Crowley sold the OTO to me as the "first of the Old Aeon Orders to embrace the Law of Thelema." This is a lie, and when I discovered it was a lie, I left the Order (I was a KEW and ordained Priest). The Lover's Triad demands a blood oath of absolute obedience to Baphomet. A fucking BLOOD OATH! The OTO is a testament to a dead Brit's ego, nothing more.
Aleister Crowley, the self appointed "Most Evil Man In The World" was a member and they are an occult fraternal religious organisation, isn't that enough for to condemn them ?
The Freemasons are the same and so are the religions. At the top they are evil and corrupt while the majority are moderate but that doesn't absolve them, they should know what their organisations 'REALLY' stand for. Moderates give fundamentalists and those at the top with the evil intent protection.
@TelecasterLPGTop Crowley never "self appointed" himself as "The most Wickedest man in the world" (you've misquoted it). This title was given to him by the yellow press. No, it isn't "enough to condemn them" as you are ignorant about the OTO and the basic usage of English grammar.
I agree, When you mentioned the hype of drugs and that I said exactly what you did before it came threw the speaks. When that happens you know its obvious! The Order probably has done more for Thelema, hence why they will get trashed now and then. The sad thing is, what you said about interference and wanting to dictate policy, that sort of "thing" defeats the purpose of meaning altogether. I won't say much more than if anything, the absence of this "stuff" is what makes it all unique&special 93
If you look on the OTO official page and review the finances you can see the the Outer Head of the Order makes 7 % below the poverty line. All our dues (which really aren't much) go straight to the lodges and are put into events and mass. Nobody is "getting rich" off Thelema.
@denullifier hmm well noone rules the occult dimension and nobody in the OTO follows Crowley's lifestyle so I really don't know what you're talking about.
You are right. It is not by any means a wealthy organization. Which is why every penny is spent as efficiently as possible and there is full transparency about revenue and spending.
This Typhonian interpretation strikes me as rather mundane, since the lodge is important for the work and cultivating the master-apprentice relationship.
@angrynhpatriot Funny, I'll give you that. But obviously you do not understand what Will is. Stop wallowing in ignorance and please do not distort the laws.
i was particularly interested in the "Templars of the Orient" until i came across some information that i cant say is wholly true but was most definitely perverse, vile, and disgusting.
and please "thelemites" dont start cursing me or blaring about how wrong i am. as i said i am not validating this information just pointing it out. so dont start pming me bullshit. it will be gladly dematerialized.
Well, you haven't really pointed anything out at all. What exactly did you find? Where? There is MUCH misinformation to be found, that is for damn sure.
I can feel the difference it has already begun to make in my life, just by giving myself fully to the work without the 'lust for results'. More people need to focus on finding their True Will and stop concerning themselves with another's. Every man and every woman is a star. We each have our own orbits or paths, and like stars we should concern ourselves only with OUR path, not another's, lest we stray from our True Will.
I encourage everyone to form their own opinions through study.
93! Thank you so much for putting out all this information showing how beautiful and empowering the work of the O.T.O. is. No, they are not there to hold anyone's hand or hand out degrees. They must be earned and only through study and practice and discipline can one attain that advancement. There is no instant gratification to be had, which so many people expect these days and it truly saddens me. I have only just begun to regularly practice things such as Liber Resh and the LBRP and (cont)
and i will be joining, now that theres finally a lodge in somewhat reasonable distance. 50 miles is quite a distance but gotta do what ya gotta do. just waitin to get off this bullshit house arrest first
i was referring to to everyones comments about expecting the order to hold their hand and give them the title.i know that's not what happens. i know u have to do the work yourself. that's the only way it works. hence why i said i can do the work myself. and unique eccentrics is pretty much what i meant by like minded. tho from the people i been talking to there seems to be a lot more like-mindedness between us than just that.
All you guys care about is the stupid title. It's the work that matters. Call me "Captain Dick Face" for all I care. I would just enjoy the company of like minded individuals. I'll do the work on my own, I don't need a daddy holding my hand and giving me a special name
You obviously don't have a clue what the order is about.No-one holds your hand, or gives you a name. You are to do the work on your own if it is your Will to do so. There are no "tests" or rituals you are "expected" to perform. No dogma you are expected to adhere to other than the acceptance of Liber AL vel Legis. If you are looking for "like minded individuals" then you are out of luck. But if you want non-like-minded individual, who allow each other their own unique eccentricities, we're here.
@joeb1963 You sir, are an idiot. A sheep who believes the lies fed to them by the media. If you had actually read about the Order and its rituals at all you would understand that its purpose is to spread the world of Thelema. Thelemites seek to unite themselves with the ultimate divine source and do their True Will as given to them by this ultimate entity that we can only know in parts. I hope that one day you stop being a lemming and realize how you're being strung along.
its sad to see the way some of the new comers are treated by o.t.o.leaders at the lodge like sekhet basta ra Oklahoma what i have seen is a Peking order like none iv seen back in the day if Crowley was a round he would have this body brunt to the ground on lost understandings of the teachings being a oid fool from the day all i can say is dame these kids these days. how could it go so wrong so quick.t
If you read Bishop T Allen Greenfield's "Statement regarding the O.T.O.",you will soon realize that the OTO has failed to initiate enough people in the higher degrees of the Order!There are plenty of people in the Man of Earth triad of degrees, but, not enough people in the high degrees! The OTO ,over the last 30 years has "failed to initiate" enough people to make it's growth rate robust and healthy!
@ashima352 While I am not a part of the order, it is my understanding that those seeking to advance in grade must request to do so and then be reviewed for it. So, the ball really is in the court of the initiate, and if that initiate really is not applying themselves to their Great Work then it will be very obvious I feel. I know that when I am practicing regularly that I feel a major difference in my life and others see it. I think that goes for anyone.
I just applied to join the OTO. I think Aleister Crowley may be one of the most misunderstood people in history, his ideas inspire great admiration in many free thinkers still... including me :-)
".. It is a Sorry state of affairs when OTO is incapable of producing a single Adeptus Exemptus in over 60 years, though one doth posit if any were produced in the first place, asside from the assanine pretentious narcisistic posturings of moraly bankrupt and ethically ambiguous charlatans.." And this is comming from a former member, raises some interesting questions.
@DARTHMOBIUS In my opinion, the comment demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of the whole purpose of the OTO. OTO doesn't create Adeptus Exempti... Similarly, it doesn't accept probationers or initiate Neophytes. That is the territory of the A.'.A.'. I guess the person who wrote that doesn't know much about the matter, and my guess would be that they are just another disgruntled person who didn't fit in in OTO. Probably due to an inability to allow others to live as they will.
@ozzzz156, Interesting responce, ritual work is a process of getting from A to B, and so forth it's been implied that OTO follows A to B paradigm akin to what you would find with many other 'Systems' ; A traditional song structure, intro verse bridge chorus verse two bridge chorus outro, unless your suggesting a sort of Chaos Magician paradigm which follows freeform and do what ever the hell it takes to get from A to Z using numbers 3 & 4?
@DARTHMOBIUS I think you are missing my point. Which is this: OTO is a fraternal Order. It does not claim to Produce Adepts. Its primary function is to promulgate the Law of Thelema. Those who seek spiritual attainment MUST do so on their own. The Order is much more about Thelemic society and promulgation than it is about ritual magick. Besides, how would you or anyone else know how many Adepts are OTO members? Or better yet, how would you even identify such individuals? You wouldn't.
@ozzzz156 One posseses a perspective of your point, I refer to the point of 'implied' as One being acqainted with a former member who expressed their opinions, of cause we can speculate/scry for answers on just how many are OTO or deploy those of The Black Hat variety to datamine statistics on it, One understands that with each successive generation there are "New" takes on what deffinitively matters, as after all is it not all a '..State of Mine.." ?
A well put explanation of what should be an obvious fact! I'll add that it is a misnomer to say that it is the duty of any order, including A.'. A.'., to "produce" persons of any certain grade-- it is YOUR work that produces the attainment, it is NOT the responsibility of a group to bestow an attainment on you. You can't throw a term like Adeptus Exemptus around as if it's someone else's responsibility-- this cheapens the Work, and it antithetical to what real initiation is.
A well put explanation of what should be an obvious fact! I'll add that it is a misnomer to say that it is the duty of any order, including A.'. A.'., to "produce" persons of any certain grade-- it is YOUR work that produces the attainment, it is NOT the responsibility of a group to bestow an attainment on you. You can't throw a term like Adeptus Exemptus around as if it's someone else's responsibility-- this cheapens the Work, and it antithetical to what real initiation is.
A well put explanation of what should be an obvious fact! I'll add that it is a misnomer to say that it is the duty of any order, including A.'. A.'., to "produce" persons of any certain grade-- it is YOUR work that produces the attainment, it is NOT the responsibility of a group to bestow an attainment on you. You can't throw a term like Adeptus Exemptus around as if it's someone else's responsibility-- this cheapens the Work, and it is antithetical to what real initiation is.
