nukethe argies ... every main city kill our enemy and then prblem solved ...fuck the srgies they deserve to reap what they sow ...kill them all men woman and there seed..... nuclear wipe out from north to south
UK aid to argentina = £450 million over 12 years, Argentina has untold reserves of their own, UK citizens face cut back after cut back across the board and our government havent finished.
why is the UK giving so much financial aid to Argentina who are so against UK interests?
If like me you are sickened by this news, you would be glad to know the UK government website has an e-petition.
google: Overseas Aid Assessment
Do your bit, spread this message, this cannot be allowed to continue.
Can certainly be a good ship, but do not think it has the standard as some would believe (English)
Type 45 can not act independently, does not even have weapons to sink ships so it is in great need to have more ships around them, then it is not the savior that Englishmen think, too few ships in the UK navy to project power when it only gets 6 Type 45, with only 16 frigates that can strike at ships with an quite old and slow Anti Ship missile with a short range that is quite easy to shoot down.
@MrCastodian Naval warfare is not going to be who has the biggest guns or most ships, if so we would be putting 16" guns on these, but your wont see broadside shots coming in the future wars. This tyep of warfare all was over in the 1950's.
Now we use subs to take out ships, gear like the Astute class subs we have. This Type 45 is used to destroy the enemies airforce, and will form part of our new carrier groups in the coming decade.
@DoctorEnzo Type 45 can not even sink a canoe, it is totally dependent on the escort, can not take a modern ship seriously if it is dependent on other ships for survival.
The Future Royal Navy has six destroyers, six submarines, and so far 13 frigates (more to be scrapped), then two aircraft carriers from 2016 and 2018.
I do not call a force that can project power.
It is totally dependent on the U.S. Navy to be a direct threat to the bigger o stronger nations around the world.
@MrCastodian What year do you live in? One where ships roam solo and perform every task in the Navy?
What navies can you see the UK going up against? Iran? Argentina? HAHAH
We can destroy entire airforces with one ship now, entire navies with 1 sub. When we get our new carriers (how many do you have again?) its a formidable force.
Our tridetns have a range of 18,000Km is that enough projection for you?
Why would we not work with the USA we are allies?
@DoctorEnzoWill the Royal Navy come close to its former glory, it must be put into larger solutions on both surface forces and submarines.
Not to say that it is bad, absolutely not, but it is very suited to being merely a support fleet.
And history has shown that only bet on a ship that is simplistic in its design can punish himself in the long run when in the reality war do not always go after the plans and they may one day stand without his escort.
@MrCastodian Former Glory....LOL we have the best destroyers and subs in the world , yes we dont need the numbers but who do we have to fight??? The awesome naval power of Sweden?
Course its part of a fleet, but you just dont roll every ship out at the same time, how many carriers you see floating around solo....NONE
It does a escort...its called Astute class sub, you dont see them as they operate under water....LOL
@MrCastodian I dont think Sweden has a better Navy than the UK, but hey your are weclome to think what you want.
The Type 45 is not meant to be a solo ship, its part of our new fleet. Type 45, Astute, QE Carrier, Type 26, they are not all on line at the same time, it takes a long time to bring them all into service. Yes in a full fleet it will be the even better, but until then we will have to make do with the Type 45 and Sub and exisiting kit.
@MrCastodian As for "Type 45 can not even sink a canoe" Well maybe you would like to try this theroy out....you get a canoe and I will ask the RN do they want some target practice.
I am sure you would fair well against
4.5in gun good up to 20 miles
Phalanx 3000 rounds per minute
30MM Gun
Then of course you need to get past the Lynx mark 8 and Astute Subs with Tomahawks.
Will this special canoe be made by Saab? I will inform the RN of this canoe threat. LOL
@MrCastodian First off if a canoe packed with islamic bombers tried to ram it any of these could deal with it.
4.5in gun good up to 20 miles
Phalanx 3000 rounds per minute
30MM Gun
All of these are secondary weapons for close range. AS the TYPE 45 is mainly a AA platform.
I dont think understand they dont sail alone....they will have a sub close, you just dont see them. We have 6 Type 45 and 7 Astues planned. Now the Astue is a Anti Ship platform.
@MrCastodian Yeah Sweden have huge coastline and smaller population, so your fleet is designed for the type of combat you see, you have fast small agile boats. Or really its for defence or for fast deployment.
We dont have the vast fleets as before. The USA had 750 ships in the 80's now they have 270. Times change the cold war is over Russia is not the threat it once was.
@MrCastodian The only thing the ship is missing is anti ship missles, but I guess the Royal Navy assume it wont be fighting ships. I am sure they could strap some on the side, but again this will have been thought about and this is a dedicated anti air platform.
As for the other ships you mention, the Russian Kirovs are OLD how many do they have again in service? The S Korean is a US clone, and really the US ships have some nice kit I am sure as does the 45 which is brand new.
@DoctorEnzo "but again this will have been thought about" Is just that analysts believe is the problem with the Type 45, the Navy saved money for the benefit of the ship's safety.
Kirov's just upgraded so it is not old, and it has nothing to do with how many they have, you asked which ones were better, not quantity.
Does it matter if it is a clone? it's still as good or better.
"I am sure as does the 45"
Oh yes, I have not said anything else, one of the best, but not the best, big difference.
@MrCastodian you dnt know what your talking about each type 45 cost 1 billion pounds and it is the most advanced destroyer in world and specfic to shooting dwn planes and air contacts, kirov's is not even in service and its a crusier not a destoryer its no where near as advanced as a single type 46 and an astute class attack sub can listen on traffic 3000 miles away and would is more than capable of sinking any surface ship or sub, .especially a rusty old crusier that should been replaced
@stewsterni Show me an independent analysis that describes what you just wrote please, the smallest report describing the Kirov as a bad ship, or that describes the Type-45 is the world's best ships, and please find an analysis that describes how good the Astute on sink ships, such as the Kirov :)
@MrCastodian who independently grades warships? are you a moron? your trying to compare a rusty heap shit, to an advanced destroyer, the princples the type45 was built on came from falklands war, you couldnt even afford to decommission the kirov, and the british are only people to sink a ship using a submarine in modern warfare, so you know nothing and talking about a terrible boat that cant even leave anchor you are a moron.
@MrCastodian listen m8 your a moron you talk of military spending when UK is by Stockholm International Peace Research Institute ranked 3rd and has lower gdp spent of defense compared to russia, it has a far smaller navy and it is far more advanced, the type 45 is new generation of destroyer, and you compare it to a heap shit crusier that wasn't decommissioned because it cost to much so was kept in dock till it can be refitted! you sir are a bloody moron who should check his facts.
@MrCastodian listen m8 your a moron you talk of military spending when UK is by Stockholm International Peace Research Institute ranked 3rd and has lower gdp spent of defense compared to russia, it has a far smaller navy and it is far more advanced, the type 45 is new generation of destroyer, and you compare it to a heap shit crusier that wasn't decommissioned because it cost to much so was kept in dock till it can be refitted! you sir are a bloody moron who should check his facts.
@stewsterni The Type 45 is good but only to an extent. I would much rather have an Arleigh Burke Class destroyer that not only has more VLS but also carries land attack missiles. And with the RIM-174 and Evolved Sea Sparrow, the Arleigh Burke DDG could possibly have better anti-aircraft and anti-cruise missile abilities. Let alone the AEGIS BMD models with RIM-161's.
But in terms of overall abilities, the single Kirov Class Battlecruiser is one of the best.
@franknbeans4761 dnt make me laugh? type 45 is made to shot dwn planes and missles to protect carriers, it can carry tomahawk missles so it can strike land targets which it is not built to do in first place it can track 1000 targets and engage 46 at once, kirov cant even do 1/6th of that so come back when you build new ship.
@MrCastodian I am not slow. Where did I mention "Sveriga"?
Please question the Type 45 and Astute, I agree they are expenisve, but we need more. But still the UK has the third largest military budget in the world, more than Russia. I guess with the current threats they assume Anti Air shoudl be served with a Type 45 and leave the ship killing to one of the 20+ frigates with harpoon, or the subs.
@DoctorEnzo Sorry, forgot to translate "Sverige"! should be Sweden!
"third largest military budget"
Not realy true, you have such a big budget becuse its included expensive foreign bases, service abroad, and support package to the allies, unlike the others in the Top 10 list.
the actual budget puts you in ranked 8-19th.
"20 + frigates with harpoon"
13 Type 23 Do you have and they're old o must all be replaced, but the economy will not allow it bow 2021st
@MrCastodian I am sure our Navy woudl love all the new ships online, but it take a long time to modernise a Navy and lots of money. I think when the carriers come online the Type 45 will make more sense, but for now against pretty much everyone its a serious piece of kit, you cant really compare to the Kirov as they are not really going to see action against each other. For its specific roll....killing planes most think its about the best, if not the best.
