I'll take the zr1, replace the dash and the seats, cause they suck, smaller pulley, and a 150 shot and decimate all. Average American drag races anyway, not autocross.
does not look that fun or smooth through the corners. . . thats my opinion. its up to others what they like. id prefer a ferrari with an f1 box on a track.
Do we really have to start up this HP/Litre crap again? When power to weight ratio is what counts, how much sense does it make to talk about power per displacement ratio? Why should you care??? Normally aspirated, OHC engines make more HP/liter, but the pushrod engine in the Corvette makes more HP/pound of engine weight than most high performance OHC engines, and it makes WAY more torque.
So, does anyone know the HP/lb (engine only) for ZR1 vs. GTR?
Actually the ZR1 engine wieghs about the same as the GTR engine from what I know.
But I totally hear you bro its so stupid to argue per liter I'm more interested in per pound and reliability.
Actually I want to put a LS1 into a 300zx and everyone makes that stupid argument but the LS1 weighs less and makes more power and is just as reliable.
@VAspeed3 Lots of people like to say something to sound important or just blurt out what supports the side they want to fanboy. It just is the way people are ... yep stupid.
It ALLEGEDLY has higher skid pan figures than the GTR and also 130 more hp. YET over THIRTEEN MILES of Nurburgring it is only 0.3seconds quicker. ZERO POINT THREE. Why? Because it actually sucks balls in corners. Motortrend have been proven to falsify figures for GM. Look at the top speed vid they REDUCE the revs of every car except the zr1 in their respective overdrive gears then reapply to allow the zr1 to top out higher. So obvious and dishonest. So GM.
the car is still better when it comes to Technical Data in general, Just accept it, You import owners are so funny, when ever you feel threatened by an American Car you all manage to bring whole bunch of crap, like if you guys were technicians or actually do something relating to cars in performance, I my self work and do as a hobbie adjusting limited Slip differentials & trans. adjustments beneficial to what ever Track its gonna race in. ZR1 and Viper ACR are dominating, fail to realise.
You have only shown yourself to look to excuses when you cannot or do not want to comprehend the truth. I do not own an 'import', i am not bias unlike you. I see the facts for what they are. And those facts tell the intelligent people of this world that the ZR1 is a straight line performance car at a low cost and therefore suffering from extreme sacrifices to the all round quality of the vehicle.
since when is the difference between 7:26 and 7:29 point 3 seconds?? the zr1 is faster in a straight line and the Gtr is faster round corners. But the difference in straight line speed is much bigger than cornering speed between the two cars. so around a track the zr1 is always faster and that is what matters
Let's get a few things straight here because you are making some very ill thought out points. The ZR1 has never officially had an independently verified nuburgring time so you're lucky i'm crediting it with that. the GTR has done a 7:26.7 and the ZR1 7:26.4 (unofficial). Do you realise the nurburgring is 13 miles long. Thirteen.. miles. It has huge straight sections where the ZR1 can run up to 180mph, it is gifted massive amounts of time in the straight sections because of its extra 130-150hp
how is the zr1's time unofficial, theres a freakin video of it its all over the web look anywhere seriously i cant say anymore than that. 2nd of all the GTr-s 7:26.7 is the v-spec and it more money than a zr1 and that is the unoffical time. The official time for the GT-R is 7:29 and there is alot of speculation that it was running on slicks. and also the guy who set that lap in the zr1 is an engineer just a normal average driver. and the person who took the gtr round the ring is a proffesional
A hp advantage like that is nothing to boast about. Afterall the ZR1 costs significantly more than the GTR and the hp difference is not down to superior engineering because the ZR1 only musters 103hp per litre to the GTRs 125 or so per litre. SO, the true technological achievement of the GTR, it's fantastic cornering abilities makes up for all but zero point three seconds of the time the ZR1 gains over 13 miles with 130/150 more hp. Okay? That is phenomenal by the GTR and embarassing for the ZR1
i dont get where your getting .3 from, it is 7:26. to 7:29 that is 3 seconds, and with an engineer driving the zr1 to a professional race car driver drvin the GT-R, and yess the GT-R embarasses the ZR1 by posting a slower lap.......... does that even make sense to you
read what i said again because i answered what you are now asking again, ALREADY. ZR1 did and UNNOFFICIAL 7:26.4 because it has to be independently verified to qualify. Videos don't matter you buffoon do you not realise there has to be a formalised approach to doing this? My point (again) is, the only reason the ZR1 is marginally faster is because it has more displacement. The engine is actually less efficient at generating power as i showed with hp/litre. True engineering is found in handling..
something the GTR has significantly more of than the ZR1. The ZR1 is just a cut price supercar, lots of power from an inefficient V8, loaded onto a primitive box-frame chassis (dangerous in crashes), with ancient leaf spring suspension still used, wooden floor (?!) and an unarguably poor build quality. I will reiterate because you seem quite dim, HP is easy to come by, even with poor engineering, handling is not. Point in case, GTR vs ZR1. Next.
unefficient v8?jaja the V6 engine of the GTR needs TWO turbos calibrated at 17.8psi to do 480hp-430Tq at 6400rpm,the V8 of the ZR-1 have a single supercharger at 10.5 psi to do 638hp-604Tq at 6300rpm,when your GTR do 7;26.4 whit manual gearbox,Rwd and a boost of 10,5psi whit less rpm and,on nurbur, you can talk about efficiency of the GTR,here the only unefficient car who need AWD a lot of boost whit more Rpm and only god knows how many electronic system helps this crap car to do that.
I like how you're still using the box-frame argument despite the fact that I owned you with the fact that it's a great platform for race car design. At least the Corvette doesn't have the same chassis design as the Ford Mustang, which the GTR has. LOL!!! And you may want to read Carroll Smith's "Engineer To Win" on what he says about transverse leafsprings. Not to mention, where is it stated that the ZR1's 'ring lap was not official?
okay, so are you now debating wheather the zr1 did a 7:26?? look on the freakin web it is everywhere, thats all i can say about that. okay, so your saying better engineering and more horspower per litre and better cornering equals slower lap. and please send me a link of where your getting these times from.
Seriously, do you have a reading disability, because you (maybe intentionally) misinterpret everything i write. No nurburgring time counts on it's official time board unless it is independently verified, which none of the ZR1 times are. As i said in my first reply, i am willing to humour the time as verified because it still embarasses the ZR1. More hp per litre does not mean more hp you dimwit, so obviously due to having 6.2litres instead of 3.8 it will be more powerful.
There are locomotives out there with 100+litre engines. Does that mean these engines are technologically superior or ingenious? No. What is special about the GTR is it will outhandle nearly any road vehicle in existence. So much so that despite the ZR1 having 13 miles of nurburgring to put down an extra 150 horsepower, that only counted for a measly 0.3 second lead because the GTR corners so much better and quicker. Got that yet you dumb shit?
ZR1 V8 6.2L single supercharger at 10.5psi,638hp-604Tq at 6300rpm,manual gearbox,0-60;3.3sec,top speed;330kmh,weight;1520kg,,RWD,1/4mile;11.1sec,use carboceramic brakes and only have MSRC ride control.