A well put explanation of what should be an obvious fact! I'll add that it is a misnomer to say that it is the duty of any order, including A.'. A.'., to "produce" persons of any certain grade-- it is YOUR work that produces the attainment, it is NOT the responsibility of a group to bestow an attainment on you. You can't throw a term like Adeptus Exemptus around as if it's someone else's responsibility-- this cheapens the Work, and it antithetical to what real initiation is.
also i may be an agnostic and do agree with the theories of free will and love but it still came from the mystery babylon schools, the same type of paganism that the nazis believed in, They called them S.S for a reason...
I'm a "conspiracy theorist" and my research into the occult symbols i've been seeing in Jay Z , Kanye West , Rihanna, and Lady Gaga videos and music has sent me lead me to the O.T.O. Also the Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut sent got me curious as well.
To me the symbolism does not lie at all , so if O.T.O is so small then how come i see jay z throwing up the "pyramid" , Kanye wearing a giant Horus pendant ,Rihanna's eye painted like the eye of Horus on her album cover? there's wayy too may examples.
@papacap727 The O.T.O. and its dogma's are vicarious of these ancient symbols and their meanings. Are you really implying that the pyramids of Egypt and he God Horus are somehow exclusive to this order? The all-seeing eye/eye of Ra is everywhere. Ancient mysticism and pseudo-science appeal to ego-maniacs, in that they pretend to offer esoteric knowledge.
I resigned from the OTO after my wife was sexually assaulted by an initiator and the Order did nothing but slap him on the wrist. Women are not treated well in the order. There is a "good ol' boys" network and back-stabbing politics are regularly played.
The order needs to reach out to its disaffected members to right past wrongs. Feel free to contact me.
@KDavis418 I DO have to say, however, that I met a lot of good people when I joined, many of whom I still maintain contact with. It's "Order policy" and the leadership that seems to be the problem: Many GL members are exceptionally arrogant, and there is a tendency to equate OTO degrees with spiritual attainment: Something AC said in many places was simply NOT true!
the OTO members are the families in your city killing there kids throwing them in the river after rituals and shit. The guy who created abortions is a OTO member
@ih8pyramids LOL silly biggoted christian. Its the people like you that drive people away from christ. His message lost a long time ago. Open your eyes
Is "promulgating" the law actually a part of the Great Work? I was under the impression that your Orders are extremely secret groups who let members in only after they have been given a personal recommendation from someone who is already inside the order. This is how the Rosicrucian Orders operate. I get the feeling you are an outsider.
@otonanoC A simple email to the Querent Secretary is enough to get the membership ball rolling within the OTO. As for Rosicrucian's, AMORC for example, provide an application pack via their website(however i get the distinct impression from your comment that you are a Rosicrucian, and belong to a closed door group?)There is nothing secret about it, however inside teachings are reserved for persons who's motivations for study and practice are honourable,
That will being the expression of one's self, and a genuine want to better the great work, by hopefully instigating change within the orgonization. Censorship of members views is the job of mainstream religion, not of the OTO. Everyones view should matter.
I feel the OTO should be offering a 'go to' bookshop for Thelemites, accessible from the main website. If i were Christian there wouldnt be a problem sourcing the texts i needed to practice, as they would provide them or a sure way of sourcing them. You talk about how its the orders job to 'get the law out there and attract new members', but if they make no effort to provide the texts needed to do that then....Also expressing ones views on the OTO is thelemic, its an exercising of ones will
@ahenderson666 If the OTO REALLY wanted to spread the Law of Thelema then they'd produce free ebook versions of all the out-of-print books for serious students...guess that $ is more important.
for god's people out there whom might be a little lost. and are trying to find other ways. please please do not buy into the devil's work. he is the king of lies and the most beautiful thing our eyes can see . he will deceive you by using certain word choices. but do not ignore the KEY words. pay attention. my blessings are with you. and with the O.T.O. for i believe god will show no mercy on them. PRAY FOR THOSE WHO ARE POWERFUL AND WHOM BECOME POWER LEADERS. for they are evil.
y y do u believe in this paganistic crap baphomet is not the one whos going to save at the end of the world satanism is not the path u should take friend may jesus clean ur soul
@richradful What an idiot.'satan, baphomet' do you even know what thelema is? That rant is better aimed at Theistic Satanists, not Thelemites. Thats why no one takes you people seriously, you go around shoving your view down peoples throats with this pre conceived idea of what they believe. Take a look at your own life, and the hypocrisy of your belifes before you spread your bigotry.
Shh..The whole idea is for it to shrink. At least appear to shrink. Maybe people no longer need that structure or vice versa. SSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHH...If I was face to face with you right now I'd be doing the sign of banishing.
The OTO was good to me also, and I have much respect for them! As for the books, Crowley's books sell like crazy; I was a bookseller for 5 years and every time his books came in they would be gone within a week. I lave lost many friends for the sole reason that I study Crowley seriously, and I find that most people just do not read his books with an open mind, and most of them get their idea from hearsay that he was evil ect... Keep up the Great Work brother!
If you believe that then I have a Bridge in London I'll sell you for just 1000 dollars! OTO is stronger than it has ever been. The Body I belong to just signed a lease on our new 1000sf temple. Don't be a dummy.
Thank you for this video. I have been exploring Thelema and the OTO on my own, and am considering whether to become a Minerval. While I am still formulating my personal takes, I can say this - I am so glad I chose to QUIT listening to random shit people write on the Internet, and actually connected with some lodge members face to face. This video is very real.
One thing I should say: Crowley said that socialization between members is a bad thing outside of a specific necessity when the Work of two members becomes inter-related. He basically said that idle human social interaction was one of the greatest poisons, and that it begins with superficial judgments and quickly becomes moral judgments. So I don't think promoting the O.T.O. as a social order is very fair or accurate to the purpose for which the order was established. No, I am not a member.
Crowley said this, yes. In reference to the A.'.A.'. work. Yet he was also VERY adament that O.T.O. was a very important aspect of the greater work of bringing the Aeon of Horus into full swing. He very clearly made a distinct separation between the personal work of the individual and the collective work of thelemic culture. It is a very important distinction to make. Your path to the Light is YOUR OWN. But this is not to be taken as meaning that society and culture is to be ignored or rejected.
My only problem with the OTO is that "upper management" decided at some point to turn it into yet another leftist-flavored CIA front without telling anyone. Had I ever desired to become involved with such an operation, I was fully capable of doing so under my own steam. Also, the viagra spam has to stop. It's childish and only makes the situation worse. Plus, my spam filter just soaks it up, so the only real magickal effect is to brutally p--- me off even more than I already am.
@ozzzz156 No more insane than believing in Magick lolz. Insane or not, it got somebody's attention. The Viagra spam those douches were sending me stopped shortly after that. Fact is, ranking Order members brazenly admitted to me IN EMAILS THAT I KEPT that OTO had become like the Students for a Democratic Society back in the 60's, a BS leftist flavored CIA front. I'm sorry, but having somebody's BS politics shoved down my throat was NOT what I joined OTO for.
They're so used to dealing with things on the level of perception management that they were completely unprepared for what I did and they capitulated to me, utterly. They had no choice. I want you all to remember that when I went to the Order's hierarchy for help, they told me "Whatever happens is fair." Which is exactly and precisely the wrong thing to tell someone with my background. I doubt very much they will be bothering me again. MUAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
WOW, The thumbs up to down ratio is quite telling. I guess that means Spiritual Paranoia is in decline. That is quite refreshing.
This was a great post . Thanks for that.
I believe Crowley contributed much to spiritual studies and magick. I also believe he is a study in why spirituality and heroin, cocaine, etc, ought to be mutually exclusive. That's just my perspective. I would never preach. Peace to you.
Good video oz, upcoming minerval here myself. I've recieved criticism from even my own friends in regard to my involvement with the order. You defend the OTO well. It is indeed about the promulgation of the law, and a source of community for fellow occultists. These are what my sponsors told me from the get-go. 93 Brother
people need to understand that when there is "bashing" towards a group, it does not mean every single individual person is conspiring to do evil. Read Albert Pikes Morals and Dogma of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry or Aleister Crowley's(the founder of the OTO) book Magick, they are both of the highest public degree of freemasonry which the OTO was originated upon, along with Rosicrucian and Illuminist organizations. Both of them discuss how only the higher ranking individuals are the only ones
OTO is fucking evil and insane. You should feel bad for making this video and promoting this shit. I like that you are promoting rape, phedopihilia, murder and slaver to mention a few things.