@DoctorEnzo No one doubts your fleet capacity, the only thing I said is that ship is too dependent on other and that the UK fleet is much "worse" than in many years and dependent on others in major conflicts
And has not said it's a bad air defense, its one of the best, but not that it is the best ship, Kirov is a class of its own where Type-45 does not reach.
air defense capacity on Kirov is far to good, then the Kirov is a great ASW ship and they have the greatest punch against surface ships.
@DoctorEnzo It is very capable but not fully the best. The RIM-174 outclasses the Aster series of missiles in many ways, and the Evolved Sea Sparrow allows for great close in defense up to 50 km out.
And the Type 45's ability to strike land targets seriously limits it's capabilities, even with carriers.
But as for it being the best air to air ship, it probably isn't. Especially with more AEGIS BMD ships coming online (24 now, 38 in 2015).
But I think the Type 45 is best in NATO task forces.
@franknbeans4761 But the USA is in NATO....LOL i would not listen the USA release dates for anything, the F22 and F35 have been plauged by problems. But the 45 can enable Tomahawk, but I guess the Navy are leaving that to the Astute and the 45 to air defence. BMD or anti-ballistic missiles defence it primary role is not Anti Air.
@DoctorEnzo The USN has been fully on schedule for the AEGIS BMD systems and if anything has been doing it faster than anticipated. And ballistic missile defense is only one of their roles, they can do much more still.
@DoctorEnzo The USN has been fully on schedule for the AEGIS BMD systems and if anything has been doing it faster than anticipated. And ballistic missile defense is only one of their roles, they can do much more still.
@franknbeans4761 Saying which system is better and so on is still unporoven. For example the USA thought they had the best kit in GW1 until our little HMS Gloucester with our sea dart saved the Missouri.....Which was proablly the last time you saw a ship using its 16" guns, but again relic it was really used to launch tomahawks, these BIG ships are more trouble than they are worth.
@DoctorEnzo The Sea dart incident in GW1 is still 20 years old and has nothing to do with today. The US certainly didn't have as many AEGIS ships, and certainly did not have the same missile systems back then as it did today.
@DoctorEnzo The Sea dart incident in GW1 is still 20 years old and has nothing to do with today. The US certainly didn't have as many AEGIS ships, and certainly did not have the same missile systems back then as it did today.
@DoctorEnzo The Sea dart incident in GW1 is still 20 years old and has nothing to do with today. The US certainly didn't have as many AEGIS ships, and certainly did not have the same missile systems back then as it did today.
@DoctorEnzo The Sea dart incident in GW1 is still 20 years old and has nothing to do with today. The US certainly didn't have as many AEGIS ships, and certainly did not have the same missile systems back then as it did today.
@DoctorEnzo The Sea dart incident in GW1 is still 20 years old and has nothing to do with today. The US certainly didn't have as many AEGIS ships, and certainly did not have the same missile systems back then as it did today.
@MrCastodian But if you are asking how "effective they are" I think both are top of the game. If yo think the US have a better Anti Air destroyer, that fine, I doubt the 40 year old russians ones are better as you claim, but your welcome to debate.
Should they be building ships like the Type 45 and not making it Multi Role...thats another question.
The Royal Navy have plans for a future Navy so I guess they have given it some thought.
@DoctorEnzo " torpedoes are not that effective against surfaceships" tell that to the Argentinan Belgrano pride of their fleet, sent to the bottom....I am unsure what Naval warfare we have conducted since.....as after our sub sunk a surface ship they stayed in port so sub do work well.
They also worked very well for the Germans in WW2.
Who would have thought that subs would be used to attack targets on the mainland 2000KM with no nuclear warheads...but warfare changes
@DoctorEnzo Torpedoes vs. surface ships today is not as it was during the Falkland land war or WW2, developments have made it too costly to attack with torpedoes, they using missiles insted.
There is so much harder today to get within range with submarines so it's not worth the risk to attack with torpedoes, the benefits are too few in terms of chances of winning.
@DoctorEnzo Pyotr Velikiy That is flagship of the Russian Northern Fleet came into service in 1998, not 40 but 15 years old!
It alone can take care of many fleets in the world all by itself, it is the world's heaviest, hardest and most dangerous ships that sailed with the exception of them American aircraft carriers.
It is designed to sink carrier groups, and it is a real threat.
@MrCastodian The Kirov class is now near 40 years old in design. But I not disuputing it firepower, would not be the first time a Navy has had a HUGE flagship they THINK is unbeatable sunk to the bottom. But again goes back to your first issue "numbers" its a big bloody ocean....a lot smaller with allies we have like NATO
@DoctorEnzo The first design is 35 year, 2nd 28 year, 3rd 24 year, 4th 14 years!
Ticonderoga is 35 years, Nimitz is 37 years, Type-23 is 25 years old, they're bad ships too?
And it was not about that you had a lot of allies, this was about a ship, we have not discused NATO's dominance of world ocean, right? The dominance that i never questioned.
The MOD dont list "operational costs" in this figure, this states another £18Billion was allocated, for "operational costs" (wars) The figures are also in pounds not euros or dollars, aid is not included, other countries do have bases overseas you know.....
Also if we spent as you claim £43 billion this is in GBP its the same as $60 Billion
So how can you claim we are ninth, do you know where all other nations spend there money?
@DoctorEnzo Yes i know how they spend! Most of it is public, the rest can be found on diferent securety and analyst sites!
Unlike the other countries on the list, the U.S. and U.K. has spendings as the others dont have, it is mainly abroad troops and bases and military support to allies.
Countries in the top 10 as India, Saudi, Japan, China, France, Germany o Russia does not ave the cost of overseas service and bases in other countries, nor assistance to friendly dictators around the world.
@MrCastodian As regards the budgets this a MOD Quote "The additional net costs incurred on operations (for example in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya) are not paid for from the Defence Budget, but rather by the Special Government Reserve. Between 2001-02 and 2009-10, the Reserve has provided an additional £18Bn on top of the Defence Budget to cover operational costs."
These figures are not mine they are available for all.
@DoctorEnzo The English government website is the budget figures given separate and there is the budget of 43,634,700,000, then comes figures for various overseas operations and bases, and support for various governments.
You have a lot of names in different contexts, tink you have to live with the fact that people from other countries call you Englishmen and your country England, Great Britain, or United Kingdom or what ever you want to be called.
@wank0r The only thing that is "retard" is you, do you think the world is centered around you o your country?
There are quite a few people in the world that do not actually know what your country is called in different contexts, does not mean you are retard, uneducated or stupid.
But you might know what every countrys name is in different contexts or language?
@DoctorEnzo Kirov is equipped with 96 S-300FM that fires 48N6 missile at Mach 8.5 on a distance of 150km, is considered by many to be one of the world's best air defense system.
It also has 192 9K311 Tor, although it is seen as one of the best medium-range air defense.
They also has 44 OSA-MA short-range air defense.
Not to forget the 6 × CADS-N-1 Kashtan and 8 × AK-630 six-barreled Gatling.
They shoot down everything!
Dont forget 20 SS-N-19 Shipwreck which is a lot meaner than Harpoon.
@MrCastodian How many of the Kirovs are on the open waters as we speak? Which I guess answer how good Russia's fleet is really today? They have far more coatsline to protect also. Not sure if I would like to go on any russian nuclear built item. Now doubt it has severe firepower if everything works. But again you think the UK should buidl 12 of these types of ships?
@MrCastodian Then of course plans are on the table for UAV naval fleets carriers and so on....In 1982 we fought against Argentina, and even though we won our worst losses were from Aircraft hitting our ships, this is one reason the UK now have invested a lot in Anti Air ships, as it could flare up again soon. You will also know the role of Frigates, destroyers, and so on has changed so much since WW2 the names and class mean little in 2012.
@DoctorEnzo You can write whatever you want, but you miss what I write, or you do not care to read, I think, and quite a few experts believe the same, eaven English analysts and experts think that the Type 45, Type-23 and Astute fails their role in the Royal Navy, to few ships, the bad, too expensive and that you are too dependent.
@MrCastodian A few experts would say they are also amazing, I think the Royal Navy know a few things about ships. But you seem to think they need protection for say a US fleet. I dont see this. In fact who is going to have carrier groups in the next few years?
But they dont travel alone, they are specific Anti Air system, they have a frigates (with harpoon) and subs with Anti Ship/sub torperdo's. So I am unsure where the threats will come from?
@MrCastodian So with the Type 45 they control the air, with the Astue they control the sea, the Tomahawk has a 2,000Km range. They can carry anything up to a nuke, I think you are a bit hard on the capabilty of the Block IV. But of course subs dont fire Tomahawks at ships they fire Spearfish torpedos try out running one of these hull breakers.
@DoctorEnzo They do not control the air, they're trying to do it with their air defenses, but it's not that easy to shoot down anything that might come.
And Astue is primarily a submarine for submarine hunting, Sperfish is primarily a submarine hunting torpedo. And Tomahawk is a land attack missile, so no, Astue control no oceans.
