D5600 Cold-start after piston change

[634524]

What engine does this have? Cummins or DT?

[rtzigga]

@634524 English Electric.

[634524]

@rtzigga sounds nice! lol

[MrSkodaman]

Must have amazingly tolerant neighbours!

[dieselchevette]

Don't tell Al Gore about this one...

[mikegotteri]

If it were possible - I would Marry the class 31s! ;-)

[Streamliner009]

4:12 gay pride flag??

[Badgersize]

send this video to Greenpeace! they should like it!!

[allenscott19832008]

@Badgersize f**k greenpeace

[Daschickenify]

@the14BIGFOOT carbon dioxide is nothing compared to methane, its all the cows.

[PhilBurtJPants]

do any of you fine people know is this is super charged?

i can kinda hear the whistle but still unsure... thanks

[TheBrett59]

@PhilBurtJPants Turbocharger x2

[john6218att]

hope they run it on vegetable oil and not diesel fuel at these prices

[gamr4fun]

Don't ever shut this off again!

[sertox12345]

have you seen the new way german trains hook up wow the new stuff

[ionsunteu]

when you see a loco coldstart video that's 10 minutes long, you know you've struck gold!

[MightyJustas]

NEEDS MORE BACON

[cmb271]

oh al gore looky looky

[mpedward2]

Ole' girl seems to be running good after a good warm up. being that old .. =)

[douro20]

This is not a Deltic. It is a Class 31, meaning English Electric 12SVT.

[Zontaar]

Nice vid!!! I just LOVE Deltic Clag!!!!! <3

Check out my new Deltic Song, I mention how those Emissions Testing guys can just Suck a deltic's Exhaust stack!!! :)

Keep those Deltics Running!!!!!

Zontaar

[namco21gamefreak]

@Zontaar Hey man it's Mike from Access how's you?

[Zontaar]

@namco21gamefreak

I am doing fine, but I might not be who you think I am!

This Zontaar is in Canada, not the UK, I wish the UK guy would put all his Zontar, the Napier luvin Alin vids back onto youtube!!!!  :)

[PhattyMo]

Any day now... good lord!

...ohh..it's about time!

[thamesbargeart]

Great video - many thanks

[the14BIGFOOT]

that is the sole cause of global warming lol

[drixdresspress]

Hammerhartes Video ,Klasse mitschnitt.Warum kann man bei uns so etwas nicht miterleben.

TOP*****

[TheJrfoia]

3:15 is the best

[douro20]

In England, mainline locomotives are treated as if they were aircraft. If the locomotive does not pass the FTR exam 100 percent it is not allowed to run, period.

[hihat101]

AIRFIX LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



[bjohn3421]

hey all of you jerks out there not you(warship) others i personally have a train right out my back door every day tracks too . they are putting ing a nother set of rails as of speaking conrail/ norfolk southern soon ill loose my only home i grew up in

im john bennett john's engine service in ny

[mekydro]

what a rancid pile of junk!

[matanuialive2010]

@mekydro you're a rancid pile of junk

[ASS3464]

Do theses things come with instruction manuals? If they do how thick are they?

[konzik]

absurda contaminacion

[TheRoobo]

Soviet loco M 62 starts right now .......

[choochinbigtime420]

suprised the fire department didnt show up.. lol (Y)

[CrisR964]

Al Gore pollutes more then this train does.

[stallonea8]

confused motor

[scorps59]

what the hell did you turn it over with

[Jabirupilot1]

@scorps59 I'm not 100% sure, but I know they don't use normal starter motors. I think there is a motor-type thing which turns by compressed air (which is the hiss you can sometimes hear on these trains when they start). An electric starter may not be suitable for this type of engine because of its size and probably the large amount of compression. Some aircraft engines (radials) use compressed air to turn them over, by simply opening a tap to let the air through.

[gizmo98550]

@Jabirupilot1 what they might have.. and "i could be wrong" but the generator doesnt that function as the "starter" ? drawing from the battery boxes?

