(continued)... Since God is omnipresent, only a part of God became mortal. After the ressurection, a part of Jesus lives within us. That's the doctrine of the trinity.
I love the thing about errors in the scriptures. They don't correct them but instead keep them as a witness to the imperfection of man when recording the perfection of God, so that future readers may learn to be more careful.
"The mother of God, according to the flesh" is not significantly different to "the mother of the Son of God". I am well pleased with book of Mormon. There are no really significant changes, apart from about Joseph Smith. The book makes plain that Jesus is God and cannot be denied. And anything other than the words of the book itself is irrelevant. And the writers themselves say that they had found errors in the old scriptures, as well as in their own writings. Correcting them makes this false.
What is real? What is truth? That which never changes. The Mormon Church, It's history, it's doctrines, it's teacings, it's books of scripture, it's General Conference talks, and the like are constantly changing. Therefore, they cannot possibly be real, and they cannot possibly be truth.
Another thing. one of first version of bible is the King James. The book of james is not the real name of that apostle. the scholars of james wanted to honor him and placed his name in the bible. It is not Peter James and John but real name of James is Jacob. Historians found his name and it is translated into Jacob. so the three should be Peter, Jacob, and John. Enough evidence that man translated parts of the bible incorrectly and placed their own mark. not bash, trust in spirit not in man.
To point out the bible authenticity as if it is perfect. Last book were written 200 years after jesus and the bible was in the possesion of the Catholic Church. We all know the corruption of the catholic church. they wouldnt allow people to read the bible. they controlled it for hundreds of years. it is obvious the the bible has been corrupted. This church couldnt have kept the bible pure. we would not have the bible unless for the catholic church. dont be ignorant that the bible is perfect.
@rlow8 I think it's obvious that I have not claimed that the Bible is perfect. But I know that the BS claim that the Catholics altered it, is incorrect based on two things. Most doctrines in the New Testament are clearly unfavorable to the Catholics. If they had changed it, you think that would have fixed the doctrine to match their authority and claims. Secondly we have the Dead Sea Scrolls, which verifies the OT. We have the scrolls from the Nag Hamadi caves too.
@utahpirateradio Yeah I know we have the dead sea scrolls. They back up LDS revalations. It gives proof of the bible. I hate the ignorance that people think the bible is perfect as if god gave it to us by his hand. Man is not perfect. Man translated the words from time to time. They couldnt have done it perfectly. These men werent prophets to translate so the didnt use inspiration to translate but human knowledge. Think of a story your great grandfather told. Can you repeat exactly what he said
@rlow8 But thats where you go wrong. Unlike Joseph Smith, I am not making claims like that about the Bible. Joseph Smith said "the Book of Mormon is the most correct book on earth". You complain about books not being contained in the Bible as proof that the Bible is not perfect. So what, Joseph Smith claimed he only got 1/3 of the way through the translation before the angel took the book back. So in that regard, the Bible is more perfect and more COMPLETE than the book of Mormon.
@utahpirateradio Explain how there are quotes by the apostles in the New Testament that are in the Septuagint and not the Old Testament. The Book of Mormon is the most correct book on the earth. The Bible has been twisted by people. Why do you think there are italic words in the Bible?
@utahpirateradio The bible starts with moses's writing. he wasnt the first prophet. where are the writings of joseph, jacob, enoch, seth, noah, etc. Im sure they had some important sayings of the gospel. he writes about those prophets which covers thousands of years in one book. The bible mentions other books which are not in the bible. I read the Nag Hammadi and it says those writings have the gospel of thomas. evidence bible doesnt contain all of god's word.
@rlow8 You may be thinking that I declare that the Bible is perfect. That is not what I declare. I am pointing out the problems with the Book of Mormon, because of what Joseph Smith and Mormons to this day claim "it is the most correct book on earth". The Book of Mormon peoples (millions of them), never existed, and there is no evidence for these huge cities, metal weapons, and huge battles. I am saying that the Book of Mormon is not the more correct. The Bible is more reliable.
I agree with word count. The word Elohim which is in the hebrew bible means plural gods. this is another argument on difference on interpretation. some read the scripture of "only worship one god". people take this as only one god exists or worship god and not false created gods, idols etc. To me Deut 6:4 is talking about idols gods after reading the whole chapter. Gen 1:26 say "let us make man" so there are more than one god or jesus and the father are individual gods in the trinity
Hey dumb ass the changes where addition of punctuations and printer errors! The Torah also has had punctuation added!! The meaning of the book has not changed!! Typical anti-Mormon lies!!!!!
@majinish They are grasping at straws. The original Book of Mormon was printed in the early 1800 on a shoe string budget and printed by non-Mormon book printer. There were printing mistakes and the puntuation was not there and verses where not separated. This is what the anti-Mormons try to fool people into believing that the Book of Mormon was changed, quite deceptive. Many of the same addition where also done to the Torah but nobody says that those are chnages. Double standards!
@wannawatchu66 these claims of many gods, three separate beings are support stronger from the bible than the book of mormon. the doctrine of three separate and plurality of gods is not well mentioned in the BOM. It obvious that the the bible supports the separate god head(stephen vision, genesis, and baptism of jesus.) not meaning any hard feelings but i have notice people just say "the bible says this" but when it actually supports other doctrines. they read only the verses they want to read.
@rlow8 Respectfully, the Bible doesn't claim "three separate and plurality of gods," either. Israel is told in Deuteronomy 6:4 that her God is one. And this triune Godhead consists of 3 PERSONS: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. If you don't read Hebrew, I'll help you: the word "one" in Deut. 6:4 is the Hebrew word "echad," a *compound* unity. Joseph Smith KNEW but rejected the doctrine of the triune God, as do LDS of today. Wish I had more than a lousy 500 characters.
When your in front of Christ, He'll show you that these changes were not such a big deal and simply clarify to Joseph and every other Mormon the whole truth.
Perfected!
It's called daily revelation.
Thats the truth, Not closed heavens or no God as most atheists promote.
Mormons trying to defend the changes to the Book Of Mormon is like Hitler trying to justify himself. It's never going to happen. Stop being so ignorant and open your eyes for once. The Book Of Mormon is just one massive lie.
I finished a class on the changes to all versions of the BofM... very intesting class.
I use the RCE edition published by Zarahemla Research Foundation, as it has been compared to the original and printers manuscript and has been restored to the MOST accurate to date. Very good edition.
I like your you tube info, as it is very close to my class
I use the 1830 text of the Book of Mormon for my research. I guess you could call me a Whitmerite because I believe the things David Whitmer said about the early restoration in "An Address to All Believers in Christ'. READ THE BOOK OF MORMON
it amazes me to here the word anti mormon. when the missionaries come to your door and tell you that your belief is wrong and there is no salvation outside the mormon church... that is anti christian. besides js cast the first stone in the war between christianity and the lds. when he went to inquire about the lord and was told all other religions were an abomination... wow... people now defend their faith and they are anti mormon. sounds like hypocracy to me!
I agree...but I must say this. Pretty much any Mormon wants to be accepted as Christian, but deny the fundamental teachings of Christianity. So, by that logic, all orthodox Christians deny Mormon teachings, so we must all be Mormon, right?
i had this talk with a mormon friend of mine. i said i dont believe in js and the dnc and bom and pearl of great price or any of the church teachins. so i'm mormon right. of course she said no. so when i said jesus is the spirit bro of lucifer and god the father created jesus and so on, i said then how can you call yourself chrisian. i agree with you. they are blinded by the god of this age.
@bdjennings Not so fast idiot, anti mormons are anti satan and we are the ones with the help of God who exposes the mormons satanic cult, GO YOUTUBE MORMON LADY WENT TO HELL, dont ever get out of line and tell us we will have our day in court cus you'll just irritate me
"a description of the manner in which the Book of Mormon was translated. Joseph Smith would put the seer stone into a hat, and put his face in the hat, drawing it closely around his face to exclude the light;"...
Thank you for this awesome video...I am ex-mormon, and after finding all of the total lies the church told me and my family for over 40yrs...I pulled my family out....and went to Jesus and ONLY Jesus and ONLY read the Bible for the true word of God. Shame on all Mormons who decieve the innocent.
Just so you know I did look at all your little video attacks .... and you didn't address what I pointed out to you.... again do your song and dance and hopefully you can avoid a subject in which you fail to address. Again your very good at attacking religions but seem to be unable to acknowledge history of the bible.
For such a scholor, what do you know about the bible and all the changes and who and why things were left out? Again for someone who has commited such time to attack a reglion makes me questions your motives.
I addressed the Mormon claim that the Bible is incomplete or incorrect.
I have 46 videos that you may want to look at before asking why I haven't addressed a topic. I've addressed it several times actually, check the other videos.
Also, as for the books being left out of the Bible. First, just because a book is referenced, doesn't mean it's doctrinal.
Further more, what happen to the other 2/3's of the Book of Mormon that Moroni wouldn't let Joseph Smith translate! ??
@slu2com It wasn't time for that part to be revealed just as it wasn't meant for the golden plates to be translated at an earlier time. The Lord has His reasons and that is good enough.
you dont know anything. Mormonism did not start out with the God head as a Tri-being. Joesph Smith saw two personages standing above him. And one pointed to another.
go check your facts. You're manipulating everything. I feel bad for everyone that watches your videos because they're all getting a negative perspective that isn't even true. The best thing YOU can do is to READ THE BOOK OF MORMON AND PRAY FOR YOUSELF.
I did and I ask you to recite the orginal version of the bible compared to todays bible.... agian man you act as if book editing only happened to the book of mormon, believe it or not it happens and happened to the bible of all books.
@srt4forthewin - You instruct people to read the Book of Mormon and then "pray" about it. According to the LDS Temple Endowment, when Adam is thrust out of the Garden of Eden he builds an altar and prays to god using the "true order of prayer." The only problem is, Lucifer (god of this world) is the one who answers Adam's prayer, not god. How, then, can you trust that the answer you get is coming from god and not Lucifer, when that's what the Temple says happens? Hmm?
The Bible is considered by many to be "correct" in the sense that it contains correct doctrines and principles. Yet it is not considered "correct" by means of being without grammatical or even historical inconsistencies.
When Joseph said the Book of Mormon was correct "and by reading it you can get closer to God". He clearly meant that it was "correct" in terms of doctrines and principles.
The anti-Mormon tactic here is to pretend that Joseph meant something that he really didn't mean.
"When Joseph said the Book of Mormon was correct "and by reading it you can get closer to God". He clearly meant that it was "correct" in terms of doctrines and principles. "
But you completely fail to address what Joseph Smith, David Whitmer, and others wrote about the translation process. Joseph Smith attested in many instances how "the Book of Mormon was translated by the power of God not man".
The description in his journal about the magic stone in the hate, and the process. (cont..)
(cont), the magic stone in the hat process as documented in many historical records by those closest to the process all say that an character would appear, and then a translation. If the translation wasn't correct, the next character would not appear.
That leaves little if any room for error.
And then after it is writen Joseph Smith boasts of how it is written by the power of God, not man. And that it is the most correct book on the face of the earth.
We have been over this before, but I will be happy to correct you on this ... again.
Again, we are only speaking about one step in the process. There were steps before and after Joseph's translation. Furthermore, the stones weren't used the entire time. According to Elder Orson Pratt of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, tJoseph used the Urim and Thummim when he was inexperienced at translation but that later he did not need it (Millennial Star, 11 Aug. 1874, 49899).
SLU: ...in many historical records by those closest to the process all say that an character would appear, and then a translation.
The translation could not have been considered as "incorrect" for things like grammar and spelling especially when English did not have a standard as it does now.