@MrCastodian So....The Type 45 controls the Sky, and the Astute controls the seas, what more do you want? I know the carriers will be nice, and the new frigates and so on....But the if you can hit targets (inc ships in harbours) 2000KM away with Tomahawk, you can sink ships and subs with the Spearfish, and of couse cover the air with the TYPE45 what other forms of attacks are possible?
@MrCastodian But this ships is not a swiss army knife, and the cold war is over.....The Type 45 does not do everything. We know from our war with Argetntina numbers of boats and size mean shit, its all about killing the airtargets targets. This is designed for killing aircraft, and no ship in the world is better at the task. The days of broadsides is over ships are sunk by subs and missles and planes now, not 16" guns.
@MrCastodian Please tell me a ship better for Anti Air Warfare....I am confused what is your point. You think it cant hit a canoe, but thats wrong. You think it is a lame duck becuase it cant sail solo. But it has not need for Anti Ship roles with the Astute sub. This is a ship designed to work in our new fleet coming online in the next 10 years. You even think the Spearfish torpedo is not anti ship...LOL
@DoctorEnzo Here are four ships That are as good or better
Ticonderoga, Arleigh Burke, Sejong the Great, Kirov!
Astute is equipped with Tomahawk Block IV land-attack cruise missiles.
"You even think the Spearfish torpedo is not anti ship...LOL" Where did i wrot that? cant you read?
Wrote to Spearfish in the FIRST place was a submarine torpedo, Astute is designed primarily to hunt submarines, torpedoes are not that effective against surfaceships, you normally use missiles for that task.
@martinxization De Chuparle el pene a los ingleses sabran mejor los Argentinos que cualquier otro pueblo del mundo, insisto, deja de ser el ridiculo chicuelo, que la Argentina y su corrupto gobierno tienen peores problemas, ya tienen 64 muertos encimas con el accidente ferroviario, a ver si se ocupan de lo que es importante y dejan el temita de Malvinas de una vez y por todas en paz
How many missiles can these ships store, does anyone know? because I think it was 30 long range surface to air missiles and 15 close range and surely it must be able to reload, but from everything Ive seen it sounds as thow thats its total payload?
@thethreelions3 Interesting question - just been trying to find an answer - can't - its seems the launcher has 48 cells which can be filled with any mixture of 30's or 15's - but whether or not there is an armoury onboard from which the launcher can be reloaded its hard to tell?
This would mean to me that when all 48 are fired the ship needs rearming from a supply ship - I wonder if this is true?
@thethreelions3 Yeah think its true 48 max - other systems can used by other navies can "quad pack" missiles into there launchers increasing there arsenals up above the 100's (i don't know what the relative merits of the different missiles are
I think in the falklands the limiting factor will be argentinas ability to launch a "saturation" attack - they're severely restricted by their lack of refuelling tankers (pretty soft targets within the range of T45)
@bluemuleii so lets say 15 argentine fighters fire 4 missiles each, that would take up the entire payload, that doesnt seem very good and the argentine fighters can surely reach the falklands without refueling. Also I wonder how long the reloading process lasts and whether as you say there is some sort of armoury.
@thethreelions3 I was talking to an RG a little while ago and he said that due to refuelling "bottleneck" they couldn't have more than 6 fast jets in theatre at any one time
I don't think things have improved any for them since then 6 jets fire 6 missiles - thats already saturation as the ship can't deal with more than 10 targets at a time (although it can track loads more so constant prioritisation going on ) So if 6 jets fire two missiles each thats a saturation attack
@thethreelions3 I think the fighters need refuelling to give them reasonable combat time when they arrive in theatre otherwise they could only take off journey to the falklands and then go back immediately
Anyway - three waves of six fighters could completely deplete the ships resources then it has to retreat from range and rendevouz with supply ship or dock in port
At the same time it has to avoid any threat from submarines
@thethreelions3 Theres a video on YT with some admiral talking about Type 45's being world beaters etc fair enough it probably is in some ways - but he was talking about it shooting planes down as they took off - (it would have to be within 80km of the argentine coast to do this due to the range of the missiles) Thats got to be a dangerous place to put a 1billion pound asset
It could only safely operate with a anti submarine screen - how many frigates + subs would be required?
@bluemuleii I think that this is the ships purpose tbh to guard ports and the Aircraft cariers, that way they can be reloaded and guarded from subs or other ships. And I think this ship could probably out range the fighters and its so stealthy that it appears like a small fishing vessel on radar. in the falklands case im sure there are rapier systems in place to share the load.
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS track after removal of the typfoon are canceled and we have to do it without sanding any plane , and not even sanding the diamond , dragon ,daring ,could defend it ,as you do not have an aircraft carrier aviation and modern embarcada little will be able to do.
Usted nunca ganar una guerra contra estados unidos y su país nunca será respetada como una nación porque vuestro pueblo son débiles y están ocupadas corning de carne de vacuno. Por lo tanto fuck de chupar pene lol. También este sucio español que yo uso para hablar con usted está asqueroso Latina de cerdo.
what a magnificent ship... a real flag flyer!! the most advanced, most powerful warship on any waters.. and we have 4, with another 4 to be made... the pheonix rises again my british brothers and sisters!!
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS if they want to come ...come we will present battle ¿aircraft until as late as 2030 ? SEA HARRIER out F35F VERY DIFFICULT ¿ harry poter ?
my mate changed the barrels on the five inch guns on the glamorgan as it pounded shit out of the argie postions on goose green before the SAS went in and mopped up the scum that was left ...
3 barrel changes over 150 arti rounds from one gun lol
@68PitMan MALVINAS ARGENTINAS as you think malvinas defend a carrier without planes whe we recover the malvinas,think coming ia a broom like harry potter
@masacradordekelper we dont need a air craft carrier not with the dauntless patrolling ...it can knock out the air every single aircraft you launch the moment its in the air and what the fuck has a fucking imaginary wizard got to do with it !!!! or do you think you can use magic against the mighty Dauntless,,,you backward people are funny ...whats it like living in a favela snorting cocaine thinking of battles you wont win ?? fucking dumb asse .
@masacradordekelper no but there is approx 2,000 war hardend british soldiers there, this type 45 can wipe your entire airforce before they have left your runways lol... you won't make it across the waters the falklands!!
@chezzylee MALVINAS ARGENTINAS our old planes , have slam ulises 60 MN the typo 45 has only 32 MN ,the plane could not even down ,slam ulisses was created by citefa to knock aut a typo units illustrius 20 000 tn .en 2003 impact has capabilities semi submersible units, cameron redujo su presupuesto militar y anulo futuros proyectos
@masacradordekelper the type 45 is capable of wiping out the entire south american airforces combined... what makes you think your 1960's jets are capable of taking on THE MOST ADVANCED WARSHIP IN THE WORLD?
and that's before we let loose four of the MOST ADVANCED FIGHTER JETS TO DATE, the typhoons... if all else fails, which is unlikely.. i'm sure we have our astute class nuclear submarine some where sharking about your waters!!
@chezzylee MALVINAS ARGENTINAS slam ulises have 60 MN and missiles to distraction mantran that dock and follown the ulises , the aster 30 have alcanse for 32 MN , and no disparo capasidad of multiple soy un analista militar saludos.
on hearing of the death of 48 argenitines in a rail way crash i want to give the argientine nation my sincere thought s of JOY bitches that 48 less of our enemy live ...lol go argie engineering .....rahhhhhhhhhh
'The Argentinian navy has been secretly upgrading its fleet in anticipation of hostilities..the two rubber dinghys in question are apparrently on order and should be delivered shortly!
@victornari1 We will have 6 when they are all finished and commissioned, although 12 had previously been planned. HMS Daring, Dauntless, Diamond, Defender, Dragon & Duncan. HMS Daring is in the middle east area.
i know you contry kill inocent children in irak motherfucker come to argentina to kill me son come on!!!!!! motherfucker me destroy yours nuclearplant and you contry be radiactivus for all time motherfucker asasin the kelper are argentino
@martinxization The Exocet missile is now over 30 years old. These 21st century destroyers with the Sea Viper system accompanied by the PAMMS system would make mince meat of the entire South American airforce. These detroyers can automatically track and prioritize 1000 targets the size of a golf ball (travelling in excess of mach 3.0) out to around 500 miles. This, as well as other assets we have is why Argentina was crying to the UN a week ago and why you are here lulz
@martinxization 255 uk killed .... 649 argies killed and you surrended so get fucked you cowards .... you wanna fight !!! then your gonna die ...every women every child child and all your coward men will die in a nuclear blizzard we should send you
@masacradordekelper Im sorry old chap...could you repeat that speaking the Queens....we dont understand Macho latino speak....Anyone for a cup of tea what???!!