GT-R V6 3.8L Twin turbocharged at 17.8psi,480hp-430Tq at 6400rpm,top speed;311kmh,0-60;3.2 sec whit automatic launch on,and 3.9sec off, semi-automatic gearbox,weight;1740kg,this need,VDC, ATTESA E-TS,ALCS systems for do somenthing on the tracks
lol you don't have any motoring knowledge whatsoever, you are directly comparing twin turbo to supercharging as if they were the same mechanical system.
nope, im comparig the efficiency i dont care if the zr1 use supercharger and the gtr use twin turbo
the fact is
the v6 of gtr need 17.8 psi to do only 480hp in a car of 1740kg
the v8 of zr1 need only 10.5 psi to do 638hp,in a car of 1520kg,,
and you talk about efficiency?
zr1 its faster on track drag and street than gtr,using less psi,using less rpm,less weight and using manual gearbox,Rwd, zr1 no need launch system and then zr1 still can kick gtr ass,
w wait a minute. You're mexican? YOU'RE MEXICAN and you have the ordasity to criticise another living being on something? I laughed. Get back to doing some manual labour gringo, managed to cross the border yet? Fuckin nacho libres.
have you driven both cars?? no you havent (presumably) so we have to go with the opinons of the media who have driven both cars as fact. and they all say the gt-r grips better turns in sharper and can plant the throttle way earlier in a corner and which inspires more confidence
WHAT? Then why over a thirteen mile circuit, the nurburgring, with an additional 150hp is it only 0.3 seconds faster? Obviously because it is losing a MASSIVE amount of time to the GTR in every corner.
Lol we ca b*tch and moan all we want about how reviewers drive the cars on a track but lets face it, 99% of us wouldnt be able to do anywhere as well as they can. And since most of us ever will push these cars so hard either for lack of skill, interest r necessity, judging the precision of those numbers is pointless.
fact is we should always take performance times as a general marker and not a scientific fact. Those are simply there to give us, the consumers, a good idea.
If you marked and metered out the ZR1's hood window, and intake cover just right it could make a cool analog G indicator. Just watch the plexi-glass and how the engine shifts on it's motor mounts in the corners and under braking to see what I mean.
They don't let the japanese test their cars because they would declare the skyline the winner by a million miles, when they track test cars, they display a lambo being beaten by a friggin civic. You think MT biased? Psh,
Its called a hyperbole, its standard english language. Of course no lambo gets beat by a civic! Have you ever seen that best motoring crap? I could actually see a civic screwing a lambo when those guys are testing the cars
well they have shown a "stock" gt-r PULL AWAY from an lp640 in a straight line. the gt-r was car lengths behind coming out of a corner with no advantage in exit speed then after the road straightened out it suddenly pulls ahead.
Yeah, but they still suck, a good example of a good dirver is Toshio Suzuki a PRO driver in F1 races. hes the one that drove the GT-R on nurburgring and had a good time. The driver on Nurburgring from the ZR1 sucks really, hes a GM engineer, hes not close at Toshios level, ZR1 still won thow.
the gt-r has all that technology so its something easey to drive that isnt any fun to drive and the gt-r isnt even in the same leuge as these cars the driver was good but not all that great and yes the gt-r got killed at this track.the gt2 is pure track focused it requires special driver skills and can be deadly on the track when it wants to be the the 599 is just wow when it comes to speed.
This dude is either a sloppy driver or needs more seat time in the ZR1. Slappy throttle inputs, early breaking points. Seems as the though he's scared of the beast underneath! ;-)
Well there is a video of ACF Integra I think beating a Viper... How legit it is I don't know, but as for the ZR1 goes. It is easily my favorite Vette ever other than the '63 original Grand Sport and I think leads the supercars right now
I'd really like to see what kind of damage the ZR-1 could do to the ring on slicks, a wing, and race gas on high boost. WTF every Supra is doing it so why not!
very true ... the other day i was beside a fuckin integra and a z06, and the integra smoked the z06 and both went after it when the light went green ... so unfair ... id still rather have the touch of class in the ferrari than the extra half a second faster vette, which car will the eyes be on? nonetheless the new ZR1 is still a crazy car and to think that GM produced it hahaha
I call BS on this but is true LOL that Integra motor was probably boosted thru the roof or on some much NOS you could knockl out a city. Plus that engine would last 3 minutes on a track before spewing it innards one the ground.
I have stated elsewhere know of a guy here in kc and his honda made plenty of power for his turbo'ed race gas street driven car to run 158 in the quarter mile and the motor was not the issue, the transmission is
As sexy as a Ferrari is, I am sure that any owner of most of them would not want to find themselves at a stoplight next to the ZR1. I find that sort of amusing...to spend $300,000 on a car and be humbled by something 1/3 the price. They're all fine cars but only one can be the performance king and it's obvious which one holds that crown.
That's true. But these are NEW cars that are STOCK, and in a generally similar class. But I will agree the GT-R wasn't made to take on the ZR1. It was made to take on the Z06.
Yep, because that is really fair. A stock corvette against a heavily modified Supra. Give me a break. Try that shit against a Lingenfelter corvette and see what happens.
You have never seen a civic out run a viper? Gee, I saw one with a fart can.. two giant wings and LED washers fly right by a parked viper just last week.
Nope never seen it; however I'm sure there are ricers with rocket fuel, & turbos/mods up the wazoo that can do it, (then post it on youtube) but then why not just sit on a rocket & fly to the moon??? You = Moron
omg!!! hahah youre so fucking funny... hahahahaha. stfu. viper vs civic is no comparison. but yeah, im sure 1 out of 10000 civics will beat a viper.. but why compare? thats like comparing a fucking ford escort to a gtr. who gives a fuck
@Maxx61 its so true man. ppl are always going on about how this car or that car is worth more cuz it "feels" better, but i betcha it don't feel so good to get beaten by a car thats way cheaper than yours XD
So what if money was saved on sissy stitching and girly-soft leather. Who would u rather be, a beefcake pinup guy with a pompedour, or the roughneck with the biggest cock? You know who gets more tail!
the zr1 is lighter, has more power, has higher wieght to power ratio, and handles better....weres all the cry babys and excuses that try to take the spot light away from this beast
throw a smaller sc'er pully on the zr1 and it will be a monster...$800 worth of tuning will bring this beast over 650 whp, and thats wut people care about in a car...not cornering becuase where on the road would u be able to corner in traffic without killing yourself or others, even on country roads. raw acceleration is the most exciting thing to do in a car in my oppinion
so if you dont care about cornering and all the other aspects of a cars performance, why dont you just a get a motorcycle??
i mean the GTR was made to do more than just sunny day performance. the GTR was made for everyday use in rain n snow. it was made with more in mind cause it had to follow certain guidelines. if you think its all about straight line performance than there are TONS of streetcars that could outrun that zr1.
i know but i was just trying to make a point that many people bitch that american cars cant handle and i was just saying that you will never use its handling to the fullest on country roads etc, unless of course you go to the track with it, and if you have that much dedication to performance then buy a new suspension and tires for the american car and it will still be cheaper than the euro performance, thanks for the open minded insight though cuz most people are ignorant as hell
im glad to see a younger guy have enthusiasm for the motorsports. just please dont be ignorant like the typical domestic guys. after all the cobaltss is built and marketed more to the "ricer" market.
