hm......all these video'sim seein seems like alot of atheists are more pissed off with the world then the christians o.o. Besides most of society doesn't actually follows the bible anyway. I feel itz just a basic guideline for whats wrong and whats right plus life is so much more interesting believing in god man... you dont get to live that long so why not spice it up a little.
Also just cause your not atheist doesn't mean your not independent =O
I'm not mad at all about your opinion. I would like to mention though that I feel it is really important to grasp the world as it truely is, not to exist in a stupor of lies. You can't claim something to be true just because you think it makes things more interesting.
i see wat ur saying vaatrad, but i also see how BigBates got that impression. I kinda got it too. but maybe thats just cause im christian myself and dont exactly agree with the add.... idk sometimes.
o btw. i am a christian, but i am very anti-manipulation by organized religion (like catholocism) so i dont believe everything in the bible. this is just because i think that certain things, overtime, get either mistranslated or changed by the heads of the organized religions. ie: i take the ot w
with a grain of salt. some things just dont add up or make sense to me in there and i believe that much of it being changed for reazons of bestowing fear is a perfectly good reasoning.
Problem with denying the existence of God; Everyone has his own definition. You'd probably agree with the pantheist, and disagree with the christian. Atheism is a meaningless word, a Buddhist is an Atheist but still Religious, for example.
Atheists deny the supernatural, that's it, it's not a meaningless word. Atheists would agree with a pantheist if the pantheist said "there is nature", but would disagree with the pantheist if the pantheist said "there is nature and it is sparkly and magic and has a personality". Buddhists aren't atheists by all definitions of the word.
Nope. While the word 'atheism' literally means "rejection or denial of god or gods" when translated from Greek it is typically used by atheists to cover a denial of all supernatural things. Buddhists don't believe in a personal god but they still believe in the supernatural. The word 'atheism' was born in societies which had personal gods but the definition needs expanding to cover denial of the supernatural elements of religions which don't have a personal god.
Atheism is a stance within a conversation about theism.
The word Atheism has meaning, but not the way the theist use it, like Theory = to guess!
Wrong!
If there were no theist, the word atheist would be gone also thus, Athism is only in the consersation of God and is not in fisical existance. God doen't exist! Atheism dosn't exist. The word illiterate would be better if theism was knowledge, however, theism is not literit knowledge. It is a faith! A Thoughtless dicision!
Maybe not. We can philosophise on it. Science and philosophy tell us that spirit is the preserve of humans and very possibly some higher animals and nothing else.
Maybe "observation" is not the word, itZ more like "a feeling" I have that a stemmed rose clutched in my handZ iZ "spirited" with LIVE beauty. Even the eyeZ of a doe recently shot dead & hanging upside-down in my fatherZ garage evokes (a dead) "spirit".
SPIRIT isnt faeries & SPAGHETTI MONSTERS, as atheists are fond of caricaturing -altho, who knows, the immensity of 200 billion galaxies may harbor a Spaghetti Monster or (2)
Yep, we can ascribe spirit to each other and be sure we both have it because we are both people. The existence of spirit in other things is only something we ascribe.
Atheists would relish the SECOND COMING so JESUS could be interviewed on LARRY KING LIVE
& that would clinch the deal & end the debate
once & for all
*TOM WOLFE re atheists
"They're saying there is no ghost in the machine, that it's all physical...And the endpoint of the argument is that there is no free will...We just need the information. That's a very depressing thought."
MOTHER'Z physical "proof" of Her BEING is simply found in NATURE. That's why we call Her "Mother Nature" I noticed many adZ submitted captured the eaZy beauty of HER
She is generous & loving to a fault with sun & rain & dirt & food & drink
But as far as HE goes there becomeZ a YIN YANG where His BEING is "generous" too, but in the realm of FURY
Volcanoes tsunamis earthquakes tornadoes hurricanes itZ a bitch
That is hilarious. You invent invisible beings to be the cause of natural events and then claim that the natural events are proof of the invisible beings. Which millenium are you in?
Nature is not emotional. There is no thought or intent behind the acts of nature. What do you think of the tsunami early warning system now installed around the pacific? Science is working to cage natures 'fury.' 'Mother nature' doesn't provide and care for us. Look at natural selection and intensive agriculture.
Sorry, nature is NOT unconscious, on the contrary, if anyoneZ unconscious it is posters who are either living in the past or future & NOT in the Present,
If U live in the past yer doing EGGactly that. Yer thoughtZ are not in the Present -how can U smell the flowers if yer thinking about that grudge U've been holding against someone for 13 yrs?
