Too Much Protein, Fat, May Lead to Insulin Resistance

[sk8champ01]

Hey what if you drink protein milk? mine is 27 grams protien. btw i use it for when i workout most of the time its good ;)

[richmanpoman1]

Just saturated fats are the dangerous ones. I know that good fats HDL fats-the good ones are good for you. Avocados-are one of the best.So SOME fats, are healthy for you. I am on a low fat/salt/sugar/carb diet, & am eating mostly veggies & mostly protein in the form of chicken, fish, whey powder, beans & eggs. The problem is when people stop one food (starches) & think they can have mega amounts of another (meat/cheeseAtkins) it usually only works for so long, but eating mostly veg's is best.

[NuclearNympho]

LOL 15 meat eating people don't like this video...LOL

[Thineeyebesingle]

Which amino acids was it?!

[DukeMedicine]

@Thineeyebesingle The abstract for the study has more details:

Metabolomic profiling of obese versus lean humans reveals a branched-chain amino acid (BCAA)-related metabolite signature that is suggestive of increased catabolism of BCAA and correlated with insulin resistance. To test its impact on metabolic homeostasis, we fed rats on high-fat (HF), HF with supplemented BCAA (HF/BCAA), or standard chow (SC) diets. You can find the rest of the abstract on Pubmed.

[KarinOll]

My question is, and that was not made clear in that clip: WHAT KIND OF FATS? What fat did they feed the rats? Some hydrogenated oils? Does their research/investigation speak of all groups of fat? I mean what about the healthy cold pressed oils, or the coconut oil for heated things? Should they also cause that? I doubt that.

[itzzmido]

too much protein may effect the kidneys  thats all

[LibertyJedi]

Truth is always hidden by lies and people like this do a very good job of hiding it- Duke is one of the collective why does he say fat, carbs, protein??? If there is Carbs in there? thought that was the purpose of the test..... It's like saying bankers are the biggest thieves.... this is true but everywhere u will see that people say it is not.

[Indygoguy]

@apocalist420 Neither fish nor poultry contain vitamin B12. One needs red meat in the diet. The animal fats and the protein from the connective tissues are wonderful for the hair and nail.

[Indygoguy]

@apocalist420 When the gut becomes "leaky" irreversible changes take place. The body develops an immune response to the vegetable proteins that enter the blood stream, such as gluten. Once the body is sensitized to such proteins it is permanent, like a vaccine. Then the body attacks the gut when ever those proteins are ingested. Then one develops IBS, Crohn's disease or other such ailments and the problem then becomes uncontrollable diarrhea as the body tries to flush out the offending protein.

[Indygoguy]

@apocalist420 The digestive system also requires quality protein on a daily basis to maintain itself. A diet devoid of animal protein and high in carbs and fiber will produce fermentation and this produces the worst toxins. The initial response of the gut is to withdraw water, because without water bacteria can not survive, so this leads to inflamation and constipation. Which vegans are plagued with. Then the inflamed colon develop into a "leaky gut"Then really bad problems start.

[Indygoguy]

@apocalist420 The facts are that nobody "thrives" on a vegan diet. They may get by for a few years but then the lack of protein and vitamin B12 take a heavy toll. The body can store B12, but those stores will not last beyond 5 years. People can appear to be well but the body is slowly failing. Without protein your body can not rebuild bones. Protein creates a lattice that holds and gives strength to the calcium. Without protein bones have no more strength than a piece of chalk.

[Shareefllovekdj]

Calm down all! All this means for low carbers is they should watch not just total carbs but also glycemic index rates and power though their plateaus with periods of zero carbs.

[tickyul]

@Shareefllovekdj I love low carb eating....but.....if I do the zero carb thing....well. let us just say my mood and energy levels are not so good.....even if my Ketone levels are high.

[rast123456789]

This study fails to mention the carbohydrates 

[tickyul]

@rast123456789 Yes, chronic high levels of insulin can over time make insulin receptor lose sensitivity.

