and you'll start to pick up on the utter style and skill differences.
sixgunsymphony 2 months ago
@drummernezzy But, Virgil is not Asian, so I guess that's a plus for Jimbo.
sixgunsymphony 2 months ago
@sixgunsymphony it won't let me post a link, but watch a drum battle between Akira and Hiroyuki Noritake. ya gotta admit they're kinda good, even if Virgil might possibly own them!
drummernezzy 2 months ago
@sixgunsymphony lol. virgil donati actually started out playing in a DT cover band, then... he just got better. lol
mattxcox 2 months ago 2
@mattxcox Agreed!
sixgunsymphony 2 months ago
@mattxcox He played a lot at The Grainstore in Melbourne Australia which is where he is from. That was 20 years ago and he was a monster player then. Released an album on vinyl, the band was loose change. Then he did a stint with a pop commercial called Southern Sons and so on when heading to the US.
markdlowe 2 months ago
i loved it when virgil was trying out for dt, they thought he fucked up or didnt know the song, when really he wass trying something that was beyond dream theater, virgil stated "i know how to play the real part it goes like this" he played portnoys simple part then said "i was just trying something new" for once rudess and petruccis minds were blown
MrRichardNoggin 7 months ago 8
What's the name of the Bass player?
guayo1982 7 months ago
Wow,I think only Travis Barker could play like this
Thomasgipsy 7 months ago
@Thomasgipsy lol
byLivio 7 months ago
@Thomasgipsy travis barker is more punky and poppy
greendagger87 7 months ago
@Thomasgipsy you´re being ironic,right?
semanray 7 months ago
@semanray Yeah,Virgil is amazing,but many kids think Barker is the best drummer in the world
Thomasgipsy 7 months ago
@Thomasgipsy got that right!
semanray 7 months ago
VIRGIL: I want to participate in the DT
DT: forgive us not give alms
ilanofbass 7 months ago 4
1974 called and they want Geddy back!!!
yolchie 8 months ago
I saw this video playing at a percussion shop and laughed saying, "Travis Barker smooths out the rough edges of this dude, who sounds more like a lawnmower with a missing spark plug, or a broken 1970s Sears washing machine!" Some dude said, "hey, screw off! That's Virgil D!" I said, "KMA, fool. Better scope out Barker and get back to me, clown man!" Dude flew through the air and Karate kicked me then whapped me over the head with a ride cymbal. The manager slapped my face and threw me out.
JoeJacari 8 months ago
@JoeJacari they did the right things
c0d3x001 7 months ago
Absolutely incredible. I wanna see the foot cam!
jobencore 8 months ago
so sweet..
4lutter 8 months ago
Virgil is a monster... DT doesnt deserve him...
drgctube 8 months ago 3
whats the name of the song at 8:26?
dougbit 8 months ago
@dougbit Alien Hip Hop
Groonblatt 8 months ago
Monster musicians.
Darkwing74 8 months ago
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that's so boring...
RafaHidalg0 8 months ago
wow, this was AMAZING. the bass player was also SUPER INTENSE
EbonfrothCovers 8 months ago
MacPro...hehe
paulosemifusa 8 months ago
why is charlie sheen playing drums???
lol but he rlly rlly good
Jabarichonicles 8 months ago
Sick rehearsal!! While I agree that Virgil wouldn't be a good fit for DT, Mangini is amazing. I'm looking forward for the new lineup!' I love DT and PX, too different kinds of music. It's all preference. They both don't suck :). PX is just more on the crazy fusion side :D!! I love that. Anyways, just giving my two cents from a musicians point of view :D. Skadooosh!
petrucciator 8 months ago
i love that they aren't using charts
EliteOfTheRad 9 months ago
meshuggah might find this worth watching
MajkeTiTvoje 9 months ago
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oooo my God...
MsAdyel 9 months ago
What's the name of the bassist? look at his arm.
kalabiandarkness 9 months ago
Virgil was TOO MUCH for Dream Theater!
systematicdesign 9 months ago 153
@systematicdesign I am a huge fan of DT but that "You passed the challenge" part was pathetic :D I mean come on man it's freaking Virgil Donati..