@slu2com This is a random thought but who decides it has errors. ill agree with grammar errors but who says this error is an error. are you god or a prophet to judge that. just saying because there is a warning to those who judge the book of mormon questioning it. it say errors are errors of men and dont condemn god. i testify of BOM that says christ is lord but who condemns it might regret if BOM is true. If im wrong my judgment wont be as bad if you're wrong. I supported a book about god.
@rlow8 For me it is OBVIOUS that the Mormons changed the references to Jesus being God the father, to Jesus being reduced to NOT sharing that title in later versions of the Book of Mormon. It seems as the D&C progressed and new doctrines were made in D&C, the Book of Mormon experienced changes in doctrine.
Obviously you are going to deny that. Look up Sandra Tanner, she does an excellent job pointing these changes out. I have also made video about it.
SLU: But you completely fail to address what Joseph Smith, David Whitmer, and others wrote about the translation process.
I DID address that fully and completely. I addressed the fact that not only was that one of the many steps that was necessary to produce the Book of Mormon, but I also addressed all of the facets of that process. All on this thread.
SLU: You say that these changes have been tracked.
To the extent that is possible from the copies that are available (similar to the Bible situation, we don't have the original).
In fact, Mormon had the originals. He copied texts and compiled them according to what he felt was good for us to read. That is one human step (errors such as the Benjamin/Mosiah could have occurred here.) Many other copying steps followed where errors could occur. Hence, the title page mentions "errors of men".
SLU: The reference to King Benjamin that was later changed to King Mosiah. Mosiah 21:28 ... Do you not know why it's incorrect?
Let me show how unreasonable your argument is:
2 Kings 24:8 reads: Jehoiachin was 18 years old when he began to reign, 2 Chronicles 36:9 reads: Jehoiachin was 8 years old when he began to reign,
According to your standards, this would mean that the Bible cannot be considered "correct" and anybody who has ever called the Bible "correct" is a liar or misinformed.
"2 Kings 24:8 reads: Jehoiachin was 18 years old when he began to reign, 2 Chronicles 36:9 reads: Jehoiachin was 8 years old when he began to reign,"
Sorry, I can see the possibility of 8 vs. 18. They are AT LEAST a similar number.
But "Benjamin" as opposed to "Mosiah". Not very similar is it?
And besides, the way that Joseph Smith described the translation in his journals. That kind of mistake was impossible, as God guided the entire translation, and wouldn't let Joseph mess up.
SLU: But "Benjamin" as opposed to "Mosiah". Not very similar is it?
First of all, it isn't clear as to whether or not this SHOULD have been changed to begin with. The chronology of this section of text is not linear.
Second, we have gone over the fact that this error could have taken place at any of the many steps in the publishing process. Including BEFORE Joseph even got his hands on it.
Finally, Joseph didn't use the process you describe the entire time.
"Finally, Joseph didn't use the process you describe the entire time. "
When he was done, he testified that the Book of Mormon was not translated by man, but by the power of God.
So again, no room for the errors that you talk about. He and the scribes testify to a translation that was done how I told you it was done, which would also justify the claim of "not by man, but by the power of God".
If it was "translated by man" I would understand the errors. But according to Smith t wasn't
SLU: When he was done, he testified that the Book of Mormon was not translated by man, but by the power of God.
Joseph explained how the "gift" and "power" of God is revelation. Revelation comes from the power of God but he doesn't say that God translated it. If God were the person translating the book, there would have been no need for Joseph.
And again you ignore the fact that it was written by men, compiled/copied by Mormon (a man), translated, copied by men, and then typeset by men.
YOU EVIL RACIST! SMPF38 The MORMON Pearl of Great Price is not the WORD of GOD look how the MORMON GOD Treats the AFRICANS he CURSED BLACK
"..there was a BLACKNESS came upon all the children of Canaan(Canaan SEED OF CAIN BLACK AFRICANS), that they were despised among all people..(Moses 7:8)."
"...,for the seed of Cain were BLACK, and had not place among them (Moses 7:22)."
(SEED OF CAIN BLACK AFRICANS) being of the lineage by which he could not have the right of PRIESTHOOD(Abraham 1:26-27)."
I am not racist. I am not evil. It should be noted that the Curse of Cain was a well known (and popular) Protestant theory in America, as well as the even more popular curse of Ham doctrine, which was even held by many abolitionists of the time.
Second, it should be noted that Joseph Smith wanted himself to abolish slavery. He also ordained blacks to the priesthood. It is a little more complicated that you would like it to be (i.e. Mormons = Evil/Racist)
smpf38 THE CURSE OF CAIN DOCTRINE with GOD CURSING CAIN WITH BLACK SKIN AND FROM THE PRIESTHOOD IS NOT IN THE HOLY BIBLE SORRY BUT IT IS IN YOUR RACIST MORMON SCRIPTURES REPENT! YOU RACIST DEVIL!
Are the Mormons abolitionists? No, unless delivering the people from priestcraft, and the priests from the power of Satan, should be considered abolition. But we do not believe in setting the negroes free.LDS MORMON Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr., History of the Church, v.3, p. 29
legal: THE CURSE OF CAIN DOCTRINE with GOD CURSING CAIN WITH BLACK SKIN... IS NOT IN THE HOLY BIBLE...
That was a Protestant interpretation of the Bible. I didn't say that it was correct. In fact, I think that Protestants have a long history of misinterpreting the Bible.
Are the Mormons abolitionists? No, ...
Incomplete history. You quote Joseph Smith 1838. It is well known that over time he became more and more anti-slavery. He ran for President of the U.S. on an anti-slavery platform.
"Change their situation with the whites, and they would be like them. They have souls, and are subjects of salvation. Go into any city, and find an educated negro, who rides in his carriage, and you will see a man who has risen by the powers of his own mind to his exalted state of respectability. The slaves in Washington are more refined than many in high places, and the black boys will take the shine of many of those they brush and wait on." -Joseph Smith
smpf38 you can't defend something that was never right boil your face on this you RACIST
We understand that when God made man in his own image and pronounced him very good, that he made him white. We have no record of any of God's favored servants being of a black race....every angel who ever brought a message of God's mercy to man was beautiful to look upon, clad in the purest white and with a countenance bright as the noonday sun.
- LDS MORMON The Juvenile Instructor, Vol. 3, page 157
I never said that nobody in the Mormon Church had ever said or taught anything that was racist. Of course they have. I am simply putting these statements in their proper context, which is a racist United States of America (i.e. before the civil rights movement).
Racism was rampant in all of the U.S., not just with Mormons, as you seem to suggest.
LDS PROPHET John Taylor Stated:Why is it, in fact, that we should have a devil? Why did not the Lord kill him long ago? . . .He needed the devil and great many of those who do his bidding just to keep . . . our dependence upon God, . . . When he destroyed the inhabitants of the antediluvian world, he suffered a descendant of Cain to come through the flood in order that he [the devil] might be properly represented upon the earth (Journal of Discourses, vol. 23, p. 336).
Calling me a racist because Mormon leaders said racist things would be like me calling you (an American) racist and pro-slavery because American leaders had racist views and had slaves.
you are a RACIST trying to defend LDS DOCTRINE Mark E. Petersen LDS Apostle "If I were to marry a Negro woman and have children by her, my children would all be cursed as to the priesthood..There are 50 million Negroes in the United States. If they were to achieve complete absorption with the white race, think what that would do. With 50 million Negroes inter-married with us, where would the priesthood be? Who could hold it, in all America? Think what that would do to the work of the Church!..
JOSEPH SMITH WROTE THIS! Mormon God Curses the USA Indians with Black skin for rebelling against the Mormon GOD
"...wherefore, as they were WHITE and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a SKIN of BLACKNESS to come upon them (2 Nephi 5:21)."
Here the MORMON GOD turns the USA INDIANS back WHITE Skinned because they REPENTED
"And their curse was taken from them, and their skin became WHITE like unto the Nephites" (3 Nephi 2:15).
smpf38 Are the Mormons abolitionists? No, unless delivering the people from priestcraft, and the priests from the power of Satan, should be considered abolition. But we do not believe in setting the negroes free.Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr., History of the Church, v.3, p. 29
Had I anything to do with the negro, I would confine them by strict law to their own species, and put them on a national equalization" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 270; History of the Church, 5: 218 ).
What do you think "national equalization" for the "negro" means?
"where the Declaration of Independence holds these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; t...; but at the same time some two or three millions of people are held as slaves for life, because the spirit in them is covered with a darker skin than ours. - Joseph Smith (History of the Church, Vol.6, Ch.8, p.197 - p.198)
A little more context for the quote you gave, the paragraph before the statement you quoted in History of the Church, 5: 218 is where Joseph Smith had just explained that if blacks had grown up with the same environment as whites, they would be equals.
"it makes my blood boil within me to reflect upon the injustice, cruelty, and oppression of the rulers of the people. When will these things cease to be, and the Constitution and the laws again bear rule?" (History of the Church, 4:544).
LDS MORMON APOSTLE MARK E. PETERSON SAID LAMANITES & NEGROES HAVE THE SAME CURSE OF BLACK SKIN "Who placed the Negroes originally in darkest Africa? Was it some man, or was it God? And when He placed them there, He segregated them....The Lord segregated the people ... At least in the cases of the LAMANITES and the NEGROES we have the definite word of the Lord Himself that He placed a dark skin upon them as a CURSE ... Race Problems--As They Affect The Church
Petition your legislators to abolish slavery by the year 1850, or now, pay every man a reasonable price for his slaves out of the surplus revenue arising from the sale of public landsbreak off the shackles from the poor black man, and hire him to labor like other human beings;...Restore freedom! Break down slavery!... where I the President... I would use all honorable means to have their prayers granted and give liberty to the captives." -Joseph Smith
"There is a reason why one man is born black and with other disadvantages,while another is born white with great advantage.The reason is that we once had an estate before we came here, and were obedient, more or less,to the laws that were given us there. Those who were faithful in all things there received greater blessings here,and those who were not faithful received less....The Negro, evidently, is receiving the reward he merits." Doctrines of Salvation, Volume 1, pages 66-67.
The"Negro Question" Declaration of 1949,the First Presidency under the direction of LDS (Mormon) Prophet George Albert Smith made a declaration which included the statement that the priesthood restriction was Divinely Commanded and not a matter of Church Policy...It is not a..Policy but of Direct Commandment from the LORD..the DOCTRINE of the CHURCH..NEGROES may become members of the CHURCH but that they are not entitled to the PRIESTHOOD..
smpf38 your MORMON church cursed AFRICANS in HEAVEN!
LDS prophet Joseph Fielding Smith on blacks-
Not only was Cain called upon to suffer [for killing Abel], but because of his wickedness HE BECAME THE FATHER OF AN INFERIOR RACE...MILLIONS OF SOULS HAVE COME INTO THIS WORLD CURSED WITH A BLACK SKIN and have been denied the privilege of Priesthood and the fullness of the blessing of the Gospel. These are the descendants of Cain." (The Way to Perfection, by
Let us consider the great mercy of God for a moment. a Chinese,born in China with a dark skin,and with all the handicaps of that race seems to have little opportunity but think of the mercy of god to Chinese people who are willing to accept the gospel In spite of whatever they might have done in the pre-existence to justify being born over there as Chinamen,if they now,in this life,accept the gospel and live it the rest of their lives they can have the Priesthood,..LDS Apostle Mark E. Petersen
"Joseph Smiths platform represented middle-road abolitionism. Smith and the Mormons opposed on outright freeing of slaves without compensation, recognizing that it clearly would result in division and war." -Encyclopedia of Anti-Slavery and Abolition pg.159
the blood of the Canaanites was preserved" through the flood, he having married Egyptus, a descendant of Cain. (Abra. 1:20-27.) Ham was cursed, apparently for marrying into the forbidden lineage, and the effects of the curse passed to his son, Canaan.Ham's descendants include the Negroes, who originally were barred from holding the priesthood but have been able to do so since June, 1978 (Mormon Doctrine, Bruce R. McConkie, Bookcraft, 1979 edition, p. 343).