@martinxization Wait, you mean the Exocet's that you were too retarded to manufaxture yourself, so you bought them from the French, and they STILL backstabbed you by telling us their weaknesses? Oh yes! Those Exocets, did I mention that far more scummy Argentine morons died during the war as opposed to British, I'm sure you know this, as your nation is far less capable of launching any sort of attack on our territory than they were in 1982.
@beechey145 martinxization you good sir are a proper Cunt. Lol look at his page , every vid is about the british and hes posted the same message over and over. The only good thing to come out of your country is corned beef and thats still shit.
@martinxization Hey Dago, Belgrano sunk by old 1950s torps. You don't wanna know what the new ones can do..... more Argie fish food. Fat fishies for Falklanders to catch
@SuperAncientmariner funny i was talking to a mate today who was on HMS Glamorgan in the falklands war and he laughed his head off telling me abnout the Belgrano sinking like a stone from a old world war two torpedo lol
@SuperAncientmariner i dont have a ounce of sympathy for our bitter enemy ... and i dont joke when i say oblitorate the entire argie nation with nukes ..... they are rats so let them live like rats
@martinxization Usted nunca ganar una guerra contra estados unidos y su país nunca será respetada como una nación porque vuestro pueblo son débiles y están ocupadas corning de carne de vacuno. Por lo tanto fuck de chupar pene lol. También este sucio español que yo uso para hablar con usted está asqueroso Latina de cerdo.
Why dont we nuke the falklands and then no one can have them? That would sort out the Argentine claim on them. Would'nt stop UK drilling for oil though ;-)
The only reason Argentina want the Islands is because they are close to Argentina. It's like England saying they want France because it's only 30 KM away. Ridiculous.
Oh I forgot. another reason they want it now is because they've discovered OIL
@VelperK - You say Argentina is'nt perfect for failing to treat the natives fairly by giving them 80% of Argentina (after all it is their land not yours). Well the UK is'nt perfect either so until you give the natives back their land, why should the UK give back the Falklands?
MrFattyfatboy - Dont you think "the poms" had enough on their plate with Hitler planning to invade? And I think you do owe them your nation as without those "bastard poms" it would'nt exist as you know it.
Im Australian and were buying AEGIS so we can operate with the yanks who saved us from the japs when england deserted us to them, now ive got some spanish dick telling me wh
God bless the sailors of HMS Dauntless, may the sailors drink the blood and feast on the flesh of everyman argnetine man woman and child.
May its missiles strike terror and into the hearts of Argentinians for decades to come.
ScottishCaledonian 18 hours ago
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Falk-ceremony as last of 20000 Arg. mines on islands
Arg -try to change "1999 accord" to regulate flights to falklands
UK Govt.-Falkland Govt. will decide on Arg. planned flights
Falk.-who decided on cruise ban?
ARG.-Arg. Mayor blasts own Govt "This is not democracy"
EU vice-chairman,- All EU aid to Arg. should stop while The Falklands are threatened
Arg.-govt boycott UK imports
Arg.-Govt opposition and UK, blast over cruise ban
Arg.-bars two cruises UK & US owned,"Economic Suicide"
ashyk72 1 day ago
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS come in a destroyer and return swim
masacradordekelper 2 days ago
@masacradordekelper. A nice victory swim after this beauty shoots down all your 70's era warplanes. Have fun losing another war. ;)
mr9396 1 day ago
Whats the name of the music track playing in the background?
zgrillo2004 2 days ago
@zgrillo2004 .... Nurse!
matthewmasters2612 18 hours ago
@matthewmasters2612 If you aint going to help, then dont reply. that wasnt part of my question.......
zgrillo2004 15 hours ago
nukethe argies ... every main city kill our enemy and then prblem solved ...fuck the srgies they deserve to reap what they sow ...kill them all men woman and there seed..... nuclear wipe out from north to south
68PitMan 3 days ago
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS
masacradordekelper 4 days ago
@masacradordekelper never herd of the place ?
Tony2438 2 days ago
I love you Type 45!
gavinberriman 4 days ago
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UK aid to argentina = £450 million over 12 years, Argentina has untold reserves of their own, UK citizens face cut back after cut back across the board and our government havent finished.
why is the UK giving so much financial aid to Argentina who are so against UK interests?
If like me you are sickened by this news, you would be glad to know the UK government website has an e-petition.
google: Overseas Aid Assessment
Do your bit, spread this message, this cannot be allowed to continue.
ashyk72 5 days ago
malvinas argentinas!!!! odio inglaterra
29578guille 6 days ago
Can certainly be a good ship, but do not think it has the standard as some would believe (English)
Type 45 can not act independently, does not even have weapons to sink ships so it is in great need to have more ships around them, then it is not the savior that Englishmen think, too few ships in the UK navy to project power when it only gets 6 Type 45, with only 16 frigates that can strike at ships with an quite old and slow Anti Ship missile with a short range that is quite easy to shoot down.
MrCastodian 6 days ago
@MrCastodian Agreed. The British Navy is not living up to the standards it usually had.
Especially with the loss of the Harrier (which wasn't exceptional to begin with) and the issues you said.
I cannot see them solving any of these problems in the next 10 years too.
franknbeans4761 6 days ago
@MrCastodian Naval warfare is not going to be who has the biggest guns or most ships, if so we would be putting 16" guns on these, but your wont see broadside shots coming in the future wars. This tyep of warfare all was over in the 1950's.
Now we use subs to take out ships, gear like the Astute class subs we have. This Type 45 is used to destroy the enemies airforce, and will form part of our new carrier groups in the coming decade.
DoctorEnzo 5 days ago
@DoctorEnzo Type 45 can not even sink a canoe, it is totally dependent on the escort, can not take a modern ship seriously if it is dependent on other ships for survival.
The Future Royal Navy has six destroyers, six submarines, and so far 13 frigates (more to be scrapped), then two aircraft carriers from 2016 and 2018.
I do not call a force that can project power.
It is totally dependent on the U.S. Navy to be a direct threat to the bigger o stronger nations around the world.
MrCastodian 5 days ago
@MrCastodian What year do you live in? One where ships roam solo and perform every task in the Navy?
What navies can you see the UK going up against? Iran? Argentina? HAHAH
We can destroy entire airforces with one ship now, entire navies with 1 sub. When we get our new carriers (how many do you have again?) its a formidable force.
Our tridetns have a range of 18,000Km is that enough projection for you?
Why would we not work with the USA we are allies?
DoctorEnzo 5 days ago
@DoctorEnzo No, i can not see you going up against Iran becuse you cant trade Them.
Yes, you destroy entire airforces and navies, but you cant pick a faight with a "real" oponent.
"How many Do you have again?"
What have That to do with it? Have a said That Sweden is a better nation when it comes to navy?
Trident project no power, it is only a deterrent weapon.
And of corse you should work with U.S, but it was not what I said, I think it is an inferior fleet because you are depending on them.
MrCastodian 5 days ago
@DoctorEnzoWill the Royal Navy come close to its former glory, it must be put into larger solutions on both surface forces and submarines.
Not to say that it is bad, absolutely not, but it is very suited to being merely a support fleet.
And history has shown that only bet on a ship that is simplistic in its design can punish himself in the long run when in the reality war do not always go after the plans and they may one day stand without his escort.
MrCastodian 5 days ago
@MrCastodian Former Glory....LOL we have the best destroyers and subs in the world , yes we dont need the numbers but who do we have to fight??? The awesome naval power of Sweden?
Course its part of a fleet, but you just dont roll every ship out at the same time, how many carriers you see floating around solo....NONE
It does a escort...its called Astute class sub, you dont see them as they operate under water....LOL
DoctorEnzo 5 days ago
@DoctorEnzo No, You think you have that, a big differens, show me som solid facts that backs up that statement.
And once again, what has Sweden to do with it?
Carriers? I dont recall that i have mention somthing about Carriers? i said that Typ-42 and Typ-23 cant sail solo in a war.
MrCastodian 5 days ago
@MrCastodian I dont think Sweden has a better Navy than the UK, but hey your are weclome to think what you want.
The Type 45 is not meant to be a solo ship, its part of our new fleet. Type 45, Astute, QE Carrier, Type 26, they are not all on line at the same time, it takes a long time to bring them all into service. Yes in a full fleet it will be the even better, but until then we will have to make do with the Type 45 and Sub and exisiting kit.
DoctorEnzo 5 days ago
@DoctorEnzo Where have I said that Sweden has a great fleet? Why should you mix in Sweden in the whole thing?
I know what your ships are for, dosent make it diferent from what i said.
MrCastodian 5 days ago
@MrCastodian As for "Type 45 can not even sink a canoe" Well maybe you would like to try this theroy out....you get a canoe and I will ask the RN do they want some target practice.
I am sure you would fair well against
4.5in gun good up to 20 miles
Phalanx 3000 rounds per minute
30MM Gun
Then of course you need to get past the Lynx mark 8 and Astute Subs with Tomahawks.