SuperballBG 8 months ago 4
@systematicdesign i d on't know why i was laughing as a loon when i knew they are auditioning him, actually i was confused who's auditioning who :)
refbassist 8 months ago 3
@refbassist Hehe...I think that Petrucci was so nervous, so he told things without sense like "You pass the test" hehehehe
systematicdesign 8 months ago
@systematicdesign He was TOO MUCH old for them! :)
aljendea 8 months ago
@systematicdesign
Funny thing - if you saw the DT auditions , Virgil.........well............sorta didn't play too good. I mean.........this song here is a lot harder than say, Dance of Eternity ( imo). But Virgil sorta didn't do too well with Dance of eternity
STIXAHOY 8 months ago
@STIXAHOY what I can feel about those auditions is that they maybe dont want to be "PART" of DT. . . but maybe have a connection with them, like for future solo albums and things like that, or side projects. THats onle an opinion
rubendrakkar 8 months ago
@STIXAHOY I wonder if he didnt practice it enough, went to just have some fun maybe?
1banez 8 months ago
@1banez hes only doing patterns trying to memorize the tempo , after that , they start to improvise and have fun.
xevastra 8 months ago
@systematicdesign +67564356013475617'56'746543
xevastra 8 months ago
@systematicdesign uve gota to be joking right? - because dreamtheater didnt pick your favorite u must put the band down to make him look better - Dream Theater is probably the best band there is in the current times - and looking at the way rock is moving...probably the last of its kind.
TechSwoop 7 months ago
@TechSwoop he's not putting DT down... he's just putting virgil up... from a technical perspective virgil is much better than portnoy(ask portnoy he'd say the same) portnoy's awesomeness came from his ability to play exactly what was good for the song in the limits of his technical abilities(which were still amazing btw). virgil probably was 'too much' for dream theater and they probably thought the same thing 'bout him, metallica thought about claypool. he'll be better off doing his own stuff.
c0d3x001 7 months ago 41
@c0d3x001 Exactly!
systematicdesign 7 months ago
@c0d3x001 i wouldn't go as far as to say virgil donati was "too much" for dream theater, but rather he wasn't right for dream theater. technically speaking, yes virgil is lightyears away from portnoy. but musically speaking, virgil just wouldn't fit the bill, because that's not what dream theater was looking for.
Spacecowboyy 7 months ago
@Spacecowboyy yep that might be true... but how do we know anyway ...we're not members of dt :D
c0d3x001 7 months ago
@c0d3x001 yeah true. ah well, mike mangini is awesome anyway. personally i would've wanted marco in the band though.
Spacecowboyy 7 months ago
@Spacecowboyy yeah marco would have been great cause he's like one of the happiest looking drummers out there
c0d3x001 7 months ago
@c0d3x001 sometime being to good its just too bad for the wrong band/team/situation/realtionship not meaning its bad just in a different perspective of life! imho.
erikimba 7 months ago
@c0d3x001 Portnoy has no Blues in his veins. I love him and his touch, but he cannot play a shouffle, he just can't. Besides Virgil Donati is very '70s style, he has something of Ian Paice and Neil Peart, so it would sound too "old" and too "warm" for Dream Theater's standards, which is a pity. In fact, to me, the thing that Dream Theater misses most is the fact that they have too less in common with the real Prog bands, the ones from the '60s and '70s, such as ELP, Rush, Yes, Genesis, and so on
PietroRumenta 7 months ago
@PietroRumenta i think it's great when bands don't have too much in common... i mean who want's to listen to bands all day that sound like every other band... i like when musicians do something different. they don't have to but why not try something out
c0d3x001 7 months ago
@c0d3x001 also if you watch the documentary they made on the auditions it was not just a case of how good a drummer a person was but what kind of personality they had and stuff like that so it had to be a whole package when choosing their new drummer
432drummer 5 months ago
@432drummer yeah i know... i watched the documentary and i think mangini is a great guy and and also a fantastic drummer and i think they're gonna be happy with him but for me as a drummer it would have been incredibly interesting to see how virgil would approach the new dt songs :D
c0d3x001 5 months ago
@c0d3x001 just as it happens with mangini now in dt. they're holding him way back. virgil would have died of boredom i guess.. when i heard virgil admire dt and say that dt were always the ones to inspire him i was sitting and thinking - wtf is he talking about?? he outdoes dt all the way around, how can he not figure it out himself?...
unklemisha 4 months ago
@432drummer exactly right. mangini was the best fit.
libidooverdrive 5 months ago
@c0d3x001 exactly!
unklemisha 4 months ago
@TechSwoop Hey man actually I´m the bigger fan of mangini, (since he played with vai, he is incredible) and dream theater is my favorite ban....I really enjoy the first videos of them playing in Rome....but really Donati is better....listen planet x...honestly is better!!!!!
systematicdesign 7 months ago
@systematicdesign I thought the same thing dude....WAY TO MUCH I´ll say....