and yeah most people wouldnt be able to push a car to its handling limits on the street. and even on the track its hard to even run the numbers that great drivers can. and of course on the track its more about skill, so the name of the car isnt as important as the guy driving it.
well said, i just think its rediculour that people are arguing over which car offers better performance when they evidence they give are things such as a 5 second difference around the 18 km nurburgring (a mere 1% or a few hundred meters). overall i dont care about buying a a popular brand to be seen i just go with whatever i enjoy, and i like the zr1 cuz its an amazing machine so fuck everyone else
the ZR1 was 7 seconds quicker around the ring not 5. and no factory GTR is even that close the GTR that ran the 7:29 was modded just like porsche said. on this course in this very vid the ZR1 is 2 seconds quicker and the course is only 1 mile long. the course is very short with no room for the ZR1 to use its massive hp giving the gtr an better chance of keeping up.
dont get me wrong dude the zr1 is king...fuckin love that machine. someone said that one strength of the gt-r is it can be used all year round, well in a canadian winter the salt would rust that bucket of shit in a month, who the hell brings an $80000 car into the snow??? unless they can piss their money away
I don't understand why some people can't handle an American car out-pacing a foreign car. The Ferrari is a beautiful piece of machinery, but the Corvette caters better to my tastes (sounds much neater imo). Most people seem to be biased for their country's cars...but I am tired of watching BMW/Mercedes/etc. win comparisons against American cars in American magazines. Stop making excuses, they are not biased. Let the ZR1 have it's day; all of these cars are amazing!
most people will defend the ferrari or the gt-r etc, but thats cuz they enjoy not just the performance and excitement but they name brand they are buying...these are people that worry about thier image driving a ferrari for example and not being as recognized as driving "just another corvette" when it clearly isnt. im sure the novelty of the 300k ferarri will wear off (if it ever will) faster than driving a 2900 lbs bucket of excitement like the zr1, man that car is awesome
The ZR1 is a cheap track car while others are status car. Give me the chance to pick one of the cars for the weekend, it will still be the Ferrari, 99% of all of you will agree! If not then you are living in denial...
you have got to be the dumbest person on you tube for that comment, ferrari's break all the time they barely get 60k miles w/o engine repair sometimes less than 30k
Scuderia really the ZR1 would bitch slap that back to Europe just like it did the gt2 and the 559 the GTR looked at the ZR1 and THE GTR shit its self really it did.
That track is a joke, only two area's where the ZR1 could get out of second gear and only one area where he got into fourth and that was just barely into fourth. Not the kind of track the ZR1 was built for.
The ZR1 never gets a chance to stretch it's legs at all on this track. This is the perfect track for all wheel drive wehicles for sure.
Never heard of it. What's so special about it? Does it finally have independent suspension and has it lost 500 lbs in curb weight? Does it at least have some rear tires that are bigger then 280s?
Along with us was former IndyCar driver and 24 Hours of Daytona winner Didier Theys; he'd be our man at the wheel for a series of breathless, flat-to-the-floor top-speed runs, plus timed laps on the infield road course at Las Vegas Motor Speedway.
I think that was bad driving too, I am not a very fast road racer but I think, I am even smoother than that. There was more than a couple times in this lap that he was so jerky with the throttle.
motor trend, welcome to youtube. get ready for your driving to be trash talked by what i can only assume are the worlds elite race car drivers who post on youtube a lot.
I made my comment only because I consider myself as bad as this guy...although my friends tell me I'm much better than what I think but anyways...but I'm not a pro you see so I get away with it...but he totally sucks!!! I've seen hundreds of racing videos and this is crap! Most people that post here don't even have a license so that verifies your comment as being correct, but this...it's just crap!
P.S.: if you wanna see some real driving, just type "Lotus Elise racing" and select the first video or even better "ruf ctr ring" and check out the first 2 ones...
Wow...that was some of the worse "professional" driving I've seen!!That guy was truly over driving the Zr1. Actually, he did piss poor in all of the cars. What a shame, I really wanted to see a competition.
couldn't agree more with ya...that was pure boredom!!! that's called crusing not racing a car...and the way he snapps the steering wheel!!! it's a racing car not a truck!!! if you gould give it minus, I'd sure rate this video like that...totally unacceptable driving and I can't believe they actually posted it
I just watch it again. Yeah, that's embarrassingly bad driving. It almost as if he is driving bad on purpose. It's possible they filmed him on a practice lap where he was just messing around feeling the car. I can believe that. There's no way this guy could be taken seriously driving like that.
Um I could be wrong but that driving looked absolutely awful. Jim Mero driving it around the ring was doing 70 mile an hour turns and not having to correct barely anything. o.O
wtf is wrong there? he doesnt really drive fast, and still has to make massive correction, and rarely even steps on the throttle. thats weird. how can that happen, with the zr1's special tires and such? must be shitty asphalt or something. anyway, it's a pain to watch. lol
Even though his driving is not good, especially at 0:54 when he shifts, he still achieve fastest laptime among other. Damn!!! I hope it'll be top 3 on top gear test track
The GTR was designed to show it's real performance with the stability and traction control on while hard cornering with it's own "race mode", that's what Jeremy Clarkson did, and he got whiplash testing the GTR in corners. It looks like these guys tested it with both off altogether. Also it's not really designed for straight line performance, the "V-Spec" however, is going to be, it's going to be a much faster machine, although what maniac would want something like that?
The GTR has a launch control system so it was was designed with straight line performace in mind. The GTR spec V will still be heavier and under powered when compared to the ZR1. The GTR's 5th and 6th gear is pathetic it barely pulls at all at those gears. A four wheel drive system can never beat a fine tuned well balanced rear wheel drive system, thats still the best way to go.
You're right about AWD, they made it with the tranny in the rear, so they have a linkage spanning the full length of the car to connect to the tranny, and then another linkage altogether to reconnect with the front end? They at least have a switch to make work as RWD when you don't want 4x4. As for the 5th and 6th gears, I can't comment on that - have you driven it?
No sir i have not driven it, dont think that i am one sided on this. I think the GTR is a beast its just that the Corvette is too much and should be compared to the Spec v whenever that comes out. Living in Canada I would rather own a GTR because its can perform all year round. Oh yeah as for my comment on the 5th and 6th gear watch the "GTR top speed run" on this service youll know what i mean.
Yeah, for track cars the Corvette is amazing, but it's not exactly what I'd prefer for everyday driving, also I like the BMW M3 for the same reason, the I-Drive system should make it brainless to drive on ice, it even has a feature where every time you hit the button to spray windshield washer fluid and clean the windshield, it gives a heated blast of fluid to clean the front headlights. Finally, the Corvette has gotten to be less of a status symbol since it seems everyone has one.
Yeah the M3 is an awsome machine 8,400 RPM redline wow! That another well tuned rear wheel monster. Now that the M3 has DCT tranny it will really trash the RS4, S5, and C63 even worse that it did with its 6 speed stick.
The whole point of the GT-R was to create a car that would put all other supercars to shame, meaning producing better numbers at a fraction of the cost. The GTR is the best bang for the buck, of course until the ZR1 came out.
I've heard rumours that Nissan's looking to drop the price of the GTR from $90k to $55k, if that's the case, the GTR would still be the best bang for your buck, considering the ZR1 is almost $100k more.