[Jabirupilot1]

@gizmo98550 you are right. I did some research and one site tells me there are 3 methods of starting. Electric starter, as in a car, compressed air is pumped into the cylinders until it reaches enough speed to start ignition, or some older trains with dc generators, used the generator to turn the engine over, drawing from the battery, as you said. So, I was wrong - electric starters can be used, but i guess they hav to be made to suite the high compression

[gizmo98550]

@Jabirupilot1 wow.. im not right very often.. but it wasnt said to shoot you down sir.. i didnt hear the normal wurr wurr wurr of a regular starter.. or air.. so i just made the assumption it was the generator being used to roll the engine over

[Jabirupilot1]

@gizmo98550 Its ok, I didn't feel shot down at all, i was actually curious after reading your question, how trains actually start up, so I now know something random... :/ Yea, maybe this train uses a generatro, but I'v looked at heaps of other diesel trains and I think I can guess that those particular ones pump air into the cylinders. So, they're all different. Hope I have helped. Also, no need to call me sir, just to let you know I'm only 16 years old :D

[gizmo98550]

@Jabirupilot1 lol eh.. get used to it.. being that smart lil man.. you're going to hear that often! props to you for being a smart fella.. and not some pot smoking crap talking little puke that everyone wants to slap lol anyhow.. good day to you. SIR!!! :P

[Jabirupilot1]

@gizmo98550 haha, nah not smart (even though ppl think I am) :P, just curious, and know how to use the net wen i want to find something... lol, hope I'v helped. Good day to you also :D

[tpvalley]

@gizmo98550

this DOES use the generator as a starter.

[tpvalley]

@Jabirupilot1

u find seperate electric starters on alternator fitted locos.

Ive never seen a loco with air start, plenty of trucks etc though using seperate air starter motors or ships using air as u described.

[tonysalsa100]

WOW FUCK THE AIR UP WITH ALL THAT SMOKE PLANET IS FUCKED

[tomlestrange2]

al gore just saw this and shot himself.

[monkeynuts530]

I want to shoot a flaming arrow through the atomized fuel. ;)

[Dokker62]

Good to know one piston is already changed. The next badly damage won´t take long considering the engines of sheltered historic locos apparently are always cranked up ice cold in England. Seems to be a british fad tormenting their finest machines.

[glennfs1954]

The engines in these loco`s are nearly fifty years old now and they`re usually knackered by th time the preservation societys get them and they have to run them on a shoestring. I worked at Finsbury Park TMD and they never gave out that smoke unless there was a serious problem which was usually followed by expensive repairs or an even more expensive trip to Doncaster works.

All credit to the societies for keeping these lovley old machines going

[rayflute]

Love that 'northern' laugh at 3:17! ;)

[bonzo874]

stewpid !!

[heightsgreen]

And they replaced steam with these LOL !

[randommagnum]

Jolly good show!

[BROADTRAIN1979]

MORE LIKE THE SMOKE PARTY EXCELLENT!!!

[Polybun]

It's a damn shame the person that shot this doesn't know jack shit about how to use the camera. It's under exposed, shakey and has shit sound.

[tombaker1222]

@Polybun What were you expecting, Spielberg?

[bradfordlad9999]

love to start that in broris jonsons office

[westexpipeliner]

someone please put it out of it's misery

[mikegotteri]

Nice Gay Pride flag at 4:12 - CLASSIC ENGLISH ELECTRIC CLASS 31 NOISE & CLAG!!!!

[bonobo2go]

Love the Gay Pride flag at 4:12

[ILIGANO]

My favorite part of going to Briton is the wonderful trains! This video was really great, and I never knew about the working of these trains, thanks!

[supershrek99]

is that a pride flag hanging over the canopy?

[seba7575]

para mi es disel

[msmith4000]

Excellent video thanx for sharing, born in the mid 70's I was luck to bear witness to English Electric action, regulalry, and to witness one of these deisels come thundering, full hellfire, through your station for the first time in your life when you are very young you can not fail to be impressed, in awe (and somewhat intimidated.) This clip reminds me of that day, I will miss them when they are all finally taken from front line duty. Long live the british rail class diesels . . .