Will this special canoe be made by Saab? I will inform the RN of this canoe threat. LOL
DoctorEnzo 5 days ago
@DoctorEnzo You understand that it was an exaggeration by canoe huh, or did you take it seriously?
Perhaps to explain so you understand better, Type-45 may never sail alone becuse they have no anti-ship capability.
Besides, Tomahawk Block IV suplied to UK can not hit a canoe or a ship, its fore land attack.....
MrCastodian 5 days ago
@MrCastodian First off if a canoe packed with islamic bombers tried to ram it any of these could deal with it.
4.5in gun good up to 20 miles
Phalanx 3000 rounds per minute
30MM Gun
All of these are secondary weapons for close range. AS the TYPE 45 is mainly a AA platform.
I dont think understand they dont sail alone....they will have a sub close, you just dont see them. We have 6 Type 45 and 7 Astues planned. Now the Astue is a Anti Ship platform.
DoctorEnzo 5 days ago
@DoctorEnzo Astue is only a torpedo carying sub, thats not a big threat Against a larger naval force.
I know they do not sail alone with that, because they can not do that, thats my point.
When their escort is sunk they stand there themselves.
MrCastodian 5 days ago
@MrCastodian Yeah Sweden have huge coastline and smaller population, so your fleet is designed for the type of combat you see, you have fast small agile boats. Or really its for defence or for fast deployment.
We dont have the vast fleets as before. The USA had 750 ships in the 80's now they have 270. Times change the cold war is over Russia is not the threat it once was.
DoctorEnzo 4 days ago
@DoctorEnzo You must be a bit slow I think, answer this, will you, if you can read!
What has Sveriga to do with this??
What has all that you say this to do with it? does not dispute any of it.
I have questioned the Type-45 and its and has questioned astute and its effectiveness, nothing else.
MrCastodian 4 days ago
@MrCastodian The only thing the ship is missing is anti ship missles, but I guess the Royal Navy assume it wont be fighting ships. I am sure they could strap some on the side, but again this will have been thought about and this is a dedicated anti air platform.
As for the other ships you mention, the Russian Kirovs are OLD how many do they have again in service? The S Korean is a US clone, and really the US ships have some nice kit I am sure as does the 45 which is brand new.
DoctorEnzo 4 days ago
@DoctorEnzo "but again this will have been thought about" Is just that analysts believe is the problem with the Type 45, the Navy saved money for the benefit of the ship's safety.
Kirov's just upgraded so it is not old, and it has nothing to do with how many they have, you asked which ones were better, not quantity.
Does it matter if it is a clone? it's still as good or better.
"I am sure as does the 45"
Oh yes, I have not said anything else, one of the best, but not the best, big difference.
MrCastodian 4 days ago
@MrCastodian you dnt know what your talking about each type 45 cost 1 billion pounds and it is the most advanced destroyer in world and specfic to shooting dwn planes and air contacts, kirov's is not even in service and its a crusier not a destoryer its no where near as advanced as a single type 46 and an astute class attack sub can listen on traffic 3000 miles away and would is more than capable of sinking any surface ship or sub, .especially a rusty old crusier that should been replaced
stewsterni 4 days ago
@stewsterni Show me an independent analysis that describes what you just wrote please, the smallest report describing the Kirov as a bad ship, or that describes the Type-45 is the world's best ships, and please find an analysis that describes how good the Astute on sink ships, such as the Kirov :)
MrCastodian 4 days ago
@MrCastodian who independently grades warships? are you a moron? your trying to compare a rusty heap shit, to an advanced destroyer, the princples the type45 was built on came from falklands war, you couldnt even afford to decommission the kirov, and the british are only people to sink a ship using a submarine in modern warfare, so you know nothing and talking about a terrible boat that cant even leave anchor you are a moron.
stewsterni 3 days ago
@stewsterni "who independently grades warships?" Those who posted this video, all who wrote before, the one i did not agre to?
If you cant speak normally, find someone else to write to! dont like to be called a moron.
MrCastodian 3 days ago
@MrCastodian listen m8 your a moron you talk of military spending when UK is by Stockholm International Peace Research Institute ranked 3rd and has lower gdp spent of defense compared to russia, it has a far smaller navy and it is far more advanced, the type 45 is new generation of destroyer, and you compare it to a heap shit crusier that wasn't decommissioned because it cost to much so was kept in dock till it can be refitted! you sir are a bloody moron who should check his facts.
stewsterni 2 days ago
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@MrCastodian listen m8 your a moron you talk of military spending when UK is by Stockholm International Peace Research Institute ranked 3rd and has lower gdp spent of defense compared to russia, it has a far smaller navy and it is far more advanced, the type 45 is new generation of destroyer, and you compare it to a heap shit crusier that wasn't decommissioned because it cost to much so was kept in dock till it can be refitted! you sir are a bloody moron who should check his facts.
stewsterni 2 days ago
@stewsterni The Type 45 is good but only to an extent. I would much rather have an Arleigh Burke Class destroyer that not only has more VLS but also carries land attack missiles. And with the RIM-174 and Evolved Sea Sparrow, the Arleigh Burke DDG could possibly have better anti-aircraft and anti-cruise missile abilities. Let alone the AEGIS BMD models with RIM-161's.
But in terms of overall abilities, the single Kirov Class Battlecruiser is one of the best.
franknbeans4761 4 days ago
@franknbeans4761 dnt make me laugh? type 45 is made to shot dwn planes and missles to protect carriers, it can carry tomahawk missles so it can strike land targets which it is not built to do in first place it can track 1000 targets and engage 46 at once, kirov cant even do 1/6th of that so come back when you build new ship.
stewsterni 3 days ago
@MrCastodian I am not slow. Where did I mention "Sveriga"?
Please question the Type 45 and Astute, I agree they are expenisve, but we need more. But still the UK has the third largest military budget in the world, more than Russia. I guess with the current threats they assume Anti Air shoudl be served with a Type 45 and leave the ship killing to one of the 20+ frigates with harpoon, or the subs.
DoctorEnzo 4 days ago
@DoctorEnzo Sorry, forgot to translate "Sverige"! should be Sweden!
"third largest military budget"
Not realy true, you have such a big budget becuse its included expensive foreign bases, service abroad, and support package to the allies, unlike the others in the Top 10 list.
the actual budget puts you in ranked 8-19th.
"20 + frigates with harpoon"
13 Type 23 Do you have and they're old o must all be replaced, but the economy will not allow it bow 2021st
MrCastodian 4 days ago
@MrCastodian I am sure our Navy woudl love all the new ships online, but it take a long time to modernise a Navy and lots of money. I think when the carriers come online the Type 45 will make more sense, but for now against pretty much everyone its a serious piece of kit, you cant really compare to the Kirov as they are not really going to see action against each other. For its specific roll....killing planes most think its about the best, if not the best.
DoctorEnzo 4 days ago
@DoctorEnzo No one doubts your fleet capacity, the only thing I said is that ship is too dependent on other and that the UK fleet is much "worse" than in many years and dependent on others in major conflicts
And has not said it's a bad air defense, its one of the best, but not that it is the best ship, Kirov is a class of its own where Type-45 does not reach.
air defense capacity on Kirov is far to good, then the Kirov is a great ASW ship and they have the greatest punch against surface ships.
MrCastodian 4 days ago
@DoctorEnzo It is very capable but not fully the best. The RIM-174 outclasses the Aster series of missiles in many ways, and the Evolved Sea Sparrow allows for great close in defense up to 50 km out.
And the Type 45's ability to strike land targets seriously limits it's capabilities, even with carriers.
But as for it being the best air to air ship, it probably isn't. Especially with more AEGIS BMD ships coming online (24 now, 38 in 2015).
But I think the Type 45 is best in NATO task forces.
franknbeans4761 4 days ago
@franknbeans4761 But the USA is in NATO....LOL i would not listen the USA release dates for anything, the F22 and F35 have been plauged by problems. But the 45 can enable Tomahawk, but I guess the Navy are leaving that to the Astute and the 45 to air defence. BMD or anti-ballistic missiles defence it primary role is not Anti Air.
DoctorEnzo 3 days ago
@DoctorEnzo The USN has been fully on schedule for the AEGIS BMD systems and if anything has been doing it faster than anticipated. And ballistic missile defense is only one of their roles, they can do much more still.
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@DoctorEnzo The USN has been fully on schedule for the AEGIS BMD systems and if anything has been doing it faster than anticipated. And ballistic missile defense is only one of their roles, they can do much more still.
franknbeans4761 3 days ago
@franknbeans4761 Saying which system is better and so on is still unporoven. For example the USA thought they had the best kit in GW1 until our little HMS Gloucester with our sea dart saved the Missouri.....Which was proablly the last time you saw a ship using its 16" guns, but again relic it was really used to launch tomahawks, these BIG ships are more trouble than they are worth.
DoctorEnzo 3 days ago
@DoctorEnzo The Sea dart incident in GW1 is still 20 years old and has nothing to do with today. The US certainly didn't have as many AEGIS ships, and certainly did not have the same missile systems back then as it did today.