Dude, you are an idiot. The OTO isn't about any of those things. Those are all acts of extreme restriction of individual liberty, and are diametrically opposed to the whole Philosophy of Thelema. But of course, if you are so impressionable as to just believe anything any religious zealot with an internet connection chooses to type, you can. But that doesn't make it true. Now go back to what ever rock you crawled out from under. Your lies are not welcome here.
@ozzzz156 I second that Oz. The OTO is not anything about rape, murder, and phedophillia. This Illuminati craze going around the internet is getting ridiculous. Thanks to Alex Jones, Jordan Maxwell, David (Reptillian) Icke and some fucking COOKYS out there that did a little research. I did my own research and the OTO is not the problem, they are actually saints compared to some real threats. and folks. THERE IS NO ILLUMINATI. That died centuries ago. Religion is the closest thing to Illuminati
crowley was a mason first and he designed his own system later that is rigidly base on masonry in structure only the content is different, i am a 33degree mason who has read crowleys books way before i became a mason.
Alas, Verily Frater your words are truly reflect those of Master Therion. Just to add a simple comment some Thelemates are very successful indviduals, these indviduals have shaped how people regard the occult in general. As far as drugs and parties are concerned "Do what thou wilt" others may simply choose to not to, it is sad that Thelemites are stampled as drug addicts or party mongers because this is not the truth.
ww(dot)oto-usa(dot)org... click on the link that says "dues and fees". Google is your friend. Above and beyond that, every local body has their own way of meeting their needs as a body. Some have higher local dues than others. You should check with your local body. You can find the closest one by clicking the "Local Bodies" link on the USGL page.
I would say that OTO in and of itself is not. But E.G.C. is, and it is an inseparable part of OTO. You could, in theory, get the OTO initiations and not participate in E.G.C., but I don't think you would get the same benefit from it. Others might disagree. There are those who argue that Thelema is not at all religious, but rather a philosophy, and I can see that as well. So I suppose it really depends where you are coming from on a personal level. SRY... I know that is probably confusing.
jesus would not think any thing about the bible because he was ''the sun''an allegory just as many you should know this.read litteral the bible is monstorous
These people that follow Crowley and his dogma make me sick. The near deification of a man who prided himself on ritualistic murder and sexual vampirism of young male children is repulsive. You people are reprobates for wanting to glorify this man and his demonic teachings. The day is fast approaching when you and your ilk (the mystery school affiliates) will have your grip of power on this world broken. You better repent and find the real truth behind the Bible.
"ritualistic murder and sexual vampirism of young male children" This is 100% NOT true, and you are a mindless slave if you believe it... Check your facts. Do YOUR Will, and stop whining about the fact that others are doing theirs. Spread your lies and misinformation somewhere else.
What is not true about what I said. The man wrote in his books about ritual sacrifice. He bragged openly about being the most wicked man in the world. And you people choose to glorify this man and follow his teachings, like it was something to look up to? Do your will = Follow the wicked imaginations of your own heart.
The "light" you seek " from your ascended masters" is only going to lead you into darkness.
Crowley did NOT advocate "Ritualistic Murder" that is not true. Crowley did not advocate Sacrifice. In fact in Liber Tzaddi it is clear that "I ask you to sacrifice nothing upon my altar. I am the god that giveth all." This constant BS people spout about Crowley sacrificing children and much of the other nonsense is just propaganda generated by the media of his day, which was very similar to the tabloids of our day.
He wasn't perfect, I'll give you that. But see, Thelemites don't need him to be. His failures are only proof of our own ability to proceed toward enlightenment despite our own failings. We don't worship the man. That's what you people don't seem to understand. He was just a man, with short-comings like every other. But yet HE was chosen to convey this message to the world despite that. And this is so IMO precisely because of his successes AND his failures.
What about in his book Magic: In theory and practice? He most certainly talked about ritual sacrifice, and described the necessaries for it in vivid detail. In that quote you provided, is that not him declaring himself to be a god. Also, your premise of "chosen" - one must ask themselves what type of entity would choose the most wicked and perverse man in the earth to spread a doctrine?
Yes he did. But you misunderstand him greatly. I'm not sure if you are even capable of understanding the chapter due to your bias. Please note the LAST sentence of the chapter: "You are likely to get into trouble over this chapter unless you truly comprehend its meaning." Indeed he was declaring his God-hood, as he also bids you to declare yours, and behave accordingly. Why choose him? Because he personifies the fact that the Old Aeon morality is no longer lawful in the Aeon of Horus.
First off, what possible good could ever come from sacrificing an innocent child? Now, please explain to me how any man could possibly declare god-hood on this earth, given we are all appointed a date w/ death? And are you relating that the complete destruction of the moral paradigm, given way to absolute selfish lawlessness is going to be a good thing for this world? Considering the way most people act today, according your new law?
"Innocent Chile" refers to sperm, or perhaps a mixture of male and female seminal fluids. The energy released at the moment of orgasm is a powerful one. Your perception of "Death" is very limited. "Death is forbidden, o man, unto thee." Al 2:73 No. Thelema is a Law of Discipline. Not anarchy. Please watch my video "The Message of the Master Therion. Most people do not act in accordance with the Law. That is the problem with the world.
The term "Sacrifice an innocent child" is talking about sex without conception. Not a literal sacrifice. You just don't speak Crowley... It's ok, most people don't. You have to understand both the period he was writing in, and the context of the words and understand how to interpret them. It is not easy, and a lot of people jump to conclusions, but some research would have explained that to you.
He was a devout student of the mysteries. The mystery religions he was associated w/ and advocated all participated in ritual sacrifice. From there very beginnings and unto this day. SRA is on the exponential rise here in the US, however is covered up well through the mainstream press and occultists in high positions of power.
So what do you call it when you die here in your mortal body? And where does you ascended master tell you that you will go once you crossover this barrier?
And how could thelema be a law of discipline, when it states that you can do whatever you feel like, and there is basically no consequence for your actions?
It does NOT say you can do whatever you like. It says "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law' Once again watch "The Message of the Master Therion" for an in depth explanation of this concept.
Also please explain to me Aeon of Horus? Horus symbol is the "eye" correct? Could the Aeon of horus be directly related to this build up towards a one world government? Could it mark the beginning of the Luciferian global social structure?
What needs explaining? Please watch my video "Stepping out of the old aeon into the new". The "NWO" crap and "Lucifarian Global Structure" are paranoid delusions that I suggest you just forget about. All that stuff is a bunch of Bogus paranoia. Besides, uniting mankind as a people is bad why exactly? It is painfully obvious that it doesn't work so well the way it is set up now.
Ya right. So thats why all of todays western global leaders are calling for the implementation of a New World Order, or have you been missing the headlines lately. Crowley was a major satanist, and you following in his footsteps also worship lucifer. (Or pan-whatever you want to call it). So denying luciferian thought, would in essence be denying your religion?
What ever... People have been spouting these end of the world conspiracies and antichrist BS for THOUSANDS OF YEARS... Believe it if you like. But you are only deluding yourself. A unification of mankind would be the greatest step toward peace that this world has ever seen. I guess you just like all the imaginary lines that we have used to divide ourselves for so long. Not to mention the wars they cause. But I don't.
Another observation while reading that very text: "One last word on this subject. There is a Magical operation of maximum importance: the Initiation of a New Aeon. When it becomes necessary to utter a Word, the whole Planet must be bathed in blood. Before man is ready to accept the Law of Thelema, the Great War must be fought. This Bloody Sacrifice is the critical point of the World"
What is this "great war" all about? Could it be the cleansing of us pesky Bible believers who wont accept this wicked doctrine? The very cleansing of christians Alice Bailey and Blavatsky described in their works?
LOL... it is MUCH more likely that it is referring to the myriad of bloody atrocities that the Christians, Muslims, and Jews have perpetrated. The Abrahamic faiths have indeed bathed the world in blood; a hundred times over. This has definitely ripened the world, and has very much created an environment in which the Law of Thelema is absolutely thriving. Perhaps it is not over though. Militant Islam and the rise of the insane evangelical movement may be a sign of more to come. Who knows?
How can you justify that statement. The passage was referring to a coming Great War, after the world is submerged by Crowley's law? No specific mention of events that occurred way before his time.That was a nice attempt to divert attention and attack there. The christian atrocities were performed under the guise of the catholic church, which is nothing more than pagan mysticism. Catholicism does not follow the Bible.
That book was written in, I believe, 1911... Would you not say that there have been some "Great War[s]" fought since then? The Aeon of horus began in 1904, that is correct, but that doesn't imply that the world had not already been bathed in blood, making the soil fertile for Thelema.
Ok. But the whole world at once bathed in blood? The Bible talks about this as well. The Bible also talks about your law ruling the world as well, in II Timothy. Im not arguing that the "soil" isnt fertile for lawless atheism and new age mysticism, quite the opposite.