Maybe yer parentZ or a friend hurt U in sum way & U cant smell the flowerZ cuz yer mired in the PAST when theyre WRITE in front of U
U can be BOTH independent & USE GOD. Most Christians dont think that way. Now SERVING GOD why hell yes we need to SERVE GOD but surely not USE HER (?) Find HOW TO KNOW GOD in CONVERSATIONS WITH GOD An Uncommon Dialogue by Neale Donald Walsch: To know God To trust God To embrace God To love God To USE God To help God & To THANK GOD! THE SPAGHETTI KING google blogspot
I have a feeling you're not one who draws their spirituality from texts. There are many who do though. They cite the Bible as the source of their morals but when they disagree with any part of it they show they have an independent moral guide.
I don't target sterotypes, I target groups. The first ad targetted a very large group, all those who believe in an afterlife or reincarnation, while this one targetted a smaller group. It has always been my intent to find a potent message. Do you have any ideas for a message?
Vaatrad is on the right track - atheism is more of a trade off than an expense. Trade in your superstitions, gullibility, and irrational beliefs for common sense, logic, and TRUTH. It's a hell of a bargain, if you ask me. ;)
Jesus said: come to me all you who are weary and burdened and I will give you rest
markch9v23 2 years ago
@markch9v23
Motels have a similar motto.
GrandSupremeDaddyo 2 years ago
@GrandSupremeDaddyo Hahaha, lol.
JUANMO94 1 year ago
hm......all these video'sim seein seems like alot of atheists are more pissed off with the world then the christians o.o. Besides most of society doesn't actually follows the bible anyway. I feel itz just a basic guideline for whats wrong and whats right plus life is so much more interesting believing in god man... you dont get to live that long so why not spice it up a little.
Also just cause your not atheist doesn't mean your not independent =O
(dont get really pissy and mad about my opinion)
BigBates 2 years ago
I'm not mad at all about your opinion. I would like to mention though that I feel it is really important to grasp the world as it truely is, not to exist in a stupor of lies. You can't claim something to be true just because you think it makes things more interesting.
Vaatrad 2 years ago
i see wat ur saying vaatrad, but i also see how BigBates got that impression. I kinda got it too. but maybe thats just cause im christian myself and dont exactly agree with the add.... idk sometimes.
o btw. i am a christian, but i am very anti-manipulation by organized religion (like catholocism) so i dont believe everything in the bible. this is just because i think that certain things, overtime, get either mistranslated or changed by the heads of the organized religions. ie: i take the ot w
isackfj 2 years ago
pt.2 :
with a grain of salt. some things just dont add up or make sense to me in there and i believe that much of it being changed for reazons of bestowing fear is a perfectly good reasoning.
isackfj 2 years ago
Problem with denying the existence of God; Everyone has his own definition. You'd probably agree with the pantheist, and disagree with the christian. Atheism is a meaningless word, a Buddhist is an Atheist but still Religious, for example.
panentheist 4 years ago
Atheists deny the supernatural, that's it, it's not a meaningless word. Atheists would agree with a pantheist if the pantheist said "there is nature", but would disagree with the pantheist if the pantheist said "there is nature and it is sparkly and magic and has a personality". Buddhists aren't atheists by all definitions of the word.
Vaatrad 4 years ago
Ah, so you gave a totally new definition to the word 'Atheism'?
panentheist 4 years ago
Nope. While the word 'atheism' literally means "rejection or denial of god or gods" when translated from Greek it is typically used by atheists to cover a denial of all supernatural things. Buddhists don't believe in a personal god but they still believe in the supernatural. The word 'atheism' was born in societies which had personal gods but the definition needs expanding to cover denial of the supernatural elements of religions which don't have a personal god.
Vaatrad 4 years ago
Ok, but that's why i think it would be better to find a new word for 'atheism'. The dictionaries still hold on to that old definition.
panentheist 4 years ago
Atheism is a stance within a conversation about theism.
The word Atheism has meaning, but not the way the theist use it, like Theory = to guess!
Wrong!
If there were no theist, the word atheist would be gone also thus, Athism is only in the consersation of God and is not in fisical existance. God doen't exist! Atheism dosn't exist. The word illiterate would be better if theism was knowledge, however, theism is not literit knowledge. It is a faith! A Thoughtless dicision!
TABOOVSKNOWLEDGE 3 years ago
vaatrad
U know if U tell people U talk to yer house plantZ & beefsteak tomatoes U just planted theyll look at U crooked
There are dog & horse whisperers thatZ fascinating tho
I prefer a conversation with God (U can go just so far with tomato or horse) inspired by a book of the same title by Neale Donald Walsch sub-titled
An Uncommon Dialogue
yrpapa5 4 years ago
Are there transcripts of any conversations?