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@DoctorEnzo The Sea dart incident in GW1 is still 20 years old and has nothing to do with today. The US certainly didn't have as many AEGIS ships, and certainly did not have the same missile systems back then as it did today.
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@DoctorEnzo The Sea dart incident in GW1 is still 20 years old and has nothing to do with today. The US certainly didn't have as many AEGIS ships, and certainly did not have the same missile systems back then as it did today.
franknbeans4761 3 days ago
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@DoctorEnzo The Sea dart incident in GW1 is still 20 years old and has nothing to do with today. The US certainly didn't have as many AEGIS ships, and certainly did not have the same missile systems back then as it did today.
franknbeans4761 3 days ago
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@DoctorEnzo The Sea dart incident in GW1 is still 20 years old and has nothing to do with today. The US certainly didn't have as many AEGIS ships, and certainly did not have the same missile systems back then as it did today.
franknbeans4761 3 days ago
@MrCastodian But if you are asking how "effective they are" I think both are top of the game. If yo think the US have a better Anti Air destroyer, that fine, I doubt the 40 year old russians ones are better as you claim, but your welcome to debate.
Should they be building ships like the Type 45 and not making it Multi Role...thats another question.
The Royal Navy have plans for a future Navy so I guess they have given it some thought.
DoctorEnzo 4 days ago
@DoctorEnzo " torpedoes are not that effective against surfaceships" tell that to the Argentinan Belgrano pride of their fleet, sent to the bottom....I am unsure what Naval warfare we have conducted since.....as after our sub sunk a surface ship they stayed in port so sub do work well.
They also worked very well for the Germans in WW2.
Who would have thought that subs would be used to attack targets on the mainland 2000KM with no nuclear warheads...but warfare changes
DoctorEnzo 4 days ago
@DoctorEnzo Torpedoes vs. surface ships today is not as it was during the Falkland land war or WW2, developments have made it too costly to attack with torpedoes, they using missiles insted.
There is so much harder today to get within range with submarines so it's not worth the risk to attack with torpedoes, the benefits are too few in terms of chances of winning.
Torpedos is to hunt subs with.
MrCastodian 4 days ago
@DoctorEnzo Pyotr Velikiy That is flagship of the Russian Northern Fleet came into service in 1998, not 40 but 15 years old!
It alone can take care of many fleets in the world all by itself, it is the world's heaviest, hardest and most dangerous ships that sailed with the exception of them American aircraft carriers.
It is designed to sink carrier groups, and it is a real threat.
MrCastodian 4 days ago
@MrCastodian The Kirov class is now near 40 years old in design. But I not disuputing it firepower, would not be the first time a Navy has had a HUGE flagship they THINK is unbeatable sunk to the bottom. But again goes back to your first issue "numbers" its a big bloody ocean....a lot smaller with allies we have like NATO
DoctorEnzo 4 days ago
@DoctorEnzo The first design is 35 year, 2nd 28 year, 3rd 24 year, 4th 14 years!
Ticonderoga is 35 years, Nimitz is 37 years, Type-23 is 25 years old, they're bad ships too?
And it was not about that you had a lot of allies, this was about a ship, we have not discused NATO's dominance of world ocean, right? The dominance that i never questioned.
MrCastodian 4 days ago
@MrCastodian You are wrong on the figures.
The MOD dont list "operational costs" in this figure, this states another £18Billion was allocated, for "operational costs" (wars) The figures are also in pounds not euros or dollars, aid is not included, other countries do have bases overseas you know.....
Also if we spent as you claim £43 billion this is in GBP its the same as $60 Billion
So how can you claim we are ninth, do you know where all other nations spend there money?
DoctorEnzo 3 days ago
@DoctorEnzo Yes i know how they spend! Most of it is public, the rest can be found on diferent securety and analyst sites!
Unlike the other countries on the list, the U.S. and U.K. has spendings as the others dont have, it is mainly abroad troops and bases and military support to allies.
Countries in the top 10 as India, Saudi, Japan, China, France, Germany o Russia does not ave the cost of overseas service and bases in other countries, nor assistance to friendly dictators around the world.
MrCastodian 3 days ago
@MrCastodian As regards the budgets this a MOD Quote "The additional net costs incurred on operations (for example in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya) are not paid for from the Defence Budget, but rather by the Special Government Reserve. Between 2001-02 and 2009-10, the Reserve has provided an additional £18Bn on top of the Defence Budget to cover operational costs."
These figures are not mine they are available for all.
DoctorEnzo 4 days ago
@DoctorEnzo The English government website is the budget figures given separate and there is the budget of 43,634,700,000, then comes figures for various overseas operations and bases, and support for various governments.
Total 43,634,700,000, puts you in rank ninth
MrCastodian 4 days ago
@MrCastodian English??
wank0r 4 days ago
@wank0r English what?
MrCastodian 3 days ago
@MrCastodian There is no "English" Govemrent.
This sovereign state is the United Kingdom.. Our government has English, Scottish, Welsh a and N.Irish members
wank0r 3 days ago
@wank0r Who cares?
You have a lot of names in different contexts, tink you have to live with the fact that people from other countries call you Englishmen and your country England, Great Britain, or United Kingdom or what ever you want to be called.
MrCastodian 3 days ago
@MrCastodian Are you a retard?
England is a State. the United Kingdom is the nation you're refering to. On our passport it says "British"...
wank0r 3 days ago
@wank0r The only thing that is "retard" is you, do you think the world is centered around you o your country?
There are quite a few people in the world that do not actually know what your country is called in different contexts, does not mean you are retard, uneducated or stupid.
But you might know what every countrys name is in different contexts or language?
MrCastodian 3 days ago
@MrCastodian There is no "context" that is disputed/confusing when referring to a sovereign nation state on the same level as say.. Sweden
United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland - British
That's all you need to worry about :)
wank0r 3 days ago
@wank0r Exactly Right.Even if Slippy Salmond had his way. IF the dainty English were to be invaded, THEN THE BEST OF BRITAIN SHOULD FIGHT THEIR WAY.
cosmictimes 3 days ago
@wank0r Yer Right, But for some reason Sweden always seems to get mucked into British Affairrs. This is Britain and not Scandanavia.
cosmictimes 3 days ago
@DoctorEnzo Kirov is equipped with 96 S-300FM that fires 48N6 missile at Mach 8.5 on a distance of 150km, is considered by many to be one of the world's best air defense system.
It also has 192 9K311 Tor, although it is seen as one of the best medium-range air defense.
They also has 44 OSA-MA short-range air defense.
Not to forget the 6 × CADS-N-1 Kashtan and 8 × AK-630 six-barreled Gatling.
They shoot down everything!
Dont forget 20 SS-N-19 Shipwreck which is a lot meaner than Harpoon.
MrCastodian 4 days ago
@MrCastodian How many of the Kirovs are on the open waters as we speak? Which I guess answer how good Russia's fleet is really today? They have far more coatsline to protect also. Not sure if I would like to go on any russian nuclear built item. Now doubt it has severe firepower if everything works. But again you think the UK should buidl 12 of these types of ships?
DoctorEnzo 4 days ago
@DoctorEnzo 2 are in service, and 2 would be refitted and back in service by 2016-18.
And how does that prove the quality of a fleet if may ??
Why would not it work if I may ask?
And build 12 of what the ship?
MrCastodian 4 days ago
@DoctorEnzo When all the type-45 and Astute are in service then also 4 upgraded Kirov is in service.
And thats is too much to handel for Royal Navy theoretically.
MrCastodian 4 days ago
@MrCastodian Then of course plans are on the table for UAV naval fleets carriers and so on....In 1982 we fought against Argentina, and even though we won our worst losses were from Aircraft hitting our ships, this is one reason the UK now have invested a lot in Anti Air ships, as it could flare up again soon. You will also know the role of Frigates, destroyers, and so on has changed so much since WW2 the names and class mean little in 2012.
DoctorEnzo 4 days ago
@DoctorEnzo You can write whatever you want, but you miss what I write, or you do not care to read, I think, and quite a few experts believe the same, eaven English analysts and experts think that the Type 45, Type-23 and Astute fails their role in the Royal Navy, to few ships, the bad, too expensive and that you are too dependent.
MrCastodian 4 days ago
@MrCastodian A few experts would say they are also amazing, I think the Royal Navy know a few things about ships. But you seem to think they need protection for say a US fleet. I dont see this. In fact who is going to have carrier groups in the next few years?
But they dont travel alone, they are specific Anti Air system, they have a frigates (with harpoon) and subs with Anti Ship/sub torperdo's. So I am unsure where the threats will come from?
DoctorEnzo 4 days ago
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MrCastodian 4 days ago
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@DoctorEnzo Please present analysis where they say the Type 45 is as good as you claim, independent analysts o experts?
"So I am unsure elsewhere the Threats will come from?"