I am done debating this with you. I have better ways to spend my time. I don't wish to argue. It makes no difference to me if you accept the Law or not. Take care of yourself.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and be a Centre of Pestilence for a second to demonstrate something... If you doubt that Liber Al vel Legis was dictated to Crowley, then just think about this... The book foretells future events in several places. i shouldn't, but I am going to point one out to you to prove my point. - Continued
Chapter 3, verse 46 :"I am the warrior Lord of the Forties: the Eighties cower before me, & are abased. I will bring you to victory & joy: I will be at your arms in battle & ye shall delight to slay. Success is your proof; courage is your armour; go on, go on, in my strength; & ye shall turn not back for any! "
To me, this is obviously referring to Nuclear weapons, the bombs we dropped in the 40s, and the cold-war of the 80s. Yet these things hadn't even been thought of in 1904.
OK, not quite sure if that is remotley what it is talking bout, but even if it was so what. The Bible was written thousands of years ago, and so far every prophecy it has foretold has come true. Including the coming one world order, the rampant lawlessness of humanity, and the worship of lucifer.
The bible is an IDOL created by men. The Prophet, Jesus of Nazareth would be ashamed of what has been done in his name by the followers of that Idol. His message was lost, and as has always been the case, the Great White Brotherhood sent forth a new messenger when that had become complete. This is what Aeons are all about. As it says in Liber Porta lucis - Cont
"Many adepts throughout the ages have sought to do this; but their words have been perverted by their successors, and again and again the Veil has fallen upon the Holy of Holies." and - "but you will easily understand that the religions of the world are but symbols and veils of the Absolute Truth. So also are the philosophies. To the adept, seeing all these things from above, there seems nothing to choose between Buddha and Mohammed, between Atheism and Theism."
(uploader) "Many adepts throughout the ages have sought to do this; but their words have been perverted by their successors, and again and again the Veil has fallen upon the Holy of Holies." and - "but you will easily understand that the religions of the world are but symbols and veils of the Absolute Truth. So also are the philosophies. To the adept, seeing all these things from above, there seems nothing to choose between Buddha and Mohammed, between Atheism and Theism."
this is kinda simplistic,but the world is pretty much all thelemite whether it knows it or not,the law encourages all activity,positive negative and even inactivity, Im not so much concerned with being in any order these days,thats my will personally,I wouldnt bash the OTO as a nonmember,spirituality and a path based on karma leads us thru our will,to state "DO WHAT THOU WILT SHALL BE THE WHOLE OF THE LAW" is in itself invoking liberty within the pagan heart of the world
@carolshewolf anyone who would intentionally harm someone for their own pleasures would be a very unbalanced person and not an enlightened being at all.
They would not be practicing their True Will, they would be focusing on their primitive needs, wants and desires.
The true magician heals those around them for we are all connected and to hurt those around you would be hurting a part of yourself.
@Optimyistical Just curious because I have heard good and bad and especially dealing with Aleister Crowley. i admit my knowledge of subject is minimal, due to my own fear of occult , but I find it fascinating ,never the less and would like to learn more. thanks for reply. Carolshewolf
@Optimyistical A true Magician may harm but should never kill. A true Magician should know that you don't learn anything if you're dead. To that end a Magician and the magick he or she employs should never be labeld so prosaically as black or white. One uses the tools at hand to accomplish the task before them.
@carolshewolf To ask this means you do not understand what True Will is. This is great difference between Will and want. For Will (capitalized) is the higher will of human kind and is someone is truly doing their Will there is no conflict between others that are doing their Will as well. Think of it as planets orbiting the sun each on their own path without colliding.
The point of doing your higher Will is to attain a higher sense of being, hurting would never enter into Do what thou wilt
Soon we shall wash in the blood of the weak as the phoenix shall rise again to signify the birth of something wonderful.
MythicSun 2 weeks ago
Crowley sold the OTO to me as the "first of the Old Aeon Orders to embrace the Law of Thelema." This is a lie, and when I discovered it was a lie, I left the Order (I was a KEW and ordained Priest). The Lover's Triad demands a blood oath of absolute obedience to Baphomet. A fucking BLOOD OATH! The OTO is a testament to a dead Brit's ego, nothing more.
apollion888 3 weeks ago
Texas
anothercountyheard 1 month ago
Aleister Crowley, the self appointed "Most Evil Man In The World" was a member and they are an occult fraternal religious organisation, isn't that enough for to condemn them ?
The Freemasons are the same and so are the religions. At the top they are evil and corrupt while the majority are moderate but that doesn't absolve them, they should know what their organisations 'REALLY' stand for. Moderates give fundamentalists and those at the top with the evil intent protection.
TelecasterLPGTop 3 months ago
@TelecasterLPGTop Crowley never "self appointed" himself as "The most Wickedest man in the world" (you've misquoted it). This title was given to him by the yellow press. No, it isn't "enough to condemn them" as you are ignorant about the OTO and the basic usage of English grammar.
uranian99 2 months ago
WHY ARE YOU WEARING A BASEBALL cap THIS IS WHY THE OTO IS A JOKE
naominingishzidda 4 months ago
@naominingishzidda OH GOD, NOT THE BASEBALL CAPS!!
spilledinsanity 3 months ago
gotta be a fuckin asshole to throw out your temper on youtube
Overlorddz 4 months ago
I agree, When you mentioned the hype of drugs and that I said exactly what you did before it came threw the speaks. When that happens you know its obvious! The Order probably has done more for Thelema, hence why they will get trashed now and then. The sad thing is, what you said about interference and wanting to dictate policy, that sort of "thing" defeats the purpose of meaning altogether. I won't say much more than if anything, the absence of this "stuff" is what makes it all unique&special 93
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sextorx 6 months ago
If you look on the OTO official page and review the finances you can see the the Outer Head of the Order makes 7 % below the poverty line. All our dues (which really aren't much) go straight to the lodges and are put into events and mass. Nobody is "getting rich" off Thelema.
Great video Frater, you make a good point.
spilledinsanity 6 months ago
@denullifier hmm well noone rules the occult dimension and nobody in the OTO follows Crowley's lifestyle so I really don't know what you're talking about.
spilledinsanity 6 months ago
You are right. It is not by any means a wealthy organization. Which is why every penny is spent as efficiently as possible and there is full transparency about revenue and spending.
This Typhonian interpretation strikes me as rather mundane, since the lodge is important for the work and cultivating the master-apprentice relationship.
lurconis666 7 months ago
THELEMA....HOW FUCKING GAY...JOINING THE SCORGE OF THE EARTH..
angrynhpatriot 8 months ago
@angrynhpatriot I'd say we are pretty gay. Happy that is, and not fear mongering such as yourself. :)
spilledinsanity 3 months ago
@spilledinsanity go take a shit on someones carpet....do as thou will remember
angrynhpatriot 3 months ago
@angrynhpatriot Funny, I'll give you that. But obviously you do not understand what Will is. Stop wallowing in ignorance and please do not distort the laws.
loveblackkeys 2 months ago
@loveblackkeys ok
angrynhpatriot 2 months ago
they let rednecks in like this guy? ha
MrRDiggity 8 months ago
i was particularly interested in the "Templars of the Orient" until i came across some information that i cant say is wholly true but was most definitely perverse, vile, and disgusting.
and please "thelemites" dont start cursing me or blaring about how wrong i am. as i said i am not validating this information just pointing it out. so dont start pming me bullshit. it will be gladly dematerialized.
good day.
muttish 9 months ago
Well, you haven't really pointed anything out at all. What exactly did you find? Where? There is MUCH misinformation to be found, that is for damn sure.
ozzzz156 9 months ago 4
magic with tears
allaboutdatGDA 9 months ago
I can feel the difference it has already begun to make in my life, just by giving myself fully to the work without the 'lust for results'. More people need to focus on finding their True Will and stop concerning themselves with another's. Every man and every woman is a star. We each have our own orbits or paths, and like stars we should concern ourselves only with OUR path, not another's, lest we stray from our True Will.
I encourage everyone to form their own opinions through study.
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AyshaCyan 9 months ago
93! Thank you so much for putting out all this information showing how beautiful and empowering the work of the O.T.O. is. No, they are not there to hold anyone's hand or hand out degrees. They must be earned and only through study and practice and discipline can one attain that advancement. There is no instant gratification to be had, which so many people expect these days and it truly saddens me. I have only just begun to regularly practice things such as Liber Resh and the LBRP and (cont)
AyshaCyan 9 months ago
and i will be joining, now that theres finally a lodge in somewhat reasonable distance. 50 miles is quite a distance but gotta do what ya gotta do. just waitin to get off this bullshit house arrest first
DichotomyShockRock 9 months ago
i was referring to to everyones comments about expecting the order to hold their hand and give them the title.i know that's not what happens. i know u have to do the work yourself. that's the only way it works. hence why i said i can do the work myself. and unique eccentrics is pretty much what i meant by like minded. tho from the people i been talking to there seems to be a lot more like-mindedness between us than just that.