634HP + 604+LB-TQ + stik shifter + circuit driving: have to keep rpms low/drive on a higher gear cuz if he tries to push it harder he would have to keep his right hand on the stick all the time which is not ideal. or maybe you´re right...unexperienced dood...
Fact: more drag racing and highway racing are watched on YouTube everyday than any other form of motorsport.
palefaced1 1 year ago 2
I'll take the zr1, replace the dash and the seats, cause they suck, smaller pulley, and a 150 shot and decimate all. Average American drag races anyway, not autocross.
palefaced1 1 year ago
does not look that fun or smooth through the corners. . . thats my opinion. its up to others what they like. id prefer a ferrari with an f1 box on a track.
golddang 2 years ago
@golddang DROVE ALOT OF THOSE HAVE YA
doodo40 2 years ago
out of these no. only zr1 a gt2 and the 599.
golddang 2 years ago
those dam corners keep getting in the way
golddang 2 years ago
zr1 says it has 638 but at the wheel it has 505
pinga350 2 years ago
Yes. Because horsepower measured at the wheels typically suffers about a 25 percent (give or take) drivetrain loss in a RWD car.
petermurray82 2 years ago 2
@pinga350 Nope Its been dynoed from 535-550 wrhp. That 505 is BS.
13tomabram 2 years ago
ZR1 is KING!!!!!
youlance29 2 years ago 9
zr1 is the best, makes almost 200 more hp and more tq and also ligther and yet only net 5 more mph than the GTR...
Imao
it's like saying my i lost to a viper by a fender, and i make haft the Hp..
TurboD16z6 2 years ago 2
DUDE THATS ALOT, AND ITS RWD ONLY
isiahlilman 2 years ago
Do we really have to start up this HP/Litre crap again? When power to weight ratio is what counts, how much sense does it make to talk about power per displacement ratio? Why should you care??? Normally aspirated, OHC engines make more HP/liter, but the pushrod engine in the Corvette makes more HP/pound of engine weight than most high performance OHC engines, and it makes WAY more torque.
So, does anyone know the HP/lb (engine only) for ZR1 vs. GTR?
VAspeed3 2 years ago 4
Actually the ZR1 engine wieghs about the same as the GTR engine from what I know.
But I totally hear you bro its so stupid to argue per liter I'm more interested in per pound and reliability.
Actually I want to put a LS1 into a 300zx and everyone makes that stupid argument but the LS1 weighs less and makes more power and is just as reliable.
arabrockerman 2 years ago
@VAspeed3 Lots of people like to say something to sound important or just blurt out what supports the side they want to fanboy. It just is the way people are ... yep stupid.
Aberran
Thanks for not following that crowd ;)
AxiomofDiscord 2 years ago
Im a ford guy I drive mustangs.BUT the ZR1 kills all. Cant be touched.Best bang for your buck supercar thats faster than 99% of them.
dontstreetrace 2 years ago 3
Everybody take the following quiz:
Look, a YouTube video about cars! Do you:
A) Offer insightful comments that further everyone's knowledge
B) Offer uninformative comments that are nevertheless witty and cause a chuckle
C) Politely state your opinion regarding your tastes
D) Some combination of the above
E) Use profanity or racial/ethnic slurs that accomplish nothing and make the world a worse place
If you answered E, you failed. Get off the internet.
almitydave 2 years ago
Oh, oh "B" I like "B"! Hey a Blue car, wow a blue car!
mra2z 2 years ago
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03056932 2 years ago
ZR1 !
8t6it 2 years ago
The Skid Pad on the ZR1 is higher than all Import, 1.07 G
FACT
50908 2 years ago
1.10
furbygr 2 years ago
skid pan figures mean FUCK ALL.
It ALLEGEDLY has higher skid pan figures than the GTR and also 130 more hp. YET over THIRTEEN MILES of Nurburgring it is only 0.3seconds quicker. ZERO POINT THREE. Why? Because it actually sucks balls in corners. Motortrend have been proven to falsify figures for GM. Look at the top speed vid they REDUCE the revs of every car except the zr1 in their respective overdrive gears then reapply to allow the zr1 to top out higher. So obvious and dishonest. So GM.
03056932 2 years ago
the car is still better when it comes to Technical Data in general, Just accept it, You import owners are so funny, when ever you feel threatened by an American Car you all manage to bring whole bunch of crap, like if you guys were technicians or actually do something relating to cars in performance, I my self work and do as a hobbie adjusting limited Slip differentials & trans. adjustments beneficial to what ever Track its gonna race in. ZR1 and Viper ACR are dominating, fail to realise.
50908 2 years ago
You have only shown yourself to look to excuses when you cannot or do not want to comprehend the truth. I do not own an 'import', i am not bias unlike you. I see the facts for what they are. And those facts tell the intelligent people of this world that the ZR1 is a straight line performance car at a low cost and therefore suffering from extreme sacrifices to the all round quality of the vehicle.
03056932 2 years ago
since when is the difference between 7:26 and 7:29 point 3 seconds?? the zr1 is faster in a straight line and the Gtr is faster round corners. But the difference in straight line speed is much bigger than cornering speed between the two cars. so around a track the zr1 is always faster and that is what matters
willneverstop 2 years ago
Let's get a few things straight here because you are making some very ill thought out points. The ZR1 has never officially had an independently verified nuburgring time so you're lucky i'm crediting it with that. the GTR has done a 7:26.7 and the ZR1 7:26.4 (unofficial). Do you realise the nurburgring is 13 miles long. Thirteen.. miles. It has huge straight sections where the ZR1 can run up to 180mph, it is gifted massive amounts of time in the straight sections because of its extra 130-150hp
03056932 2 years ago
how is the zr1's time unofficial, theres a freakin video of it its all over the web look anywhere seriously i cant say anymore than that. 2nd of all the GTr-s 7:26.7 is the v-spec and it more money than a zr1 and that is the unoffical time. The official time for the GT-R is 7:29 and there is alot of speculation that it was running on slicks. and also the guy who set that lap in the zr1 is an engineer just a normal average driver. and the person who took the gtr round the ring is a proffesional
willneverstop 2 years ago
so in the end what are you trying to say here, The GT-R is slower than the ZR-1 round the ring???? like i dont even get what your argument is.
willneverstop 2 years ago
A hp advantage like that is nothing to boast about. Afterall the ZR1 costs significantly more than the GTR and the hp difference is not down to superior engineering because the ZR1 only musters 103hp per litre to the GTRs 125 or so per litre. SO, the true technological achievement of the GTR, it's fantastic cornering abilities makes up for all but zero point three seconds of the time the ZR1 gains over 13 miles with 130/150 more hp. Okay? That is phenomenal by the GTR and embarassing for the ZR1
03056932 2 years ago
i dont get where your getting .3 from, it is 7:26. to 7:29 that is 3 seconds, and with an engineer driving the zr1 to a professional race car driver drvin the GT-R, and yess the GT-R embarasses the ZR1 by posting a slower lap.......... does that even make sense to you
willneverstop 2 years ago
read what i said again because i answered what you are now asking again, ALREADY. ZR1 did and UNNOFFICIAL 7:26.4 because it has to be independently verified to qualify. Videos don't matter you buffoon do you not realise there has to be a formalised approach to doing this? My point (again) is, the only reason the ZR1 is marginally faster is because it has more displacement. The engine is actually less efficient at generating power as i showed with hp/litre. True engineering is found in handling..