[tuner562]

needs more coal!

[idejRetsam]

@tuner562 AYE MOAR COAL!!!!

[seba7575]

y un mes despues parten a destino jajajaja

[seba7575]

e mierda es una maquina de sacar humo

[sabalito619]

@seba7575 Es vapor -.-

[izzynutz2000]

Clag is oil smoke When the cyl gets hot but not enough to burn Its like diesel steam or hot oil smoke

[mrfirewolf]

sorry for being a stupid american... but... what does Clag mean?? sorry..

[bonzo874]

@mrfirewolf unburnt diesel expelled thru the tailpipe lol

[Hotrodx199]

i bet a piston for these weights like 500 pounds.

[RedDemonSRT4]

Is it sad that I sat here grinning through the whole 10 minutes?

[togreektown]

All I can say about the start up is they are not cold weather diesel engines and they are not or were not very great engines like we have today.

I remember woriking on the railway here in Toronto in the winter.

CNR bought about 15 trucks for pick up and delivery and every one had a perkins engine from the UK.

Not one of them would start up in the winter! they were a well I won't say the words but they were not very good engines and the CN sure got rid of them fast. but things got better

[Hanglands]

A Goyle living up to its name... I hope nobody was on parade at that TA centre in the background! Gas Gas Gas!

[1339LARS]

HOLY SMOKE!!

[joha77johaa]

please who can explain me, why the britan-diesel-engins after start-up are working frequently in load-idle-load-idle.??

in germany it is unable.

greetings from an engineer

[deville69btk]

it´s govener rolling, when its cold the govenor is slow to react to the changig rpm of the engine and he engine starts to loop

[joha77johaa]

many thanks to you, in germany this is completely unknown.

greetings from berlin

[joha77johaa]

this is the reason, why the air in middle europe is sooo bad....the wind comes from west..from old uk.....:-DDDDD

[joha77johaa]

hey, the britains are calling this "fresh air"?

:-DDD

[tlfrantz1]

I just love the smoke!! I hope Al Gore sees this video! Go Brits go!!

[lonelywolf1966]

fantastic!!! brings back memories of crewe station when i was young thanks!!!!

[teamwounder]

would it be good for your health to inhale the thick smoke deeply into your lungs?

[xxlilxxcheadlexx]

prolly

[ionsunteu]

@teamwounder probably not, but it smells great

[BreathDoctor]

Love them gallopin Horses !!!!!

[Hinnerk16]

How many pistons have been exchanged? In case that all of em were replaced, I'd think that the fuel injection lines weren't airbleed properly. I can't imagine, that an engineer - espacially back in the 50th - would have built such a machine with this bad starting behaviour for normal... :? I know a Massey Ferguson with perkins diesel, for example, with no preheat or preglow at all, that starts immediatly, even at -19°C, without smoke worth to be mentioned.

[mikegotteri]

I LOVE English electrics - they are THE best Locos and I spent my entire youth Bashing them ALL. Many happy memories from this vid and the sounds. :-) Thanks for the upload. I 'classed' the 31s and the 50s back in 89!! Xx

[TheStubbleking]

An American Electromotive starts after the starter spins four seconds!! Pity!

[Eccles71B]

Wouldn't know about that, all except the first five EMDs in Britain are Canadian or Spanish.

[TheStubbleking]

I didn't mean to be disrespectful to British technology. I'm Canadian, I was a British subject until the new Constitution of 1982 screwed that up. (We were better off before!) I just think that the mechanics must have messed up somehow. Starting fluid (Ether) should solve that excess smoke! I feel bad for the people who live on the fourth floor next door!

[Murph9000]

This is an old 1950s-tech low-speed diesel - it simply is not designed to run cold, and that's not a design fault for that era, as long as it can still start. Once it's up to temperature it will run sweet and clean. Before that, it doesn't matter. Starting fluid just stresses the engine needlessly, and pre-heating adds equipment that is not required for normal running. Cold start mega-clag is simply part of the heritage of these beautiful old machines, from a time where emissions didn't count.