LDS PROPHET Wilford Woodruff Stated:Any man having children with a BLACK woman must be beheaded, and his children must be killed:And if any man mingle his seed with the seed of Cane the ownly way he could get rid of it or have salvation would be to come forward and have his head cut off & spill his Blood upon the ground it would also take the life of his children... (Wilford Woodruff's Journal, recording a speech by Brigham Young, January 16, 1852,)
Spencer W. Kimball said:I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today..For years they have been growing delightsome,and they are now becoming white and delightsome,as they were promised..These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness.One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated.General Conference Report,October,1960
llegal: U believe this ..whiteness and to delightsomeness
You clearly know very little about what I believe. I believe in "whitesome and delightsomeness" in the same sense that the scriptures speak of it "white" meaning "pure", not skin color. In fact, the Book of Mormon speaks of darker skinned people (Lamanites) being "more righteous" than the lighter skinned Nephites at certain times throughout the history. Clearly, color and righteousness aren't directly related in that sense.
Yes, but the skin color did not define their righteousness. Clearly, they became righteous no matter what their skin color was. In other words, at any given moment, skin color does not tell you whether or not a person is righteous or not. White Nephites were deemed to be wicked, and dark skinned Lamanites were righteous.
smpf38 NOPE wrong the WHITE skin people were the GOOD PEOPLE and the BLACK skin was the cursed people you need to read your MORMON scriptures why would the MORMON GOD turn them BLACK SKINNED when they REBELLED and if they REPENT he turns them back white skinned? you are LOST
MORMON GOD turns the USA INDIANS back WHITE Skinned because they REPENTED
"And their curse was taken from them, and their skin became WHITE like unto the Nephites" (3 Nephi 2:15).
"With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world."(JoD 8:99)
"What! Are Christians ignorant? Yes, as ignorant of the things of God as the brute beast."(JoD 6:25)
Mormons say Christians are whoremasters
LDS APOSTLE Heber C. Kimball "Christians - those poor, miserable priests Brother Brigham was speaking about - some of them are the biggest whoremasters there are on the earth..."(JoD 5:39)
Llegal: "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world."(JoD 8:99)
To be fair, Brigham Young called HIMSELF "ignorant" concerning many things about God. Also, you must consider the fact that Brigham had just been driven from 3 different states and had the temple they built burned to the ground, their property ravaged and stolen, and good friends killed. They were a little upset.
smpf38 you can not defend RACISM stop crying about it! your LDS MORMON CHURCH IS RACIST today in 2-25-09
"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so." Journal of Discourses, Volume 10, page 110.
(EVIL MORMONS) The Mountain Meadows massacre involved a mass slaughter of the Fancher-Baker emigrant wagon train at Mountain Meadows in the Utah Territory by the local MORMON militia in September 1857..All of the party were killed, except for a few children under 8 years old. Some infants were killed while in their mothers arms.After the massacre, the corpses of the victims were left decomposing for two years on the open plain... auxiliaries executed approximately 120 men, women and children...
I know about the Mountain Meadow Massacres. I also know about all kinds of massacres that have taken place throughout history in the name of many religions. Including Christianity.
Even the KKK was supposedly justified by "Christianity".
"It is true that the blood of the Son of God was shed for sins through the fall and those committed by men, yet men can commit sins which it can never remit.... There are sins that can be atoned for by an offering upon an altar, as in ancient days; and there are sins that the blood of a lamb,... cannot remit, but they must be atoned for by the blood of the man." (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 4, pages 53-54); also published in the Mormon Church's Deseret News, 1856, page 235)
LDS PROPHET Brigham Young:Let me suppose a case. Suppose you found your brother in bed with your wife, and PUT A JAVELIN THROUGH BOTH OF THEM, YOU WOULD BE JUSTIFIED, AND THEY WOULD ATONE FOR THEIR SINS, AND BE RECEIVED INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD...I have NO WIFE whom I love so well that I would not put a javelin through her heart, and I would DO IT WITH CLEAN HANDS... ...The BLOOD of CHRIST will never wipe that out, YOUR OWN BLOOD MUST ATONE FOR IT;... (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 3, p. 247)
"It is also to the Book of Mormon to which we turn for the plainest description of the Catholic Church as the great and abominable church.Nephi saw this church which is the most abominable above all other churches' in vision. He saw the devil that he was the foundation of it' and also the murders, wealth, harlotry, persecutions, and evil desires that historically have been a part of this satanic organization.(LDS Apostle Bruce R. McConkie. Mormon Doctrine[1958],130.)
smpf38 you LOST you are RACIST FOR BELIEVING IN THIS RACIST MORMON CHURCH
The moment we consent to mingle with the seed of Cain the Church must go to destruction, - we should receive the curse which has been placed upon the seed of Cain, and never more be numbered with the children of Adam who are heirs to the priesthood until that curse be removed.
- Prophet Brigham Young, Brigham Young Addresses, Feb. 5, 1852, LDS historical department
"In our first settlement in Missouri, it was said by our enemies that we intended to tamper with the slaves, not that we had any idea of the kind, for such a thing never entered our minds. We knew that the children of Ham were to be the "servant of servants," and no power under heaven could hinder it, so long as the Lord would permit them to welter under the curse and those were known to be our religious views concerning them."Journal of Discourses,Volume 2,page 172
I can clearly see that you aren't worth talking to. You don't know anything about me. I am married to a dark skinned woman and your insults are worthless.
smpf38 just because you are married to a DARK SKINNED WOMEN that does not mean you are not RACIST your thinking and religion of MORMONISM is RACIST to all DARK SKINNED PEOPLE of the WORLD I feel sorry for your DARK SKINNED wife that you would put her through all this TRASH and beliefs in the MORMON religion just because you think it is right wake up man you are LOST big time look what you believe in it is RACIST to the CORE the BOOK of MORMON preaches HATE to BLACK & DARK SKINNED PEOPLE!
smpf38 THIS IS HATE TO YOUR WIFE LDS APOSTLE SAID LAMANITES & NEGROES HAVE THE SAME CURSE OF BLACK SKIN "Who placed the Negroes originally in darkest Africa? Was it some man, or was it God? And when He placed them there, He segregated them....The Lord segregated the people...At least in the cases of the LAMANITES and the NEGROES we have the definite word of the Lord Himself that He placed a dark skin upon them as a CURSE..Race Problems As They Affect The Church
"...The Lamanites, through transgression, became a loathsome, ignorant and filthy people, and were CURSED with a SKIN of DARKNESS yet,they have the promise, if they will believe,and work righteousness...they shall become a WHITE and DELIGHTSOME people..."
:The Latter-Day Saints Millennial Star, vol. 14, p. 418 "
"...they WERE WHITE...and DELIGHTSOME...Lord God did cause a SKIN OF BLACKNESS to come upon them (2 Nephi 5:21)"
smpf38 YOUR MORMON DOCTRINE IS RACIST YOU CANT WIN THIS POINT I AM MAKING!
Why are so many of the inhabitants of the earth cursed with a sin of blackness?It comes in consequence of their fathers rejecting the power of the Holy Priesthood, and the law of God. They will go down to death. And when all the rest of the children have received their blessings in the Holy Priesthood, then that curse will be removed from the seed of Cain
- Prophet Brigham Young,Journal of Discourses, v. 11, p. 272
smpf38 turn off your computer the battle is over you cant win defending a RACIST MORMON DOCTRINE if all BLACK Africans got to hear this RACIST DOCTRINE they would not join your lds church thats a FACT!
You must not think, from what I say, that I am opposed to slavery. No! The negro is damned, and is to serve his master till God chooses to remove the curse of Ham.
- Prophet Brigham Young, New York Herald, May 4, 1855, as cited in Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought, Spring 1973, p. 56
LDS Prophet Brigham Young"You see some classes of the human family that are BLACK, uncouth, uncomely,disagreeable,sad,low in their habits, wild...Cain...Lord put a mark on him,which is the FLAT NOSE and BLACK SKIN. Trace mankind down to after the flood,and then other curse is pronounced upon the same race -that they would be the "servant of servants;"and they will be,until that CURSE is removed;and the Abolitionists cannot help it, nor in the least alter that decree."JoD, Volume 7, pages 290 291
smp38 CRY LDS APOSTLE "Though he was a rebel and an associate of Lucifer in the preexistence, and though he was a liar from the beginning whose name was Perdition, CAIN managed to attain the privilege of mortal birth...As a result of his rebellion, CAIN was CURSED with a DARK SKIN;he became the father of the NEGROES, and those spirits who are not worthy to receive the PRIESTHOOD are born through his lineage. He became the first mortal to be CURSED as a son of perdition." Mormon Doctrine,page109.
SLU: Book of Mormon was not translated by man, but by the power of God. So again, no room for the errors that you talk about...
If that is the case, why would have Joseph included in the introduction to the Book of Mormon the idea that the book very well could contain the "errors of men"?
Perhaps because you are misrepresenting the process of God using an imperfect tool (Joseph) to do the work of translation.
2:45 Check the time line. The first vision account that was published by the church was written by Joseph Smith in 1838. Smith didn't become a Freemason until 1842 when a Masonic lodge was organized in Nauvoo. Furthermore, Freemasonry only requires a belief in deity, not plural deity.
3:25 Consistent textual evidence suggests that the three changes made would be to align with all the other references to the "Son of God." ie 1Nephi 11;21, 2Nephi25, 2Nephi31, Alma 5,6,7,9,3336,Hel-5,8,14,16, 3Nephi 1,9Mosiah3,15, Mormon 7,9 and many many others.
Confusion regarding deity is a modern problem, due to apostate creeds and notions. The fact that clarification is required for us is not an issue BoM authors would have had to contend with, nor does it suggest mistranslation.
you mormons always miss the point, who cares if others were not changed, who cares if you DO give him that title, your not dealing with the subject at hand which is, why was it changed from God to the son of God? if the book is so correct as joe blow said then you dont need to make thousands of corrections! some changes were VERY serious like peoples names being changed and names of cities changed. Thats how you find liars, they cant keep their stories straight, your in a big pagan cult!!!!
matt: why was it changed from God to the son of God?
In order to clear up any confusion as to which member of the Godhead was being referred to. They all have the title of "God", therefore, it is helpful to indicate which individual is being discussed.
Matt: if the book is so correct as joe blow said ...
You are taking Joseph's quote out of context. He said that it was the most correct book in that it would bring you closer to God. Furthermore, I count less than 12 "significant" changes.
I count far more than 12; your research is apparently lacking.
After DNA studies clearly fail to suppoer BoM, LDS changed the wording of BoM.
The "Lamanites" suddenly went from being "the principal ancestors of the Amerindian" to being "among the ancestors".
Yet, boM still maintains that Lehi & Co. arrived in the new world, found it to be uninhabited, and that it should be kept from the knowledge of other countries
So, that change fails. BoM is religious fiction, nothing more!!
Outlaw: After DNA studies clearly fail to suppoer BoM, LDS changed the wording of BoM...
You are referring to one of the introductory pages. It isn't the actual text that was translated, but instead a modern introduction to the text. Changing the introductory page was appropriate, because the previous introduction was based on false assumptions.
Outlaw: boM still maintains that Lehi & Co. arrived in the new world, found it to be uninhabited,
SMPF38: "It isn't the actual text that was translated, but instead a modern introduction to the text. "
Yes, but this is certainly evidence of what "modern day prophets" and "true authority" is all about.
If God's authority on earth is so extremely truthful and consistent. Then why are errors placed in the text, even after the church has been "reorganized" or "restored".