DichotomyShockRock 9 months ago
Ahh... I see. I misunderstood you. Good luck! 93s
ozzzz156 9 months ago
All you guys care about is the stupid title. It's the work that matters. Call me "Captain Dick Face" for all I care. I would just enjoy the company of like minded individuals. I'll do the work on my own, I don't need a daddy holding my hand and giving me a special name
DichotomyShockRock 9 months ago
You obviously don't have a clue what the order is about.No-one holds your hand, or gives you a name. You are to do the work on your own if it is your Will to do so. There are no "tests" or rituals you are "expected" to perform. No dogma you are expected to adhere to other than the acceptance of Liber AL vel Legis. If you are looking for "like minded individuals" then you are out of luck. But if you want non-like-minded individual, who allow each other their own unique eccentricities, we're here.
ozzzz156 9 months ago
Who has dominion over magic seers? Ask this question if you dare.
Silvertrine 10 months ago
"I would never join any club who would have me as member" You know who I mean....
JRTMIN 10 months ago
your following hurt mrs alvarez
TheRedeyesurfman 10 months ago
your following of the oto did that to your wife
TheRedeyesurfman 10 months ago
the O.T.O is a order dedicated to the worship of Lucifer and the legion of demons in Hell.
joeb1963 10 months ago
@joeb1963 wrong
metronomic1 9 months ago
@joeb1963 You sir, are an idiot. A sheep who believes the lies fed to them by the media. If you had actually read about the Order and its rituals at all you would understand that its purpose is to spread the world of Thelema. Thelemites seek to unite themselves with the ultimate divine source and do their True Will as given to them by this ultimate entity that we can only know in parts. I hope that one day you stop being a lemming and realize how you're being strung along.
AyshaCyan 9 months ago
its sad to see the way some of the new comers are treated by o.t.o.leaders at the lodge like sekhet basta ra Oklahoma what i have seen is a Peking order like none iv seen back in the day if Crowley was a round he would have this body brunt to the ground on lost understandings of the teachings being a oid fool from the day all i can say is dame these kids these days. how could it go so wrong so quick.t
thexists 11 months ago
If you read Bishop T Allen Greenfield's "Statement regarding the O.T.O.",you will soon realize that the OTO has failed to initiate enough people in the higher degrees of the Order!There are plenty of people in the Man of Earth triad of degrees, but, not enough people in the high degrees! The OTO ,over the last 30 years has "failed to initiate" enough people to make it's growth rate robust and healthy!
ashima352 11 months ago
@ashima352 While I am not a part of the order, it is my understanding that those seeking to advance in grade must request to do so and then be reviewed for it. So, the ball really is in the court of the initiate, and if that initiate really is not applying themselves to their Great Work then it will be very obvious I feel. I know that when I am practicing regularly that I feel a major difference in my life and others see it. I think that goes for anyone.
AyshaCyan 9 months ago
I just applied to join the OTO. I think Aleister Crowley may be one of the most misunderstood people in history, his ideas inspire great admiration in many free thinkers still... including me :-)
dowhatthouwiltful 1 year ago
This is the spirit of Thelema; Is it not?
JRTMIN 1 year ago
".. It is a Sorry state of affairs when OTO is incapable of producing a single Adeptus Exemptus in over 60 years, though one doth posit if any were produced in the first place, asside from the assanine pretentious narcisistic posturings of moraly bankrupt and ethically ambiguous charlatans.." And this is comming from a former member, raises some interesting questions.
DARTHMOBIUS 1 year ago
@DARTHMOBIUS In my opinion, the comment demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of the whole purpose of the OTO. OTO doesn't create Adeptus Exempti... Similarly, it doesn't accept probationers or initiate Neophytes. That is the territory of the A.'.A.'. I guess the person who wrote that doesn't know much about the matter, and my guess would be that they are just another disgruntled person who didn't fit in in OTO. Probably due to an inability to allow others to live as they will.
ozzzz156 1 year ago
@ozzzz156, Interesting responce, ritual work is a process of getting from A to B, and so forth it's been implied that OTO follows A to B paradigm akin to what you would find with many other 'Systems' ; A traditional song structure, intro verse bridge chorus verse two bridge chorus outro, unless your suggesting a sort of Chaos Magician paradigm which follows freeform and do what ever the hell it takes to get from A to Z using numbers 3 & 4?
DARTHMOBIUS 1 year ago
@DARTHMOBIUS I think you are missing my point. Which is this: OTO is a fraternal Order. It does not claim to Produce Adepts. Its primary function is to promulgate the Law of Thelema. Those who seek spiritual attainment MUST do so on their own. The Order is much more about Thelemic society and promulgation than it is about ritual magick. Besides, how would you or anyone else know how many Adepts are OTO members? Or better yet, how would you even identify such individuals? You wouldn't.
ozzzz156 1 year ago
@ozzzz156 One posseses a perspective of your point, I refer to the point of 'implied' as One being acqainted with a former member who expressed their opinions, of cause we can speculate/scry for answers on just how many are OTO or deploy those of The Black Hat variety to datamine statistics on it, One understands that with each successive generation there are "New" takes on what deffinitively matters, as after all is it not all a '..State of Mine.." ?
DARTHMOBIUS 1 year ago
@ozzzz156
A well put explanation of what should be an obvious fact! I'll add that it is a misnomer to say that it is the duty of any order, including A.'. A.'., to "produce" persons of any certain grade-- it is YOUR work that produces the attainment, it is NOT the responsibility of a group to bestow an attainment on you. You can't throw a term like Adeptus Exemptus around as if it's someone else's responsibility-- this cheapens the Work, and it antithetical to what real initiation is.
MrMonkman418 11 months ago
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@ozzzz156
A well put explanation of what should be an obvious fact! I'll add that it is a misnomer to say that it is the duty of any order, including A.'. A.'., to "produce" persons of any certain grade-- it is YOUR work that produces the attainment, it is NOT the responsibility of a group to bestow an attainment on you. You can't throw a term like Adeptus Exemptus around as if it's someone else's responsibility-- this cheapens the Work, and it antithetical to what real initiation is.
MrMonkman418 11 months ago
@ozzzz156
A well put explanation of what should be an obvious fact! I'll add that it is a misnomer to say that it is the duty of any order, including A.'. A.'., to "produce" persons of any certain grade-- it is YOUR work that produces the attainment, it is NOT the responsibility of a group to bestow an attainment on you. You can't throw a term like Adeptus Exemptus around as if it's someone else's responsibility-- this cheapens the Work, and it is antithetical to what real initiation is.
MrMonkman418 11 months ago
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@ozzzz156
A well put explanation of what should be an obvious fact! I'll add that it is a misnomer to say that it is the duty of any order, including A.'. A.'., to "produce" persons of any certain grade-- it is YOUR work that produces the attainment, it is NOT the responsibility of a group to bestow an attainment on you. You can't throw a term like Adeptus Exemptus around as if it's someone else's responsibility-- this cheapens the Work, and it antithetical to what real initiation is.
MrMonkman418 11 months ago
why does aleister crowley refer to himself as "the beast whos number is 666"? can anyone tell me? i just dont understand why he does that
Alkhemist10 1 year ago
also i may be an agnostic and do agree with the theories of free will and love but it still came from the mystery babylon schools, the same type of paganism that the nazis believed in, They called them S.S for a reason...
papacap727 1 year ago
I'm a "conspiracy theorist" and my research into the occult symbols i've been seeing in Jay Z , Kanye West , Rihanna, and Lady Gaga videos and music has sent me lead me to the O.T.O. Also the Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut sent got me curious as well.
To me the symbolism does not lie at all , so if O.T.O is so small then how come i see jay z throwing up the "pyramid" , Kanye wearing a giant Horus pendant ,Rihanna's eye painted like the eye of Horus on her album cover? there's wayy too may examples.
papacap727 1 year ago
@papacap727 The O.T.O. and its dogma's are vicarious of these ancient symbols and their meanings. Are you really implying that the pyramids of Egypt and he God Horus are somehow exclusive to this order? The all-seeing eye/eye of Ra is everywhere. Ancient mysticism and pseudo-science appeal to ego-maniacs, in that they pretend to offer esoteric knowledge.
01110110010110110101 2 months ago
I resigned from the OTO after my wife was sexually assaulted by an initiator and the Order did nothing but slap him on the wrist. Women are not treated well in the order. There is a "good ol' boys" network and back-stabbing politics are regularly played.
The order needs to reach out to its disaffected members to right past wrongs. Feel free to contact me.
Mercury418 1 year ago
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papacap727 1 year ago
Generally, your statements re: the differences between Thelemites I agree with in toto; the OTO, however, well....no so much.