03056932 2 years ago
something the GTR has significantly more of than the ZR1. The ZR1 is just a cut price supercar, lots of power from an inefficient V8, loaded onto a primitive box-frame chassis (dangerous in crashes), with ancient leaf spring suspension still used, wooden floor (?!) and an unarguably poor build quality. I will reiterate because you seem quite dim, HP is easy to come by, even with poor engineering, handling is not. Point in case, GTR vs ZR1. Next.
03056932 2 years ago
unefficient v8?jaja the V6 engine of the GTR needs TWO turbos calibrated at 17.8psi to do 480hp-430Tq at 6400rpm,the V8 of the ZR-1 have a single supercharger at 10.5 psi to do 638hp-604Tq at 6300rpm,when your GTR do 7;26.4 whit manual gearbox,Rwd and a boost of 10,5psi whit less rpm and,on nurbur, you can talk about efficiency of the GTR,here the only unefficient car who need AWD a lot of boost whit more Rpm and only god knows how many electronic system helps this crap car to do that.
gueropalma1990 2 years ago
I like how you're still using the box-frame argument despite the fact that I owned you with the fact that it's a great platform for race car design. At least the Corvette doesn't have the same chassis design as the Ford Mustang, which the GTR has. LOL!!! And you may want to read Carroll Smith's "Engineer To Win" on what he says about transverse leafsprings. Not to mention, where is it stated that the ZR1's 'ring lap was not official?
k6k6k6Darkie 2 years ago
dude the GTR's frame was designed by lotus....seriously check it out
thebasics0609 2 years ago
okay, so are you now debating wheather the zr1 did a 7:26?? look on the freakin web it is everywhere, thats all i can say about that. okay, so your saying better engineering and more horspower per litre and better cornering equals slower lap. and please send me a link of where your getting these times from.
willneverstop 2 years ago
Seriously, do you have a reading disability, because you (maybe intentionally) misinterpret everything i write. No nurburgring time counts on it's official time board unless it is independently verified, which none of the ZR1 times are. As i said in my first reply, i am willing to humour the time as verified because it still embarasses the ZR1. More hp per litre does not mean more hp you dimwit, so obviously due to having 6.2litres instead of 3.8 it will be more powerful.
03056932 2 years ago
There are locomotives out there with 100+litre engines. Does that mean these engines are technologically superior or ingenious? No. What is special about the GTR is it will outhandle nearly any road vehicle in existence. So much so that despite the ZR1 having 13 miles of nurburgring to put down an extra 150 horsepower, that only counted for a measly 0.3 second lead because the GTR corners so much better and quicker. Got that yet you dumb shit?
03056932 2 years ago
ZR1 V8 6.2L single supercharger at 10.5psi,638hp-604Tq at 6300rpm,manual gearbox,0-60;3.3sec,top speed;330kmh,weight;1520kg,,RWD,1/4mile;11.1sec,use carboceramic brakes and only have MSRC ride control.
GT-R V6 3.8L Twin turbocharged at 17.8psi,480hp-430Tq at 6400rpm,top speed;311kmh,0-60;3.2 sec whit automatic launch on,and 3.9sec off, semi-automatic gearbox,weight;1740kg,this need,VDC, ATTESA E-TS,ALCS systems for do somenthing on the tracks
who its more efficient,, ASSHOLE RICER
gueropalma1990 2 years ago
I'll make this easy for you because you are obviously either a down syndrome kid or have severe learning difficulties.
Horsepower per litre
ZR1: 103
GTR 126
GTR wins by a landslide. Next.
03056932 2 years ago
horsepower per litre means NOTHING,
if that v6 have 480hp its only because estratospheric boost of 17.8 psi
using 17.8 psi to have only 480hp?
ZR1 have more Horsepower per Pound,
much moremore than GT-R...
ZR1 only need 10.psi to do 638hp
that is true efficiency , xenophobic ricer boy
Next....
gueropalma1990 2 years ago 2
lol you don't have any motoring knowledge whatsoever, you are directly comparing twin turbo to supercharging as if they were the same mechanical system.
You
greasy
weak
shit skinned
dirty
gringo
MEXICAN.
03056932 2 years ago
nope, im comparig the efficiency i dont care if the zr1 use supercharger and the gtr use twin turbo
the fact is
the v6 of gtr need 17.8 psi to do only 480hp in a car of 1740kg
the v8 of zr1 need only 10.5 psi to do 638hp,in a car of 1520kg,,
and you talk about efficiency?
zr1 its faster on track drag and street than gtr,using less psi,using less rpm,less weight and using manual gearbox,Rwd, zr1 no need launch system and then zr1 still can kick gtr ass,
gueropalma1990 2 years ago 2
@03056932 It seems people don't agree with you. So you lose.
Next....
xxMafia101 1 year ago
w wait a minute. You're mexican? YOU'RE MEXICAN and you have the ordasity to criticise another living being on something? I laughed. Get back to doing some manual labour gringo, managed to cross the border yet? Fuckin nacho libres.
03056932 2 years ago
idiot im born as PRIDE MEXICAN, but for your ignorancy, I and my family are half italian half spanish ricer asshole.
gueropalma1990 2 years ago
i think your're wrong the zr1 has a better handling than the gtr, even that is a RWD
floresm08 2 years ago
have you driven both cars?? no you havent (presumably) so we have to go with the opinons of the media who have driven both cars as fact. and they all say the gt-r grips better turns in sharper and can plant the throttle way earlier in a corner and which inspires more confidence
willneverstop 2 years ago
yep. lol owning yourself.
03056932 2 years ago
WHAT? Then why over a thirteen mile circuit, the nurburgring, with an additional 150hp is it only 0.3 seconds faster? Obviously because it is losing a MASSIVE amount of time to the GTR in every corner.
03056932 2 years ago
lap time for the GT-R :: 52.3 secs
kelisa7559 2 years ago
listen to the roar. nice
Rell09ny 2 years ago
motor trend failure ftl, get a better driver
praetorian2150 2 years ago
i dont know about that driver. didnt look like he was comfortable around the corners
titangreenandgold 2 years ago
I think the wheels would look a lot better powered coated black.
seroyer2 2 years ago 4
Lol we ca b*tch and moan all we want about how reviewers drive the cars on a track but lets face it, 99% of us wouldnt be able to do anywhere as well as they can. And since most of us ever will push these cars so hard either for lack of skill, interest r necessity, judging the precision of those numbers is pointless.
fact is we should always take performance times as a general marker and not a scientific fact. Those are simply there to give us, the consumers, a good idea.
upshiift 2 years ago
If you marked and metered out the ZR1's hood window, and intake cover just right it could make a cool analog G indicator. Just watch the plexi-glass and how the engine shifts on it's motor mounts in the corners and under braking to see what I mean.
piwright42 2 years ago
They don't let the japanese test their cars because they would declare the skyline the winner by a million miles, when they track test cars, they display a lambo being beaten by a friggin civic. You think MT biased? Psh,
corvettesolos 2 years ago
I highly doubt they showed a civic beating a lambo.
extol48 2 years ago
Its called a hyperbole, its standard english language. Of course no lambo gets beat by a civic! Have you ever seen that best motoring crap? I could actually see a civic screwing a lambo when those guys are testing the cars
corvettesolos 2 years ago
Best motoring is total and complete bullshit.
booker357mag 2 years ago
well they have shown a "stock" gt-r PULL AWAY from an lp640 in a straight line. the gt-r was car lengths behind coming out of a corner with no advantage in exit speed then after the road straightened out it suddenly pulls ahead.
venomviper32 2 years ago
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look how aggressive he drive the zr1.. look at his face..! he drive the other car suk..so bias..let the japanese do it they are more honoust..