[Indygoguy]

@apocalist420 They do not sustain societies very well. All societies that have a starch based diet are riddled with disease. Meat eaters thrive and are vibrant with health. A heavy starch and fiber diet will ruin your colon and you will end up with IBS or Crohn's disease or an auto immune disease or cancer or osteoporosis heavy starch diets make the body acidic) Protein is also used to hold the calcium in in your bones. Without the protein your bones would be no more than chalk.

[Indygoguy]

@apocalist420 No sir, the Ancient Egyptians were riddled with the same disease we have today. Diabetes, heart disease, cancer, malformed bones, osteoporosis, spinal disk deterioration etc.. Their mummies tell the story. The diet of the Egyptians was a heavy grain diet. It was a carb loaded diet. This diet ALWAYS produces the "diseases of civilization". Peoples that ate a meat diet always have good teeth and bones, no diabetes, no heart disease. they are strong with strong immune systems.

[Indygoguy]

What IS known is that "fructose" causes insulin resistance. All sodas and most packaged foods contain "high fructose corn syrup". Also, parents were fooled into giving babies bottled juice instead of bottled milk. TONS of fructose is ingested now before the age of two. There is no doubt that the high fructose levels in human diets are wreaking HAVOC on their bodies.

[Indygoguy]

Research can be manipulated any way the researchers want. The public needs to wake up to the fact that many of these university "researchers" are getting money from special interest groups. The fact is that No eskimo that ever ate the traditional eskimo diet EVER had insulin resistance. Dietary protein and fat do not cause insulin resistance.

[tickyul]

@apocalist420 Well, I think that for a lot of people a low fat diet drives them to sickness......or at least a sub-optimal state. When I tried the low fat diet I was literally hungry ALL of the time, to the point where I was drooling and my stomach was in pain........and I was eating 3000 calories a day. My skin looked like crap and I would fall asleep after a high carb meal. I think lower fat is fine, it is just how low that sticks in my craw, for me low is 40-50%.

[Indygoguy]

@tickyul Fat is the ideal fuel for the human body. The human body can generate all the glucose it needs by converting dietary protein to glucose. Humans do not need ANY carbohydrates in their diet. Without carbs in their diet their blood glucose remains at a constant level. With carbs there are wild swings in blood glucose. FAT is ESSENTIAL. A low fat diet is a slow death through bodily deterioration.

[tickyul]

@Indygoguy I agree with most of what you are saying....but...you have to take into account how people feel with certain diets. Some people, even ones who stick to low carb long enough to adapt....feel poorly.  My theory is that part of the problem is due to a new emerging science dealing with Cerebral Insulin Resistance and Type 3 diabetes. Damaged/insenitive Cerebral insulin receptors require high levels of insulin to transport needed glucose, that won't happen on a low carb diet.

[Indygoguy]

@tickyul Insulin resistance is affected by blood glucose levels. Fasting lowers it, as does exercise as well as low carb diets. It is correctable. Encouraging anyone to continue a diet that has produced insulin resistance just for the purpose of ameliorating the effects of that resistance is just idiotic. It is treating a symptom in a way that makes the problem continue to get worse instead of correcting the problem.

[tickyul]

@Indygoguy But, my point was you probably have some people who will not really feel good on a very low carb diet for quite a while due to insensitive/damaged insulin receptors. These people would probably need to eat higher levels of carbs at least for a while, maybe and extended period of time. Kinda like someone who has damaged Dopamine receptors in their brain from Meth us, they have to treat this condition with medication or they will be deeply depressed and possibly suicidal.

[ss4vegeta1]

My question is what types of fat sources were used?

[tickyul]

@apocalist420 I just think that macronutrient percentage of a diet has a lot to do with so many things, this is probably a huge factor in determining a lot of peoples health or lack of it. For instance, the foods used now to feed real little kids are so much different from what was traditionally used. Juice and oatmeal are supposed to be good for a little kid, mainly just sugar, that cannot be good. Kids used to be weaned on things like brains and mashed liver, liverwurst, much better.