SLU: If God's authority on earth is so extremely truthful and consistent. Then why are errors placed in the text...
The "errors" are so insignificant, they have had absolutely no impact on the church at all. The only people who think they are significant are those (like you), who ignore the details and simply throw out numbers like 4000 without discussing exactly what those changes were.
As I have already explained on this thread, only 12 "changes" could even be considered as significant.
"I went over all of the details, pointed out the opposition's inconsistencies and hypocrisies, and cleared up the false assumptions. "
As clear as mud! I love when LDS try to clear something up.
Why that cracks me up is because of this "devine authority" and "devine revelations" that these nuts claim to have. They are continously putting errors into the Book of Mormon (their main scripture), and when their errors don't fit science, then these errors are all of the sudden not devine. LOL
SMPF38 YOU RACIST! Book of Mormon is not the WORD of GOD look how the MORMON GOD Treats the USA INDIANS he CURSED BLACK
Book of Mormon ALMA 3:6"And the SKINS of the Lamanites (USA INDIANS) were DARK, according to the MARK which was set upon their fathers, WHICH was a CURSE upon them BECAUSE OF their TRANSGRESSION and their REBELLION..
Book of Mormon ALMA 3:9 "And it came to pass that whosoever did mingle his seed with that of the Lamanites (USA INDIANS) did bring the SAME CURSE upon his seed..
You Mobots have worn out your over-used "taken out of context" defense.
Now, any time Mobots get caught in the web of being discredited by BoM's or LDS's, or any Apostle's or "prophets" own words, the same 'taken out of context" argument pops up.
It's just a lame, over-used excuse to escape your web of deceit and contradictions, nothing more.
The problem stems from the fact that you lame out with the "out of context" excuse when people understand all too well what BoM, SmYth, Bring'um Young, or any other LDS leaders or writers stated in the first place.
Change my tactics??
No!! I'll continue to expose LDS's & BoM's web of lies and deceptions!!
You misunderstand the meaning of "most correct". He did not say perfect.. or absolutely correct. What he was saying is that when you read it.. the meaning and understanding you will get from it is the most correct of any other Book out there when it comes to the teachings that are taught.
You just want to make more out of his comments than was intended.
The Book of Mormon is a history of the people who lived on the American Continent from 600BC to 400AD. Read it!
most correct is more correct. more correct than the Bible. the most correct statement has an object. that object is the Bible. the words are pointed at Bible belivers. BofM is most correct. it is of higher authority and more correct then the Bible. that was the point of the sentence. and its erroroneous
Hypno: No.. not of higher authority.. but more in line of.. "all complete" Nothing left out. Most correct. He speaks of the Gospel. 4 main points. 1. Faith in Jesus Christ. 2. Repentance and forsaking sin. 3. Baptism for the remission of sins.. 4. Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost. These 4 points make up the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The BoM teaches how this is to be done.
MrNirom so does the New Testament teach that. HELLO read the Bible!!!
And there is no historical record whatsoever about the poeple in the BoM...the only record is the BoM and nothing more. Also none of the American indians have any records about anything that happened in the BoM. There is no historical proof or evidence.
Enemie: I am not sure what you are referring to when stating the New Testament teaches that. I have made many statements here. The Indians.. as well as the Mayans and others have this legend in their history of the Great White God that appeared to them. Legends are often history passed down orally. There is already sites that have been discovered in the Arabian Peninsula that fit very nicely with the record in the Book of Mormon. Does proof matter? NO if it did.. all would be Christian!
it teachs how to be saved, it tells us about christ and what he did for us and through him we are saved and will be forgiven, that is the gospel. So I can't accept the B.O.M because Paul said not to accept "another" gospel got it??
richeezy: Actually.. no.. they are 3 distinct separate beings.. that have ONE very important purpose... to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life to man. They are so devoted to this ONE purpose.. that if you spoke to one.. it would be like speaking with them all. It would be hard to distinguish them apart because they are so connected in this mission. As they want us to be ONE with them.. as they are ONE with each other.. that is their desire.
This comment has received too many negative votesshow
The problem with some people is they took what the prophet said.. out of context.. and then try to prove him wrong.
What he said was this:
I told the brethern that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth and man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts than by any other book.
He was talking about the principles of God. The teachings of our Lord were the most correct of any other book. It was not tainted by numerous translations like other books.
the real problem is that LDS follow a prophet that lived in a make-believe world, that he then wrote into the BoM
why would I read a novel to strengthen my faith? when I have the Bible, the only book that can instruct, correct, lead, reprove onto salvation? all the Apostles & Church Fathers agree
btw, hows those revisions going? my copy of the BoM is now out-dated, seems they edited out the "principle" ancestors part, over 3 thousand revisions, wonder when they'll stop? at 4 thousand?
Mexidonian: Nothing wrong with revisions. It clarifies more to the understanding of man.
The Book of Mormon is an additional witness to the divinity of Jesus Christ. It testifies that Jesus is the Christ.. and there is another people who have a testimony of it. That God speaks to all men.. and tells all men to write. And by those writing.. all men will be judged according to their works and the writings they received.
3,913 Changes in the Book of Mormon since 1830. Mormonism still has a lot of other problems to cover up.
rickgigliotti 11 months ago
(continued)... Since God is omnipresent, only a part of God became mortal. After the ressurection, a part of Jesus lives within us. That's the doctrine of the trinity.
Nashhinton 11 months ago
Jesus is Father, Son, and God in the same person.
Nashhinton 11 months ago
I love the thing about errors in the scriptures. They don't correct them but instead keep them as a witness to the imperfection of man when recording the perfection of God, so that future readers may learn to be more careful.
TheLoonwolf 11 months ago
"The mother of God, according to the flesh" is not significantly different to "the mother of the Son of God". I am well pleased with book of Mormon. There are no really significant changes, apart from about Joseph Smith. The book makes plain that Jesus is God and cannot be denied. And anything other than the words of the book itself is irrelevant. And the writers themselves say that they had found errors in the old scriptures, as well as in their own writings. Correcting them makes this false.
TheLoonwolf 11 months ago
What is real? What is truth? That which never changes. The Mormon Church, It's history, it's doctrines, it's teacings, it's books of scripture, it's General Conference talks, and the like are constantly changing. Therefore, they cannot possibly be real, and they cannot possibly be truth.
Angeleer8 1 year ago
Another thing. one of first version of bible is the King James. The book of james is not the real name of that apostle. the scholars of james wanted to honor him and placed his name in the bible. It is not Peter James and John but real name of James is Jacob. Historians found his name and it is translated into Jacob. so the three should be Peter, Jacob, and John. Enough evidence that man translated parts of the bible incorrectly and placed their own mark. not bash, trust in spirit not in man.
rlow8 1 year ago
To point out the bible authenticity as if it is perfect. Last book were written 200 years after jesus and the bible was in the possesion of the Catholic Church. We all know the corruption of the catholic church. they wouldnt allow people to read the bible. they controlled it for hundreds of years. it is obvious the the bible has been corrupted. This church couldnt have kept the bible pure. we would not have the bible unless for the catholic church. dont be ignorant that the bible is perfect.
rlow8 1 year ago
@rlow8 I think it's obvious that I have not claimed that the Bible is perfect. But I know that the BS claim that the Catholics altered it, is incorrect based on two things. Most doctrines in the New Testament are clearly unfavorable to the Catholics. If they had changed it, you think that would have fixed the doctrine to match their authority and claims. Secondly we have the Dead Sea Scrolls, which verifies the OT. We have the scrolls from the Nag Hamadi caves too.
utahpirateradio 1 year ago
@utahpirateradio Yeah I know we have the dead sea scrolls. They back up LDS revalations. It gives proof of the bible. I hate the ignorance that people think the bible is perfect as if god gave it to us by his hand. Man is not perfect. Man translated the words from time to time. They couldnt have done it perfectly. These men werent prophets to translate so the didnt use inspiration to translate but human knowledge. Think of a story your great grandfather told. Can you repeat exactly what he said
rlow8 1 year ago
@rlow8 But thats where you go wrong. Unlike Joseph Smith, I am not making claims like that about the Bible. Joseph Smith said "the Book of Mormon is the most correct book on earth". You complain about books not being contained in the Bible as proof that the Bible is not perfect. So what, Joseph Smith claimed he only got 1/3 of the way through the translation before the angel took the book back. So in that regard, the Bible is more perfect and more COMPLETE than the book of Mormon.
utahpirateradio 1 year ago
@utahpirateradio Explain how there are quotes by the apostles in the New Testament that are in the Septuagint and not the Old Testament. The Book of Mormon is the most correct book on the earth. The Bible has been twisted by people. Why do you think there are italic words in the Bible?
majinish 9 months ago
@utahpirateradio The bible starts with moses's writing. he wasnt the first prophet. where are the writings of joseph, jacob, enoch, seth, noah, etc. Im sure they had some important sayings of the gospel. he writes about those prophets which covers thousands of years in one book. The bible mentions other books which are not in the bible. I read the Nag Hammadi and it says those writings have the gospel of thomas. evidence bible doesnt contain all of god's word.
rlow8 1 year ago
@rlow8 You may be thinking that I declare that the Bible is perfect. That is not what I declare. I am pointing out the problems with the Book of Mormon, because of what Joseph Smith and Mormons to this day claim "it is the most correct book on earth". The Book of Mormon peoples (millions of them), never existed, and there is no evidence for these huge cities, metal weapons, and huge battles. I am saying that the Book of Mormon is not the more correct. The Bible is more reliable.
utahpirateradio 1 year ago
I agree with word count. The word Elohim which is in the hebrew bible means plural gods. this is another argument on difference on interpretation. some read the scripture of "only worship one god". people take this as only one god exists or worship god and not false created gods, idols etc. To me Deut 6:4 is talking about idols gods after reading the whole chapter. Gen 1:26 say "let us make man" so there are more than one god or jesus and the father are individual gods in the trinity
rlow8 1 year ago
@rlow8 And Isaiah chapt 44-45.. "Is there any other Gods? I know not of any".
Yea, 1 God, not plural but singular. That is ALSO in the Dead Sea Scrolls.
utahpirateradio 1 year ago
Hey dumb ass the changes where addition of punctuations and printer errors! The Torah also has had punctuation added!! The meaning of the book has not changed!! Typical anti-Mormon lies!!!!!
EscapeNewJersey 1 year ago
@EscapeNewJersey Yep. I don't think putting a , or a . makes a meaning change. These people are just ignorant.
majinish 1 year ago
@majinish They are grasping at straws. The original Book of Mormon was printed in the early 1800 on a shoe string budget and printed by non-Mormon book printer. There were printing mistakes and the puntuation was not there and verses where not separated. This is what the anti-Mormons try to fool people into believing that the Book of Mormon was changed, quite deceptive. Many of the same addition where also done to the Torah but nobody says that those are chnages. Double standards!
EscapeNewJersey 1 year ago
And how did you find this out? Come on man stop foling around.
chrstilen5 1 year ago
Mormons are Christian because they believe in Christ.
fairpixi 1 year ago
@fairpixi Which one? Lucifer's spirit brother? A created being? One god of many? (These all describe the Mormon Jesus, none of which are Biblical.)
wannawatchu66 1 year ago
@wannawatchu66 these claims of many gods, three separate beings are support stronger from the bible than the book of mormon. the doctrine of three separate and plurality of gods is not well mentioned in the BOM. It obvious that the the bible supports the separate god head(stephen vision, genesis, and baptism of jesus.) not meaning any hard feelings but i have notice people just say "the bible says this" but when it actually supports other doctrines. they read only the verses they want to read.
rlow8 1 year ago
@rlow8 Respectfully, the Bible doesn't claim "three separate and plurality of gods," either. Israel is told in Deuteronomy 6:4 that her God is one. And this triune Godhead consists of 3 PERSONS: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. If you don't read Hebrew, I'll help you: the word "one" in Deut. 6:4 is the Hebrew word "echad," a *compound* unity. Joseph Smith KNEW but rejected the doctrine of the triune God, as do LDS of today. Wish I had more than a lousy 500 characters.
wannawatchu66 1 year ago
Anti Mormons are grasping for straws.