2112josh2112 7 months ago 2
@systematicdesign so, he's better than Mike Mangini?
ransisua 6 months ago
@ransisua Absolutely...but no many people unerstand him...including DT see the auditions
systematicdesign 6 months ago
@ransisua for me... much better than Mike....
bonhati 5 months ago
@systematicdesign so fucking truth
L0rdOfTh3Fl13s 5 months ago
@systematicdesign He is definiitely godlike on the drums! I saw the whole auditions and he passed all tests, but he wasn't in top 3 of DT's ranking. Donati is not too good, he has just another style and type of creativity. Mangini is perfectly consorting with DT and technically far above all the others.
zakkwyldeverehrer 5 months ago
@zakkwyldeverehrer I totally agree with you. Mangini is awesome, but he was chosen by DT because he is VERSATIL: He can play all the DT songs like (and better) Portnoy...but listen the new cd, he isn´t composer like Donati and dont have the Imagination like Portnoy. (I know the music was composed only by the rest of the guys, but listen the cd and the drums sounds like an session artist, not a drummer heroe).
systematicdesign 5 months ago
@systematicdesign Yes, you are totally right and I never said something else;) I bought the new DT album and thought: Fuck, why are the drums so.. holding back?
zakkwyldeverehrer 5 months ago
You Are All Crazy, God Help Make me Crazy Too, :D
rfnhasilva 9 months ago
This is a great instructional to understand all that crazy over the top progressive meter changes
chiefindisguise 9 months ago
"Super fast." When someone uses a term like "super fast" while talking about musicianship, you can count on it that they don't know what they're talking about.
LeoJMcP 9 months ago
I searched Planet X but then appeared all that crazy stuff about a tenth planet......I was just looking for some Virgil's drumming goddamit!
apologyisnothepolicy 9 months ago
Virgil Donati = BOSS
chicnstix 9 months ago
the time frames played by these two are just insane.
sabueso32 9 months ago
@beatfreak1983 Agree ! I recommend you not to force anyone who has their own concept.. World is huge, millions of human... and Thousands of musicians looking videos here.. Is almost impossible to discuss it. just leave stupid comments for themselves, the important here is you have the right understanding for this passion "To be a drummer" and To Learn always for any drummer you would see on YT, be known or not.. Yesterday I was lucky, I have filmed Waldo Madera from one meter of distance!
skrupnik 9 months ago
@beatfreak1983 Agree with you Totally... Musicians are not for a competition.. are for sharing and Learning. Only non mature people can waste time making eternal comparing.. bla bla bla !!! Thanks.
skrupnik 9 months ago
Mind. Fuck.
Shredsomemore 9 months ago
It's amazing how they can count such complicated time signatures, and still keep in tune with each other. This, yes, is quite impressive : D
DarthPew 9 months ago
I saw the auditions for Dream Theater and Virgil was my favorite, too bad he wasn't chosen or maybe is for the best.
ordaudee 9 months ago 2
Well, I need to listen to this album on mass repeat again. jeeeeeeeeeeeeeez
MindOfPagan 9 months ago
I wonder why he likes his drums to sound so choked...(?)
inimicalODDITY 9 months ago
right floor tom sounds BIG. Like a bear.
theinck 9 months ago
That's the colour drum kit I want.
theinck 9 months ago
@theinck If I remember correctly, it's the sea green foam color, very much like turquoise. Notice that color has been getting more and more popular? It's a pleasant thing to look at.
ThisisfromUzi 9 months ago
thanks. Now i can get the bass lines of those parts, that was under a ton of shredding.
chadebaganas 10 months ago
i wish VD joins DT. he is the most inspirational. i love his drumming, so good and interesting to listen.
amirprog 10 months ago
my brain took 10 seconds to figure out how 5:20 and 7:30 happened.
drummerspoundhard 10 months ago 2
Awesome, but why did he made DT auditions, i mean, i love him, and I love DT, but is he quitting Planet X?
Aristowi 10 months ago
Putting Virgil in DT would be a great waste of his potential.
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