[tickyul]

@apocalist420 I guess I am lucky, I love the taste of just about all meat, I love eggs scrambled with brains. I lurk at the Mcdougall website and find it both interesting and at times a little disturbing. I have read posts from people doing the Mcd plan, they are obviously struggling with problems from this diet or their kids are not growing good..............yet, they seem very reluctant to consider that their diet is not working for themselves or thier kids. If it works ok, if not admit it.

[Indygoguy]

@tickyul It's called brainwashing. It takes a real shock for a brainwashed person to "wake up". Unfortunately it will take the death of a child or spouse and even then they may not wake up. So what, it's called thinning the heard.

[tickyul]

@apocalist420 I am honestly not an ideologue, if it truly works for you...more power to you. I just have a hard time with so called "health experts" saying that one way of eating is going to work for almost everyone. I personally tried a low fat diet that was supposed to be healthy for most, I was eating little junk, yet, I truly felt very bad. I think there are also practical aspects to eating, people must enjoy food, cannot see many really sticking to something like Mcdougall for very long.

[Indygoguy]

@tickyul Low fat diets are bad for everyone. High fat and protein diets are good for everyone. The requirements of everyones bodies are the same.

[tickyul]

@apocalist420 Well, it is a fact that there is an explosion of diabetes in this country, do you think control is better with ADA guidlines recommending 50% of calories from carbs???? As people age, tolerance for carbs goes down, carbohydrate metabolism disorders are common. How is it that people follow the standard diabetes diet, yet......they can not get their blood sugars under control, with low carb you can see normal BS in weeks without that toxic diabetes medications.

[tickyul]

@apocalist420 Well, what works for some will not work for others, this much is obvious. I base my opinion on what works best for me, what I have read and what I observe. I am no expert, but, I have tried a lot of different ways of eating, I do poorly on a diet with lots of carbs, makes me more and more hungry and I feel sluggish. Man did not exist on an agrarian lifestyle until recently (8-10k years), evolved mainly on meat and vegetables. High carb is driving the explosion of type 2 diabetes.

[tickyul]

@apocalist420 Each person has a diet that is best for themselves. I just get the impression that the high carb/low fat diet is not working out for a lot of people. I for one know that I do very poorly on this type of diet, it drives my appetite and makes me want to eat more and more sweets. Many people with type 2 diabetes go on a low fat diet, yet.......they still cannot get their BS levels into the normal range unless they take toxic drugs. Strict low carb WILL give you normal BS.

[tickyul]

@apocalist420 I guess that the idea of making an "analogy" is lost on you, I did not mean to boil your brain. I stand by the point I made, if humans eat a high fat diet with very little carbs, in most cases it is not going to cause problems. Also, the biggest contributor to IR is fatty tissue, if you lose that IR will go down. Chimps eat a lot of fruit, but they also eat bugs and other small animals. Humans evolved from Cro-magnons and Neaderthals,...not monkeys.

[vivalaking]

like hell im listening to you, everyone in this video is a fatty.

[daffodyllady]

So, in other words, be careful to never overeat, because if you do, your necessary food will interact with itself and your stressed system, and God will punish you for your sin of gluttony.

How about some solid science on why people want to eat too much? In fact, the science has been done. It's carbs that drive overeating.

[daffodyllady]

correlation does not equal causation. If too much protein plus fat leads to Type 2 Diabetes, then why did the Innui of the Arctic develop no diabetes or heart disease until they began to eat the foods of the white people?

[madchild0709]

@daffodyllady chemicals are your answer?

[daffodyllady]

@madchild0709 The reason the Innui developed the diseases of modern society when they adopted our diet, is because their High-protein, High-fat diet they had followed before, was healthier than our diet! Therefore, protein and fat do not cause diabetes or heart disease. To understand insulin problems, we need to look at the actual metabolic processes of the liver and pancreas. Sugar contains glucose and fructose. Glucose hits the bloodstream FAST, requiring an outpouring of insulin QUICKLY...

[morganmay1]

Present day carbs are usually so refined that they are devoid of fiber and any nutrition; they are simply starch.

[MikeEnRegalia]

I wonder why the Inuit - when on their original diet of almost 100% fatty meat - don't develop insulin resistence, diabetes or obesity. And it doesn't seem to be in their genes either, since they get these conditions when they adopt a western grain based diet.