[bassbone1785]

Somehow I think the amount of either necessary to start that big of a motor would be way too much to be worth it. You would be talking gallons and gallons of the stuff, and as soon as the motor turned over for a few seconds, it would be burned off and you still would have a cold motor.

[TheStubbleking]

Hi! I'm not unfamilar with British Diesel engines. In had Perkins engines in farm equipment. Ether gets the engine spinning at normal idle speeds just a few seconds after it starts. Ether is highly volatile, a 400 cu. in engine requires less than an ounce. The safest however is an electric block heater. Here in Canada whenever they park a locomotive, they keep the block heated to about 40° C. Instant starting, little smoke.

[sae1080]

I'll bet the neighbors luv all the smoke......

[wilf1969]

Youve got no load , 90% on a load bank would have her screaming with no clag , and thats after 5 minutes.

[atreewithnolife]

give it a shot of easy start ! had a concrete mixer like like that once !

[joha77johaa]

I am 25 years a railroader in old Germany. I NEVER senn this before! :-)

But: Veery nice vid!

[dodgeramb59]

I agree... ex railroader here in the United states. The governor uses engine oil in this design... so until the oil warms up... the fuel rack is going to hunt like crazy.

[myfordescort]

@dodgeramb59

And boy do they really hunt when the temp gets below 10 degree's lol.

[george911751]

I had seen once this. in Czech republic. With Czech Loco T466.0 (class 735) it uses French non-preheated? engine Pielstick

12 PA4 V-185

[genkata1]

yes the engine is really cold judjing by the smokes. And heating the water is the thing that in every country should be done (y)

[joha77johaa]

Is the engine really COLD?? In Germany we are heating the coolwater above 60 Celsius and THEN we are starting the engine!

[WBDE]

What is clag?

Is someone back in the carbody working the layshaft during startup?

[scorpia12345]

clag is our birtish slang, for smoke from the exhast

[bryan70546]

rolling coal hell yes

[Xx69roadrunnerxX]

Excellent vid! Great work guys! Diesel engine are amazing. I love listening to one start in cold weather and blowing smoke (called Clag in the U.K. right?).

Diesel in the morings the best smell!!

[TheTomyossarian]

watcha wanna bet Al Gore shits has a hissy fit every time he watches this

[driver64]

@TheTomyossarian no,simply the rest of the non briton world say " luckily we dont' depend on English technology"

[kyberforce]

@driver64 apart from when we saved their sorry arses in ww2

[ZenonDorinPower]

wtf that thing makes heavy clag even when runing normaly

[StickMechanic]

TAKE THAT AL GORE!!!! lol

[epicfailzone]

That's just like my mark 3 Vw Golf every morning LOL

[rapplclon]

Isn't that a great sound? remindes me at those lanz bulldogs

[Petermax99]

Well done guys enjoyed the video

[BamaRailfan]

So are you, if you use ANY modern products!

[theendcredits]

i dont care if you billow out black clouds of ridiculous shit into the air.. be my guest

[BamaRailfan]

Woah..getting personal there.. I simply meant that many modern products are delivered by rail meaning that you, as a consumer, are a contributing factor here. In fact the computer you are on, debating with me, likely was delivered by rail at some point...At the very least a ship using similar, yet larger engines.

[hazmat440]

the little engine that could

[4vep]

as a diesel fitter on br for a good few years hes testing each cylinder by overfuelling it on each fuel pump as each piston has its own pump

chris

[TheLaurencekid]

its not a cat its a english electric v12 diesel

[yambo59]

Man thats a real hammer-thon!! Something tells me there was a cylinder balance issue-lol Reminds of working on some english cars-- theyre almost never quite right without a complete overhaul. So was it a problem with one bank of cylindeers, or one or what-??

[dognz75]

must be a CAT

[robertgift]

Interesting video!

Thank you for informing when the 1st cylinder began firing.

At what point did the engine continue on its own without electric turnover?

What was they technician doing?

Wish you would explain details.

Thank you.