Vaatrad 4 years ago
Ha ha yer funny
"Recorded", NO but Walsch's trilogy is very very convincing & if he made it all up he'Z a genius cuz his cup is brimming over with pearls
I dont have bookZ handy to offer any quoteZ
yrpapa5 4 years ago
NEGOTIATION
Looking at Nature as being CONSCIOUS you suggested (facetiously) negotiating with Her for a cure for CANCER
HAGGLING over a good price with Nature (God) might be seen as PRAYER
Im pinned down by a huge boulder & have to cut my leg off I promise Her Ill build an orphanage if She getZ me out of this
LETZ MAKE A DEAL!
yrpapa5 4 years ago
If we could open up meaningful dialogue that would be good.
Vaatrad 4 years ago
WHAATZ?
meaningless about the comments so far on this board?
yrpapa5 4 years ago
Ah, I was taking about dialogue with nature, I didn't make that clear.
Vaatrad 4 years ago
SPIRIT
my friend & any eyeZ on this page:
scientistZ will NEVER be able to "bottle", dissect and or identify SPIRIT
TOM WOLFE: "the ghost in the machine"
THE SPAGHETTI KING blogspot
yrpapa5 4 years ago
Maybe not. We can philosophise on it. Science and philosophy tell us that spirit is the preserve of humans and very possibly some higher animals and nothing else.
Vaatrad 4 years ago
WELL
at the same time that U & I r "the same"
our difference liesin my observation/belief that
a canary yellow iris has as much of the
SAME "spirit" as a bird, monkey, dolphin or human.
There is ONE "spirit" that pervadeZ all creations in the Cosmos, that observation doesnt mean we cant get along or we cant LOVE each other. Why not?
yrpapa5 4 years ago
We can all get along. I think you very much have a belief that there is 'spirit' in everything rather than observation.
Vaatrad 4 years ago
VA-cuum
Maybe "observation" is not the word, itZ more like "a feeling" I have that a stemmed rose clutched in my handZ iZ "spirited" with LIVE beauty. Even the eyeZ of a doe recently shot dead & hanging upside-down in my fatherZ garage evokes (a dead) "spirit".
SPIRIT isnt faeries & SPAGHETTI MONSTERS, as atheists are fond of caricaturing -altho, who knows, the immensity of 200 billion galaxies may harbor a Spaghetti Monster or (2)
THE SPAGHETTI KING
yrpapa5 4 years ago
This 'spirit' is ascribed by people and their world view, it's all in the mind.
Vaatrad 4 years ago
Vaatrad
& what iZ the MIND, my friend? R'nt we having a "spirited" conversation?
yrpapa5 4 years ago
Yep, we can ascribe spirit to each other and be sure we both have it because we are both people. The existence of spirit in other things is only something we ascribe.
Vaatrad 4 years ago
OR SOMETHING WE FEEL
yrpapa5 4 years ago
Still, the object is not imbued with spirit, we might only think it is.
Vaatrad 4 years ago
THE ELECTRIC KOOL-AID ACID TEST*
Atheists would relish the SECOND COMING so JESUS could be interviewed on LARRY KING LIVE
& that would clinch the deal & end the debate
once & for all
*TOM WOLFE re atheists
"They're saying there is no ghost in the machine, that it's all physical...And the endpoint of the argument is that there is no free will...We just need the information. That's a very depressing thought."
*40th Anniversary ROLLING STONE
yrpapa5 4 years ago
These I don't get.
Vaatrad 4 years ago
MAMA MIA: you GOT them but U did'nt "get" them!
spaghetti blogspot
yrpapa5 4 years ago
Care to explain them?
Vaatrad 4 years ago
STEREOTYPES
MOTHER'Z physical "proof" of Her BEING is simply found in NATURE. That's why we call Her "Mother Nature" I noticed many adZ submitted captured the eaZy beauty of HER
She is generous & loving to a fault with sun & rain & dirt & food & drink
But as far as HE goes there becomeZ a YIN YANG where His BEING is "generous" too, but in the realm of FURY
Volcanoes tsunamis earthquakes tornadoes hurricanes itZ a bitch
a Dual GOD in NATURE iZ not proof enuf?
yrpapa5 4 years ago
That is hilarious. You invent invisible beings to be the cause of natural events and then claim that the natural events are proof of the invisible beings. Which millenium are you in?
Vaatrad 4 years ago
2007 May 28 8:30PM
Vaa, dont be BLIND
yrpapa5 4 years ago
Nature is not emotional. There is no thought or intent behind the acts of nature. What do you think of the tsunami early warning system now installed around the pacific? Science is working to cage natures 'fury.' 'Mother nature' doesn't provide and care for us. Look at natural selection and intensive agriculture.
Vaatrad 4 years ago
va va va!
Brother DONT be ungrateful! What do you FEEL on
THANKSGIVING DAY
should be everyday in sum familieZ it iZ
GRATITUDE iZ the fastest form of healing.
ACCEPTANCE OF WHAT IZ (What it iZ, What it iZ!)
FREEDOM FROM FEAR
FORGIVENESS as a deliberate conscious healing act
yrpapa5 4 years ago
I'm grateful people aren't trying to hurt me.