MCDragon1 2 years ago
MotorTrend isnt biased towards Americans. Half the time a Japanese or European car wins thier comparison tests.
extol48 2 years ago 4
It's not true.
almerasan 2 years ago
that guy sucks dick at driving!
383stroker4em 2 years ago
like you can do any better... this guy is a professional race car driver.
adogg619 2 years ago
Yeah, but they still suck, a good example of a good dirver is Toshio Suzuki a PRO driver in F1 races. hes the one that drove the GT-R on nurburgring and had a good time. The driver on Nurburgring from the ZR1 sucks really, hes a GM engineer, hes not close at Toshios level, ZR1 still won thow.
50908 2 years ago
the gt-r has all that technology so its something easey to drive that isnt any fun to drive and the gt-r isnt even in the same leuge as these cars the driver was good but not all that great and yes the gt-r got killed at this track.the gt2 is pure track focused it requires special driver skills and can be deadly on the track when it wants to be the the 599 is just wow when it comes to speed.
The ZR1 just kills anything.
Towelman20 2 years ago 5
WTF ? I can ride like this !!! The driver kills it .
Rudypel 2 years ago
This dude is either a sloppy driver or needs more seat time in the ZR1. Slappy throttle inputs, early breaking points. Seems as the though he's scared of the beast underneath! ;-)
MaxwellReviresco 2 years ago 4
I think if he'd just make the ONE shift from 2-3 and back he could have run that in the 54 sec range. What was he doing?
SleeStaK911 3 years ago
Zr1 killer of them all!!!!!!
dipperhead1234 3 years ago 5
Well there is a video of ACF Integra I think beating a Viper... How legit it is I don't know, but as for the ZR1 goes. It is easily my favorite Vette ever other than the '63 original Grand Sport and I think leads the supercars right now
LYellyFsho 3 years ago
damn import fanboys. quit thinking your civic or tc will keep up with exotics. so dumb. just go race eachother and quit licking their nuts
Recruit555 3 years ago 4
It doesnt matter how much they spend on a Civic or other econo box.. the chassis will still be shit and it wont run with race cars at the track.
booker357mag 3 years ago 3
I'd really like to see what kind of damage the ZR-1 could do to the ring on slicks, a wing, and race gas on high boost. WTF every Supra is doing it so why not!
redhot916spd 3 years ago
very true ... the other day i was beside a fuckin integra and a z06, and the integra smoked the z06 and both went after it when the light went green ... so unfair ... id still rather have the touch of class in the ferrari than the extra half a second faster vette, which car will the eyes be on? nonetheless the new ZR1 is still a crazy car and to think that GM produced it hahaha
placasse85 3 years ago
we won't see any integra challenging the vette at any road course anytime soon, and isn't that the point GM was trying to make, at the track?
redhot916spd 3 years ago
I call BS on this but is true LOL that Integra motor was probably boosted thru the roof or on some much NOS you could knockl out a city. Plus that engine would last 3 minutes on a track before spewing it innards one the ground.
moejr1974 3 years ago
I have stated elsewhere know of a guy here in kc and his honda made plenty of power for his turbo'ed race gas street driven car to run 158 in the quarter mile and the motor was not the issue, the transmission is
redhot916spd 3 years ago
As sexy as a Ferrari is, I am sure that any owner of most of them would not want to find themselves at a stoplight next to the ZR1. I find that sort of amusing...to spend $300,000 on a car and be humbled by something 1/3 the price. They're all fine cars but only one can be the performance king and it's obvious which one holds that crown.
Maxx61 3 years ago 8
yeah but a 19yr old kid with a turbo civic could outrun a Viper too.
funny as it is. i'd like to see the zr1 pull up at a stoplight against a 800hp supra.
donisthabomb1 3 years ago
Yes, because an 800hp car is an equivalent match for a 638hp car. Makes sense.
picolini 3 years ago
yes just like it was fair for a 638hp car to race against a 480hp GTR.
donisthabomb1 3 years ago
That's true. But these are NEW cars that are STOCK, and in a generally similar class. But I will agree the GT-R wasn't made to take on the ZR1. It was made to take on the Z06.
picolini 3 years ago
I'd like to see that 800 horse supra run the ZR1 around a track ; )
booker357mag 3 years ago
Yep, because that is really fair. A stock corvette against a heavily modified Supra. Give me a break. Try that shit against a Lingenfelter corvette and see what happens.
shbycbra427 3 years ago
haha best of luck with that
your wrong and pleading your case to the wrong crowd
ryanwelsh2132 3 years ago
I've never seen a civic outrun a Viper. How often does this happen??? you're a dumbass.
jayr545 3 years ago 2
You have never seen a civic out run a viper? Gee, I saw one with a fart can.. two giant wings and LED washers fly right by a parked viper just last week.
booker357mag 3 years ago
Nope never seen it; however I'm sure there are ricers with rocket fuel, & turbos/mods up the wazoo that can do it, (then post it on youtube) but then why not just sit on a rocket & fly to the moon??? You = Moron
jayr545 3 years ago
It was a joke guy..
booker357mag 3 years ago
omg!!! hahah youre so fucking funny... hahahahaha. stfu. viper vs civic is no comparison. but yeah, im sure 1 out of 10000 civics will beat a viper.. but why compare? thats like comparing a fucking ford escort to a gtr. who gives a fuck
Recruit555 3 years ago
1 out of 10000.. more like one out of 100000 maybe more. Most Civics tote around soccer moms and grannys.
booker357mag 3 years ago 2
@Maxx61 its so true man. ppl are always going on about how this car or that car is worth more cuz it "feels" better, but i betcha it don't feel so good to get beaten by a car thats way cheaper than yours XD
dandil 8 months ago
this is SHIT!!!!