KDavis418 1 year ago
@KDavis418 I DO have to say, however, that I met a lot of good people when I joined, many of whom I still maintain contact with. It's "Order policy" and the leadership that seems to be the problem: Many GL members are exceptionally arrogant, and there is a tendency to equate OTO degrees with spiritual attainment: Something AC said in many places was simply NOT true!
KDavis418 1 year ago
the OTO members are the families in your city killing there kids throwing them in the river after rituals and shit. The guy who created abortions is a OTO member
ih8pyramids 1 year ago
@ih8pyramids What an idiot
ahenderson666 1 year ago
@ih8pyramids Ummm...Crowley was VERY anti-abortion!!
KDavis418 1 year ago
@ih8pyramids thers nothing wrong with abortion. It saves the life of teen girls all over the world.
tissetatten 1 year ago
this is a cult call this shit what it is....thelema is your idol and every person on Gods green earth is going to answer for their sins EVEN the OTO
ih8pyramids 1 year ago
@ih8pyramids LOL silly biggoted christian. Its the people like you that drive people away from christ. His message lost a long time ago. Open your eyes
ShadowedOne413 1 year ago
Dear Ozzzz,
Is "promulgating" the law actually a part of the Great Work? I was under the impression that your Orders are extremely secret groups who let members in only after they have been given a personal recommendation from someone who is already inside the order. This is how the Rosicrucian Orders operate. I get the feeling you are an outsider.
otonanoC 1 year ago
@otonanoC A simple email to the Querent Secretary is enough to get the membership ball rolling within the OTO. As for Rosicrucian's, AMORC for example, provide an application pack via their website(however i get the distinct impression from your comment that you are a Rosicrucian, and belong to a closed door group?)There is nothing secret about it, however inside teachings are reserved for persons who's motivations for study and practice are honourable,
ahenderson666 1 year ago
@otonanoC which is what the application process attempts to acertain.
ahenderson666 1 year ago
That will being the expression of one's self, and a genuine want to better the great work, by hopefully instigating change within the orgonization. Censorship of members views is the job of mainstream religion, not of the OTO. Everyones view should matter.
ahenderson666 1 year ago
I feel the OTO should be offering a 'go to' bookshop for Thelemites, accessible from the main website. If i were Christian there wouldnt be a problem sourcing the texts i needed to practice, as they would provide them or a sure way of sourcing them. You talk about how its the orders job to 'get the law out there and attract new members', but if they make no effort to provide the texts needed to do that then....Also expressing ones views on the OTO is thelemic, its an exercising of ones will
ahenderson666 1 year ago
@ahenderson666 If the OTO REALLY wanted to spread the Law of Thelema then they'd produce free ebook versions of all the out-of-print books for serious students...guess that $ is more important.
KDavis418 1 year ago
@KDavis418 I agree, to members of course.
ahenderson666 1 year ago
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ahenderson666 1 year ago
ALL LIES..
for god's people out there whom might be a little lost. and are trying to find other ways. please please do not buy into the devil's work. he is the king of lies and the most beautiful thing our eyes can see . he will deceive you by using certain word choices. but do not ignore the KEY words. pay attention. my blessings are with you. and with the O.T.O. for i believe god will show no mercy on them. PRAY FOR THOSE WHO ARE POWERFUL AND WHOM BECOME POWER LEADERS. for they are evil.
lasvegasdynasty 1 year ago
y y do u believe in this paganistic crap baphomet is not the one whos going to save at the end of the world satanism is not the path u should take friend may jesus clean ur soul
richradful 1 year ago
@richradful What an idiot.'satan, baphomet' do you even know what thelema is? That rant is better aimed at Theistic Satanists, not Thelemites. Thats why no one takes you people seriously, you go around shoving your view down peoples throats with this pre conceived idea of what they believe. Take a look at your own life, and the hypocrisy of your belifes before you spread your bigotry.
ahenderson666 1 year ago
Shh..The whole idea is for it to shrink. At least appear to shrink. Maybe people no longer need that structure or vice versa. SSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHH...If I was face to face with you right now I'd be doing the sign of banishing.
HeathenMachine777 1 year ago
@HeathenMachine777 Shrink? I think not. Crowley wanted vast expansion of OTO. It's a slow journey, but OTO is well on its way.
ozzzz156 1 year ago
@ozzzz156 ok but you can make the books into E-books. That doesent have to cost alot of money and ppl all over the world can download them.
tissetatten 1 year ago
The OTO was good to me also, and I have much respect for them! As for the books, Crowley's books sell like crazy; I was a bookseller for 5 years and every time his books came in they would be gone within a week. I lave lost many friends for the sole reason that I study Crowley seriously, and I find that most people just do not read his books with an open mind, and most of them get their idea from hearsay that he was evil ect... Keep up the Great Work brother!
93.
darren570 1 year ago
@darren570 i've read this book of yours. completely open minded.
have you read this book of mine called "The Holy Bible" ? open minded?
great book. they talk about the devil in there too, incase that's an attention grabber.
lasvegasdynasty 1 year ago
There are fewer than FIVE HUNDRED U.S. O.T.O. members left.
There are TWENTY TIMES THAT NUMBER of disaffected/resigned Thelemites in the U.S. alone.
O.T.O. is DEAD. Rest In Peace.
NotJust4Breakfast 1 year ago
If you believe that then I have a Bridge in London I'll sell you for just 1000 dollars! OTO is stronger than it has ever been. The Body I belong to just signed a lease on our new 1000sf temple. Don't be a dummy.
ozzzz156 1 year ago
@ozzzz156 WOW. Ad Hominem attacks make you look SOOO strong and logical.
NotJust4Breakfast 1 year ago
@ozzzz156 Keep passing that Koolaid around, Rev. Jones.
NotJust4Breakfast 1 year ago
@NotJust4Breakfast OMG I know there are almost that in the Bay Area ALONE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....That has to be some awesome shit you are smoking.
ohravenous1 1 year ago
The OTO is DEAD. Long Live INDY THELEMA!
NotJust4Breakfast 1 year ago
Long live indy Thelema!!! Here, here!! But OTO is FAR from dead... And we are not going anywhere. So get used to it.
ozzzz156 1 year ago
@ozzzz156 HAHAHAHAHA
LordGodKing Suppositorius will be the LAST US GL SHK.
NotJust4Breakfast 1 year ago
Thank you for this video. I have been exploring Thelema and the OTO on my own, and am considering whether to become a Minerval. While I am still formulating my personal takes, I can say this - I am so glad I chose to QUIT listening to random shit people write on the Internet, and actually connected with some lodge members face to face. This video is very real.
8Adramelech8 1 year ago
One thing I should say: Crowley said that socialization between members is a bad thing outside of a specific necessity when the Work of two members becomes inter-related. He basically said that idle human social interaction was one of the greatest poisons, and that it begins with superficial judgments and quickly becomes moral judgments. So I don't think promoting the O.T.O. as a social order is very fair or accurate to the purpose for which the order was established. No, I am not a member.
belshazzar1983 1 year ago
@belshazzar1983 agreed
mickilovesya 1 year ago
Crowley said this, yes. In reference to the A.'.A.'. work. Yet he was also VERY adament that O.T.O. was a very important aspect of the greater work of bringing the Aeon of Horus into full swing. He very clearly made a distinct separation between the personal work of the individual and the collective work of thelemic culture. It is a very important distinction to make. Your path to the Light is YOUR OWN. But this is not to be taken as meaning that society and culture is to be ignored or rejected.
ozzzz156 1 year ago
My only problem with the OTO is that "upper management" decided at some point to turn it into yet another leftist-flavored CIA front without telling anyone. Had I ever desired to become involved with such an operation, I was fully capable of doing so under my own steam. Also, the viagra spam has to stop. It's childish and only makes the situation worse. Plus, my spam filter just soaks it up, so the only real magickal effect is to brutally p--- me off even more than I already am.
Trench216 1 year ago
@Trench216 Well it's insane, but at least it's one I haven't heard before.
ozzzz156 1 year ago
@ozzzz156 No more insane than believing in Magick lolz. Insane or not, it got somebody's attention. The Viagra spam those douches were sending me stopped shortly after that. Fact is, ranking Order members brazenly admitted to me IN EMAILS THAT I KEPT that OTO had become like the Students for a Democratic Society back in the 60's, a BS leftist flavored CIA front. I'm sorry, but having somebody's BS politics shoved down my throat was NOT what I joined OTO for.