When your in front of Christ, He'll show you that these changes were not such a big deal and simply clarify to Joseph and every other Mormon the whole truth.
Perfected!
It's called daily revelation.
Thats the truth, Not closed heavens or no God as most atheists promote.
bdjennings 1 year ago
Mormons trying to defend the changes to the Book Of Mormon is like Hitler trying to justify himself. It's never going to happen. Stop being so ignorant and open your eyes for once. The Book Of Mormon is just one massive lie.
RandomBackground 1 year ago
I finished a class on the changes to all versions of the BofM... very intesting class.
I use the RCE edition published by Zarahemla Research Foundation, as it has been compared to the original and printers manuscript and has been restored to the MOST accurate to date. Very good edition.
I like your you tube info, as it is very close to my class
Thanks
kenrobb1999 2 years ago
God has only one true church.
bdjennings 2 years ago
@bdjennings Wrong. He doesn't exist.
RandomBackground 1 year ago
I use the 1830 text of the Book of Mormon for my research. I guess you could call me a Whitmerite because I believe the things David Whitmer said about the early restoration in "An Address to All Believers in Christ'. READ THE BOOK OF MORMON
FightingOne1 2 years ago
Many kind of bible verses, I don't bileve this religion is real religion.
Hadimful 2 years ago
Anti Mormons will have their day in court.
bdjennings 2 years ago
So will anti-evangelicals.
rodwyr 2 years ago 2
it amazes me to here the word anti mormon. when the missionaries come to your door and tell you that your belief is wrong and there is no salvation outside the mormon church... that is anti christian. besides js cast the first stone in the war between christianity and the lds. when he went to inquire about the lord and was told all other religions were an abomination... wow... people now defend their faith and they are anti mormon. sounds like hypocracy to me!
jtimmis 2 years ago
I agree...but I must say this. Pretty much any Mormon wants to be accepted as Christian, but deny the fundamental teachings of Christianity. So, by that logic, all orthodox Christians deny Mormon teachings, so we must all be Mormon, right?
rodwyr 2 years ago
i had this talk with a mormon friend of mine. i said i dont believe in js and the dnc and bom and pearl of great price or any of the church teachins. so i'm mormon right. of course she said no. so when i said jesus is the spirit bro of lucifer and god the father created jesus and so on, i said then how can you call yourself chrisian. i agree with you. they are blinded by the god of this age.
jtimmis 2 years ago
@bdjennings Not so fast idiot, anti mormons are anti satan and we are the ones with the help of God who exposes the mormons satanic cult, GO YOUTUBE MORMON LADY WENT TO HELL, dont ever get out of line and tell us we will have our day in court cus you'll just irritate me
TheDirtyblondes316 2 years ago
"a description of the manner in which the Book of Mormon was translated. Joseph Smith would put the seer stone into a hat, and put his face in the hat, drawing it closely around his face to exclude the light;"...
WATCH ME PULL A RABBIT OUT OF MY HAT!!!
jfreesprt 2 years ago
You are so smart. Thanks for including context (bwahh hhahahaha).
There is a concept in economics called Opportunity Cost. Ever heard of it? Short version is - you are a looser.
road1n 2 years ago
Thank you for this awesome video...I am ex-mormon, and after finding all of the total lies the church told me and my family for over 40yrs...I pulled my family out....and went to Jesus and ONLY Jesus and ONLY read the Bible for the true word of God. Shame on all Mormons who decieve the innocent.
IloveChrist2 2 years ago 11
@IloveChrist2 i agree ilovechrist2
TheDirtyblondes316 2 years ago
Just so you know I did look at all your little video attacks .... and you didn't address what I pointed out to you.... again do your song and dance and hopefully you can avoid a subject in which you fail to address. Again your very good at attacking religions but seem to be unable to acknowledge history of the bible.
Fonzie223 2 years ago
For such a scholor, what do you know about the bible and all the changes and who and why things were left out? Again for someone who has commited such time to attack a reglion makes me questions your motives.
Fonzie223 2 years ago
I addressed the Mormon claim that the Bible is incomplete or incorrect.
I have 46 videos that you may want to look at before asking why I haven't addressed a topic. I've addressed it several times actually, check the other videos.
Also, as for the books being left out of the Bible. First, just because a book is referenced, doesn't mean it's doctrinal.
Further more, what happen to the other 2/3's of the Book of Mormon that Moroni wouldn't let Joseph Smith translate! ??
slu2com 2 years ago
@slu2com It wasn't time for that part to be revealed just as it wasn't meant for the golden plates to be translated at an earlier time. The Lord has His reasons and that is good enough.
majinish 1 year ago
@Fonzie223 True - the Bible & the BOM are *both* fiction. Thank you for pointing that out!
amaxamon 11 months ago
There is a story about a confrontation
between a monk and a highwayman. Both
demonstrate their martial prowess at a
distance w/many threatening postures w/
dazzleing speed. When the time of procuring rite of domain comes, and their
reflection can be seen in ea. others eyes, they are too exhausted to fight. The robber
then thanks the monk for his skillful demonstration and in turn the monk gives the robber a coin.
zhoudunyi 2 years ago
you dont know anything. Mormonism did not start out with the God head as a Tri-being. Joesph Smith saw two personages standing above him. And one pointed to another.
go check your facts. You're manipulating everything. I feel bad for everyone that watches your videos because they're all getting a negative perspective that isn't even true. The best thing YOU can do is to READ THE BOOK OF MORMON AND PRAY FOR YOUSELF.
2 Nephi 33:10-11
2 Nephi 28:31 dont pray with a biased heart.
srt4forthewin 2 years ago 4
I posted a video that I recite some of the other versions of the "First Vision". Take a look.
slu2com 2 years ago 3
I did and I ask you to recite the orginal version of the bible compared to todays bible.... agian man you act as if book editing only happened to the book of mormon, believe it or not it happens and happened to the bible of all books.
Fonzie223 2 years ago
@srt4forthewin get a IQ test, if its super low that will explain why u beleive this
MrAussiechampion 1 year ago
@srt4forthewin your obviously ignorant to the other versions of Joseph Smith's first vision.
kramd1 1 year ago
@srt4forthewin - You instruct people to read the Book of Mormon and then "pray" about it. According to the LDS Temple Endowment, when Adam is thrust out of the Garden of Eden he builds an altar and prays to god using the "true order of prayer." The only problem is, Lucifer (god of this world) is the one who answers Adam's prayer, not god. How, then, can you trust that the answer you get is coming from god and not Lucifer, when that's what the Temple says happens? Hmm?
chulotc 1 year ago
Funny. Stupid but funny, specially when trying to argue out of context...
Benishe 3 years ago
its funny people should read the bottom of BOM at the start small writing about past editions being incorrect
VIV292 3 years ago
The Bible is considered by many to be "correct" in the sense that it contains correct doctrines and principles. Yet it is not considered "correct" by means of being without grammatical or even historical inconsistencies.
When Joseph said the Book of Mormon was correct "and by reading it you can get closer to God". He clearly meant that it was "correct" in terms of doctrines and principles.
The anti-Mormon tactic here is to pretend that Joseph meant something that he really didn't mean.
smpf38 3 years ago
"When Joseph said the Book of Mormon was correct "and by reading it you can get closer to God". He clearly meant that it was "correct" in terms of doctrines and principles. "
But you completely fail to address what Joseph Smith, David Whitmer, and others wrote about the translation process. Joseph Smith attested in many instances how "the Book of Mormon was translated by the power of God not man".
The description in his journal about the magic stone in the hate, and the process. (cont..)
slu2com 3 years ago
(cont), the magic stone in the hat process as documented in many historical records by those closest to the process all say that an character would appear, and then a translation. If the translation wasn't correct, the next character would not appear.
That leaves little if any room for error.
And then after it is writen Joseph Smith boasts of how it is written by the power of God, not man. And that it is the most correct book on the face of the earth.
Yet, 4000 errors and counting!
slu2com 3 years ago
And then the recent thing about the Native American ancestory.
Now I realize that wasn't in the original translation. It was added later.
But this sheds a huge bright light on what LDS revelation and authority is all about.
slu2com 3 years ago
We have been over this before, but I will be happy to correct you on this ... again.
Again, we are only speaking about one step in the process. There were steps before and after Joseph's translation. Furthermore, the stones weren't used the entire time. According to Elder Orson Pratt of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, tJoseph used the Urim and Thummim when he was inexperienced at translation but that later he did not need it (Millennial Star, 11 Aug. 1874, 49899).
smpf38 3 years ago
SLU: ...in many historical records by those closest to the process all say that an character would appear, and then a translation.
The translation could not have been considered as "incorrect" for things like grammar and spelling especially when English did not have a standard as it does now.
SLU: 4000 errors and counting.
So much for your "4000 errors".
smpf38 3 years ago
@slu2com This is a random thought but who decides it has errors. ill agree with grammar errors but who says this error is an error. are you god or a prophet to judge that. just saying because there is a warning to those who judge the book of mormon questioning it. it say errors are errors of men and dont condemn god. i testify of BOM that says christ is lord but who condemns it might regret if BOM is true. If im wrong my judgment wont be as bad if you're wrong. I supported a book about god.
rlow8 1 year ago
@rlow8 For me it is OBVIOUS that the Mormons changed the references to Jesus being God the father, to Jesus being reduced to NOT sharing that title in later versions of the Book of Mormon. It seems as the D&C progressed and new doctrines were made in D&C, the Book of Mormon experienced changes in doctrine.
Obviously you are going to deny that. Look up Sandra Tanner, she does an excellent job pointing these changes out. I have also made video about it.
utahpirateradio 1 year ago
SLU: But you completely fail to address what Joseph Smith, David Whitmer, and others wrote about the translation process.
I DID address that fully and completely. I addressed the fact that not only was that one of the many steps that was necessary to produce the Book of Mormon, but I also addressed all of the facets of that process. All on this thread.
smpf38 3 years ago
SLU: You say that these changes have been tracked.
To the extent that is possible from the copies that are available (similar to the Bible situation, we don't have the original).
In fact, Mormon had the originals. He copied texts and compiled them according to what he felt was good for us to read. That is one human step (errors such as the Benjamin/Mosiah could have occurred here.) Many other copying steps followed where errors could occur. Hence, the title page mentions "errors of men".
smpf38 3 years ago
SLU: The reference to King Benjamin that was later changed to King Mosiah. Mosiah 21:28 ... Do you not know why it's incorrect?
Let me show how unreasonable your argument is:
2 Kings 24:8 reads: Jehoiachin was 18 years old when he began to reign, 2 Chronicles 36:9 reads: Jehoiachin was 8 years old when he began to reign,
According to your standards, this would mean that the Bible cannot be considered "correct" and anybody who has ever called the Bible "correct" is a liar or misinformed.
smpf38 3 years ago
"2 Kings 24:8 reads: Jehoiachin was 18 years old when he began to reign, 2 Chronicles 36:9 reads: Jehoiachin was 8 years old when he began to reign,"
Sorry, I can see the possibility of 8 vs. 18. They are AT LEAST a similar number.
But "Benjamin" as opposed to "Mosiah". Not very similar is it?
And besides, the way that Joseph Smith described the translation in his journals. That kind of mistake was impossible, as God guided the entire translation, and wouldn't let Joseph mess up.
slu2com 3 years ago
SLU: But "Benjamin" as opposed to "Mosiah". Not very similar is it?