Brementuning007 3 years ago
So what if money was saved on sissy stitching and girly-soft leather. Who would u rather be, a beefcake pinup guy with a pompedour, or the roughneck with the biggest cock? You know who gets more tail!
jerrydoubleu 3 years ago
the zr1 is lighter, has more power, has higher wieght to power ratio, and handles better....weres all the cry babys and excuses that try to take the spot light away from this beast
zr1ls9vette 3 years ago
and jeremy clarkson gave the zr1 the car of the year
zr1ls9vette 3 years ago
oh yea and i would pick the zr-1 for the weekend its faster sounds better and looks way more agressive
zr1ls9vette 3 years ago
throw a smaller sc'er pully on the zr1 and it will be a monster...$800 worth of tuning will bring this beast over 650 whp, and thats wut people care about in a car...not cornering becuase where on the road would u be able to corner in traffic without killing yourself or others, even on country roads. raw acceleration is the most exciting thing to do in a car in my oppinion
jcobaltss2005 3 years ago
so if you dont care about cornering and all the other aspects of a cars performance, why dont you just a get a motorcycle??
i mean the GTR was made to do more than just sunny day performance. the GTR was made for everyday use in rain n snow. it was made with more in mind cause it had to follow certain guidelines. if you think its all about straight line performance than there are TONS of streetcars that could outrun that zr1.
donisthabomb1 3 years ago
i know but i was just trying to make a point that many people bitch that american cars cant handle and i was just saying that you will never use its handling to the fullest on country roads etc, unless of course you go to the track with it, and if you have that much dedication to performance then buy a new suspension and tires for the american car and it will still be cheaper than the euro performance, thanks for the open minded insight though cuz most people are ignorant as hell
jcobaltss2005 3 years ago
i still havent found a road to push my cobalt ss sc to the limit and i live in the country, nevermind try that with a zr1 or anything of such caliber
jcobaltss2005 3 years ago
im glad to see a younger guy have enthusiasm for the motorsports. just please dont be ignorant like the typical domestic guys. after all the cobaltss is built and marketed more to the "ricer" market.
and yeah most people wouldnt be able to push a car to its handling limits on the street. and even on the track its hard to even run the numbers that great drivers can. and of course on the track its more about skill, so the name of the car isnt as important as the guy driving it.
donisthabomb1 3 years ago
well said, i just think its rediculour that people are arguing over which car offers better performance when they evidence they give are things such as a 5 second difference around the 18 km nurburgring (a mere 1% or a few hundred meters). overall i dont care about buying a a popular brand to be seen i just go with whatever i enjoy, and i like the zr1 cuz its an amazing machine so fuck everyone else
jcobaltss2005 3 years ago
the ZR1 was 7 seconds quicker around the ring not 5. and no factory GTR is even that close the GTR that ran the 7:29 was modded just like porsche said. on this course in this very vid the ZR1 is 2 seconds quicker and the course is only 1 mile long. the course is very short with no room for the ZR1 to use its massive hp giving the gtr an better chance of keeping up.
304teddy 3 years ago
dont get me wrong dude the zr1 is king...fuckin love that machine. someone said that one strength of the gt-r is it can be used all year round, well in a canadian winter the salt would rust that bucket of shit in a month, who the hell brings an $80000 car into the snow??? unless they can piss their money away
jcobaltss2005 3 years ago 2
agreed. was just respectfully stating a few facts. your right only a moron would drive either car in the snow.
304teddy 3 years ago
too bad theres not to many people like u around, most people turn into dicks on youtube or are just dicks in general
jcobaltss2005 3 years ago
205hp and you cant find a road big enough?
ledgegeg12 3 years ago
lol curvey enough
jcobaltss2005 3 years ago
A little tuning and your good! A co-worker has one with 240whp... goes good!!!
ledgegeg12 3 years ago
Search youtube: Nissan GT-R Wins 2009 Motor Trend Car Of The Year!
christgonzales17 3 years ago
i dont like that whole thing, just for the fact that they're comparing a 100,000 supercar to honda fits G8's Vibes Acuras they just dont compare
Chevroletalltheway99 3 years ago
I don't understand why some people can't handle an American car out-pacing a foreign car. The Ferrari is a beautiful piece of machinery, but the Corvette caters better to my tastes (sounds much neater imo). Most people seem to be biased for their country's cars...but I am tired of watching BMW/Mercedes/etc. win comparisons against American cars in American magazines. Stop making excuses, they are not biased. Let the ZR1 have it's day; all of these cars are amazing!
jordanb450 3 years ago
most people will defend the ferrari or the gt-r etc, but thats cuz they enjoy not just the performance and excitement but they name brand they are buying...these are people that worry about thier image driving a ferrari for example and not being as recognized as driving "just another corvette" when it clearly isnt. im sure the novelty of the 300k ferarri will wear off (if it ever will) faster than driving a 2900 lbs bucket of excitement like the zr1, man that car is awesome
jcobaltss2005 3 years ago
agree with that...Ferraris are not really durable as many might think, they are more of a show car than anything else!
Ferarri is known to caught fire during driving, it is noisy and brokes down from time to time!
And there is no Ferrari with over 100k km (62k miles)
olaguma 3 years ago
The ZR1 is a cheap track car while others are status car. Give me the chance to pick one of the cars for the weekend, it will still be the Ferrari, 99% of all of you will agree! If not then you are living in denial...
leehendra 3 years ago
you have got to be the dumbest person on you tube for that comment, ferrari's break all the time they barely get 60k miles w/o engine repair sometimes less than 30k
isiahlilman 3 years ago
Scuderia really the ZR1 would bitch slap that back to Europe just like it did the gt2 and the 559 the GTR looked at the ZR1 and THE GTR shit its self really it did.
AONICK 3 years ago
Had Motor Trend used a Scuderia instead of Ferrari's grand tourer, the ZR1 would have gotten bitch slapped 6 ways to Sunday.
bedlambikes 3 years ago
the guy probably doesnt want the vette to win so hes driving slow but no matter how slow he drives its still gonna win
CanoZR1 3 years ago
That guy couldnt drive any slower, rubbish.
Vasti15 3 years ago
that track was made for the Skyline haha plus bad driving too wayy to throttle heavy and crazy with the steering maybe its a bit much to handle ??
kdocherty89 3 years ago
That track is a joke, only two area's where the ZR1 could get out of second gear and only one area where he got into fourth and that was just barely into fourth. Not the kind of track the ZR1 was built for.
The ZR1 never gets a chance to stretch it's legs at all on this track. This is the perfect track for all wheel drive wehicles for sure.
jjs4you2 3 years ago
your 100% right
RealGame22 3 years ago
and the ZR1 was still the fastest by over a half a second, lol!
HotRod97SS 3 years ago
Obviosly, he was pushing ZR1 faster and was trying much harder than in Ferrari 599.
sspope 3 years ago
this guy doesnt know how to drive
vatan1923 3 years ago 3
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just wait till ford releases the tripple 7 mustang...., it will EAT this car....
FiBTL3000 3 years ago
Never heard of it. What's so special about it? Does it finally have independent suspension and has it lost 500 lbs in curb weight? Does it at least have some rear tires that are bigger then 280s?
PukaMan 3 years ago 2
lol very funny man, i definately agree. A mustang is never gonna compete with a corvette, especially this one
mtooshort20 3 years ago
SHUT DA FUK UP
gotchevypower3 3 years ago
haha will it still have a solid rear axle? Don't know why ford hasn't dumped that yet.
Ice3power 3 years ago
who is this hack at the wheel?
mleemotorsports 3 years ago
Along with us was former IndyCar driver and 24 Hours of Daytona winner Didier Theys; he'd be our man at the wheel for a series of breathless, flat-to-the-floor top-speed runs, plus timed laps on the infield road course at Las Vegas Motor Speedway.
Any1 ever heard of him???
BOB2020J 3 years ago
What the Hell was that?? Hey, driver, stick with video games. You know, like Super Mario bros.