India, China, Russia?
In a longer perspektive, Egypt, Turky, Iran, Pakistan?
MrCastodian 4 days ago
@MrCastodian So with the Type 45 they control the air, with the Astue they control the sea, the Tomahawk has a 2,000Km range. They can carry anything up to a nuke, I think you are a bit hard on the capabilty of the Block IV. But of course subs dont fire Tomahawks at ships they fire Spearfish torpedos try out running one of these hull breakers.
DoctorEnzo 5 days ago
@DoctorEnzo They do not control the air, they're trying to do it with their air defenses, but it's not that easy to shoot down anything that might come.
And Astue is primarily a submarine for submarine hunting, Sperfish is primarily a submarine hunting torpedo. And Tomahawk is a land attack missile, so no, Astue control no oceans.
MrCastodian 5 days ago
@MrCastodian So....The Type 45 controls the Sky, and the Astute controls the seas, what more do you want? I know the carriers will be nice, and the new frigates and so on....But the if you can hit targets (inc ships in harbours) 2000KM away with Tomahawk, you can sink ships and subs with the Spearfish, and of couse cover the air with the TYPE45 what other forms of attacks are possible?
We know canoe attacks wont work....lol
DoctorEnzo 4 days ago
@MrCastodian But this ships is not a swiss army knife, and the cold war is over.....The Type 45 does not do everything. We know from our war with Argetntina numbers of boats and size mean shit, its all about killing the airtargets targets. This is designed for killing aircraft, and no ship in the world is better at the task. The days of broadsides is over ships are sunk by subs and missles and planes now, not 16" guns.
Sweden require different things from their Navy.
DoctorEnzo 5 days ago
@DoctorEnzo
Now you mix in Sweden again, do you have a thing for Swedes? "and no ship in the world is better at the task"
Cant you prove it to me, please, for I can think of several ships that are better then your Type 45.
"The days of broad sides is over"
Have i said something else?
MrCastodian 5 days ago
@MrCastodian Please tell me a ship better for Anti Air Warfare....I am confused what is your point. You think it cant hit a canoe, but thats wrong. You think it is a lame duck becuase it cant sail solo. But it has not need for Anti Ship roles with the Astute sub. This is a ship designed to work in our new fleet coming online in the next 10 years. You even think the Spearfish torpedo is not anti ship...LOL
DoctorEnzo 4 days ago
@DoctorEnzo Here are four ships That are as good or better
Ticonderoga, Arleigh Burke, Sejong the Great, Kirov!
Astute is equipped with Tomahawk Block IV land-attack cruise missiles.
"You even think the Spearfish torpedo is not anti ship...LOL" Where did i wrot that? cant you read?
Wrote to Spearfish in the FIRST place was a submarine torpedo, Astute is designed primarily to hunt submarines, torpedoes are not that effective against surfaceships, you normally use missiles for that task.
MrCastodian 4 days ago
@martinxization De Chuparle el pene a los ingleses sabran mejor los Argentinos que cualquier otro pueblo del mundo, insisto, deja de ser el ridiculo chicuelo, que la Argentina y su corrupto gobierno tienen peores problemas, ya tienen 64 muertos encimas con el accidente ferroviario, a ver si se ocupan de lo que es importante y dejan el temita de Malvinas de una vez y por todas en paz
XxLIVRAxX 1 week ago
How many missiles can these ships store, does anyone know? because I think it was 30 long range surface to air missiles and 15 close range and surely it must be able to reload, but from everything Ive seen it sounds as thow thats its total payload?
thethreelions3 1 week ago
@thethreelions3 Interesting question - just been trying to find an answer - can't - its seems the launcher has 48 cells which can be filled with any mixture of 30's or 15's - but whether or not there is an armoury onboard from which the launcher can be reloaded its hard to tell?
This would mean to me that when all 48 are fired the ship needs rearming from a supply ship - I wonder if this is true?
bluemuleii 1 week ago
@thethreelions3 Yeah think its true 48 max - other systems can used by other navies can "quad pack" missiles into there launchers increasing there arsenals up above the 100's (i don't know what the relative merits of the different missiles are
I think in the falklands the limiting factor will be argentinas ability to launch a "saturation" attack - they're severely restricted by their lack of refuelling tankers (pretty soft targets within the range of T45)
bluemuleii 1 week ago
@bluemuleii so lets say 15 argentine fighters fire 4 missiles each, that would take up the entire payload, that doesnt seem very good and the argentine fighters can surely reach the falklands without refueling. Also I wonder how long the reloading process lasts and whether as you say there is some sort of armoury.
thethreelions3 1 week ago
@thethreelions3 I was talking to an RG a little while ago and he said that due to refuelling "bottleneck" they couldn't have more than 6 fast jets in theatre at any one time
I don't think things have improved any for them since then 6 jets fire 6 missiles - thats already saturation as the ship can't deal with more than 10 targets at a time (although it can track loads more so constant prioritisation going on ) So if 6 jets fire two missiles each thats a saturation attack
bluemuleii 1 week ago
@thethreelions3 I think the fighters need refuelling to give them reasonable combat time when they arrive in theatre otherwise they could only take off journey to the falklands and then go back immediately
Anyway - three waves of six fighters could completely deplete the ships resources then it has to retreat from range and rendevouz with supply ship or dock in port
At the same time it has to avoid any threat from submarines
bluemuleii 1 week ago
@thethreelions3 Theres a video on YT with some admiral talking about Type 45's being world beaters etc fair enough it probably is in some ways - but he was talking about it shooting planes down as they took off - (it would have to be within 80km of the argentine coast to do this due to the range of the missiles) Thats got to be a dangerous place to put a 1billion pound asset
It could only safely operate with a anti submarine screen - how many frigates + subs would be required?
bluemuleii 1 week ago
@thethreelions3 The amount of bullshit surrounding this "unsinkable" ship remind me of the Titanic
Defence cuts are a disaster
bluemuleii 1 week ago
@thethreelions3 How many anti ship missiles can an RG Museum exhibit plane carry? I don't know
bluemuleii 1 week ago
@thethreelions3 eek - thisforum has quite an interesting debate re Type 45
You need the Economist
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bluemuleii 1 week ago
@thethreelions3 It appears that the Type45 needs to be in a port or calm harbour to reload
bluemuleii 1 week ago
@bluemuleii I think that this is the ships purpose tbh to guard ports and the Aircraft cariers, that way they can be reloaded and guarded from subs or other ships. And I think this ship could probably out range the fighters and its so stealthy that it appears like a small fishing vessel on radar. in the falklands case im sure there are rapier systems in place to share the load.
thethreelions3 1 week ago
@thethreelions3 yeah true its part of the mix and planes too of course
bluemuleii 1 week ago
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS track after removal of the typfoon are canceled and we have to do it without sanding any plane , and not even sanding the diamond , dragon ,daring ,could defend it ,as you do not have an aircraft carrier aviation and modern embarcada little will be able to do.
masacradordekelper 1 week ago
Usted nunca ganar una guerra contra estados unidos y su país nunca será respetada como una nación porque vuestro pueblo son débiles y están ocupadas corning de carne de vacuno. Por lo tanto fuck de chupar pene lol. También este sucio español que yo uso para hablar con usted está asqueroso Latina de cerdo.
fazorator 1 week ago
@fazorator UP THE U.K FUCK THE ARGIES
fazorator 1 week ago
what a magnificent ship... a real flag flyer!! the most advanced, most powerful warship on any waters.. and we have 4, with another 4 to be made... the pheonix rises again my british brothers and sisters!!
chezzylee 1 week ago
oh and Eva Perón was a dirty whore that like to have sex with donkeys
68PitMan 1 week ago
@68PitMan MALVINAS ARGENTINAS oh and Lady Di was a dirty whore like to have sex with donkeys una trolita
masacradordekelper 1 week ago
@masacradordekelper I agree she was a filthy whore and i for one and am glad she died
68PitMan 1 week ago
@masacradordekelper Your only purpose in life is as an organ donor.
mrmemanme 1 week ago
bring it on i say ...lets fucking go head to head against each other ....winner takes all..... i fancy a house in the Andes
68PitMan 1 week ago
The Argies couldn't go two rounds in a revolving door, so stop talking poo and go find some penguins!
DoriDori08 1 week ago
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS if they want to come ...come we will present battle ¿aircraft until as late as 2030 ? SEA HARRIER out F35F VERY DIFFICULT ¿ harry poter ?
masacradordekelper 1 week ago
@masacradordekelper try and make sense argie ...use a diffrent translator and the falklands are british and will stay british til the end of time
68PitMan 1 week ago
my mate changed the barrels on the five inch guns on the glamorgan as it pounded shit out of the argie postions on goose green before the SAS went in and mopped up the scum that was left ...