First of all, it isn't clear as to whether or not this SHOULD have been changed to begin with. The chronology of this section of text is not linear.
Second, we have gone over the fact that this error could have taken place at any of the many steps in the publishing process. Including BEFORE Joseph even got his hands on it.
Finally, Joseph didn't use the process you describe the entire time.
3 strikes, you are out.
smpf38 3 years ago
"Finally, Joseph didn't use the process you describe the entire time. "
When he was done, he testified that the Book of Mormon was not translated by man, but by the power of God.
So again, no room for the errors that you talk about. He and the scribes testify to a translation that was done how I told you it was done, which would also justify the claim of "not by man, but by the power of God".
If it was "translated by man" I would understand the errors. But according to Smith t wasn't
slu2com 3 years ago
SLU: When he was done, he testified that the Book of Mormon was not translated by man, but by the power of God.
Joseph explained how the "gift" and "power" of God is revelation. Revelation comes from the power of God but he doesn't say that God translated it. If God were the person translating the book, there would have been no need for Joseph.
And again you ignore the fact that it was written by men, compiled/copied by Mormon (a man), translated, copied by men, and then typeset by men.
smpf38 3 years ago
YOU EVIL RACIST! SMPF38 The MORMON Pearl of Great Price is not the WORD of GOD look how the MORMON GOD Treats the AFRICANS he CURSED BLACK
"..there was a BLACKNESS came upon all the children of Canaan(Canaan SEED OF CAIN BLACK AFRICANS), that they were despised among all people..(Moses 7:8)."
"...,for the seed of Cain were BLACK, and had not place among them (Moses 7:22)."
(SEED OF CAIN BLACK AFRICANS) being of the lineage by which he could not have the right of PRIESTHOOD(Abraham 1:26-27)."
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
legal: YOU EVIL RACIST! SMPF38
I am not racist. I am not evil. It should be noted that the Curse of Cain was a well known (and popular) Protestant theory in America, as well as the even more popular curse of Ham doctrine, which was even held by many abolitionists of the time.
Second, it should be noted that Joseph Smith wanted himself to abolish slavery. He also ordained blacks to the priesthood. It is a little more complicated that you would like it to be (i.e. Mormons = Evil/Racist)
smpf38 2 years ago
smpf38 THE CURSE OF CAIN DOCTRINE with GOD CURSING CAIN WITH BLACK SKIN AND FROM THE PRIESTHOOD IS NOT IN THE HOLY BIBLE SORRY BUT IT IS IN YOUR RACIST MORMON SCRIPTURES REPENT! YOU RACIST DEVIL!
Are the Mormons abolitionists? No, unless delivering the people from priestcraft, and the priests from the power of Satan, should be considered abolition. But we do not believe in setting the negroes free.LDS MORMON Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr., History of the Church, v.3, p. 29
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
legal: THE CURSE OF CAIN DOCTRINE with GOD CURSING CAIN WITH BLACK SKIN... IS NOT IN THE HOLY BIBLE...
That was a Protestant interpretation of the Bible. I didn't say that it was correct. In fact, I think that Protestants have a long history of misinterpreting the Bible.
Are the Mormons abolitionists? No, ...
Incomplete history. You quote Joseph Smith 1838. It is well known that over time he became more and more anti-slavery. He ran for President of the U.S. on an anti-slavery platform.
smpf38 2 years ago
SORRY smpf38 but the MORMON church is the only church on earth that has another BIBLE that teaches this RACIST CRAP in it 3 strikes your OUT!
MORMON SCRIPTURES PREACH the black skin was the curse read the BOOK OF Mormon scriptures close>
"...skin of BLACKNESS to come upon them (Book of Mormon 2 Nephi 5:21)."
"And the skins of the Lamanites were DARK,...which WAS A CURSE upon them...(Book of Mormon, Alma 3:6)."
"and the cursing which hath come upon their skins...(Book of Mormon, Jacob 3:5)."
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
"Change their situation with the whites, and they would be like them. They have souls, and are subjects of salvation. Go into any city, and find an educated negro, who rides in his carriage, and you will see a man who has risen by the powers of his own mind to his exalted state of respectability. The slaves in Washington are more refined than many in high places, and the black boys will take the shine of many of those they brush and wait on." -Joseph Smith
History of the Church, Vol 5, p. 216):
smpf38 2 years ago
smpf38 you can't defend something that was never right boil your face on this you RACIST
We understand that when God made man in his own image and pronounced him very good, that he made him white. We have no record of any of God's favored servants being of a black race....every angel who ever brought a message of God's mercy to man was beautiful to look upon, clad in the purest white and with a countenance bright as the noonday sun.
- LDS MORMON The Juvenile Instructor, Vol. 3, page 157
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
I never said that nobody in the Mormon Church had ever said or taught anything that was racist. Of course they have. I am simply putting these statements in their proper context, which is a racist United States of America (i.e. before the civil rights movement).
Racism was rampant in all of the U.S., not just with Mormons, as you seem to suggest.
smpf38 2 years ago
smpf38 REPENT YOU RACIST!
LDS PROPHET John Taylor Stated:Why is it, in fact, that we should have a devil? Why did not the Lord kill him long ago? . . .He needed the devil and great many of those who do his bidding just to keep . . . our dependence upon God, . . . When he destroyed the inhabitants of the antediluvian world, he suffered a descendant of Cain to come through the flood in order that he [the devil] might be properly represented upon the earth (Journal of Discourses, vol. 23, p. 336).
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
llegal: REPENT YOU RACIST!
Calling me a racist because Mormon leaders said racist things would be like me calling you (an American) racist and pro-slavery because American leaders had racist views and had slaves.
smpf38 2 years ago
you are a RACIST trying to defend LDS DOCTRINE Mark E. Petersen LDS Apostle "If I were to marry a Negro woman and have children by her, my children would all be cursed as to the priesthood..There are 50 million Negroes in the United States. If they were to achieve complete absorption with the white race, think what that would do. With 50 million Negroes inter-married with us, where would the priesthood be? Who could hold it, in all America? Think what that would do to the work of the Church!..
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
Brigham Young certainly had racist views (as did most white men in America at that time). But he also said things like:
"For their abuse of [the Black African] race, the whites will be cursed, unless they repent." -Brigham Young (Journal of Discourses, Vol.10, p.110)
smpf38 2 years ago
JOSEPH SMITH WROTE THIS! Mormon God Curses the USA Indians with Black skin for rebelling against the Mormon GOD
"...wherefore, as they were WHITE and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a SKIN of BLACKNESS to come upon them (2 Nephi 5:21)."
Here the MORMON GOD turns the USA INDIANS back WHITE Skinned because they REPENTED
"And their curse was taken from them, and their skin became WHITE like unto the Nephites" (3 Nephi 2:15).
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
smpf38 Are the Mormons abolitionists? No, unless delivering the people from priestcraft, and the priests from the power of Satan, should be considered abolition. But we do not believe in setting the negroes free.Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr., History of the Church, v.3, p. 29
Had I anything to do with the negro, I would confine them by strict law to their own species, and put them on a national equalization" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 270; History of the Church, 5: 218 ).
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
What do you think "national equalization" for the "negro" means?
"where the Declaration of Independence holds these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; t...; but at the same time some two or three millions of people are held as slaves for life, because the spirit in them is covered with a darker skin than ours. - Joseph Smith (History of the Church, Vol.6, Ch.8, p.197 - p.198)
smpf38 2 years ago
A little more context for the quote you gave, the paragraph before the statement you quoted in History of the Church, 5: 218 is where Joseph Smith had just explained that if blacks had grown up with the same environment as whites, they would be equals.
"it makes my blood boil within me to reflect upon the injustice, cruelty, and oppression of the rulers of the people. When will these things cease to be, and the Constitution and the laws again bear rule?" (History of the Church, 4:544).
smpf38 2 years ago
LDS MORMON APOSTLE MARK E. PETERSON SAID LAMANITES & NEGROES HAVE THE SAME CURSE OF BLACK SKIN "Who placed the Negroes originally in darkest Africa? Was it some man, or was it God? And when He placed them there, He segregated them....The Lord segregated the people ... At least in the cases of the LAMANITES and the NEGROES we have the definite word of the Lord Himself that He placed a dark skin upon them as a CURSE ... Race Problems--As They Affect The Church
by Mark E. Petersen 1954: Page 14
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
Petition your legislators to abolish slavery by the year 1850, or now, pay every man a reasonable price for his slaves out of the surplus revenue arising from the sale of public landsbreak off the shackles from the poor black man, and hire him to labor like other human beings;...Restore freedom! Break down slavery!... where I the President... I would use all honorable means to have their prayers granted and give liberty to the captives." -Joseph Smith
For the record, he WAS an abolitionist.
smpf38 2 years ago
smpf38 REPENT!
"There is a reason why one man is born black and with other disadvantages,while another is born white with great advantage.The reason is that we once had an estate before we came here, and were obedient, more or less,to the laws that were given us there. Those who were faithful in all things there received greater blessings here,and those who were not faithful received less....The Negro, evidently, is receiving the reward he merits." Doctrines of Salvation, Volume 1, pages 66-67.
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
smpf38 your MORMON church DOCTRINE is RACIST!
The"Negro Question" Declaration of 1949,the First Presidency under the direction of LDS (Mormon) Prophet George Albert Smith made a declaration which included the statement that the priesthood restriction was Divinely Commanded and not a matter of Church Policy...It is not a..Policy but of Direct Commandment from the LORD..the DOCTRINE of the CHURCH..NEGROES may become members of the CHURCH but that they are not entitled to the PRIESTHOOD..
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
smpf38 your MORMON church cursed AFRICANS in HEAVEN!
LDS prophet Joseph Fielding Smith on blacks-
Not only was Cain called upon to suffer [for killing Abel], but because of his wickedness HE BECAME THE FATHER OF AN INFERIOR RACE...MILLIONS OF SOULS HAVE COME INTO THIS WORLD CURSED WITH A BLACK SKIN and have been denied the privilege of Priesthood and the fullness of the blessing of the Gospel. These are the descendants of Cain." (The Way to Perfection, by
Joseph Fielding Smith,pages 101-102.
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
Let us consider the great mercy of God for a moment. a Chinese,born in China with a dark skin,and with all the handicaps of that race seems to have little opportunity but think of the mercy of god to Chinese people who are willing to accept the gospel In spite of whatever they might have done in the pre-existence to justify being born over there as Chinamen,if they now,in this life,accept the gospel and live it the rest of their lives they can have the Priesthood,..LDS Apostle Mark E. Petersen
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
"Joseph Smiths platform represented middle-road abolitionism. Smith and the Mormons opposed on outright freeing of slaves without compensation, recognizing that it clearly would result in division and war." -Encyclopedia of Anti-Slavery and Abolition pg.159
smpf38 2 years ago
smpf38 you cant defend RACISM REPENT!
the blood of the Canaanites was preserved" through the flood, he having married Egyptus, a descendant of Cain. (Abra. 1:20-27.) Ham was cursed, apparently for marrying into the forbidden lineage, and the effects of the curse passed to his son, Canaan.Ham's descendants include the Negroes, who originally were barred from holding the priesthood but have been able to do so since June, 1978 (Mormon Doctrine, Bruce R. McConkie, Bookcraft, 1979 edition, p. 343).
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
smpf38 TRY TO DEFEND IT YOU RACIST!
LDS PROPHET Wilford Woodruff Stated:Any man having children with a BLACK woman must be beheaded, and his children must be killed:And if any man mingle his seed with the seed of Cane the ownly way he could get rid of it or have salvation would be to come forward and have his head cut off & spill his Blood upon the ground it would also take the life of his children... (Wilford Woodruff's Journal, recording a speech by Brigham Young, January 16, 1852,)
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
LLegal: TRY TO DEFEND IT YOU RACIST!