Trench216 1 year ago
They're so used to dealing with things on the level of perception management that they were completely unprepared for what I did and they capitulated to me, utterly. They had no choice. I want you all to remember that when I went to the Order's hierarchy for help, they told me "Whatever happens is fair." Which is exactly and precisely the wrong thing to tell someone with my background. I doubt very much they will be bothering me again. MUAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Trench216 1 year ago
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jagball22 1 year ago
the material is definitely out there. i am a solo practitioner but i have turned the resources provided bye the order and its good stuff.
a11ace 1 year ago
the material is definitely out there. i am a solo practitioner but i have turned the resources provided bye the order and its good stuff.
a11ace 1 year ago
At last! Crowley pronounced on a utube vid to rhyme with holy... THANKS!
memoriesofhpl 1 year ago
Crowley didn't like black people correct? Can a black person join the OTO?
Midvinterblot542 1 year ago
WOW, The thumbs up to down ratio is quite telling. I guess that means Spiritual Paranoia is in decline. That is quite refreshing.
This was a great post . Thanks for that.
I believe Crowley contributed much to spiritual studies and magick. I also believe he is a study in why spirituality and heroin, cocaine, etc, ought to be mutually exclusive. That's just my perspective. I would never preach. Peace to you.
srhanna 1 year ago
Wow, this is really honest and real. Nice going.
ejsukyari 1 year ago
Good video oz, upcoming minerval here myself. I've recieved criticism from even my own friends in regard to my involvement with the order. You defend the OTO well. It is indeed about the promulgation of the law, and a source of community for fellow occultists. These are what my sponsors told me from the get-go. 93 Brother
Thanatosx33 1 year ago
people need to understand that when there is "bashing" towards a group, it does not mean every single individual person is conspiring to do evil. Read Albert Pikes Morals and Dogma of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry or Aleister Crowley's(the founder of the OTO) book Magick, they are both of the highest public degree of freemasonry which the OTO was originated upon, along with Rosicrucian and Illuminist organizations. Both of them discuss how only the higher ranking individuals are the only ones
gtownhoyas123 1 year ago
Just ran across your vid collection. Good job sir. 93 93/93
evokefrank 1 year ago
OTO is fucking evil and insane. You should feel bad for making this video and promoting this shit. I like that you are promoting rape, phedopihilia, murder and slaver to mention a few things.
Israfel85 1 year ago
Dude, you are an idiot. The OTO isn't about any of those things. Those are all acts of extreme restriction of individual liberty, and are diametrically opposed to the whole Philosophy of Thelema. But of course, if you are so impressionable as to just believe anything any religious zealot with an internet connection chooses to type, you can. But that doesn't make it true. Now go back to what ever rock you crawled out from under. Your lies are not welcome here.
ozzzz156 1 year ago 2
@ozzzz156 I second that Oz. The OTO is not anything about rape, murder, and phedophillia. This Illuminati craze going around the internet is getting ridiculous. Thanks to Alex Jones, Jordan Maxwell, David (Reptillian) Icke and some fucking COOKYS out there that did a little research. I did my own research and the OTO is not the problem, they are actually saints compared to some real threats. and folks. THERE IS NO ILLUMINATI. That died centuries ago. Religion is the closest thing to Illuminati
StokesDaddy 1 year ago 2
crowley was a mason first and he designed his own system later that is rigidly base on masonry in structure only the content is different, i am a 33degree mason who has read crowleys books way before i became a mason.
tdragon68 1 year ago
@tdragon68 Brother. Crowley was only initiated an EA. He was never past or raised to the MM
pcbjoehall 1 year ago
93!
Alas, Verily Frater your words are truly reflect those of Master Therion. Just to add a simple comment some Thelemates are very successful indviduals, these indviduals have shaped how people regard the occult in general. As far as drugs and parties are concerned "Do what thou wilt" others may simply choose to not to, it is sad that Thelemites are stampled as drug addicts or party mongers because this is not the truth.
93 93/93
BLAZINGSTAR322 1 year ago
I am a very poor Gnostic who is interested in joining the Order but I need to know something-how much are the fees involved?
guckenberger 1 year ago
ww(dot)oto-usa(dot)org... click on the link that says "dues and fees". Google is your friend. Above and beyond that, every local body has their own way of meeting their needs as a body. Some have higher local dues than others. You should check with your local body. You can find the closest one by clicking the "Local Bodies" link on the USGL page.
ozzzz156 1 year ago
@ozzzz156 Thank you.
guckenberger 1 year ago
Do What Thou Wilt. Man has no other right but to Do His Will.
guckenberger 1 year ago
Is joining the OTO a religious commitment or is it like becoming a Freemason?
MsDiesIrae9 1 year ago
I would say that OTO in and of itself is not. But E.G.C. is, and it is an inseparable part of OTO. You could, in theory, get the OTO initiations and not participate in E.G.C., but I don't think you would get the same benefit from it. Others might disagree. There are those who argue that Thelema is not at all religious, but rather a philosophy, and I can see that as well. So I suppose it really depends where you are coming from on a personal level. SRY... I know that is probably confusing.
ozzzz156 1 year ago
whats your thoughts on scienctology
konohathug239 1 year ago
great vid
rednek19 1 year ago
Good video, I will subscribe.
UFMD1 1 year ago
Great talk. Thank you.
evilninja3000 1 year ago
jesus would not think any thing about the bible because he was ''the sun''an allegory just as many you should know this.read litteral the bible is monstorous
ninjafretshadow 1 year ago
These people that follow Crowley and his dogma make me sick. The near deification of a man who prided himself on ritualistic murder and sexual vampirism of young male children is repulsive. You people are reprobates for wanting to glorify this man and his demonic teachings. The day is fast approaching when you and your ilk (the mystery school affiliates) will have your grip of power on this world broken. You better repent and find the real truth behind the Bible.
txmetal34 1 year ago
"ritualistic murder and sexual vampirism of young male children" This is 100% NOT true, and you are a mindless slave if you believe it... Check your facts. Do YOUR Will, and stop whining about the fact that others are doing theirs. Spread your lies and misinformation somewhere else.
ozzzz156 1 year ago
@ozzzz156
What is not true about what I said. The man wrote in his books about ritual sacrifice. He bragged openly about being the most wicked man in the world. And you people choose to glorify this man and follow his teachings, like it was something to look up to? Do your will = Follow the wicked imaginations of your own heart.
The "light" you seek " from your ascended masters" is only going to lead you into darkness.
txmetal34 1 year ago
I really get sick of pointing this stuff out...
Crowley did NOT advocate "Ritualistic Murder" that is not true. Crowley did not advocate Sacrifice. In fact in Liber Tzaddi it is clear that "I ask you to sacrifice nothing upon my altar. I am the god that giveth all." This constant BS people spout about Crowley sacrificing children and much of the other nonsense is just propaganda generated by the media of his day, which was very similar to the tabloids of our day.
ozzzz156 1 year ago
He wasn't perfect, I'll give you that. But see, Thelemites don't need him to be. His failures are only proof of our own ability to proceed toward enlightenment despite our own failings. We don't worship the man. That's what you people don't seem to understand. He was just a man, with short-comings like every other. But yet HE was chosen to convey this message to the world despite that. And this is so IMO precisely because of his successes AND his failures.
ozzzz156 1 year ago
@ozzzz156
What about in his book Magic: In theory and practice? He most certainly talked about ritual sacrifice, and described the necessaries for it in vivid detail. In that quote you provided, is that not him declaring himself to be a god. Also, your premise of "chosen" - one must ask themselves what type of entity would choose the most wicked and perverse man in the earth to spread a doctrine?
txmetal34 1 year ago
Yes he did. But you misunderstand him greatly. I'm not sure if you are even capable of understanding the chapter due to your bias. Please note the LAST sentence of the chapter: "You are likely to get into trouble over this chapter unless you truly comprehend its meaning." Indeed he was declaring his God-hood, as he also bids you to declare yours, and behave accordingly. Why choose him? Because he personifies the fact that the Old Aeon morality is no longer lawful in the Aeon of Horus.
ozzzz156 1 year ago
@ozzzz156
First off, what possible good could ever come from sacrificing an innocent child? Now, please explain to me how any man could possibly declare god-hood on this earth, given we are all appointed a date w/ death? And are you relating that the complete destruction of the moral paradigm, given way to absolute selfish lawlessness is going to be a good thing for this world? Considering the way most people act today, according your new law?
txmetal34 1 year ago
"Innocent Chile" refers to sperm, or perhaps a mixture of male and female seminal fluids. The energy released at the moment of orgasm is a powerful one. Your perception of "Death" is very limited. "Death is forbidden, o man, unto thee." Al 2:73 No. Thelema is a Law of Discipline. Not anarchy. Please watch my video "The Message of the Master Therion. Most people do not act in accordance with the Law. That is the problem with the world.
ozzzz156 1 year ago
The term "Sacrifice an innocent child" is talking about sex without conception. Not a literal sacrifice. You just don't speak Crowley... It's ok, most people don't. You have to understand both the period he was writing in, and the context of the words and understand how to interpret them. It is not easy, and a lot of people jump to conclusions, but some research would have explained that to you.
ozzzz156 1 year ago
@ozzzz156
He was a devout student of the mysteries. The mystery religions he was associated w/ and advocated all participated in ritual sacrifice. From there very beginnings and unto this day. SRA is on the exponential rise here in the US, however is covered up well through the mainstream press and occultists in high positions of power.
txmetal34 1 year ago
@ozzzz156 I think you need to go back and read that one again........lol they do and they did......and they still do.........why lie
dacritterlover 1 year ago
@ozzzz156
So what do you call it when you die here in your mortal body? And where does you ascended master tell you that you will go once you crossover this barrier?