3 barrel changes over 150 arti rounds from one gun lol
68PitMan 1 week ago
@68PitMan MALVINAS ARGENTINAS as you think malvinas defend a carrier without planes whe we recover the malvinas,think coming ia a broom like harry potter
masacradordekelper 1 week ago
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@masacradordekelper we dont need a air craft carrier not with the dauntless patrolling ...it can knock out the air every single aircraft you launch the moment its in the air and what the fuck has a fucking imaginary wizard got to do with it !!!! or do you think you can use magic against the mighty Dauntless,,,you backward people are funny ...whats it like living in a favela snorting cocaine thinking of battles you wont win ?? fucking dumb asse .
68PitMan 1 week ago
@masacradordekelper no but there is approx 2,000 war hardend british soldiers there, this type 45 can wipe your entire airforce before they have left your runways lol... you won't make it across the waters the falklands!!
chezzylee 1 week ago
@chezzylee MALVINAS ARGENTINAS our old planes , have slam ulises 60 MN the typo 45 has only 32 MN ,the plane could not even down ,slam ulisses was created by citefa to knock aut a typo units illustrius 20 000 tn .en 2003 impact has capabilities semi submersible units, cameron redujo su presupuesto militar y anulo futuros proyectos
masacradordekelper 1 week ago
@masacradordekelper the type 45 is capable of wiping out the entire south american airforces combined... what makes you think your 1960's jets are capable of taking on THE MOST ADVANCED WARSHIP IN THE WORLD?
and that's before we let loose four of the MOST ADVANCED FIGHTER JETS TO DATE, the typhoons... if all else fails, which is unlikely.. i'm sure we have our astute class nuclear submarine some where sharking about your waters!!
don't underestimate the british armed forces!
chezzylee 1 week ago
@chezzylee MALVINAS ARGENTINAS slam ulises have 60 MN and missiles to distraction mantran that dock and follown the ulises , the aster 30 have alcanse for 32 MN , and no disparo capasidad of multiple soy un analista militar saludos.
masacradordekelper 1 week ago
on hearing of the death of 48 argenitines in a rail way crash i want to give the argientine nation my sincere thought s of JOY bitches that 48 less of our enemy live ...lol go argie engineering .....rahhhhhhhhhh
68PitMan 1 week ago 2
@68PitMan hahaha class!!
DoriDori08 1 week ago
'The Argentinian navy has been secretly upgrading its fleet in anticipation of hostilities..the two rubber dinghys in question are apparrently on order and should be delivered shortly!
MrPorkydanjou 1 week ago
I like the spinny spikey ball ...
matthewmasters2612 1 week ago
Cuantos tienen del tipo 45?
victornari1 1 week ago
@victornari1 We will have 6 when they are all finished and commissioned, although 12 had previously been planned. HMS Daring, Dauntless, Diamond, Defender, Dragon & Duncan. HMS Daring is in the middle east area.
dunv8 1 week ago
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i know you contry kill inocent children in irak motherfucker come to argentina to kill me son come on!!!!!! motherfucker me destroy yours nuclearplant and you contry be radiactivus for all time motherfucker asasin the kelper are argentino
martinxization 2 weeks ago
See that Argentina, you best pipe down
silversynth 2 weeks ago 20
nuke argentina ...kill them all nuke them ... kill there bitch president ... pay the taliban to do a hit on her or the mafia ....
68PitMan 2 weeks ago
HMS Sheffield Hit by Exocet Missile this misil destroy you ship and kill much inglis oooooou yeaaaaa !!!!!!!!! i love see kill inglis
martinxization 2 weeks ago
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clutchSlipper 2 weeks ago
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@martinxization The Exocet missile is now over 30 years old. These 21st century destroyers with the Sea Viper system accompanied by the PAMMS system would make mince meat of the entire South American airforce. These detroyers can automatically track and prioritize 1000 targets the size of a golf ball (travelling in excess of mach 3.0) out to around 500 miles. This, as well as other assets we have is why Argentina was crying to the UN a week ago and why you are here lulz
clutchSlipper 2 weeks ago
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68PitMan 2 weeks ago
@martinxization 255 uk killed .... 649 argies killed and you surrended so get fucked you cowards .... you wanna fight !!! then your gonna die ...every women every child child and all your coward men will die in a nuclear blizzard we should send you
68PitMan 2 weeks ago
@68PitMan 375 inglese muertos 1982 cuantos seran pronto
masacradordekelper 1 week ago
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@masacradordekelper Im sorry old chap...could you repeat that speaking the Queens....we dont understand Macho latino speak....Anyone for a cup of tea what???!!
ukFreesoul 1 week ago
@masacradordekelper typical lies of a argie cunt ....255 uk forces died ....you got the massacre of 649 argies lol ...you lose and will always lose .
68PitMan 1 week ago
@martinxization Cowards
SILVERCLOUD141 2 weeks ago
@martinxization Wait, you mean the Exocet's that you were too retarded to manufaxture yourself, so you bought them from the French, and they STILL backstabbed you by telling us their weaknesses? Oh yes! Those Exocets, did I mention that far more scummy Argentine morons died during the war as opposed to British, I'm sure you know this, as your nation is far less capable of launching any sort of attack on our territory than they were in 1982.
Your silly tit of a President.
beechey145 1 week ago 9
@beechey145 martinxization you good sir are a proper Cunt. Lol look at his page , every vid is about the british and hes posted the same message over and over. The only good thing to come out of your country is corned beef and thats still shit.
fazorator 1 week ago
whatch mother fucker inglis this is for you HMS Sheffield Hit by Exocet Missile
martinxization 2 weeks ago
@martinxization Hey Dago, Belgrano sunk by old 1950s torps. You don't wanna know what the new ones can do..... more Argie fish food. Fat fishies for Falklanders to catch
SuperAncientmariner 1 week ago
@SuperAncientmariner funny i was talking to a mate today who was on HMS Glamorgan in the falklands war and he laughed his head off telling me abnout the Belgrano sinking like a stone from a old world war two torpedo lol
68PitMan 1 week ago
@68PitMan Yes. Unfortunate yes, regretable maybe, justifiable certainly. As the French say "C'est la guerre", as the yanks say...."Shit happens"
SuperAncientmariner 1 week ago
@SuperAncientmariner i dont have a ounce of sympathy for our bitter enemy ... and i dont joke when i say oblitorate the entire argie nation with nukes ..... they are rats so let them live like rats
68PitMan 1 week ago
@68PitMan Damn right.
SuperAncientmariner 1 week ago
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@martinxization Usted nunca ganar una guerra contra estados unidos y su país nunca será respetada como una nación porque vuestro pueblo son débiles y están ocupadas corning de carne de vacuno. Por lo tanto fuck de chupar pene lol. También este sucio español que yo uso para hablar con usted está asqueroso Latina de cerdo.
fazorator 1 week ago
alla re idiot
martinxization 2 weeks ago
EL DESTRUCTOR ES MUY LINDO, PERO CUESTA UNA MONTALA DE DINERO MOVERLO!!!!
29578guille 2 weeks ago
El BLOQUEO QUE LATINOAMERICA LES VA HACER, LES VA COSTAR MUCHISIMO DINERO PODER HACER ALGO EN LAS ISLAS.
ES MAS, SE VAN A CORTAR LOS VUELOS DESDE EL CONTINENTE A MALVINAS.
EL COSTO SE LE VA A LAS NUBES Y A INGLATERRA DINERO NO LE SOBRA!!
LA TECNICA ES ESA, AUMENTARLES LOS COSTOS A UN NIVEL INSOPORTABLE!
INGLESES DE MIERDA!
29578guille 2 weeks ago
Why dont we nuke the falklands and then no one can have them? That would sort out the Argentine claim on them. Would'nt stop UK drilling for oil though ;-)
jamesthedude1977 2 weeks ago
The only reason Argentina want the Islands is because they are close to Argentina. It's like England saying they want France because it's only 30 KM away. Ridiculous.
Oh I forgot. another reason they want it now is because they've discovered OIL
jamesthedude1977 2 weeks ago
@VelperK - You say Argentina is'nt perfect for failing to treat the natives fairly by giving them 80% of Argentina (after all it is their land not yours). Well the UK is'nt perfect either so until you give the natives back their land, why should the UK give back the Falklands?
jamesthedude1977 2 weeks ago
MrFattyfatboy - Dont you think "the poms" had enough on their plate with Hitler planning to invade? And I think you do owe them your nation as without those "bastard poms" it would'nt exist as you know it.
jamesthedude1977 2 weeks ago
The people of the Falklands will be able to afford to buy their own Type 45 Destroyer once the oil money comes pouring in.....HMS Falklands...haha
dunv8 2 weeks ago
Argentina need to have a serious think before they take on this ship
threesim 2 weeks ago
nuke them argies to dust ...kill them all every single one ...gas them bomb them nuke them destroy there nation beyond repair and be done with them .
68PitMan 2 weeks ago
Im Australian and were buying AEGIS so we can operate with the yanks who saved us from the japs when england deserted us to them, now ive got some spanish dick telling me wh