I have no need to defend racist statements of past LDS leaders. I don't agree with those statements.
I think you have a serious misconception about what I believe.
smpf38 2 years ago
U believe this
Spencer W. Kimball said:I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today..For years they have been growing delightsome,and they are now becoming white and delightsome,as they were promised..These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness.One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated.General Conference Report,October,1960
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
llegal: U believe this ..whiteness and to delightsomeness
You clearly know very little about what I believe. I believe in "whitesome and delightsomeness" in the same sense that the scriptures speak of it "white" meaning "pure", not skin color. In fact, the Book of Mormon speaks of darker skinned people (Lamanites) being "more righteous" than the lighter skinned Nephites at certain times throughout the history. Clearly, color and righteousness aren't directly related in that sense.
smpf38 2 years ago
smpf38 this is skin color you RACIST!
". . .skin of BLACKNESS to come upon them (Book of Mormon 2 Nephi 5:21)."
"And the skins of the Lamanites were DARK,...which WAS A CURSE upon them...(Book of Mormon, Alma 3:6)."
"and the cursing which hath come upon their skins . . . (Book of Mormon, Jacob 3:5)."
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
Llegal: this is skin color you RACIST!
Yes, but the skin color did not define their righteousness. Clearly, they became righteous no matter what their skin color was. In other words, at any given moment, skin color does not tell you whether or not a person is righteous or not. White Nephites were deemed to be wicked, and dark skinned Lamanites were righteous.
smpf38 2 years ago
smpf38 NOPE wrong the WHITE skin people were the GOOD PEOPLE and the BLACK skin was the cursed people you need to read your MORMON scriptures why would the MORMON GOD turn them BLACK SKINNED when they REBELLED and if they REPENT he turns them back white skinned? you are LOST
MORMON GOD turns the USA INDIANS back WHITE Skinned because they REPENTED
"And their curse was taken from them, and their skin became WHITE like unto the Nephites" (3 Nephi 2:15).
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
smpf38 Mormons say Christians are ignorant!
"With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world."(JoD 8:99)
"What! Are Christians ignorant? Yes, as ignorant of the things of God as the brute beast."(JoD 6:25)
Mormons say Christians are whoremasters
LDS APOSTLE Heber C. Kimball "Christians - those poor, miserable priests Brother Brigham was speaking about - some of them are the biggest whoremasters there are on the earth..."(JoD 5:39)
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
Llegal: "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world."(JoD 8:99)
To be fair, Brigham Young called HIMSELF "ignorant" concerning many things about God. Also, you must consider the fact that Brigham had just been driven from 3 different states and had the temple they built burned to the ground, their property ravaged and stolen, and good friends killed. They were a little upset.
smpf38 2 years ago
smpf38 you can not defend RACISM stop crying about it! your LDS MORMON CHURCH IS RACIST today in 2-25-09
"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so." Journal of Discourses, Volume 10, page 110.
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
llegal: you can not defend RACISM stop crying about it!
I am not defending racism. Nor am I crying. I am pointing out your incomplete information and inconsistencies.
smpf38 2 years ago
(EVIL MORMONS) The Mountain Meadows massacre involved a mass slaughter of the Fancher-Baker emigrant wagon train at Mountain Meadows in the Utah Territory by the local MORMON militia in September 1857..All of the party were killed, except for a few children under 8 years old. Some infants were killed while in their mothers arms.After the massacre, the corpses of the victims were left decomposing for two years on the open plain... auxiliaries executed approximately 120 men, women and children...
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
Ever hear of the Christian crusades?
I know about the Mountain Meadow Massacres. I also know about all kinds of massacres that have taken place throughout history in the name of many religions. Including Christianity.
Even the KKK was supposedly justified by "Christianity".
smpf38 2 years ago
"It is true that the blood of the Son of God was shed for sins through the fall and those committed by men, yet men can commit sins which it can never remit.... There are sins that can be atoned for by an offering upon an altar, as in ancient days; and there are sins that the blood of a lamb,... cannot remit, but they must be atoned for by the blood of the man." (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 4, pages 53-54); also published in the Mormon Church's Deseret News, 1856, page 235)
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
The unpardonable sin was described by Jesus in the New Testament. Look it up.
smpf38 2 years ago
LDS PROPHET Brigham Young:Let me suppose a case. Suppose you found your brother in bed with your wife, and PUT A JAVELIN THROUGH BOTH OF THEM, YOU WOULD BE JUSTIFIED, AND THEY WOULD ATONE FOR THEIR SINS, AND BE RECEIVED INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD...I have NO WIFE whom I love so well that I would not put a javelin through her heart, and I would DO IT WITH CLEAN HANDS... ...The BLOOD of CHRIST will never wipe that out, YOUR OWN BLOOD MUST ATONE FOR IT;... (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 3, p. 247)
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
your DOCTRINE is RACIST!
"It is also to the Book of Mormon to which we turn for the plainest description of the Catholic Church as the great and abominable church.Nephi saw this church which is the most abominable above all other churches' in vision. He saw the devil that he was the foundation of it' and also the murders, wealth, harlotry, persecutions, and evil desires that historically have been a part of this satanic organization.(LDS Apostle Bruce R. McConkie. Mormon Doctrine[1958],130.)
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
That book, and McConkies conclusions made in the book were repudiated by the President of the Church at the time, John Taylor.
When the book came out John Taylor rejected it.
smpf38 2 years ago
smpf38 you LOST you are RACIST FOR BELIEVING IN THIS RACIST MORMON CHURCH
The moment we consent to mingle with the seed of Cain the Church must go to destruction, - we should receive the curse which has been placed upon the seed of Cain, and never more be numbered with the children of Adam who are heirs to the priesthood until that curse be removed.
- Prophet Brigham Young, Brigham Young Addresses, Feb. 5, 1852, LDS historical department
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
smpf38 you racist kkk devil
"In our first settlement in Missouri, it was said by our enemies that we intended to tamper with the slaves, not that we had any idea of the kind, for such a thing never entered our minds. We knew that the children of Ham were to be the "servant of servants," and no power under heaven could hinder it, so long as the Lord would permit them to welter under the curse and those were known to be our religious views concerning them."Journal of Discourses,Volume 2,page 172
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
Llegal: you racist kkk devil
I can clearly see that you aren't worth talking to. You don't know anything about me. I am married to a dark skinned woman and your insults are worthless.
smpf38 2 years ago
smpf38 just because you are married to a DARK SKINNED WOMEN that does not mean you are not RACIST your thinking and religion of MORMONISM is RACIST to all DARK SKINNED PEOPLE of the WORLD I feel sorry for your DARK SKINNED wife that you would put her through all this TRASH and beliefs in the MORMON religion just because you think it is right wake up man you are LOST big time look what you believe in it is RACIST to the CORE the BOOK of MORMON preaches HATE to BLACK & DARK SKINNED PEOPLE!
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
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THIS IS HATE TO BLACK AFRICANS!
SEED OF CAIN KEEPS CURSE ON LAND THROUGH HAM>
24...from Ham, sprang that race which preserved the curse in the land.(Abraham 1:23-24)
Mormon God turns the seed of CAIN BLACK>
"..A BLACKNESS came upon all the children of Canaan..(Moses 7:8)."
seed of CAIN are now BLACK>
"...for the seed of Cain were BLACK...(Moses 7:22)."
BLACK SEED of CAIN CAN NOT HOLD THE PRIESTHOOD>
"being of the lineage by which he could not have the right of PRIESTHOOD,(Abraham 1:26-27)"
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
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smpf38 THIS IS HATE TO YOUR DARK SKINNED WIFE IF SHE WAS MY WIFE I WOULD NOT SHOW HER THIS TRASH I WOULD KEEP HER FROM THIS HATE!
MORMON SCRIPTURES PREACH the black skin was the curse read the BOOK OF Mormon scriptures close--->
". . .skin of BLACKNESS to come upon them (Book of Mormon 2 Nephi 5:21)."
"And the skins of the Lamanites were DARK,...which WAS A CURSE upon them...(Book of Mormon, Alma 3:6)."
"and the cursing which hath come upon their skins . . . (Book of Mormon, Jacob 3:5)."
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
smpf38 THIS IS HATE TO YOUR WIFE LDS APOSTLE SAID LAMANITES & NEGROES HAVE THE SAME CURSE OF BLACK SKIN "Who placed the Negroes originally in darkest Africa? Was it some man, or was it God? And when He placed them there, He segregated them....The Lord segregated the people...At least in the cases of the LAMANITES and the NEGROES we have the definite word of the Lord Himself that He placed a dark skin upon them as a CURSE..Race Problems As They Affect The Church
by Mark E. Petersen 1954:Page 14
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
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Do you believe in this in The BOOK OF MORMON?
LDS PROPHET Joseph Smith:
"...The Lamanites, through transgression, became a loathsome, ignorant and filthy people, and were CURSED with a SKIN of DARKNESS yet,they have the promise, if they will believe,and work righteousness...they shall become a WHITE and DELIGHTSOME people..."
:The Latter-Day Saints Millennial Star, vol. 14, p. 418 "
"...they WERE WHITE...and DELIGHTSOME...Lord God did cause a SKIN OF BLACKNESS to come upon them (2 Nephi 5:21)"
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
smpf38 YOUR MORMON DOCTRINE IS RACIST YOU CANT WIN THIS POINT I AM MAKING!
Why are so many of the inhabitants of the earth cursed with a sin of blackness?It comes in consequence of their fathers rejecting the power of the Holy Priesthood, and the law of God. They will go down to death. And when all the rest of the children have received their blessings in the Holy Priesthood, then that curse will be removed from the seed of Cain
- Prophet Brigham Young,Journal of Discourses, v. 11, p. 272
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
smpf38 turn off your computer the battle is over you cant win defending a RACIST MORMON DOCTRINE if all BLACK Africans got to hear this RACIST DOCTRINE they would not join your lds church thats a FACT!
You must not think, from what I say, that I am opposed to slavery. No! The negro is damned, and is to serve his master till God chooses to remove the curse of Ham.
- Prophet Brigham Young, New York Herald, May 4, 1855, as cited in Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought, Spring 1973, p. 56
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
this is not JESUS CHRIST GOSPEL!
SEED OF CAIN KEEPS CURSE ON LAND THROUGH HAM>
24...from Ham, sprang that race which preserved the curse in the land.(Abraham 1:23-24)
Mormon God turns the seed of CAIN BLACK>
"..A BLACKNESS came upon all the children of Canaan..(Moses 7:8)."
seed of CAIN are now BLACK>
"...for the seed of Cain were BLACK...(Moses 7:22)."
BLACK SEED of CAIN CAN NOT HOLD THE PRIESTHOOD>
"being of the lineage by which he could not have the right of PRIESTHOOD,(Abraham 1:26-27)"
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
smpf38 you can not defend this book of Mormon it is RACIST and is not the fullness of JESUS CHRIST gospel!
MORMON SCRIPTURES PREACH the black skin was the curse read the BOOK OF Mormon scriptures close--->
". . .skin of BLACKNESS to come upon them (Book of Mormon 2 Nephi 5:21)."
"And the skins of the Lamanites were DARK,...which WAS A CURSE upon them...(Book of Mormon, Alma 3:6)."
"and the cursing which hath come upon their skins . . . (Book of Mormon, Jacob 3:5)."