And how could thelema be a law of discipline, when it states that you can do whatever you feel like, and there is basically no consequence for your actions?
txmetal34 1 year ago
I'm not altogether sure... Are you?
It does NOT say you can do whatever you like. It says "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law' Once again watch "The Message of the Master Therion" for an in depth explanation of this concept.
ozzzz156 1 year ago
BTW, I HAVE NO MASTER... I am not of the "slaves that serve". I am an individual Star, Shining Radiantly, and I bow to no-one, be he Man OR God.
ozzzz156 1 year ago
@ozzzz156
Also please explain to me Aeon of Horus? Horus symbol is the "eye" correct? Could the Aeon of horus be directly related to this build up towards a one world government? Could it mark the beginning of the Luciferian global social structure?
txmetal34 1 year ago
What needs explaining? Please watch my video "Stepping out of the old aeon into the new". The "NWO" crap and "Lucifarian Global Structure" are paranoid delusions that I suggest you just forget about. All that stuff is a bunch of Bogus paranoia. Besides, uniting mankind as a people is bad why exactly? It is painfully obvious that it doesn't work so well the way it is set up now.
ozzzz156 1 year ago
@ozzzz156
Ya right. So thats why all of todays western global leaders are calling for the implementation of a New World Order, or have you been missing the headlines lately. Crowley was a major satanist, and you following in his footsteps also worship lucifer. (Or pan-whatever you want to call it). So denying luciferian thought, would in essence be denying your religion?
txmetal34 1 year ago
What ever... People have been spouting these end of the world conspiracies and antichrist BS for THOUSANDS OF YEARS... Believe it if you like. But you are only deluding yourself. A unification of mankind would be the greatest step toward peace that this world has ever seen. I guess you just like all the imaginary lines that we have used to divide ourselves for so long. Not to mention the wars they cause. But I don't.
ozzzz156 1 year ago
@ozzzz156
Another observation while reading that very text: "One last word on this subject. There is a Magical operation of maximum importance: the Initiation of a New Aeon. When it becomes necessary to utter a Word, the whole Planet must be bathed in blood. Before man is ready to accept the Law of Thelema, the Great War must be fought. This Bloody Sacrifice is the critical point of the World"
txmetal34 1 year ago
@txmetal34
What is this "great war" all about? Could it be the cleansing of us pesky Bible believers who wont accept this wicked doctrine? The very cleansing of christians Alice Bailey and Blavatsky described in their works?
txmetal34 1 year ago
LOL... it is MUCH more likely that it is referring to the myriad of bloody atrocities that the Christians, Muslims, and Jews have perpetrated. The Abrahamic faiths have indeed bathed the world in blood; a hundred times over. This has definitely ripened the world, and has very much created an environment in which the Law of Thelema is absolutely thriving. Perhaps it is not over though. Militant Islam and the rise of the insane evangelical movement may be a sign of more to come. Who knows?
ozzzz156 1 year ago
@ozzzz156
How can you justify that statement. The passage was referring to a coming Great War, after the world is submerged by Crowley's law? No specific mention of events that occurred way before his time.That was a nice attempt to divert attention and attack there. The christian atrocities were performed under the guise of the catholic church, which is nothing more than pagan mysticism. Catholicism does not follow the Bible.
txmetal34 1 year ago
That book was written in, I believe, 1911... Would you not say that there have been some "Great War[s]" fought since then? The Aeon of horus began in 1904, that is correct, but that doesn't imply that the world had not already been bathed in blood, making the soil fertile for Thelema.
ozzzz156 1 year ago
@ozzzz156
Ok. But the whole world at once bathed in blood? The Bible talks about this as well. The Bible also talks about your law ruling the world as well, in II Timothy. Im not arguing that the "soil" isnt fertile for lawless atheism and new age mysticism, quite the opposite.
txmetal34 1 year ago
I am done debating this with you. I have better ways to spend my time. I don't wish to argue. It makes no difference to me if you accept the Law or not. Take care of yourself.
ozzzz156 1 year ago
I'm gonna go out on a limb and be a Centre of Pestilence for a second to demonstrate something... If you doubt that Liber Al vel Legis was dictated to Crowley, then just think about this... The book foretells future events in several places. i shouldn't, but I am going to point one out to you to prove my point. - Continued
ozzzz156 1 year ago
Chapter 3, verse 46 :"I am the warrior Lord of the Forties: the Eighties cower before me, & are abased. I will bring you to victory & joy: I will be at your arms in battle & ye shall delight to slay. Success is your proof; courage is your armour; go on, go on, in my strength; & ye shall turn not back for any! "
To me, this is obviously referring to Nuclear weapons, the bombs we dropped in the 40s, and the cold-war of the 80s. Yet these things hadn't even been thought of in 1904.
ozzzz156 1 year ago
@ozzzz156
OK, not quite sure if that is remotley what it is talking bout, but even if it was so what. The Bible was written thousands of years ago, and so far every prophecy it has foretold has come true. Including the coming one world order, the rampant lawlessness of humanity, and the worship of lucifer.
txmetal34 1 year ago
The bible is an IDOL created by men. The Prophet, Jesus of Nazareth would be ashamed of what has been done in his name by the followers of that Idol. His message was lost, and as has always been the case, the Great White Brotherhood sent forth a new messenger when that had become complete. This is what Aeons are all about. As it says in Liber Porta lucis - Cont
ozzzz156 1 year ago
"Many adepts throughout the ages have sought to do this; but their words have been perverted by their successors, and again and again the Veil has fallen upon the Holy of Holies." and - "but you will easily understand that the religions of the world are but symbols and veils of the Absolute Truth. So also are the philosophies. To the adept, seeing all these things from above, there seems nothing to choose between Buddha and Mohammed, between Atheism and Theism."
ozzzz156 1 year ago
(uploader) "Many adepts throughout the ages have sought to do this; but their words have been perverted by their successors, and again and again the Veil has fallen upon the Holy of Holies." and - "but you will easily understand that the religions of the world are but symbols and veils of the Absolute Truth. So also are the philosophies. To the adept, seeing all these things from above, there seems nothing to choose between Buddha and Mohammed, between Atheism and Theism."
ozzzz156 1 year ago
See my last comment.
ozzzz156 1 year ago
Like to play with fire huh dude?....in the end.... you're gonna get burnt too.....as you say, the Law is for all....
gibagang 1 year ago
this is kinda simplistic,but the world is pretty much all thelemite whether it knows it or not,the law encourages all activity,positive negative and even inactivity, Im not so much concerned with being in any order these days,thats my will personally,I wouldnt bash the OTO as a nonmember,spirituality and a path based on karma leads us thru our will,to state "DO WHAT THOU WILT SHALL BE THE WHOLE OF THE LAW" is in itself invoking liberty within the pagan heart of the world
fraterlucifer888 1 year ago
93, 93/93.....Frater Oz....!!!!!!!!!!
Belinant 1 year ago
@carolshewolf anyone who would intentionally harm someone for their own pleasures would be a very unbalanced person and not an enlightened being at all.
They would not be practicing their True Will, they would be focusing on their primitive needs, wants and desires.
The true magician heals those around them for we are all connected and to hurt those around you would be hurting a part of yourself.
Optimyistical 1 year ago
@Optimyistical Just curious because I have heard good and bad and especially dealing with Aleister Crowley. i admit my knowledge of subject is minimal, due to my own fear of occult , but I find it fascinating ,never the less and would like to learn more. thanks for reply. Carolshewolf
carolshewolf 1 year ago
@Optimyistical A true Magician may harm but should never kill. A true Magician should know that you don't learn anything if you're dead. To that end a Magician and the magick he or she employs should never be labeld so prosaically as black or white. One uses the tools at hand to accomplish the task before them.
Hambie76 1 year ago
@carolshewolf To ask this means you do not understand what True Will is. This is great difference between Will and want. For Will (capitalized) is the higher will of human kind and is someone is truly doing their Will there is no conflict between others that are doing their Will as well. Think of it as planets orbiting the sun each on their own path without colliding.
The point of doing your higher Will is to attain a higher sense of being, hurting would never enter into Do what thou wilt
Optimyistical 1 year ago
Thelema is as far fetched as Scientology
Freemasonry 1 year ago