I accept that I need to work for a living because the world isn't going to keep me alive.
I am free from the fear that there is an insane deity that is trying to use the weather to kill me because it isn't happy with how I live.
I can't forgive nature for things going wrong because it isn't conscious but I can forgive people because they are only human.
Vaatrad 4 years ago
ERROR
this is not a judgement but an observation
the 1st error I see in your thinking is that God, IF She exists,chooses to punish & condemn us thru actZ of nature, AIDZ, famine, tornado etc
She'Z an unforgiving God, sometimeZ loving, but She can turn on U
ThatZ the OLD God
yrpapa5 4 years ago
ERROR too
Sorry, nature is NOT unconscious, on the contrary, if anyoneZ unconscious it is posters who are either living in the past or future & NOT in the Present,
the Now
yrpapa5 4 years ago
If nature is conscious then maybe we can negotiate for a cure for cancer or something. Also, what do you mean by living in the past or future?
Vaatrad 4 years ago
PAST & FUTURE
tenses & tension
If U live in the past yer doing EGGactly that. Yer thoughtZ are not in the Present -how can U smell the flowers if yer thinking about that grudge U've been holding against someone for 13 yrs?
Maybe yer parentZ or a friend hurt U in sum way & U cant smell the flowerZ cuz yer mired in the PAST when theyre WRITE in front of U
yrpapa5 4 years ago
I can and do enjoy the smell of flowers without thinking they are thinking.
Vaatrad 4 years ago
MY SIGN?
Glad U brought it UP cuz I just finished bout with CANCER
bout is not right word cuz when I was first diagnosed I thought Im not going to FIGHT cancer
My ending is happy Im in remission but my approach was FIRST not to FEAR CANCER my sister wuz calling it THE C WORD she was so afraid
SECONDLY I EMBRACED CANCER I ACCEPTED WHAT IZ
What U resist persistZ
THIRDLY I FORGAVE myself & The Other
Forgiveness is a deliberate conscious act that has great healing power
yrpapa5 4 years ago
yrpapa5 4 years ago
VAAT? I liked yer other submission better, Yer flat assertionZ here are (1) FALSE & (2) unconvincing
Im a Theist but I dont NEED the Bible or any other sacred text & dont believe all of whatZ been written. That doesnt impair my belief in anyway
keep trying to make yer point but dont fall into trap of proselytizing
THE SPAGHETTI KING blogspot
yrpapa5 4 years ago
I have a feeling you're not one who draws their spirituality from texts. There are many who do though. They cite the Bible as the source of their morals but when they disagree with any part of it they show they have an independent moral guide.
Vaatrad 4 years ago
vaatrad
I think when your creating these "adZ" or messages U must have a particular person, believer or Theist in mind, i.e. a STEROTYPE, no?
Why not create a message that has a UNIVERSAL appeal that speakZ to every ONE in cyberspace & U just might stumble upon a potent message
yrpapa5 4 years ago
I don't target sterotypes, I target groups. The first ad targetted a very large group, all those who believe in an afterlife or reincarnation, while this one targetted a smaller group. It has always been my intent to find a potent message. Do you have any ideas for a message?
Vaatrad 4 years ago
vaatrad
the way the world warZ are going the word "target" somehow leaves a bitter taste
VAAT? "Do U have any ideas for a message."
My friend, my brother, LISTEN
all these commentZ Im now posting are the messages
and/or ideaZ for message
Capeesh
yrpapa5 4 years ago
VAA
forgot to stop, listen & thank U for the PLEAZING soundtrack
spaghetti
yrpapa5 4 years ago
I like your symbol a lot - but make it blue or purple instead - just my atheistic preference for avoiding the "evil" color red ;‹ )
Elaina43 4 years ago
Thanks. I'll take that into consideration. I'm probably going to be making at least one more entry so I might try a different colour then.
Vaatrad 4 years ago
sold! how much does it cost, this atheism stuff? (already sold my soul, hope you take cash) can i get it at walmart?
elizabethchristian 4 years ago
You can trade in your old beliefs to get $5 off the price of athiesm.*
*Terms and conditions apply.
Vaatrad 4 years ago
Vaatrad is on the right track - atheism is more of a trade off than an expense. Trade in your superstitions, gullibility, and irrational beliefs for common sense, logic, and TRUTH. It's a hell of a bargain, if you ask me. ;)
siciliano29 4 years ago
We were kinda joking, but I ges I can see your point.
Vaatrad 4 years ago
CALABRESE
& the $64,000 TRUTH iZ? The athiests are willing to "wait it out" with scientific truth
the closer to PHYSICAL evidence the better
They want believers to SHOW them thier GOD
"Give us proof" PHYSICAL proof that He/She existZ
MOTHER'Z physical proof is in NATURE
yrpapa5 4 years ago