Amokster 3 years ago
I think that was bad driving too, I am not a very fast road racer but I think, I am even smoother than that. There was more than a couple times in this lap that he was so jerky with the throttle.
mkuroglu 3 years ago
STIG!!!!!!
jjislas81 3 years ago
motor trend, welcome to youtube. get ready for your driving to be trash talked by what i can only assume are the worlds elite race car drivers who post on youtube a lot.
chrismodiano 3 years ago 2
I made my comment only because I consider myself as bad as this guy...although my friends tell me I'm much better than what I think but anyways...but I'm not a pro you see so I get away with it...but he totally sucks!!! I've seen hundreds of racing videos and this is crap! Most people that post here don't even have a license so that verifies your comment as being correct, but this...it's just crap!
DionysisX 3 years ago
P.S.: if you wanna see some real driving, just type "Lotus Elise racing" and select the first video or even better "ruf ctr ring" and check out the first 2 ones...
DionysisX 3 years ago
Wow...that was some of the worse "professional" driving I've seen!!That guy was truly over driving the Zr1. Actually, he did piss poor in all of the cars. What a shame, I really wanted to see a competition.
gregoryurbina 3 years ago 2
couldn't agree more with ya...that was pure boredom!!! that's called crusing not racing a car...and the way he snapps the steering wheel!!! it's a racing car not a truck!!! if you gould give it minus, I'd sure rate this video like that...totally unacceptable driving and I can't believe they actually posted it
DionysisX 3 years ago
Yeah, there is something fishy in this competition, at least driver of choice is wrong.
Maybe they should call Stig to the rescue ;)
jtbo 3 years ago
I just watch it again. Yeah, that's embarrassingly bad driving. It almost as if he is driving bad on purpose. It's possible they filmed him on a practice lap where he was just messing around feeling the car. I can believe that. There's no way this guy could be taken seriously driving like that.
BurnsRubber 3 years ago
why would you use chrome wheels on a race track you would use lightweight plastic
kryten619 3 years ago
And here's my proof. Jim Mero barely has to make any corrections.
watch?v=z16SPM0WKdc
That guy either has really cold tires, a crappy track, or he just really sucks.
natey14 3 years ago
Um I could be wrong but that driving looked absolutely awful. Jim Mero driving it around the ring was doing 70 mile an hour turns and not having to correct barely anything. o.O
natey14 3 years ago
That is really horrible driving on display. Jabbing the throttle and making abrupt violent steering corrections for no reason is amateurish at best.
BurnsRubber 3 years ago 2
BurnsRubber> Funny you say that because I'm the guy they have driving the car is pro-driver and 24 Hours of Daytona winner Didier Theys.
Evidently, there's something to be said for jabbing the throttle and making abrupt violent steering corrections.
pissedpookie 3 years ago
Wow. It's late and I didn't read my sentence.
Rather.... "Funny you say that because I'm sure the guy they have driving the car is pro-driver and 24 Hours of Daytona winner Didier Theys."
pissedpookie 3 years ago
I don't care if it was Michael Schumacher driving, that was horrible driving.
BurnsRubber 3 years ago
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I don't care if it was Michael Schumacher driving, that was horrible driving.
BurnsRubber 3 years ago
you have to handle the car as if its smooth as scotch
kryten619 3 years ago
wtf is wrong there? he doesnt really drive fast, and still has to make massive correction, and rarely even steps on the throttle. thats weird. how can that happen, with the zr1's special tires and such? must be shitty asphalt or something. anyway, it's a pain to watch. lol
stoneeh 3 years ago
wow, this thing is a fuckin' beast for sure.
I've seen the other test on GT2, 599, and GTR.
Even though his driving is not good, especially at 0:54 when he shifts, he still achieve fastest laptime among other. Damn!!! I hope it'll be top 3 on top gear test track
ransisua 3 years ago
Gosh ZR1 is slow
lonelylone2 3 years ago
have you checked other test on motortrend videos. They tested 599, GTR, and GT2. And ZR1 has the quickest lap time. How come you said it is slow?
ransisua 3 years ago
Cant really blame the driver
lonelylone2 3 years ago
Well, it should not be surpriseing that ZR1 is faster than R35. It is lighter, more powerfull, and is built for running fast.
tyapka 3 years ago 2
The GTR was designed to show it's real performance with the stability and traction control on while hard cornering with it's own "race mode", that's what Jeremy Clarkson did, and he got whiplash testing the GTR in corners. It looks like these guys tested it with both off altogether. Also it's not really designed for straight line performance, the "V-Spec" however, is going to be, it's going to be a much faster machine, although what maniac would want something like that?
quuaa1 3 years ago
The GTR has a launch control system so it was was designed with straight line performace in mind. The GTR spec V will still be heavier and under powered when compared to the ZR1. The GTR's 5th and 6th gear is pathetic it barely pulls at all at those gears. A four wheel drive system can never beat a fine tuned well balanced rear wheel drive system, thats still the best way to go.
redeemer777 3 years ago
You're right about AWD, they made it with the tranny in the rear, so they have a linkage spanning the full length of the car to connect to the tranny, and then another linkage altogether to reconnect with the front end? They at least have a switch to make work as RWD when you don't want 4x4. As for the 5th and 6th gears, I can't comment on that - have you driven it?
quuaa1 3 years ago
No sir i have not driven it, dont think that i am one sided on this. I think the GTR is a beast its just that the Corvette is too much and should be compared to the Spec v whenever that comes out. Living in Canada I would rather own a GTR because its can perform all year round. Oh yeah as for my comment on the 5th and 6th gear watch the "GTR top speed run" on this service youll know what i mean.
redeemer777 3 years ago
Yeah, for track cars the Corvette is amazing, but it's not exactly what I'd prefer for everyday driving, also I like the BMW M3 for the same reason, the I-Drive system should make it brainless to drive on ice, it even has a feature where every time you hit the button to spray windshield washer fluid and clean the windshield, it gives a heated blast of fluid to clean the front headlights. Finally, the Corvette has gotten to be less of a status symbol since it seems everyone has one.
quuaa1 3 years ago
Yeah the M3 is an awsome machine 8,400 RPM redline wow! That another well tuned rear wheel monster. Now that the M3 has DCT tranny it will really trash the RS4, S5, and C63 even worse that it did with its 6 speed stick.
redeemer777 3 years ago
The whole point of the GT-R was to create a car that would put all other supercars to shame, meaning producing better numbers at a fraction of the cost. The GTR is the best bang for the buck, of course until the ZR1 came out.
redeemer777 3 years ago 2
I've heard rumours that Nissan's looking to drop the price of the GTR from $90k to $55k, if that's the case, the GTR would still be the best bang for your buck, considering the ZR1 is almost $100k more.
quuaa1 3 years ago
634HP + 604+LB-TQ + stik shifter + circuit driving: have to keep rpms low/drive on a higher gear cuz if he tries to push it harder he would have to keep his right hand on the stick all the time which is not ideal. or maybe you´re right...unexperienced dood...
josedguez 3 years ago
Looks like he was scared or babying that thing short shifting FAG
gaming518 3 years ago
I think the driver sux cuz the editors of the magazine were driving....mayb they didnt hire a proffessional track driver
0utOfcheEEEz 3 years ago