RWG Denver, Colorado USA

[badbob1983]

at 4.47 they were checking the horns. the high note needs lubricating.

at 5.35 he's testing each cylinder. i'm not exactly sure how.

at 6.58 he's testing the brake pressures i think.

7.52 is self explanatory.

[robertgift]

Thanks, Bob.

When did they stop applying motor power to turn the engine over?

When three or more cylinders were firing?

Don't they have knuckle couplers as American railroads have?

[TheStevie65]

Will this Loco be used to Ferry Gordon Brown up and down the country during the forth coming Election Campaign??

[nltrucker3517]

to bad my truck doesnt smoke like that. damn! thats a truckers dream!

[popplewort333]

Sound like it needs some ARP rod bolts.

Maybe a cement truck load of Lucas oil treatment ?

[scorpia12345]

bet the houses/business loved it in the background lol

[rayflute]

Fuck the Green Party! ;)

[patrickjameson]

That loco could transport over 600 people... far more efficient than any car or bus!

[jap2ace]

bet that smells great :)

[bonzo874]

0.54 "Stupieed " !!!

[kanotila]

never start the old locomotive in a garage lol

[burghill1979]

gardner engines smoke like this when cold too. my dad used to drive bristol RE's Aec 's Bristol MW's and leyland leopards. i love the sound of any EE engine, cold start or on full bore!

I have seen a vid with a hymec cold starting and i know how smokey maybach engines are.

long live british diesels

[45x45bw]

as David Rock would say "dont tell Al Goore about this one"

[Metalmachinecrush]

Reminds me of the Hymac 580c i drove about 22 years ago,...lol

[30GB]

god! wtf? you got train engine fetish? O_o

[predatortheme]

THIS GUY IS SICK o.o

[James45407]

Guys... I do still make vids, no longer under 'warship', my new account is 'James45407'. Regards

[cd1306]

Great sound man! I love this machines!

[RichardSwayne]

Bloody Zontar!

[chuppa1chups]

It must be from the rings not being worn-in yet. No hearing protection for the guy checking the cylinders?!

[anthonydarl]

yes chuppa today it is standard of employment

[heartbeat1965]

Surely BR can't possibly claim that steam is more polluting than that!!

[salemcripple]

it depends on what you're burning in the fire box. Coal? Most defiantly more polluting. Natural gas, not so much. But with modern technology (at least when it comes to cars), the gasses coming out of the tail pipe, are actually LESS toxic than the air in some heavily polluted citys. Most of the reason why this is so smoky is because it's a cold day (diesels don't like cold starts), and the fact that it was just re-built, so there is probably some bugs still left in the system.

[litllesoldier92]

how many pistons did you change?

[PistolPete2]

A waste of time and creation of lots of pollution. Should have just used a shot of ether.

[Koseiko2008]

Locomotives on Br should be ELECTRIC (straight electric with pantograph and catenary system) the diesels belong in maritime and emergency electrical production only! The Continent has pursued electrification, why the BR only to a small limited degree?

[choirboyfromhell1]

Remember, electricity's got to be generated somewhere....and unless you live in France, it's coming from carbon burning.

[salemcripple]

France, or Oregon. 90% of our power comes from hydro electric, and other renewable sources.

[spencnaz]

Is this a Deltic? I've never seen a Deltic start that badly before.

[73129Dude]

No, this is a class 31

[chockrock69]

diesel to steam lol chug chug chug

[Sahalaita]

I must be mad but i just love heavy diesel engines. :D

[inngglstoodt]

sweet jesus

[fastkay777]

fantastic - takes me back to the 70's and 80's - before the faceless railways we have today

[Shalinar45]

Sounds a lot like an ALCO.

[kav442s5]

EE's are shit compared to ALCo and GM-EMD's

[bronzeonion]

shit if there for proper use like tryin to start it up on a cold morning but are hellfire when they trash

[choirboyfromhell1]

I don't know...Alco's don't breath well (hence their smoking), along with camshaft spalling, GE's have had problems with their one piece liner/head assemblies and you've got to watch components on EMD's (flywheel cracking in marine applications). They all have their bad/good days.