BTW: Most low-carb diets today advocate an *adequate* intake of protein. It's a common misunderstanding of low-carb to mean that you base your diet on protein.

[tickyul]

Well, cats are naturally insulin resistant, it is not a problem for them, unless they start eating carbs. The small amounts of insulin they need will still do its job despite the insulin resistance.

Same with humans who do high fat/low carb. Insulin resistance is transient and benign if avoiding carbs, there is enough insulin effect to do its job.

Yes, high fat/high carb is bad, but it is not even close to being the same as a ketogenic type diet.

[shaolincrest]

@tickyul It's a problem when a cat develope diabetes....And it's worst when you try to get them insulin. Poor little guys.

[tickyul]

@shaolincrest Yeah, when cats start getting fed crap that they were never meant to eat. But, cats are obligate carnivores that have no issues with their insulin resistance if they are not eating carbs, that is what I was trying to point out. Man can be the same way, eat a lot less carbs and IR will not be an issue. Ciao!

[Stonewalljackson7]

yeh, you know more than the researchers at Duke. Wait, what are your credentials and degrees again? The ancients didn't live long enough to get most diseases. plus they engaged in physical activity all day.

[Tra1n3rfromH3ll]

Interesting.

[MyAcupuncturist]

Reducing fat and protein in the patient's diet, works as a very effective treatment for insulin resistance. A whole, plant-based approach can render some forms of type 2 diabetes into remission. I am very happy to see researchers explaining the mechanism behind this treatment strategy.

[tickyul]

@MyAcupuncturist So does a low carb diet. The levels of insulin needed on a low carb diet goes way down because of the decreased carb intake.

[richmanpoman1]

@tickyul I tend to agree. I think that it is irresponsible of the medical industry not to tell people to eat low carb, but not to overdo the heavy proteins and fats. It would help if monsanto and big agra wouldn't be messing with our food though, that is a huge drawback, as buying organic can get costly, but buying local helps.

[petestrat07]

Your right.. in nature it would have been a bonus to get carbs as our bodies run more efficiently but we are genetically designed to eat protein and fat with the short lived seasonal fruits.

[Nudelsalatbomber]

without the part of the short lived seasonal fruit thing, i would´ve given you a thumbs down!

and this because for what i have learned, the human brain needs a minimum of 70gramms or carbohydrates/day!

[petestrat07]

Yes indeed. I've just proved that actually.I spent 14 weeks on a low carb <30g a day coupled with 30-40min cardio and resistance training per day to lose fat. It work fast! However I always felt hungry although I was eating a massive amounts of protein and salad/ veg with good fats and couldn't think straight. When I got my body fat under control I added carbs to my diet and immedietly became stonger in the gym and regained 100% brain function.Low carb solved my weight problem but we NEED carbs

[Nudelsalatbomber]

it works fast because if there isn´t any carbs at all, than our metabolism switched to fatburningmode!

i tried it more tha 2 years ago, but gave up after 4 days because of unbelievable strong headaches.probably migrane attack at it´s best.24 hours later and after adding regular amount of carbs everything went fine.

yeah, if we want to lift weights in the gym, 30gramm of carbs is just not enough to get stronger!there we really need some more of this fatal stuff!

[petestrat07]

The first four days are the hardest but I was determined to complete a full body tranformation. It gets easier after about 1 week and yes, I did get headaches but that goes away too. It depends on how much you want to achieve ur goal I guess.

[Nudelsalatbomber]

i know that they get away, but in the moment of maximum pain, it was almost impossible to think clear or not to think about carbohydrates.anyways.. have a good week.

[tickyul]

@Nudelsalatbomber Fully adapting to Ketones can take time, depending on the person, it can take up to 12 weeks...or that is what I have read.

[CriX098]

@tickyul What do you mean by Ketones?

[tickyul]

@CriX098 Ketones are byproducts of fatty acid metabolism in the liver and kidneys., they are a source of energy for the Brain and body.

[Rookie35m]

@Nudelsalatbomber No. It does not. It runs perfectly well on ketones