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
LDS Prophet Brigham Young"You see some classes of the human family that are BLACK, uncouth, uncomely,disagreeable,sad,low in their habits, wild...Cain...Lord put a mark on him,which is the FLAT NOSE and BLACK SKIN. Trace mankind down to after the flood,and then other curse is pronounced upon the same race -that they would be the "servant of servants;"and they will be,until that CURSE is removed;and the Abolitionists cannot help it, nor in the least alter that decree."JoD, Volume 7, pages 290 291
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
smp38 CRY LDS APOSTLE "Though he was a rebel and an associate of Lucifer in the preexistence, and though he was a liar from the beginning whose name was Perdition, CAIN managed to attain the privilege of mortal birth...As a result of his rebellion, CAIN was CURSED with a DARK SKIN;he became the father of the NEGROES, and those spirits who are not worthy to receive the PRIESTHOOD are born through his lineage. He became the first mortal to be CURSED as a son of perdition." Mormon Doctrine,page109.
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
SLU: Book of Mormon was not translated by man, but by the power of God. So again, no room for the errors that you talk about...
If that is the case, why would have Joseph included in the introduction to the Book of Mormon the idea that the book very well could contain the "errors of men"?
Perhaps because you are misrepresenting the process of God using an imperfect tool (Joseph) to do the work of translation.
smpf38 2 years ago
1:46 "distinctify" is that a word?
Get a dictionary.
urloony 3 years ago
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urloony 3 years ago
2:45 Check the time line. The first vision account that was published by the church was written by Joseph Smith in 1838. Smith didn't become a Freemason until 1842 when a Masonic lodge was organized in Nauvoo. Furthermore, Freemasonry only requires a belief in deity, not plural deity.
urloony 3 years ago
3:25 Consistent textual evidence suggests that the three changes made would be to align with all the other references to the "Son of God." ie 1Nephi 11;21, 2Nephi25, 2Nephi31, Alma 5,6,7,9,3336,Hel-5,8,14,16, 3Nephi 1,9Mosiah3,15, Mormon 7,9 and many many others.
Confusion regarding deity is a modern problem, due to apostate creeds and notions. The fact that clarification is required for us is not an issue BoM authors would have had to contend with, nor does it suggest mistranslation.
urloony 3 years ago
you mormons always miss the point, who cares if others were not changed, who cares if you DO give him that title, your not dealing with the subject at hand which is, why was it changed from God to the son of God? if the book is so correct as joe blow said then you dont need to make thousands of corrections! some changes were VERY serious like peoples names being changed and names of cities changed. Thats how you find liars, they cant keep their stories straight, your in a big pagan cult!!!!
mattalone 3 years ago
matt: why was it changed from God to the son of God?
In order to clear up any confusion as to which member of the Godhead was being referred to. They all have the title of "God", therefore, it is helpful to indicate which individual is being discussed.
Matt: if the book is so correct as joe blow said ...
You are taking Joseph's quote out of context. He said that it was the most correct book in that it would bring you closer to God. Furthermore, I count less than 12 "significant" changes.
smpf38 3 years ago
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"Joseph Smith is a con artist,a pervert,a child molester,a bigamist and a murderer and Brigham Young took over where he left off ,only more so."
wgordon8 3 years ago
Smpf38;
I count far more than 12; your research is apparently lacking.
After DNA studies clearly fail to suppoer BoM, LDS changed the wording of BoM.
The "Lamanites" suddenly went from being "the principal ancestors of the Amerindian" to being "among the ancestors".
Yet, boM still maintains that Lehi & Co. arrived in the new world, found it to be uninhabited, and that it should be kept from the knowledge of other countries
So, that change fails. BoM is religious fiction, nothing more!!
Outlaw1257 3 years ago
Outlaw: After DNA studies clearly fail to suppoer BoM, LDS changed the wording of BoM...
You are referring to one of the introductory pages. It isn't the actual text that was translated, but instead a modern introduction to the text. Changing the introductory page was appropriate, because the previous introduction was based on false assumptions.
Outlaw: boM still maintains that Lehi & Co. arrived in the new world, found it to be uninhabited,
Only the area they settled was uninhabited.
smpf38 3 years ago
SMPF38: "It isn't the actual text that was translated, but instead a modern introduction to the text. "
Yes, but this is certainly evidence of what "modern day prophets" and "true authority" is all about.
If God's authority on earth is so extremely truthful and consistent. Then why are errors placed in the text, even after the church has been "reorganized" or "restored".
It's God's revealation THAT hard to decern?
slu2com 3 years ago
SLU: If God's authority on earth is so extremely truthful and consistent. Then why are errors placed in the text...
The "errors" are so insignificant, they have had absolutely no impact on the church at all. The only people who think they are significant are those (like you), who ignore the details and simply throw out numbers like 4000 without discussing exactly what those changes were.
As I have already explained on this thread, only 12 "changes" could even be considered as significant.
smpf38 3 years ago
Outlaw: I count far more than 12; your research is apparently lacking.
You apparently haven't read all of the comments under this video.
I went over all of the details, pointed out the opposition's inconsistencies and hypocrisies, and cleared up the false assumptions.
smpf38 3 years ago
"I went over all of the details, pointed out the opposition's inconsistencies and hypocrisies, and cleared up the false assumptions. "
As clear as mud! I love when LDS try to clear something up.
Why that cracks me up is because of this "devine authority" and "devine revelations" that these nuts claim to have. They are continously putting errors into the Book of Mormon (their main scripture), and when their errors don't fit science, then these errors are all of the sudden not devine. LOL
slu2com 3 years ago
The introduction to the Book of Mormon was never considered to be revelation, just like Bibles with commentary aren't.
smpf38 3 years ago
SMPF38 YOU RACIST! Book of Mormon is not the WORD of GOD look how the MORMON GOD Treats the USA INDIANS he CURSED BLACK
Book of Mormon ALMA 3:6"And the SKINS of the Lamanites (USA INDIANS) were DARK, according to the MARK which was set upon their fathers, WHICH was a CURSE upon them BECAUSE OF their TRANSGRESSION and their REBELLION..
Book of Mormon ALMA 3:9 "And it came to pass that whosoever did mingle his seed with that of the Lamanites (USA INDIANS) did bring the SAME CURSE upon his seed..
Ilegalplayer 2 years ago
SMPF;
You Mobots have worn out your over-used "taken out of context" defense.
Now, any time Mobots get caught in the web of being discredited by BoM's or LDS's, or any Apostle's or "prophets" own words, the same 'taken out of context" argument pops up.
It's just a lame, over-used excuse to escape your web of deceit and contradictions, nothing more.
Outlaw1257 3 years ago
Outlaw: You Mobots have worn out your over-used "taken out of context" defense.
That only stems from the fact that the typical Anti-Mormon tactic is to misuse, misrepresent, or take out of context.
Change your tactics if you want a different defense.
smpf38 3 years ago
Smph38;
The problem stems from the fact that you lame out with the "out of context" excuse when people understand all too well what BoM, SmYth, Bring'um Young, or any other LDS leaders or writers stated in the first place.
Change my tactics??
No!! I'll continue to expose LDS's & BoM's web of lies and deceptions!!
Outlaw1257 3 years ago
You misunderstand the meaning of "most correct". He did not say perfect.. or absolutely correct. What he was saying is that when you read it.. the meaning and understanding you will get from it is the most correct of any other Book out there when it comes to the teachings that are taught.
You just want to make more out of his comments than was intended.
The Book of Mormon is a history of the people who lived on the American Continent from 600BC to 400AD. Read it!
MrNirom 3 years ago
most correct is more correct. more correct than the Bible. the most correct statement has an object. that object is the Bible. the words are pointed at Bible belivers. BofM is most correct. it is of higher authority and more correct then the Bible. that was the point of the sentence. and its erroroneous
hypnotstcollector 3 years ago
Hypno: No.. not of higher authority.. but more in line of.. "all complete" Nothing left out. Most correct. He speaks of the Gospel. 4 main points. 1. Faith in Jesus Christ. 2. Repentance and forsaking sin. 3. Baptism for the remission of sins.. 4. Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost. These 4 points make up the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The BoM teaches how this is to be done.
MrNirom 3 years ago
MrNirom so does the New Testament teach that. HELLO read the Bible!!!
And there is no historical record whatsoever about the poeple in the BoM...the only record is the BoM and nothing more. Also none of the American indians have any records about anything that happened in the BoM. There is no historical proof or evidence.
enemieznum1 3 years ago
Enemie: I am not sure what you are referring to when stating the New Testament teaches that. I have made many statements here. The Indians.. as well as the Mayans and others have this legend in their history of the Great White God that appeared to them. Legends are often history passed down orally. There is already sites that have been discovered in the Arabian Peninsula that fit very nicely with the record in the Book of Mormon. Does proof matter? NO if it did.. all would be Christian!
MrNirom 3 years ago
the bible teachs that too so why do we need another book to tell us the same thing??!!
mattalone 3 years ago
Matt: The Bible teaches what too?
MrNirom 3 years ago
it teachs how to be saved, it tells us about christ and what he did for us and through him we are saved and will be forgiven, that is the gospel. So I can't accept the B.O.M because Paul said not to accept "another" gospel got it??
mattalone 3 years ago
Matt: Wow.. do you know what the Book of Mormon teaches?
It teachs how to be saved, it tells us about Christ and what he did for us and through him we are saved and will be forgiven, that is the gospel.
MrNirom 3 years ago
The Book of Mormon teaches us many things that are not found in the bible.
The proper mode of Baptism and the proper sacrament prayers to name just two.
Have you even read it?
wilfordwoodruff 3 years ago
Wrong the B.O.M is a fraud, it never happened. Gal 1:6-9 tells us not to accept another gospel so By you accepting it you are condemned!!!
mattalone 3 years ago
Please tell me... just what is the Gospel?
MrNirom 3 years ago
the good news
wilfordwoodruff 3 years ago
Matt:
Same gospel different history.
Do you think God ignored this side of his world?
He said in John, Other sheep I have that are not of this fold.
He was speaking of the Americas.
wilfordwoodruff 3 years ago
So do mormons only believe in the BOM as far as it has been translated correctly...so far??
tezkingkong 3 years ago
ummm yea i totally agree with u?
yes they are one..but not as in trinity right? and yes moses 1:39 is right, thats the purpose..
:)
richeezy 3 years ago
god the father, jesus and the holy ghost are one u dummy..but 3 seperate beings..not 3 gods..but one god..so get ur facts right dummy
richeezy 3 years ago
richeezy: Actually.. no.. they are 3 distinct separate beings.. that have ONE very important purpose... to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life to man. They are so devoted to this ONE purpose.. that if you spoke to one.. it would be like speaking with them all. It would be hard to distinguish them apart because they are so connected in this mission. As they want us to be ONE with them.. as they are ONE with each other.. that is their desire.
MrNirom 3 years ago
more changes on the way,check out vid,Book of mormon gets changed more.
balqw 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
The problem with some people is they took what the prophet said.. out of context.. and then try to prove him wrong.
What he said was this:
I told the brethern that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth and man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts than by any other book.
He was talking about the principles of God. The teachings of our Lord were the most correct of any other book. It was not tainted by numerous translations like other books.
MrNirom 3 years ago
the real problem is that LDS follow a prophet that lived in a make-believe world, that he then wrote into the BoM
why would I read a novel to strengthen my faith? when I have the Bible, the only book that can instruct, correct, lead, reprove onto salvation? all the Apostles & Church Fathers agree
btw, hows those revisions going? my copy of the BoM is now out-dated, seems they edited out the "principle" ancestors part, over 3 thousand revisions, wonder when they'll stop? at 4 thousand?
Mexidonian 3 years ago
Mexidonian: Nothing wrong with revisions. It clarifies more to the understanding of man.
The Book of Mormon is an additional witness to the divinity of Jesus Christ. It testifies that Jesus is the Christ.. and there is another people who have a testimony of it. That God speaks to all men.. and tells all men to write. And by those writing.. all men will be judged according to their works and the writings they received.
What a merciful God!
MrNirom 3 years ago